Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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theasdgamer
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Should I give more comfort, or more attention, but unconditionally?

Is she giving you comfort tests or shit tests? Comfort tests are tests to find out how invested you are in the relationship.

Generally, when dread initiates comfort tests, you give comfort and continue to provide some dread.

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Sentient, Palma, SJF, thank you all. Insightful as usual. Details on recent behavior: wanted to avoid TLDR; some tests here and there, but good mood overall. She keeps asking “so when do we see each other?” and inquire about vacations. Women’s day (yesterday) was another flurry of shit tests. Morning: her: “today it’s women’s day” I gave her an explicitly fake kiss on the cheek with no lips, if that makes sense, and smirked. She goes to the office and they let her find a vase with mimosas; she sends me a picture, and I reply “that’s nice of them!”… Read more »

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@asd,
A good mix. I’ve been struggling with that distinction. I’ll read about how to provide comfort without pinging beta, but if you have suggestions I’ll gladly take them. Thanks

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RC “I’ll read about how to provide comfort without pinging beta, but if you have suggestions I’ll gladly take them. Thanks” Dudebro – do NOT do this. You are nowhere near an actual comfort test. You are just starting to get some alpha going and she is trying to get you back in your subservient role. Do not think you are getting a comfort test until she is sobbing and shaking. Until then it’s all shit test and YES she WILL be uncomfortable!!! That’s part of the process. Is she comfort testing Brad Pitt? No. She is worried about how… Read more »

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Hi Rc.

Nice.

Look it’s less about process. I know, I know you want direction. You want advice, you want a path to follow.

It’s a wicked game thinking you’re being dragged inithe current of events. You respond to the world, wife, whatever.

Bullshit.

You’re too cool ATM to be sucked along.

It’s the weekend. Now go do that voodoo that you do so well.

You got this.

Her: “today it’s women’s day”

You: Yes. Day.

Then immediately torch up a cigar and drink beer.

She wants your best too bad to let you fail.

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The comfort test is from fear of replacement, after – this is important – she has competed… She isn’t competing for you yet hoss…

When she is putting back on some sexy lingerie, doing the things you like, cooking what you like, dressing up etc.

Then she is back competing for you.

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“When she is putting back on some sexy lingerie, doing the things you like, cooking what you like, dressing up etc.

Then she is back competing for you.“

Ha. That’s clear now.

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@Rc So what you are saying is that your mommy wife won’t you read manosphere content? What kind of frame is that? I’m not suggesting to flaunt it, just to not care. You can keep it out of site and still consume it. It’s not her decision. She’s not your mom and you are not her child. Keep in mind this tango you are going through is a process (EhIntellect is right about what he said, but he’s well down the “process line”, you are still OK in “process” and instruction and examples. So I’m going to do something I… Read more »

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Rc,

Sentient asked me this question early on:

Why are you here?

No joke, no answer needed. This is contemplation time.

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Sjf, thank you. I’ve been reading BPP posts on mrp – the latest right about STFU and dread – and they’re great. It’s not that I’m behaving as if she’s my mom. She might have found pages open from chateau for example. But I’m not sure I’d be able to handle how to save a low sex marriage in her thoughts. I don’t know maybe that’s exactly what she needs: seeing that a low sex marriage is a problem for me . But explicit communication obviously doesn’t work – and hasn’t so far. So, thanks. Hopefully BPP won’t be too… Read more »

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“Hopefully BPP won’t be too upset, if he reads here.” He won’t be. Last fall I befriended him in real life (He went public, lived near me and I reached out and drew him into my Red Pill tribe). He likes me and we’ve added a lot to each others discussion and strategy about Red Pill. He’s the first one to tell you: As a man, it is OK to cheat to reach your objectives, metaphorically, your moral compass is yours and yours alone. (I purchased his ebook February 5, 2016. I see he has a feature on Amazon: Loan… Read more »

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Rc I love Eh and SJF, but I can’t keep up with the volume of output, and I’m not naturally prone to the sort of detail they get into. They have turned round their situations and I didn’t but my problem was loss of frame, I was still getting plenty of sex. I can’t agree that it doesn’t matter if your woman finds out that you are Red pill, or are reading red pill sites etc.. it’s fucking dangerous territory, not least of which in a divorce court if it comes to that. “Yeah your honour he’s joined a woman… Read more »

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Field report last night and Peacocking Went out last night on a bar crawl which is usually good especially if there are a couple of hen nights out. Venue one is the meet and a sober affair so warmed up on a couple of women who were on a girls weekend away. Got down to star signs with one and I googled our compatibility which according to the computer is incredible, then I scrolled down to our sexual compatibility which was even more incredible and got her to read that bit out.. She was touching my arm and hair behind… Read more »

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Re reading that I forgot to say that I told her I wasn’t gay, but didn’t make a thing of it.

I think my radar was correct in that they were up for a threesome and she was the bait but they wanted someone for him too because he was BI (gay).

I’d be interested in any other takes on it.

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Yesterday night another massive set of tests. I might have blew up some. We were in bed and she started saying “you’ve changed, you are different, is something wrong …” not bitchy but worried. I shrugged it off saying with normality that I’m not, hugged her and kept sleeping. She kept coming at it, and I told her that I was the one hugging, and she was the one going away (she was doing that). She started sobbing, and then I brought her her on my chest and told her stop now. She had a bad day with the kids… Read more »

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@palma, no I’ve not done that yet. She does laugh a lot when I give her the wedgie but I stop there. That was a good tip!

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@RC If you enjoy lots of drama, ignore my advice. My advice is standard push/pull and it will bring your woman back in line. Just amp up the dread as needed. If your woman is denying sex, amp up the dread and ignore the fake comfort tests which are actually drama tests. You can minimize drama tests by creating your own little dramas to minimize her drama tests (while still staying cool and calm and collected). When not dealing with drama tests, stay out of the house (even go to the library or read in Taco Bell or whatever–something social… Read more »

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@Rc Keep in mind she was frustrated with the kids–it wasn’t all you. And the rest was pouring gasoline on the fire of her feeling bad. Even though it was a Saturday night, she wasn’t down to fuck you because she was so frustrated. And she knew you wanted it. Females naturally condition you to be a good beta by hiding the vagina. She knows she can get her way, by leading you around. So, what to do? Test the theory that her emotions will blow over. You might have blew up some, but don’t kick yourself for that. It… Read more »

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RC Dudebro You are falling into purple pill chump mode due to fear and scarcity. Full Stop. ““you’ve changed, you are different, is something wrong ” Standard. Translation – you are not behaving like the beta I’ve trained you to be and if it doesnt stop I’m going to have to get off my ass and do something… And don’t want to do that… Did you even read this? https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/asshole-game-week-the-relationship-reset/ ” I shrugged it off saying with normality that I’m not, ” Dogs can’t argue with cats… Better to just shrug. You DO NOT need to answer all her queries…… Read more »

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RC “She had a bad day with the kids yesterday as well plus the friend thing ” Don’t make excuses for her. That’s just your fear and scarcity mindset talking. If you had ten other girls texting you they wanted to be fucked then and there would you make these excuses? No. You are just manstering away your putting the hammer down. Remember she WILL be uncomfortable through this process but that cats not being dogs she will get wet from it… Grasp this mindshift… “This morning still cold. Not really sure I went too far too early” You didn’t.… Read more »

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Palma On your threesome thing. Devil’s threesome not my bag baby… But… You played sneaky fucker game… No attempt to engage the guy… No attempt to BF destroy or engage the girl about the guy in the open… “How long you two know each other?” Etc. Unless You take charge of the dynamics, she gets to be belle of the ball and run her jealousy script. That does not discount that she may enjoy your attention at the same time. On the gay stuff… Have some good responses… “Me gay? Look… Just because you’ve sucked cock that doesn’t make you… Read more »

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@ Sentient Now you say it it’s obvious that this is what happened. I wasn’t really thinking at all, just out having a laugh and she opened me. I wouldn’t have hit on the female half of a couple, but it’s happened to me a lot here especially when I’m out with my wing. Numerous times the female half has opened us in a bar / restaurant and suggested we try their drink / food etc. Something else has been going on and we’ve never run with it beyond the initial chat. By the time I got to her I… Read more »

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@Rc Here is some background framework about what Sentient is talking about in dog logic vs. cat emotion. It is a chapter from author Franco, Manual of seduction. Quote: Woman’s Emotional States Let’s now learn a new concept: the concept of mental state. Contrary to what we might like to believe, our mental states are not constant: they change all the time. We can be happy in the morning, sad in the afternoon, angry in the evening, a minute before in love and a minute later we may hate the one we loved. Men tend to use logic to repress… Read more »

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Palms

“but I just rolled with it without thinking.”

Yeah I hear you. At a certain point your just in the moment having some fun. And that’s all good when you have you bases covered…

“I never hit for a phone number these days, I either close it or burn it.”

Yup. Worst case she forces the number on you at the end. So not worth asking upfront.

Had an interesting FR recently involving a number. May post later just as a warning.

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Somebody call 911 because Sentient is on fire 🔥🔥🔥

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@Sentient

Almost all of last night was me taking the piss I’d swapped glasses with this one

https://imgur.com/a/lpcBZbi

Yep please post your phone number field report

As I said I don’t go for them now at all, it’s ride or die

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Thanks everybody. That’s the kind of scolding I need to read.

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Left the house for a short business trip. When I was leaving she hugs tight, then she says “remember, if something bad happens between us you’re the one losing” – that wasn’t a defiant tone, it was more like submissive. I don’t say anything, smirk, and touch her nipple – but with my phone. She smiled surprised. After that, she said “bring me a toy”. I’ve got to think about this. I’ve read here that skittles are reserved for anniversaries but maybe I’ll try.

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“…she says “remember, if something bad happens between us you’re the one losing” – that wasn’t a defiant tone, it was more like submissive.” That was a covert “I own you” tone. Don’t kid yourself. It most certainly was a defiant tone, just covert. Women have a skill in covertness. “After that, she said “bring me a toy””. That was covert ‘put you to work’, ‘because I own you’ talk. Don’t bring her a toy. Bringing her a toy is a shit test. (But that being said, if it is no big deal and you find something cool, and you… Read more »

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Sjf, I’ve got this feeling that I needed to come around here earlier. I wonder why. I’ve come to realize the shit test nature of the vacation thing only recently. Yes we can afford that say once per year, she brags it but mostly with her sisters. Don’t get me wrong, I like vacations too. Especially the impromptu ones, like jump in the car and go. But yes, in the past we mostly chose together the place formally – substantially it was a painful process, and never spontaneous as I’d like. And got little or nothing while out. The last… Read more »

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@RC

Give your woman an inexpensive sweet toy. Give it to her like it’s an expensive diamond, wrapped up and everything. “Because you’re so special” on the card. Be prepared for a massive shit test and handle it with humor. “What have you done with my wife? She could take a joke.”

Maybe she’ll do a beta bait waterworks display. Handle it the same way.

“Her wanting a vacation is a big shit test. ” Yep. “So you think that you’ve made the traveling squad, do you?”

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“– substantially it was a painful process, and never spontaneous as I’d like. And got little or nothing while out.”

You can always get a nose ring, have her tie a chain to it and lead you around on the next vacation. That’s what she apparently has in mind.

Or regain your balls and be like a boss.

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@Rc

Don’t buy her a toy – nothing, even buying a stupid one is falling into her frame and allowing her drama / attention on the subject.

The subject shouldn’t exist so starve it out, she doesn’t get gifts and prizes as compensation because you have to work.

On the holiday thing do what you want to do.

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Rc,

“I’ve got this feeling that I needed to come around here earlier. I wonder why.”

You’re hanging on to the past. Let go. The past literally doesn’t exist. Your wife is hanging on to the past too, hence all the shit testing.

You’ve been delivered a gift with her shit testing. She tells you to get her crap while on your trip is a softball test to smash.

Good luck.

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Don’t buy her a toy – nothing, even buying a stupid one is falling into her frame

A&A is always a dominance move. Not falling into her frame because you are taking over her frame.

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Nah, never buy anything at all in the midst of tension, or as any kind of training tactic. It is in her frame.

Not even a stick of fucking gum.

No man is responsible for any woman’s happiness. Or anyone else . That’s not a part of the burden. Happy wife, happy life? Gtfoh.

Women misidentify the reasons for their unhappiness all the time, making them unreliable witnesses. They will accept a gift or something, but the underlying issue will remain, even if temporarily dormant.

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“When I was leaving she hugs tight, then she says “remember, if something bad happens between us you’re the one losing” – that wasn’t a defiant tone, it was more like submissive.” Rc, Women manipulate their men through mixed emotional signals. It affords them wiggle room as she negotiates her way through life. She can and will break whichever way benefits her IRT based on your reaction. Hence we recommend watching what she does, not what she says or how she says it or your opinion of her emotional state. I repeat: Do not trust your opinion of her intent.… Read more »

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Asd You talk about training wimen/wife, but your advice is highly suspect.😁 I ” trained ” my wife shortly after marriage, to understand that I’m never responsible for her feeling unhappy. Solipsism can breed internal unhappiness. I will not perform because she’s unhappy or upset. Gf before becoming wife : I’m upset with you because I feel blah blah blah. Me: I got hard dick and bubble gum, and I’m fresh outta bubble gum. Training wifey included ” training ” her how to be happier, and to let go of being unhappy. It works mostly, but awalt won’t go away… Read more »

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The next step in progress will be instead of issuing a veiled threat when you are going away she will ensure your balls are drained. And the next step after that is when she will mean it.

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“I’ve come to realize the shit test nature of the vacation thing….”

If only I had a nickle for every couple who went on a big vacation and within the month divorce papers are served…..

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@Sentient / All So for the first time ever I’m in good enough shape to do the topless photo online dating so I put it in the main picture of a moth balled account. I know I know I’ve said you shouldn’t do online … but I’ve always wanted to do the topless pic but never had the shape for it. I’m still not good enough really by the way but the photo is good. So the profile consists of my age (seasonally adjusted to 47) and five pictures. One shirtless and the other four with four different women on… Read more »

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@RC None of these other guys have as much experience with a single marriage as I do. Their advice is suspect. Blax especially doesn’t do analysis well, although he’s very creative at gift-wrapping his bullshit with a nice big red bow and satin ribbon. Palma hasn’t had much success in relationships and he’s a larper about relationships. Let me break your situation down for you. You are having marital problems because you failed to establish your dominance. Now your wife is testing your dominance with the provider bait test (“get me a gift”). There are several possible actions and outcomes:… Read more »

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RC

ASD is going through some kind of identity crisis. No idea wtf he is going on about. I’m married nearly 30 years for example.

Pay him limited mind…

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I’m married nearly 30 years

The key word there is nearly. I’m waaay past that and my wife is still in love with me. And I go out socializing on the weekends. Not much drama in the Gamer household any more.

Sentient gets stuck on something and won’t let go, like an ideologue. Not all that creative.

Notice that none of these guys offer an actual problem with my Field Tested ™ ideas. Just a lot of pulpit pounding.

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Palma You sexy beast… Good luck tonight. I wrote up that number FR and it never posted… Fuck it. New situation. Was at a upscale wine bar. There were two girls on the end then around the bend of the bar a girl and then I guy who was next to me. Did my standard force open posture. Took like 10 minutes but then one of the girls on the end called me into the convo. I stayed put and addressed them from my spot. Just basic stuff. Eventually the two on the end split and I got deeper with… Read more »

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ASD

Well what about Bob?

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On relationship experience i’d argue that a guy who’s had six five year relationships has more experience than a guy with 1 30 or 40 year. Assuming they all ended on his terms…

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Lol.

Not much drama in the gamer household eh?

Since when?

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Pro tip: you aren’t dominant because you say or think you are.😂

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Your analysis is flawed because it still revolves around her perception of what you said.

A&A falls into the Cocky Funny realm. Anyone who’s gamed knows that cocky funny has limits and over reliance leads to overgaming and dancing monkey.

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So how do we sort out the lies from the truth in the “field reports”? Inevitably there will be liars and some people are very good at lying with zero compunction to do anything but lie. Of what real value will the “field reports” be other than some strange form of entertainment?

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“I’ve come to realize the shit test nature of the vacation thing….” If only I had a nickle for every couple who went on a big vacation and within the month divorce papers are served….. Conversely, if every thing goes well with a red pill reconstruction, a vacation can mirror the red pill health of a LTR relationship. The satisfaction and fun and sex you have can tell you how you are doing in a masculine/feminine polar relationship. You shouldn’t go on vacation until you are in control of the vacation parameters and she is willing to follow your lead.… Read more »

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“So how do we sort out the lies from the truth in the “field reports”? Inevitably there will be liars and some people are very good at lying with zero compunction to do anything but lie. Of what real value will the “field reports” be other than some strange form of entertainment?” It’s all an effort to give tips and tricks or to conversely for people to ask questions and give advice. Rc, or others, can test whether he resonates with the advice and try it out and change the way he blue pill operates by using his/their instincts. My… Read more »

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A&A falls into the Cocky Funny realm.

Er, no. It’s a dominance play. Amused Mastery ™. And smashing shit tests is always such over-gaming, lol.

Pro Tip (for Blax): Just because you’re slightly amusing doesn’t mean that you aren’t perfuming bullshit, Junior.

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NBTM: I don’t think people really lie much in FRs. Yeah I’m sure there’s some exaggeration and some makeouts get turned into lays, and some 6s become 8s and so on, but I don’t think stuff gets made up out of whole cloth. What would be the point? Plus if you have enough experience of going out (and of reading FRs), you can spot the ones that are not in line with you see in real life (it’s not perfect, but you can spot obviously wrong ones). Sentient – other than reminding you to have your logistics on lockdown for… Read more »

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ASD, A couple things: You create terminology (lit up) only you understand then craft tautalogic explanations and expect others to accept your contrivances. Please, spare me, I don’t care to learn some inapplicable jargon. Whatevs. ASD, you aren’t that special and no one replies to you FRs as they are as farcical as your relationship advice. Again, whatevs. You seem lonely in your writing, needful for discussion and I guess there’s no shame in that per se and if making yourself feel worthwhile here helps, well ok….though… Beta game in the dance club to get along? That’s BP. Giving women… Read more »

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@SJF

It’s all an effort to give tips and tricks or to conversely for people to ask questions and give advice.

And it’s also a way to test RP principles in the field and discover successful strategies.

As an example of someone helping me to find a successful strategy, BPP was very helpful for me when it came to Dread, tho I apply it somewhat differently than he suggested. It is working just fine in the Gamer household…and, perhaps surprisingly, it has an impact on Daughter Gamer–not just Mrs. Gamer.

I can’t remember…have you been married more than once?

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You create terminology (lit up) only you understand</i?

No, this is in common use in PUA land. But I’m not surprised that you don’t understand the importance of being able to calibrate women’s emotions. Good luck anyways.

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@sentient Good open – it worked so it was good! I don’t know what a “force open” posture is ? But not sure it matters by this stage in the game anyway I usually give them the phone for them to put a number in but the “too complicated thing” could have been her panicking because the cock blocking cousin could have returned from the toilet at any minute – and was probably shaking it out at full speed to get back and stump your gig. If he can’t have her no one else can right? You were getting the… Read more »

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” Pro Tip (for Blax): Just because you’re slightly amusing doesn’t mean that you aren’t perfuming bullshit, Junior.”

hee hee heeeeee.

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@ASD “I can’t remember…have you been married more than once?” Just once. I met my wife when she was 23 and I was 27. Married after 18 months, daughter two years after that and son two years after that. We were too busy living an exciting life for the first ten years to fuck up. The second ten years, I didn’t have any mentors or close friends and I got betatized in those second ten years. Ten years ago I got a group of guy friends in the wildlife deer habitat realm and did tribal stuff with them. I discovered… Read more »

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** the lite bite includes a location bounce so the hamster will register the hat trick of 3 meets and be good to go…

Report back!

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“No, this is in common use in PUA land. ”

Oh?

Hey j, is that so?

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light up
1. To brighten or illuminate something. Fireworks lit up the night sky.
2. To become illuminated. The street lamps light up at dusk.
3. To focus a light source on someone or something. The flashlight lit up a stray cat in the bushes.
4. To become noticeably excited or animated at the sight of someone or something. I’m sure she likes you—she just lights up whenever you’re around.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/light+up

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@Sentient

Well, I’ve always heard that you should treat a Day 2 just like Day 1. Don’t assume attraction at the outset. Build attraction and DHV at the outset, just like Day 1.

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@Rc Five years or so ago, I took three golf lessons from a pro. I knew I had a fundamentally flawed golf swing for the previous 40 years. He straightened me out after only three lessons. I asked him how he did that. He said that he took what I was mostly or grossly doing wrong and had me minimize those things. Do them less wrong. This was an example of fixing blind spots. I didn’t know what I was doing wrong–couldn’t see it. The same applies to MRP game. You don’t know what you don’t know. BluePillProfessor went public… Read more »

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@Sentient “I felt it hit. I knew it hit when the guy starts talking about her boyfriend…” haha “I say go to the bathroom write down your number and give it to me on your way out. Your cousin wont see” smooth as fuck. “My day 2 game is weak” me too lol. been years since I did one. but I would text her while she’s in her class as oppose to 5:30 (looks more spontaneous…like you almost forgot and she’ll think, “isn’t that guy from yesterday gonna text me?” Instead of, “damn I still have to go see this… Read more »

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I like that timing suggestion J.

Culum – yeah a few situations far away. We will see.

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Palma “I don’t know what a “force open” posture is ? ” Generally when I approach a bar I walk straight up, don’t look around, stand straight, place my hands flat on the bar arms spread a bit more than shoulder width and DO NOT seek any eye co tact with girla around. Address the bartender and May banter with him, look at the tv or the back bar. Force the girls to open you since you aren’t paying attention to them. “too complicated thing” could have been her panicking because the cock blocking cousin could have returned from the… Read more »

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Oh and she’s teaching the class.

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@RC: I’m in read only mode here most of the time, for the simple reason that I’m in the learning phase yet just as you, so I don’t dish out relationship advices. I wanted to chime in for two reasons now. First, please do listen to the guys here, I can’t stress enough how valuable the information they share is. Use it. I think you are clever enough to decide who is legit who is not. So don’t go purple, go red pill all the way. The other topic is what Blax brought up about your responsibility for your wife’s… Read more »

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I agree

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Okay, I stopped masturbating/watching porn. I don’t want to fuck my wife at the moment, she is out of shape and I can’t honestly say she is trying to work out. I do get hard just by feeling her butt in the dark in our bedroom, but she doesn’t get me horny just by looking at her. I was out of shape as well, but diabetes got me skinny quickly, now I’m just buffing up and she does admit that I’m looking better. Wish I could say the same for her. I know I’m not being a bad man for… Read more »

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Hey all, In the end I had no time to think about toys, when I’m out I work almost all the time. Good discussion though, as you saw I didn’t realize this was “put you to wok” example. Too bad in a sense, because I’m not forced to make a choice. Or maybe I am, I might have bought a pack of gum. We’ll see tonight. @Sjf, thanks for the pointer to the 4 horses. I’ve got mostly criticisms and some (little) contempt going on. I’ll deal with it as suggested in MRP. @hf, yes I do see that and… Read more »

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@ Testi “Okay, I stopped masturbating/watching porn.” Congratulations. “but she doesn’t get me horny just by looking at her.” This is critical for your differentiation from her and your marriage reconstruction. She’s feeling the natural relationship dynamic change subcomms IRT. She will not let on that she knows or is concerned, though the shit testing will increase subtly at first. Then you know it’s on. Her will is cracking. ” I’m just buffing up and she does admit that I’m looking better.” Congratulations. Women will attempt to assume your improvement for herself and complement you and in a way complementing… Read more »

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@Testi

Type II diabetes? You mean you got skinny to control it?

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Closing the loop…

Texted her at 7 “when’s class over?”

Nothing back.

Texted at 10 “you around?”

Nada

So that is that.

May send a animated gif tonight last ditch.

Take away… Not much. Girl caught up in moment, got ahead of herself. Next day is a new day.

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@Sentient Texted her at 7 “when’s class over?” Assumed attraction (good) AND investment (hm well…). Lack of response = no investment or second thoughts. At least useful feedback, you’re starting from cold. So this one here went in the wrong direction: Texted at 10 “you around?” You see that, right? We covered texting before: https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-45/#comment-216991 Tease, exaggerate in a funny way, leave a hook point. Build it up a bit. Classic MM loop via text. Just enough to solidify the call to action. At this stage, a random gif can go either way, hit or miss. I’d reopen teasing her… Read more »

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Coda – so after a few pops decided to call dancer girl. She answers, says she is in class teaching. I say so about that drink. She says omg. I’m so sorry I never should have given out my number. I can’t. I had no smooth lines just closing the loop at that point. Said yeah it’s cool blah blah. It occurred later a few smooth lines would have been ok to throw out there. Sometimes it’s better to just be in the moment and react vs having a plan. That way you see options develop not on your board.… Read more »

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Then starts spewing invective… “You’re disgusting!” Obviously triggered her PTSD. The queen bee is highly protective of the sisterhood. At her age it’s the only connection to the SMP. 2 weeks back I opened a table of 3 20 y.o.’s at a restaurant. I casually ask if they’ve been there before and then what they’re recommend. Immediate response from the queen bee: “I think you’d best ask the waitress.” I gazed unemotionally at her letting the comment sink in for a second then slowly turn my back on her, leaning on the table a bit. I ask the other two… Read more »

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Eh

Left out this part of the Cray Cray story. When I first turned to her she was complimenting me ” oooh I love how you’re put together” and running her hand down the the lapel of my jacket. At the end she was going “just…. Look at you! With your jacket!!!” In a sneer…

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“oooh I love how you’re put together” and running her hand down the the lapel..”

Excellent Beta Bait example. It’s her go to and that’s why she’s pissed as her sexuality doesn’t pull like it once did.

Overt displays of dramatic affection from post-wall women….ABORT!

“You’re disgusting!” = “My SMV collapses IRT!”

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“That is how a real 9 does an approach invite. Soooo subtle. I’ll hang nearby for a minute and see if he does something. No. Well that is it”. hmmm not sure this is ‘9’ thing only. Think its just something hot girls do in general (7s+8s included), where they position themselves within your vicinity. not even looking at you. And they’re like, I know you feel my presence here, I’m giving you 30 seconds because I KNOW you know I’m here, even if you’re trying to pretend like you don’t ….28, 29, 30. ok That’s it you’re done. “You… Read more »

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@IRL nice to see you back, bro!… good luck! @Sentient ya know, for a RP dude, you really do need to start spotting this sh*t in real time…lol… it killed you with dancer girl… and the smokeshow… AND that 50’s hotty…lol… dancer girl – initial meet was a fun flirty one-off (says the bf-guarding cousin…lol)… sooo, how do you approach a day 2 after THAT situ?… (hint – NOT ‘hey SL*T!!! let’s GO!!!’…lol… which is what your invite pinged her with… ) you didn’t give her hind brain ANYTHING to work with…lol… should have been more ‘innocently ambiguous’ (even if… Read more »

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And speaking of ratings, last night Kevin Samuels (black dude in his 50s with a youtube channel) handed out the following ratings 7: Bern Nadette Stanis 8: Pam Grier 9: Jayne Kennedy 10: Dorothy Dandridge I’ve already given my opinion on black women, so we don’t need to revisit that, but what I found funny was someone left a comment, saying that Pam was (“and always will be”) a 10 and Kevin responded in blax fashion: “Look here dude check that foolishness at the door or kick rocks. Pam Grier was not a Baller chick in any way. Just goes… Read more »

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@Sentient

aaaand my basic assumption plays out…lol

Left out this part of the Cray Cray story. When I first turned to her she was complimenting me ” oooh I love how you’re put together” and running her hand down the the lapel of my jacket. At the end she was going “just…. Look at you! With your jacket!!!” In a sneer…

those^^^ were sh*t tests btw…lol… which you don’t appear to have escalated on…lol…

was she hot enough for a three/four way?…lol…

good luck!

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@Sentient

and juuuust for pedantic thoroughness… whenever you feel the urge to be all ‘girls just be cray cray!!!’… YOU are missing some important data stream info on the subcomms channel…lol…

girls are NEVER ‘cray cray’…lol… only a dog could think THAT…lol… they might get their sexual strategy algos crossed sometimes, but even then they STILL operating ‘in service of the egg’… even IF the are in their 50s…lol…

good luck!

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Re: smart girls wait for you. FR time. Last summer, wife and I walk into the large smoking area behind a bar. There’s three groups of 20s somethings drinking and laughing. We stroll to an emptyish area and one pretty girl laughs out loud, from 10′ away, at my wife saying…OMG you two are soooo getting laid tonight!….and asks her questions about how long we’ve been dating and such. As she learns we’re married she again kinda flips out and grills my wife how we pull it off. Long things short…the group has high SMV members. They’re having an impromptu… Read more »

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Yeah Mystery would call this proximity. Yareally had some long ass acronym for a similar concept. I see 7 and 8s being more “active” if you will in this area, even though they look inactive. 9s are way way more subtle. And rarely make any eye contact.

I 9 walks in a venue and always looks straight ahead. She assumes all eyes are on her. 8s will cast around a little more. And so on. Degrees.

“powerful compliment when ya think about it tbh”

Interesting . To me I thought she was being presumptuous.

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@ Sentient

How would you approach her, open her now?

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IRL and HABD back? Old boys week… Why cant we have real time posting!!! Lol “fill in her^^ back story… and what the dynamic was that played out in situ” Heh. Make no mistake I know exactly what played out here. Obvi she was jilted in the past and her looks swirling down the drain has no hope for the future… I didn’t game her because she wasnt attractive. Yeah I know I know… Group dynamics yo. Frankly I thought it was funny and sad that she flipped out. “if you spot it fast enough, you can just walk over… Read more »

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Eh

I was ruminating on going over and saying something about her business deal, use that towarss a qualifier that she has something going on other than looks.

Nothing special just a social intro and look to get a refill.

Bleh

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@ Sentient

Ok. Thx.

I’d like to mention something about Sentient vs. j or ASD FRs.

Girls and women shit test all. the. time. Even after you’ve found your sweet spot in a relationship within a short period she’s at it again.

j and ASD never post anything (as I’ve read) about shit tests, just awesome game, perfectly delivered and social proof. It’s oesn’t happe IRL.

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@Sentient “9s are way way more subtle. And rarely make any eye contact” Gotcha. Thanks for clairifying. I don’t really notice this subtly because I open regardless if they give me eye contact or not. (I revealed how I open HBs in bars/clubs on NextASF’s facebook group yesterday.(which @eh to qualify myself, is invite only for the top PUAs. If they thought I was full of shit I’d be kicked out/not invited in the first place). It’s only after being in conversation for a couple of seconds that I notice “holy shit this girl is actually hotter than I thought”… Read more »

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@EI Ok, a shit test happened today and I didn’t even realize it. That’s what happens when you are unconsciously competent. Backstory: Mrs. Gamer, Daughter Gamer, and I were watching an episode of “Blue Bloods” where Eddie’s bf ditches her after she shoots a robber. The bf’s sister is chasing Eddie’s partner Jamie. I mentioned that I had once chased off a thug who was stalking a girl and me when I was walking her to the bus stop back in college. Mrs. Gamer asked me if I banged her and I just laughed. Daughter Gamer was watching me and… Read more »

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“a shit test happened today and I didn’t even realize it. That’s what happens when you are unconsciously competent”

+1

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Thug ( kinda )
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It would have been several decades ago, when Tyler was eight.

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@Sentient well, if you’re not going to break it down for a learning exercise for the dudes on the home edition (and YOU…lol… i’m not kidding about real time spotting…lol), i will…lol She is tall and thin in the way older women start to get when they ARE GOING TO BE THIN dammit… On her way to that gaunt crone look. Well dressed though. Money. maybe… she could also be trying to impress her GNO buddies… now that i’m RP, i see these trios of 50s/60s girls ALL over the place… usually in some form of ‘trying tooo hard’ attire…and… Read more »

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@sentient Yer That’s why I’d have used the business gig to get the proximity to the bitch for a round 2 with no expectations. “To get what you need pander to greed” Standard Tom Conti Shirley Valentine game “I don’t want to make fuck with you” You’d almost fucked her round one so her ASD was gonna be nuclear level as she expected to move on from this round two but couldn’t reconcile it. But you need to build A&C again. Plausable deniability etc.. Never mind Next! In other news I got blown out in the online dating because of… Read more »

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