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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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TantumErgo
TantumErgo
1 year ago
Reply to  theasdgamer

@theasdgamer All good points and food for thought. I can certainly identify with the ‘feel goods’ factor — and the fact that I really enjoy sex, and the chase-down to get it. But if this is proves to be a compulsion, and I will need to reflect on whether it is, then, certainly it could be a dangerous one. Of more concern, is whether I have a need for validation, and that I erroneously believe that this can be achieved by either sexual gratification and / or a woman’s adoration. So, I need to examine my motivations in my previous… Read more »

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
1 year ago
Reply to  Sentient

@ Sentient

Thanks again.

Yes, I am aware of, and have read, Rollo’s Iron Rules — but need to re-read them and internalise them, so they become a sort of Mantra, and then apply them.

TantumErgo

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 year ago

@TantumErgo As to when, if ever, I hade any frame with her, then it was right at the start, when I told her to hit it or quit it. = negotiating desire… @Rollo has a couple of posts on that…lol But, from what you are saying, I never did. it doesn’t seem like you did, no…. So, as a practical question: how do I go about re-building frame? And is it just too late to do so with her? theoretically, not too late… but for all practical purposes (given your game knowledge and current level of ability to execute same)…… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 year ago

@Rollo Gentlemen, I’m going to be closing all comments on TRM posts except this one in the coming week. I’m sick of the recent bullshit, but this thread will remain open. i’m sorry to hear that… sooo, just on the off chance that you might get de-platformed, is there any way to get a copy of the website archive that is up to date?… and would you care if i did that?… assuming i can figure out how to…lol… i would hate to lose the commenters combined contributions to the effort… and up til now, i’ve never doubted that you… Read more »

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
1 year ago

@having a bad day These are all good points, cogently and delicately put — which I appreciate: https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-118/#comment-274362 I get your argument about my having tried to negotiate desire in contravention of the Iron Rule that ‘desire is not negotiable’ — “… hit it or quit it”. You have made me think about that attempting to lay down some rules — “lines in the sand … clear ultimata …”, etc, is merely to cave into the FI, and, on reflection, it seems that I am suffering from a misguided belief in scarcity, which probably stems from childhood. Issues to deal… Read more »

SJF
SJF
1 year ago

Tantum “You have made me think about that attempting to lay down some rules — “lines in the sand … clear ultimata …”, etc, is merely to cave into the FI, and, on reflection, it seems that I am suffering from a misguided belief in scarcity, which probably stems from childhood. Issues to deal with, and self-acceptance is undoubtedly the key. Read this: https://therationalmale.com/2012/05/07/ultimatum/ Ultimatums are declarations of powerlessness because you are resorting to a direct threat to get someone to do what you want them to, and in doing so you OVERTLY confess your weak position. If you were… Read more »

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
1 year ago

Gentlemen Thank you all for your insights and helpful advice regarding my break-up with Babushka. My summary take on your collective thoughts is: (1) Ghost her, build frame and move on to game new girls (this will build frame); (2) Trying to win her back is theoretically possible, but given my current lack of understanding and grasp of the theory and practice of game, this would amount to waste of time and could therefore either backfire or have more damaging consequences; (3) ‘Desire is non-negotiable’: any form of supplication to a woman is an instant turn-off, switches off her erotic… Read more »

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
1 year ago

@SJF “Tantum “You have made me think about that attempting to lay down some rules — “lines in the sand … clear ultimata …”, etc, is merely to cave into the FI, and, on reflection, it seems that I am suffering from a misguided belief in scarcity, which probably stems from childhood. Issues to deal with, and self-acceptance is undoubtedly the key. Read this: https://therationalmale.com/2012/05/07/ultimatum/ Ultimatums are declarations of powerlessness because you are resorting to a direct threat to get someone to do what you want them to, and in doing so you OVERTLY confess your weak position. If you… Read more »

IAS
IAS
1 year ago

@Rollo, everyone:

sorry to hear that you are closing the comments. Thanks for keeping this one open.

I agree the priority is to keep the main posts around.

If the FR section also needs to go eventually, I’d like to stay in touch with several of you guys.
Not sure what the best way to do that while keeping everyone partly anonymous.

IAS
IAS
1 year ago

@Rollo:

what is the status of TRP.Red / Forums.Red? I think you are involved with that at some level. Maybe they could host a FR section, separate from TRM.

@Commentators that have helped me (I’m pretty sure you know who you are): thanks again.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
1 year ago

sigh

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

IAS

If things go dark hop on a Red Man Group youtube thread… If that is still around…

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
1 year ago

“Well, sorry, but everyone gets to suffer now thanks to one piece of shit crying about getting his feelings hurt.”

Incel ScribblerG socially dominating himself into irrelevancy. Har-dee-har.

I briefly read Doktor Professor Goofball ScribblerG was challenging others to a YouTube debate…to which I accept!….under this one stipulation:

Melissa Theuriau will moderate and in French only.

IRL
IRL
1 year ago

(Test, getting stuck in mod)

IRL
IRL
1 year ago

@HABD is there any way to get a copy of the website archive that is up to date? That would be great. But… it’s all us, the living tissue of TRM. So post your unpublished notes, old dog. I know you have some. I have at least one longer piece that didn’t go past mods earlier this year. I’ll try to post it again. Maybe in parts? @IAS (and others) Reach out to Palma if you want to get in touch with me. @Palma if anyone fancies a random hotel bar encounter lol.. This glib mouthpiece lol For those who… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Gab is working on a wordpress alternative.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

IRL

Yeah the you tube thing would be a rally point for guys looking for the new spot.

theasdgamer
1 year ago

“I briefly read Doktor Professor Goofball ScribblerG”

That’s Field Marshall Doktor Professor Goofball ScribblerG to you.

Gab is supposedly a free speech alternative to Twitter. Maybe we should all get accounts on Gab so that we can stay in touch in case TRM gets taken down.

IRL
IRL
1 year ago

(Ok, here goes, part 1 of the old comment) @j To illustrate. there was this post on reddit (that I can’t find at the moment) where this guy did an experiment with his looks matched girlfriend (looks match for those of you who don’t know, means on a scale of 1-10 in looks they’d both be about equal give or take 1 point). they both download tinder or some hookup app for jokes to see which one of them could get the most swipe rights on their profile. The experiment backfired, when at the end of the experience the guy… Read more »

IRL
IRL
1 year ago

(Part 2) Nothing better than a breakdown, so let’s go to the source and dig deeper than the mere ‘fact’: [skipping the reddit link] A Tinder experiment with my [28M] girlfriend [27F] of 3 years has gone horribly wrong. Hi all. I’ve been with my girlfriend for 3 years and thereabouts, and all was going pretty well. I met her IRL, but before that I was having no success with the Tinder game. She, herself, never used it ever. 2 weeks ago, she was telling me about some of her friends’ horror stories on Tinder, and I laughed with her… Read more »

IRL
IRL
1 year ago

(Part 3) This is a very naive voice of someone who still negotiates desire. This story has some cuckold vibes to it and then the guy broadcasts it to the online crowd. Spot the ‘germs’. we decided to play […] a fun game : set up Tinder profiles of each other and see what happened “We decided to go to a swinger party to see what happens…. hahaha I showed her, there were more guys who wanted to jizz on her than girls who got wet for me… hahah…. I win!” And the obvious happened: after one week After one… Read more »

IRL
IRL
1 year ago

(Part 4) You know what makes her go through this existential LTR crisis? I call it a lesser man’s mindset. A weak man can’t help himself but submit/sacrifice. Women take it (why wouldn’t they?) but they don’t respect it. It’s evo-bio-psych. Look at redback spiders. Even if a redback male doesn’t die without finding a potential mate (80% of the cases), he becomes functionally sterile after one mating. So to maximize the chances of species survival he self-sacrifices and puts his abdomen directly onto the female’s fangs (65% of mating males get eaten). Get this: further extension of his life… Read more »

kfg
kfg
1 year ago

” . . . I’ve hacked the system and know how to bypass/mitigate all this male evo-bio-psych shit.” A man who thinks this may have been PUAed, but he hasn’t been red pilled. It isn’t about women, it’s about a system of inter sexual dynamics with babies all the way down. And saying, “That’s it, I’m not playing this game anymore,” is a play in the game. Put down the “game” books and read some basic biology and zoology. If you do not literally know what the birds and the bees (and the spiders, oh my!) do you won’t be… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
1 year ago

IRL, As kfg points out you can choose to bypass evo-bio all you want. The result is a disordered appearance. Evo-bio defines our animalistic purpose. I don’t think that’s the case with you. There is another quality of sexual success that you’re higher-order choosing to do. Animals don’t choose. That quality is surprise. Much of PUA is an attempt to teach the qualities of order and surprise. Combined those qualities create beauty. Women dig beautiful guys. The opposites of order and surprise are disorder and banality. Sexual success requires BOTH order/sensibility and mystery/surprise. Evo Bio chosen well-ordered gives a man… Read more »

IRL
IRL
1 year ago

@Eh I don’t think that’s the case with you. Interesting. When speaking to guys IRL, the first person form (‘I’ instead of ‘you’) bypasses their self-defense mechanism (‘not me!’) and plants the seed. Here, it triggers a helping hand. No worries, I’m good. Just ‘licentia poetica’. I’m fascinated by the phenomenon, not really scared/limited by it. On that note, if you dig deeper, you’ll see girls are functionally (logically) blind. They want someone to create their reality for them. They’re just sentient creatures floating in space, moving towards the light to survive and reproduce. Waiting for someone to be that… Read more »

Youngmaster
Youngmaster
1 year ago

There’s really nowhere else for me to express this, so I feel like just giving voice to my internal shape-forming that’s come to be as a result of looking into and digesting seduction and ISD redpill material. First I went through the MM and The Game. I took note of a lot of things, but the more I read about PUA stuff, the more I got into generalized seduction community and self improvement. It had always spurred me to self improve from the start of getting into this, but (which should come as no surprise) it’s been internalized as a… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
1 year ago

Hey, welcome back Youngmaster…. “I could continue my stream of consciousness about “natural game” and congruency and inner game and all that, but I won’t.” It’s cool you come to dump it here. Better than out there. You’ll get some backblast for being stupid or such as some replies are more about the replier than you. Keep your chin up. Anyhoo, check this out: You can’t get laid until you relax, and you can’t relax until you get laid. So what to do….??? I guess you could pre-establish your goals for the night and hit on a certain amount of… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

“And so now I’m at a crossroads ”

Go talk to girls.

j
j
1 year ago

@youngmaster “the best possible way to communicate my sexual intent with the greatest likelihood of such intent being accepted”. The greatest likelihood of your sexual intent being reciprocated by the girl of your choosing, comes once she has gotten a sense that you are above her level (perception is reality). It may happen almost immediately (you’re her ideal type, from a physical standpoint. These interaction from meet to sex don’t usually take long. as not much “game” is really needed. Just don’t be a fucking weirdo (which I understand, can be a challenge in itself)) or take time (which is… Read more »

SJF
SJF
1 year ago

YoungNonMaster You have no place else to vomit stuff? Get one. Your own personal vomitorium/auditorium. Go out in real life and get a group of guys. Start with one and expand that group. Get a buddy. Get a mentor. Get someone that you can do shit with. It is not easy. Ever hear of these guys called The Red Man Group? How the hell did that happen? How did a group on the internet learn stuff and then hang out. How did that Happen? They got lucky? They tried? They succeeded in providing content? What content was that? Go out… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

West Indian Archie has a few god things going on http://www.westindianarchie.com/the-black-nails-opener/ http://www.westindianarchie.com/body-language-resources/ Hey I wanted some advice on game Hey, so it looks like my game has slowed down or hit a wall. I want to move past it so I’m looking for advice. How can I do better? Where I’m at rn is I’m out let’s say once every 3 days, and even otherwise I’m approaching a lot of women, mostly women I find attractive. I’ve got a decent vibe going approaches, and I’m getting much better at both screening them, qualifying/disqualifying, and number closing. I have a close… Read more »

IRL
IRL
1 year ago

@Youngmaster I’m fully confident that if I apply myself, I could very feasibly become a James Bond archetype of seducer It’d be tragic to lose this confidence, wouldn’t it? Here’s the rub, that’s the first thing you should expect to happen: your confidence taking a hit. Accept that’s part of the process. Shift your mindset from stroking your ego to enjoying the challenge and learning the lessons. I mean, how hard can it be to face rejections from some strange silly girls? (lol at the assistant Alpha Chad, oh the irony) The infield is meh but that’s the whole point… Read more »

aaaSavage
aaaSavage
1 year ago

Rejection is just another brick in my awesome. Nothing to report, life is going awesome. Got a sub and she’s looking for a GF for us. I feel like I should be hitting the streets for practice but all in all I’m quite content. I don’t comment much but I have to say the red pill has changed my life in ways I never thought possible. I’m 43 with several plates, the youngest is 23 and rocking.

Rc
Rc
1 year ago

Hey all, I’ve been reading and following but had little to report – so I stfu. too bad about the comment section. I’m wondering whether the “quarantine” solution at reddit/mrp or even a simple forum with login could be feasible. I personally learn from the main posts as much as from the discussions. @Palma I noted down the address. Anyway, not too much to report. The quality of life has improved dramatically – for her as well, she is much happier and we fight waaay less, even compared to just a few months ago – but I still am on… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

RC “Anyway, not too much to report. The quality of life has improved dramatically – for her as well, she is much happier and we fight waaay less, even compared to just a few months ago ” Nice. Her being happier is due to your shaping her reality. Remember that when she shit tests you about “how you have changed”. Will help you to see those as her tests to reassert control, not get comfort. “but I still am on the basic monthly plan. ” What does this mean? Sex once a month? If so why? Why aren’t you initiating… Read more »

Rc
Rc
1 year ago

@sentient, yes I cut on some things as it was already getting tldr. The basic plan has been about two-three times per month. Maybe is slightly higher but sample size too small to tell really. I do initiate more often than that (probably three-four times per week) but she plays tired and I said I can’t follow up with withdrawing time because I’m already at the limit. Didn’t report because it wasn’t really new. I certainly do all the other stuff – which is probably part of why she sees me different and she is happier. In fact, my young… Read more »

j
j
1 year ago

@RC

About 8 months of consist M/W/F’s. consistency is the most important thing.

Pre workout:

500mg Agmatine Sulfate powder and a capsule of Caffeine+ L-Theanine 200mg/100mg.

Both are available on Nootropics Depot.

Post workout:

200mg MK 677 for muscle growth (get it from Purerawz right now. It’s usually out of stock). Increases hunger as well. So you can fit in those extra calories at the end of the day.

Exercise program I follow: Kino Body Warrior Shredding program. http://www.technicalgamebible.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Kinobody-Warrior-Shredding-Program.pdf

Rc
Rc
1 year ago

@j, thanks. I’ve done just a few months of 2/3 days per week (could get to 4 sometime) depending on time without training supplements and do intermittent fasting.

Was able to get some shape and growth and drop body fat but nowhere near the pictures in that book.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

RC On average, If you are initiating 3 or 4 times and closing once you need to up the dread and/or initiate earlier in the night. The way to tell if she is really tired or shutting you down is how fast she goes to sleep after she hits the pillow. Fatigue is a real thing in the grind with lids. If she is lights out within 5 minutes you meed to be I initiating earlier. On this “I thought caving to her request would have been a loss of frame ” It’s contextual. It def could be but look… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

“Was able to get some shape and growth and drop body fat but nowhere near the pictures in that book.”

Don’t be fooled by cut pics. Those guys attained whatever size they wanted then dropped bf percentage. If you want to get bigger you have to eat more. If you want to lose bf you have to eat less.

Or there are steroids.

Rc
Rc
1 year ago

@sentient, thanks I got it now I think.

On your point, I did plan to initiate after the gym; instead I was hit by tests as soon as I got into bed; and then she initiated.

I see the difference in the timing of things though.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

RC

OK the timing wasn’t clear from the OP. Good work handling the shit tests.

Youngmaster
Youngmaster
1 year ago

@Rc: as someone who’s been into lifting and a little bit into nutrition and diet since 2012, I’ll tell you that the results in that file take a while to achieve. Don’t worry about it. The single biggest thing is consistency. If you want the “shredded” look, that will take some specific dedication to watching your calorie intake, your macro nutrients, and when you eat; it’s more difficult to achieve such a look than simply to be a strongman physique and go bearmode, because the shredded look requires building muscle yet reducing fat which simply doesn’t happen simultaneously (hence the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Muscle is “shredded”, from the factory, and fat isn’t.

Rc
Rc
1 year ago

@youngmaster, @sentient, yes. It’s going to take a while but I’m all in. At this point I’m sick of being mediocre in anything and there’s no going back. I think I’m not in a bad position bodyfat-wise, my scale reports 13-15% if these estimates are anything precise. I imagine if I bulk up and keep the same % it’s already going to look and feel better. I mean I can already see a good difference after a few months. Last year I was able to go for about three months with the Alpha2.0 Romaniello’s book, with diet, sleep and everything.… Read more »

Rc
Rc
1 year ago

On the program I mean. Sorry it wasn’t clear.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

No opinion on programs and diets. When I was at peak shape my diet was frozen broccoli chunks, an occasional Happy Hour meatball, straight vodka and pussy.

Youngmaster
Youngmaster
1 year ago

@Rc: “I imagine if I bulk up and keep the same % it’s already going to look and feel better.” You won’t keep the same percent unless you’re trying to leanbulk which takes even longer. Standard powerlifting bulk routine is at a +500 kcal over TDEE per day, which results in 1lb of body mass gain a week. IIRC, 50% of that is muscle, and 50% of that is fat. There’s no way around that if you plan to bulk and cut; bulking while maintaining the same BFP the whole time is quite a slow process and you won’t progress… Read more »

Rc
Rc
1 year ago

Got it, thanks.

BasketBounce
BasketBounce
11 months ago

@Palmasailor

that’s a mindset shift that I should try out. Taking the piss out of women.

I get kind of depressed when I don’t go out because I feel that I’m not approaching enough. Similar to how an employee feels guilty when he’s on vacation so to speak.

Don’t look at approaching as a “job”. That’s not to say that I shouldn’t put in effort to refine my game and learn, but at the same time, going in with the mindset of “I must approach 20 girls tonight” is not exactly healthy either

Centuries
Centuries
11 months ago

“On top of that I’ve a standard tactic of purposefully getting women’s details wrong. Either their name or something else about them.”

Properly calibrated, it works on wives too.

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
11 months ago

@Palmsailor
Interesting strategy and clearly effective tactics.
So, the more you mockingly disparage these women, the more they crave your attention — all unwittingly aided by the other men trying to warn them off you.
I imagine her friends are now getting in line.

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

Palma / Basketbounce (from Archie’s place?) / Tantrum Someone might have the stats on this (j?) but if you indirectly open three sets OR just open one set after receiving an IOI you’ll probably do better than cold direct approach open of 20 sets.. Mystery does… The room is watching… You chatting up three different groups and all seem smiling and laughing and such warms up the whole room. Then he’d merge sets, taking things up another level… a direct approach is a DLV whereas an indirect approach is not. Indirect is a DHV because you are not needy… how… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

Basketbounce “That’s not to say that I shouldn’t put in effort to refine my game and learn, but at the same time, going in with the mindset of “I must approach 20 girls tonight” is not exactly healthy either” Doing lots of approaches is necessary – if you need to get over approach anxiety. Once you are over that you can “relax into it” and just go about enjoying yourself and building on that. The key is you are OUT, not sitting home KJing. If you are OUT you put yourself in positions for good things to happen. My mantra… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

Palma Now all of the men in this group have warned the women about me. Doing the work establishing your Secret Society bona fides. Buy them a round! But this stuff gives you great license to live up to expectations. You become “that guy” and when the girls think you are “that guy” you can “get away with” anything… As Rollo says all the time, they make rules for betas and break rules for alphas… It is interesting though, once they put you into the “that guy” slot, suddenly every look you give and everything you say is taken sexually…… Read more »

WIA
WIA
11 months ago

Leave it to our Chinese brethren to police p-stars. Facial Recognition from videos to match up with social media.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kxny7/diy-facial-recognition-for-porn-weibo?utm_source=vicetwitterus

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
11 months ago

@Palmasailor

Many thanks for the explanation. It seems to me that it’s all about getting a reaction out of the women, while showing, as you have previously said, that you don’t ‘give a fuck’.

I like your standard diffuser for dealing with a narky woman: “ouch remind me not to talk to you again unless you’ve had your shredded wheat for breakfast”.

I get it, as I suspect that I am from the same side of the pond as you are. 🙂

TantumErgo

BasketBounce
BasketBounce
11 months ago

@Sentient Yeah, BasketBounce from WIA’s site. He posted a link to this comment section. I read some comments here, and there were some gems. For example, the recent discussion on indirect vs direct approaches. About approaching lots of girls — I still have minor approach anxiety, but it’s normal…like I’m not so scared that I won’t approach a girl, a two set, or a group. So I’m passed the stage where I do an approach for the sake of it. now I’m more interested in learning how to smoothly open mixed sets and merge sets. I would be going out… Read more »

j
j
11 months ago

One of the best things I’ve read this year: http://maleprivilege.net/viewtopic.php?t=2 some quotes: “Recognizing that self-improvement was a long-term goal and that people couldn’t be reasonably expected to swear completely off sexual and romantic relationships until they had attained it, the new school advocated a halfway stage dubbed “fake it till you make it” in which players would employ deception to a limited extent—as limited as possible—while working towards their self-improvement goals and gradually phasing out deception as they attained them. At any rate the new school was generally convinced that genuine value trumped deception any day of the week, and… Read more »

theasdgamer
11 months ago

“Game is about deception.” Not quite. Many things in game aren’t about deception and it isn’t necessary to deceive to be proficient at game. Game is about reading people and testing people. No deception necessary there. Game is about having options and making people compete for your time, energy, money, attention, etc. No deception there. Game is about being dominant. No deception there. Game is about having value. No deception there. Game is about getting people to do what you want. You can use deception as part of your game, but it isn’t necessary. For example, you can set up… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

Palma

Pretty strong iois…

A guy takes an std test and waits 3 weeks etc. Fascinating…

Basketbounce

Welcome man. I think you will like this area. Pretty free from retards so far and no moderation.

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

J

Be careful on that site. Roosh guys outed that dude as a wanna be child molester. Something about him looking to pose as a 16yo online to get with 14yos.

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

Plus he is a retard. “Fake it till you make it” was about confidence – not lying. Well except to yourself.

j
j
11 months ago

@Sentient lol. He actually said this wrt to banging underage girls in his post: “If there was some way I could pass for a 16-year-old and get a chance to bang virginal 14- and 15-year-olds again you bet your ass I would try it, but as things stand I cannot and my chances with that age group are minimal (which doesn’t stop me from trying every now and then, by the way, since the numbers game is the numbers game, amen).” But overall, a lot of what he wrote resonated with me. There’s a lot of of good shit in… Read more »

theasdgamer
11 months ago

“All text game is deception too, since the number one rule there is not to text when you want to text, nor what you would like to text, but to text specific types of messages at prespecified intervals”

He’s preaching self-control, not deception, as a means of achieving his mission. Lines up with 48 Laws of Power. Not a clear thinker, tho.

theasdgamer
11 months ago

Finally, J’s expert leaves this gem floating in his blog…“What I’ve been trying to demonstrate to you for the last few pages, ultimately, is that deception is the fil rouge that runs right through all types of game”

say what?

Guess his next book will expose game’s deceptiveness and he’ll sell it to the churchian anti-game white-knights.

having a bad day
having a bad day
11 months ago

@Sentient

Palma

Pretty strong iois…

A guy takes an std test and waits 3 weeks etc. Fascinating…

just looked this up under the definition of beta thirst…lol

Basket bounce

Welcome man. I think you will like this area. Pretty free from retards so far and no moderation.

+1…

good luck!

Playdontpay
Playdontpay
11 months ago

Wow we’ve got to a point where a direct approach is considered a DLV in comparison with an indirect approach ? Ok now I’ve got to disagree, sounds like Male hamstering, I see something I like I don’t wait for an IOI or proximity or some “excuse “ to talk to her I just Fucking talk to her because I’m a MAN and that’s how it works FFS .

j
j
11 months ago

“I see something I like I don’t wait for an IOI or proximity or some “excuse “ to talk to her I just Fucking talk to her because I’m a MAN and that’s how it works FFS” Direct: putting your hand on her waist and squeezing, “hey sexy what’s your name?” Indirect: “Hey. your name isn’t Jennifer is it?” Target: um no?. “oh, because that girl over there told me….wait is that a french accent? (open loop: what did that girl over there say?). Don’t fucking tell me you’re from paris too haha”. Nothing to do with waiting for IOIs… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

Playdontpay

Don’t be stupid broski. Direct means communicating intent. It doesnt mean talking to girls.

Have you heard of the 3 second rule?

You can be a MAN and see a girl and go talk to her and not be direct in communicating your intent.

If you do show intent you force her to judge you right then and there on scant info.

Low probability play.

theasdgamer
11 months ago

Sentient, I think that a lot of guys get the impression that game is a numbers thing because they always communicate their intent up front. When you use direct game, of course it’s a numbers thing. But that’s not really game because you never give the girl a chance to know you and your charm. Direct = higher numbers and low probability (looks is key) Indirect = lower numbers and higher probability (probability depends on game proficiency; looks is less important) Direct and indirect game are opposite strategies. That being said, there’s always room for girls to be retarded and… Read more »

aaaSavage
aaaSavage
11 months ago

That story is hilarious @palmasailor. I generally refuse to buy a woman drinks unless she has bought me one first just on principal.

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
11 months ago

@Palmsailor

Re: Damore v The Gulag

Just how far does the feminocracy go at the Gulag? Clearly there is an absolute believe in impunity on the part of those people voicing vitriolic and abusive comments, as they believe that the FI will protect them.

TantumErgo

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
11 months ago

@Palmsailor

I think that you are right in that it goes all the way to the top.

In the environments in which I work, this is becoming increasingly endemic.

As @Rollo might well say, the commissars at the Gulag appear to be conducting themselves according to ‘the second set of books’ — the unwritten ‘rules’ governed by the FI which supersede primary laws relating to equality.

TantumErgo

TantumErgo
TantumErgo
11 months ago
Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

Update on DT Girl So the post from the really bad awful no good text shows me it was 29 days ago. https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-117/#comment-274023 I haven’t seen her or texted since then. I knew she was going overseas for a few weeks. figured I’d just wait and run into her again. Went by the spot a couple of times, hasn’t been around. I went today got breakfast and sat down in the corner. I’m finishing up and she pulls up with two little kids like 5-6 YOs. She goes to the counter and sits with them, she can’t see me in… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
11 months ago

@Sentient Update on DT Girl … Questioning whether to send a text again in a few days, try to reopen this or just pop round and run into her again, take the chance she is with kids or not. Leaning towards a text. “Now that your back, what are you up to?” or something. still expecting almost any feeler to be met with bad logistics. Gut is starting to say go more direct. Thoughts? by the numbers… how do you re-establish contact after going dark?… = ping text to ‘join you’ while out somewhere enjoying your life without her… the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

HABD

= ping text to ‘join you’ while out somewhere enjoying your life without her…

Yeah, but how to overcome the near certainty that she will always be “busy” at that time with work or kids?

Me: [ping!] Not getting coffee atm.
Her: Hey
Me: Having a drink at XYZ, come join me.
Her: I have to pick my kid up, I’m out grocery shopping, I’m at work [etc. etc. etc.]

having a bad day
having a bad day
11 months ago

@Sentient Yeah, but how to overcome the near certainty that she will always be “busy” at that time with work or kids? i repeat… the concept/dynamic doesn’t change just bc you’re a snowflake…lol… so, pitch the meet at a time when the kids aren’t around… does dad get visitation?… = perfect time to meet… what would we tell Culum?… = just have to wait her out, right?… Me: [ping!] Not getting coffee atm. Her: Hey Me: Having a drink at XYZ, come join me. Her: I have to pick my kid up, I’m out grocery shopping, I’m at work [etc.… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

HABD

unless you want to be chasing her… it will most likely depend on her cycle, yo!…lol… let her hindbrain/hamster be your helper… at this point, it really is a long game process…

And where is the line between a “long game process” and “chasing”?

having a bad day
having a bad day
11 months ago

@Sentient And where is the line between a “long game process” and “chasing”? frame… = MPoO… = are you inviting her into your world (and she agrees), OR is she expecting you to accommodate her… with you agreeing to that… = frame battle… the ‘process’ of going dark normally works bc it is targeting more than just the one girl… and if any ‘one’ doesn’t show up no big deal… but this situ is more difficult… remember, you picked the hardest target known to teh man0sphere…lol… a hot girl in that epiphany phase demographic (with young kids no less…lol)… and… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

HABD

“OR” – the key point.

Palma

Sounds like you left an impression on that woman.

On this one, it’s more a test of game that oneitis. I want to succeed here. I really don’t know much about her [no idea what her babby daddy situ is, or other guys etc. I never ask, usually they will bring it up] and she still doesn’t know my name, as far as I know…

We will see. Probably go the bump into route once more a week out.

having a bad day
having a bad day
11 months ago

@palmasailor @Sentient Perhaps it’s a pond thing but I never have any clue what HABD means by half the things he says so I’m Probably not getting what he’s saying at all. you probably understand just fine… there are some little nuances that i assume @Sentient knows… see below… but mostly it’s not that hard… and you seem to ‘get it’ just fine… and props! for that… bc it might not seem like it to you, but i can tell by your commenting that you’ve actually absorbed some of the more critical RP theory that you didn’t seem to have… Read more »

j
j
11 months ago

“It’s a bit oneitisey but I think @Sentient has a bit of a thing for this one”

it’s not. Sentient just wants to satisfy his ego of finally banging (and it looks as if it’ll be a one time thing as her schedule doesn’t seem conducive for a long term Fuckbuddy thing) this seemingly “hard to get” 40 year old lol….

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

Palma “Wondering if the interaction was a bit dry, not much teasing?” On this. Yeah it was dry, but it was intentional on my part. When I saw the kids I knew this was not going anywhere and I didn’t want to engage in that situation. So when she held her distance 10 feet away I was just into “shrug off” mode, basic social stuff. This was also the firs time seeing her since the text a month back, so just wanted to be chill and not outcome dependent at all. Just “I see you, and I see what you… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

J

Game is about being the chooser not the chosen. If you can’t exercise your will, it’s not very good is it?

I encourage you to try and get what you want, not just what the field offers up.

j
j
11 months ago

“Game is about being the chooser not the chosen”.

how’s that working out for you?

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

J

“how’s that working out for you?”

This probably sounded better in your head, didn’t it?

It’s working just fine, this is the chronicle.

Try it – go out – pick one girl [before she sees you] and proceed to conclusion…

having a bad day
having a bad day
11 months ago

@Sentient On this. Yeah it was dry, but it was intentional on my part. When I saw the kids I knew this was not going anywhere and I didn’t want to engage in that situation. So when she held her distance 10 feet away I was just into “shrug off” mode, basic social stuff. This was also the firs time seeing her since the text a month back, so just wanted to be chill and not outcome dependent at all. Just “I see you, and I see what you got here” and move on to the next time. how was… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

“how was your EC/lasering?… subcomms count, yo!”

Ha. They were good. Relaxed, slight smirk, eye contact etc. Head nod on the way out, after she said bye..

Rudolph
Rudolph
11 months ago

I poked my head in here as a preface to hashing some things out with you guys and find the whole thing with Sentient’s single mom rather interesting. No matter what tactic you take or what you’re looking for there you have to work it around her not having the kids unless you’re going to go the beta bucks route of a full on date. I suspect her schedule would clear up real fast for a “proper” night out. I also read only this page (119 in my browser) and found interesting from Palma about the direct approach being a… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

Rudolph

Just remember that “direct as a DLV” is just in regard to your intentions, not approach, talking, opening her up. So go talk to those girls walking around, just don’t tell them they are hot and you want to bang them, right off…

Sentient
Sentient
11 months ago

Palma

“** more likely she’s unconsciously sizing you up for a branch swing.”

I’d have expected her to ask about the wedding ring by now if that was the case.

Rudolph
Rudolph
11 months ago

just don’t tell them they are hot and you want to bang them, right off… Nice. My game isn’t that big of a disaster. It needs some work. I need some work. I have a pretty good grasp of what not to do. Just need much more in regards to avoiding automatic disqualification/getting beta bucks tracked. But that is again a population issue and times issue. For example. I have an acquaintance at my weekend gig. She’s 38-42-ish by looks and an eight-year old. Still slender but she’s not all that attractive. Not ugly by any means but 6.5 for… Read more »

Rudolph
Rudolph
11 months ago

Palmasailor @Rudolph You need proximity- just ask the silver fox. Yeah. The timing is tricky. They come from the building to the garage without using the crosswalk at the corner. So I don’t get in ear shot enough. And there is the entire hurry to get home from work thing after darting across traffic. Weird distances and not enough consistency with seeing the likely candidates. There are few ways to play it that aren’t thirsty no matter how casual you are because you pass too quickly or too far away. The idea I have is to maybe peacock a bit… Read more »

Rudolph
Rudolph
11 months ago

Palmasailor @Rudolph If your about my age 51, a bit of bux isn’t bad because otherwise you’re a loser. And losers aren’t really fuckable. Explain the “seething resentment” .. pro tip … why does she even care? No idea. It is just a straight up active bitch face and shitty attitude/barely polite towards me. I’ve gotten it from the jump. It’s cooled down a bit. I’d get it if she were movie star good looking but I don’t know where it’s coming from. The only move I’ve made is my standard charming smile. I haven’t bothered trying to get to… Read more »

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