Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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@ Softek Thanks for your reply and further thoughts which are expressed very well. At the risk of trying to verbalise what Frame feels like to me, simply put: it is the natural, authentic expression of who I am. 😊 I am naturally a social, gregarious and outgoing person who is interested in other people. I barely recognised myself at the end of my time with Babushka… I was withdrawn, uncertain, and somewhat anti-social… I had compromised and adapted to reflect HER character traits (she was typical BPD introvert: no women friends, only a gay best friend (token woman friend)… Read more »

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A general understanding of how the language works is best. Over-analyzing never leads to anything productive. One problem with PUA is it has a tendency to pedestalize guys who have legendary levels of Game, to the point where Game looks like something extremely unnatural and complicated, like learning how to play one of Paganini’s Caprices on violin. And then most guys just give up figuring it’s only the top 1%, the uber elite, that can ever hope to develop such skills. It seems freakish, unnatural, unattainable, and extremely complicated. Not good. And not an accurate picture of the reality of… Read more »

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$oftek

Great post…

“But you can communicate a lot without being fluent.”

This…

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Haven’t posted here for a while but reading the comments thought this was worth sharing. I’m reading a lot of comments which I think are mostly trolls but definitely older dudes debunking game or suggesting that some form of payment or exhange is needed to meet younger higher girls. Recently I met a hot slim young girl probably 23/24. At dance party. I initiated game by first negging her and teasing her. Of course every other young boy was clamouring for attention. I ran into her again a few weeks later and she was immediately picking up where we left… Read more »

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@Walawala

“The bitch shield drops and the rest of our time is just bantering with he clear subtext that this is about banging at some point”

At some point? Interaction looked good for a SNL from my end. Bad logistics?

“I suggested meeting up again she was going away so I left it”

Or you purposely not going for the close in order to close em’ after 3 meetups?

https://www.girlschase.com/content/girls-who-want-sleep-you-usually-know-it-right-away

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@j Palma. The logistics were horrible on this…she works late nights and was going on holiday this week.

Definitely not a sdl situation and high done this enough you learn to read the signs.

The point of the post wasn’t a field report it was to wake dudes who are older up to the fact that game is real.

Anyway…get back to those keyboards boys there’s posts that need trolling!

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@Palma This is exactly why I posted this story. This is a girl who is otherwise quite guarded but very open. Imagine being 24 and surrounded by…betas and boys all clamouring for your attention. Suddenly a guy who’s older and who you’re not supposed to be with makes a bold move and asks you out, blows past your shit-tests and then when asked “What would you have done if I said no?” says: “Then you wouldn’t be sitting here..” I think a lot of guys are settling or selling themselves short by not understanding game and the reasons for her… Read more »

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Good stuff Wala…

Yeah Game is lost. Last few weeks at Le Chateau the comments were all game deniers. Easily debunked, never persuaded.

Between the Lookism retards, the beard boys, the just lifters, the Lambo crowd and just straight fags… It’s over.

More for us. 😎👙

Maybe one day West Indian Archie will get his Magnum Opus together…

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For those game aficionados – in the Hemingway sense – this promises to be a good discussion series.

http://www.westindianarchie.com/technical-game-bible-review-pt-1-of-3/

Archie is the best.

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Definitive historical overview of the development of Game here

http://www.westindianarchie.com/state-of-the-community/

I wish he would finish that book…

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@Sentient

Good stuff

“Young Guys that are doing old school structured game”

Tell Archie he left out the top group from that list:

Ultimate Man Project

Youtube page is pretty empty (they also have a book coming out soon), but they’ve uploaded several hour+ long Q&As on their Facebook group not on Youtube.

And there’s also NYC based LuxLife

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The end of pua game will come at the hands of the ” sleep with her on the first night “. It’s like thinking that playing guitar is only about 30 seconds of shredding. An overwhelming majority of guys trying to learn and understand Game will fail miserably at that tactic, when they could actually be better served by learning how to game women anywhere at any time, and in the process have as much sex as they want under their own terms, while having women willing to crawl over broken glass to be around them genuinely. No/very little pretense.… Read more »

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Croatia?

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Lol, Brooklyn ain’t what it used to be. 😂 Kansas has moved in.

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“An overwhelming majority of guys trying to learn and understand Game will fail miserably at that tactic, when they could actually be better served by learning how to game women anywhere at any time” “Idk about teaching younger men to adopt a ” cad ” attitude ( cadditude). Imo that’s not game” No shit. But attitude/swagger is part of it (inner game to be exact) “pua game is a little like a guy saying ” dude, I went to burger king and got a whopper the very first time!! And I made them hold the cheese!!! “” ………… this is… Read more »

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😂

Most men will NEVER have swagger, internal or external. And swagger varies from region to region. It’s not a requirement.

Burger king baby!!! That shit was accurate.

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“Most men will NEVER have swagger, internal or external”.

that’s a real shame.

“Burger king baby!!! That shit was accurate”.
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@Sentient HABD You know “Timewaster” is somewhat tongue in cheek. right back at ya…lol… It is interesting though because I’ve had half a dozen of these types act like this and they all have one thing in common, been divorced. hypergamy + willingness to act on it = DTF… lol… just gotta ping that hypergamy… plus avoid ANY potential for a ‘branch swing’…lol… = AF stud vibe only… Of course other divorced ones worked out so that’s not an efficient screen. But is a common factor. Some other data points… “where was the first place you had ‘isolation in a… Read more »

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@Rc I noticed commenter Liz made mention of Athol Kay’s new book on the 21Con thread. And I had recommended reading chapter 4 of BPP’s book. And I know you were having issues with getting books on tablets and computers shared with your wife. And a quick google search reveals an AskMRP reddit thread was asking about the new book. (And it was thought to be redundant to his and BPP’s distillation of his former work.) And BPP posted this, a synopsis of the tactics in his ch. 4: https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/3qplxm/the_husbands_dilemma_when_to_withhold_affection/ In the context of the 12 stages/steps of dread: https://archive.is/3dR2h… Read more »

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Whopper metaphor = Game should be just like going out and getting something you want without thinking about it. And you enjoy it and move on without thinking about it. Think of how you feel when you go grocery shopping. You just go naturally without thinking and get what you want without placing any particular importance on anything and then go about your day afterwards. By making a big deal out of it, it makes it seem unnatural, like someone making a really big deal about ordering a hamburger and thinking it was supremely Alpha to ask them to hold… Read more »

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@j @HABD Your breakdown has me thinking tho. If there even is such a thing as a ‘timewaster’ or does it always just come down to mediocre game/missing windows? interesting. if she is out ALONE… at a bar… and the kids/husband are gone… (and now that i re-read the situ… even her ‘ubering’ in to town is an indicator bc she doesn’t have to deal with a car… and is free to ‘follow her feelz’…lol)… = her hindbrain is trying to get her laid…lol… she might even consciously ‘think’ she is only going out for some ‘validation’… but ‘attraction/arousal’ is… Read more »

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@ HABD

thanks for sharing that breakdown, very thorough and insightful

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@softy “By making a big deal out of it, it makes it seem unnatural, like someone making a really big deal about ordering a hamburger and thinking it was supremely Alpha to ask them to hold the cheese — and they listened! Like it’s a big conquest or something”. I get your thinking. But its a bad apology. because EVERYONE (a 10 year old boy, a 75 years old man, a paraplegics, hell even a woman! lol) can do that. See Burger King. Wait in line. Order your 2 for $6 combo. Pay. Done. NOT everyone can fuck hot 21… Read more »

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Tinder = No game, hoping to get lucky in her frame.

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Softek You know my history. I didn’t even know there was a thing called pua until I was already 50+. I always believed that game was a way to have the women you want, wherever you find then, without limitations. Sure, I grew up with guys that held their nuts until they could go ” out ” and pull a snl, but it left them kinda…vulnerable in a way. Better to wake up, decide ” I would like some hot sex with a fine gal “, and to out and make that happen, regardless of the time of day, or… Read more »

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“Tinder = No game, hoping to get lucky in her frame”.

lol yup. Go through this slideshow for lolz

https://www.playingfire.com/hot-18-year-old-tinder-lr-ridiculous-persistence/

and this from an online game “expert”

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Sentient Yeah Game is lost. Last few weeks at Le Chateau the comments were all game deniers. Easily debunked, never persuaded. Comments at that site were pretty much worthless 2 or more years ago. Between the Lookism retards, the beard boys, the just lifters, the Lambo crowd and just straight fags… It’s over. Yeah, Lookism really reminds me of the Calhoun Mouse Utopia experiment: towards the end, some male mice just groomed themselves constantly, never mating, he referred to them as “The Beautiful Ones”. Extreme Lookism here: https://www.thecut.com/2019/05/incel-plastic-surgery.html Yeah, this guy has a lot more issues than looks – it… Read more »

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J Begging motherfuckers make me 😠. Unless…he was banging other chicks the entire time he was tindering this broad. That exchange was painful. Wyd? Dtf? Dhurrr…. Honestly, it I had to depend on apps and shit, I’d just do a Roosh and become religiously anti fornication. I’ve only ever pulled 2 chicks off the net ( not an app ) just to see what it was like, but even then I wasn’t going to be endlessly typing some chick asking to fuck. Her : I can’t. I’m babysitting. Me: ( radio silence) Her: hello? Hello? Blocked. Done. I’ve waited months… Read more »

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@sjf,

thanks a lot! Indeed, I found that link about stage 4 dread right yesterday, while scoping out mrp for more, and was wondering if that is what you had in mind. I went back to read the reconstructions essays, and the post on mental point of origin. I have a little experiment going on about that concept – if I get enough action out of it, I’ll report back.

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J lol yup. Go through this slideshow for lolz and this from an online game “expert” Lolz. Bob Guccione called on the Ouija board, he’s peeved that someone is ripping off his Letter style… “Dear Penthouse, I used to think Tinder would never work for me, but then something happened I never expected. It’s all true, really it is. There was this girl….” He’s marketing a book to AFC’s. Everything on the web site points to selling the book. I don’t care what’s in the book, his “persistence” game is basically begging for scraps from the table. I’ve seen dogs… Read more »

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“Got to buy some more copies of Rollo’s book to give to young men…”

Geee… Wait a sec! Guyz!!! Guyz!!!

Imagine this… Imagine there was some kind of meet up where this stuff could be taught LIVE to guys!!!

Nah… Let’s focus on teaching taint waxing and how to lease a Lambo for a week…

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@HABD “It is interesting though because I’ve had half a dozen of these types act like this and they all have one thing in common, been divorced. hypergamy + willingness to act on it = DTF…” …some women are less willing than others among the older set…I’ve had questions about server girls having authentic romantic interest…I’ve been noticing that some “public service” girls (bartenders and waitresses) vary in their “game”…some have a strong “DTF” flirt vibe going where they want very direct responses (they are girls looking for validation like all the girls) and other girls will blow kisses at… Read more »

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“I’ve waited months to bang particular chicks, but I wasn’t sitting on my dick the whole time. Usually the long game chicks weren’t going to fuck me. Ever. Their words.”

And you believed them? But when girls say, “Let’s Just Be Friends,” you’re not even in the long game.

The biggest problem with long game is girls’ short attention spans and attraction windows closing. Even over a weekend. If you realize this, you can build attraction again, but it’s easy to bank on the windows still being open, and that’s a mistake.

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I can’t easily recall girls saying ” let’s just be friends “. I mean, I’ve had lots and lots of female friends, and a few of them turned into sexual partners at some point ( fwb as they say today ), but haven’t had chicks verbalize that sentiment.

That would suck.

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Blax, There were a couple of girls in college who said, LJBF, and I never paid them any attention after that. They were both surprised that I ghosted them, but no point investing in them. Recently I thought that one girl was friend-zoning me, but I probably misunderstood her signal that she wanted to leave with me. The girl told me that her friends had gone home and she didn’t want to be alone at the bar and she told me that she was leaving when she was leaving. Lol, sometimes I miss signals. In my defense, she wasn’t giving… Read more »

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@ Blax That comment hit a nerve for me, so get ready for an Anti-Field Report, Tales from the Blue Pill. My main point, before I get started, is how important it is for guys like us who know better to help younger guys and set them on the right path when we can. IMO it’s the main point of TRP aside from improving our own lives. If we have sons, nephews, kids we work with, or whatever, I feel like it’s our job to be the best masculine role models we can be. For most kids today true masculine… Read more »

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Mini report. Expansion on the mini-mini report I did earlier: Was at a party. Felt super depressed, did my usual stunt of sitting alone a little drunk and a little high and just watching people. My first instinct is always just to find the farthest corner and plop myself down, no matter how hard I try to resist it, always my first impulse. After I was there for a while, I go outside for a cigarette. A girl I’d met there before excitedly said she remembered my face. “Oh, I remember you. You were so nice to me! I didn’t… Read more »

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@ Palma I’m 29, work from parents’ house. Without getting too specific, I hand craft some products and sell them online, but the bulk is people bringing jobs to me here where my workshop is set up. They pick it up their piece when I’m done. Cash business. No sports at the moment. Been working out daily, but by myself in my home gym setup; that’s about as close to sports as I’ve gotten lately. I am completely reclusive aside from the odd party, and the couple friends I have left that are around once in a while. Most of… Read more »

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Hey guys can any of you please tell me where I can find RSD Julien’s hotseat or other infield clips. Any torrent or other sites I can download it from?

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Soften “which IMO was her telling me she gets reckless when she’s drunk, then looking at me and said she felt like doing it now…I just blanked. Brain = stopped. I honestly just didn’t know what to say. ” Well because there is nothing to SAY at that point. You just act. Escalate physically. Pull in, make out and get to business. If there are too many people around just lead her someplace private, outside is easy. Take her hand, “come. Let’s get some air” or smoke or whatever… Doesn’t matter. What matters is you lead. You lead her out.… Read more »

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“I think that I answered my own question about girls having romantic interest when they are serving you…”

Lol. You answered it but not correctly.

Look man we’ve been down this road. Discount 99.98% of service girl interest UNLESS you can make a move on her – date to meet up, number, make out etc.

Until then you are a wallet.

Fuck it. Discount 100%. It’s not real unless you prove it.

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@Rc Even though that operant conditioning is a bit formulaic, it is still based on you having the frame and mental point of origin that you are the prize and have to attitude to invite your wife along on a healthy ride with you and the kids. The formula and the process are means to an end and getting more competent. Later to be set aside and be natural and free-wheeling. This little story goes to that attitude. I was listening to Dr. Laura Schlessinger last night. She is a Trad-Con that believes in a wife treating her husband kindly… Read more »

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@Softek Good post – and surely a common experience for most guys growing up in the Third Wave of Feminism: Open Hypergamy https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-121/#comment-276947 And, in particular, this: “And it does suck. But mostly because of the bigger picture: it only happens (chronically) to guys who have no clue. And they have no clue because of their childhood lack of masculine influence/instruction/bonding, and the cycle repeats through the teens and even well into the 20’s and beyond, until they stumble upon a resource like this blog or by some miracle find some guy to help them, and show them the light.… Read more »

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@Sentient I’m trying to figure out server girl mentality. Here’s my understanding–tell me if I’m wrong. Server girls share tips and are paid a low hourly wage. On weekend nights it’s all hands on deck–nobody is getting sent home early. Yet, despite the community pot system, these girls are very competitive. They complain about other girls getting customers in their area. One whined when I hit up a bartender instead of her for a drink. And I’m not a big tipper by any means. She said that I should be loyal to her since she danced with me. (Not really,… Read more »

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What!!???!!!??!!??

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@sjf, thanks. I think that short story also points out that I still have a lot of work on self-improvement in a masculine direction that I’ve got to do – I cannot imagine my wife pronouncing the same words.
By the way, at the link you pointed above there is a comment by jacktenofhearts that is also really really good. Mentioning just in case somebody else around here finds it useful.

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Go back to sleep, Blax.

Well, I can’t talk about someone else’s experience, but I see certain server girls going home with guys they just met.

[Peanut gallery’s gonna throw peanuts, lol.]

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Nobody is saying pulling server girls isn’t possible. My wing for example has pulled 4 hired guns this year alone. 2 waitresses (Medellin, Colombia and Paris, France), and 2 hotel front desk girls (New Cairo, Egypt and Cusco, Peru).

your getting dislikes only because your autistic server analysis is retarded lol.

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What!!???!!!??!!??

Nothing important.
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Having A Bad Day and Sentient – and others. Umm. Some reassurance please. Or a slap around the head if needed. Things generally going well with wife and kids – usual ups and downs but overall positive. Moving to a new city with family. I came here alone for a month or two to clear the way and start work, and wife and kids staying with my wife’s parents for the summer, to come here in time for the start of the school year. Doing online dating as I usually do when away from family for some amusement. Set up… Read more »

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@Rc “I think that short story also points out that I still have a lot of work on self-improvement in a masculine direction that I’ve got to do – I cannot imagine my wife pronouncing the same words.” Be careful there. I thought you were decent in SMV based on your former comments. What you have to be careful about is judging yourself based on your wife’s willingness to fuck you. Do not put yourself down, unless it is warranted. You not imagining your wife pronouncing the same words is quite irrelevant. You and she dug yourself into this hole.… Read more »

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What about this take: Just be honest. With her. Scary, yes. Risky? Not necessarily.

You and her both have plausible deniability. She has no incentive to out you as a parent of a prospective student.

What would she benefit by causing problems in the school system? She would be at risk doing that.

Treat it as a secret society.

Just be up front and tell her you want the best for your children. You that should resonate with her.

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The curse of the smart guy is that they can rationalize everything too much.

What would happen if you just don’t overthink stuff. And sweat the small stuff like ASDgamer. (no offense ASD….)

And by the way, don’t get me started on the false fantasy of bartendress server girl, try a hookup, based on grammar, logic and rhetoric. Facts, understanding and wisdom. Otherwise known as YGBFSM.

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@j

Thanks a ton. Are there videos of other RSD guys which had good content on Game archived like this? Especially their hotseat full infield breakdowns. I cannot believe what RSD has turned into now!!

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@ Palma Now that’s gonna take some thinking. Speaking of old, fat women and guys I don’t want to be around, one of my friends is always going to stuff like that, yoga, meditation groups, etc. Dragging me out to stuff like that has always been like pulling teeth and I’m not sure I can do that kinda stuff again. Definitely not my scene and most of the people I’ve met at “spiritual” places like that seem really avoidant and weird. Could just be me projecting, but I honestly don’t think so. There is a place that has an open… Read more »

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@SJF Straight to the point in your advice to @The Marquis, and brilliant in its elegant simplicity. Why worry about the need for subterfuge when direct honesty can cut through to the endgame? In my limited experience (and because I am a terrible liar) this kind of direct honesty works for me. @ The Marquis There is a ‘fear of loss’ principle in play here. Understandably you are worried that you have much to lose if this blows up in your face — but so, too, does the teacher. I am not sure how this works stateside, but in the… Read more »

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Much thanks to both of you who commented. I haven’t been sleeping thinking about this. I hadn’t thought of that at all – the angle that she also has plenty to lose by sleeping with her student’s dad (even if it happened shortly before they joined etc). Basically I think there are two ways this can go wrong Option 1: She recognises me in school when my kids start in a couple of months and makes it a problem. For the reason SJF and Tantum have said, this is probably not going to be an issue – she may not… Read more »

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@The Marquis My particular problem is that I tend to over-rationalise things …. or indulged in ‘manstering’, as a seasoned commentator in this forum once correctly identified and also correctly told me to stop! I think that you are right in that you have no control over Option 2 … or possibly Option 1 for that matter. But, taking a leaf out of @Sentient’s excellent advice, why not try and apply the Platinum Rule: ‘Do whatever YOU want, whenever YOU want to do it.’ ? This may bring you some clarity, and @Sentient wisely notes that the Platinum Rule leads… Read more »

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Asd The girl at the deli counter in my supermarket wants my dick. I know because I ordered a pound of pastrami, and she gave me 1.2 pounds. Re marquis situ – Interesting dilema, but it’s not actually a dilemma if you think about it. Just go all Eddie Murphy/shaggy and say ” it wasn’t me “, and stick to it. There is no proof to the contrary. Still wanting to bang this chick. No problem. I don’t believe a man, married or not, should deny himself willingly, from getting what he really wants. But is it what you want,… Read more »

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Old man, go see your ophthalmologist.

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Marquis What’s up you 😈… Hot water is hot ain’t it? Enjoy it. That’s why you are doing it after all. To feel alive. Social circle is a different game. This is why I don’t do any online stuff and never hide my ring. Be authentic and in real life. Because it’s not the acts that cause as much trouble as the cover up. If you slept with her and she didn’t know you are married… She’s gonna be pissed…. And your wife will feel the repercussions. It will be subtle, probably something like she mentions to some co worker… Read more »

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@sjf, thanks. no I don’t think I am low SMV, and I was not putting myself down with that comment. I was simply saying that I would be really surprised if she said the words in that little joke (“a wife should never…”), given her unwillingness to fuck.
she considers me a kept man. Which brings us back to dread.

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“I never would’ve thought of that. ”

Time to break out Mystery Method and go through it.

Or PUA shorthand – instigate, isolate, escalate…

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“She has 300 other dude’s hitting her profile she probably isn’t going to chase you down… Cats have different problems than dogs.” That’s the funny thing about ASD’s formulation about server girls. If they were worth banging, they have a thousand choices of men to bang. And you want to play long game as a stingy tipper and your physical and cognitive attributes? If she isn’t with a guy already and committed, then she would be defective anyway. Especially with ASD’s concern about STD’s. “Now is it wrong to want to bang her ? Not at all.” It’s not wrong… Read more »

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@TheMarquis Having A Bad Day and Sentient – and others. Umm. Some reassurance please. Or a slap around the head if needed. https://giphy.com/gifs/cheezburger-slapping-funny-2nGfl4QfpCtW feelz like you’re alive, right?…lol Things generally going well with wife and kids – usual ups and downs but overall positive. props!… but i sense some drama ahead… if things are going too well… Moving to a new city with family. I came here alone for a month or two to clear the way and start work, and wife and kids staying with my wife’s parents for the summer, to come here in time for the start… Read more »

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“If they were worth banging” “Nobody is saying pulling server girls isn’t possible.” …two questions nobody asked or cares about in this context…people are having problems following the discussion between Sentient and me…reading comprehension… “your getting dislikes only because your autistic server analysis is retarded lol.” …at least you’re discussing something tangentially relevant…saying something is retarded doesn’t make it so…especially from folks with reading comp issues… …the only question I care about is whether server girls might be sexually interested in their customers and how you can tell when they are and when they are just trying to get bigger… Read more »

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better link

https://cheezburger.com/7613153280

good luck!

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Asd Girls are girls are girls. You’re trying to ” figure out ” if one set is NAWALT or awalt. Stay out of bars and shit until you’ve spent 1000 hours observing women in the wild. I’ve been called ” honey ” and ” baby ” and ” sexy ” by servers in bars and restaurants, and just that alone never made me wonder about sex. Had sex with women that served me in some capacity, but the random polite server banter had nothing at all to do with it. They weren’t hitting on me for sex, it was about… Read more »

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Blax

ASD has a big ego investment in thinking every girl who looks at him wants to bang him.

Of itself that’s not a bad frame.

But when you never act on anything you stick yourself into the realm of delusion.

Best not to talk about unless you are proving attraction.

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@theasdgamer “I care about is whether server girls might be sexually interested in their customers and how you can tell when they are and when they are just trying to get bigger tips or some work-related reason” “when you never act on anything you stick yourself into the realm of delusion” 100% truth. You have to act on it. That’s what my wing told me when I asked him. If you find her attractive, you see the look in her eyes that she likes you back, and when talking to her you can feel the sexual tension in the air….you… Read more »

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“ASD has a big ego investment in thinking every girl who looks at him wants to bang him.” Your game needs work. “Sure some girls (especially hired guns) are really good at faking it for big tips (or whatever reason they may have for faking it), but the only way to know for sure is to actually go for it. Bust a fucking move.” Been there, done that. Just not on server girls. In a bar. (As opposed to Blax’s deli. “I’ll have a reuben.”) Sometimes girls comply and sometimes not. Sentient’s advice assumes that I shouldn’t be flirting with… Read more »

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“Had sex with women that served me in some capacity, but the random polite server banter had nothing at all to do with it. They weren’t hitting on me for sex, it was about providing decent service and tips.” …and it was about getting attention and validation…things all girls seek…and most girls working in service industries are extraverted and like being around people and chatting people up… …of course, I get this sort of thing, too, and it’s NBD, except when my radar goes off because something is a little hinky…like you’ve pinged a girl’s radar with some value demonstration… Read more »

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Lmao.

Keep going man. This is the most fun I’ve had in the last half hour.

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” …and it was about getting attention and validation…things all girls seek…and most girls working in service industries are extraverted and like being around people and chatting people up…” Lol, okay I will bite: Prove this statement to be TRUE. Most girls that are working, particularly in the service industry are not seeking ” validation “. They are seeking a steady paycheck. Most of these jobs require that one plays nice with the paying customer. Hell, even most strippers I’ve known aren’t particular extroverted, and they’re 80% naked. When I worked with strippers, I ran into quite a few guys… Read more »

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I’ve been called ” honey ” and ” baby ” and ” sexy ” by servers in bars and restaurants, and just that alone never made me wonder about sex.

Last month on travel I charmed our way to a good table in a small restaurant. The pretty Jamaican hostess seated me last, saying “We’ll put Dah-dee right here” with a nice eye-contact look.

So?

It didn’t make the tip any bigger…

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Blaximus

Keep going man. This is the most fun I’ve had in the last half hour.

Spergatron should be required to begin every comment in this section with “Dear Penthouse….”

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” …and it was about getting attention and validation…things all girls seek…and most girls working in service industries are extraverted and like being around people and chatting people up…” Lol, okay I will bite: Prove this statement to be TRUE. Ok. But first tell me what sort of empirical test or study or logical reasoning would constitute adequate proof. For you. “Most girls that are working, particularly in the service industry are not seeking ” validation “. They are seeking a steady paycheck. Most of these jobs require that one plays nice with the paying customer.” …and intraverts are so… Read more »

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“…and intraverts are so much better than extraverts at playing nice (depends)…and girls only focus on their paycheck when they work…( more do than don’t) they turn off standard girl motivators like seeking validation and attention…( they can )and girls working at bars don’t choose to work at bars so that they have access to hot guys…( Dog Logic )” “…Blax, you are hilarious…do you ever watch girls at bars???!!!???” You got me there. Not a huge bar guy. Just watched and interacted heavily with women all my life, particularly the last 45 years. “…I go to Wally World and… Read more »

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“…and intraverts are so much better than extraverts at playing nice (depends)” …you telling us something, my friend? …and girls only focus on their paycheck when they work…( more do than don’t) …at bars on a weekend night? lol they turn off standard girl motivators like seeking validation and attention…( they can ) …if they aren’t attracted to a guy…then they can’t… …and girls working at bars don’t choose to work at bars so that they have access to hot guys…( Dog Logic )” …not really…most girls working at bars are working part time in addition to a full time… Read more »

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Server anecdote from last night…a pretty bartender I actually like got me a drink…the usual (whiskey neat and water separate, and she remembered the water)…then ignored me when I wanted water later, so I met the new girl…later, a drunk girl opened me and the first bartender got me water and I said that she just plays me every time and I fall for it every time (I was playing dumb) and she laughed and pranced and gloated over her prowess for the drunk girl and I played along. I forget the order of events, but the drunk girl was… Read more »

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Hey guys! I am posting my stuff here as I would be grateful to get advice from guys who are all on their own path to improving themselves but don’t have a product or course to sell. I came across Game sometime back. And by Game I mean London Style Direct Daygame. I thought that was what Game was and did not know of other schools of Game and it looked great on youtube so I fell in love with that style. I am an Indian and at that point was living in India, I got an opportunity to travel… Read more »

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Rc, SJF mentioned to me offline that you are back and I’m glad for that. Some thoughts…. MRP and red pill generally attempts to explain human nature with empirical psychology-ness though a masculine narrative. TRM helped me understand how I was actively frustrating my masculine nature for the sake of social acceptance. What MRP fails to explain is this: Rc, you can become hyper-clever manipulating your wife’s insecurity index…so clever that you can dial up or down her fear of nothingness (dread) at will by commission or omission. You can manipulate AF sex out of her. You can manipulate obedience… Read more »

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@Ehintellect

Interesting post and advice for @RC.

But I am curious (as I have a good friend in similar territory: he is married, loves his wife immensely, is an excellent provider, and yet she has no desire for him and has told him as much).

How do you do this — ie have a fulfilling and sex-filled marriage?

For my part, I never succeeded…

Many thanks.

TantumErgo

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Two things to add to my anecdote:

The girl said, “You’re so fucking hot!” (lol, she was so fucking drunk)
The girl said, “You’re not going to fucking leave me.” (my first attempt to depart…I was facing Scorned Girl ™ drama and needed a different exit)

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“Think of it this way: AF sex is a negotiation…fuck me or you don’t get my presence. BB sex is a negotiation…fuck me or you don’t get stuff. Both AF an BB are negotiated sex.”

I choose door number three: she fucks me and departs and doesn’t need my presence and will fuck me even if she doesn’t get my presence.

“There is no such thing as RP desire sex.”

Relatively true if you’ve never experienced it.

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@Palmsailor

Yes: I am in London, and very much like to talk it through.

Tuesdays / Thursdays and Fridays are good for me. 😊

TantumErgo

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@theasdgamer

“Door number three” = The Holy Grail.

I remember clearly in my early days with Babushka, she went back to visit her parents in Eastern Europe.

She told me that she would try and hook up with someone so that she could ‘get you [me] out of my [her] head.’ (I suspect she did.)

My reply: ‘You can fuck as many people as you like, but it will never get me out of your head.’

Her: ‘You’ re right. ‘

Followed by:’ You can do anything that you want to me. ‘

I did. 😊

TantumErgo

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Way to go, Tantum!

Now, rinse and repeat.

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@ gamenoob I also saw the direct London Daygame stuff on YouTube, like this one: I have no idea what to make of it. Since I’ve never actually gone out and field-tested it, any “critique” I’d have of it would be purely mental masturbation. I’d be curious if guys here have successfully used this model and whether it’s good advice to follow or not. I understand the concept that saying “you look nice” is “pedestalizing” but having never done this in real life = mental masturbation. IOW, I’m not about to critique guys going out and trying ANYTHING while I’m… Read more »

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Interesting post and advice for @RC. But I am curious (as I have a good friend in similar territory: he is married, loves his wife immensely, is an excellent provider, and yet she has no desire for him and has told him as much). How do you do this — ie have a fulfilling and sex-filled marriage? One of the things I noticed along the way with my journey and reconstruction, is that RP is a Process and praxeology (what works) first. It contains useful tools in a toolbox. You use those tools to modify relationship patterns and to self… Read more »

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I choose door number three: she fucks me and departs and doesn’t need my presence and will fuck me even if she doesn’t get my presence.

Yes. That is the definition of self differentiation. Your wife can stand on her own two feet and feel comfortable with herself.

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@theadsgamer

Thank you. 😊

I totally lost the plot with Babushka… but I am learning.

TantumErgo

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@gamenoob, Softek Read Bacchus’ intro to day game: https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/311854-intro-to-day-game and then his day game Lay Reports 1 “There’s a lone girl sitting on a bench. She’s looking at her phone. Shopping bags around her wrists. Took a seat next to her. At a respectable distance. I’m glued to my phone as I sit on the bench. Giving her the opportunity to digest my vibe freely. From her perspective, I’m just a well-dressed window shopper. Resting his legs and glued to his phone like everybody else. But with noticeably better body language and presence. Relaxed posture and an almost poetic stillness.… Read more »

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It’s easier to not get shot at than it is to dodge bullets

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kfg, when you’re in a dancing show, there’s always some smartass gonna pull out a piece and tell you to dance as they blast away at your feet

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@Palmsailor
I’ll be there. 😊
Will have a top-pocket handkerchief in my jacket / suit.
E-mail for comms is in name signature.

TantumErgo

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Now someone’s gonna say that I didn’t get my fingers wet, so it doesn’t count. You don’t really, really know if the drunk broad was DTF until then. Maybe the bitch was just grabbing your cock because she was bored and running your hands over her boobs and ass because they itched. And maybe she was trying to ram her tongue down your throat as part of a dare. Maybe the drunk broad was leading you on saying that she was gonna ride you all night and saying that you couldn’t leave. Maybe. But probably? Naah. When it comes to… Read more »

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Dalai Lama laying down red pill truths for women

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/dalai-lama-successor-sexist-comment-165529899.html

“If a female Dalai Lama comes, she should be more attractive.” If not, “people, I think prefer, not see her, that face.”

I guess his holiness really is enlightened.

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