For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
Rejection is just another brick in my awesome. Nothing to report, life is going awesome. Got a sub and she’s looking for a GF for us. I feel like I should be hitting the streets for practice but all in all I’m quite content. I don’t comment much but I have to say the red pill has changed my life in ways I never thought possible. I’m 43 with several plates, the youngest is 23 and rocking.
Hey all, I’ve been reading and following but had little to report – so I stfu. too bad about the comment section. I’m wondering whether the “quarantine” solution at reddit/mrp or even a simple forum with login could be feasible. I personally learn from the main posts as much as from the discussions. @Palma I noted down the address. Anyway, not too much to report. The quality of life has improved dramatically – for her as well, she is much happier and we fight waaay less, even compared to just a few months ago – but I still am on… Read more »
RC “Anyway, not too much to report. The quality of life has improved dramatically – for her as well, she is much happier and we fight waaay less, even compared to just a few months ago ” Nice. Her being happier is due to your shaping her reality. Remember that when she shit tests you about “how you have changed”. Will help you to see those as her tests to reassert control, not get comfort. “but I still am on the basic monthly plan. ” What does this mean? Sex once a month? If so why? Why aren’t you initiating… Read more »
@sentient, yes I cut on some things as it was already getting tldr. The basic plan has been about two-three times per month. Maybe is slightly higher but sample size too small to tell really. I do initiate more often than that (probably three-four times per week) but she plays tired and I said I can’t follow up with withdrawing time because I’m already at the limit. Didn’t report because it wasn’t really new. I certainly do all the other stuff – which is probably part of why she sees me different and she is happier. In fact, my young… Read more »
@RC
About 8 months of consist M/W/F’s. consistency is the most important thing.
Pre workout:
500mg Agmatine Sulfate powder and a capsule of Caffeine+ L-Theanine 200mg/100mg.
Both are available on Nootropics Depot.
Post workout:
200mg MK 677 for muscle growth (get it from Purerawz right now. It’s usually out of stock). Increases hunger as well. So you can fit in those extra calories at the end of the day.
Exercise program I follow: Kino Body Warrior Shredding program. http://www.technicalgamebible.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Kinobody-Warrior-Shredding-Program.pdf
@j, thanks. I’ve done just a few months of 2/3 days per week (could get to 4 sometime) depending on time without training supplements and do intermittent fasting.
Was able to get some shape and growth and drop body fat but nowhere near the pictures in that book.
RC On average, If you are initiating 3 or 4 times and closing once you need to up the dread and/or initiate earlier in the night. The way to tell if she is really tired or shutting you down is how fast she goes to sleep after she hits the pillow. Fatigue is a real thing in the grind with lids. If she is lights out within 5 minutes you meed to be I initiating earlier. On this “I thought caving to her request would have been a loss of frame ” It’s contextual. It def could be but look… Read more »
“Was able to get some shape and growth and drop body fat but nowhere near the pictures in that book.”
Don’t be fooled by cut pics. Those guys attained whatever size they wanted then dropped bf percentage. If you want to get bigger you have to eat more. If you want to lose bf you have to eat less.
Or there are steroids.
@sentient, thanks I got it now I think.
On your point, I did plan to initiate after the gym; instead I was hit by tests as soon as I got into bed; and then she initiated.
I see the difference in the timing of things though.
RC
OK the timing wasn’t clear from the OP. Good work handling the shit tests.
@Rc: as someone who’s been into lifting and a little bit into nutrition and diet since 2012, I’ll tell you that the results in that file take a while to achieve. Don’t worry about it. The single biggest thing is consistency. If you want the “shredded” look, that will take some specific dedication to watching your calorie intake, your macro nutrients, and when you eat; it’s more difficult to achieve such a look than simply to be a strongman physique and go bearmode, because the shredded look requires building muscle yet reducing fat which simply doesn’t happen simultaneously (hence the… Read more »
Muscle is “shredded”, from the factory, and fat isn’t.
@youngmaster, @sentient, yes. It’s going to take a while but I’m all in. At this point I’m sick of being mediocre in anything and there’s no going back. I think I’m not in a bad position bodyfat-wise, my scale reports 13-15% if these estimates are anything precise. I imagine if I bulk up and keep the same % it’s already going to look and feel better. I mean I can already see a good difference after a few months. Last year I was able to go for about three months with the Alpha2.0 Romaniello’s book, with diet, sleep and everything.… Read more »
On the program I mean. Sorry it wasn’t clear.
No opinion on programs and diets. When I was at peak shape my diet was frozen broccoli chunks, an occasional Happy Hour meatball, straight vodka and pussy.
@Rc: “I imagine if I bulk up and keep the same % it’s already going to look and feel better.” You won’t keep the same percent unless you’re trying to leanbulk which takes even longer. Standard powerlifting bulk routine is at a +500 kcal over TDEE per day, which results in 1lb of body mass gain a week. IIRC, 50% of that is muscle, and 50% of that is fat. There’s no way around that if you plan to bulk and cut; bulking while maintaining the same BFP the whole time is quite a slow process and you won’t progress… Read more »
Got it, thanks.
@Palmasailor
that’s a mindset shift that I should try out. Taking the piss out of women.
I get kind of depressed when I don’t go out because I feel that I’m not approaching enough. Similar to how an employee feels guilty when he’s on vacation so to speak.
Don’t look at approaching as a “job”. That’s not to say that I shouldn’t put in effort to refine my game and learn, but at the same time, going in with the mindset of “I must approach 20 girls tonight” is not exactly healthy either
“On top of that I’ve a standard tactic of purposefully getting women’s details wrong. Either their name or something else about them.”
Properly calibrated, it works on wives too.
@Palmsailor
Interesting strategy and clearly effective tactics.
So, the more you mockingly disparage these women, the more they crave your attention — all unwittingly aided by the other men trying to warn them off you.
I imagine her friends are now getting in line.
Palma / Basketbounce (from Archie’s place?) / Tantrum Someone might have the stats on this (j?) but if you indirectly open three sets OR just open one set after receiving an IOI you’ll probably do better than cold direct approach open of 20 sets.. Mystery does… The room is watching… You chatting up three different groups and all seem smiling and laughing and such warms up the whole room. Then he’d merge sets, taking things up another level… a direct approach is a DLV whereas an indirect approach is not. Indirect is a DHV because you are not needy… how… Read more »
Basketbounce “That’s not to say that I shouldn’t put in effort to refine my game and learn, but at the same time, going in with the mindset of “I must approach 20 girls tonight” is not exactly healthy either” Doing lots of approaches is necessary – if you need to get over approach anxiety. Once you are over that you can “relax into it” and just go about enjoying yourself and building on that. The key is you are OUT, not sitting home KJing. If you are OUT you put yourself in positions for good things to happen. My mantra… Read more »
Palma Now all of the men in this group have warned the women about me. Doing the work establishing your Secret Society bona fides. Buy them a round! But this stuff gives you great license to live up to expectations. You become “that guy” and when the girls think you are “that guy” you can “get away with” anything… As Rollo says all the time, they make rules for betas and break rules for alphas… It is interesting though, once they put you into the “that guy” slot, suddenly every look you give and everything you say is taken sexually…… Read more »
Leave it to our Chinese brethren to police p-stars. Facial Recognition from videos to match up with social media.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kxny7/diy-facial-recognition-for-porn-weibo?utm_source=vicetwitterus
@Palmasailor
Many thanks for the explanation. It seems to me that it’s all about getting a reaction out of the women, while showing, as you have previously said, that you don’t ‘give a fuck’.
I like your standard diffuser for dealing with a narky woman: “ouch remind me not to talk to you again unless you’ve had your shredded wheat for breakfast”.
I get it, as I suspect that I am from the same side of the pond as you are. 🙂
TantumErgo
@Sentient Yeah, BasketBounce from WIA’s site. He posted a link to this comment section. I read some comments here, and there were some gems. For example, the recent discussion on indirect vs direct approaches. About approaching lots of girls — I still have minor approach anxiety, but it’s normal…like I’m not so scared that I won’t approach a girl, a two set, or a group. So I’m passed the stage where I do an approach for the sake of it. now I’m more interested in learning how to smoothly open mixed sets and merge sets. I would be going out… Read more »
One of the best things I’ve read this year: http://maleprivilege.net/viewtopic.php?t=2 some quotes: “Recognizing that self-improvement was a long-term goal and that people couldn’t be reasonably expected to swear completely off sexual and romantic relationships until they had attained it, the new school advocated a halfway stage dubbed “fake it till you make it” in which players would employ deception to a limited extent—as limited as possible—while working towards their self-improvement goals and gradually phasing out deception as they attained them. At any rate the new school was generally convinced that genuine value trumped deception any day of the week, and… Read more »
“Game is about deception.” Not quite. Many things in game aren’t about deception and it isn’t necessary to deceive to be proficient at game. Game is about reading people and testing people. No deception necessary there. Game is about having options and making people compete for your time, energy, money, attention, etc. No deception there. Game is about being dominant. No deception there. Game is about having value. No deception there. Game is about getting people to do what you want. You can use deception as part of your game, but it isn’t necessary. For example, you can set up… Read more »
http://www.ericmrozek.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/implied-facepalm.png
Palma
Pretty strong iois…
A guy takes an std test and waits 3 weeks etc. Fascinating…
Basketbounce
Welcome man. I think you will like this area. Pretty free from retards so far and no moderation.
J
Be careful on that site. Roosh guys outed that dude as a wanna be child molester. Something about him looking to pose as a 16yo online to get with 14yos.
Plus he is a retard. “Fake it till you make it” was about confidence – not lying. Well except to yourself.
@Sentient lol. He actually said this wrt to banging underage girls in his post: “If there was some way I could pass for a 16-year-old and get a chance to bang virginal 14- and 15-year-olds again you bet your ass I would try it, but as things stand I cannot and my chances with that age group are minimal (which doesn’t stop me from trying every now and then, by the way, since the numbers game is the numbers game, amen).” But overall, a lot of what he wrote resonated with me. There’s a lot of of good shit in… Read more »
“All text game is deception too, since the number one rule there is not to text when you want to text, nor what you would like to text, but to text specific types of messages at prespecified intervals”
He’s preaching self-control, not deception, as a means of achieving his mission. Lines up with 48 Laws of Power. Not a clear thinker, tho.
Finally, J’s expert leaves this gem floating in his blog…“What I’ve been trying to demonstrate to you for the last few pages, ultimately, is that deception is the fil rouge that runs right through all types of game”
say what?
Guess his next book will expose game’s deceptiveness and he’ll sell it to the churchian anti-game white-knights.
@Sentient
Palma
Pretty strong iois…
A guy takes an std test and waits 3 weeks etc. Fascinating…
just looked this up under the definition of beta thirst…lol
Basket bounce
Welcome man. I think you will like this area. Pretty free from retards so far and no moderation.
+1…
good luck!
Wow we’ve got to a point where a direct approach is considered a DLV in comparison with an indirect approach ? Ok now I’ve got to disagree, sounds like Male hamstering, I see something I like I don’t wait for an IOI or proximity or some “excuse “ to talk to her I just Fucking talk to her because I’m a MAN and that’s how it works FFS .
“I see something I like I don’t wait for an IOI or proximity or some “excuse “ to talk to her I just Fucking talk to her because I’m a MAN and that’s how it works FFS” Direct: putting your hand on her waist and squeezing, “hey sexy what’s your name?” Indirect: “Hey. your name isn’t Jennifer is it?” Target: um no?. “oh, because that girl over there told me….wait is that a french accent? (open loop: what did that girl over there say?). Don’t fucking tell me you’re from paris too haha”. Nothing to do with waiting for IOIs… Read more »
Playdontpay
Don’t be stupid broski. Direct means communicating intent. It doesnt mean talking to girls.
Have you heard of the 3 second rule?
You can be a MAN and see a girl and go talk to her and not be direct in communicating your intent.
If you do show intent you force her to judge you right then and there on scant info.
Low probability play.
Sentient, I think that a lot of guys get the impression that game is a numbers thing because they always communicate their intent up front. When you use direct game, of course it’s a numbers thing. But that’s not really game because you never give the girl a chance to know you and your charm. Direct = higher numbers and low probability (looks is key) Indirect = lower numbers and higher probability (probability depends on game proficiency; looks is less important) Direct and indirect game are opposite strategies. That being said, there’s always room for girls to be retarded and… Read more »
That story is hilarious @palmasailor. I generally refuse to buy a woman drinks unless she has bought me one first just on principal.
@Palmsailor
Re: Damore v The Gulag
Just how far does the feminocracy go at the Gulag? Clearly there is an absolute believe in impunity on the part of those people voicing vitriolic and abusive comments, as they believe that the FI will protect them.
TantumErgo
@Palmsailor
I think that you are right in that it goes all the way to the top.
In the environments in which I work, this is becoming increasingly endemic.
As @Rollo might well say, the commissars at the Gulag appear to be conducting themselves according to ‘the second set of books’ — the unwritten ‘rules’ governed by the FI which supersede primary laws relating to equality.
TantumErgo
Getting away with murder:
https://news.sky.com/story/mother-who-drowned-her-young-twins-will-not-face-murder-trial-11739793
Update on DT Girl So the post from the really bad awful no good text shows me it was 29 days ago. https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-117/#comment-274023 I haven’t seen her or texted since then. I knew she was going overseas for a few weeks. figured I’d just wait and run into her again. Went by the spot a couple of times, hasn’t been around. I went today got breakfast and sat down in the corner. I’m finishing up and she pulls up with two little kids like 5-6 YOs. She goes to the counter and sits with them, she can’t see me in… Read more »
@Sentient Update on DT Girl … Questioning whether to send a text again in a few days, try to reopen this or just pop round and run into her again, take the chance she is with kids or not. Leaning towards a text. “Now that your back, what are you up to?” or something. still expecting almost any feeler to be met with bad logistics. Gut is starting to say go more direct. Thoughts? by the numbers… how do you re-establish contact after going dark?… = ping text to ‘join you’ while out somewhere enjoying your life without her… the… Read more »
HABD
= ping text to ‘join you’ while out somewhere enjoying your life without her…
Yeah, but how to overcome the near certainty that she will always be “busy” at that time with work or kids?
Me: [ping!] Not getting coffee atm.
Her: Hey
Me: Having a drink at XYZ, come join me.
Her: I have to pick my kid up, I’m out grocery shopping, I’m at work [etc. etc. etc.]
@Sentient Yeah, but how to overcome the near certainty that she will always be “busy” at that time with work or kids? i repeat… the concept/dynamic doesn’t change just bc you’re a snowflake…lol… so, pitch the meet at a time when the kids aren’t around… does dad get visitation?… = perfect time to meet… what would we tell Culum?… = just have to wait her out, right?… Me: [ping!] Not getting coffee atm. Her: Hey Me: Having a drink at XYZ, come join me. Her: I have to pick my kid up, I’m out grocery shopping, I’m at work [etc.… Read more »
HABD
unless you want to be chasing her… it will most likely depend on her cycle, yo!…lol… let her hindbrain/hamster be your helper… at this point, it really is a long game process…
And where is the line between a “long game process” and “chasing”?
@Sentient And where is the line between a “long game process” and “chasing”? frame… = MPoO… = are you inviting her into your world (and she agrees), OR is she expecting you to accommodate her… with you agreeing to that… = frame battle… the ‘process’ of going dark normally works bc it is targeting more than just the one girl… and if any ‘one’ doesn’t show up no big deal… but this situ is more difficult… remember, you picked the hardest target known to teh man0sphere…lol… a hot girl in that epiphany phase demographic (with young kids no less…lol)… and… Read more »
HABD
“OR” – the key point.
Palma
Sounds like you left an impression on that woman.
On this one, it’s more a test of game that oneitis. I want to succeed here. I really don’t know much about her [no idea what her babby daddy situ is, or other guys etc. I never ask, usually they will bring it up] and she still doesn’t know my name, as far as I know…
We will see. Probably go the bump into route once more a week out.
@palmasailor @Sentient Perhaps it’s a pond thing but I never have any clue what HABD means by half the things he says so I’m Probably not getting what he’s saying at all. you probably understand just fine… there are some little nuances that i assume @Sentient knows… see below… but mostly it’s not that hard… and you seem to ‘get it’ just fine… and props! for that… bc it might not seem like it to you, but i can tell by your commenting that you’ve actually absorbed some of the more critical RP theory that you didn’t seem to have… Read more »
“It’s a bit oneitisey but I think @Sentient has a bit of a thing for this one”
it’s not. Sentient just wants to satisfy his ego of finally banging (and it looks as if it’ll be a one time thing as her schedule doesn’t seem conducive for a long term Fuckbuddy thing) this seemingly “hard to get” 40 year old lol….
Palma “Wondering if the interaction was a bit dry, not much teasing?” On this. Yeah it was dry, but it was intentional on my part. When I saw the kids I knew this was not going anywhere and I didn’t want to engage in that situation. So when she held her distance 10 feet away I was just into “shrug off” mode, basic social stuff. This was also the firs time seeing her since the text a month back, so just wanted to be chill and not outcome dependent at all. Just “I see you, and I see what you… Read more »
J
Game is about being the chooser not the chosen. If you can’t exercise your will, it’s not very good is it?
I encourage you to try and get what you want, not just what the field offers up.
“Game is about being the chooser not the chosen”.
how’s that working out for you?
J
“how’s that working out for you?”
This probably sounded better in your head, didn’t it?
It’s working just fine, this is the chronicle.
Try it – go out – pick one girl [before she sees you] and proceed to conclusion…
@Sentient On this. Yeah it was dry, but it was intentional on my part. When I saw the kids I knew this was not going anywhere and I didn’t want to engage in that situation. So when she held her distance 10 feet away I was just into “shrug off” mode, basic social stuff. This was also the firs time seeing her since the text a month back, so just wanted to be chill and not outcome dependent at all. Just “I see you, and I see what you got here” and move on to the next time. how was… Read more »
“how was your EC/lasering?… subcomms count, yo!”
Ha. They were good. Relaxed, slight smirk, eye contact etc. Head nod on the way out, after she said bye..
I poked my head in here as a preface to hashing some things out with you guys and find the whole thing with Sentient’s single mom rather interesting. No matter what tactic you take or what you’re looking for there you have to work it around her not having the kids unless you’re going to go the beta bucks route of a full on date. I suspect her schedule would clear up real fast for a “proper” night out. I also read only this page (119 in my browser) and found interesting from Palma about the direct approach being a… Read more »
Rudolph
Just remember that “direct as a DLV” is just in regard to your intentions, not approach, talking, opening her up. So go talk to those girls walking around, just don’t tell them they are hot and you want to bang them, right off…
Palma
“** more likely she’s unconsciously sizing you up for a branch swing.”
I’d have expected her to ask about the wedding ring by now if that was the case.
just don’t tell them they are hot and you want to bang them, right off… Nice. My game isn’t that big of a disaster. It needs some work. I need some work. I have a pretty good grasp of what not to do. Just need much more in regards to avoiding automatic disqualification/getting beta bucks tracked. But that is again a population issue and times issue. For example. I have an acquaintance at my weekend gig. She’s 38-42-ish by looks and an eight-year old. Still slender but she’s not all that attractive. Not ugly by any means but 6.5 for… Read more »
Palmasailor @Rudolph You need proximity- just ask the silver fox. Yeah. The timing is tricky. They come from the building to the garage without using the crosswalk at the corner. So I don’t get in ear shot enough. And there is the entire hurry to get home from work thing after darting across traffic. Weird distances and not enough consistency with seeing the likely candidates. There are few ways to play it that aren’t thirsty no matter how casual you are because you pass too quickly or too far away. The idea I have is to maybe peacock a bit… Read more »
Palmasailor @Rudolph If your about my age 51, a bit of bux isn’t bad because otherwise you’re a loser. And losers aren’t really fuckable. Explain the “seething resentment” .. pro tip … why does she even care? No idea. It is just a straight up active bitch face and shitty attitude/barely polite towards me. I’ve gotten it from the jump. It’s cooled down a bit. I’d get it if she were movie star good looking but I don’t know where it’s coming from. The only move I’ve made is my standard charming smile. I haven’t bothered trying to get to… Read more »
@Rudolph Yeah. The timing is tricky. They come from the building to the garage without using the crosswalk at the corner. So I don’t get in ear shot enough. And there is the entire hurry to get home from work thing after darting across traffic. Weird distances and not enough consistency with seeing the likely candidates. There are few ways to play it that aren’t thirsty no matter how casual you are because you pass too quickly or too far away. The idea I have is to maybe peacock a bit about the pedestrian plaza nearby for lunch. There is… Read more »
why would you think ‘setting up’ in/around a parking garage (ie stalker central…lol) is a good idea?… serious question… haven’t you ever seen ANY low budget horror movies?…lol
I am not “setting up” there. I park there. I am on my way to my car in a similar space of time every day. I see girls who work similar schedules to me with regularity. A couple of them are cute. But the timing doesn’t work out in as you note any sort of non-thirsty non-creepy way. But that is more or less the day game pool.
Waitress “everything you can think of but it really isn’t a good use of my time to go through them one by one – they’re on that shelf… Read more »”
PS; I am sorry to hear that you are a short timer. How long did the doctor give you to live?
@palma Yep about like that. I don’t threaten her gig at all. The only reason I’m not lowest of the low is I’ve been doing the job for going on twenty years. I don’t have any authority when it comes down to it other than just being there all the time and knowing what’s going on. I’m good at the job and it’s got some things that aren’t easy to do. I have to make six year old kids cry sometimes. And I work practically every weekend. The organization has several facilities and she doesn’t work in mine. Employees get… Read more »
@Sentient palmasailor @Sentient I’m gonna call this girl a high value mark (don’t shoot me) in the sense that you’ve decided you want to hit it cold, and it’s valuable to you that you achieve this as a game test. At this stage in the game I’m not sure there’s a right or wrong approach. Memories of knocking on my new neighbours door at 10pm about 5 years ago, having only previously waved at her through the window spring to mind. I kissed her and walked her upstairs to bed so anything can be done if you handle it right… Read more »
Palma/HABD
Good observations. One of the reasons I’ve not delved deeply into the details of her situation is because it does seem like a constant trainwreck – she works crazy and unpredictable hours – often from 12-8AM, is often between two different residences, has her own kids, babysits others. Lot’s of potential drama.
But I do need to probe a bit more.
@Sentient Palma/HABD Good observations. One of the reasons I’ve not delved deeply into the details of her situation is because it does seem like a constant trainwreck – she works crazy and unpredictable hours – often from 12-8AM, is often between two different residences, has her own kids, babysits others. Lot’s of potential drama. all i see is the potential for really wild crazy s*x…lol plus a GREAT opportunity to work your game chops…lol But I do need to probe a bit more. yes… yes you do… lol… plus… if she babysits other kids, then someone else also babysits her… Read more »
@HABD @Sentient @Palma by the numbers… By the numbers, we shouldn’t be skipping an important step (which @Palma’s intuition is trying to signal). Yes, all this should be coming from your own MPoO. Yes, you should know her logistics. And you should not ignore the IOD DHV IOI loop either. You can send the “come join me” text, but it won’t be correlated with her emotional state. This is a compliance test which you put forward without knowing her state of mind. Statistically it works because one of your leads happens to be up for something and maybe is still… Read more »
@Palma
Check this out, good primer for ping texting:
https://krauserpua.com/2016/08/25/how-to-ping-a-lead/
IRL
Yeah you’re right. Still feel this is a bit too outside for trying over text. Will wait for the next face to face and see where that can go.
@IRL @HABD @Sentient @Palma by the numbers… By the numbers, we shouldn’t be skipping an important step (which @Palma’s intuition is trying to signal). Yes, all this should be coming from your own MPoO. Yes, you should know her logistics. And you should not ignore the IOD DHV IOI loop either. You can send the “come join me” text, but it won’t be correlated with her emotional state. This is a compliance test which you put forward without knowing her state of mind. Statistically it works because one of your leads happens to be up for something and maybe is… Read more »
@Sentient
Still feel this is a bit too outside for trying over text.
Too outside? Care to elaborate?
@Palma
Ref texting
Texting is just a tool. What matters is the process and your understanding where you are. As such, it’s secondary if you eliminate texting completely, use it to quickly get a girl out at the right time or play a bit to warm up your old lead.
@HABD
your pedantic thoroughness
Mine? Haha, I like that!
plausible deniability to meet
Good pointer, I approve. +1
@IRL: “too outside” I interpreted as “outside chance”, i.e. low odds.
Enjoying the analysis by everyone, thanks.
@IAS
@IRL: “too outside” I interpreted as “outside chance”, i.e. low odds.
I’m interested in the intuition behind it.
IRL Re “too outside” I mean as a mode of communication at this point it will be ineffective. I’ve seen her about six times total over two years, with long gaps in between. So like a six months between 15-20 minute in person meets. All of them random and with bad logistics. This last gap 29 days. She still doesn’t even know my name as far as I can tell. So while the in person has been good in situ there is not enough connection to carry that vibe through in between. I could “start over” via text, basically follow… Read more »
Thanks Palma. I’ll keep that in mind. There were a couple of others, nothing here she “lost her shit”, pretty similar to these.
We will see. If I see her this week or next , I’m going to push things more and see what happens.
(@Rollo, comment stuck in mod…. whitelisting would be cool)
Racist! Shut it down…!!!
Ok one more time, at least the main bit: @Sentient Make sense? Thoughts? I agree with your approach. In person is more solid and you’ll run it on autopilot. This here though… I don’t think it will translate well though without more recent in person references. …is not necessarily correct. If it was 100% true, you wouldn’t see instances of guys turning cold leads around and blowing up long fuses via text. It’s just less predictable (there are patterns, but nothing granted). Try a “my world” text like this (from a bar, actually doing this): (you could capture some more… Read more »
Or go bolder and send these lol:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7z3PuxEeQfs/Vq3lGhBssbI/AAAAAAAAACw/XFpg4QtlCaQ/s1600/photo%2B%25284%2529.JPG
(@Palma, they closed the place, oh well)
FR challenge: caption the pics.
uhhh, sorry bonus question, how do I erase my email in the comment above!
@Oops: Rollo himself can sort the issue above, and he has in the past so it is pretty certain that he will remove the info. However depending on when he reads this and notices it may take a bit. Maybe try e-mailing him (check the about page, I think he has his contact there). Meanwhile, if you stay non-exclusive I think you will stay quite safe from actual, crippling One-itis. Beyond that, there are guys here in monogamous relations (marriages included) and even those who (at least apparently) aren’t getting extra on the side, aren’t afflicted by One-itis. You are… Read more »
Palma
“Until I went for it, I really believed it was a waste of time, ”
Going for it arouses them. Bit you have to go all in, no half measures.
Btw – your dinner protocol is very similar to The Thin Man’s over at sedfast, he does roast chicken, and my old standard omellet aux fin herbs. DHV is DHV.
Nice
Braveheart
You don’t need permission to do what you want to do. So do it and enjoy. If things change with hrr and you move on so be it. Move on.
No worries.
Enjoy!
@Palma: it is clear that under MM viewpoint, cooking is to act as a DHV.
That will depend a bit on the “target”, but clearly competence will be a good idea.
@Braveheart
This is actually a tough scenario because you’ve figured it out. Even if she says she doesn’t want kids, it’s a good chance that she does.
The play here is to enjoy as much of the moment as you can.
Palma
Sure. It’s not about eating or calories. It’s about creating a world and inviting her into it.
@Braveheart do I just go with the flow and enjoy this till it runs out, or do I cut the risk of an emotional loss if I for some reason get more attached and bail out now? Well, playing not to lose vs. playing to win, right? Up to you. In the long run, two things tend to happen: 1) Guys get comfortable and complacent with what they have. They invest more in one girl or less in other options/areas of their life (betaization if you will). 2) Girls’ priorities and expectations shift. They either try to have kids or… Read more »
N=3 😀 Thanks to Palma for some great advice. I’m happy to report it wasn’t as “Paint by the numbers” as when Sentient helped me when I got N=2 (Sentient and others, but Sentient really put some time in). LR: With YT who features in a previous FR where after some kino and dancing I went in for a kiss and she told me she didn’t like to be touched. I didn’t just want to Kiss Close her, I wanted to bang her, so after that I was playing conservatively until I had good logistics. Several days ago I went… Read more »
IAS
You monster… 👹
You bring her home in a wheelbarrow?
hi all, I’m in need of some help in reading a situation here. apologies for the wall of text. I’ve got no big changes to report – I initiate often, am turned down pretty often, get the question “are you upset”, I play it cool, rinse and repeat. Never passive aggressive, always playful and in good mood during the day. I’ve been leading more, taking more decisions, been more in charge. I’ve been noticing – now that I do that way less often – that Mrs’ Rc punishes bitterly when I show any uncertainty. Lesson learned. Mrs Rc’s mom is… Read more »
@RC “Mrs Rc explodes, says I’ve ignored her in taking a decision that should have involved both; […] I don’t explain, I just say I’ve decided to bring her with me”. “Got back later, am getting the kind of shitty passive aggressive behavior” You should have expected this would be her reaction when you got back. So, what I would have done is do something nice for her, that would act as a pattern interrupt. https://nlp-mentor.com/pattern-interrupt/ Like had your daughter make something nice for your wife at the office, then hand deliver it to her when you guys got back,… Read more »
RC “Honestly I don’t have a clue about what’s going on. Any insights? Thank you all.” What’s going on is she is losing control. That’s it. So she’s gonna fight it until she submits. So ignore what J is saying (romance? Come on dog…) and be the rock she wants. When you get through the funnel here, you won’t be getting these kinds of shit tests and she wont be turning down your advances so frequently. On that front, you need to start leaving the house after she does this and go somewhere where there are women. And yea it… Read more »
@j, yes, I did expect her to be like that – but didn’t want to come back with an apology. I did what had to be done with the kid. I see though that if the kid had done something for her, that would have been different. I like the second link – not so much the first I have to say – thanks. Good ideas.
I still can’t figure out exactly why she’s behaving like that. Is that just about the shorter time we spend together? Any thoughts will help.
Cats are not dogs! Say it with me.
So it’s ok she is a bit unhappy. That bit of unhappiness makes her wet. She doesn’t get it, but her pussy does.
kfg had a comment the other post on “poking her with the sharp stick of “no””