Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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kfg
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kfg

“Do you really want someone else to be raising your kid?” 1. I don’t recall the question being about me. 2. I do recall claiming to not be an Alpha, although that may be disputed depending on how you define it. If what you really mean is “is that a good idea?” biologically speaking the answer is yes. We would not be here and human if it didn’t work that way. I could spend hours, per page, bitching about the problems with Briffault’s book, but my problems would mostly revolve around precision, not accuracy. Virtually all of your ancestors were… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

Tigers aren’t doing whatever they want to do. They are following the biological dictates of “Tiger Society”… No tiger has dropped out, hitched to SFO and now spends it’s days doing street theater.

As to why… ???

Hit it kfg…

theasdgamer
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Virtually all of your ancestors were not raised by their fathers (or even knew who they were).

highly speculative

“They don’t even have a genetic investment in the kid.”

Insert face palm here. No wonder you didn’t understand the point about the tiger.

Humans are sooo like tigers, living solitary lives and all.

kfg
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kfg

“highly speculative” The state exists into the historical period. Aristocracies married first cousins, and even siblings, to deal with it. It was the only way The People could accept their hereditary legitimacy. The People were never certain of their paternity. While they did marry, they did not do so to form nuclear families and a person, man or woman, might “marry” a dozen times in a dozen years. This formed maternal lineage extended families. Which has allowed certain people to falsely cast this family structure as Matriarchal, ignoring the fact that the women still existed under the authority of men.… Read more »

theasdgamer
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“highly speculative” The state exists into the historical period. Aristocracies married first cousins, and even siblings, to deal with it. It was the only way The People could accept their hereditary legitimacy. The People were never certain of their paternity. See, as a boy, I had this plaque on my wall signifying that I was a junior member of the Society of the Mayflower. Maybe there was no marriage in the British Isles in the long distant past, but this is hardly relevant today or for recent recorded history…certainly, going back to the origin of Christian societies…fourth century Rome…for the… Read more »

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Let me mark this hallowed occasion on my calendar:

Today asd actually said that a thing that happened in the past doesn’t have relevance today.

How can this be?

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Men still run shit, right up until right now. During western slavery, even in the U.S., Make slaves had zero say, legal or otherwise, concerning their ‘ mate ‘ ( as marriages weren’t state sanctioned, nor did society recognize such pairings ) or their children. Segments of ‘ historians ‘ have misidentified slave culture as matriarchal, and in fact the only control was solely exercised by the state and the master who was granted rights via codified laws. Man still in charge. ‘ husband ‘ can go kick rocks. Don’t have to go back to mayflower for examples. Fast forward… Read more »

kfg
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kfg

” . . . this is hardly relevant today . . .”

Because biology is obsolete.

Do you even remember your premise?

kfg
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kfg

“Women gonna woman, but it still doesn’t matter as all ‘ power ‘ still granted and enforced strictly by men.”

The harder the anthropologists look for a matriarchy, the harder they fail to find one.

theasdgamer
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” . . . this is hardly relevant today . . .”

Because biology is obsolete.

Do you even remember your premise?

yes, but as regards marriage and the rearing of children, this was culture, not biology…reproduction is biology…laws about marriage are cultural

Anonymous Reader
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Anonymous Reader

“Anonymous Reader”
November 18, 2018 at 2:50 am

Imitation is a form of flattery. But not a very good form. Pick another handle.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“a long time ago about how there was zero correlation between how many kids one have and how alpha you are.”

j: Some website has spoken so we must never revisit this. I need all the validation I can get so I’ll make it up if needed.

Oh. Well, then it’s settled.

“Nigga straight up don’t give a fuck.”

Said only by the lilliest of white suburban teenagers.

Good morning.

CatchersIndifference
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CatchersIndifference

@j

thanks for the tips – did you read the situation the same way I did?

@sentient

I’m guessing it has to do with MPoO and to focus on what I want with confidence as opposed to wondering if it’s what she wants or not.

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Alpha is too hard a concept for men, particularly young men, to understand. Alpha can be ” not giving a fuck “, or not. Alpha can be remaining single and banging chicks forever, or choosing not to bang chicks at all, or marrying with no plans for kids, or having kids…. see where I’m going? The tendency to constantly point to and only see things in the extreme is incorrect and false. Alphas are in the prison system, homeless shelters, corporate boardrooms, the corner store – mimdset, not demographic. As someone is very fond of saying, ” get this “.… Read more »

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Look at it like this: fact- most sex is being had by non alphas in the woman’s frame. Sex does not denote alpha at all. Women are attracted to alpha, but the majority of them cannot define it. Sometimes they get fooled by false advertising because emotion/woman.

This is What partly drives the ” women cheat, divorce and take your shit/kids ” fear originates. Sex cannot bestow alpha on any man, you’re still whatever you were before, while getting sex. Women cannot define you – or shouldn’t.

Sentient
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Sentient

Catchers

On reading the situation – that’s why you have to make a move. Ya don’t know till ya know playa!

Seriously…

Once you start making a move then you find out “the rest of the story”… Keep watch on the IOI/IOD loop and compliance. Kino as a diagnostic… And be prepared for some recalibration when you just a move.

MPoO? Possibly. Self focus? Always good.

But Keep thinking about it. Could be self worth.

Sentient
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Sentient

Blax

If only there was a better definition of what “is” Alpha?

j
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j

@catchers ok re-reading: “The friend says she’s hungry” “near the end of the night” I skipped these two details when I responded to you. See I had a similar situation to yours a while back, with getting food to eat after getting these two girls out of the club with a wing. They were saying they were hungry and we looked around for a place that was open, then settled for a 24/7 dinner. and then as they ate, we saw the attraction go down. and they weren’t about it anymore. But we had met then in the middle of… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

Alpha, FI and such are observations of intersexual dynamic. They are not the dynamic. Any human conceptualization of natural law is always incomplete. Science is not nature. This is why PUA fails most if not all of its adherents as it reduces human nature into an algorithm. People aren’t mathematics. Reading half a story twice isn’t the whole story so when j offers yet another slick iteration of someone’s experience it’s always served with more sizzle than steak as to step outside his comfort zone is too threatening. People are often doubting Thomases and can believe only what they can… Read more »

j
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j

@blax The question wasn’t about sex, it was about the point of sex i.e. kids. And like I said, number of offspring does not denote how alpha one is. Similar to how in professional sports, how many championship rings one has does not denote how great a basketball player [how Alpha in our case] you are (Robert Horry has 7 championship rings, while Charles Barkley has 0, by that logic, Horry was a far superior basketball player than Barkley. Well then why is Barkley in the Basketball Hall of Fame and Horry isn’t?) I didn’t say the tiger IS Alpha.… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

j: “Expendability is a DHV.”

j: Here, hold my beer and let me show you Alpha.

j should practice what he preaches.

Blaximus
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Blaximus

J Not only did I.see the movie, but I actually know Alvin Spearman irl ( he’s not white…lol ). And his.wife and daughter. Idc how much the web tries to insist that alpha is always about how much of a fuck one gives, or how violent they are. Idiots too do dumb and risky shit. People with certain mental issues don’t ever give a fuck either. Extreme. Redefining incorrectly. So you really believe that ” not thinking ” about consequences is alpha? Every alpha just never cares about consequences or anything? Every one? Every alpha is subject to ending up… Read more »

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Re shit in face scene.

I understand the dynamic behind it. It ain’t alpha.

It’s foreign to you, so in searching to define by extremes ( or heartiste), it appears to solely be about alpha not giving a fuck.

That’s not what it is.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“not thinking ” about consequences is alpha”

LOL.

It’s j’s slipshod approach to life.

He doesn’t care about consequence as he’s done nothing of consequence. All trash talk, no chops. j has zero idea what he Blax is taking about. If he did he’d be back to square one incel without posing as da bomb. Oh no, what would j do then??

j makes all this shit up.

Lights on, no one’s home.

Blax, you are truly a man of good faith. If anything j should drop the canard of Alpha and all else and start there.

Sentient
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Sentient

“Risk taker” by itself is not an attraction switch.

“Successful risk taker” is…

j
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j

@blax “that bengal tiger will not think. He won’t discern between fucks given. He will react in instinct.” Yeah that’s what I’m getting at. Not thinking. Pure instincts. and as you say, “people develop a form of instinct based on prior experience”. Like when people ask you, WHY did you do that, and HOW did you know that was the right action to take at the time, you shrug, I don’t know. I just felt it was the right thing to do at the time. This is the goal of PUA with women. To operate at the same level of… Read more »

j
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j

@Sentient

“Successful risk taker” is…”

Right.

I was gonna link to this comment I just saw on CH’s post:

“Women’s ginas btw don’t just want “break all laws and rules” for sons (and thus fathers), they want sons who can do that successfully, without getting caught, that is sneaky seductors who can maximize their pumping-and-dumping by breaking all laws and rules and GETTING AWAY WITH IT.

That’s why most women’s ginas tingle for smooth uncaring-jerks; even if a minority of women’s ginas tingle even for thuggish uncaring-jerks”

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/defining-zero-fucks-given/#comment-887814

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Lol. AI.

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Women being attracted to murderers is instructive about some of them. It doesn’t correlate to men as a whole. Again, it’s not about them.

Sentient
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Sentient

Ok – if you are weary of Tiger Talk, limited understanding and defensive ego protection…

Try this…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3AKt3ntgdU

WIA and some bois kicking it. Old Skool stuff for expanding minds.

Let those with ears hear… and the rest can go fuck themselves… lol

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

Behold bloodthirsty murderous Alpha!

https://me.me/i/748350

mersonia
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Protect your egos lolol

IAS
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IAS

@Rollo: new comments plug-in is great, it is possible to go to the last page of comments easily. Thanks!

Not sure how much I like the “read more” thing, but it may be better than it was for scrolling past some long comments I don’t want to read, even if I have to occasionally click to “open” one that I do want to read.

In any case, going to last page easily is top 🙂

Sentient
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Sentient

Let’s see….
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Sentient
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Sentient

Sold!!!

theasdgamer
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Field Report tl;dr 1) not sure about the message from one girl, 2) pretty sure about the message from another, 3) branch-swinging girl 1) a girl friend I know was at my fav. bar & wanted a hug and said that she was there with her bf, but didn’t introduce him, so I introduced myself to him; she wouldn’t dance with me, but she danced with a younger guy…she has swatted my butt in the past several different nights and I butt-bumped her on the dance floor and she pushed back…I asked her where she met the guy and she… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

Field Report on last two nights out and Lay last night I’ve been going out on my own on organized bar / club crawls in my city. It’s taken a bit of time to get the hang of it because I haven’t set foot in a club in over 20 years and I’m rusty. Upside is I get waved in by smiling doormen while others are rooting through their pockets / purses for ID. These things are a mix of ages and personalities. Everything from local nerds that can’t get laid to banging young women / hen nights etc.. Last… Read more »

IRL
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IRL

@Palma Good fun man. Good to be out with you again, even if only virtually. On this: I thought I’d let it run so I walked to a different area in the club. I really thought he’d out done me and so I headed to the karaoke room You do realize it’s the same here: So he looks away from me and just walks out. That’s it – he just fucks off! Guys relying on what always works/-ed for them and expecting shit to just flow. When it doesn’t click immediately, they assume “that’s it” (or justify that “bitches in… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@IRL It wasn’t a conscious handing over of power because when he really pushed I shut him down but my gut did just say “let it run” because I felt chasing was going to be too try hard / DLV She needed to come to me by that state and the place was full of targets That has actually hit me walking into the club after 20 years. The place is full of sexually available women, that’s why they are there. I can’t imagine it’s changed over 20 years, I just think I see it now. Plus of course they… Read more »

echo
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echo

latest Bacchus Field Report from nextasf: ”Thursday night. I’m walking in the rain. Heading towards a semi-popular college bar. Frankly, I’ve had a rough time lately. Found myself in an intensely, emotionally-charged situation with a girl. Unfortunately not the pleasurable, or sensual combination of emotions that I find enjoyable. It had left me feeling angry, emotionally trapped, and on the brink of becoming domesticated. I’d even lost control of my own emotions a handful of times. My solution was to cut the girl out of my life. Not a particularly easy decision to make, and it seemed I’d been spending… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
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Anonymous Reader

In research it is difficult to get negative results published: “We hypothesized A, B and C but it turned out to be all wrong, don’t try this at home!” isn’t a career builder. Here is Neil deGrasse Tyson essentially providing a negative field report. “How Not To Get Anywhere With Women” and worse.

Men who want to get #MeTooed, this is how to do it…reading this text is like standing on a street corner, watching a bad driver heading into a clogged intersection against the light, it’s just a slow-motion wreck.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/neil-degrasse-tyson/on-being-accused/10156870826326613/

Don’t try this at home. Or anywhere else.

Sigma
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Sigma

Ok, I’m an OMG, and I haven’t been to the club scene in a very long time. This weekend I went to a company party where a few of the girls I work with convinced me to go to a club at about midnight afterwards. Within 5 minutes of being there, I had a couple of large ladies start hitting on me, one of which, probably a HB3 in her 40’s started grinding against me, grabbed my hands and putting them on her boobs, asking me “Where have you been all my life?” I was thoroughly grossed out, and made… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

Sigma

Serious question. Is this normal behavior for women in clubs now?

No different from 1985… 😉

IAS
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IAS

@Sigma: part of it was very likely that you arrived in the scene with a bunch of girls, i.e. you had pre-selection, which is the most significant Demonstration of Higher Value.

theasdgamer
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Serious question. Is this normal behavior for women in clubs now? Girls are still flirty. Spanking, grabbing ass, incidentally rubbing their tits against you, incidentally palming your crotch, incidentally palming your ass, nipping your ear while chatting with you. One of them put my hands on her tits on the dance floor. Others have wanted me to grind on them. A couple have jumped up and hugged me as they wrapped their legs around me. Girls are just flirty. It’s all fun. They don’t even have to be drunk. I can’t say that any large/ugly women have ever done this… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“Serious question. Is this normal behavior for women in clubs now?” @Sigma Step back and look at yourself, the entire scene, from a third person perspective. Were you obviously single and not seriously accompanied? If so, that lowers her inhibiton. Were you dancing with anyone in particular? If so, that raises her inhibition. Was anyone, not the fugly, dancing with YOU in particular, really into you? If so, that raises her inhibiton. Was that woman or women dancing with you pretty? If so, that raises her inhibiton Did you give the fugly the time of day (btw, that’s all the… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

earnest…..not erstwhile

Sigma
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Sigma

Well I did have a couple of HB7 and 8’s playfully grabbing my arm, brushing against me, and leaning on me at the party. One HB6 started putting her hands under my coat saying she was “looking for my name tag.” This was all good and fun, flirty and all. But I was shocked by how aggressively the one HB3 pulled me to her and had my hand in a death grip with my palm pressed against her tits. It was kind of a new experience for me. I have never had a girl invoke such feelings of revulsion in… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“determined to prove that I belonged to her.”

Comfort test, guard dog spin up? Did your wife mention sex?

Good FR, btw.

Sigma
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Sigma

@EhIntellect

LOL. No, that was a euphemism for “she fucked my brains out, while screaming ‘you belong to me!'”

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

Nice!

theasdgamer
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Good stuff, Sigma!

Sentient
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Sentient
Sentient
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Sentient

some random encounters… Haven’t been out of my city much, some game bleeding out in the backyard. Went into the market, passed an 8 in an aisle in an animated phone convo. Thought about interrupting her, but passed. Got on line, she is in front of me, still on the phone. She has a couple of things. day later I’m at a bar. Some 55YO is nearly begging me to do something to her. I’m really just mocking her sad life but it’s winding her up. she squeezes me when I’m talking to another guy, back to her, and when… Read more »

theasdgamer
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Went to my new bar Sat. night. I walked in and saw a late 40s woman seated whom I haven’t seen in over a year and I walk up to her and stand next to her, fairly close and say ‘hi’…the girl looks up and immediately asks me to dance, then recognizes me…we dance and she comments about how she has to remember how to dance with me…a couple of hours later, she is leaving with a scraggly old dude…I see them and wave ‘bye’ as they walk and do likewise…the girl stares at me quite a while as she… Read more »

theasdgamer
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She says “Look we are going to have a nice time and get along and all but then you’re going home to your wife…. I’m not doing that”…

…that’s good because I have friends but avoid home-wreckers…implying that she’d be a home wrecker if she doesn’t take the out of being friendly…agree & amplify…

IAS
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IAS

@Sentient: interesting bits indeed. @Everyone: I have some mini-FRs. Work trip, about one week. Go to do a hobby that I’ve been doing (Palma knows) two times. The group in my city has a girl which is from the city I’m visiting in this work trip. I do get asked if I know her, I do, some social proof. I DHV a bit (foreigner in a work trip also helps raise the interest it seems). I need to get more used to say I’m a potato farmer or “Guess” instead of just giving the answer right away. Dog logic. Anyway… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

IAS

How would Mystery engage a two set?

IAS
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IAS

Part 2: Another session (the one that ends with dinner). There are more girls around. One of the guys from last session was already there when I arrive. Then 2 girls and a guy arrive and engage and play with them trying to say something not so easy to pronounce in their language. Laughing all around. My 2 targets from last session arrive. In fact this time we need to change venue, I rapport break a bit and go with the guy from last session instead of with the 2 girls (I’m rejoining them anyway). The girl that comes on… Read more »

IAS
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IAS

@Sentient: he would befriend the non-target, but I had that done. I think they are/were both into me. In fact in the first session, as she had arrived before, secondary target was the first I engaged. Main target arrived when I was already playing with the secondary target.

Sentient
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Sentient

IAS

See “jealousy plotline”…

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@IAS “At end I invite her for dinner. She makes a sad face and says something like “you want to go for dinner?” I don’t back down, laser her and go “yes”. She is like “aaw… Not today” Very high investment suggestion there for some woman you just met = DLV “aaw” = puppy dog cute – does not equal “I want to fuck this guy” unfortunately. I would have tried a low resistance “bounce” of the pair of them to an adjourning coffee shop or bar and worked the pair at the same time. I just read “game” by… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

Palma
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bitters… there are many types. Just a few shakes in a glass of tonic and ice, garnish with citrus of your fancy (orange is good). Almost 0% alcohol diluted like this. But looks like a drink and the barman makes it up like a drink…

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@Sentient / IAS

Angostura bitters – couldn’t upload to imgur so loaded to my Fakebook account

https://m.facebook.com/home.php?ref=bookmarks

Should work..

Sentient
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Sentient

Palma I guess you need FB to access that link. IAS MM “PAWNING With women of particular quality, it’s often necessary to demonstrate preselection when gaming them. Before you open a set with a 10, for instance, you may first open an adjacent set with a 7 or 8, attract her, and put her on your arm. She is now your good-natured pawn. With this demonstration of preselection firmly in place, open the set with the 10. It should open easily due to your high perceived value. Your approach is also much less threatening with another woman on your arm.… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@Sentient

That was 2 minutes of my life wasted getting the barman to make one for the sole purpose of getting IAS laid and it’s been for nothing.

theasdgamer
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That was 2 minutes of my life wasted getting the barman to make one for the sole purpose of getting IAS laid and it’s been for nothing.

The story of most PUA’s lives…nothing to show for all their effort.

Palmasailor
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Palmasailor

@Sentient “Before you open a set with a 10, for instance, you may first open an adjacent set with a 7 or 8, attract her, and put her on your arm. She is now your good-natured pawn.” I wonder if that’s what’s happening intra set as well. For instance with hen nights, I’ve always done very well with them. In one memorable occasion about 7 years ago I jumped one in Cardiff where at least half (at least 10) of the hens were hostile, but I was speaking to the fuggo at the bar and we were piss taking. Ive… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

Palma If one woman is rolling round laughing then the others wonder why and want a bit. So true. This kind of interest can also be accomplished with just men. You and a wing can be having a good time, laughing, interacting etc. and it will pique interest among girls. Any display of dynamism and passion is good. It builds social proof. Another reason to game repeatedly in the same venues… You come in and the doormen, managers, waitstaff, regulars all approaching you saying hey, you shoot the shit, clap them on the back, receive hugs, high fives etc… The… Read more »

IAS
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IAS

@Palma, Sentient: thanks, I appreciate the effort from you guys.

Tactical question. If any of the girls I meet abroad show interesting in coming to visit, should I offer accommodation at my place? I can see pros and cons, best case scenario is very enticing, but I can also imagine bad cases arising from it.

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@IAS Girls you meet abroad coming to stay? Well not much to lose, but it’s still in the frame of you offering an unearned resource. You’re issuing a call option on that which I think is a DLV Some bloke could do a goldmund and bang her in your pad.. just think about that.. You’re thinking having her in your territory increases your chances. Couchsurfing would be better which would mean her “applying” to stay at your pad. I’m going live with that when I’ve finished my place. Why not just improve your game and not tie yourself to one… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@IAS Ok I’ve re thought how to explain how I feel about this. You’re still in the wrong mental place. You’re still in the place of offering a resource for ‘free’. They know it’s not free and you’re doing it because you want a shot at the real estate between their legs. Would you offer your place to a guy? No. Because you don’t want his real estate in your arse. Everyone knows that. But I would suggest you would be better offering it to a straight guy who could wing. Get yourself in the position where they are inviting… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

IAS

Your place? The one you share with your wife?

Not a fan. She should be willing to get her own place to stay to come see you, and you can go there. Or bounce her back to your AIRBNB or hotel.

Girls act strange when in another woman’s home.

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@IAS

Errrrrrr

“Your place? The one you share with your wife?”

I’d forgotten about that..

Sort of turbostupid idea… on the bright side if you bang her and she’s a squealer (like my recent Tokyo) your wife’s friends who live next door can let her know.

You sure you’re not subconsciously looking for events to conspire to blow up your marriage?

Most people get caught ‘on purpose’

IAS
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IAS

@Palma and Sentient: thanks. Pretty much what I was thinking but you articulated it a bit further. I did explicitly think of the “Goldmund” scenario (but I actually didn’t remember that I had read it from that Goldmund piece, because I sure would NOT pay for the trip). Re: offering the place to a guy, I actually would and did a few times (but the girls don’t necessarily know that I would). Re: sabotaging marriage on purpose / wanting to get caught: I’m not sure yet. Sentient has wondered about it in the past. That was one of the cons.… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@IAS

“Re: sabotaging marriage on purpose / wanting to get caught: I’m not sure yet.”

This needs a conclusion on your terms or you risk it being concluded on someone else’s terms.

Could be painful

IAS
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IAS

Mini-FR: back in my city, same hobby. Possible targets: the girl that is from the place I visited recently, another foreigner girl exchange student. I had number closed them both previously. They both showed up. Fast forward to end of session, girl from place I visited tells me she is leaving this week, and it is for good. Internally I’m like “Fuck, not enough time”. Externally I go “Sweaty hug!” give her a good tight hug. Longer than “normal”. Fine. I probe logistics she is walking to her hostel. I consider walking her (probably should have). They chat a bit… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

IAS

Too much emotional investment in these social circle girls. Scarcity mindset is a result. still you are learning.

Have you quit doing cold approach? You should go back to that to accelerate your learning.

Sentient
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Sentient

“I know I don’t have much time as it is only until the subway station.”

Why? Why didn’t you just lead her on an instadate instead of waiting for her train…? You started off leading right?

Spike! then lead on the high…

IAS
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IAS

@Sentient: fair comment on the cold approach, I should do more of that. I still do occasionally but I haven’t been clubbing. You and Palma with the recent FRs help motivate, but I should motivate internally by myself.

About the instadate: It occurred and I floated the idea, but a bit half-heartedly. I was quite badly dressed for anything other than sports, and we were both carrying large volume of gear on backpacks.

j
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j

@IAS “I probe logistics she is walking to her hostel. I consider walking her (probably should have)”. in hindsight its probably better you didn’t go with this option. Would have sucked to walk her all the way to her hostel, just to find out they have a “no unregistered guest” policy and you can’t come in lol. “Hug goodbye. We detach. She comes in for another hug” “just go to her platform instead of mine as if it was normal. Then if she asks about why I’m going her way I could say I want to escort her home or… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

Field report cafe interaction with20 year old HB 7/8 So I’ve started reading at the behest of SJF who sent me Francos Manual of seduction (2004) Though I’ve read quite a lot now on the subject of game I have never before understood precisely how to seduce a woman and how exactly their minds work compared to how the minds of men work. I’ve seduced them, but I never understand how precisely I did it. I must admit that when I first read and understood how they need to be handled I thought it would be a chore but I… Read more »

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@IAS

“I floated the idea, but a bit half-heartedly”

Yup

And she knew it at every level of her consciousness.

“Not dressed for it”

Come on man… fucknasty raw sex is best when you’ve ripped half her clothes off and you’re sweaty and dirty.

Sentient
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Sentient

Palma

Now put your transcript through the IOD/IOI loop model…

Note the IOD, the IOS, the compliance/qualification tests… Your rewarding… Etc.

Flows perfectly in MM way.

And you hooked into Poon Commandment IX

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

Which is good. But the structure is better. The structure of the IOD/IOI loop overrides everything.

Sentient
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Sentient

Again… This is all real good. “IX. Connect with her emotions Set yourself apart from other men and connect with a woman’s emotional landscape. Her mind is an alien world that requires deft navigation to reach your rendevous. Frolic in the surf of emotions rather than the arid desert of logic. Be playful. Employ all your senses. Describe in lush detail scenarios to set her heart afire. Give your feelings freedom to roam. ROAM. Yes, that is a good word. You’re not on a linear path with her. You are ROAMING all over, taking her on an adventure. In this… Read more »

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Last night I went to my new country bar…danced some line dances…one girl came up and introduced herself to me afterwards…said she was with her bf…told me where she works…lol… I flirted with a waitress who said that she wished she was allowed to dance with customers…very attentive and looking for a fantasy trip… …but the bar was pretty dead, so I went to my favorite…parking lot was packed…a couple of staff asked me where I’d been…resorted to reasonable excuses… …I hung out with a very cool older guy…we danced with the same girl…he dared me to ask a “very… Read more »

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@Sentient

Yup but the DHV is the connecting with her emotions bit

That’s the difficult bit for 50 year old men who fall into beta bux frame automatically

It worked yet again tonight

Dunno who these two are but they didnt know each other 4 hours ago

https://imgur.com/a/0zVODFu

palmasailor
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@Sentient

We also discussed sex.

She started it, because those who aren’t getting something talk about it the most.

I was vague on my arrangements.

I told her that most people don’t understand it. Sex starts to happen between 12 and 24 hours before I meet a woman for the physical act.

Plus, it happens for the most part in the hole between her ears not the one between her legs.

She said “so you actually do that with more than one women? I mean you really do?”

“Yes” I said

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