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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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kfg
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kfg

“… underpopulation is not a problem, the distorted age distribution is the problem.” There ya go. And it’s largely a problem caused by government economists who set up social security and medicare all stupid, and then abused it for the cherry on top. “But that will sort itself out too when the baby boomer generation dies out.” The Millennials are a mini baby boom who outnumber the baby bust Xers. The scale of the problem is smaller, but it’s still the problem. Major perturbations in population growth do not just go away. They oscillate. If the oscillation is damped it… Read more »

kfg
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kfg

And of course the Four Horsemen are always ready and willing to ride to restore a sustainable mean.

theasdgamer
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As often as not what happens is that the “invaders” are invited into the gates. Perhaps to do something silly like shore up the economy, social security and medicare. Perhaps to guard the gates themselves. kfg, most hispanics work in the U.S. for a number of years, then return. They aren’t “taking over” the country. But they are often contributing social security and medicare taxes. The U.S. economy is brittle because banking because the Fed controls interest rates. And it’s a consumer-driven economy, which requires an increasing population which requires immigration because the native population isn’t replacing itself. This has… Read more »

kfg
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kfg

” . . . most hispanics work in the U.S. for a number of years, then return.” I didn’t say anything about Hispanics. I have, however, lived in Mexico (where I was not allowed to purchase real property) and spent some time in a border town, watching Mexicans come over the bridge to work in the US in the morning, and than walk back again to their homes in Mexico at night. The laws have changed since then, so now the factories are built on the Mexico side and trucks from the US hauling materials cross the bridge in the… Read more »

Blaximus
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Blaximus

The economy is ‘ brittle ‘ because it is a low wages and debt driven monstrosity .

The Fed fucking around with interest rates doesn’t affect the bulk of the broader economy because to make high dollar purchases still requires debt. 30 years mortgages are an abomination , but it’s an abomination the fed can spur or slow down by raising or lowering rates.

A tool, as they like to call it.

Most Americans are effectively broke with little to no real assets and plenty of debt . Do not drink the kool aide .

theasdgamer
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Most Americans are effectively broke with little to no real assets and plenty of debt

Real assets = shit you rent from the govt…property taxes are just annual rent…better to have property that you don’t pay annual rent on…then you actually own it…so you are incorrect…NO Americans own real assets…real assets are all owned by the govt….

Define “low wages.”

Better to own a bass boat that you enjoy than to spend money and time on rental property that just provides fiat currency.

theasdgamer
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kfg, with a declining population, each person’s share of the national debt is continuously increasing.

kfg
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kfg

He said “real assets,” not “real estate.”

Blaximus
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Blaximus

asd watched too many Carlton Sheets infomercials years ago.

Definition of Low Wages: Wages earned after a 40 hour work week that don’t sustain the person that worked them with the very basics ( food, shelter and some clothing ).

” Better to own a bass boat that you enjoy than to spend money and time on rental property that just provides fiat currency.

… I have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.

theasdgamer
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@Blax

What do you mean by “real assets?”

As far a “low wages” goes, I see plenty of people who waste money on fast food and booze and gambling and hoes who don’t have enough left to pay the rent. Funny how immigrants can do well with “low wages.”

The problem is more a lack of self-control.

theasdgamer
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Blax, you been peeping in my windows again?

Blaximus
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Blaximus

😐

wahoo Mcdaniels
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@ASD

“As far a “low wages” goes, I see plenty of people who waste money on fast food and booze and gambling and hoes who don’t have enough left to pay the rent. Funny how immigrants can do well with “low wages.”

Hard to tell,it looks as if you are for a minimum wage hike in a big way^. When I factor in disposable income across the different income levels,couple it with the immediate taxation of the low income the fastest best boost to the economy is a wage hike. Glad you agree.

theasdgamer
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@wahoo

Hard to tell,it looks as if you are for a minimum wage hike in a big way^. When I factor in disposable income across the different income levels,couple it with the immediate taxation of the low income the fastest best boost to the economy is a wage hike. Glad you agree.

I think you agree with Blax, not me. The higher the minimum wage, the higher the barrier to new workers entering the employment system. Your idea will bring short term gain and long term pain.

wahoo Mcdaniels
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@asd Not seeing the barrier. If you give UMC a raise,they have already reached the point of saturation by gluttony,they are using their medical insurance to medicate these gluttonous conditions,and won’t buy say another hamburger. If you give the banks more money for stimulus they will loan it to the corps that will further their monopoly with the funds. In other words money at the top floats around at the top. On the other hand if we raise minimum wage this is all spent into the economy immediately creating a demand for more product,causing more hiring creating more jobs at… Read more »

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Minimum wage has been flat for decades mostly ( 25 cent raises don’t count). I’m sure the cost of living has remained flat as well. Why, I’m going right out and fill up my car with1.10 premium fuel right now.😜 A segment of society fear wage increase for a couple of reasons – 1) they aren’t earning low wages for a full work week. I don’t earn low wages, but I have at points in life and understand how awful it is. Anyone working 40 hours a week needs to be able to sustain themselves. Booze or whatever the fuck… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
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“Anyone working 40 hours a week needs to be able to sustain themselves.” The 40 hr week went the way of Obummer care,The cost of insurance went so high they put every service job at part time to avoid paying it,causing minimum wage workers to work at least 2 part time jobs. The crux is not making enough money to be legal yet making to much to get help at the same time. A company could offer the group rate insurance with a large deductible at a cost to the employee that exceeded the wages. Then they still sign up… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
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Obama care,the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

theasdgamer
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On the other hand if we raise minimum wage… …then teenagers can’t get part time jobs and won’t have experience when they apply for full time jobs…so the jobs will go to immigrants who will spend a little of the money, save the rest in a mattress, then leave when they have amassed enough capital, taking their savings with them to their home country… The difference is give one guy a dollar and he hides it in a tax shelter …which ends up being invested and builds the market for entrepreneurial opportunities which means more employment. Give another guy a… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
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On the other hand if we raise minimum wage… “…then teenagers can’t get part time jobs and won’t have experience when they apply for full time jobs…so the jobs will go to immigrants…” Not seeing this,please explain? Most minimum wage jobs are part time,see obamacare. The 40 hr week is now 60+ see obamacare. The difference is give one guy a dollar and he hides it in a tax shelter “…which ends up being invested and builds the market for entrepreneurial opportunities which means more employment.” This type of investment reach full saturation point 10 years ago at least,it no… Read more »

theasdgamer
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@wahoo

Immigrant adults will work harder and be more reliable than teenagers. If more money is offered, teenagers can’t compete. The object is to keep wages low enough so that teenagers will be able to get some experience which they can then use to get hired at higher-paying jobs.

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Lol.

Market.

Opportunity.

Immigrants.

😂😂😂

You’re cracking me the fuck up with all this make believe 1960 shit.

DisgruntledEarthling
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DisgruntledEarthling

…meanwhile, back at field reports…

wahoo Mcdaniels
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“Immigrant adults will work harder and be more reliable than teenagers. If more money is offered, teenagers can’t compete.” Immigrant adults will outwork most for any $# till they wise up. Teens compete with better language skills and hygiene. Face it if a worker wont work for ten he wont work for twenty,it’s a matter of ethics. A teen won’t be reliable till they get fired for being late. Trust me they will get the gift of desperation trying to live on these wages. “The object is to keep wages low enough so that teenagers will be able to get… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

Anyone fucked a bird recently?

DisgruntledEarthling
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DisgruntledEarthling

guess not

Culum Struan
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Culum Struan

Hahaha. No. But I’m gonna meet my FWB on Saturday and take her to a swingers club, so should be happening then.

wahoo Mcdaniels
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“Anyone fucked a bird recently?” This little red head spinner down the lane,only comes up on nice weekends or holidays. She’s twice divorced no chilens,self supporting and pretty. She keeps throwing it in my face and I string her along. Met her on the road the other sat. hadn’t seen her since last summer before the wreck. She still laughs at all my jokes even the dumb ones. She went to a party the night before and the men were all wimps ,she didn’t drink or toke rather faked it with juice in her wine glass,went home alone,she suggested the… Read more »

theasdgamer
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Anyone fucked a bird recently?

Do old wives count as birds? lol Remember how I fucked things up by paying too much attention to my baby granddaughter? That’s fixed.

My wife can’t stand her by the way,she can hear her laughter all the way up at our place. She ends with say hi to your wife for me,I have come to take this as “think of me when your fucking her” in woman speak.

Naw, the spinner enjoys fucking with your wife. It’s not clear. Did you plow the spinner?

theasdgamer
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You’re right, Blax, teenagers and entrepreneurship haven’t been around since the ’60s. Everyone now enters the job market with five years experience minimum.

wahoo Mcdaniels
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“Naw, the spinner enjoys fucking with your wife. It’s not clear. Did you plow the spinner?” They certainly do enjoy antagonizing one another. My wife wants me to pile the snow right in her (lil reds) driveway.As far as tapping Lil red, it’s been far to risky a proposition so for the time I will keep her as a plate without the strings,she is very good for dread. I’ve keeno’d her with 1 for 1 return and led her around her own place teaching her about edible and medicinal plants. She does have some poison sasketoon ghost berries. She loves… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

Ugh

When they’re absolute and totally out of ideas they take their clothes off

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rt.com/uk/451013-brexit-in-the-buff-bateman/amp/

Is it me or is this just gross and moronic

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

This was a funny conversation this week: I’m flat affected throughout. Woman: I knew this 75 yo man who’d invite me to the country club every 6 months for dinner . He knew I was married but he did it anyways. I always brought someone else with. Me: He sounds like a nice guy. Woman: You can’t judge him! Me: O.k. Uh, he invited you because he wanted you to enjoy a dinner, right? Woman: You can’t judge him! Me: Oh, you mean his motives were elsewhere? Woman: Well, yeah. Me: You accepted the dinner knowing that? Woman: Well I… Read more »

j
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j

J’s playa bucket list

Take a girl’s virginity
Fuck a girl while she’s talking on the phone with somebody

Aftermath:

https://imgur.com/a/usVK7A3

Rc
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Rc

Hey all, wife went out of town for a couple of days for work. That gave me time to think and read. The reddit MRP is great. I’ve decided I should try to practice STFU as a first practical step to deal with shit tests. I liked a lot this definition. I go pick her up at the station. She’s happy to see me and in a good mood, but after a while she throws “you can’t go though this road”, or “you can’t park here”, or “i’m hungry, really hungry”. The sorta bitchy way she says these things (not… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@Rc STFU might be a good halfway house if you’re coming from badly handling shit tests. I’ll think about your road traffic issues over coffee in a bit and report back because I never got those from my wife but I did from other women. Perhaps I’ll report on how I handled that. In the meantime ref the split yogurt thing – I used to handle it by saying something along the lines of “a boohoo mummy’s upset you’re being wittle and spilling your xyz doesn’t she know that’s what kids do? Never mind we still wuv mummy” Tickle the… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@Rc Firstly none of this is anything to do with driving / the route / hungry / or little kid Rc and spilt yoghurt. It’s all symptoms of a different problem; but I think you know that. Remember – a shit test is a compliance or a fitness test and they don’t know they’re doing it. You did well recovering the yoghurt thing and you’ve also spotted that it was a wasted opportunity. It’s good you’ve seen that. Never mind, I’m sure little kid will spill something else soon so you get a re take. At the moment her perception… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

RC

Her fitness testing (better description than shit testing) is a survival mechanism, an unconscious sonar ping.

The ping is for beta AND alpha. STFU is an ok measure to not ping back beta. But it won’t ping back alpha usually either.

So you are likely going to get more pings.

Now if ya got nothing but beta to say, stfu for as long as you can. But you should try seeding in more alpha replies.

Her: this isn’t the right road.

You: shhhhhhhh. I got this.

The more alpha your replies the lessening of testing over time.

Sentient
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Sentient

J

You might add speaking to her dad to your list.

One time lifeguarding, After a robust evening. Sitting with the guards getting ready to go out. Take my shirt off walk past a few girl guards and here ” holy shit” and they are all eyeing and pointing. Seems the backed was clawed up. Gave them the smirk and shrug. Was a good season.

PS – the Chest Hair Club for Men has found it’s newest member!

Rc
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Rc

The more I read you guys the more I realize I need to read – palmasailor, it’s great if you want to add. Thanks sentient as well.

wahoo Mcdaniels
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Rc junior is going for interior decorator,adding culture to the floor. Don’t cry over spilled milk,here’s a towel.

SJF
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Rc Palma said: “I don’t think you can flip this overnight across the board because she won’t be able to reconcile the new you and will suspect it’s fake. You can’t flip it overnight. It took me like three years to flip that, and I’m still working on it. It’s going/working very well. You run into this, Illimitable Men Maxim #24: https://illimitablemen.com/2015/07/17/fifty-shades-of-red/ IM MAXIM #24: “As her control increases, her attraction and respect decreases. As her control decreases, her attraction and respect increases. If a woman is with a submissive man trying to become dominant, she will utterly oppose him.… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
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Time limits are for doctors. “She has accepted he is submissive and so she revels in the power her control gives her. If he becomes dominant, she loses the power and resources her monopoly granted her. And she will never forget his old ways, she will never really believe he is a worthy leader.” Somebody has to wear the pants. Women aren’t men. Women don’t think like men. When he becomes more dominant her hind brain tests him to see if he can bring it home consistently. This is more about resources than it is about power,her power to secure… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
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Anonymous Reader

Sentinet to Rc Her: this isn’t the right road. You: shhhhhhhh. I got this. Also the presentation (tone of voice, posture) matters. Gotta be relaxed but not slumping. Don’t tense up in the driver’s seat, tightly gripping the wheel. Verbal: Not defensive, not butthurt / angry not :”Look, I got this, ok? OK? OHKAY!?” Not resigned / tired of it all / fatalistic monotone “Igothis” Confident, as if calming a child. Just as Sentient wrote. Smirk as you say it. The more alpha your replies the lessening of testing over time. Longer term time. Shorter term (weeks) expect more testing… Read more »

kfg
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kfg

All roads are the right road to Rome.

SJF
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“Will she never forget? or does she even remember anything logically? Will hints of his old ways always send her mind down the old path? If he becomes a worthy leader she has no choice but to follow!” Well, what actually happens in real life is that if a man abdicates his role too long as the leader, Guess What? She takes over that role and masculinizes herself for the sake of her, her kids and him. When this happens she loses her femininity and starts to operate in logical fashion, like a man. And she might even get good… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@Rc

“This is more about resources than it is about power”

Wrong – ignore this.

Everyone else is on point.

Ref extinction curve – I’ll get back with more detail about the rat experiment pushing the lever, it’s the visualisation of an extinction burst.

Also the car thing when I get time.

having a bad day
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having a bad day

@Rc props on making the effort to turn around your life/marriage!… it’s not easy, but it is conceptually simple… and totally doable… you’re getting great advice, so i just wanted to ping in with some practice tips… Hey all, wife went out of town for a couple of days for work. That gave me time to think and read. The reddit MRP is great. I’ve decided I should try to practice STFU as a first practical step to deal with shit tests. I liked a lot this definition. I go pick her up at the station. She’s happy to see… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“littlekid Rc drops a yogurt on the floor. She goes off saying you need to clean (as if, littlekid did it because you didn’t pay attention),” Compliment her publicly, condemn her privately. That reinforces you are keeping your head, the same one in the marriage, and she will respond to your steady Solomnic approach. You want the best for your family and she does too but is benighted to a clear path forward. You are acta non verba providing all that. Keep your cool is your best defense. She was bitching dramatically and unnecessarily at the kids. She wasn’t brutally… Read more »

kfg
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kfg

” . . . you should also be patterning her rolodex…” At this point I’m not going to change the colloquial terminology, but I’ve always used Flash Cards, because Flash Cards are indexed by stimulus and response and not just an ordinal. When a Flash Card back doesn’t match the front she will get confused and shuffle through the deck looking for one she can use to “get things back on track.” If that one doesn’t work she’ll get anxious and start throwing out cards quickly and eventually start flinging them around randomly in hysteria. That’s when you can reach… Read more »

theasdgamer
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As far as tapping Lil red, it’s been far to risky a proposition You have to figure out how to vet the ones who won’t cause drama…not these… 1) braggarts 2) drama queens 3) women who know and dislike your wife 4) dumbasses (smart girls are usually better at keeping their piehole shut) 5) naive girls (even smart girls are very risky if they’re naive) It’s a good idea to test girls to see if they like sneaky games…French Resistance…Sneaky Grabass…Dirty Talk while dancing with no laughing or giggling…can they even sneak out of the bar without being caught…(there was… Read more »

theasdgamer
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Paging @HABD per Sentient, when you STFU you don’t ping as beta… buuut, you also don’t ping as alpha stud either… the cocky/funny gets you to alpha stud… “Cocky funny” is for beginners while “amused mastery” is for men with solid frame–is that how you see it? Girls will also just be drawn to men who are amusing themselves and who are popular. I was dancing with an attractive married blonde and a hotter, younger (and maybe tighter) blonde hitchhiked onto our dance. One of my male friends bought me a fireball shot and I was chatting with lots of… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
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@Palma

Hows that married life reconstruction going for you STFU.

wahoo Mcdaniels
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“Well, what actually happens in real life is that if a man abdicates his role too long as the leader, Guess What? She takes over that role and masculinizes herself for the sake of her, her kids and him.” This^ is her 200k+ year old survival instinct kicking in,back then resources weren’t necessarily money,a man actually had to rule. She is ^ now open to options. “When this happens she loses her femininity and starts to operate in logical fashion, like a man. And she might even get good at logicalizing.” Maybe , some are better at logical thinking than… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
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“Of course, I’m only a kj about all this, of course.”

Thats good cuz she meets all your requirements. The big question is,what if she gets hooked and doesn’t want to share. Answer the man is at fault and will pay.

Anonymous Reader
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Anonymous Reader

@Rc I cannot recall if you have mentioned your exercise / fitness program before, so bear with me. You need to be doing something in order to keep your physical condition in good shape. Specifically you need to do something like walk / run / swim for cardio /endurance, and you need to lift heavy stuff for body strength and to maintain your Testosterone at a good level in your bloodstream. Men with low T tend towards moodiness, poor decision-making, anxiety, anhedonia and even depression: in other words, they emote like women. Used to be a couple of men who… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

🙄

Anonymous Reader
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Anonymous Reader

HABD – Rolodex
kfg – Flash Card

Gotta go with kfg on this one, even though “rrrrrolodex” just ripples off the tongue, because they are almost all gone, whereas Flash Cards still sorta exist at least for grade school.

Also the image of replacing her flash card with a newer one is useful – she still may have a deck of obnoxious cards, but one of them has been replaced & upgraded. The process of rewiring neural pathways takes time.

SJF
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“When this happens she loses her femininity and starts to operate in logical fashion, like a man. And she might even get good at logicalizing.” Maybe , some are better at logical thinking than others, after the feelings anyhow. She will emote before logic by default. Repeat no matter how logical she becomes she will go by feels first. I spoke before thinking. She might not get good at logic. But she will attempt logic. I don’t disagree that her logic will come after emotions. But watch out for the hardened woman. She attempts logic and will attempt to be… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

I knew it was somewhere

Here you go – extinction curve

https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2007/01/rat-behavior-extinguished.html

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“Of course, I’m only a kj about all this, of course.”

Why even?

Your desire for credibility undermines your credibility…regardless the validity of your words.

It’s your thumbscrew and is being turned by others to keep the money flowing.

Cut your DG and SIL off and see what happens.

They appear awed and interested in your father-knows-best affect when in their best interest to do so.

wahoo Mcdaniels
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Even Rollo said “it isn’t really about power, it’s more about control”.

The key is she needs to be in control of some things,just not me or my things.

The interesting thing about lefthanded dem politics is they have so many women all trying for the same position the nomination process will be more infighting than cocktail waitress over big tippers. Hell they may even self destruct,like they have their credibility.

theasdgamer
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The big question is,what if she gets hooked and doesn’t want to share.

For $200, what is a fling?

It has a defined start and end date with a breakup at the end. Expectations set at the start.

theasdgamer
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Cut your DG and SIL off and see what happens.

Go to the Billiards Room to get a Clue.

wahoo Mcdaniels
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“It has a defined start and end date with a breakup at the end. Expectations set at the start.”

Hey ! maybe I could get her to sign a precheatual agreement? LOL

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@Rc Just to clear up the resource thing. Most people consider money, assets etc.. as resources. Other things are also resources but that’s not what’s generally meant. I don’t think your predicament has anything to do with these things and looking in that direction for answers leads you down a very dangerous beta buxy path which is why I kicked the concept out above. You definitely do not want to be going down the lines of “hey honey I just worked extra hard and made my bonus so we can go out 5 star on valentines and I’ll buy you… Read more »

IAS
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IAS

Hi all, decision to make, would like some input. Some 10 months ago I was visiting the U.K. and even went out with Palma. Other than that, I number closed a girl and then got her on a next-day mini-date and kiss closed her in the park before she went back to where she lives (different city about 2 hours by train or coach). We infrequently exchange some messages once in a while (like for new years), usually she initiates it with some photos of her traveling. I’m going to the same place again, but as I mention she lives… Read more »

IAS
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IAS

For reference, the original (long) FR about “Blue” is in page 86 here:
https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-86/
IRL, Palma, Sentient posted about it back then, also on the same page.

Also, testing Itallics?

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@IAS Look she’s not gonna say “come round and fuck me” Is she totally bed ridden? If so I think escalation will be difficult, otherwise hatch a plan to turn up with food and wine and cook for her escalating as usual.. Deal with your non drinking thing somehow so it looks like you are.. Sours or something as Sentient said.. ** even my Japanese plate that I’ve been banging since November needs an excuse to come round that does NOT include sex. I’m cooking or we are “celebrating” or something. But oh no…. not sex … she has a… Read more »

Culum Struan
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Culum Struan

IAS – haven’t read the original FR, but I generally would not make the effort to go visit a woman I haven’t banged yet. Too much investment. OR (as I did occasionally), I would just pretend I had some other reason to be near her and could drop in casually with no pressure. So in your case you could say something has come up and you can’t make it (to reverse the previous offer to come visit her). Then a couple days later, tell her you can make it after all because you have some work/friend to meet near her,… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@IAS Culum is right, it is a lot of investment. Really there should be better options. I think my opinion got skewed as I’ve never failed to bang a woman after I’ve cooked for her. If I can get into a kitchen (hers or mine) with her after a fun day or night and cook it’s basically game on. Don’t ask me how that works, it just does. Even if I bring them back late at night as a FNL I basically sit them in the kitchen, crack 1/2 bottle champagne from the fridge, suspend the escalation and cook something… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

IAS

Actually I think Palma is dead on with his first advice.

Look, part of “just getting it” is to actually start just getting it. (Cough, cough…Culum)

So assume the sale. Bring a small overnight bag. Go up to her place, make a day of it. Ramp up that mad attraction you got going in the first FR again and escalate to banging and sleeping over.

That’s what I’d do.

If you get up there and can’t close it’s more to do with your game in the moment. I mean you’re married for fs so investment isn’t much of an issue.

Sentient
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Sentient

One word… If she tries to put any limitations on your visit in advance, like she texts the day before and says she only has time for lunch or has afriend coming or some shit like that, then break it off with a pleasant “next time then”.

wahoo Mcdaniels
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“You can’t flip it overnight. It took me like three years to flip that, and I’m still working on it. It’s going/working very well.” IM MAXIM #24: “As her control increases, her attraction and respect decreases. As her control decreases, her attraction and respect increases. If a woman is with a submissive man trying to become dominant, she will utterly oppose him. She has accepted he is submissive and so she revels in the power her control gives her. If he becomes dominant, she loses the power and resources her monopoly granted her. And she will never forget his old… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

Palma

Don’t ask me how that works, it just does.

Demonstrations of High Value are demonstrations…

PS – always had the same experiences btw

wahoo Mcdaniels
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IAS
My first instinct is to leave her alone till her foot gets better. Had a girl one time that hurt her back and went to visit,she really wasn’t into being seen or it was just awkward like she just started and wanted her privacy. Let her girls take care of her then pick up the chase when she has a better chance of catching you.
Maybe with lots of people stopping by it would be to many interuptions.

palmasailor
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palmasailor

Ok so that’s the plan. Ref the cooking thing, I’d tell her I MIGHT cook and ask her if there’s anything she’s allergic to / doesn’t eat. DO NOT ask her what she’d like and offer to cook that. You’re not a performing fucking monkey there to deliver on demand and be marked out of 10. YOU want to cook and she can come for the ride. This does a couple of things; First it will flag if she’s a vegan or other dietary Nutter that you just can’t cook for and will be a pain in the arse. Second… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

““is that an invitation? ;)””

Asking is DLV. Avoid questioning that qualify you, give her options, makes you appear pursuant and are cutesy…i.e. why are you emoticon winking at her?

Her replies were a Hollywood No.

“Her “but plenty of friends coming to visit”” a.k.a. “You can be one of my many friends. Though if you come, know your place.”

Sentient
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Sentient

On the cooking thing. Don’t think I’d mention it. Just roll in, say something like “I brought some stuff to eat, with your foot” etc. And just get down to gaming her. Just some basic room temp type picnic stuff and wine. It’s the demonstration, not the meal that’s important. And it’s just pretext. On this ““Her “but plenty of friends coming to visit”” a.k.a. “You can be one of my many friends. Though if you come, know your place.”” Eh… Normally this is a good read but they have prior history. Get used to assuming attraction. It’s much better… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

IAS

Really the most important thing at this stage is YOU make a call – is this a bang invite or not? What does your gut say?

Got to put your senses to work. Start developing that feel.

And follow through…

[Culum – like your actually putting skin in the bitcoin game]

palmasailor
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palmasailor

IAS
JBDI

You’re being offered proximity and isolation and they don’t do that lightly.

It’s up to you and your game now.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

IAS

Feel free to use that little social scene to gain credibility with her friends, even considering them fair game with intent to score.

Have a good time, enjoy the company and they’ll enjoy you.

wahoo Mcdaniels
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IAS

Your married with children ,right?

Ive seen this extra marital activity work out in different ways for my ahem aquaintences.

1; Wife knows from the start you are high value and there for protection and sex she makes more money,and the transaction is reversed.

2; Spontaneous SNL at a safe distance no strings ,can’t remember her name etc.

3; Transactional with either sex paying the other ONS.

4; Open relationship,mutualy agreed.

5; Multiple mates under one roof,like a pimp harem.

I don’t want to lead another woman on into something that isn’t there,I get no pleasure from that.

IAS
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IAS

An update on my situation with wife. I’m married, but with finances separated, and we live long distance unless we visit each other. No children. I never really wanted kids and decided a couple of years ago that was permanent and communicated it. Wife increasingly wanting children as she nears 40. Sex is a bit better after I became RP, but I’m increasingly sure we are not right for each other. I’ve outright proposed a divorce 2 years ago, she didn’t want to so I didn’t. I made it clear the current “arrangement” was ok for me, otherwise I told… Read more »

Rc
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Rc

Hi all, things look in flux. I’ve started to grow a beard and asked her “it is well cut here?” She looked at me like I was asking the weirdest question. It might have been a shit test but I just acted natural and asked again. I want to see the effect of changing looks. @anonymous reader r/gym, last year I tried to follow Romaniello’d Alpha 2.0. It was working miracles for the two three months I followed strictly – diet included – and then I got sucked again into work. I do intermittent fasting and almost regularly only eat… Read more »

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Slightly o/t, but as usual, IAS has made me think. I don’t consider kissing as ” cheating ” on my wife. I kiss chicks all the time, mostly to see if I can get them to comply with some passion ( or if they are just being friendly or something ). I didn’t/don’t discuss sex or banging other chicks with the wife ever, but in last conversation before we were married, I made clear that I will talk to women as much as I like, and I’ve said in an indirect way that I’d divorce a woman that didn’t sexually… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

RC

and asked her “it is well cut here?”

Don’t do this. Never ask. When some other woman compliments your beard in her presence, that is all that matters… Or she will begrudgingly let you know in a soft moment that “her friend” saw your beard and said something… Which is a trap. Just shrug and be like “meh… they all all dig me”… and go on about your business. Do not show any triumph around her…

On VD – I just give my wife a small chocolate, same as all my daughters. A token.

Sentient
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Sentient

Blax

But kissing, fingering, titty and was squeezing isn’t ” cheating ” imo. Is that strange?

Coming from you, no…

Which brings me back to Rollo’s OP, Real You… which I will post there…

SJF
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Rc and asked her “it is well cut here?” Don’t do this. Never ask. You are leaning into her frame. It’s almost if you are asking her to qualify you–You are trying to qualify yourself to her. Did you want to hear that it was well cut? Were you trying to draw attention to it? Notice her sub-communication. …You wanted to see the effect of changing your looks, did you? What did you think she was going to do with you changing? React favorably? She doesn’t want you to change. She wants you to stay under her thumb. Valentine’s Day?… Read more »

SJF
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Rc

Don’ take your wife’s behavior (or lack of response) personally. Use this to let go of your reflected (other validated) sense of self. Don’t make things harder for yourself than they have to be.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

My St. Valentine’s day gift….

I take her on a 8 mile walk, hit a bar, pour a pitcher of beer in her, and fuck 6 ways from Sunday.

Just as every weekend.

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@Rc

“on the other hand she’s been saying more frequently in these weeks that I don’t care about her”

Hmmmmmm… hamster – perhaps you don’t – what’s she going to do about that?

I do nothing for Valentines, I don’t even recognise it.

Is she going to do anything for you?

What did she do to earn the compliment you paid her by the way?

kfg
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kfg

They have a day for a restaurant?

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

Rc

““on the other hand she’s been saying more frequently in these weeks that I don’t care about her”

Classic comfort shit test as you’ve been more cagey recently. She’s recalibrating your BB/AF.

Generally, wordlessly ignore.

Stick to the 1:3 text ratio. Always give her less than she’s expecting….except in the bedroom. Ferociously fuck the hell out of her. .

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@SJF “(Three years ago, after hearing about skittles man, I gave my wife a card and a bag of skittles for our 25th wedding anniversary. I was trying to turn things around and things were contentious around that time. That day also falls in between her birthday and Mother’s Day (I stopped trying to do something about those three in a span of three weeks a while ago, to favorable response). But there was certainly no downside or fallout from that “stunt”. It was a contentious stunt back then when I didn’t have my red pill feet. It would be… Read more »

Rc
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Rc

What did she do to earn the compliment you paid her by the way?

She texted me about a bunch of things she Did for me to save me one afternoon of time.Organizing stuff is tangentially related to what she does for work, so I text back you must be good at your job – to which her reply.

Anyway, “much to learn, you have” obviously. I guess I’m not sure how to handle the obvious VD test that’ll come at some point.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“She texted me about a bunch of things she Did for me to save me one afternoon of time.” This she should be doing anyways so don’t be too grateful. Moreover she should be fucking you robustly too, though isn’t. Her doing shit around the house not a benefit to you. Neither is her sex. You could do all that or hire someone to clean up and have a $500 hooker bang you weekly for a lot less $ than you’re paying her in marriage to putter around the house and not fuck you. Sex is her only real option… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@Rc

Ok

But rule of 2/3 remember, you must.

j
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j

“I do nothing for Valentines, I don’t even recognise it”.

+1

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@Rc

I’m out doing this mobile and didn’t catch this bit:

“I guess I’m not sure how to handle the obvious VD test that’ll come at some point”

Her : Some shit – “I don’t feel valued you didn’t even get me a valentines card”

You : “done with that shit”

Change the subject and and head up to bed on your own.

I’d give money she’ll come up and double down on the shit test.

You “nah. It’s bollocks I’m not doing it” and roll over to sleep.

She’ll play her ace (last) card – sex and initiate

You : bang her til she can’t walk

Done

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