For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
“Naughty girl…”
Deliberatly misconstrue her comment as she thinks it is also good else she would be all over you…
And if she picks up on the naughty girl bit.. You say “you know what happens to naughty girls…”
Then she will respond with some blah blah
Then you can send something like this
http://ep5.xhcdn.com/000/067/495/470_1000.jpg
Which is funny because it is a cartoon… but still sexual… why does that guy look so sad though? LOL
@IAS
Field Report
A blade of grass gave me a gay handshake after a meetup, I ghosted, 3 months later she texts me wondering where I am, told her to hit me up next week
she likely is doing that with several guys…I have no illusions that she has much invested in me
“Which is funny because it is a cartoon… but still sexual… why does that guy look so sad though? LOL”
Can’t expect much from a Ken doll look-a-like
“Good… now next time anticipate what you say next, and what she says next and what you say to that. Chess…” Hmm I don’t really know what i’m going to say before I respond to shit test. I just spill out the first thing that comes to mind from a “lol silly little girl” frame (the vibe behind what you say is more important than what you say). Then again it could be just unconscious competence…recent experience that comes to mind is I was walking with two girls to a bar near my place. I wasn’t attracted to my girl’s… Read more »
J Yeah you get the “structure”, IAS is just saying one thing… and then has no idea what is coming next… and then is “uhhhh”… It will come with experience and part of getting that experience is anticipating what is coming and what to say etc. The old “routines” stuff are examples… tried and true. Once you get the structure, you are expecting SOME kind of comment, reaction etc. and that you are going to roll with that, always from YOUR frame etc. so “routines” etc. become just basic form, not literal. a lot of guys learning are hyper literal… Read more »
Some weekend items: At an open air music venue, lots of 20 y.o.’s. For fun, I’ve mashed up a combination of Sentient’s “Look at the Moon” opener and SJF’s feeling heart vs. the thinking mind. It worked well, I like the smoothness of it…and it really works if the moon is there. Scene: Two pretty girls, two guys trying to engage them. I couldn’t help myself, stroll into the middle, the dudes back off. Me: You two girls plan your outfits, I can tell. You look hippy chick with a 70’s Carly Simon flair, your sandals and you girl there,… Read more »
“Can’t expect much from a Ken doll look-a-like”
Hey!
Ironiclly, spankings are my preferred positive reinforcement for good behavior.
I told my son when girlfriend text replies “I’m out of town.” and follows with nothing else solid, it is analogous to LJBF. I’ve not read everything.
Opinions?
@EhIntellect June 12, 2017 at 3:06 pm Delightfully humorous field report. Way to go: Be fun and add value to girls with self-amused mastery. @ All I have a completely off topic comment: Jordan Peterson had mentioned his guilty pleasure of watching the Canadian “The Trailer Park” boys. It is strangely riveting. And I just figured out why. The two main characters Julian and Ricky keep 100% frame 24/7 every day. It’s quite remarkable how unshakeable their frame really is. Julian often takes a leadership role and devises schemes, all while holding a rum and Coke on the rocks in… Read more »
@Everyone: this is written with one of those shit eating grins. I was out for some hours and although the first half was kind of boring and did a couple of weak approaches, I became more unstifled, found some foreigners (my specialty, although maybe also a buffer), got some good approaches that hooked well (first on guys, then on adjacent girls). I’m vibing with the girls and mostly the less cute one is quite obviously into me, then someone plucks my t-shirt, I turn around there is a blonde cutie (U.S. cheerleader type, high 7 probably, tall with legs that… Read more »
IAS
Why deprive this tourist of a fantasy foreign lay?
Also- stop scenario building! She may have just chugged all the cock of the football team. At least the starters…
Just… Don’t.
@IAS Good FR man “although the first half was kind of boring and did a couple of weak approaches, I became more unstifled, found some foreigners (my specialty, although maybe also a buffer)” Don’t worry about this being about it being a buffer. The objective of the first half is warmup becoming unstifled and if talking to foreigners helps with that (easy sets) go ahead. (I do the same with black chicks (cause I’m not attracted to them (sorry @Hank lol)) “I go “I dance better to disco” she is like “Oh I can’t go to clubs, we need to… Read more »
@Sentient: not sure how I could pull that off in that situation. There weren’t even proper bathrooms, this was outside and there were portable ones… And people pretty much everywhere. I won’t deny I could have done more though, as I could have. @j: I’m glad that I thought about pivoting to the nearby girls in the situation after they left (or just a bit before), but I had to go home or would have to catch a taxi. Not worth spending cab fare for a random chance at getting poor logistics in the new sets I pivot into. There… Read more »
@Everyone: knowing her first name and her brother family name, which looked uncommon enough, I could find the sister on Facebook (not adding her for now though). Interesting. I knew the bro did sports and she also looked the type, she is an athlete too. Nice legs!
@Sentient: regarding chess. I’m going for your “Naughty girl…” suggestion. My prediction based on previous behavior… She is going to a) not understand (pretend or not) and ask me to explain (most likely by far) b) flip the script and say I’m the naughty one, adding something else to “prove” her innocence or similar… b) would be best of course as she is playing along, but I’m pretty sure I’m getting a variant of a) to try to de-rail. Clearly as I’m not dedicated to the outrageous stuff I can’t just go “You are sooo naughty… You want me to… Read more »
@SJF Sounds like you’ve gone through massive growth in your relationship and family life. That’s really inspiring to me, in this massively challenging period. I’ve taken note of the books and blogs you have recommended, and I have been listening to the Blue Pill Professor’s podcasts. I appreciate what you say about no one could blame me for trying – indeed I want to avoid indirectly giving my daughter a personality disorder by allowing my girlfriend to influence her in the wrong way. I have now started implementing the advice about the Captain/First Officer relationship. I realised that I have… Read more »
IAS
“not sure how I could pull that off in that situation.”
Didn’t meant right then and there, but on a Day 2. Meet up with her solo for an adventure.
IAS – on the follow up with saga girl, if she tries to take the frame again you can hit her with a DQ – Boring… Nerd… Prude… etc… and then drop the thread. Make her work for your attention.
@theasdgamer @HABD Do you think that I am letting myself get manipulated by the FI through my ethics? Epiphany is fucking hot…and I AM fond of her… lol… you get a deal on some armor polish?… i’ve heard it comes in EXTRA SHINY ™ now…lol can you feeel the FI’s hand on your shoulder?… and for those men playing along on the home edition… girls have agency…always… full stop… just like that girl in the last two main OPs (Goldmund’s bathroom play…)… (regardless of what they try to tell you after the fact…lol… AND regardless of the fact that attraction… Read more »
@Culum This is surreal though. I remember posting a Field Report a couple years ago about some online girl and I was basically chasing her too hard and negotiating the meetup and engaging with her – quite similar to what you’re doing here – HABD kept telling me I was falling into her frame too much by engaging with her on her terms. It’s kind of a weird feeling to see it from the other side. THAT’s the sign of progress!!!… just relax into that AF way of being… aaaand i think it’s time to ping Epiphany Chick AND your… Read more »
Good to see you HABD. You’ve been missed.
@Blaximus
Good to see you HABD. You’ve been missed.
thanks… just popped in… been busy…
and everybody asking for help is still getting great advice…
good luck!
@WoundedGiant “Sounds like you’ve gone through massive growth in your relationship and family life. That’s really inspiring to me, in this massively challenging period.” Correction, I went through a massive growth in my self, my attitudes and my mastery of how I think and in controlling what I can control. In other words I fixed me. I hit the pavement running in the manosphere four years ago. Looking back, at first I lied to myself about how bad my predicament was (cause of Buffering). Also as Rollo has pointed out many times, early on about two and a half years… Read more »
“You have to “break up” with the BPD chick.” The quotes are because the breakup can be done figuratively.
@Everyone: HABD returns! On e-mail saga, might be coincidence but if not how the F can she get the pre-selection at a distance? Amazing. I didn’t even mention the meetup and did just the naughty girl thing among some other stuff (was quite short)… And she is opening up a bit more and writing as if we already agreed to meet (although she does mention the 1 initial coworker she had mentioned by name is going as well, the others which she now mentioned by name and are 2 more are doing something else, so she invited them all apparently;… Read more »
IAS I’m puzzled, but seems kind of good. I can push for the earlier solo meet up again This event is coming up soon right? At this point I’d just limit contact to logistics around meeting there, not plan to meet earlier alone – because really that is just cockblocking yourself when she is meeting friends at a set time shortly thereafter – and plan on gaming balls out (her, her GF’s, her cockblock guy and all girls around you) when you are together and then moving to pull… with good logistics you’ve planned out ahead of time [hint –… Read more »
@IAS, The girl in that email exchange sounds like a bloody nightmare. This reminds me of the last woman I messaged via online dating, she was doing similar things to this girl you’re describing, along with ignoring emails (not having known about the red pill at the time, I didn’t realise it was one of the asinine games that women play). I’d texted her about a meetup, and got radio silence. So feeling rather angered at having my time wasted (I was feeling rather annoyed at the whole experience of online dating, which had turned into an onerous chore), I… Read more »
Chunky
Easiest game with cashiers and waitresses etc… When you get your receipt look it and frown, “Wait this isn’t right. Something is missing” hand it back to her. She will look be like ” uh what” and you say ” your number. Jot it down”…
Done. Just be firm.
Chunky
These girls are bored. Fuck the FI and go for it.
“Ask her where she is from with the accent. She says Turkmenistan and asks if I’ve ever heard of it. I say of course it’s the next big thing. She laughs. She says well there was a US base there. I say I know I was there with the CIA during the cold war. She laughs…”
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/10/01/high-sexual-market-value-chicks-dig-mass-murderers/#comment-712716
@IAS
You might have heard this before (The Black Phillip Show), but some words of advice from a master:
https://youtu.be/t9QOQNcpuiA?t=104
@Sentient,
Cheers, when I’m next in, and that girl’s about, I’ll go for it, no buffering.
@Sentient Thanks for the love homie! @Chunky That situation – crowded line – girl at work Is low probability. For every successful pull when a chick is working – is that she has to go from Chelsea the Cashier, to Chelsea the “girl”. And with game, not only does she need to switch to girl mode, but a girl who wants to be chosen by a top guy, not girl who does the choosing of whatever is in front of her. Game is primarily about reversing the standard dynamic where the girl judges. Instead of trying to be best looking… Read more »
Nice to see you Archie. Hope you can stick around a bit. Like your stuff, big fan.
@WIA Thanks for commenting. Your experience and way of explaining game is quite complex in a well rounded way. Doesn’t get any better. This past month I was mowing the lawn around my hunting cabin and happened to listen to your three podcasts with Christian McQueen. I was thinking that your Game abilities and way of explaining/expressing them was like any Primo red wine, cigar, bourbon or scotch in its complexity and overall excellence. It’s really good stuff. Love your mix of professional life, with the Gaming life. Like Walter White in Breaking Bad but with more credibility and authentic… Read more »
Guys, I’ve been watching the old school Mystery Method videos this week. Prepping for the next Blitz from next week. *Highly* recommended. You need to concentrate a bit more than your average RSD video (except for those with infields) because it is a lot more technical, but fascinating. I mean I think RSD stuff is great (esp the infields) but a lot of the videos are more like “easy listening”. The Mystery stuff..it’s like a difficult college lecture, but you really learn if you watch carefully. And most of them is just these guys sitting around in a room with… Read more »
Culum
You craxk me up man…
https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-4/#comment-186071
No wonder you have some sticking points… You are the type that has to have a personal epiphany for something to take.
Ha ha.
Heh, it gets into my thick skull *eventually*…
@SJF
Thanks, man. Really appreciate it. I’ve already started implementing being more assertive with my woman.
I’ve written to you on TRP.
@WoundedGiant
Sorry, that didn’t go through. I had an account on TRP.Red but don’t actually have a reddit account. So I don’t think the private messaging works for me.
Here is a Plan B to get connected with me via email: Click on commenter Forge The Sky’s avatar picture (Gravatar) and he has a contact email. Send a note to him via email and I’ll ask him to forward the message to me. Thanks.
Link to his Gravatar picture:
https://therationalmale.com/2015/12/21/storytelling/comment-page-3/#comment-133286
Father’s Day card from American Greetings:
Dad on Father’s Day I want you to know how much you mean to me….
And though the words are simple,
they come from my heart–
I love you.
Happy Father’s Day.
Signed by son: “Thank you for everything! I would not have made it this far with out your help along the way.”
(He’s in a good place. And masculine.)
Signed by daughter: “Glad I get to spend the day with you. Love you!”
(She’s in a good place. And feminine.)
I had some red pill education yesterday. I live next door to an Eastern European couple, and the other day I got talking to the girl whilst I was on my way out to the swimming pool (I hadn’t really spoken to her before apart from to say “hello” briefly) So the girl started waffling on and on about herself, and dropped into the conversation (after we had got onto age, she volunteered her age, and I then asked if she was thinking about having a family given that she was pushing 30) the fact that her fiance had asked… Read more »
@Archie Thank you for the breakdown and advice. For the record that is smart, calculated, smooth game. Also a very astute observation with regard to the girl being in “checkout girl/work” mode, and having to switch her out of that state (in front of all the other customers and possibly a supervisor). It ties with something that happened about a year ago, I started talking with one of the shelf stackers, off the cuff asked for her number, and was a bit taken aback when she responded very seriously with a canned company edict that “[supermarket name] employee contact details… Read more »
Gents your feedback on a situation encountered in the field would be appreciated. I went to a singles icebreaker game via Meetup. Main reason was to check out the social dynamics at the event, be a fly on the wall, and if someone worthwhile showed up to bust a move. Event was designed to have 30 men and 30 women. No demographic or age filters. After crowd arrives there are a total of five women in the 20-40 age range. Three are HB6, one is HB4 and one is HB9. There are about 10 guys in the same age range,… Read more »
@ChunkyMonkey – like a minor superpower right? Looking at those situations and understanding the dynamics when no one else around you does..
“One thing I thought of just as a disruption tactic would have been to walk over to the group, and just say, ‘if you need help deciding, this guy’s the alpha’, signalling at the main opponent of the AMOG. Then (he was about 5’6″) add, ‘watch he’ll make short work of him.” With a nod to the AMOG.”
What if he nodded back and said, “Thanks buddy. I’ll try to not take too much attention away from you.”
Then you look like an asshole AND a beta.
@BlackPill – I’ve been to a lot of these singles events. If you have halfway decent Game, you can totally clean up because 99% of guys there are losers. The real problem (as you saw) is that the quality of women is typically low, and even worse, the age group skews high (lots of 30s post-Wall women looking to settle down, plus some 40s types) and there’s lots of provider hunting going on. The kind of women that go to these events are pretty much my staple fare on Tinder and I nail them on a (very) regular basis, but… Read more »
(to be honest you could do what I suggested even if you hadn’t met the HB9 before – your frame just needs to be a bit stronger. Since you had met her before it should have been pretty easy. Also note that if you spent lots of time at the event sitting by yourself drinking, you’re not doing your social proof any favours..)
Final thing for today, I met a lovely girl when I did eventually get to the swimming pool yesterday. Whilst I was taking a rest from a dolphin kick drill set, I noticed a shapely mediterranean looking girl with long dark hair, walking pool side putting on a swimming cap (I don’t know about you chaps, but watching a girl in a swim suit shaking her waist long hair about and taming it into a bun absolutely floors me). The girl gets in to my lane and starts flailing up and down the pool doing a breastroke that I can… Read more »
Just to add, I didn’t get a number close, but it was nice animated conversation for once (rather than an awkward one sided affair), and I’m hoping I’ve generated enough interest for her to come back.
@Black Pill and @Culum: That kind of singles scenario is adverse for what you want, which is also why the competition that turns up is a cakewalk, and the rewards for succeeding are lower. HB9 has to be a gross overestimate BTW, why would true HB8-9s go to that kind of events? That said and with the cautioning remark that I’m not particularly experienced, my knowledge of Game indicates that the way to succeed at the setting is not to directly engage/AMOG the men but to get as many of the lower SMV women eating out of your hand (figuratively… Read more »
@ChunkyMonkey: she was clearly into you (because you DHV’d and such but the reasons are not so relevant), she gave you several IOIs. Arguably going to your lane is already one, so good that you initiated conversation. She opened *really* well, asks your name (IOI), wants you to touch her by offering the hand (IOI), complies with your instructions (IOI) and when you screen for logistics she freely offers lots of info in order to help you “make it happen” (IOI IOI), compliments you (IOI). I don’t quite think cutting you off saying she has to go to a dad… Read more »
@IAS – typically when I attend these events, I see a few 7s (2-5 on a good day) and lots of 6s and some 5s. Once in a while (maybe once every two events) I see a legit 8 – usually she’s come with her friends to check it out as a joke, not because she really needs to go to singles events to meet guys. I’ve never seen a real 9 there. I agree with your overall read of the situation – this is essentially standard nightclub game, building social proof etc, but much easier because everyone is there… Read more »
@callum “What I would do (and have done a variation of) is not even engage the guys. Provided you made a good impression on the HB9 earlier, and your frame is strong enough, you can just walk right up to the group, make EC with the girl, smirk, say you’re borrowing her (taking her hand is optional but a good idea) and lead her off. Then tell her she can thank you later for rescuing her. If you can make her buy you a drink to say thank you, that’s even better.” That sounds Alpha af. Great advice. thanks.. I… Read more »
Weekend note:
Busy bar, mostly 20’s, young 30’s. A queen bee pretty young twenty year old walks in with her friends.
Me: You know, 14 year-olds aren’t allowed here.
She tries to figure me out, then goes pouty, rolls her eyes.
Me: Just kidding! Haha!
She has one of these bucket drinks…you know…high volume.
Me, pointing: I remember my first drink too, pussywillow
Her friend passes on my snark, cutie-pie goes bitchface, classic shit-test, feigned-anger-flash indignation. I always the gentleman, burst out laughing. She storms off. I never did follow up with her.
Just a general thing I tried this weekend that worked quite well.
As more and more girls get tattoos they become an easy target for negs. I tried two this weekend:
1. on HB9 blonde: are those prison tattoos? Got a huge smile from her then she qualified herself.
2. on HB8 shooter girl who had something that look like Elvish scrawled over her collarbone: what does that say in slut? Got a big gasp and then a couple of playful punches on the shoulder.
Chunky Just to add, I didn’t get a number close, WestIndianArchie’s advice to you is good… but your sticking point is ^^^ – ACTING… The time for running proper, more elaborate game, will come. But nothing can happen unless you ACT… So you need to get used to ACTING. It was step 5 in your plan… and the one you didn’t do with swimmer girl. You: what are you doing later? Her: I’m off to see my Dad. You: I was going to ask you for a drink. [this is a big compliance test – if she offers back another… Read more »
Culum
I see a legit 8 – usually she’s come with her friends to check it out as a joke, not because she really needs to go to singles events to meet guys.
Yes a joke… and pumps her esteem through the roof and solidifies her status in her group as the pretty one.
“A B C – Always Be Closing.” My phone was out of juice once this week and had to bail on the number. I didn’t want to give mine out. Charge it. Al Fresco Bistro: Midstride, to the back of her head, I opened a late 20’s girl with “You must use tons of conditioner.” with success. She asked what I’d meant by it and I coolly swept some hair in my hand and rubbed it. Her friend across the table giggled uncontrollably while Breck girl sat smiling. “I get it. The frizzy splits get out of hand, otherwise.” Number… Read more »
“Yes a joke… and pumps her esteem through the roof and solidifies her status in her group as the pretty one.” I’ve never had a foolproof opener for queen bee types other than a soft neg. They’re always more work, but the challenge is fun tho…feeling them emotionally wind up. Perhaps there’s a smoother way. I can’t bear pandering to her insecurities, only exploit them. The entitlement attitude is harder to push-pull, playful neg defeat. Teasing the innocuous body part (wrists and knees) could be considered thirsty, exploitable at best and engenders disdain at worst.Starting the interaction, her on the… Read more »
Eh
“Number closed in 30 seconds.”
Deets?
“So you need to get used to ACTING.”
Exactly! Convincingly pretending to be somebody else.
https://therationalmale.com/2012/01/13/just-be-yourself/
After the opener, I told her “You’re gonna looove coffee with me, I’m that fun.” Told her to type her number in, I’d catch up next week.
Told her she had great teeth while walking away, then said I’m already spoiling her and she better not get used to it.
That was it.
Her demographics (she was siting): 27ish, taller, ~135#, not fat, awesome smile, the hair was full, I mean really full, thought it a wig. Why? She was black.
Eat your heart out, Hank.
That was it.
That was it? Direct open, confident body language, kino, coolly social with friend, assuming the sale, ACTING on the moment…
yeah… that’s it…
“you can just walk right up to the group, make EC with the girl, smirk, say you’re borrowing her (taking her hand is optional but a good idea) and lead her off. Then tell her she can thank you later for rescuing her. If you can make her buy you a drink to say thank you, that’s even better.”
Just hypothetically, if I had joined that group and been interested in the girl, would there have been a way to get rid of the other guys, or instantly lower their SMV relative to mine? You can do this by just engaging her, and when she is focused on you you rotate your body so she is rotated away from the guys and towards you… such that she is giving them her back or side. Now you have to be able to engage her and keep her engaged. They will be trying hard to get her attention… if you’ve hooked… Read more »
Black Pill
https://therationalmale.com/2016/07/29/the-cardinal-rule-of-sexual-strategies/comment-page-5/#comment-165553
Competing…
“Just hypothetically, if I had joined that group and been interested in the girl, would there have been a way to get rid of the other guys, or instantly lower their SMV relative to mine?” I FR’d recently walking straight into two 20 y.o. guys gaming pretty, young girls. I calmly walked in the scrum, as if the guys were invisible, and immediately engaged. Per my wife sitting 15 feet away, the dudes backed way off. (Didn’t pay attention to the guys) Perhaps they thought I was the Dad. The young dudes were toast. The Colbie Callat look alike locked… Read more »
“…fast spiking of BT through direct game which is accompanied by high levels of cortisol…” Thanks ASDGamer, I hadn’t thunk of that. I’m rather direct. Hmmm..working some kinks out tonight. At pub, two early thirties decent-looking professional women next to me…one, on and on about how she’s a party animal. Me: Seems like you have a lot of living to do. YOLO, fight? Hi, I’m EhIntellect. Yours? Her friend introduces herself as Jennifer, I casually say I’ve known many Jennifers, lazer, they seemed to be great kissers, and am I accurate, what says she? She seriously stalls, not prepared for… Read more »
@EhIntellect “I avoided engendering thirsty, direct interest.” huh? It’s ok to show interest after they qualify themselves to you. (A3). Thirsty direct interest happens when you show interest before they give you female-to-male interest (A2). http://www.pualingo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/M3-Model1.jpg “They’re done with dinner…I lazily walk over on my way out…ask the party animal woman if she drinks coffee…no…tea…yes. I tell her we should get some…she says she’s leaving town tonight” You could have stayed with them and probe for logistics “so what are you guys up to tonight” then when she tells you she’s leaving town tonight, ask ” cool, where are you… Read more »
@Sentient That was it. That was it? Direct open, confident body language, kino, coolly social with friend, assuming the sale, ACTING on the moment… yeah… that’s it… For all you’ve written in the manosphere about DPA and the Platinum Rule: I’m trying to slog my way through Vadim Zeland’s Reality Transurfing ( and I never actually ever slog through books, I usually plow through them) and this guy has your shit nailed. It’s a codification of all the stuff that you and KFG has assimilated from ancient texts and stuff guys knew instinctively before socializing got in the way. The… Read more »
Having A Bad Day And Sentient And Others from before Update: I left for a business trip yesterday. My wife made a big effort to fuck me in the morning before I left, even though it was a bit tricky and we had to manage before the kids woke up. She got into bed naked and woke me up. Even though I had several days stubble and she has a rule about no sex without shaving. Isn’t there a blog post here by Rollo about how his wife always has sex with him before he leaves on a business trip?… Read more »
@j
Got it.
@j Thought about the PUA chart while on the treadmill. Cool and fun. Right. They hadn’t qualified themselves yet…my gut told me not to extend any more energy until such. Kinda stuck in the starting gate, didn’t befriend them. Thinking about it now, it was a battle of value…and my time (my greatest asset) wasn’t attractive enough. I like lazing, body language. I can see behind the eyes, intentions…that’s where I want to be. Didn’t feel any buzz. Per the chart, I hadn’t effectively baited these two, in the 3″ I was with them. Frankly, I’m used to “Hi, honey”… Read more »
@TheMarquis
Your wife is chasing you hard…that may change if you let off the pressure or if you don’t let her win your attention sometimes (she might give up trying)
@TheMarquis She also asked me twice in the last week if I would ever leave her or divorce her. Which I think is a definite comfort test. you’re reading her accurately…but you already knew that Even though I had several days stubble and she has a rule about no sex without shaving. to give her the illusion that she has control…my wife does the same shit and never abides by it unless she is really unhappy with me and just wants some excuse to avoid sex @j huh? It’s ok to show interest after they qualify themselves to you. What… Read more »
SJF – thanks will look into this. Marquis – welcome back hoss… Glad to hear your trip with the boy was a success. The seed planted, now just nurture him with the occasional pruning back. LOL. I left for a business trip yesterday. My wife made a big effort to fuck me in the morning before I left – common dread related technique. good. Even though I had several days stubble and she has a rule about no sex without shaving. Ha ha nice. I remember this was a frequent shit test for you. Good progress. her Dread is engaging,… Read more »
@TheMarquis
you’re getting great advice… co-sign all of it…
props on turning around your situ!… now just keep up the pressure…
and props on your father/son holiday… kids are the BEST!!!…lol
good luck!
@theasdgamer I agree. Going indirect allows you to DHV then, her qualifying herself to you, then you showing interest in her, which makes her feel like she earned your interest. ASD happens with going direct right away because she feels like you want her for her looks only like every other guy (didn’t earn your interest = ASD) Fast BT spiking is ok in the beginning of the attraction phase. (A1-A3) this helps you get massive amounts of A2 but once you’re pass that phase and into C1-C3 you want to do more Flatline talk (comfort) with occasional spikes because… Read more »
Sentient And Having A Bad Day Thank you. I hadn’t thought of it like that at all. This is a completely new perspective for me but you’ve given me a lot of food for thought. My responses to her asking if I’d leave or divorce were in between your two extremes, but much closer to the beta version – I think I said something like “Of course I’m not going to leave”. The second time (two days later) I think I said “What is this, a daily quiz? I’m not going anywhere”. I am going to re-read the distinction you’re… Read more »
Marquis When you say “press the advantage” do you mean just keep doing what I’ve been doing and don’t let her switch me to being more “beta comfort giving”? Continue and amp it up a bit more… She sees you getting above her in SMV and wants to pull you down. So the good news is you are ahead, the bad news is she knows it and knows she can pull you down. A little more dread, a little more cocky – especially when it counts [i.e. she is challenging you] – and a little more dominance will do ya.… Read more »
Marquis
Ponder how this:
In that case I’ve said the more cocky lines like “What do you mean “mistress” singular? I have mistresses…one for each day of the week”.
results in this:
And that works well..
Cats are not dogs…
@TheMarquis My responses to her asking if I’d leave or divorce were in between your two extremes, but much closer to the beta version – I think I said something like “Of course I’m not going to leave”. The second time (two days later) I think I said “What is this, a daily quiz? I’m not going anywhere”. here’s the deal on responding to comfort tests (and even the ones that are really shit tests that you don’t spot in situ…lol… which are most likely beta bait…)… always… let me repeat for emphasis… ALWAYS… connect ‘you continuing to stay with… Read more »
@Black Pill The Meet Up Scenario 1. Good that you went to check it out. 2. the opportunities to pull the girl – when she first got there – when she bumped into you the second time. She was begging for the D 3. 3 guys on 1 girl scenario For new players, they gravitate towards trying to tool the guys and raise their value in front of the girl. In essence, they’re still playing the game to the girl’s advantage. Trying to be chosen, instead of doing the choosing. You can do that. And YaReally broke it down many… Read more »
Having A Bad Day and Sentient
Thank you for the followup especially the detail about linking her efforts to my commitment to stay. I’ll definitely do that.
“… I could discuss rising carbon dioxide levels with a chick with technical accuracy, but the sub-coms aren’t about the greenhouse effect.”
Church
@Culum, Now if I could have got that admission of my neighbour to work to my advantage, I would definitely agree with the “minor super power” label. To be honest I was a bit preoccupied with where to look, because my eyes kept wandering back to her chest.. @Sentient, Thanks, I’ll remember that, that’s a bloody good gambit to turn around a “sorry I’ve got to go” statement (I always take it too literally and respond by saying “have a good time”, or “nice meeting you”, or such like). Thinking about it, do girls throw that into a conversation to… Read more »
@Everyone, Sentient in particular… Some random updates and e-mail saga girl. Random: girl 3 from the other FR (i.e. the one that bait and switch when I was supposed to cook at her place) re-opened me on FB saying she was changing job and would eventually be able to tele-commute and be able to travel. I was like “You should visit my country” and she seemed quite eager. Not quite sure what to make of that, let’s see if she actually comes I guess I could offer to let her stay at my place and see what happens? I was… Read more »
IAS
Good work limping this along and getting the meet. At this point I’d just give her an “LOL. Behave” and drop that thread. Her ASD is bound to go up the closer to the meet. You can better escalate and sexualize in person. Tou are working with fumes at this point on email.
Good luck.
@IAS
Visiting chick – don’t offer
Email close – hard to get past mental spam filter. Instadate instead of contact info. If she’s not hot enough, earnestly befriend chicks to enlarge your social circle. Warm intro from an available m acquaintance will boost your conversion rate. Plus social proof, off and online.
Email exchange – lot of work for little reward. Instead of trying to get the bang, use these low probability channels as a way to test things out. What if I say this? What will she do?
Chunky Thinking about it, do girls throw that into a conversation to see if you’ll close or not? Now you are starting to think like a cat… good! The cat says she has to go, because she has to go however she could be convinced otherwise… Her plans are not set in stone. These conversational patterns are as old as time… this is what “just getting it” is about… understanding she has to demure… at first… and understanding she is open to other possibilities… Consider this story Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the… Read more »
Chunky
WIA expanded on his comment to you on his blog, http://www.westindianarchie.com/how-to-talk-to-cashiers/
Rollo should toss his link in the Blogroll…
I had a very fascinating interaction very recently which inspired this post. It’s always fascinating to see Red Pill principles in action, especially in relation to the Dark Triad traits and the Blue Pill. For the full read, you can go here: (https://alphajedi.com/2017/06/23/a-dance-with-the-dark-side/) Some background: Me and a good friend where hanging at an LA hot spot that we frequent when we wound up chatting up another guy about some business. Our new found friend starts chatting these two girls that are sitting at the bar up while we’re grabbing drinks. Our new buddy had to leave, but my friend… Read more »
Yesterday, at sports bar, 20-30 y.o’s playing sand volleyball. Mrs. Eh and I on covered porch with about 20 others. I see smoking’s allowed on the deck, had a cigar, forgot my lighter. There’s a 25 y.o. o.k. looking woman with three guys talking at her. She’s smoking. I walk up, blow past the guys, about 6 inches from her: “Got your lighter?” She hands it over then…. Her: Why you dressed like this? (Grabbing my taupe jacket lapels in her hands, tugging. Here we go…) Me, torching up: I wear this when I don’t care what I look like.… Read more »
Eh
Tucked lighter… Lmao…
FR: e-mail saga in person. I can do a shorter version if this is too long. Minor opens to warm up before she arrives. She arrives and I pick up and twirl her. She is like “Ok…”. No cockblocks yet. We had a chunk of 1-on-1 time. I kino’d her extensively throughout the night. No K close, no ass grab. Just lots (and I mean lots) of my hands on her hips and similar (small of back etc.). Also got in quite a chunk of hand holding, which I enjoyed partly as revenge from last time as this time I… Read more »
@IAS – good work on going out and opening the people around you and having a good time. As for your main target, she is obviously attracted to you, but her ASD/logical mind is at war with her attraction and she fires off those messages about being married etc whenever it gets the upper hand for a moment (it also gives her plausible deniability if something “just happens” – after all she warned you about it and now the responsibility isn’t hers). If you really want to go through with this with her all you need to do is isolate… Read more »
IAS
Well you got the meet. And you won over the friends. What’s missing?
Also you overdid the obvious kino. Ki o more discretely around her people… Just a little to sexualize. You don’t do it to prove a point or make it more difficult for her. You do it in this context to show your intent that you are not a friend.
@Culum: neither of us drinks alcohol at all, can’t even use that crutch with this one. Good chunk of experience otherwise, great night. That hen party… Too bad. @Sentient: yep, I think I did overdo it and not just the time she pushed my hand away. Lack of calibration. I guess I did it also partly to see what happens if I really push it. And what happens is by e-mail she is asking if I liked the night and reiterated she really liked *without mentioning the kino “excess” at all*. Interesting that she felt some urge to do it… Read more »
@Sentient: what is missing is an F close or at least a K close, doesn’t even need to be with the main target.