Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

11,175 comments

  1. RE: YouTube videos –

    Lol.

    My daughter has a channel for makeup and fashion.

    There are millions of chicks with these channels, and a lot of it would be informative for guys that don’t grasp the whole makeup thing, and get fooled when they go out.

    This is what makes ” 8&9’s” rarer in the first place. Makeup doesn’t turn a 7 into a nine. Your eyes are being tricked, or you don’t really care as much about 9’s as you think you do.

    *laughing emoji here*

  2. I remember a rendering company in the salvage district, they backed a large dump trailer in and filled it with bones,then shipped it to a makeup factory, the smell of rotting flesh like lactic acid and flies everywhere. Every time I see makeup I am reminded where it comes from.

  3. @Blaximus

    Probably just a side effect of Russian hackers interfering in the election.

  4. @blax

    “Notice: Makeup, Hair style/coloring, false eyelashes, mascara( nobody seems to leave home without it ), lipstick/lip gloss, nails ( majority fake ), Eyebrows ( plucked and enhanced and reshaped )”

    https://content1.promiflash.de/article-images/square600/sarah-jessica-parker-guckt-ernst.jpg

    https://2img.net/h/s29.postimg.cc/8dkgqfop3/aracelyint.jpg

    ya cause if I were to remove all the shit you listed above from both these women, they’d both be equally ugly HB4s underneath it all.

    “As far as acne/zits go, nobody with skin and hormones is 100% immune”.

    lol would you like me to list the supplements/skin care products I use?

    “Makeup doesn’t turn a 7 into a nine”.

    agreed.

    “Your eyes are being tricked”

    nope. I know a 7 from a 9. I could upload a pic from my phone if ya want. Don’t know if imgur allows nudity tho lol.

  5. J

    No, I told you to go and look.
    Those are professional, but shitty makeup jobs. Lol.

    Gals have upped their game.

  6. @j

    “i want men to have a chance to actually SEE what is right in front of you… do you ever just ‘look’ at girls when you are just out living your life?… and actually SEE what is there?…”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcwN9fNw7N4&t=

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmxaN8g2XNA

    Hideous!!!!!

    lol… did watching those makeup videos give you NO insight into sarging HB9+s?…lol… i mean REALLY?…lol

    spot the zits on Taylor Hill…lol… (6:40 and 7:36 show up pretty well…)… and did you SEE those cold sores?…(or she got burned by the crack pipe…lol)…uhhh!…lol… and notice how that makeup really emphasizes the wrinkles under her eyes…lol…

    we should start a meme…lol… spot the zits on [‘hot’ girl]…lol

    spot the zits on Cindy…lol… (1:27 shows up pretty well… and notice that zitty mess on her left cheek…lol… there’s a REASON she is being lit from her right side…and she never really shows THAT side of her face (notice the hair flip and putting on the makeup away from the camera at 1:51…) until she gets that heavy (second layer) foundation on to cover that up…lol)… and YOU could see that she ‘started’ that whole video with ‘some’ basic foundation already on, right?…lol…

    seriously, would you even hesitate to approach either girl at a coffee shop?… i mean REALLY?…lol… even though they are Natural Beauties ™…lol

    good luck!

  7. @HABD

    hmmm. I guess I don’t really mind a couple of zits on a girls face. I think if I just instantly like a girl’s face, (without makeup, Taylor Hill is still very beautiful to me) which include: the shape of her eyes, color of her eyes (for me it’s green and brown, as my #1,2, respectively), facial bone structure, full lips (not Kylie Jenner lips), I can tell she’d still be beautiful underneath the makeup.

    Like in @blax’s video he shared above @3:52 pm, if you pause at the the 2:55 and the 6:02 mark, those girl’s faces are already beautiful (to me) pre-makeup. As for the rest of the girls in the video, no matter how talented the makeup artists, none of them really go from meh to “holy shiiiit she’s so fucking hot, man!!!” lol

  8. “holy shiiiit she’s so fucking hot, man!!!”

    Lmao.

    No woman is that hot really.

    Just a ….

  9. The thing is, a lot of women want you to fall down and worship at the alter of hotness. They want you to think that of them.
    Many relish it.

    But…

    None respect it, or love it, or submit to it. Eva.

    There are special designations for the worshippers: Beta. Orbiter. Chump.

  10. The thing is, a lot of women want you to fall down and worship at the alter of hotness. They want you to think that of them.
    Many relish it.

    Every woman wants validation and it’s part of a relationship. But how you give that validation can make your validation more valuable than the validation of a chump. Say you do it in the manner of a lord giving a gift to his lady vs. a chump worshipping at a pussy pedestal.

  11. @blax

    “The thing is, a lot of women want you to fall down and worship at the alter of hotness. They want you to think that of them.
    Many relish it.”

    I know broski…..Just wanna bang dem hot women Vs dem not hot women. know what i’m sayin 😉

    “Say you do it in the manner of a lord giving a gift to his lady vs. a chump worshipping at a pussy pedestal”.

    or very simply:

    only compliment her when she does things for you. and reward her, when she changes her bad behavior for you. So that, she’s conditioned, it feels good to please you and it feels bad not to.

  12. validation is given freely, not as a reward, although generally it’s given during and after the bang…don’t confuse relationship maintenance with dog training

  13. @j

    @HABD

    hmmm. I guess I don’t really mind a couple of zits on a girls face.

    neither do i…lol… my goal (and Blaximus’ too…) is to get you (and the other YSGs and some OSGs and maybe some OMGs too…lol) to actually SEE what is right in front of you… and the FIRST step is to SEE past the makeup… that’s actually the easiest/hardest part…lol… it’s easy bc it’s just ‘looking past teh paint’…lol… and it’s hard bc in order to do THAT you have to actually see past your social conditioning that girls are always ‘truthful’…lol…

    seeing girls for what they actually ARE is not a bad thing…lol… it doesn’t diminish their value, it just changes that value… as well as your approach to them… which is much better for you… and them too… for any girl lucky enough to be able to interact with you anyway…

    but it does take some effort to break through that social conditioning… and it does take away a lot of the ‘magical mystery’ of girls…lol

    I think if I just instantly like a girl’s face, (without makeup, Taylor Hill is still very beautiful to me) which include: the shape of her eyes, color of her eyes (for me it’s green and brown, as my #1,2, respectively), facial bone structure, full lips (not Kylie Jenner lips), I can tell she’d still be beautiful underneath the makeup.

    i actually liked her better when she first started… = pre-foundation even… even with that burn on her lips from that crack pipe…lol

    Like in @blax’s video he shared above @3:52 pm, if you pause at the the 2:55 and the 6:02 mark, those girl’s faces are already beautiful (to me) pre-makeup.

    and i agree, they were both smokin’… even with their zits…lol… (did you spot the fact that they both started with at least some ‘foundation’ already on?… and 2:55 already had her ‘base coat’ finished… and that the video was focused on just hitting ‘highlights’ of the finishing touches?… )

    As for the rest of the girls in the video, no matter how talented the makeup artists, none of them really go from meh to “holy shiiiit she’s so fucking hot, man!!!” lol

    lol… that shouldn’t even be a real thing for you… at least at this stage of your journey into ‘girls’…

    and i agree about the makeup… most of that video was pushing the social conditioning idea that ‘surface level’ is ALL you should be ‘seeing’… and i’m so tuned into the FI that i get almost a physical cringing reaction (nails on a chalkboard) to THAT shit…lol… and especially that redhead at the end… i think that makeup completely destroyed her actual beauty… but that was part of the social conditioning…

    bonus interweb points if you spotted the social conditioning message aimed at girls…

    good luck!

  14. Trans-ageism game. Age is just a number, ya know?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/07/dutch-man-69-identifies-20-years-younger-launches-legal-battle/

    “When I’m on Tinder and it say I’m 69, I don’t get an answer. When I’m 49, with the face I have, I will be in a luxurious position.

    “Transgenders can now have their gender changed on their birth certificate, and in the same spirit there should be room for an age change.”

    The Dutchman said he is discriminated against because of his age, and that he encounters problems in society on a daily basis. The court is due to deliver a written ruling within four weeks.

    This is even better than the man down in Argentina who officially changed himself to a “woman” in paperwork so he could retire earlier.

    But, y’know, I don’t think Tinder checks government records, even in Holland.

  15. @AR – man that fits me so well – I was discussing that just a couple weeks ago. A 40yo trapped in 59.5yo body. Tragedy. If they can legally change ‘gender’ why not age?

    /s

  16. @Anonymous Reader: re: Argentina “woman” retiree…

    First I laughed.

    Then I thought: that is actually quite a good idea just to mess up the system. Not sure I would do it myself if I could though…

    Interesting to think about…

    @DisgrutledEarthling: and then, after reading DE’s riff on it, I realized this has one particular danger Rollo has mentioned. This can easily be a step in the direction of “legalizing” certain kinds of pedophilia – a “teenager” in an adult’s body, gets legally shifted to be a legal teenager, no longer statutory rape.

  17. “This can easily be a step in the direction of “legalizing” certain kinds of pedophilia”

    Yeah, I don’t know how to respond to that. On one hand that statement can be seen as the FI hand on your should making sure older men man-up to the older women and on the other the pedo aspect slippery road. Both type of people have been in existence forever and different cultures have handled them in various ways I guess.

  18. As a father of 2 girls, and godfather to many more, pedophilia isn’t really an FI thing in the whole.

    There are quite a number of dudes out there that don’t have an ” age restriction ” mentality. From my perspective, the number is high enough to signal some kind of problem.

    But it’s one of those things that a man doesn’t notice until he has daughters and something ugly happens with an older man that should know better.

    This is why I’m not a huge fan of the constant chant of ” younger, hotter, tighter ” shit in the sphere, because some men can’t rationally apply this notion.

    Irrational.

  19. “On one hand that statement can be seen as the FI hand on your should making sure older men man-up to the older women and on the other the pedo aspect slippery road.”

    The issue resolves itself when you note a phenomenon which all traditional cultures have taken into account:

    Puberty.

    This worked every where and every when until late Victorian London moralists decided to fuck up (as it were) a perfectly functioning, reality based, system, over issues that, for the most part, only existed in Victorian London* but nevertheless got promoted well beyond those confines in both time and space after the FI commandeered what was originally an essentially Calvinist idea.

    *Manchester and Glasgow had issues along that line, but not at the level of London.

  20. ” . . . a man of a particular time, place and class doesn’t notice . . .”

    It has been a non issue for most fathers of daughters, most of the time.

  21. That’s why I mentioned ” different cultures” and times in my comment. Today’s culture is strict in it’s definition on sexual coming-of-age but there’s been a high level of variability in the past depending on the time and location of the culture.
    But yeah, like Blax I have 2 older daughters. I struggle with this aspect in my own life.

  22. ” . . . there’s been a high level of variability in the past depending on the time and location of the culture.”

    No, there really hasn’t. It has invariably revolved around puberty. Note that the traditional marriageable age in Christian society is 12.

  23. The social formalization of just-pubescent sex was created as women at any age aren’t considered freewilling actors in the sexual process. Saying they are is high-minded but benighted and tends to social decay. DISCLAIMER: I am not judging anyone here.

    Blax wrote about all the women he’s shagged with religious symbolism nearby as if any of that symbolism was a prohibition of sex outright. We’re supposed to fuck. It’s just recommended by certain religions to be done under certain circumstances for the best outcome for the woman, man and potential children and downstream the neighborhoods, cities…….

    The more you have invested in the moment the more you want to do the right thing in the moment and that at some point requires a guy to think of what’s best for others and act accordingly. It sounds sacrificial but it’s not, is self-preservation.

    Abandon those principles enough and motus in fine velocior.

  24. Is pedophilia an FI issue? If you consider that certain religions accept it as the norm as their prophet leaders did before them,and certain feminists support and promote those religions obllivios to what they represent,and certain men support those women also oblivious to their motivations. Pedophilia does seem to have FI roots.

  25. “Abandon those principles enough and motus in fine velocior.”

    In Rome legal marriage was a privilege of the aristocracy. The Plebes did not have estates, so their breeding was simply “animal” and of no particular interest to the State. It was shortly after marriage being extended to the Plebes (by Christians) that Rome fell.

    Our own traditions for handling such social issues is fatally broken, although our traditions are not at all what most people suppose them to be (the faux 50s having become a sort of religion), and they are not broken symmetrically. Where they give some advantage to men they are discarded. Where they give some advantage to women they are jealously guarded.

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

  26. “Is pedophilia an FI issue?”

    It destroys the Patriarchy if it isn’t something that men oversee (by black letter law motherhood is inherently sexual abuse, so women are not held to the same standard as men, no matter the letter of the law).

    ” . . . religions accept it as the norm as their prophet leaders did before them . . .”

    I am no particular supporter of those religions, but cannot help but note that marriage there and then meant something very different than it does here and now and has no connection to pedophilia.

    Which does not at all imply that pedophiles did not marry, just as they may well do so today.

  27. @Foxguy148

    “The problem to solve for here is that the kid will not go out with a bang, but will most likely suffer for many years due to the poor decisions women, this is a dangerous game,”

    Someone always gets hurts and you can’t control how things are going to play out….. You can only put your best foot forward . It’s vanity thinking that keeping them from getting hurt is the right move.

    ” I can still tell if the wrong woman gets a hold of him it’s over man. These two are what would be considered mysogonistic by current society, yet even they are extremely vulnerable. These are your children with dynamite and they don’t even know it, they think they are fully in control, that’s the problem”

    Its never over .

    “Develop your own mental point of origin and it will open many doors for you,

    You keep saying this but don’t say how you think an individual can do it……… You want people to develop a mental point of origin and avoid pain………………

    @orson

    ” “At the begining the Army unit is just shooting at everything for the fuck of it with huge fire power and getting disastrous results.”

    lol that is a good analogy for the PUA who does 100 approaches and scores only once or twice!

    You seem like a autism writer so I won’t spend long on you… lol ..its enough dealing with SJF and ASDgamers spam.

    The 100 approaches is to get over approach anxiety son.

  28. Someone always gets hurts and you can’t control how things are going to play out….. You can only put your best foot forward . It’s vanity thinking that keeping them from getting hurt is the right move.

    also…back to getting hurt…I got hurt in fights…got bullied…went through a painful breakup…got fired…several times, lol, I’m autistic…it only made me stronger…I learned to make lemonade from lemons…you get beat up, you take boxing lessons and other martial arts…you get better at dealing with bullies…

    ” I can still tell if the wrong woman gets a hold of him it’s over man. These two are what would be considered mysogonistic by current society, yet even they are extremely vulnerable. These are your children with dynamite and they don’t even know it, they think they are fully in control, that’s the problem”

    Its never over .

    …til the fat lady sings…oh, wait, maybe the fat lady is the wrong woman???

    Did I call it or did I call it?

    This is how its done boyz

    kudos…unfortunately, it’s not prudent for me to flirt on social media…or schedule meetups or dates…the most I can do is schedule group meetups or parties…so social media for me is kind of useless for birddogging…not admitting shit here, either…lol…

    …did I mention that Mrs. Gamer was pawing at my junk this a.m.? I didn’t even flirt with her. Ultra low energy game. When you achieve this level of game, post it here…lol…

    You seem like a autism writer so I won’t spend long on you… lol ..its enough dealing with SJF and ASDgamers spam.

    You have a bright future. 😉

  29. ”…did I mention that Mrs. Gamer was pawing at my junk this a.m.? I didn’t even flirt with her. Ultra low energy game. When you achieve this level of game, post it here…lol…”

    lmao.

    Wanna see some FR’s from j and scars this weekend. I was reading some old posts on here earlier, and it used to be so much better

  30. @mersonia

    “You seem like a autism writer so I won’t spend long on you… lol ..its enough dealing with SJF and ASDgamers spam.”

    No one asked you to spend time on me mr. retard writer.

  31. There is a reason for “incel”… Most afflicted won’t overcome their reasons, because – reasons…

  32. @SJF: props on that bench press. What is your bodyweight?

    I’m lifting 5 sets of 5 usually at the bw percentages:

    1.5 of bw, low bar squat (deep) and deadlift
    0.9 of bw, bench
    0.6 of bw, overhead (not using legs)

    Given that I’ve been doing it for 2 to 3 years now I think that is kind of low.

    I started on SL 5×5, was on Texas method more recently for some months, and one of the gym trainers used to do powerlifting so I got him to make a plan (included in the membership). He put me on a resistance Push-Legs-Pull plan for a month and now on some pyramid hypertrophy Push-Legs-Pull plan for a month or two, then I will go back to Texas method to see if I increase my loads.

    Frankly I’d rather keep it as simple and effective as possible but if changing the plans cyclically is the best way to go so be it.

    @KFG: not so long ago you mentioned some studies (and ASD thanked you for the tip) pointing out that very slow movement with maximum load was great stimulus for getting stronger. Would you mind posting links? I’d like to show them to the guy making my plan at the gym.

  33. Relationship FR

    Mrs. Gamer wanted a little drama last night when I said that I was going out. She picked at me for leaving the cupboard door open and for leaving an empty sweetener packet on the counter. I gave her a little pushback about me picking up her mess all the time, then headed out the door. Didn’t get mad and throw a fit and didn’t say mean stuff. This a.m., Mrs. Gamer was again her sweet, flirty self.

    The drama probably was needed because I introduced Mrs. Gamer to the young girl who wanted to meet me for coffee/dancing and the girl stared daggers at Mrs. Gamer (when Mrs. Gamer wasn’t looking) after an initial smile. I’m sure that Mrs. Gamer caught the glare and it spiked her hamster, haha.

  34. Wanted to update this link of the very best advanced PUA material:

    https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-99/#comment-262329

    In addition to both of JP’s infields in The System, and Riker’s SS course, after having gone through Riker’s Language and Conversation course now, I can recommend it. Like other practical books, don’t just read it and be done with it. Actually go through the various examples in the course and use them infield, to make this shit really stick. This is the product, that the top PUAs over at NextASF (Bacchus, Teevster, and Kant), fully endorse.

    And next, is this hour long clip by Todd, that was recently added to The System, on becoming the prize:

    https://mega.nz/#F!GOZBzCLD!y6w7qMEMER8SzMVx41tyFQ?fWJRWIaB

    (in the link, there are two videos. “week7” is on pulling. “week8” is on prize)

    It’s not advanced game shit, like L&C, but in this clip, Todd does an excellent job breaking down what is “value” (Competence, Health/Fitness/Aesthetics, and Social Feedback (Power & Popularity)) and how to show it (Social Proof (Actual & Implied), “Knowing the Dance” (Good Game), Fashion/Style/Gym, Life Facts Conveyed “by Accident”) . Later in the clip, Todd goes into comfort. A topic, which is still confusing to some folks. And concludes by answering some Q&As.

  35. Fun Falsie Fodder Field Report

    A while back, while I was dancing with a girl, one of her falsies made an appearance out of the top of her outfit. I remembered this last night and made it part of my evening fun. It happened like this…

    I was chatting up a guy at my bar. Didn’t know him before last night, but we hit it off well and chatted for a while. I’ve danced with his gf before and she’s quite smoking…looks a lot like the Bond girl who was an accountant, only younger, with blond hair and smaller boobs. So, anyway, the guy starts to introduce me to his gf and I tell him we already know each other and have danced before. He suggests that we dance, so I agree and ask her to dance. And I say to her, just make sure your falsies don’t make an appearance. Of course, it was an outrageous comment and the bf played along and the girl didn’t deny having falsies. She wanted to know if that had happened to me before, so I told her about a previous dance partner who had had a “wardrobe malfunction.” The previous girl had just poked the offending cone section back into place and continued dancing like nothing had happened–she was very chill. Everyone thought that she had been pretty cool.

    So, I went and danced with the girl and it was nothing special. But after that, whenever I was chatting with her bf, the girl was touching me covertly and incidentally–hand on the back as she passed behind me…leg against leg as she passed…kicked my boot once…I laugh thinking about it now…

    …and I used this as fodder for convo with other girls during the night…once I accused a woman with big boobs of having falsies and she was amused…other girls wanted to hear my “falsie report”…lots of fun was had by all…

    …be outrageous and have fun…even librarian types enjoyed the falsie topic…

  36. She wanted to have sex! She was just waiting for the right guy to approach her! She was horny! She just needed a man to approach her with confidence and sexuality. All I did was say “hi”, she did most of the work after that!

    My first Same Day Bang from a college campus! On my 8th approach, after a nearly 2 year break! So ironic! The Game gods blessed me again! BECAUSE I PUT THE WORK IN!”

    Pua Icon, huh?

    This shit is pathetic. Even more so considering his supposed experience, understanding and age.

  37. Waitaminute…

    Roosh didn’t post this shit ^^^^^

    I still say ” fuck Roosh “, but he’s not flipping his shit over college girls online.

    Correction.

  38. Mersonia

    ” You keep saying this but don’t say how you think an individual can do it……… You want people to develop a mental point of origin and avoid pain………………”

    I got a few minutes before I head out to watch the Game and stuff my face full of hot wings, burgers and beer.

    Rollo has said the mental point of origin is useful in the same way that when you are on a plane, you are instructed that if an emergency cause the oxygen masks to deploy, you need to put your mask on FIRST before you assist anyone else.

    You first.

    How? Think about it like this here: There will be a bunch of decisions that you will have to make over the next 50 or so years, but starting right now, for 90% of those decisions, your first thought should concern yourself first. How will ” X ” affect me and my life. Not ” what should I do” or ” what would people say/think if I did thusly “.

    Joe Blow offers you a job selling lobsters door to door, and he’s offering a salary of $250,000 a year to start plus commissions on lobsters sold. Your first thought shouldn’t be about the sum of money. Your first thought should be ” do I want to sell fucking lobsters?”, then ” do the pro’s outweigh the con’s for me to consider this “. If you think first that you don’t want to let the money earning opportunity slip away, or you don’t want people to mock you for turning down the amazing opportunity, which of those two options are centered around you first?

    With females, where do your wants and needs and desires fit? Many men go into an ” it’s all about her ” mode, and society at large will loudly applaud.

    Your interest first, then you can help others with their oxygen masks…. if you’re into that sort of thing.

    As far as pain goes, how many times has your pain been caused by somebody else? Somebody that let you down or fucked up your shit? Making yourself the focal point of your life greatly minimizes others ability to cause you much pain at all. You depend on yourself to do what’s in your best interest always.

    First it’s a mountain, then it’s more than a mountain, then it’s just a mountain again.

    I think one of man’s greatest hedge against feminine fuckery is to keep his eyes on the prize that stares him back in the mirror every day.

  39. @mckay

    Giovonny doesn’t hid the fact, that he runs numbers game [1] (aka hit on a shit ton of college girls until you find one that happens to likes older men, then close her). This is why, @lendhispeaks (also 40+ years old), asked a couple weeks ago [2] , where exactly did the older men on this blog, meet all the young girls they are supposedly banging. A few comments below his question, I listed 5 venues where you can find young chicks that go to those venues, seeking silver foxes (I mean pretend for a second you’re a chick. and for whatever reason you got an old guy fetish [3]. Are you gonna hit up nightclubs to find said old guys or are you gonna google/ask your friends who like old men, where can I meet THOSE guys? hmmmm) And that’s the thing. Instead of going out (ok you’re a guy again lol) randomly spam approaching 50 young girls, like Giovonny does, to find 1 girl, you can instead vastly reduce that number to about 3-5 chicks, before taking home one of them. If your game’s good enough.

    [1] https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-28843.html

    [2] https://therationalmale.com/2018/10/23/past-indiscretions/comment-page-2/#comment-264841

    [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjtxo6gmns0

  40. “This shit is pathetic. Even more so considering his supposed experience, understanding and age.”

    There will be a bunch of decisions that you will have to make over the next 50 or so years, but starting right now, for 90% of those decisions, your first thought should concern yourself first. How will ” X ” affect me and my life. Not ” what should I do” or ” what would people say/think if I did thusly “.

    OK it’s fucking boring in here. So I’m going to Ramble On. And On. And On.

    Yep, it’s called the law of False Purposes. There is nothing wrong with that shit in the right purposes. But operate in a vacuum? Good luck with that.

    It has to due with true intention. And avoiding making yourself your own mini-god.

    There seems to be something missing there, to the OMG’s and Old Wise Guys. It’s subtle. That’s why Blax is calling bullshit. There is something missing. There is nothing wrong in the execution, but there is something missing in the long term pursuit of mission.

    Once again, there is nothing wrong in that guys execution, it’s just that he is rejoicing over a short term goal. That’s the subtlety. It’s a false gods mentality. He reached to goal line. Great. What about winning the Super Bowl.

    Here’s what he did:

    From Robert Greene’s Laws of Human Nature.

    Create a ladder of descending goals. Operating with long-term goals will bring you tremendous clarity and resolve. These goals—a project or business to create, for instance—can be relatively ambitious, enough to bring out the best in you. The problem, however, is that they will also tend to generate anxiety as you look at all you have to do to reach them from the present vantage point. To manage such anxiety, you must create a ladder of smaller goals along the way, reaching down to the present. Such objectives are simpler the further down the ladder you go, and you can realize them in relatively short time frames, giving you moments of satisfaction and a sense of progress. Always break tasks into smaller bites. Each day or week you must have microgoals. This will help you focus and avoid entanglements or detours that will waste your energy.

    At the same time, you want to continually remind yourself of the larger goal, to avoid losing track of it or getting too mired in details. Periodically return to your original vision and imagine the immense satisfaction you will have when it comes to fruition. This will give you clarity and inspire you forward. You will also want a degree of flexibility built into the process. At certain moments you reassess your progress and adjust the various goals as necessary, constantly learning from experience and adapting and improving your original objective.

    Remember that what you are after is a series of practical results and accomplishments, not a list of unrealized dreams and aborted projects. Working with smaller, embedded goals will keep you moving in such a direction.

    And then move on to this:

    I say: The more this Red Pill goes on, the more so I see immeasurably great stuff coming out of the Red Man Group men principals. Rollo, Donovan, BlackLabelLogic, Rian Stone, Rich Cooper, et. al. (Oh, and special mention of Jack Donovan. He has true intention. Oh and Sentient and my dear Blaximus.)

    And the more I see greatness from my In Real Life Red Pill buddies. And myself.

    What is going on with these guys is not the law of Aimlessness, which seems to stick to PUA gurus like a booger, that and the profit motive…. It’s pure intention in the pursuit of purpose and mission.

    The Law of Aimlessness

    Unlike animals, with their instincts to guide them past dangers, we humans have to rely upon our conscious decisions. We do the best we can when it comes to our career path and handling the inevitable setbacks in life. But in the back of our minds we can sense an overall lack of direction, as we are pulled this way and that way by our moods and by the opinions of others. How did we end up in this job, in this place? Such drifting can lead to dead ends. The way to avoid such a fate is to develop a sense of purpose, discovering our calling in life and using such knowledge to guide us in our decisions. We come to know ourselves more deeply—our tastes and inclinations. We trust ourselves, knowing which battles and detours to avoid. Even our moments of doubt, even our failures have a purpose—to toughen us up. With such energy and direction, our actions have unstoppable force.

    So here is some practical advice in the back of Chapter 13 of The Laws of Human Nature by Robert Green, Advance with a Sense of Purpose. (don’t be just randomly fucking around all your life and then wake one day to wonder what the fuck is going on?):

    Heh, Quote:

    The Lure of False Purposes

    “The gravitational pull we feel toward finding a purpose comes from two elements in human nature. First, unable to rely on instincts as other animals do, we require some means of having a sense of direction, a way to guide and restrict our behavior. Second, we humans are aware of our puniness as individuals in a world with billions of others in a vast universe. We are aware of our mortality, and how we will eventually be swallowed up in the eternity of time. We need to feel larger than just the individuals we are, and connected to something that transcends us.

    Human nature being what it is, however, many people seek to create purpose and a feeling of transcendence on the cheap, to find it in the easiest and most accessible way, with the least amount of effort. Such people give themselves over to false purposes, those that merely supply the illusion of purpose and transcendence. We can contrast them with real purposes in the following way: The real purpose comes from within. It is an idea, a calling, a sense of mission that we feel personally and intimately connected to. It is our own; we may have been inspired by others, but nobody imposed it upon us and nobody can take it away. If we are religious, we don’t merely accept the orthodoxy; we go through rigorous introspection and make our belief inward, true to ourselves. False purposes come from external sources—belief systems that we swallow whole, conformity to what other people are doing.

    The real purpose leads us upward, to a more human level. We improve our skills and sharpen our minds; we realize our potential and contribute to society. False purposes lead downward, to the animal side of our nature—to addictions, loss of mental powers, mindless conformity, and cynicism.

    It is critical that we become aware of these false forms of purpose. Inevitably all of us at some point in our lives fall for them because they are so easy, popular, and cheap. If we can eliminate the impulse toward these lower forms, we will naturally gravitate toward the higher, in our unavoidable search for meaning and purpose. Here are five of the most common forms of false purposes that have appealed to humans since the beginning of civilization.

    The pursuit of pleasure: For many of us, work is just an irritating necessity of life. What really motivates us is avoiding pain, and finding as much pleasure as possible in our time outside work. The pleasures we pursue can take various forms—sex, stimulants, entertainment, eating, shopping, gambling, technological fads, games of all sorts.

    No matter the objects of the pursuit, they tend to lead to a dynamic of diminishing returns. The moments of pleasure we get tend to get duller through repetition. We need either more and more of the same or constantly new diversions. Our need often turns into an addiction, and with the dependency comes a diminishing of health and mental powers. We become possessed by the objects we crave and lose ourselves. Under the influence of drugs or alcohol, for instance, we can temporarily feel transported beyond the banality of our lives.

    This form of false purpose is very common in the world today, largely because of the cornucopia of distractions we can choose from. But it goes against a basic element of human nature: to have deeper levels of pleasure, we have to learn to limit ourselves. Reading a variety of books for entertainment, in rapid succession, leads to a diminishing sense of satisfaction with each book; our minds are overwhelmed and overstimulated; and we must reach for a new one right away. Reading one excellent book and absorbing ourselves in it has a relaxing and uplifting effect as we discover hidden riches within it. In the moments when we are not reading, we think of the book again and again.

    All of us require pleasurable moments outside work, ways to relieve our tension. But when we operate with a sense of purpose, we know the value of limiting ourselves, opting for depth of experience rather than overstimulation.

    Causes and cults: People have a profound need to believe in something, and in the absence of great unifying belief systems, this void is easily filled by all kinds of microcauses and cults. We notice that such groups tend not to last very long. Within ten years they already seem passé. During their brief existence, their adherents will substitute extreme conviction and hyperbelief for a clear vision of what they are after. For this purpose, enemies are quickly found and are said to be the source of all that is wrong in the world. Such groups become the means for people to vent their personal frustrations, envy, and hatred. They also get to feel superior, as part of some clique with special access to the truth.

    We can recognize a microcause or cult by the vagueness of what its disciples want. They cannot describe the kind of world or society they desire in concrete, practical terms. Much of their raison d’être revolves around negative definitions—get rid of these people or those practices and the world will become a paradise. They have no sense of strategy or defined ways of reaching their nebulous goals, which is a clear sign that their group is merely about the release of emotions.

    Often such groups will depend on large public gatherings in which people can become intoxicated by numbers and shared feelings. Wily rulers throughout history have used this to great effect. People in a crowd are highly suggestible. Through short, simple phrases, with lots of repetition, they can be made to chant back slogans and swallow the most absurd and irrational ideas. In a crowd people can feel relieved of any personal responsibility, which can lead to violence. They feel transported beyond themselves and not so puny, but such enlargement is an illusion. They are actually made smaller by losing their will and their individual voice.

    Allying ourselves with a cause can be an important part of our sense of purpose, as it was for Martin Luther King Jr. But it must emerge from an internal process in which we have thought deeply about the subject and are committing ourselves to the cause as part of our life’s work. We are not simply a cog in the machinery of such a group but active conthey already seem passé. During their brief existence, their adherents will substitute extreme conviction and hyperbelief for a clear vision of what they are after. For this purpose, enemies are quickly found and are said to be the source of all that is wrong in the world. Such groups become the means for people to vent their personal frustrations, envy, and hatred. They also get to feel superior, as part of some clique with special access to the truth.

    Money and success: For many people, the pursuit of money and status can supply them with plenty of motivation and focus. Such types would consider figuring out their calling in life a monumental waste of time and an antiquated notion. But in the long run this philosophy often yields the most impractical of results.

    First, more often than not such types enter the field in which they can make the most money the fastest. They aim for the biggest paychecks. Their career choices have slight or no connection to their actual inclinations. The fields they choose will tend to be crowded with other insatiable hunters of money and success, and so the competition is fierce. If they are zealous enough, they might do quite well for a while, but as they get older, they begin to feel restless and ever so slightly bored. They try different avenues for money and success; they need new challenges. They have to keep finding ways to motivate themselves. Often they make big mistakes in their obsessive pursuit of money because their thinking is so short term, as we saw with those who went all in on the derivatives frenzy leading up to the crash of 2008.

    Second, money and success that last come from remaining original and not mindlessly following the path that others are following. If we make money our primary goal, we never truly cultivate our uniqueness, and eventually someone younger and hungrier will supplant us.

    And finally, what often motivates people in this quest is to simply have more money and status than other people, and to feel superior. With that standard, it is difficult to know when they have enough, because there are always people with more. And so the quest is endless and exhausting. And since the connection to their work is not personal, such people become alienated from themselves; the pursuit feels soulless; they are workaholics without a true calling. They may become depressed or manic, and they will often lose what they have gained if they become manic enough.

    We all know the effects of “hyperintention”: If we want and need desperately to sleep, we are less likely to fall asleep. If we absolutely must give the best talk possible at some conference, we become hyperanxious about the result, and the performance suffers. If we desperately need to find an intimate partner or make friends, we are more likely to push them away. If instead we relax and focus on other things, we are more likely to fall asleep or give a great talk or charm people. The most pleasurable things in life occur as a result of something not directly intended and expected. When we try to manufacture happy moments, they tend to disappoint us.

    The same goes for the dogged pursuit of money and success. Many of the most successful, famous, and wealthy individuals do not begin with an obsession with money and status. One prime example would be Steve Jobs, who amassed quite a fortune in his relatively short life. He actually cared very little for material possessions. His singular focus was on creating the best and most original designs, and when he did so, good fortune followed him. Concentrate on maintaining a high sense of purpose, and the success will flow to you naturally.

    Attention: People have always pursued fame and attention as a way to feel enlarged and more important. They become dependent on the number of people applauding, the size of the army they command, the crowd of courtiers that serve them. But this false sense of purpose has become greatly democratized and widespread through social media. Now almost any one of us can have the quantity of attention that past kings and conquerors could only dream about. Our self-image and self-esteem become tied to the attention we receive on a daily basis. In social media, this often requires becoming increasingly outrageous to capture eyeballs. It is an exhausting and alienating quest, as we become more of a clown than anything else. And each moment that the attention ebbs ever so slightly, a We all know the effects of “hyperintention”: If we want and need desperately to sleep, we are less likely to fall asleep. If we absolutely must give the best talk possible at some conference, we become hyperanxious about the result, and the performance suffers. If we desperately need to find an intimate partner or make friends, we are more likely to push them away. If instead we relax and focus on other things, we are more likely to fall asleep or give a great talk or charm people. The most pleasurable things in life occur as a result of something not directly intended and expected. When we try to manufacture happy moments, they tend to disappoint us.

    As with money and success, we have a much greater chance of attracting attention by developing a high sense of purpose and creating work that will naturally draw people to it. When the attention is unexpected, as with the success we suddenly have, it is all the more pleasurable.

    Cynicism: According to Friedrich Nietzsche, “Man would rather have the void as purpose than be void of purpose.” Cynicism, the feeling that there is no purpose or meaning in life, is what we shall call having “the void as purpose.” In the world today, with growing disenchantment with politics and the belief systems of the past, this form of the false purpose is becoming increasingly common.

    Such cynicism involves some or all of the following beliefs: Life is absurd, meaningless, and random. Standards of truth, excellence, or meaning are completely old-fashioned. Everything is relative. People’s judgments are simply interpretations of the world, none better than another. All politicians are corrupt, so it’s not really worth it to get involved; better to abstain or choose a leader who will deliberately tear it all down. People who are successful get there through gaming the system. Any form of authority should be naturally mistrusted. Look behind people’s motives and you will see that they are selfish. Reality is quite brutal and ugly; better to accept this and be skeptical. It’s really hard to take anything so seriously; we should just laugh and have a good time. It’s all the same.

    This attitude presents itself as cool and hip. Its adherents display a somewhat apathetic and sardonic air that gives them the appearance that they see through it all. But the attitude is not what it seems. Behind it is the adolescent pose of appearing to not care, which disguises a great fear of trying and failing, of standing out and being ridiculed. It stems from sheer laziness and offers its believers consolation for their lack of accomplishments.

    As hunters for purpose and meaning, we want to move in the opposite direction. Reality is not brutal and ugly—it contains much that is sublime, beautiful, and worthy of wonder. We see this in the great works of other achievers. We want to have more encounters with the Sublime. Nothing is more awe-inspiring than the human brain itself—its complexity, its untapped potential. We want to realize some of that potential in our lives, not wallow in the cynical slacker attitude. We see a purpose behind everything that we experience and see. In the end, what we want is to fuse the curiosity and excitement we had toward the world as children, when almost everything seemed enchanting, with our adult intelligence.”

    “The whole law of human existence consists in nothing other than a man’s always being able to bow before the immeasurably great. If people are deprived of the immeasurably great, they will not live and will die in despair. The immeasurable and infinite are as necessary for man as the small planet he inhabits.”—Fyodor Dostoyevsky

    —Fyodor Dostoyevsky

    P.S. One of my anonymous visionary Red Pill buddies emailed me this.

    There is something going on here in PUA. And I’m not trying to put a damper on the enthusiasm of PUA. Because I think that shit is great. Life in the field feeds Red Pill.

    Is it any wonder that some OMG’s and some LTR icons shine with enthusiasm about life? Even if it isn’t over. Something is going on there. I have that going on in my real life. I think Life is Beautiful. Really and truly.

    This is not an advocacy for LTR. It’s an advocacy to not have false prophets who can’t figure out their own shit.

    So here’s a note he sent me:

    “Absorb purposeful energy. We humans are extremely susceptible to the moods and energy of other people. For this reason, you want to avoid too much contact with those who have a low or false sense of purpose. On the other hand, you always want to try to find and associate with those who have a high sense of purpose.“

    Visionaries weren’t always visionary . They, too, have moments of doubt and and feel they’re in the middle of something inchoate. These people seem incompetent and untrustworthy. They may sense they’re incompleteness and shy away from others to gather their ideas in a rational manner, but what if the ideas are irrational to most people, there they sit stuck trying out their ideas on the world piecemeal which doesn’t really work as a greater idea needs all the moving part moving to understand if it’s legitimate. They might reach out to others, too, boldly discussing their ideas which comes with a lot of danger as publicly discussing RP or spirituality outside of conventionality risk public scorn.

    I note the authenticity of people. They might not have they right answers but the right attitude reflects a steady understanding of themselves especially in unsteady times. These guys can be trusted to functioning in good faith to themselves primarily and then others. It’s not so much about trust but is this person worth investing time because his operating principles are valid, honest in good and bad (humility) or full of pride and fear of failure or showing weakness in times of cognitive dissonance?

    The PUAs at TRM are not to be trusted, IMO, as they full-court-press and ape what has been written and demand that everyone accept it as the complete gospel of life now and forevermore. It should simply speak for itself if it works so well on and off websites.. It doesn’t so that’s why they hammer and hammer anyone disparaging it as they are soo invested and to take that away invalidates them as people.

    That’s why I say this isn’t about sex as sex is part of a greater development of our capacities and to stop with sex as a goal is to stop waaaay short of anything sustainable and authentic.

    I think Blax would agree…

  41. @j ”Giovonny doesn’t hid the fact, that he runs numbers game”

    I know! I think maybe you’ve misunderstood my post. I wasn’t trying to mock or undermine him! He done good! And he IS somewhat of an icon over at roosh’s forum from what I’ve read. People look up to him how he can still bang the odd teenage girl in his 40’s. And game IS a massive numbers game so i’d agree with his approach anyway

  42. This is gunwitch MMA seduction game applied in a cold approach. I do tend to find most stuff a bit cringey with the vague cold reads (applies to everyone) although it seems to make up basically all of his game, so I guess he’s got faith in it

    http://witch60.com/ukrainian-chick/

  43. Jesus.

    Mind who you make an icon, and why you do so.

    Standards are falling though the fucking floor. The bar is 6″ below ground.

  44. Jesus.

    Mind who you make an icon, and why you do so.

    Standards are falling though the fucking floor. The bar is 6″ below ground.

    You need to put the cookies on the lower shelf.

  45. @echo

    Lmao. I get those “uh doesn’t everybody?” Vs “omgggg how did you know??” reactions to my cold reads, early on when she’s not fully immersed in the conversation yet. At the start, this dude (that’s not Gun), is just firing out Gun’s material line for line lol. He does better later on when he starts teasing her about her abs, guessing his age, and the age difference.

    Gonna break down that ending tho, cause that shit was money.

    Whereas the majority of guys would have settled for the number there (“ok cool. well you seem like an interesting person. let’s exchange numbers, and then we can meet later 🙂 *cough *cough London daygamers *cough (to which she’d not reply) where she’s turning down his invite to the bar (because she knows having a drink is gonna take a while and fuck up her plans she set out to accomplish that day, because at this point she’s still ehhh/unsure about him), he handles her 3 objections: 1) he’s too young for her. He handles this by making fun of the age gap (“what were the 70’s like?”) and then solidifies it with “its not about the time tho, its about what you do with your time” 2) she has to go to work tomorrow. he says he has to work tomorrow too, which makes her come up with one more excuse. 3) needs sleep. To that he gives her a False Time Constraint (‘lets go hang out for 10 minutes on a bench”) and then makes her agree (“you got 10 minutes right?”) (because now to her mind, it’s “just 10 minutes” (she can still do her plans) Vs getting a drink at a random guy you’re still not too sure about at a bar, which could last several hours), then he spikes her emotions when she declines again (“I’ll send you the bill for my time”). Then as her emotions are high (RSD: spike then lead), he invites her again by saying, “sure. we can sit in the park”, as if SHE suggested it, to which she says “ok” (because NOW this guy *could* be alpha fucks based on how he just handled himself to her objections (most guys can’t). Which according to Mystery Method, would be classified as a DHV (Demonstration of Higher Value).

  46. @blax

    I would say he’s serves as an inspirational figure rather than a PUA icon. Because he’s still out there hustling, going after the girls he wants, who happen to be 20+ years younger than him. Two things society frowns upon. Whereas most guys his age, are just following society’s LTR script.

  47. @mckay

    “game IS a massive numbers game”

    It’s not. Being an approach machine until you find a girl who went out the mindset of “i’m gonna go get some random dick tonight” IS numbers game. On any given night, there will be a number of DTF girls (YES girls), Maybe girls, and NO girls. The girls that came out for dick, WILL get dick. So screening EVERY girl until you find one of them is relying on fool’s mate, really. And if that’s your strategy, you’ll be disappointed and go home with dick in hand more times than not, simply because there aren’t as many of them out at bars as in the past (due to girls getting dick from hot guys on Instagram/Tinder). You’ll end up like this mid-30s guy, who got laid like crazy in his 20s with freebies, but hasn’t had sex in the past 2 years:

    https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/night-game/329544-i-am-in-despair-i-got-to-half-century-relying-on-fool-s-mate-freebie-game-but-now-i-haven-t-been-laid-in-2-years-those-freebies-seemed-to-dry-up-overnight-and-do-not-know-what-to-do

  48. @j
    ”On any given night, there will be a number of DTF girls (YES girls), Maybe girls, and NO girls. ”

    Exactly. That’s what i’m saying

  49. Right. Any man can just go ‘ approach ‘ 50-100 women in any given day and hit paydirt. They just have to realize that’s a way to meet their objective and destroy any anxiety related to getting massive rejections.

    Game is not ever about the numbers. When younger, I used to rely more on high numbers when I’d wake up in the night and realize I wanted sex before noon, lol. But it didn’t take very long to get that I could Game 5 chicks and get satisfaction, rather than approaching 20 chicks to read their mind. Game makes up their minds for them.

    Then you progress.

    I just don’t get the glee that a 43 year old man experiences because he approached a bunch of 20 somethings and got a hit. Girls fuck. Age is mostly situated between one’s ears, and doesn’t matter to ‘ them’ as much as you might think.

    But you can’t be a goof with old man ways. There’s a distinct difference between thinking ‘ old ‘ and being mature. Young chicks dig maturity because young guys usually don’t have it yet.

  50. Young chicks dig maturity because young guys usually don’t have it yet.

    Maturity brings along competent leadership. But you have to be old like Dean Martin or Bob Hope, not like the guy behind the walker.

    Zoglin quotes former Hope writer Sherwood Schwartz on Hope’s womanizing in the late 1930s: “We’d go to a hotel, I swear to you, outside his room were three, four, five young, beautiful girls, waiting to be picked by him to come in . . . He was a star enjoying his stardom.’’

    Several of his love interests met untimely ends.

    After he crowned the Welsh beauty Miss World of 1961 (above), Hope “took Frankland on his 1961 Christmas trip to the Arctic, supported her when she moved to Los Angeles to pursue a film career and gave her a small part in his 1965 movie ‘I’ll Take Sweden,’ ’’ Zoglin writes. Publicist Liberman told the author the affair went on for “nearly 30 years,” and the comedian called her “the great love of his life.’’

    https://nypost.com/2014/10/31/bob-hope-sex-machine-often-cheated-during-his-69-year-marriage-new-bio/

    Blax, did you ever want to be cool like Bob Hope?

  51. “Young chicks dig maturity because young guys usually don’t have it yet.”

    The capacity to endure pain increases with age. The capacity for pleasure to satisfy decreases with age. Though increasing pain never becomes pleasure, increasing pleasure soon becomes a pain.

  52. @SJF

    “OK it’s fucking boring in here. So I’m going to Ramble On. And On. And On.

    …gay and you wonder why no one takes you serious

    “There seems to be something missing there, to the OMG’s and Old Wise Guys. It’s subtle. That’s why Blax is calling bullshit. There is something missing. There is nothing wrong in the execution, but there is something missing in the long term pursuit of mission.

    Once again, there is nothing wrong in that guys execution, it’s just that he is rejoicing over a short term goal. That’s the subtlety. It’s a false gods mentality. He reached to goal line. Great. What about winning the Super Bowl.

    Find out whats missing and come back………….

    Also there’s nothing wrong with celebrating short term goals buddy……..Not everyone can win the superbowl

    “I say: The more this Red Pill goes on, the more so I see immeasurably great stuff coming out of the Red Man Group men principals. Rollo, Donovan, BlackLabelLogic, Rian Stone, Rich Cooper, et. al. (Oh, and special mention of Jack Donovan. He has true intention. Oh and Sentient and my dear Blaximus.)

    And the more I see greatness from my In Real Life Red Pill buddies. And myself.

    ……………………………………..I wonder if you suck people off in real life 2.

  53. ””On any given night, there will be a number of DTF girls (YES girls), Maybe girls, and NO girls”

    Yep, it’s the mark manson thing of game being played on the maybe/yes girls only (Not the ”no girls”)

    PS – finally got a wing who is super into actually approaching (he’s into mysterymethod) and went out with him on Saturday night to game. Fun to see how other people compare and hopefully some interesting observations going forward. (i’ve always basically gamed on my own as none of my mates do cold approach). Last night I noticed he was good at opening, but other than that he struck out every time (maybe 15 approaches?) None of the girls were into him despite his best efforts. Fun though!

  54. @Blaximus

    nope……….just a actual response how one is suppose to actually develop their mental point of origin since someone said they were doing it wrong ( the person the question was directed too.)

    A response to the question ….not someone talking about mountains….

  55. Speaking of mountains…

    “how one is suppose to actually develop their mental point of origin…”

    Mental point of origin lies in what one values. Example: If someone incessantly and facilely writes about methodizing a natural human experience, and then makes some bank from it and/or gets laid, and he thinks everyone should do it that way too, well, then his MPoO is in that method, not the experience.

  56. Re Vice “article”

    If you guys put down your pee pees for a minute, you might realize she is actually attracted to frame and masculinity.

  57. @echo

    Go in behind him and say you’re his probation officer / he doesn’t get out much and take the lead from him etc..

    I used to do the opens and burn some turf and my wing would come in, calm the waters and we’d do a double comedy act then venue bounce the pair.

    The comedy act between you takes over temporarily from gaming the girls and they are just spectators while yiuntwo have fun Male banter.

    Then they want to become part of it

  58. @Eh

    It was generally a riff but there were some structured parts but these only arose from previous riffs that had worked

    Generally we’d reduce it to ridicule

    Lines included : “I know what you’re thinking, is it really him or is it a cardboard cut out?”

    “Ignore him, he’s a lifeguard in a car wash and I’m his probation officer”

    My wing was welsh, and I used to claim he lived behind the gasometer- not sure what the US equivalent of one of those is

    All of that stuff can go if for miles into ridiculous territory – problem was it could often lose really stupid women, though if we were having fun it was infectious

  59. .just a actual response how one is suppose to actually develop their mental point of origin

    now Mersonia… You know about The Platinum Rule right?

    Do what you want to do, when you want to do it.

    This is a reliable way to develop your mental point of origin…

  60. @Sentient

    “she is actually attracted to frame and masculinity”.

    5:05 – 5:15

    Watch this chick’s instant honest signals reaction to Julien’s comment about who’s the oldest guy she’s ever been with:

    https://youtu.be/S0SJjINRZmU?t=305

    ….you think the author of the Vice piece would have instantly reacted the same way lol?

    It’s more than just “masculinity and frame”. In the Vice piece, she talks about how she grew up in the 90s fantasizing about Tommy Lee Jones in MIB, Harvey Keitel in Pulp Fiction and Bruce Willis in Die Hard…..while all the other girls her age were fantasying about these guys:

    https://thoughtcatalog.com/rob-fee/2013/11/the-40-biggest-teen-heartthrobs-of-the-90s/

    pretty boy looks w/ masculine traits:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/24_gossipboys_lg.jpg

    Vs

    rugged old man looks w/ masculine traits:

    http://www.encadenados.org/rdc/images/stories/sin_perdon/num_91/space_cowboys_3.jpg

  61. Do what you want to do, when you want to do it.

    This is a reliable way to develop your mental point of origin…

    Maybe expressing a corollary would help…

    Don’t give a shit if what you want to do might violate society’s expectations.

    Example: I go out dancing without Mrs. Gamer. This violates society’s expectations. I don’t give a shit about those expectations. Do I get quizzed about why Mrs. Gamer isn’t with me? Of course. Weekly. “Mrs. Gamer doesn’t like to do threesomes.” “Mrs. Gamer doesn’t like to see me dancing with other women.”

  62. I admit, I always get a kick out of what younger guys use to define ‘ masculine ‘ currently. The definition always centers around something feminine -like. Women.Don’t define masculinity, they react and are drawn to it biologically.

    Ignore the gynocracy approved stuff.😂 those are media driven fads.

    You.want to be timeless and authentic. No stress that way.

    That’s why Carey Grant would be able to pull across generations. It’s also why the backstreet boys don’t.

  63. @blax

    “That’s why Carey Grant would be able to pull across generations”.

    …..which included men:

    https://nypost.com/2016/08/08/inside-cary-grants-secret-life-with-men/

    “It’s also why the backstreet boys don’t.”

    Cause they’re all married now…..think they lost interest in going out to slay new girls, since they already fucked a shit ton of girls during their youth, like you.

    Now young girls fantasize about whoever are the new masculine pretty boys (no clue…..ask your daughters….but I doubt it’s the masculine cast members of “The Expendables” (yes there are young girls who still get wet for Sly and The Governator (if you’re an old guy, target those girls)….but that’s a niche market…not representative of the whole).

  64. Oh yeah, imitation isn’t flattering irl.

    Don’t look to copy. This is why younger women will bang much older men ( that aren’t using walkers or using cpap machines and oxygen tanks ). An older man’s best bet is to be mature and never try hard to act young and ape what younger guys do.

    Authenticity. Maturity. You’ve earned this.

    I had a field report months age that I didn’t write up because I stopped doing that here. I shouldn’t have though. It’s about the 21 year old I’ve mentioned here a year or so back, that is determined to bang me on the down low. She’s even brought a friend in on the gambit.

    As of now ( and since she was 17 or so ), I don’t have any kind of plans to go anywhere near here sexually. Her friend is baffled as to why I won’t jump at the ‘ chance ‘ to have sex with her. When has a very high opinion of herself, I.assume from orbiters and thirsty motherfuckers groveling at her feet, probably since grade school. Plus she is a ‘ dancer ‘ for one of the NYC sports teams, so ‘ old ‘ men should always be an easy target, especially if they are wealthy.

    She is ssxy, and fairly bright and young, but she doesn’t flip my switches that way and now she ‘ feels some kind of way ‘ about that. 😂😁😂

    I’m not that dude. She’s never encountered anyone that didn’t been over backwards.

    She hasn’t encountered a mature man not enthralled with her ass/age combo.

    ….I don’t have the heart to tell her I’ve fucked a dozen chicks that were carbon copies of her already.

    She leaves my table barren.lol.

  65. J

    My daughters have seen a ‘ different ‘ kind of generational masculinity up close and personal from birth.

    Sure, they find the latest flavor of pretty boy in the media ‘ hot ‘, but they don’t look for that irl. It’s eye candy. It changes every month or every year, depending on what media is driving now.

    I.schooled them about ‘ media ‘ from very young.

    Re: Carey Grant, you miss my point. Idc if he was hanging out with and fucking kangaroos, the point is that he portrayed a non feminine ideal of masculinity, which is absent with young heartthrob today ( today = last 30+ years, give or take. )

  66. @blax

    “She is ssxy, and fairly bright and young, but she doesn’t flip my switches that way and now she ‘ feels some kind of way ‘ about that. 😂😁😂

    I’m not that dude. She’s never encountered anyone that didn’t been over backwards.

    She hasn’t encountered a mature man not enthralled with her ass/age combo”.

    Since you said “dancer”, rather than “cheerleader”, I’m going to assume the NYC sports team your referring to is the Knicks. And looking at their current roster…..all of them have def been ‘passed around’ once or twice lol. But the reason she’s determined to bang YOU isn’t because “muh maturity”. If she’s as sexy as you say she is, then she’s used to getting everything she wants in life:

    “when I’m hanging out with a woman, that’s all I’m doing is hanging out—talking, listening. I’m not sitting there thinking about how to get in bed with her and this completely confuses them, because they’re saying, “Wait a minute. I’m so much better looking than this guy. Isn’t he attracted to me?” The basic principle: We pursue that which retreats from us.” – The Tao of Steve

  67. FR

    hb6 pawg 24 yo online (i do this every few months to stay current and try stuff on throwaways)

    got the address for meet 1. this happens often. these girls are fucking crazy (again, whenever they say, “I don’t do that”… lol. they do when it’s right)

    she didn’t know my name. nothing. just one pic and a cock pic

    asd? none. liked talking about fukcing. good to go after two location changes in under an hour (I was embarrassed to be out with a 6, but that ass was poppin. felt like fucking rising pizza dough)

    summary: did not bang (had very empty balls like usual. if i didn’t i probably would have because that ass (wife would not have liked her at all). early eject. she has at least 2 confirmed and probably more fuckbuddies. and a recent ex who she’s still probably fucking so there was no way i was diving into that. she said an n less than 50… lol. sure.

    pluses: she did not have her phone out at all. could sort of take a joke. no resources spent

    minuses: everything else

    this was an especially good reminder that 24 is too old. this bitch was cute (because of youth) but not worth training. next.

  68. This j and Mersonia

    Please never, ever leave playas. You guys are everything I need for a PUA parody screenplay parody. Judd Apatow, call me bro!

    One moment all “game, yo!/I’m killin it!/y’all are dick sucking autistic fags and TRM hasn’t done shit since scray left! Allow me do a slick breakdown of your latest pickup failure without really offering anything insightful but my delivery has sizzle, and uh did I mention I’m well traveled and go to a lot a cities and fuck exotic bitchez and am not in any way chubby or insecure or prone to teen angst.”

    then……

    Uh, guys….how do I get a point of origin and my back zits ache and fuck boy bands, any tips fellas?

    What frauds.

  69. J

    Not the Knicks.

    The main chick has been a ‘ cheerleader ‘ for a NYC team for 2 years now.

    Wrt to women wanting what they can’t have or whatever, the conversation is a gigantic factor = Game. This isn’t a case of ” I’m young/hot 🔥, why doesn’t he want me? “.

    Guys her age don’t know what I know.😁 .

  70. Put it like this: she comes in with expectations based on last experience, and encounters something she’s never heard/seen before, and all that ” I’m so not ” shit flies out the window.

    Dudes don’t have the internals to shut some of that solipsism down long enough for the chick to listen, think, feel and recognize on an.unexpected ( for them ) level.

  71. @blax

    “This isn’t a case of ” I’m young/hot 🔥, why doesn’t he want me?”.

    Nah it’s def part of it. Even if you don’t want to acknowledge it.

    “the conversation is a gigantic factor = Game”.

    “Guys her age don’t know what I know”

    yup. you’re a member of the secret society/you “know the dance” as they say

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