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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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Moreover, at birth I was issued a legal name.

My meatsack is administered for the benefit of the matrix.

Thus, TPTB can do wtf they please. They can have it for all I care.

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“Thus, TPTB can do wtf they please. They can have it for all I care.”

As a general rule I have been with you, but have found it to be a different psychological matter when they come for the meatsacks of my children or parents (and they have come for both of those, as well as for myself).

I also note that I’m just a few years away from TPTB once again claiming some in loco parentis status over my meatsack and would greatly prefer that they just fuck the hell off.

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Pretty new to the Red Pill here, about 4 months in, and definitely appreciate the eye opening and the input here and from other sources. Read the Rational Male, currently on the 2nd book, read Bang, The Game, Enjoy the Decline, Day Bang, and The Tactical Guide to Women, and planning to continue down the rabbit hole to learn more and be better. Any advice on trying to get through the blue pill aspect of having a woman want you to commit? I have ecently started dating a woman, slept with her on the 2nd date and 4th date, and… Read more »

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MrBrian “The blue pill part of me wants to feel guilty but the red pill part of me now feels nothing is wrong ” That’s the ticket. Keep up that outlook. Follow The Platinum Rule [Do whatever YOU want to do, whenever YOU want to do it] without guilt… As to The girl, your non answer was fine. Just don’t acknowledge her comment and keep spinning. Realize that at the edges a plate will spin off… So keep spinning new ones. The general advice to avoiding feelz – from either party – is not to do date stuff, just fuckbuddy.… Read more »

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ASD

How is it that your grandkid shows up with a cracked head and you mention zero about raising holy hell with the “caretakers”?

Very strange.

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@ kfg

Yeah…there’s a temptation to covertly feel I own me. Creates a lot of insecurity and fear I’m being taken against my “rights”. Wish you well.

@ Sentient

Oh yeah….what wasn’t said….the disinterest of events leading to the closed head injury….

I wish ASD well and the baby too though he measures success in life with the wrong metrics often which casts much of his opinion into question.

If ASD telegraphed an ounce of his FR describeed animosity to social services, cops, I’m not surprised they raised an eyebrow.

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“…there’s a temptation to covertly feel I own me.”

I deny self-ownership. Indeed I find the concept rather bizarre and one of the places that Libertarians get things all wrong without even meaning to.

I am not self-owned. I Am.

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“I am not self-owned. I Am.” Nice. The above is the source of freedom, faith, hope and charity. One must accept their sentience as described above before being free. All else….stuff, sex, money, status flows downstream from that. It’s that important to live such. All our limitations and failures solo and in aggregate stem from 1. denial of our ability to change and 2. inability to forgive our and each other’s shortcomings. The upside opposite, namely, acceptance of our freewill as true and forgiveness of ourselves and others, must coexist simultaneously to advance in life. Lose ability to change =… Read more »

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@kfg

I deny self-ownership. Indeed I find the concept rather bizarre and one of the places that Libertarians get things all wrong without even meaning to.

I am not self-owned. I Am.

+1…

bc IF you have a pink slip/title, then who actually owns you is just based on some arbitrary concept… and subject to an eminent domain proceeding/confiscation…

good luck!

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Agree.

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“who actually owns you is just based on some arbitrary concept…” Hence a marriage certificate-title-pink slip contract is man’s indentured servantude to the state. People, men and women alike, cannot be owned. Individuals can, like a widget, and in a worst-case scenario become grapes to be crushed for state wine. Hence legal names are wards of the state and can be squished at will Individuals in a marriage are irrelevancies. What is sanctified in the marriage is the marriage itself, the concept that the union of man and woman can creatively perpetuate those within said marriage. Marriage is not a… Read more »

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Another thought path.

Nick Cannon, net worth 50 million, ex husband of Mariah Carey ( mother of his twins ), banged practically every hollywood hottie at some point.

Giving some perspective.

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMUkYKTZX0E&w=854&h=480%5D

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26gMky40ZFA&w=854&h=480%5D

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@Blax: he is clearly echoing something quite similar to what you mentioned about doing with your wives (at least one of which you paid for her degree, if I recall). Similar cultural background?

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IAS Hey man. I posted up the Nick video because he’s putting forth a pov that’s not often heard or understood currently. I agree with him wholeheartedly, and it’s refreshing to hear a guy 20 years my junior that has that understanding about life, women, roles and the like. If you listen to T.K. Kirkland at the 32 second mark, he says he tried to ” do it ” and it was the worst mistake of his life, lmao. T.K. is my age, and from my state, we are alike in some ways, but vastly different in other ways. T.K.… Read more »

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Oh forgot the ” culture ” part. Lol.

The culture is varied widely atm. The ” sub-culture ” gets the lions share of attention unfortunately. Nick and I are from the ” regular ” side of things, lol. T.K. Kirkland is still kinda straddling the fence. More ” Nicks ” need to be seen and heard, and a little less of the T.K.’s, and a moratorium on the Rappers and Gang Bangers and Thugs and plain old assholes.

Media is an absolute bitch to overcome.

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I’ve been trying to unplug for a year now, at least I want to think I have made some progress towards it. Been reading Rollo essays for a year, as well as watched countless RSD videos. Went through the whole Yareally archive from year 2011 to 2016… so did lots of digging. In terms of what impact it had on me, I would say number one is that Yareally always stressed going out and do mass approach – field is king. Although I did get girls numbers, lots of them were flakes or simply went nowhere. Staying all night had… Read more »

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Kaiser Palma, I 100% believed that the ” earn later in your 30’s ” was awful advice. Still do. Always will. For most young men, making money beyond basic earnings, paycheck to paycheck, is not easy and it takes effort, discipline and a measure of focus. Never takes financial advice from a broke dude. As.far as ” bashing ” Yareally, 😂 kaiser you say you read the archives right? Happen to read any of the back and forth between ya and I? I know, he was all sunshine and rainbows to dudes solely concerned with pickup, but at times he… Read more »

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Kaiser “But then I read some of comments here, mainly Blax and Sentient, who are bashing not only Yareally but Owen as well. Why is that?” I’ve never bashed either of theirs game advice. Yareallys “opinions” on marriage or having kids were incorrect or misguided. Chiefly due to his KJing on this subject. Something he railed against btw – KJing. His “life” advice was misguided as well… The whole be poor in your 20s. Again he was KJing because he had no experience. His narrow view was every second you don’t spend gaming is a second lost. And he was… Read more »

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“Please advise”

There’s a lot you’re looking to control externally. That’s high energy output.

Q: Where the best place to cannonball a pool?

A: Anywhere.

If you’re attempting to game the world, sharpshooter success, before you get a handle on yourself, I.e. where you shine and not so much, you are by definition out of your MPoO and at a disadvantage.

Questions for you: What are your personal interests? Do you exercise? Are you interested in engaging people in general conversation regardless of potential of sex?

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@Kaizer “as well as watched countless RSD videos” stop. “Although I did get girls numbers, lots of them were flakes or simply went nowhere”. stop lol. you want to push interactions to as far as they can go. The best outcome is obviously that you close. the worst outcome (meaning she has to go somewhere (work, see her family), is that you come away with a very solid interaction (not talk for 5 minutes then leave like other PUAs. because that’s not enough time to build a strong connection, and have her invested in really wanting to see you again.… Read more »

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Kaiser Palma, I 100% believed that the ” earn later in your 30’s ” was awful advice. Still do. Always will. For most young men, making money beyond basic earnings, paycheck to paycheck, is not easy and it takes effort, discipline and a measure of focus. Never takes financial advice from a broke dude. As.far as ” bashing ” Yareally, 😂 kaiser you say you read the archives right? Happen to read any of the back and forth between ya and I? I know, he was all sunshine and rainbows to dudes solely concerned with pickup, but at times he… Read more »

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“but if you gotta pick one….. The field will never pay your bills and earn compounding interest”.

and your financial statement’s not gonna get on her knees and suck your dick.

just saying.

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Chicks can blow you while you earn. Not ” either or “.

6 figures or a blowjob…. I’ll take 6 figures and many blowjobs for 500 Alex.

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Now back to the jacuzzi with a beer….enjoy your life bros!

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nah too much work.

I think I’ll just take the blow jobs

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“I 100% believed that the ” earn later in your 30’s ” was awful advice. Still do. Always will.”

Dilly, dillly. Everyone knows the first $10K invested is more valuable than the last $10K.

Invest in yourself early and often.

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“I’m actually with Blax on this one, in that you really really have to go for it in your youth and should be well in your way by 30 or there just isn’t enough time to make the sort of wealth you need long term.” So the “thing” is Kaiser Sose, you are asking an important question for yourself. The answer (that someone upstream answered very well) is that you are a masculine male and you pursue your purpose and mission in your Frame. You get women to acquiesce into your frame. It is about you. It is not about… Read more »

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J Palma is psot on. should be well in your way by 30 or there just isn’t enough time A broke guy in his 30’s in the business world is analogous to a virgin in his mid 20’s in the SMP… Can this time/age gap be overcome? Sure. But it is going to take a lot more effort and you will need to overcome a lot of social stigma AND you are going to have to backfill a shit ton of reference experience, which may not even be possible, which may leave you with life long gaps… Ray Croc found… Read more »

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Stopped posting here ages ago, but think last time i was here I was talking about wanting to go and game abroad in Budapest and stay at a hostel and hit on girls half my age. Got back last week and it was amazing!! Pulled 3 teenage girls in 4 nights! (pretended to be much younger than my age lol). The German girl was the best of the bunch. 18 and gorgeous. Also met 2 American soldiers who were the biggest slayers i’ve ever met! Learnt some stuff from them about ‘going for it’ after watching them, I think. They… Read more »

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You are not chasing pussy. You are attracting pussy. I’m surprised this comment did’t crash a few applecarts. Maybe the PUA guys are too tired from chasing pussy to have read it. Wholeheartedly agree with the statement. It doesn’t mean you don’t go out and socialize with people engage with women. It does mean you become confident in yourself and live authentically to who you are. Who you are is the key. If you’re in your 20s or 30s and not in an LTR or married and spending all your time chasing poon you’re missing out on a lot of… Read more »

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Palma

Did you engage the bouncer at all? Social dynamics wise, he AMOGed and led the interaction.

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Palma What would you have done differently? I would have engaged the bouncer, got him to explain what she’d done before, use this as a neg towards her and if I saw the convo wasn’t going to result in him relenting, seized the opportunity to lead her and her friend out and to a new place… Momentum is your friend and worst case you go into a new place 🔥 with a good looking girl to pivot off of. That assumes the place you were at to start didn’t have better opportunities of course… So it’s not about white lighting,… Read more »

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Palma

Heh

This is the incur that posted below yours

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/gL74bQ4

Carry on…

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@palma

“J will be along soon and tell us that she’s a 3.976 and that’s the best all is old bastards can do”

lol no, mate. She’s alright. well done 😀

If only I’d taken a pic of the two girls my wing and I pulled last night, you’d see what real good looking girls looks like lol.

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@Palmasailor

Just from those Imgur clips that girl has quite a mouth on her, seems likely to be good at playing “Let’s you and him fight”.

I couldn’t see the expression on the bouncer’s face very clearly but what I could see was pretty obvious, and her compliance with him suggests previous “quality time” experiences.

I have zero to add to your own and Sentient’s suggestions except this: next time you meet her why not proclaim right up front “Well, here’s trouble!” and go from there.

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@palma wins.

I had her friend take this pic while we were walking toward her place. Kept telling her to say “palma sucks” but she didn’t want her face on camera:

https://imgur.com/a/uHMjCwe

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Hello gentlemen, well it took me a good couple years to catch up to current Field Reports as well as keep up to date with the essays. I’m mid forties, bit of a natural (triple digit n count) but was very steeped in BP for most of my life. Love the different insight I get from you guys. Thanks @Rollo and all of you for your contributions and helping to wake men up everywhere. Wish I had found this a few decades ago. Not much to report right now, just a couple of steady plates on the go. The weather… Read more »

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@Palmasailor

I highly recommend the 21 Convention. Anthony puts together a rock solid convention – One of the things I like is the inclusion of a diversity of men from the manosphere all in one place.

Go shake the Godfather’s hand.

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@Palmasailor

Yeah since taking TRP it has been harder with certain male friendships, trying to broaden my base, and I haven’t gotten through my situation so there’s that.

Did you ever go to that Krauser event in London?

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My situation is unique and complicated, I am forging new ground, slowly making progress, I have learned a lot from the red pill and am still learning [it would have saved me from my first wife.] hopefully my boys can internalize TRP, so I continue to learn with the goal of mentoring.

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Been caught in the web of what I’m starting to believe is a BPD nightmare with a female friend. Feels alone yet pushes you away Loves you – hates you Push – pull Emotional instability Triggered by the simplest comments Insecure to the bone Doesn’t know what she needs/wants Make comments like “I’m going to off myself” Screams at you when frustrated without any remorse or accountability All of this in the course of an eight hour work day. I’m too old to deal with this shit. Luckily this is just a “friend”, her boyfriend deserves “the man of the… Read more »

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What I’ve learned over the past 8 months while being single from an LTR- you can fuck a girl good and it still doesn’t mean she will continue to come back for more. 2 weeks after the ltr ended while out at a country bar, had a 29 year old approach me (I was 45 at the time) who apparently was in an “open marriage” at her husband’s insistence, had her come over that night and knocked it out. She seemed impressed, sent me risque pics, and I took her to a rodeo a few weeks later, rented a hotel… Read more »

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Thar be hoes.😁

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“Just a warning to other guys that think you can fix a woman like this.”

Most professional therapists will not treat a known BPD, because:

They are untreatable, so what’s the point?
They are prone to destroy the life of the therapist.

The rule of thumb for recognizing a BPD; she says:

I hate you, don’t leave me.
I love you, go away.

Switches between the two like she was flipping a switch.

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Wonder how many professional therapists have BPD themselves.
Seems a good profession for that personality type.

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@MrBrian props on getting out in the field!… and putting up a FR… here’s some analysis for you… i can smell a big whiff of da FI/BP through the computer screen so maybe this can help you when you get back out there… What I’ve learned over the past 8 months while being single from an LTR- you can fuck a girl good and it still doesn’t mean she will continue to come back for more. not if you turn into a beta orbiter it won’t… 2 weeks after the ltr ended while out at a country bar, had a… Read more »

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Hey Having a bad day, I appreciate your input. “here’s some analysis for you… i can smell a big whiff of da FI/BP through the computer screen so maybe this can help you when you get back out there… What I’ve learned over the past 8 months while being single from an LTR- you can fuck a girl good and it still doesn’t mean she will continue to come back for more. not if you turn into a beta orbiter it won’t… 2 weeks after the ltr ended while out at a country bar, had a 29 year old approach… Read more »

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@MrBrian you’re doing great!… just keep working on it… just some quick points and question… Sure, I’d want to sleep with her, I’m 46 and if the opportunity to sleep with a cute, 29 year old slim, blue-eyed red head comes up I’d take it but no, I’m not chasing her. you’re not ‘chasing her’ logically… from your dog-thinking perspective… but cats are not dogs… her hindbrain will definitely see this as you ‘chasing her’… who controls that ‘opportunity’?… you or her?… if it is her, you are in her frame… = chasing… If she hits me up and lets… Read more »

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“you’re not ‘chasing her’ logically… from your dog-thinking perspective… but cats are not dogs… her hindbrain will definitely see this as you ‘chasing her’… who controls that ‘opportunity’?… you or her?… if it is her, you are in her frame… = chasing…” I see your point there, I had sort of felt that if I wasn’t reaching out for opportunities with her that I was showing that wasn’t chasing but when you put it that way…it definitely makes it appear I’m in her frame (although I have snubbed her a few times in not meeting her or letting her know… Read more »

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MrBrian

Before you dig into Mystery Method, you might find this overview video helpful.

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Real quick ay when yo chick is DTF. Man you gotta pull her. Don’t be making out with her all night in the club just because she wants to makeout. Lead. Otherwise somebody who knows what they doing, yours truly, is gonna roll up on your girl and take her from you. Cause by the time I approach her, it’s already too late. She mine. So trying to get her attention back like “hey ashley remember me? :)” ain’t gonna do shit. Guys from the bar last night specifically: if you had followed the advice above, you could have had… Read more »

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Palma

A bird in hand leads to a dick in the bush… Or something like that.

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Is it me or do most women lack empathy for men’s experience? Daily they go on and on about the dumbest shit and want you to listen but when it’s their turn to listen, they really don’t care. I recently told a female friend that my sister-in-law tried to kill herself. Rather than give me an ounce of support, she more or less tried to blame me for the suicide attempt. WTF? “Did you ask your sister-in-law what she needs…” What am I now a professional therapist? My sister-in-law lives four hours away and we only see each other on… Read more »

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@Anonymous
You were just an orbiter who didn’t give her Happy Feels.
You’ve been dropped. No great loss.

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Nony

You have a lot of unplugging yet to do. Have you read TRM?

“I’m going to chalk this one up to women’s solipsist nature.”

Hypergamy doesn’t care… ❤

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Yes, I’ve bought and read Rollo’s book and read about everything on this site. It’s just still unbelievable seeing all of this play out.

This woman actually felt some guilt, believe it or not and switched to another guy to dump her shit on. Didn’t make her any more empathic though. Maybe giving me a break from her whining was it. I know she will never ask me how I’m doing because hypergamy doesn’t care.

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Update on the Dick Twitch Girl [https://therationalmale.com/2016/09/25/for-better-or-worse/comment-page-9/#comment-171878] Saw her a few weeks ago for the first time in a while. At a restaurant, she with her extended family and me with my son. Hadn’t seen her before that in like 6 months or more. She was a few tables away and when we saw each other I said hey and she said hey. I thought the time before she said she moved to other side of town, I asked her if she moved back she said she’s here, I say I haven’t seen her around [she was usually at a… Read more »

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/aqge4p/aita_for_distancing_myself_from_my_bf_after_he/ lol on vulnerability…. the funny thing is the comments…are all the same “Holy shit. this is why we dont open up to girls about things that are bothering us. Every time i’ve done it i was met with this same reaction. You’d think it might be different with something as big as this but no. Beginning to wonder if all girls are like this. The second they see some form of emotional weakness in you they feel completely different about you and see you differently. Maybe its an attraction thing with wanting your man to be manly or whatever… Read more »

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@Sentient Update on the Dick Twitch Girl [https://therationalmale.com/2016/09/25/for-better-or-worse/comment-page-9/#comment-171878] Saw her a few weeks ago for the first time in a while. At a restaurant, she with her extended family and me with my son. Hadn’t seen her before that in like 6 months or more. She was a few tables away and when we saw each other I said hey and she said hey. I thought the time before she said she moved to other side of town, I asked her if she moved back she said she’s here, I say I haven’t seen her around [she was usually at… Read more »

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HABD Thanks for the pointers you were ready for it this time, right? hehe… yeah I thought of you… is the friend hot? You dog… It was a dude, friend of a friend needed short term blah blah situ… you have to actively work to avoid that to get into AF status… and when you know what’s coming/happening on the subcomm level, it really is like having on The Glasses ™ like AR says… Yup… looked like a curve that got hung up real slow… There it is…! This is the part where I’m supposed to offer to help etc…… Read more »

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@Sentient OK so now the next step – what to do what to do…??? Gut says, wait till I have good logistics, which will be hard for me in town, pitch a meet, expect some testing over it, may have to drop it a few times until it hooks. Other thoughts? that’s a good strategy… by the numbers… she has kids, sooo needs to be a daytime meet then back to house for tour… and it would be better if the ‘friend’ was not there either…lol that suggests lunch time meetup close to coffee shop/house… where you are ‘having lunch… Read more »

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on a deep dive, just coming up for air

all is well but sure miss the banter

will report in again, don’t know when

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“will report in again, don’t know when”

Hey! dr. zipper. I missed you bro!

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LR of the imgur chick a few comments above Went out friday to do some scouting. Think everyone eventually gets bored going to the same old bars every weekend. Want to switch it up. Dat novelty. So, I have a list of bars that I’ve read online, that intrigued me. And they were all within walking distance. So it be really cool if all the bars end up being good. It’s around 11:30 P.M. time to head out and do some investigating. What I’m paying attention to is: size of the bar, multiple rooms, quiet area, the lighting, music they… Read more »

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Worth a watch

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More in depth in five parts (1-3)

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[4 – 5]

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@Youngmaster Here is that chapter I promised in the False Positives thread. From Manual of Seduction by Franco. Quote: Attraction You will not be able to seduce a woman unless you create attraction in her. Attraction is not a rational fact. To create attraction you just have to: Show a higher VALUE than hers. Have her emotional. Because of her strong instinct for selecting the strongest and most gifted men, a woman doesn’t feel real attraction for a man who fails to show a higher value than hers. A woman may naturally choose a man with a lower value than… Read more »

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Why no comments/discussion on J’s field report ? I thought it was great__funny and overcame obstacles with some skill. I have the greatest respect for Sentinent and SJF but is all of that quoting mystery and Franco your response to J or more for upstream discussion?

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Why no comments/discussion on J’s field report ?

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is all of that quoting mystery

FR section is also a repository for game stuff… take of it what you will…

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DT Girl update So I knew this wasn’t good game going into it, bit I was wrestling with reaching out via phone and not wanting to do it. So I went round the shop, I walk by her she is in her car on an animated call. Mutual waves. I go in the shop and take a seat in the corner. After 5 or so minutes I see her put of the car waljing back and forth in front of the shop. I don’t pay any attention to her outside. She comes in another five minutes later, says hello and… Read more »

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On the Kino. It’s interesting she doesn’t object but isn’t reciprocating. Which I’ve had before. Sometimes they are just more in a submissive state until isolation.

I think her dipping to the counter was a negative obvi… Trying to work in the chase me frame. And that’s what I set up by going there to start with…

It’s OK. Like I said game on now. We will see. I expect a few texts are going to go nowhere before anything else happens.

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“I’ve tried it with women that are genuinely exhausted before and it’s been a waste of time.”

Back when you were married/

badoom bish!

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Sentient – why go ahead with DT girl at all in this situation? She lives there and so do you. So once you saw logistics bad and she’d been up all night etc why even take the shot? Better to withdraw and leave her wanting more of you, no? Also this cat and mouse with DT girl has been going on for a while – at what point does your window of opportunity for escalation shut with her? What is it HABD says? Something along the lines of how in each interaction you have to escalate a little bit more… Read more »

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I’ve come across several contradictions or conflicts while digging into the techniques of game. There were two of them, I know, but right now I can only remember one, and it isn’t a problem for me to deal with but I still want to point it out anyway. Mystery himself says you should be smiling plenty. Don’t overdo it, but don’t be some serious tough guy either. Heartiste has recounted multiple stories of alpha males who smiled and/or complimented exceedingly rarely and mentions it’s something that should be done sparingly. I understand the appeal of each direction, and this isn’t… Read more »

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Oh right, so the second one was “energy levels.” This is something that might be an issue for me, but I guess it would depend on the situation. I’m a naturally reserved, down to earth guy. Most of the alpha body language behaviors come to me naturally, including a lot of the attitudes; however, Mystery says you want to be higher energy than the set. Animated guys usually strike me as tryhards or nervous betas vying for approval, and my style is to usually stand there (which they say you should do, stand still) and I speak in calm, even… Read more »

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“I could much more easily emulate one of those guys than try to pull off a Russel Brand kind of casual, carefree jester”.

Ctrl + F, “4 types of game”

https://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/why-yareally-need-to-learn-game/

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Youngmaster I hope you don’t get detoured journaling all the different types of game, absent actually trying things in the field. You are going to miss a lot. On smiling… His main advice was to smile on the OPEN – and following the 3 second rule to get there. A cold approach OPEN. Remember Mystery was ALSO doing things that offset the smile as well. He didn’t say just be a Labrador puppy… So enter the set with a smile WHILE also body rocking, not giving her full body language, negging, false time constraint, etc. All these things are softened… Read more »

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Culum why go ahead with DT girl at all in this situation? She lives there and so do you. So once you saw logistics bad and she’d been up all night etc why even take the shot? Better to withdraw and leave her wanting more of you, no? Yeah, I was trying to withdraw by getting up and leaving first. I figured she would follow me out though. Also this cat and mouse with DT girl has been going on for a while – at what point does your window of opportunity for escalation shut with her? What is it… Read more »

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@Sentient DT Girl update So I knew this wasn’t good game going into it, bit I was wrestling with reaching out via phone and not wanting to do it. how were you going to ‘reach out’?… you not wanting to do that was probably a good instinct…lol… if it was going to be in a beta orbiter way…lol… i think your only option is to do the lunch invite thing randomly… and that should filter for her logistics situ… otherwise, you’ll just have to ‘run into her’ at the coffee shop and take your chances on the logistics situ… So… Read more »

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@Culum

PS – I haven’t checked the FR section in a while but I could have sworn we were over 120 pages – what happened??

it was… i think @Rollo reset the font type in FR section, but i don’t know for sure…

good luck!

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HABD Thanks for the feedback… did you listen to the call?… was the call REALLY important?… or just a page from her rolodex/flashcard pile?… Was another caretaker coming on, shit about the patient, where his sweater was, his condition, etc. logistics uber alles!!! Yeah this is going to be a problem, now there is that housesitter over there. Maybe in a month when they move out before she moves in… Otherwise… car I guess… Not optimal. Let’s listen to something in the car I guess.. her hindbrain/hamster knew the logistics were f*ked too…lol… could you have (in a socially congruent… Read more »

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@Sentient “‘insisted’ on that house tour?… i think not… and that would have put you ‘chasing’/begging… sooo, overall good outcome… Chasing/begging is interesting – the line between “pushing/leading” and chasing/begging… rules?” what @HABD is saying here is that, if you had tried going for the ‘house tour’ pull again, the odds in this particular situation are that she would most likely have to turn you down again. Due to: fucked up logistics and her not being ‘turned on’ enough for her to want to do a quickie. so in her mind, that’d be TWICE she’s rejected your offer. Giving her… Read more »

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i seem to have lost a comment…which had ONE link to a youtube video… given the recent censorship issues, i thought i should let you know… in case youtube is starting to ban links to TRM… or something…

good luck!

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@Sentient “On this ” i think your only option is to do the lunch invite thing randomly… and that should filter for her logistics situ… “ I know she has a crazy schedule and kids, so I expect the invite to run into logistics problems, at least the first time for sure. Any “what are you doing” filter will probably have some kind of excuse off the bat…” Alright if you really want to bang this particular chick….the move I see here is…. Text her, what she’s up to about 1 to 2 hours before the time you saw her… Read more »

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I came across a comment from Heartiste’s blog by a user there in 2010, and it resonated with me so I wanted to share it (in context of the article being about how running game can wreck your romanticism or your ability to really love; this was on April 1st though, so no one can be sure as to the genuine seriousness of the article): Having fun in the “game” is like betting on roulette. You can bet outside (red or black) and make small profits more often, or you can bet inside (individual numbers) and make large profits less… Read more »

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“…and it resonated with me so I wanted to share it (in context of the article being about how running game can wreck your romanticism or your ability to really love…..”

You forgot to tell us what you think about in your feelings, goals and objectives in your inter-sexual relationship goals.

What is your bias? How do you want to approach game?

Oh, and did you watch that latest talk/interview between Nick Krauser and Rollo?

(I’m not advocating for something here in general. But it might help to have a back and forth with Youngmaster for his sake…)

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That’s not what direct and indirect mean.

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Sentient: I know. You’re gonna need to take it up with the original commenter from 9 years back though. Improper terminology aside you can tell what he’s referring to and it fits nicely with the general vs. specific gambling. SJF: what are your feelings, goals, objectives? Rollo strongly suggests to everyone to spin plates, which I’ve never done. So that’s the goal. I’ve had oneitis before, and I even knew that I had it at the time, which seemed to make the situation even worse because I felt I was forced to deliberately play cat and mouse with that girl.… Read more »

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So, YoungMaster, I’m trying to get into your heart as to what you want as a young masculine male in a time in your life that you make your ascent. “It’s cathartic to see that so many of my instincts and behaviors are grounded in what an alpha male should be doing (like my almost utter inability to ever compliment an attractive girl), but as Krauser himself said: no matter how many options that Camero has on it, if it’s got no engine, it’s not going anywhere.” Yes it is cathartic. But you don’t need so much catharsis You need… Read more »

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Thanks. I haven’t taken the test, no, but I think it was you before you mentioned Krauser and the INTJ personality type. I talked to my brother about game over the past weekend and he actually brought up the personality type; I have no opinion on Myers-Briggs, but according to my brother who DID take the test, he’s an INTJ, and we’re both very similar to each other and to Krauser. And yes, we can be judgmental, and also overly analytical to the point of near autistic. We aren’t fumbling idiots most of the time like actual spergs and autists,… Read more »

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Now here’s a contradiction I just found: CH in 2011 says “if you’re stuck for words, just say something; weak game is better than no game.” Then in another post almost exactly a year later, CH says “if you can’t think of something to say, say nothing at all; she will restart the conversation and begin chasing.” This was explicitly mentioned somewhere else as something NOT to do; girls want to listen to exciting anecdotes, having to lead the conversations themselves are generally even keeled, monotonous, and not super dull but not exciting either. It’s white bread conversation. You could… Read more »

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And yes, we can be judgmental, and also overly analytical to the point of near autistic. We aren’t fumbling idiots most of the time like actual spergs and autists, we can often navigate social waters without much trouble, but those near-obsessive, overly-computery-thinking kind of thoughts still occur all the time, we can simply conceal them well enough. And then there’s the question of whether we want to navigate such social waters, but yadda yadda, don’t want to get too bogged down into introspection. That’s one of the achilles’ heels of the INTJ imo, too stuck in our own heads. Now… Read more »

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@youngmaster “Now here’s a contradiction I just found” that’s not a contradiction, rookie. In the first quote, CH was specifically talking about opening girls. That pretty girl you caught sneaking a glance at you for a brief second. Don’t, “damn she’s so hot I don’t know what to say” or second guess yourself like, “eh, she probably thought I was somebody else. Just an honest mistake.” “eh, she looks busy”. Just go over with one of your canned openers (opener you’ve used before that has gotten you good reactions in the past) and deliver it. Once you’ve become comfortable doing… Read more »

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Concur with J’s breakdown of the two CH posts.

You will ignore this BUT – you really need to just get going with what you know now and TRY IT and THEN look for explanations. It will be MUCH easier to grasp when you are getting real time feedback from interactions.

Actions rule and FIELD IS KING.
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The Text S:Hey I’m going to X in a bit. Come join. DT: [like 10 seconds later] Who is this???? S:[ed. I’ve never given my name as I recall so expected something like this] You don’t remember my name… Not sure how to take this smh S:[coffee cup emoji] DT:[10 minutes later] Sorry I’m moving today and packing for my trip [ed. she’s going away for a few weeks w fam in a few days] S: Alwayds so much work… sound slike your client is better. [ed. with typos. her main client from the hospital situ. I realize after sending… Read more »

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That JP vid… Should point out that’s a Day2 or Tinder date… some interesting bits there, kino, disqualifying, leading. But Day2 or Tinder.

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SJF: And what’s with this about your brother and Game? I talked to him about it over the weekend when we went out to get some things for Mother’s Day. He got married to a girl last October, they’ve been together for a decade now at minimum. They started their relationship when he was 18-19 or something and they basically never looked back. His wife is a rare breed, very down to earth, can appreciate edgy humor, practically never gets offended, has no problem calling things how they are, even though she’s shy. Anyway, I told him about game because… Read more »

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@ Youngmaster “the perspective on civilization and psychology were fascinating to me (about how civilization is unnatural and so is monogamy)” How so? Civilization and monogamy are not natural for animals as they breed under different conditions than humans. Evo-bio isn’t the whole story. It’s a failure of RP to avoid the freewill discussion. I understand guys like ScribblerG and j get defensive about what they are doing IRT to their consequence, as such their self-determined odd definitions of success are constantly hoisted up for celebration. The manosphere, including TRM, is the judgy-est No-Judgement-Zone online: “We’re free thinkers and all… Read more »

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