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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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NBTM: I don’t think people really lie much in FRs. Yeah I’m sure there’s some exaggeration and some makeouts get turned into lays, and some 6s become 8s and so on, but I don’t think stuff gets made up out of whole cloth. What would be the point? Plus if you have enough experience of going out (and of reading FRs), you can spot the ones that are not in line with you see in real life (it’s not perfect, but you can spot obviously wrong ones). Sentient – other than reminding you to have your logistics on lockdown for… Read more »

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ASD, A couple things: You create terminology (lit up) only you understand then craft tautalogic explanations and expect others to accept your contrivances. Please, spare me, I don’t care to learn some inapplicable jargon. Whatevs. ASD, you aren’t that special and no one replies to you FRs as they are as farcical as your relationship advice. Again, whatevs. You seem lonely in your writing, needful for discussion and I guess there’s no shame in that per se and if making yourself feel worthwhile here helps, well ok….though… Beta game in the dance club to get along? That’s BP. Giving women… Read more »

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@SJF

It’s all an effort to give tips and tricks or to conversely for people to ask questions and give advice.

And it’s also a way to test RP principles in the field and discover successful strategies.

As an example of someone helping me to find a successful strategy, BPP was very helpful for me when it came to Dread, tho I apply it somewhat differently than he suggested. It is working just fine in the Gamer household…and, perhaps surprisingly, it has an impact on Daughter Gamer–not just Mrs. Gamer.

I can’t remember…have you been married more than once?

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You create terminology (lit up) only you understand</i?

No, this is in common use in PUA land. But I’m not surprised that you don’t understand the importance of being able to calibrate women’s emotions. Good luck anyways.

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” Pro Tip (for Blax): Just because you’re slightly amusing doesn’t mean that you aren’t perfuming bullshit, Junior.”

hee hee heeeeee.

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@ASD “I can’t remember…have you been married more than once?” Just once. I met my wife when she was 23 and I was 27. Married after 18 months, daughter two years after that and son two years after that. We were too busy living an exciting life for the first ten years to fuck up. The second ten years, I didn’t have any mentors or close friends and I got betatized in those second ten years. Ten years ago I got a group of guy friends in the wildlife deer habitat realm and did tribal stuff with them. I discovered… Read more »

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“No, this is in common use in PUA land. ”

Oh?

Hey j, is that so?

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light up
1. To brighten or illuminate something. Fireworks lit up the night sky.
2. To become illuminated. The street lamps light up at dusk.
3. To focus a light source on someone or something. The flashlight lit up a stray cat in the bushes.
4. To become noticeably excited or animated at the sight of someone or something. I’m sure she likes you—she just lights up whenever you’re around.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/light+up

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Well, I’ve always heard that you should treat a Day 2 just like Day 1. Don’t assume attraction at the outset. Build attraction and DHV at the outset, just like Day 1.

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@Rc Five years or so ago, I took three golf lessons from a pro. I knew I had a fundamentally flawed golf swing for the previous 40 years. He straightened me out after only three lessons. I asked him how he did that. He said that he took what I was mostly or grossly doing wrong and had me minimize those things. Do them less wrong. This was an example of fixing blind spots. I didn’t know what I was doing wrong–couldn’t see it. The same applies to MRP game. You don’t know what you don’t know. BluePillProfessor went public… Read more »

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@Sentient “I felt it hit. I knew it hit when the guy starts talking about her boyfriend…” haha “I say go to the bathroom write down your number and give it to me on your way out. Your cousin wont see” smooth as fuck. “My day 2 game is weak” me too lol. been years since I did one. but I would text her while she’s in her class as oppose to 5:30 (looks more spontaneous…like you almost forgot and she’ll think, “isn’t that guy from yesterday gonna text me?” Instead of, “damn I still have to go see this… Read more »

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I like that timing suggestion J.

Culum – yeah a few situations far away. We will see.

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Palma “I don’t know what a “force open” posture is ? ” Generally when I approach a bar I walk straight up, don’t look around, stand straight, place my hands flat on the bar arms spread a bit more than shoulder width and DO NOT seek any eye co tact with girla around. Address the bartender and May banter with him, look at the tv or the back bar. Force the girls to open you since you aren’t paying attention to them. “too complicated thing” could have been her panicking because the cock blocking cousin could have returned from the… Read more »

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Oh and she’s teaching the class.

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@RC: I’m in read only mode here most of the time, for the simple reason that I’m in the learning phase yet just as you, so I don’t dish out relationship advices. I wanted to chime in for two reasons now. First, please do listen to the guys here, I can’t stress enough how valuable the information they share is. Use it. I think you are clever enough to decide who is legit who is not. So don’t go purple, go red pill all the way. The other topic is what Blax brought up about your responsibility for your wife’s… Read more »

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I agree

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Okay, I stopped masturbating/watching porn. I don’t want to fuck my wife at the moment, she is out of shape and I can’t honestly say she is trying to work out. I do get hard just by feeling her butt in the dark in our bedroom, but she doesn’t get me horny just by looking at her. I was out of shape as well, but diabetes got me skinny quickly, now I’m just buffing up and she does admit that I’m looking better. Wish I could say the same for her. I know I’m not being a bad man for… Read more »

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Hey all, In the end I had no time to think about toys, when I’m out I work almost all the time. Good discussion though, as you saw I didn’t realize this was “put you to wok” example. Too bad in a sense, because I’m not forced to make a choice. Or maybe I am, I might have bought a pack of gum. We’ll see tonight. @Sjf, thanks for the pointer to the 4 horses. I’ve got mostly criticisms and some (little) contempt going on. I’ll deal with it as suggested in MRP. @hf, yes I do see that and… Read more »

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@ Testi “Okay, I stopped masturbating/watching porn.” Congratulations. “but she doesn’t get me horny just by looking at her.” This is critical for your differentiation from her and your marriage reconstruction. She’s feeling the natural relationship dynamic change subcomms IRT. She will not let on that she knows or is concerned, though the shit testing will increase subtly at first. Then you know it’s on. Her will is cracking. ” I’m just buffing up and she does admit that I’m looking better.” Congratulations. Women will attempt to assume your improvement for herself and complement you and in a way complementing… Read more »

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Type II diabetes? You mean you got skinny to control it?

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Closing the loop…

Texted her at 7 “when’s class over?”

Nothing back.

Texted at 10 “you around?”

Nada

So that is that.

May send a animated gif tonight last ditch.

Take away… Not much. Girl caught up in moment, got ahead of herself. Next day is a new day.

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@Sentient Texted her at 7 “when’s class over?” Assumed attraction (good) AND investment (hm well…). Lack of response = no investment or second thoughts. At least useful feedback, you’re starting from cold. So this one here went in the wrong direction: Texted at 10 “you around?” You see that, right? We covered texting before: https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-45/#comment-216991 Tease, exaggerate in a funny way, leave a hook point. Build it up a bit. Classic MM loop via text. Just enough to solidify the call to action. At this stage, a random gif can go either way, hit or miss. I’d reopen teasing her… Read more »

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Coda – so after a few pops decided to call dancer girl. She answers, says she is in class teaching. I say so about that drink. She says omg. I’m so sorry I never should have given out my number. I can’t. I had no smooth lines just closing the loop at that point. Said yeah it’s cool blah blah. It occurred later a few smooth lines would have been ok to throw out there. Sometimes it’s better to just be in the moment and react vs having a plan. That way you see options develop not on your board.… Read more »

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Then starts spewing invective… “You’re disgusting!” Obviously triggered her PTSD. The queen bee is highly protective of the sisterhood. At her age it’s the only connection to the SMP. 2 weeks back I opened a table of 3 20 y.o.’s at a restaurant. I casually ask if they’ve been there before and then what they’re recommend. Immediate response from the queen bee: “I think you’d best ask the waitress.” I gazed unemotionally at her letting the comment sink in for a second then slowly turn my back on her, leaning on the table a bit. I ask the other two… Read more »

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Eh

Left out this part of the Cray Cray story. When I first turned to her she was complimenting me ” oooh I love how you’re put together” and running her hand down the the lapel of my jacket. At the end she was going “just…. Look at you! With your jacket!!!” In a sneer…

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“oooh I love how you’re put together” and running her hand down the the lapel..”

Excellent Beta Bait example. It’s her go to and that’s why she’s pissed as her sexuality doesn’t pull like it once did.

Overt displays of dramatic affection from post-wall women….ABORT!

“You’re disgusting!” = “My SMV collapses IRT!”

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“That is how a real 9 does an approach invite. Soooo subtle. I’ll hang nearby for a minute and see if he does something. No. Well that is it”. hmmm not sure this is ‘9’ thing only. Think its just something hot girls do in general (7s+8s included), where they position themselves within your vicinity. not even looking at you. And they’re like, I know you feel my presence here, I’m giving you 30 seconds because I KNOW you know I’m here, even if you’re trying to pretend like you don’t ….28, 29, 30. ok That’s it you’re done. “You… Read more »

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@IRL nice to see you back, bro!… good luck! @Sentient ya know, for a RP dude, you really do need to start spotting this sh*t in real time…lol… it killed you with dancer girl… and the smokeshow… AND that 50’s hotty…lol… dancer girl – initial meet was a fun flirty one-off (says the bf-guarding cousin…lol)… sooo, how do you approach a day 2 after THAT situ?… (hint – NOT ‘hey SL*T!!! let’s GO!!!’…lol… which is what your invite pinged her with… ) you didn’t give her hind brain ANYTHING to work with…lol… should have been more ‘innocently ambiguous’ (even if… Read more »

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And speaking of ratings, last night Kevin Samuels (black dude in his 50s with a youtube channel) handed out the following ratings 7: Bern Nadette Stanis 8: Pam Grier 9: Jayne Kennedy 10: Dorothy Dandridge I’ve already given my opinion on black women, so we don’t need to revisit that, but what I found funny was someone left a comment, saying that Pam was (“and always will be”) a 10 and Kevin responded in blax fashion: “Look here dude check that foolishness at the door or kick rocks. Pam Grier was not a Baller chick in any way. Just goes… Read more »

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@Sentient

aaaand my basic assumption plays out…lol

Left out this part of the Cray Cray story. When I first turned to her she was complimenting me ” oooh I love how you’re put together” and running her hand down the the lapel of my jacket. At the end she was going “just…. Look at you! With your jacket!!!” In a sneer…

those^^^ were sh*t tests btw…lol… which you don’t appear to have escalated on…lol…

was she hot enough for a three/four way?…lol…

good luck!

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@Sentient

and juuuust for pedantic thoroughness… whenever you feel the urge to be all ‘girls just be cray cray!!!’… YOU are missing some important data stream info on the subcomms channel…lol…

girls are NEVER ‘cray cray’…lol… only a dog could think THAT…lol… they might get their sexual strategy algos crossed sometimes, but even then they STILL operating ‘in service of the egg’… even IF the are in their 50s…lol…

good luck!

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Re: smart girls wait for you. FR time. Last summer, wife and I walk into the large smoking area behind a bar. There’s three groups of 20s somethings drinking and laughing. We stroll to an emptyish area and one pretty girl laughs out loud, from 10′ away, at my wife saying…OMG you two are soooo getting laid tonight!….and asks her questions about how long we’ve been dating and such. As she learns we’re married she again kinda flips out and grills my wife how we pull it off. Long things short…the group has high SMV members. They’re having an impromptu… Read more »

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Yeah Mystery would call this proximity. Yareally had some long ass acronym for a similar concept. I see 7 and 8s being more “active” if you will in this area, even though they look inactive. 9s are way way more subtle. And rarely make any eye contact.

I 9 walks in a venue and always looks straight ahead. She assumes all eyes are on her. 8s will cast around a little more. And so on. Degrees.

“powerful compliment when ya think about it tbh”

Interesting . To me I thought she was being presumptuous.

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@ Sentient

How would you approach her, open her now?

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IRL and HABD back? Old boys week… Why cant we have real time posting!!! Lol “fill in her^^ back story… and what the dynamic was that played out in situ” Heh. Make no mistake I know exactly what played out here. Obvi she was jilted in the past and her looks swirling down the drain has no hope for the future… I didn’t game her because she wasnt attractive. Yeah I know I know… Group dynamics yo. Frankly I thought it was funny and sad that she flipped out. “if you spot it fast enough, you can just walk over… Read more »

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Eh

I was ruminating on going over and saying something about her business deal, use that towarss a qualifier that she has something going on other than looks.

Nothing special just a social intro and look to get a refill.

Bleh

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@ Sentient

Ok. Thx.

I’d like to mention something about Sentient vs. j or ASD FRs.

Girls and women shit test all. the. time. Even after you’ve found your sweet spot in a relationship within a short period she’s at it again.

j and ASD never post anything (as I’ve read) about shit tests, just awesome game, perfectly delivered and social proof. It’s oesn’t happe IRL.

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@Sentient “9s are way way more subtle. And rarely make any eye contact” Gotcha. Thanks for clairifying. I don’t really notice this subtly because I open regardless if they give me eye contact or not. (I revealed how I open HBs in bars/clubs on NextASF’s facebook group yesterday.(which @eh to qualify myself, is invite only for the top PUAs. If they thought I was full of shit I’d be kicked out/not invited in the first place). It’s only after being in conversation for a couple of seconds that I notice “holy shit this girl is actually hotter than I thought”… Read more »

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@EI Ok, a shit test happened today and I didn’t even realize it. That’s what happens when you are unconsciously competent. Backstory: Mrs. Gamer, Daughter Gamer, and I were watching an episode of “Blue Bloods” where Eddie’s bf ditches her after she shoots a robber. The bf’s sister is chasing Eddie’s partner Jamie. I mentioned that I had once chased off a thug who was stalking a girl and me when I was walking her to the bus stop back in college. Mrs. Gamer asked me if I banged her and I just laughed. Daughter Gamer was watching me and… Read more »

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“a shit test happened today and I didn’t even realize it. That’s what happens when you are unconsciously competent”

+1

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Thug ( kinda )
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It would have been several decades ago, when Tyler was eight.

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@Sentient well, if you’re not going to break it down for a learning exercise for the dudes on the home edition (and YOU…lol… i’m not kidding about real time spotting…lol), i will…lol She is tall and thin in the way older women start to get when they ARE GOING TO BE THIN dammit… On her way to that gaunt crone look. Well dressed though. Money. maybe… she could also be trying to impress her GNO buddies… now that i’m RP, i see these trios of 50s/60s girls ALL over the place… usually in some form of ‘trying tooo hard’ attire…and… Read more »

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ASD trying to pass off WK virtue signaling escorting defenseless women as machismo pussy slayer.

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Lol @EI…there was a real campus rapist who was active at the time. He might have been the thug who was following me. I didn’t hurt him–I just scared him off even tho he was a lot bigger than me. I picked up a club. There’s some real pick up game.

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“All the others are younger or have marriages or girlfriends as a primary source…..” @ Palma Your calculus yet applies universally as if I treat my woman as a friend, kiss but then no bang then feed her or whatever non sex activity, I’m voluntarily orbiting, not leading, and she adjusts, I don’t really know where she might be at next time. Example being giving her time and affection before the bang. How many times you’re out and see guys feeding their wives or dates in a counterproductive attempt to bang? Sex and food and what else provisioning (even emoting… Read more »

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Palma

Lolz…

Yeah they flip out if you don’t let them off easy… Like that woman from the other FR… Forgot to mention she stormed out in such a huff she forgot her Iphone. Left it on the bar…

Thought about smashing it for a sec…

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@EI Scaring off a thug marks you as dangerous, which generates tingles. It wasn’t about white-knighting at all. I could have shot some random dude and generated tingles. Forgot to mention she stormed out in such a huff she forgot her Iphone. Left it on the bar… Reminds me of the time that I invited a woman to go to my truck and she left her cell and her purse inside the bar. This caused her friend to start a search for her since her friend didn’t know that she was going outside with me. The search eventually led to… Read more »

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Palma’s entire long post is spot on. The only thing I would add is that if you don’t make out with her then you must set a sexual man/woman vibe some other way. Otherwise you will end up with the opposite problem of being in the friend zone. It doesn’t have to be much – calling her sexy will do. Openly checking her out and her tits. Other body language cues. Etc. But you have to do that. Oh and light kissing is fine btw. Just not heavy make outs – you basically don’t want her getting turned on and… Read more »

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” I invited a woman to go to my truck and she left her cell and her purse inside the bar. ”

This is a cock block gambit.

Either this happens

” This caused her friend to start a search for her”

Or when you try and leave with her she says “my phone and purse are inside”…

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Thought about smashing it for a sec…

Too crude. Lots of other opportunities. Look into her browser history and talk with others about it…

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This is a text from a woman after I told her I don’t really do women friends

Excellent. More evidence that women are strong, independent and totally capable of handling rejection “just like a man”.
Can’t understand why men don’t want to spend time and money on her.
Complete mystery, eh?

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This is a cock block gambit. Nope. This girl chased me for the next eight months after she went to my truck and tried to convince me to have sex with her. The girl was a major drama queen. Not interested because I had a strong suspicion that she would tool me by getting me to fall in love with her, then use that to manipulate me and cheat on me. No, when the girl left her purse she was into a fantasy where we were sneaking out of school to go drink beer in the parking lot. We “sneaked”… Read more »

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” The “cockblock” was inadvertent. ”

it seems that way… it doesn’t work that way though. At a minimum she is preserving her option to call. Things left behind should tell you something.

“The girl would have wanted me to go to her place anyway.”

Sing for me Donnie! “If ifs and buts were candies an’ nuts…”

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Ok, let me break it down for you guys. I suggested sneaking out to drink beer in my truck after dancing. The girl is a dance geek. Dance geek girls don’t wear their purses when they dance. The girl had a gf who was sitting at the table where she left her cell and purse, although the gf had gone to the head when we went to dance. The gf was gonna come back to the table and take care of the cell and purse. The gf was a potential cockblock and the girl likely didn’t wanna be cockblocked, so… Read more »

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Lmao @ the cock block gambit. But speaking of laughing, take a look at @Palma’s imgur link about the 6’1″ chick. Do you think that sort of humor only works on older women and nerdy girls (read: ugly)? Because if I want to make a girl (in her 20s, which is I think the target market Palma’s interested in) laugh via text, its really this sort of stuff that I’ll send girls: https://imgur.com/a/Kto8NIO

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J “Do you think that sort of humor only works on older women and nerdy girls (read: ugly)?” Not at all. It works on all girls. The caveat is the timing. Most successful pulls have the girl at some point saying “OMG, you’re such an asshole, I cant believe” etc. HOWEVER they are saying these things once attraction is established. There is some bubble formed. If you say something that gets this kind of reaction typically but without attraction it’s a turn off. Just being rude. When it works it’s because you’ve set the frame “I am different from other… Read more »

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lol not the one about the chick spazzing out on Palma. I’m referring to the link above @theasdgamer’s post. About “low bridges” and “cattle grids”

I really don’t see any of the girls (under 25) I’ve been with responding to that sort of humor.

Maybe Brits have a wildly different sense of humor from American girls (I wouldnt know cause I didn’t try to pick up any girls while living in London. Pre-PUA phase).

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she’s 6’1” and I’m 5’8”

“Cattle grids”, lol.

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Just dropping in…

Number closed a regular from the dance scene last weekend and turns out she’s at least 40. Must be good genetics as I thought she was younger than I am.

What clever ways do you all use to figure out age? Typically I’ll steer them towards milestones like graduating college and deduce from there. The obvious way is asking them directly but that’s not always the easiest.

I’m meeting plenty of girls in different activities that I participate in just not finding the ones I’m looking for.

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@Catchers

Usually they’ll ask me first. then I simply make them guess. Which sets it up for me to guess their age in return via cold read (“hmmm ok, well by the way you’re dressed…”).

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Age

Doesn’t really matter. Usually you can get a sense with school or work.

“I’m meeting plenty of girls in different activities that I participate in just not finding the ones I’m looking for.”

So you need to start doing different activities..

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Over the last couple of decades, social media has allowed women to straight up LeapFrog guys that they would ordinarily compete viciously for. With that trend continuing probably indefinitely, what chance would regular average guys have beyond more or less faking your alpha status until you make it? Even if you did develop alpha status, social media and the internet at large make it pretty easy for someone to do a little bit of detective work on another person. or at the very least, find someone that they’re certain is of higher value than the guy she’s with currently. I’ve… Read more »

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How long have you been a virgin?

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With that trend continuing probably indefinitely, what chance would regular average guys have beyond more or less faking your alpha status until you make it?

Don’t take any short cuts…no social media…cold and warm opens…no faking alpha status…raise your T-levels…lift weights…improve your convo and social skills…improve your nonverbal communication…get a high quality social circle…meditate and think about what it means to be a man, biologically speaking…

…or you could live in your parents basement and wack off to porn…probably the route most guys go…

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And for men, the competition only getting more intense amongst ourselves since men are by and large hated by society. worse yet, it’s more less than acceptable for men to seek help to certain degree still, and if we do we’re Shane for it. Decades ago I might have been much easier for men to find decent partners or women to be around (my estimation and perspective), but now it seems like all of the cards are stacked against men. Who has thoughts on this, do you see things changing in the future, and what are some simple things men… Read more »

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the competition only getting more intense amongst ourselves since men are by and large hated by society

Betas are hated by society. The competition is only intense among betas. And betas are more feminized than ever, so it’s actually quite easy to win among betas if you have at least moderate levels of testosterone.

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Evil Morty: “Speeches are for campaigning. Now is a time for action…”

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“faking your alpha status until you make it?”

Good luck with that. They can feel it the minute you walk in the door before you open your mouth.

Assessing this is in their DNA.

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““faking your alpha status until you make it?”” Let’s not be too hasty gents. “Faking” til you “make it” is a well proven Game concept. A lot of Game/MM postures, gambits etc. when well practiced provide an effective simulacrum of Alpha. Enough for “making it” when “making it” is a SNL or a short term thing. Remember Actors are acting but really good actors, well they are making the audience feel real, genuine emotions. Faking wont Make you Alpha all the same… Now if Ocimda is still looking for concrete steps to becoming Alpha, well the first would be setting… Read more »

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“Faking” til you “make it” is a well proven Game concept.

In certain contexts, it makes sense, such as how you carry yourself. You might feel like an incel loser or feel insecure, but you can still stand tall and walk with a spring in your step and your thumbs hooked in your pockets or belt.

This rule won’t help you get very far, though, by itself. You have to do some self-improvement before you see women come when you build it.

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Sentient ““faking your alpha status until you make it?”” Let’s not be too hasty gents. “Faking” til you “make it” is a well proven Game concept. It’s a well proven learning concept, within limits[1]. Anyone who has been around a toddler, watching them pull up on the furniture, then take a step, then flop down onto their bottom, them pull back up on the furniture again has seen “fake it till you make it” in real time. It’s learning in action. Language teachers know, or ought to know, the value of proper repetition. Practice makes permanent. First time off the… Read more »

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Re math…

Old joke… Why do girls suck at estimating size? Because we tell them this (fingers spread four inches ) is eight inches…

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Hi all, wanted to report a bit and ask a suggestion. I got a ton of good feedback and so started practicing both conditioning and responses to shit tests. She’s being saying “you look different, you take better care of yourself, is there somebody else? just tell me” or this sort of things. I’ve managed to avoid verbal intercourse most of the time but not always. Trying to get better at real time responses. A pretty big test came up out of nowhere a few nights ago. Nice evening and we were in bed chatting about future plans. My job… Read more »

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@RC

Road trip!

Time for you to be gone for a week someplace fun. Unannounced.

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Too many men here are spergier than I am–they can’t calibrate well.

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“She’s acting as if it’s obvious that it’s going to happen, both because it’s her sister’s and because she deserves reparation. Do you guys suggest a pre-emptive clarification? Isn’t that putting me into her frame?” That’s just setting boundaries. She wants to get something ephemeral from a vacation. It is not in the best interests of your finance. She’s acting on emotion, you are acting on logic. I can’t see any problem with pre-emptive clarification. To which I assume you mean: tell her now it’s too expensive. Other than the problem that you will have to argue. Whatever you do,… Read more »

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RC “She’s being saying “you look different, you take better care of yourself, is there somebody else? just tell me” or this sort of things. ” Keep working on stuff that generates these comments and you will solve the rest. Best defense is a good offense! (This is all totally predictable and expected. You are doing great) “She’s saying she’s planning a vacation when her sister turns 40 next year ” Look she going to say a lot of shit. Best to ignore and focus on the above ATM. It’s a year out. You giving this headspace now is should… Read more »

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“She replies that now that she works she has bargaining power and she’ll stay where we are in case – to which I burst into a (sincere!) laugh – I just found funny what she said. ”

When you are hitting on all cylinders there is no way she is going to leave you all alone in a distant city… She had no bargaining power lol…

You: “K. You’re not coming. Got it. Keep up on the lawn. ”

Her: “Who is that in the background? Oh those are my neighbors Holly and Heather. They need a corkscrew.”

Etc.

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“Next up for you… More dread.” Keep working on stuff that generates these comments and you will solve the rest. Best defense is a good offense! This topic of dread came up this week when one of my buddies was doing great (like you are at this stage) and his girlfriend was acting shitty. https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/374wln/what_we_talk_about_when_we_talk_about_dread_13/ commenter Jack10ofHearts on MRP had a good framing of the dread game three years ago. It’s really long and wordy (so give yourself time to read it) but excellent. The TL:DR in my opinion is: keep following the script and make yourself the best representation… Read more »

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Hey thanks, as usual those links are great and I’ll make sure I read them well. @palma, I know – I think it was you posting about “alfie needs it”, right? Hopefully I’m not confusing you with somebody else. That story was eye-opening too. I’ve not heard that too much. In my case, it’s less about not being able to strictly afford it and more about sticking to a plan to meet other priorities.

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RC I’d not invest too much in that reddit thread. That whole thing is very Purple Pill. Sure it’s well written but the essential premise is off. It’s supplicating. Marketing yourself like a luxury brand? Nah She gets on board your train or she doesn’t. You are not marketing. The Olde MMSL explicitly had as the last stage – D eye vee orce… papers in hand. This stuff ‘So we don’t want to leave our wife and find a new one. We just want our current wife to stop sucking.’ is weak, and not RP. Teh entire point of DREAD… Read more »

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Rc A pretty big test came up out of nowhere a few nights ago. Nice evening and we were in bed chatting about future plans. My job may make us move and I jokingly said I’m gonna look for opportunities in LittletownX. She replies that now that she works she has bargaining power and she’ll stay where we are in case – to which I burst into a (sincere!) laugh – I just found funny what she said. See, you did that without thinking through or overthinking it, it was you natural response. You got this. She wants me to… Read more »

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Purple pill can be a bridge. Depends on the man and his external and internal reality. It worked fine for me as a bridge. Then I went more red pill with a little help from my friends calling me out on my blind spots and bullshit. Athol Kay was a fine bridge in the old day. But he was just a nerdy geek that had an unattractive wife and made some virtues out of necessity. (Let the cat ladies over-run the hen-house of male pursuit.). And didn’t believe in dread because it served his purposes. I don’t disagree with Sentient… Read more »

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Wife: Are you having an affair?

You: “No. Why do you think that?”

Wife: “Well you’ve been obsessed with working out, and you changed your whole wardrobe, and you’re basically never home… I’m worried, it’s like I don’t even know you anymore.”

You: “Busted! I’m Rc’s sexy doppelganger.”

That’s how you do it.

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hey I always get from here more than I was hoping to. Thanks.

@AR, I’ll tell Mrs. Rc she contributed to the cause with a great case study. (not).

@sjf and everybody, thank you. Encouraging words give you fresh energy. I am trying to read everything and process – in fact, I benefit a lot from going back through earlier posts a lot as well.

@asd, that’s actually great! That’s one test I struggled a bit with.

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I totally endorse what Sentient said. I got tons of great shit from EhIntellect outside of this blog. Their message is: Mistakes will be made, but proceed forward with full tilt masculine red pill. You can account for your mistakes later, but you can’t go slow or half way. They are not wrong. Repeat: I am 95% different from other men. I accomplished all my goals and am sexually satisfied. Only take anything I say for the value it brings you. I came from Beta. I used Purple Pill. I moved through that with collaboration to Red Pill. Red pill… Read more »

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@RC props!… you’re doing great!… and getting great advice… just want to point out some things… Hi all, wanted to report a bit and ask a suggestion. I got a ton of good feedback and so started practicing both conditioning and responses to shit tests. She’s being saying “you look different, you take better care of yourself, is there somebody else? just tell me” can you spot these as the compliance tests they are in real time?… or this sort of things. I’ve managed to avoid verbal intercourse most of the time but not always. Trying to get better at… Read more »

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Great follow up HABD Palma “In the interim I’ll probably call it out in the sales meeting and take the piss ” I had a weekly standing meeting and would not hesitate to drill guys who where flubbing or not delivering or making excuses. I’d say something like “let’s discuss proper email protocol” and give his example to the group and let the social pressure crush him while you sit and smile. Once he goes defensive you address the group on proper protocol amd your expectations and end with so Mr. X is that clear going forward? OK then. On… Read more »

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“But why the screwing me out..?”

Oh you Brits.. You mean staring.

Well you said he was queer…

No joke. I deal with queer stares on the reg. They have no filter.

Fags

Re the email he may be pissed he can’t bang you…

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@Blax, HABD, Palma, Rollo, Scribblerg, and Sentient: I have a conceptual question. It ties directly to Tomassi Iron Rule 3, which is the woman making you wait for sex. I’m calling Blax in because he says with Game (Blax definition of Game) over time you can bang almost any woman you want, which if I understand correctly he contrasts with PUA game, focused more on short term goals where you would “only” be able to bang a considerably smaller subset. Scribblerg often mentions his “long-game” to eventually get the bang, so I guess he is doing this to some extent,… Read more »

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IAS Well there is the pithy Iron Rule (which btw Rollo why don’t you have as a menu like Heartiste and the 16 C) and then there is the explanation: “What I mean is that if you’re still trying to figure out what the magic words are to convince some girl that she ought fuck you after 3 dates – or longer – you’re in desire negotiation hearings counselor. You are wasting your time and limiting your opportunity with better prospective women in waiting out a woman who would defer less than 100% of her real desire to have sex… Read more »

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Also implied in IR3 is THE guy being OK with waiting and he isn’t spinning concurrent plates, so he is limiting his sexual options…

It’s a tool to change the guy’s perspective.

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“There is a difference between 4 nights of LMR dates and you seeing a girl around 4 times for 5 to 10 minutes each then banging her the 5th time when you grab a drink and can isolate”.

Good point. But this is closer to social circle game oppose to true cold approach game (she’s not really a ‘stranger’ anymore). and the reason it works is due to the psychological phenomenon known as the Mere Exposure Effect.
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Pop Psych rubbish…
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Spend some time with her and report back… field is King!

[PS – the implication for your Lookism stuff is not good if you were right…]

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its not rubbish. your just using an extreme example (the exception proves the rule, yo!).

Just like if I were to post a pic of some 61 year old ugly fat indian guy trying to fuck HB9s via cold approach and the response would be “he just needs Game” and “be confident bro!”

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Lol. Mere exposure.

Where do they keep coming up with this stuff from?

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J its not rubbish. your just using an extreme example (the exception proves the rule, yo!). No… when you want to test a theory you expand it to its logical conclusions… So perhaps you’ve not heard of the term “familiarity breeds contempt”? I wonder how that phrase came to be… smh Hint – it’s not exposure it’s interaction. Bad interaction = bad results… You know that whole friend zone thingy? You get how that happens? You are mid 20’s hurtling towards 30 in the blink of an eye… Time to start getting understanding… I subscribed to Forbes from age 12…… Read more »

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Proximity and the mere exposure effect | Khan Academy

Start at 2:00

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heh @0:30 “we aren’t going to meet and fall in love with people we don’t have the opportunity to meet”

Well so much for the 100k instagram followers arguments… But she is BIG in Japan I say!

lolz

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