Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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@palmasailor @Sentient Perhaps it’s a pond thing but I never have any clue what HABD means by half the things he says so I’m Probably not getting what he’s saying at all. you probably understand just fine… there are some little nuances that i assume @Sentient knows… see below… but mostly it’s not that hard… and you seem to ‘get it’ just fine… and props! for that… bc it might not seem like it to you, but i can tell by your commenting that you’ve actually absorbed some of the more critical RP theory that you didn’t seem to have… Read more »

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“It’s a bit oneitisey but I think @Sentient has a bit of a thing for this one”

it’s not. Sentient just wants to satisfy his ego of finally banging (and it looks as if it’ll be a one time thing as her schedule doesn’t seem conducive for a long term Fuckbuddy thing) this seemingly “hard to get” 40 year old lol….

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Palma “Wondering if the interaction was a bit dry, not much teasing?” On this. Yeah it was dry, but it was intentional on my part. When I saw the kids I knew this was not going anywhere and I didn’t want to engage in that situation. So when she held her distance 10 feet away I was just into “shrug off” mode, basic social stuff. This was also the firs time seeing her since the text a month back, so just wanted to be chill and not outcome dependent at all. Just “I see you, and I see what you… Read more »

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Game is about being the chooser not the chosen. If you can’t exercise your will, it’s not very good is it?

I encourage you to try and get what you want, not just what the field offers up.

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“Game is about being the chooser not the chosen”.

how’s that working out for you?

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“how’s that working out for you?”

This probably sounded better in your head, didn’t it?

It’s working just fine, this is the chronicle.

Try it – go out – pick one girl [before she sees you] and proceed to conclusion…

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@Sentient On this. Yeah it was dry, but it was intentional on my part. When I saw the kids I knew this was not going anywhere and I didn’t want to engage in that situation. So when she held her distance 10 feet away I was just into “shrug off” mode, basic social stuff. This was also the firs time seeing her since the text a month back, so just wanted to be chill and not outcome dependent at all. Just “I see you, and I see what you got here” and move on to the next time. how was… Read more »

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“how was your EC/lasering?… subcomms count, yo!”

Ha. They were good. Relaxed, slight smirk, eye contact etc. Head nod on the way out, after she said bye..

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@Sentient The extent of my text game to Friday night girl. I’d just mentioned I’d finished my latest air bnb fit out. Beta buxy I know but she has her own money anyway so it doesn’t matter. https://imgur.com/a/1IFoTR5 She hasn’t discussed the baby daddy because “it’s complicated” or she is concealing she’s bored shitless. I’ll need to read the original field reports again. If you’re up against a poindexter you should be able to smash it with alpha / alpha bux game, if you’re up against a dark triad alpha bad boy it’ll be a challenge. Though my experience from… Read more »

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** more likely she’s unconsciously sizing you up for a branch swing.

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“her schedule doesn’t seem conducive for a long term Fuckbuddy thing”

You’ll be amazed what they can do with their schedules if they want.

The sisterhood Uber allows will look after the kids and conceal it from the husband / boyfriend, and in the case of one of my exes a long term male orbiter would look after her kids for the weekend while I was banging her abroad.

He was banging one out over the contents of her knicker drawer of course.

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I poked my head in here as a preface to hashing some things out with you guys and find the whole thing with Sentient’s single mom rather interesting. No matter what tactic you take or what you’re looking for there you have to work it around her not having the kids unless you’re going to go the beta bucks route of a full on date. I suspect her schedule would clear up real fast for a “proper” night out. I also read only this page (119 in my browser) and found interesting from Palma about the direct approach being a… Read more »

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Just remember that “direct as a DLV” is just in regard to your intentions, not approach, talking, opening her up. So go talk to those girls walking around, just don’t tell them they are hot and you want to bang them, right off…

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“** more likely she’s unconsciously sizing you up for a branch swing.”

I’d have expected her to ask about the wedding ring by now if that was the case.

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“I’d have expected her to ask about the wedding ring by now if that was the case.”

Not sure they regard that as an obstacle if they’re hot enough and used to getting what they want.

Whats his name ? Bozos or something?

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@Sentient

Bottom line you need more proximity to give you the opportunity to DHV.

Preferably with pre selection on your arm.

Engineer that and do it right and she’ll fall in.

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@Rudolph

You need proximity- just ask the silver fox.

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just don’t tell them they are hot and you want to bang them, right off… Nice. My game isn’t that big of a disaster. It needs some work. I need some work. I have a pretty good grasp of what not to do. Just need much more in regards to avoiding automatic disqualification/getting beta bucks tracked. But that is again a population issue and times issue. For example. I have an acquaintance at my weekend gig. She’s 38-42-ish by looks and an eight-year old. Still slender but she’s not all that attractive. Not ugly by any means but 6.5 for… Read more »

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@Rudolph

If your about my age 51, a bit of bux isn’t bad because otherwise you’re a loser.

And losers aren’t really fuckable.

Explain the “seething resentment” .. pro tip … why does she even care?

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Palmasailor @Rudolph You need proximity- just ask the silver fox. Yeah. The timing is tricky. They come from the building to the garage without using the crosswalk at the corner. So I don’t get in ear shot enough. And there is the entire hurry to get home from work thing after darting across traffic. Weird distances and not enough consistency with seeing the likely candidates. There are few ways to play it that aren’t thirsty no matter how casual you are because you pass too quickly or too far away. The idea I have is to maybe peacock a bit… Read more »

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Palmasailor @Rudolph If your about my age 51, a bit of bux isn’t bad because otherwise you’re a loser. And losers aren’t really fuckable. Explain the “seething resentment” .. pro tip … why does she even care? No idea. It is just a straight up active bitch face and shitty attitude/barely polite towards me. I’ve gotten it from the jump. It’s cooled down a bit. I’d get it if she were movie star good looking but I don’t know where it’s coming from. The only move I’ve made is my standard charming smile. I haven’t bothered trying to get to… Read more »

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@Rudolph Yeah. The timing is tricky. They come from the building to the garage without using the crosswalk at the corner. So I don’t get in ear shot enough. And there is the entire hurry to get home from work thing after darting across traffic. Weird distances and not enough consistency with seeing the likely candidates. There are few ways to play it that aren’t thirsty no matter how casual you are because you pass too quickly or too far away. The idea I have is to maybe peacock a bit about the pedestrian plaza nearby for lunch. There is… Read more »

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why would you think ‘setting up’ in/around a parking garage (ie stalker central…lol) is a good idea?… serious question… haven’t you ever seen ANY low budget horror movies?…lol

I am not “setting up” there. I park there. I am on my way to my car in a similar space of time every day. I see girls who work similar schedules to me with regularity. A couple of them are cute. But the timing doesn’t work out in as you note any sort of non-thirsty non-creepy way. But that is more or less the day game pool.

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@Rudolph

“No idea. It is just a straight up active bitch face and shitty attitude/barely polite towards me.”

Well you’re threatening her somehow – she incompetent and you’re gonna bust her gig?

Forget the garage. Find another target rich environment where you hold the frame / logistics..

Local jazz club?

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@Rudolph Interesting comparison There is a barmaid in my local pub, over 40 – physically would bang, but shes not nice. She’s banging loser asshole/bad bay about my age who hangs out in bar from time to time. We have no previous and yes she’s got a resentment and usually frosty. Ps: orders food She: delivers food and asks “would you like any sauces with that?” Ps: what sauces have you got? She: “everything you can think of but it really isn’t a good use of my time to go through them one by one – they’re on that shelf… Read more »

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Waitress “everything you can think of but it really isn’t a good use of my time to go through them one by one – they’re on that shelf… Read more »”

PS; I am sorry to hear that you are a short timer. How long did the doctor give you to live?

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@palma Yep about like that. I don’t threaten her gig at all. The only reason I’m not lowest of the low is I’ve been doing the job for going on twenty years. I don’t have any authority when it comes down to it other than just being there all the time and knowing what’s going on. I’m good at the job and it’s got some things that aren’t easy to do. I have to make six year old kids cry sometimes. And I work practically every weekend. The organization has several facilities and she doesn’t work in mine. Employees get… Read more »

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@Sentient I’m gonna call this girl a high value mark (don’t shoot me) in the sense that you’ve decided you want to hit it cold, and it’s valuable to you that you achieve this as a game test. At this stage in the game I’m not sure there’s a right or wrong approach. Memories of knocking on my new neighbours door at 10pm about 5 years ago, having only previously waved at her through the window spring to mind. I kissed her and walked her upstairs to bed so anything can be done if you handle it right and see… Read more »

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@Sentient palmasailor @Sentient I’m gonna call this girl a high value mark (don’t shoot me) in the sense that you’ve decided you want to hit it cold, and it’s valuable to you that you achieve this as a game test. At this stage in the game I’m not sure there’s a right or wrong approach. Memories of knocking on my new neighbours door at 10pm about 5 years ago, having only previously waved at her through the window spring to mind. I kissed her and walked her upstairs to bed so anything can be done if you handle it right… Read more »

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Good observations. One of the reasons I’ve not delved deeply into the details of her situation is because it does seem like a constant trainwreck – she works crazy and unpredictable hours – often from 12-8AM, is often between two different residences, has her own kids, babysits others. Lot’s of potential drama.

But I do need to probe a bit more.

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@Sentient Palma/HABD Good observations. One of the reasons I’ve not delved deeply into the details of her situation is because it does seem like a constant trainwreck – she works crazy and unpredictable hours – often from 12-8AM, is often between two different residences, has her own kids, babysits others. Lot’s of potential drama. all i see is the potential for really wild crazy s*x…lol plus a GREAT opportunity to work your game chops…lol But I do need to probe a bit more. yes… yes you do… lol… plus… if she babysits other kids, then someone else also babysits her… Read more »

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@ Sentient / HABD One of the reasons I’ve got a bee in my bonnet about (not) texting is because if you’ve got all your teeth and are single at 51 AND you are in an environment with a lot of women, then you get a lot of attention from nice age appropriate women, and ones a lot older, all of whom wear sensible shoes and go on brisk country walks at the weekend. Did I mention they were sensible? They’re at an age and condition where they have no options with men. Even the other men in the group… Read more »

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^^ yes. The sex will be brilliant ..

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@HABD @Sentient @Palma by the numbers… By the numbers, we shouldn’t be skipping an important step (which @Palma’s intuition is trying to signal). Yes, all this should be coming from your own MPoO. Yes, you should know her logistics. And you should not ignore the IOD DHV IOI loop either. You can send the “come join me” text, but it won’t be correlated with her emotional state. This is a compliance test which you put forward without knowing her state of mind. Statistically it works because one of your leads happens to be up for something and maybe is still… Read more »

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@ IRL

“a pic of an animal with the thing photoshopped in for fun and giggles”

Yep that’s “birthday cat” hamster reset game.

Ref Heartiste. Sentient will know that anyway but it does open cold leads and spike interest in cold ones.

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@Palma

Check this out, good primer for ping texting:

https://krauserpua.com/2016/08/25/how-to-ping-a-lead/

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Yeah you’re right. Still feel this is a bit too outside for trying over text. Will wait for the next face to face and see where that can go.

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@ Sentient

You covered it: “trying”

Shouldn’t be doing that.

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Ref texting, I’m not doing it anymore unless I have hit the girl hard in real life.

This is friday night girl

https://imgur.com/a/JLhfpRi

I wrote one text, she wrote six.

I did send a short voicemail as well. So thats 2/6 or the 1/3 rule.

On the last one she addressed the child free time issue because I didn’t address her small talk.

I won’t reply til tomorrow morning and it will be 2 lines most, no punctuation

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😬sorry 2/4. Oops

Rule busted.. cue blue balls

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@IRL @HABD @Sentient @Palma by the numbers… By the numbers, we shouldn’t be skipping an important step (which @Palma’s intuition is trying to signal). Yes, all this should be coming from your own MPoO. Yes, you should know her logistics. And you should not ignore the IOD DHV IOI loop either. You can send the “come join me” text, but it won’t be correlated with her emotional state. This is a compliance test which you put forward without knowing her state of mind. Statistically it works because one of your leads happens to be up for something and maybe is… Read more »

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@Sentient
Still feel this is a bit too outside for trying over text.

Too outside? Care to elaborate?

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Ref texting

Texting is just a tool. What matters is the process and your understanding where you are. As such, it’s secondary if you eliminate texting completely, use it to quickly get a girl out at the right time or play a bit to warm up your old lead.

@HABD
your pedantic thoroughness

Mine? Haha, I like that!

plausible deniability to meet

Good pointer, I approve. +1

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@IRL: “too outside” I interpreted as “outside chance”, i.e. low odds.

Enjoying the analysis by everyone, thanks.

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@IAS
@IRL: “too outside” I interpreted as “outside chance”, i.e. low odds.

I’m interested in the intuition behind it.

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IRL Re “too outside” I mean as a mode of communication at this point it will be ineffective. I’ve seen her about six times total over two years, with long gaps in between. So like a six months between 15-20 minute in person meets. All of them random and with bad logistics. This last gap 29 days. She still doesn’t even know my name as far as I can tell. So while the in person has been good in situ there is not enough connection to carry that vibe through in between. I could “start over” via text, basically follow… Read more »

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@Sentient – DT girl – the movie – I’ve found 3 field reports, was there a 4th where she lost her shit a bit? Rollo – Have you done any posts on the “dick twitch”? It’s a really fascinating phenomenon. One I’ve come across yet again today. Some women, have this “allure”… that just immediately goes past your brain completely and right to your ballz and zaps them… It’s interesting because there is no thought or “wow she’s hot” mental impulses.. just a primal feeling. Different from involuntary heads snaps as a hot woman goes by catching your eye. Yeah… Read more »

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Thanks Palma. I’ll keep that in mind. There were a couple of others, nothing here she “lost her shit”, pretty similar to these.

We will see. If I see her this week or next , I’m going to push things more and see what happens.

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(@Rollo, comment stuck in mod…. whitelisting would be cool)

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Racist! Shut it down…!!!

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Ok one more time, at least the main bit: @Sentient Make sense? Thoughts? I agree with your approach. In person is more solid and you’ll run it on autopilot. This here though… I don’t think it will translate well though without more recent in person references. …is not necessarily correct. If it was 100% true, you wouldn’t see instances of guys turning cold leads around and blowing up long fuses via text. It’s just less predictable (there are patterns, but nothing granted). Try a “my world” text like this (from a bar, actually doing this): (you could capture some more… Read more »

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Or go bolder and send these lol:

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(@Palma, they closed the place, oh well)

FR challenge: caption the pics.

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Field report with returning plate last night So I thought I’d smashed Japanese plate. I thought I’d blown it by doing “boyfriend like activities” with her. Specifically, I wanted to go out for dinner one night so I took her. It appeared to go downhill from there which meant no more delivering herself for sex, but lots of requests to “go out”.. I stopped texting her and hit on other women. That was about 8 weeks ago. Anyway thought I’d ping a text “hey how you doing” yesterday at 8AM She replied within 1 minute asking if it was me… Read more »

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Men, Long time reader, first time poster.... Oneitis issue.... A bit about me, I have been red pilled for a VERY LONG TIME, same way everyone else does, got screwed over in the divorce machine, no kids thank goodness. I have the six sixes, wealth, in shape, good circle of friends, hobbies, arts, etc... I have slept with over 150 women in my life (I'm in my late 30s). I am 90% against marriage unless it benefited my own hypergamy, not against monogamy, on the birth control end I have a vasectomy, so even if not wearing condoms my chances… Read more »

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uhhh, sorry bonus question, how do I erase my email in the comment above!

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@Oops: Rollo himself can sort the issue above, and he has in the past so it is pretty certain that he will remove the info. However depending on when he reads this and notices it may take a bit. Maybe try e-mailing him (check the about page, I think he has his contact there). Meanwhile, if you stay non-exclusive I think you will stay quite safe from actual, crippling One-itis. Beyond that, there are guys here in monogamous relations (marriages included) and even those who (at least apparently) aren’t getting extra on the side, aren’t afflicted by One-itis. You are… Read more »

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“Until I went for it, I really believed it was a waste of time, ”

Going for it arouses them. Bit you have to go all in, no half measures.

Btw – your dinner protocol is very similar to The Thin Man’s over at sedfast, he does roast chicken, and my old standard omellet aux fin herbs. DHV is DHV.

Nice

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You don’t need permission to do what you want to do. So do it and enjoy. If things change with hrr and you move on so be it. Move on.

No worries.

Enjoy!

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@Sentient

I’ve been discussing this and I think that you need to demonstrate some element of skill over and above knocking up some slop.

Plus I think it’s important that the cooking becomes the priority over the woman because I think that changes the dynamic.

Making mayonnaise from scratch or pizza where you make your own dough etc.. you can make a pizza including dough and get it on the table faster than one can be delivered if you’ve got your shit together.

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@Palma: it is clear that under MM viewpoint, cooking is to act as a DHV.

That will depend a bit on the “target”, but clearly competence will be a good idea.

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@IAS

Yes, but you have to cook, not remove foil lid, place in microwave and ping for 90 seconds until piping hot….

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@Braveheart

This is actually a tough scenario because you’ve figured it out. Even if she says she doesn’t want kids, it’s a good chance that she does.

The play here is to enjoy as much of the moment as you can.

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Palma

Sure. It’s not about eating or calories. It’s about creating a world and inviting her into it.

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