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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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“Red Pill is not a behavior.”

Then throw “red pill is a praxeology” out the window…. and I’d be okay with that.

A praxeology is a condition of an idea.

As a window allows light to pass through we recognize the window is not the source of the light.

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“A woman who submits fully to her man willingly could be considered red pill.”

ExCartoonist,

Hold your horses. We’re still struggling with the definition of red pill so there’s no point in applying it to anybody until we have a better definition otherwise we’re probably running a fool’s errand.

Grammar then logic then rhetoric. In that order, skip no steps.

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“Praxeology or praxiology (/ˌpræksiˈɒlədʒi/; from Ancient Greek πρᾶξις (praxis), meaning ‘deed, action’, and -λογία (-logia), meaning ‘study of’) is the study of human action, based on the notion that humans engage in purposeful behavior, as opposed to reflexive behavior like sneezing and unintentional behavior.”

There is a relationship between ologies and ings, but they are not the same thing. Of course we can get all recursive and shit by studying the behavior of studying, as people do.

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The 1950s(tm) never existed. It’s a Golden Era myth.

I didn’t know that we were playing “Bullshit.” Because it’s a fact that men’s status has been dropping regularly for decades–since the ’50s. This is one of your dumbest comments. (But I’m sure that you can surpass it if you try.)

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“Archie I don’t think there are “red pill” women the way we as men think of red pill. IME all women are red pill on the subconscious level and blue pill on the conscious level. They operate on a system of truth that is based on emotion. Post emotion is rationalized via a lense of further emotion. This allows her To operate on a ruthless “red pill” basis while swearing butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth. This is just how it is without any judgment being passed. It’s a pretty darn good system when you look at its purpose… This… Read more »

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” . . . men’s status has been dropping regularly for decades–since the ’50s.” That’s what I hear 90’s kids saying about the 90’s, and they’re right. Bumbling comedy wife who always seems to get her way from her Blue Pill husband sitcom trope, born 1951. Bumbling comedy Blue Pill husband who never seems to get his way from his strong, resting bitch face wife who is the rock of the family sitcom trope, born 1955. Bumbling comedy beatnik/hippie slacker sitcom trope, born 1959. And Sputnik can stand as a symbol for all the technical advancements of the 50’s which… Read more »

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I didn’t know that we were playing “Bullshit.” Because it’s a fact that men’s status has been dropping regularly for decades–since the ’50s. This is one of your dumbest comments. (But I’m sure that you can surpass it if you try.)

Asd, you need a broader, more concise historical viewpoint.

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The idea that the 1950’s was some kind of golden era is demonstrably false, historically.

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“Leading up to the 1950’s the United States had more conservative and traditional views, although change was on its way in (Johnson, 1997). In 1948, Dr. Alfred Kinsey published Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, and later in 1954 came it’s counterpart, Sexual Behavior in the Human Female. Each of these were compiled of thousands of interviews with American people and presented some shocking statistics for the time period: 68-90% of males and almost 50% of females had premarital sex, 92% of males and 62% of females had at some point masturbated, and 37% of males and 13% of females… Read more »

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And as a social era “the 60’s” didn’t really begin until the arrival of the Beatles and the departure of JFK (and didn’t end until the departure of Nixon in ’74).

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“The idea that the 1950’s was some kind of golden era is demonstrably false, historically.” The point is that kfg was creating a straw man, which you are continuing to attack. The idea that anyone claims that the ’50s were a “golden era” is bogus. “50% of females had premarital sex,” …(with their fiance)…big fucking deal…N count for most women was still one…probably been that way since Adam…N count has been climbing for women since the Pill came online. Shock! You mean women used to have fewer partners????????????? Hoes been around a long time, too. They inflate the N count… Read more »

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…. then the CIA brought LSD to the party and BANG!!!!

lol.

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” 50% of females had premarital sex,”

…(with their fiance)…big fucking deal…N count for most women was still one…”

Hmmm. I wonder do you actually believe this or are you just enjoying pulling stuff out of your rectum?

Once again, there’s more than one Red Pill. You have a Blue Pill ideal about American historical facts.

The CIA shoulda dosed you.

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“The idea that the 1950’s was some kind of golden era is demonstrably false, historically.’

Careful Blax. Many would agree with your caption, but not in the way you might expect.

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Lol, it’s the manosphere so I already know.

Truth is truth doe.

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“The idea that anyone claims that the ’50s were a “golden era” is bogus.” ” it’s a fact that men’s status has been dropping regularly for decades–since the ’50s.” People have been holding up The 50’s(tm) as some sort of inconic, lost Shangri-La for decades. You didn’t just move the goalpost, you moved the whole damn playing field. “…. then the CIA brought LSD to the party and BANG!!!!” The party really got started when Owsley found out what they were doing, got pissed off, and decided to fuck with them. It was only then that they suddenly “discovered” it… Read more »

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@Blax

What a performance, D’Artagnan, what a performance!

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What creates a stable country? Stable families. Especially so in the midst of war, racism and ancillary badness. Table 3 shows the proportion of men ever divorced by age 40 was not statistically different among those born from 1940 to 1944 (25 percent) through 1960 to 1964 (26 percent). A similar pattern exists for women, although the percentage divorced for women born in 1940 to 1944 is lower than for later birth cohorts. https://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p70-125.pdf Blax, you can devolve this into race all you want but blacks too had no better healthy marriage rates than in the 1950s and that done… Read more »

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” . . . blacks too had no better healthy marriage rates than in the 1950s and that done with a relative microdrop of govt. support.”

Well sure. They didn’t start to Great Society them to death with govt. support until ’65.

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** Looks in mirror **

Yup, still black.

** Checks driver’s license **

Yup, still been around since 1961.

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Eh

Even though my example wasn’t put forth to ” devolve ” anything into race, it was used to dispel the myopic view that the 1950’s were some kind of idyllic time in America.

I get it, it’s not something that lots of people think about, or even realize mostly, but it is a strong fact.

Used to it.

Again, nope, not devolving anything. Like I was saying to sentient, I know where I’m commenting.

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@Blax Let’s say that 90% of women had premarital sex with their fiances. But maybe they had sex with someone besides their fiances? Do we have any studies to back that up? Well, some percent of engagements are broken off. If 90% of those couples had sex, then some women at first marriage would have had N=2. Enter data. “a whopping 20 percent of all engagements are called off before the wedding.” https://bestlifeonline.com/engagements-called-off-break-up-stories/ So if 90% of those women had sex, then 18% of women have had N=2 for their first marriage, even in the ’50s. But that doesn’t change… Read more »

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Like I was saying to sentient, I know where I’m commenting.

…and [burp] let’s see what’s playing on Netflix

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Blax Let’s say that 90% of women had premarital sex with their fiances…

Why would we ” say ” that?

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Blax, there’s a gigantic elephant of a question in very middle of the premarital sex room that all the sex studies studiously avoid. (Nyuk, nyuk.) Can you guess what it is?

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Lots of data about sexual attitudes, including increasing numbers of sex partners for women from the ’80s until 2010.

https://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/public-health/changes-americans-attitudes-sex-reviewing-40-years-data/

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Since we’re talking about obesity and looks and what fucking, time for an FR. There’s a club nearby that has karaoke night occasionally. I’ll go then. First time I went I was unfamiliar with the venue and just blew in without any expectations. I immediately noted there being a bunch of scruffy road crew type locals, normie women and at least a dozen hb 7-8’s milling about, chatting to each other. Fuck if I’m there 10 minutes, another 10 hotties show up and one seriously hot 9, she knew it and they were all lined up for singing in pairs.… Read more »

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Eh

Then again, what the fuck do I know about whores and such

What kind of beta bait blasting are you getting? At most they will usually ask you to buy them a drink.

Real escorts will let you know within 15 minutes or so that they want to get paid. Usually say “Do you want to party?”. Time is the money for them…

Sugars… are amateur whores… they will string things out. Basically they don’t shit test though, they think you are charming and fascinating and sexy etc. If it seems too easy… that’s their tell.

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“Sugars… are amateur whores… they will string things out. Basically they don’t shit test though, they think you are charming and fascinating and sexy etc. If it seems too easy… that’s their tell.” That’s it. Sugars. Yes to the beta baiting. What I witness is this: They fawn at you, they open mouth laugh at inanity. Dudes will stand 2-3 or more around a few sitting at the bar, energetically. The sugars are constantly flicking their hair and I mean, “FFS, I get it…you’re a sugar, stop flinging your long hair” type-flicking. They are college aged and sport that type… Read more »

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@ Palma

“Sorry to say I think you freaked them out.”

Oh yeah.

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@ Palma

One last thing…I’ve used that “sing what’s in your heart, what you sing to the steering wheel” bit before and just recently too and walked hand in hand with attractive women through the bar, they’d put their head on my shoulder even. That was last month. Just saying, it has worked. I don’t come across as if I demand that they go with me, I patted my arm a little. I’m not interested in controlling them and try to seem chill and softly intent with the laze.

It has been fun.

Thank you for your comment.

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“I picked up on it in a NY second as they were flattering fat, scruffy, traveling businessmen ASD types. Frankly most of ASD’s FR’s sound EXACTLY like sugars. They’ll touch the arm, bump up against your bottom at the bar then when you turn their eyes are locked on yours, for no reason at all”

LMFAO!!!

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Lol @ EI…you had me going for a couple of minutes…well done!

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Yeah, of course, hookers can’t afford to spend all night in a salsa bar dancing. They come on pretty quickly, trying to get a client. And they do it when you yourself haven’t done anything to demonstrate social proof or value, except maybe show some cash, lol.

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Palma “They string things out because they’re not really interested in anything physical but they’re enjoying the cash & prizes? They don’t shit test because there’s no genuine interest – right? But they think you’re charming and fascinating – I get But sexy ? Even though there’s no interest .. this bit I’m struggling with” They string things out like a rookie salesperson would. They avoid the no. They arent skilled at asking for the money. So they try and lure you in like a regular lay then spring the money awkwardly down the road. I’m sure there are a… Read more »

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“They act like Hooter’s waitresses on crack. “Where you been?!!” “It’s been so boring without you here!”

then when you turn their eyes are locked on yours, for no reason at all. ”

Well this is standard stripper behavior, in a strip club.

Maybe they are cops. Lol.

Whether sugars or part time hos (come across a few of these)… Engage them next time. Ask if they are looking to party and what they want…

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I’ll usually ask a bartender about them. If he knows them, if they come around a lot etc.

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Ahh the other tell is they like to work in pairs. Tall short, younger older, light dark etc. Had a funny FR a few years ago where I recognized early on their game and played dumb and forced them to get explicit. Girl 1: “We like to shower together” Me: “that’s nice. Saves water. You must be good friends.” I used them for social proof in the place I was staying for a week. By the end of the night they were in my booth, one on each side, motorboating them back amd forth, making out and then having them… Read more »

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https://www.reddit.com/r/SeductionUnion/comments/apsypa/saul_tees_the_technical_game_bible/

“It’s the best book I’ve read on the topic (in that it captures what it’s actually like to be good with chicks and pull them in night game, including all of the practicalities). It’s better and more realistic/detailed/practical than RSD, Mystery, Todd.

It’s even better than YaReally’s book and the old school Tyler’s digest” – @WIA

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Another quick same day lay for tony hustle. If these aren’t actresses, he’s gotta be the most successful PUA around.

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” When we get married “????

Different strokes….

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J Did you notice the distinction WIA made between pua and Game? The internet makes them the same. They are not. I.agree that now guys that are trying to teach pua are more interested in making some cheddar than actually helping guys, but savy dudes can still pull lots of insight, even from the staged street/club videos ( I do not buy 75% of those things ). RSD appears to have poisoned the well, so guys should drink carefully. Archie’s point about Tyler and Todd should be well taken. If either/both of those guys ( especially Tyler) can get any… Read more »

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@blax “Did you notice the distinction WIA made between pua and Game?” Where does he make the distinction? A PUA is simply someone who uses Game (there is no PUA game Vs game) to get what they want. on Page 2 of the main OP, wrt game, you wrote: “Women? Build it/you, and they will come. They can’t help it”. which Archie disagrees with (I went through his archive on reddit yesterday): https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/atf54x/game/eh0uvi0/ Here’s his definition of Game: https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/aua67g/is_game_being_able_to_talk_the_talk/eh6t16m/ “RSD appears to have poisoned the well, so guys should drink carefully” lol I actually agree “If either/both of those guys… Read more »

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Maybe they are cops. Lol. I might have seen this at a country bar where I go a lot. One time a 40ish well-madeup woman was chatting with me and mentioned that she was an out of towner who moved but doesn’t like her new state because it isn’t pot-friendly like her previous state. I probably gave her a wtf look because she replied, “Are you a republican?” I said, “Worse. DEA.” She laughed. The broad said that she was with a guy who was her “boss” and “husband”. (Pimp.) There was also a hefty woman along. They started throwing… Read more »

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@J Looks matters. True and not true. Many girls won’t be seen with someone prettier than they are. Insecurity. And guys with better looks are expected to have better game. So ugly guys get an Ugly Pass on charm with 5s and 6s, which are the bulk of women. So good looks can hurt you. Ugly men, take heart. If you fuck a lot of 6s in a club, you’ll get Preselection from them and the 7s will notice you. With some girls, no matter your good looks or theirs, there will be no chemistry. Looks don’t matter for them.… Read more »

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Gaming Baby Field Report

Spiking emotions
1) I was throwing baby in the air and she was giggling like crazy. I tried to give her to Mrs. Gamer and baby started crying. Little dopamine addict.

Push/pull
2) Mrs. Gamer was feeding baby and I pretended to eat some of baby’s food. Baby started crying and didn’t want me near her food. I exited for a few minutes, then came back and gave Mrs. Gamer a kiss. Baby wanted a hug, too. lol, girls are competitive

AWALT

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J This seems impossible to convey.😟 When I way ” build it and they will come “, I am not referring to building the best ” version ” of yourself. I’m not talking specifically about building some kind of ” amazing ” life. I’m talking about building yourself, for yourself first – so that you will know yourself…..this is hard to get across typing on a forum. I’m not talking about a ” trick ” or a motivational thing, or looking around at anyone else to figure out what’s right for you in your life. But in Game there are… Read more »

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Archie is giving half an example. The psychology point is crucial, not so much the ” impress/rollercoaster ” the girl. But, he’s talking to pua guys with a single minded goal.

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Palma

I met them at the bar, they had their own tab open. When I moved them to a booth a bought a round.

Trying to find that FR. It was funny.

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Hi all, in need of some advice. As some of you may recall, I fucked up at the beginning of my trip: I’ve been unattractive in response to denials; I’ve withdrawn time, attention and some affection – not presence – for some time. This was before coming here. I’ve done some readings in the meantime on MRP; readings and you commentary that clarified immensely. I might have gone to the affection level too quickly, and without really conditioning those actions to Mrs. Rc availability. In one sense, I recognize I need to go back to withdrawing time only, but this… Read more »

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“She DIDN’T know; he just broke up”. Damn phone keyboard.

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You got this. Good response. Dread means she will be uncomfortable. That’s ok.

Women are uncomfortable around guys they really want to fuck.

Give comfort sparingly , intermittently as a reward for good behavior. Punish bad behavior consistently.

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@Rc “Now, here’s the question: to me that phone call generated quite some dread. Not the way I’ve been planning, and not as soon, but there it is now. Combined with what I said above, I’m in unfamiliar territory. Should I give more comfort, or more attention, but unconditionally? or still in response to more availability?” Sentient gave a perfect short answer. It’s accurate. But you are not giving enough details about her recent behavior. The phone call generated dread for sure. What you need to do is play with that and generate mild dread on your own. Dread in… Read more »

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Should I give more comfort, or more attention, but unconditionally?

Is she giving you comfort tests or shit tests? Comfort tests are tests to find out how invested you are in the relationship.

Generally, when dread initiates comfort tests, you give comfort and continue to provide some dread.

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Sentient, Palma, SJF, thank you all. Insightful as usual. Details on recent behavior: wanted to avoid TLDR; some tests here and there, but good mood overall. She keeps asking “so when do we see each other?” and inquire about vacations. Women’s day (yesterday) was another flurry of shit tests. Morning: her: “today it’s women’s day” I gave her an explicitly fake kiss on the cheek with no lips, if that makes sense, and smirked. She goes to the office and they let her find a vase with mimosas; she sends me a picture, and I reply “that’s nice of them!”… Read more »

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@asd,
A good mix. I’ve been struggling with that distinction. I’ll read about how to provide comfort without pinging beta, but if you have suggestions I’ll gladly take them. Thanks

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RC “I’ll read about how to provide comfort without pinging beta, but if you have suggestions I’ll gladly take them. Thanks” Dudebro – do NOT do this. You are nowhere near an actual comfort test. You are just starting to get some alpha going and she is trying to get you back in your subservient role. Do not think you are getting a comfort test until she is sobbing and shaking. Until then it’s all shit test and YES she WILL be uncomfortable!!! That’s part of the process. Is she comfort testing Brad Pitt? No. She is worried about how… Read more »

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Hi Rc.

Nice.

Look it’s less about process. I know, I know you want direction. You want advice, you want a path to follow.

It’s a wicked game thinking you’re being dragged inithe current of events. You respond to the world, wife, whatever.

Bullshit.

You’re too cool ATM to be sucked along.

It’s the weekend. Now go do that voodoo that you do so well.

You got this.

Her: “today it’s women’s day”

You: Yes. Day.

Then immediately torch up a cigar and drink beer.

She wants your best too bad to let you fail.

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The comfort test is from fear of replacement, after – this is important – she has competed… She isn’t competing for you yet hoss…

When she is putting back on some sexy lingerie, doing the things you like, cooking what you like, dressing up etc.

Then she is back competing for you.

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“When she is putting back on some sexy lingerie, doing the things you like, cooking what you like, dressing up etc.

Then she is back competing for you.“

Ha. That’s clear now.

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@Rc So what you are saying is that your mommy wife won’t you read manosphere content? What kind of frame is that? I’m not suggesting to flaunt it, just to not care. You can keep it out of site and still consume it. It’s not her decision. She’s not your mom and you are not her child. Keep in mind this tango you are going through is a process (EhIntellect is right about what he said, but he’s well down the “process line”, you are still OK in “process” and instruction and examples. So I’m going to do something I… Read more »

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Rc,

Sentient asked me this question early on:

Why are you here?

No joke, no answer needed. This is contemplation time.

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Sjf, thank you. I’ve been reading BPP posts on mrp – the latest right about STFU and dread – and they’re great. It’s not that I’m behaving as if she’s my mom. She might have found pages open from chateau for example. But I’m not sure I’d be able to handle how to save a low sex marriage in her thoughts. I don’t know maybe that’s exactly what she needs: seeing that a low sex marriage is a problem for me . But explicit communication obviously doesn’t work – and hasn’t so far. So, thanks. Hopefully BPP won’t be too… Read more »

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“Hopefully BPP won’t be too upset, if he reads here.” He won’t be. Last fall I befriended him in real life (He went public, lived near me and I reached out and drew him into my Red Pill tribe). He likes me and we’ve added a lot to each others discussion and strategy about Red Pill. He’s the first one to tell you: As a man, it is OK to cheat to reach your objectives, metaphorically, your moral compass is yours and yours alone. (I purchased his ebook February 5, 2016. I see he has a feature on Amazon: Loan… Read more »

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Yesterday night another massive set of tests. I might have blew up some. We were in bed and she started saying “you’ve changed, you are different, is something wrong …” not bitchy but worried. I shrugged it off saying with normality that I’m not, hugged her and kept sleeping. She kept coming at it, and I told her that I was the one hugging, and she was the one going away (she was doing that). She started sobbing, and then I brought her her on my chest and told her stop now. She had a bad day with the kids… Read more »

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@palma, no I’ve not done that yet. She does laugh a lot when I give her the wedgie but I stop there. That was a good tip!

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@RC If you enjoy lots of drama, ignore my advice. My advice is standard push/pull and it will bring your woman back in line. Just amp up the dread as needed. If your woman is denying sex, amp up the dread and ignore the fake comfort tests which are actually drama tests. You can minimize drama tests by creating your own little dramas to minimize her drama tests (while still staying cool and calm and collected). When not dealing with drama tests, stay out of the house (even go to the library or read in Taco Bell or whatever–something social… Read more »

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@Rc Keep in mind she was frustrated with the kids–it wasn’t all you. And the rest was pouring gasoline on the fire of her feeling bad. Even though it was a Saturday night, she wasn’t down to fuck you because she was so frustrated. And she knew you wanted it. Females naturally condition you to be a good beta by hiding the vagina. She knows she can get her way, by leading you around. So, what to do? Test the theory that her emotions will blow over. You might have blew up some, but don’t kick yourself for that. It… Read more »

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RC Dudebro You are falling into purple pill chump mode due to fear and scarcity. Full Stop. ““you’ve changed, you are different, is something wrong ” Standard. Translation – you are not behaving like the beta I’ve trained you to be and if it doesnt stop I’m going to have to get off my ass and do something… And don’t want to do that… Did you even read this? https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/asshole-game-week-the-relationship-reset/ ” I shrugged it off saying with normality that I’m not, ” Dogs can’t argue with cats… Better to just shrug. You DO NOT need to answer all her queries…… Read more »

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RC “She had a bad day with the kids yesterday as well plus the friend thing ” Don’t make excuses for her. That’s just your fear and scarcity mindset talking. If you had ten other girls texting you they wanted to be fucked then and there would you make these excuses? No. You are just manstering away your putting the hammer down. Remember she WILL be uncomfortable through this process but that cats not being dogs she will get wet from it… Grasp this mindshift… “This morning still cold. Not really sure I went too far too early” You didn’t.… Read more »

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Palma On your threesome thing. Devil’s threesome not my bag baby… But… You played sneaky fucker game… No attempt to engage the guy… No attempt to BF destroy or engage the girl about the guy in the open… “How long you two know each other?” Etc. Unless You take charge of the dynamics, she gets to be belle of the ball and run her jealousy script. That does not discount that she may enjoy your attention at the same time. On the gay stuff… Have some good responses… “Me gay? Look… Just because you’ve sucked cock that doesn’t make you… Read more »

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@Rc Here is some background framework about what Sentient is talking about in dog logic vs. cat emotion. It is a chapter from author Franco, Manual of seduction. Quote: Woman’s Emotional States Let’s now learn a new concept: the concept of mental state. Contrary to what we might like to believe, our mental states are not constant: they change all the time. We can be happy in the morning, sad in the afternoon, angry in the evening, a minute before in love and a minute later we may hate the one we loved. Men tend to use logic to repress… Read more »

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Palms

“but I just rolled with it without thinking.”

Yeah I hear you. At a certain point your just in the moment having some fun. And that’s all good when you have you bases covered…

“I never hit for a phone number these days, I either close it or burn it.”

Yup. Worst case she forces the number on you at the end. So not worth asking upfront.

Had an interesting FR recently involving a number. May post later just as a warning.

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Somebody call 911 because Sentient is on fire 🔥🔥🔥

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Thanks everybody. That’s the kind of scolding I need to read.

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Left the house for a short business trip. When I was leaving she hugs tight, then she says “remember, if something bad happens between us you’re the one losing” – that wasn’t a defiant tone, it was more like submissive. I don’t say anything, smirk, and touch her nipple – but with my phone. She smiled surprised. After that, she said “bring me a toy”. I’ve got to think about this. I’ve read here that skittles are reserved for anniversaries but maybe I’ll try.

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“…she says “remember, if something bad happens between us you’re the one losing” – that wasn’t a defiant tone, it was more like submissive.” That was a covert “I own you” tone. Don’t kid yourself. It most certainly was a defiant tone, just covert. Women have a skill in covertness. “After that, she said “bring me a toy””. That was covert ‘put you to work’, ‘because I own you’ talk. Don’t bring her a toy. Bringing her a toy is a shit test. (But that being said, if it is no big deal and you find something cool, and you… Read more »

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Sjf, I’ve got this feeling that I needed to come around here earlier. I wonder why. I’ve come to realize the shit test nature of the vacation thing only recently. Yes we can afford that say once per year, she brags it but mostly with her sisters. Don’t get me wrong, I like vacations too. Especially the impromptu ones, like jump in the car and go. But yes, in the past we mostly chose together the place formally – substantially it was a painful process, and never spontaneous as I’d like. And got little or nothing while out. The last… Read more »

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@RC

Give your woman an inexpensive sweet toy. Give it to her like it’s an expensive diamond, wrapped up and everything. “Because you’re so special” on the card. Be prepared for a massive shit test and handle it with humor. “What have you done with my wife? She could take a joke.”

Maybe she’ll do a beta bait waterworks display. Handle it the same way.

“Her wanting a vacation is a big shit test. ” Yep. “So you think that you’ve made the traveling squad, do you?”

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“– substantially it was a painful process, and never spontaneous as I’d like. And got little or nothing while out.”

You can always get a nose ring, have her tie a chain to it and lead you around on the next vacation. That’s what she apparently has in mind.

Or regain your balls and be like a boss.

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Rc,

“I’ve got this feeling that I needed to come around here earlier. I wonder why.”

You’re hanging on to the past. Let go. The past literally doesn’t exist. Your wife is hanging on to the past too, hence all the shit testing.

You’ve been delivered a gift with her shit testing. She tells you to get her crap while on your trip is a softball test to smash.

Good luck.

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Don’t buy her a toy – nothing, even buying a stupid one is falling into her frame

A&A is always a dominance move. Not falling into her frame because you are taking over her frame.

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Nah, never buy anything at all in the midst of tension, or as any kind of training tactic. It is in her frame.

Not even a stick of fucking gum.

No man is responsible for any woman’s happiness. Or anyone else . That’s not a part of the burden. Happy wife, happy life? Gtfoh.

Women misidentify the reasons for their unhappiness all the time, making them unreliable witnesses. They will accept a gift or something, but the underlying issue will remain, even if temporarily dormant.

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“When I was leaving she hugs tight, then she says “remember, if something bad happens between us you’re the one losing” – that wasn’t a defiant tone, it was more like submissive.” Rc, Women manipulate their men through mixed emotional signals. It affords them wiggle room as she negotiates her way through life. She can and will break whichever way benefits her IRT based on your reaction. Hence we recommend watching what she does, not what she says or how she says it or your opinion of her emotional state. I repeat: Do not trust your opinion of her intent.… Read more »

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Asd You talk about training wimen/wife, but your advice is highly suspect.😁 I ” trained ” my wife shortly after marriage, to understand that I’m never responsible for her feeling unhappy. Solipsism can breed internal unhappiness. I will not perform because she’s unhappy or upset. Gf before becoming wife : I’m upset with you because I feel blah blah blah. Me: I got hard dick and bubble gum, and I’m fresh outta bubble gum. Training wifey included ” training ” her how to be happier, and to let go of being unhappy. It works mostly, but awalt won’t go away… Read more »

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The next step in progress will be instead of issuing a veiled threat when you are going away she will ensure your balls are drained. And the next step after that is when she will mean it.

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“I’ve come to realize the shit test nature of the vacation thing….”

If only I had a nickle for every couple who went on a big vacation and within the month divorce papers are served…..

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@RC None of these other guys have as much experience with a single marriage as I do. Their advice is suspect. Blax especially doesn’t do analysis well, although he’s very creative at gift-wrapping his bullshit with a nice big red bow and satin ribbon. Palma hasn’t had much success in relationships and he’s a larper about relationships. Let me break your situation down for you. You are having marital problems because you failed to establish your dominance. Now your wife is testing your dominance with the provider bait test (“get me a gift”). There are several possible actions and outcomes:… Read more »

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ASD is going through some kind of identity crisis. No idea wtf he is going on about. I’m married nearly 30 years for example.

Pay him limited mind…

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I’m married nearly 30 years

The key word there is nearly. I’m waaay past that and my wife is still in love with me. And I go out socializing on the weekends. Not much drama in the Gamer household any more.

Sentient gets stuck on something and won’t let go, like an ideologue. Not all that creative.

Notice that none of these guys offer an actual problem with my Field Tested ™ ideas. Just a lot of pulpit pounding.

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Palma You sexy beast… Good luck tonight. I wrote up that number FR and it never posted… Fuck it. New situation. Was at a upscale wine bar. There were two girls on the end then around the bend of the bar a girl and then I guy who was next to me. Did my standard force open posture. Took like 10 minutes but then one of the girls on the end called me into the convo. I stayed put and addressed them from my spot. Just basic stuff. Eventually the two on the end split and I got deeper with… Read more »

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ASD

Well what about Bob?

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On relationship experience i’d argue that a guy who’s had six five year relationships has more experience than a guy with 1 30 or 40 year. Assuming they all ended on his terms…

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Lol.

Not much drama in the gamer household eh?

Since when?

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Pro tip: you aren’t dominant because you say or think you are.😂

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Your analysis is flawed because it still revolves around her perception of what you said.

A&A falls into the Cocky Funny realm. Anyone who’s gamed knows that cocky funny has limits and over reliance leads to overgaming and dancing monkey.

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So how do we sort out the lies from the truth in the “field reports”? Inevitably there will be liars and some people are very good at lying with zero compunction to do anything but lie. Of what real value will the “field reports” be other than some strange form of entertainment?

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“I’ve come to realize the shit test nature of the vacation thing….” If only I had a nickle for every couple who went on a big vacation and within the month divorce papers are served….. Conversely, if every thing goes well with a red pill reconstruction, a vacation can mirror the red pill health of a LTR relationship. The satisfaction and fun and sex you have can tell you how you are doing in a masculine/feminine polar relationship. You shouldn’t go on vacation until you are in control of the vacation parameters and she is willing to follow your lead.… Read more »

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“So how do we sort out the lies from the truth in the “field reports”? Inevitably there will be liars and some people are very good at lying with zero compunction to do anything but lie. Of what real value will the “field reports” be other than some strange form of entertainment?” It’s all an effort to give tips and tricks or to conversely for people to ask questions and give advice. Rc, or others, can test whether he resonates with the advice and try it out and change the way he blue pill operates by using his/their instincts. My… Read more »

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A&A falls into the Cocky Funny realm.

Er, no. It’s a dominance play. Amused Mastery ™. And smashing shit tests is always such over-gaming, lol.

Pro Tip (for Blax): Just because you’re slightly amusing doesn’t mean that you aren’t perfuming bullshit, Junior.

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