For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
@J – thanks dude, will check out.
Heading out alone to a major kiddie nightclub aged 37..let’s see how tonight goes.
One of the things I really miss about yareally’s presence, is that I don’t get the chance to gain a better understanding about why he felt the way he did about what was possible Wrt interactions with women. He just didn’t believe certain things were within the realm of possibility for men, yet he wanted to explore one of the most dangerous aspects of a relationship with a female for men, knocking them up while still playing the field and clueing them in, somewhat, to the whole thing while dodging commitment and avoiding the court system by…. Idk…. Magic or… Read more »
C’mon Blax. I miss YaReally too, but I agree/disagree with the stuff you’re saying. Yes, he had a bit of a blind spot about marriage. I mean his logic was impeccable, but he didn’t make enough of an effort to understand why so many of the OMGs, including you and the others who are actually good with women thought it could work (in particular, I changed my mind on the marriage issue to agree with you guys, after HABD’s analysis which basically showed – among other things – that if you want kids, then your best bet is actually to… Read more »
If you want to swim with the sharks, don’t complain when they get an advantage over you. Not everything is in a perfect world here. I’ve never been in a perfect situation, where all the variables were controlled by me. But I played the cards that were dealt me. With the understanding that I didn’t know the cards that others held. But sought to figure what those cards were. This blog is implicit about that. Feminine supremacy is the order of the day. On top of that, HB8+ <25 y.o. pretty much has the run of the table. (and Trump… Read more »
@Culum he didn’t make enough of an effort to understand why so many of the OMGs, including you and the others who are actually good with women thought it could work YaReally’s position on OMG marriage, I believe, is that women had different expectations back in the Stone Age ™ than women do today. Married women didn’t go out without their husbands. Married women gave up their single women friends. Married women didn’t give their contact info. to men who weren’t relatives. Basically, married women corralled themselves. YaReally didn’t believe that it is possible to get women to do this… Read more »
That link for man bracelets reminds of that webpage masculine style in that masculine style webpage had no masculine and there ain’t no man in those bracelets
@Culum and Blaximus One thing that YaReally did was comment with impunity on this blog. (definition: exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action). Rollo is a big fan of The 48 Laws of Power. In his comments, YaReally really transgressed most of the 48 Laws of Power on this blog. Exhibit A: https://www.tke.org/files/file/The_48_Laws_of_Power.pdf Me?, my opinion was that 98% of what he said was golden (up until he had issues with the OMG’s), but 2% was bullshit. And he veered into and invested in that 2% on the Rational Male because of Ego. And that… Read more »
Missed a word: “We all lack, when things are going badly, balance. The ego cock-blocks the soul.” When the soul and the cognitive mind (Ego) harmonize, that’s when you can advance the ball (or the motorcycle or the snowmobile, or the farm tractor or the 4 wheeler).
Or a chainsaw or five of them.
@m4430 You told your “perfect” (nb. sounds like your primary) that you do romantic stuff with other girls before “making love to them” (since it’s not just meaningless fucking after that). And then you rubbed it in by saying you had a good time and she weren’t there. That aside, why do you want to explicitly tell your plates you’re not exclusive? What is it that you want to achieve and what motivates it? You want to manage their expectations? You don’t want to lie? You don’t want to hurt them? You want to avoid drama? What is it that… Read more »
Reading the conversation you guys had with YaReally :
– I disagree with the solution he was trying to come up with
– You guys missed his point/problem he was describing, which is obvious even in the above comments
– Those back and forth comments are probably the only part of this blog that makes me feel that I wasted my time reading it
@Anon01
– You guys missed his point/problem he was describing, which is obvious even in the above comments
maybe you’ll enlighten us…or are you just flapping your gums?
FR Sat night solo Long full night solo right from 1045pm to 3am (closing time is 4 at this particular kiddy nightclub). I like the club and go pretty often but it’s so much harder without my wing (there were some guys there from the local PUA lair I recognised and we nodded to each other but I didn’t feel like joining with them – the vibe wasn’t right – also one other guy who I didn’t recognise and may not have been from the PUA lair but who did pretty well – like he was short but did consistently… Read more »
(I posted as jkl from earlier) Thanks for the welcome Culum. So I actually tried writing a good FR of my Friday night and I realized it takes way more time than I thought lol, anyone had that. Very useful though for sure, even writing my own FR I can spot a ton of things in my game. I’ll write down my last interaction of the night right now, cause I actually have a (low-quality) number from it and I’m interested in thoughts from you guys on the best play, since it was a super short interaction and messy lol.… Read more »
@theasdgamer “maybe you’ll enlighten us…or are you just flapping your gums?” What would the point of that be? All the comments are still there. There is enough-maybe too much-to read. @Culum Struan “To be honest, I tend to swing back and forth between not drinking at all and drinking a bit…It’s more something to *do* when I’m alone than anything else” I was there, too. At the moment, I think it’s better to go with zero alcohol. It will give you predictable shit tests, and also it kind of forces you to think of how to self amuse without going… Read more »
“You should watch rsdtyler’s “mission 1” video from hotseat @ home on “leading vibe + seperating emotions from content.” It works AMAZING in nightgame/clubs(tyler does it during the day, too, and it works, but I’ve chickened out of doing it during daygame, so I don’t really know tbh)” FWIW I meant I haven’t done the exercise during daygame, because you can easily make it “cartoonish” and still work. The take home(talk like you are an expert about it and like you really like it, no matter the content) isn’t difficult to do. I just feel the exercise reinforces the concept… Read more »
Friday night btw so I didn’t text her yesterday. _ re:Me (scrambling for something to say lol, first thing that comes up to mind): Wanna have drinks this week ? I fell back on this line fast enough so it still somewhat flowed with the interaction but now I see the value of memorizing default things you can say at different points of the interaction without thinking at all, sometimes your brain just isn’t fast enough lol. It feels unnatural because we’re socially conditioned to believe there shouldn’t be any preparation in social interactions but even non-game aware people have… Read more »
Culum Damn man. Brutal honesty. Props. On Hand of God, if she shakes her head no, shake your head yes and look at your hand. Compell her to take it by locking eyes, lookimg at your hand and nodding yes. Do this a few times. It’s often a frame battle shit test. You can also issue a commans to “take it”… If you still get no action. Shake your head side to side like you are disappointed in her… Then stick your tongue out at her ans smile. Or you can give her the finger and smile… Reaction is good.… Read more »
Culum
Some of Jeffy’s thoughts on the topic…
It’s what I thought…YaReally is just gaslighting
@zfg
“Wanna have drinks this week ?”
Rule 3: Don’t ask questions when you can make statements instead
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/the-rules-of-social-savviness-rule-3/
“now I see the value of memorizing default things you can say at different points of the interaction without thinking at all, sometimes your brain just isn’t fast enough lol.”
Yeah your gonna run into the same topics over and over again. So having default openers/routines/stories are always good to have in your back pocket
http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/4/#comment-rationalmale-153288
@Culum
RSDMax has some good advice on club game in his latest video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKAYCKszieo&t=23s
But for a really good infield, get The Natural (torrent) and watch the video titled “One Full Night with RSD II” it runs about an hour and 30 minutes. It’s exactly what the title says: from opening/merging sets, rejections, warming up, state crash/recovery, pulling the girl etc. It’s really good.
Don’t know what to say?
Let’s grab some tacos so I can touch your butt
1st karaoke bar…warmed up…gamma guy there sang “At a medium pace”, harangued cute bartender to duet it. Poor dude. I was uncomfortable at his gamma-ness. 2nd karaoke bar…busy. Former HR director’s wife…there again…no hubby this time…alone…perched on a barstool. Uh-huh. Heal thine own marriage, HR director. I reintroduce myself, she feigns ignorance. She likes country, I suggest we duet a crossover country song, she says she’s about to leave, meet someone, left 5″ later. Heh. Mrs. Eh is hanging with some 20’s y.o. out-of-towners. I prompt one to sing with me, she chooses a rap song, tried to harmonize, goes… Read more »
Thanks guys. Had a date this afternoon with the MILF HB6 from my singles event a few days ago. Was a bust. I mean, I had her back in my place with the wallet gambit, tits out, making out etc for like an hour, but I think mainly what Blackdragon calls the “over 33” issue. It wasn’t LMR as such – LMR is when she’s turned on and wants to bang you but is resisting. Here she obviously wasn’t turned on enough in the first place and wasn’t into the physical stuff – the vibe was LESS sexual than singles… Read more »
Field Report Background: You’re not gonna hear about any bangs on my FR’s because they could end up in divorce court. Friday night I danced with about fifteen to twenty women at my normal bar and hung out with an older pair of girls because they were fun. One was married and the other a smoker. I don’t do married or smokers–kissing a smoker is like licking a dirty ashtray. Oh, wait, you don’t have to kiss a girl to fuck her. Lesson learned. Both women were blondes and both were trim with big boobs and pretty–very bangable. Late 30s.… Read more »
Very interesting comments since I posted. Just a remark about appearance and my experience this weekend. ___ The fashion ones are a bit behind now but I just wanted to say that 2-botton monocolor polo shirts were my garment of choice back in the day (still have like 20+ of them), and had been thinking that maybe they appeared too bland/boring to girls. Turns out they are ok. My problem I guess had more to do with the fact that they did not fit well (done in purpose due to being overweight). About clothing, I have been checking out what… Read more »
@Oscar – good going. More action – see, it’s not that hard. Next time you’ll go for the kiss. Drinking is not ideal – it dulls your alertness to pick up on all the social nuances, plus it can become a crutch for some men so that they can’t Game without it (not to mention the hangovers and the cost). On the other hand it’s great to get you to relax and out of your head, so only you can decide if the tradeoff is worth it (see my posts above about my own drinking – I’m no saint on… Read more »
@SJF
Good synopsis of months, years of discussion. Lots of history. Disagreement isn’t manifest dismissal.
“YaReally’s goal was to have babies”
Not sure about that. He’s been known to say “I could have hundreds of YaReally’s”. Well what’s stopping him?
“He adapted to what his options presented themselves as.”
RP avails here-to-fore unrealized options, impels men to act. We make our options.
“No one can be as Alpha as an apex Alpha (odds proposition wise) , but we can strive to move towards it.”
True, true…odds are we won’t influence many, but those we’re closest to, we influence much.
Culum Did have fun smashing some of the shit tests (like when she asked me to go into the kitchen and refill her wine and I was like “do it yourself”) which resulted in some of the best genuine attraction spikes going. Also, given that she (as she told me) has lots of experience with swingers clubs etc and goes regularly I wonder if I should have upped the dominance and physicality 100x Ya think? Reread you FR from the event night… That night you were the King Kong baller guy running the place… Women and doods all over you.… Read more »
Oscar Nice man… Crossed the Rubicon of touch and entitlement fast… Good work. If you get objections to touch just dial it back, give it a rest. You will learn calibration. Of the girl verbally protests just be cool like “hey I’m just getting to know you” and roll off a bit. Again good instincts. Learn to trust your instincts. Next time a kiss, just for the experience. Laser her, lean in 90%, let her close the 10%, if she pulls back just be cool “you looked like you wanted me to kiss you. I didn’t say I would,[pulling back]… Read more »
@Sentient @Culum “Do it yourself… Now stay there [you standing]… Take a sip. Do it. Now strip…. [lazer from the God’s] Go ahead. Do it. [firm expression] Put your shoes back on. DO IT! Get on your knees… Crawl. Crawl over here. Unzip me.” yep…earlier this a.m. I told Mrs. Gamer that I wanted a quickie and she said “sorry”…Mrs. Gamer was putting on warpaint getting ready to go to work…she sat down beside me on the bed as she talked about shit…then more talk…I pressed her pussy briefly…I told her I was gonna spank her and do her as… Read more »
Re: Alcohol + FR I don’t drink anything at bars/clubs, but I do during pre-game (same drink every time: 200ml Smirnoff + can of sugar-free Red Bull). Then I listen to music on my way to the bar area (Trance is my music of choice) then start opening street sets then sets in the bar minimizing time between sets and I’m in the zone. This Saturday, around midnight (the night was starting to transitioned to second half of the night) I approached this HB7.5 20 year old visiting from out of town. talked a little bit, suggested we get drinks… Read more »
J
Sweet.
What ate the takeaways? State, Proximity, leading, kino, logistics, focus on how to bang not what to say or do…
Same things over and over.
Nice.
FR I had been interested in one of the girls (HB7) that I see out dancing occasionally and decided to make a move the next time I see her. Ended up seeing her recently so I asked her to join me for some food after we dance that weekend to which she accepted. I tell her I typically show up at X time so I’ll see here when she gets there. I was consciously focused on only providing value and not extracting value in this interaction so I didn’t ask for her number. Later that night she hangs back to… Read more »
Catcher’s Later that night she hangs back to let me know she’s leaving so I tell her, “See ya this weekend…” and she lights up as she nods in the affirmative. I’ve seen this behavior a lot and this is the girl telling me, “Hey, ask me for my number before I leave for the night …” but I felt confident I would see her and didn’t ask. Is this DHV for me or am I projecting that I’m socially inept by not asking her for number? Part of being a guy that “just gets it” is “getting it”… so… Read more »
@J – good FR man. The thing that stood out for me is that you seem to have a regular routine to build up and get into state reliably. Especially if you go out alone a lot (do you?) that’s a big help. I’m slowly improving – listening to music etc as Sentient suggested – before going out, but it’s still a struggle, especially the early bits when I go in and have to start getting social fast. @theasdgamer – no offence dude, but that’s terrible advice. You can’t logic a girl or ultimatum a girl into fucking you. You… Read more »
Culum
That makes a lot of sense with those blanks filled in. Late afternoon art gallery – proposed by her… Beta bait. That gets an “LOL” or “Yes! then the library after!” A&A reframe. Not what The Guy ™ from the bar at night would accede to. So the ball rolling downhill towards provider. Props to pull her back to room room from this! [also note the setting time traps and she breaking it]
You should try setting things up later. Like 9 or 10. Easier to say you have a dinner but can meet after for a drink!
@Culum no offence dude, but that’s terrible advice. You can’t logic a girl or ultimatum a girl into fucking you. no offence bro, but most of what I suggested had zip to do with logic–it was all aimed at the hindbrain…lots of DHVs…a zfg attitude, which is like catnip…internal frame…I could have said, “maybe we should just play canasta” and it would have had the same effect…remember YaReally’s observations about nonverbal communication being more important than verbal communication and women hear NVC before they hear verbal communication no way in hell would I give a broad an hour of my… Read more »
@theasdgamer – I’m no YaReally – I made plenty of mistakes in the interaction. They are broken down in my exchange with Sentient. What I didn’t do is make the situation worse by giving her a butthurt ultimatum to fuck me or get out. As for the rest of it, the behaviours you describe don’t become DHVs just because you call them “DHVs”. Like, I can say “And then I DHV’ed because I totally whipped my cock out and pissed on the floor in front of her with a ZFG attitude, because IDGAF”. But pissing on the floor in front… Read more »
@ Oscar
“Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that as long as you have a good physique you don’t have to worry too much about what you are wearing. ”
As European styles go…correct. I’d never pull off Brantlley Gilbert/MMA/biker (common around here) believably. I don’t try.
Thank you IAS, Anon01, Culum Struan and IRL for advices given and suggested reading. I am new to red pill knowledge (cca. 8 months) so I need some more reading on soft harems and putting words into actions.
IRL thank you for asking the important question: what do I really want ? I needed this.
Lol. There are times when you can tell a girl ‘ get naked or get out ‘, but you’d better be a master at reading her. It depends on who you are, or even more importantly, who she thinks you are. Chicks break rules and norms all the time. How hard can you ping a chick? And is she into being pinged really hard? Sometimes there’s only one way to find out. Newbs, get this also, the possibilities are more vast than you think. Chicks aren’t special, delicate snowflakes. If they’d tell you, you’d be surprised what they think often.… Read more »
Yes, same here, thanks for your suggestions and encouragement. It means a lot.
Another field report from the shooter girl zone. I’m out on Saturday with a friend at a bar that has plenty of attractive women. We stand at the bar counter and I am on the lookout for IOIs. The last time I was there I had a few options, aided by a girl I am friends with who helped pre-qualify me. This time I was getting no IOIs at all. There are lots of pretty girls around, but they are all in groups with a 2:1 or 3:1 m/f ratio. The average guy there is ripped and good looking, and… Read more »
Blacker Pill But then as she’s talking to me and puts her hand on my chest, palm down for a couple of seconds. This is happening to me fairly often lately in sets, and I take it as a strong IOI (maybe I shouldn’t). At the same time I feel like I am gonna run out of things to say, cos I already feel quite dry, and she then says she is off to have a smoke. This is an IOI, but it’s not going to replace your leading. So kiss vibe, IOI, her kino and you… feel dry. So… Read more »
Why would you fake grabbing her ass? There is no way that won’t look like a bitch move
EhIntellect
Thought about the PUA chart while on the treadmill
Treadmills are bad for your stride. Just walk on the ground and take the stairs instead.
@Culum As for the rest of it, the behaviours you describe don’t become DHVs just because you call them “DHVs” I’ll deal with why I could pull this off and you couldn’t at the end. “amused mastery = you are saying to the broad, “I’m not concerned about your answer…I have options” DHV smiling = not butthurt…very important that you don’t give off signals that you’re butthurt that a girl is withholding sex…you’re amused at her silly little game standing tall makes you look more attractive DHV elevating your nose is status signaling DHV cell phone out = I can… Read more »
@Ton
Why would you fake grabbing her ass? There is no way that won’t look like a bitch move
Lol, I once accidentally palmed a girl’s butt while dancing because I froze mid-move. She wasn’t pleased. The girl still signals that she wants my dick, tho.
I pretty much start off by telling girls I want to do xyz and touch your butt.
Like in a few minutes it’s hey darling let’s go ride to get some tacos so I can touch your butt
@Ton
Like in a few minutes it’s hey darling let’s go ride to get some tacos so I can touch your butt
I guess I’m too full of myself…I’d say, hey darlin let’s get tacos and maybe I’ll touch your butt if you’re lucky
“Treadmills are bad for your stride.” The physics, and thus the biomechanics, of pushing off stationary ground to propel yourself forward are totally different from moving ground pulling your leg back while you stay in place. If you aren’t a runner of some sort, there’s really no reason to run. If you are a runner, the messed up biomechanics they induce mess up your stride to the point that they increase injury rates, not to mention decreasing your running efficiency. Treadmills were invented as a bit of medical lab equipment for testing heart patients. Then people who wanted to make… Read more »
@theasdgamer – Lololol. Like I said, I know I’m not going convince you. I’ve said what I wanted to say and the men reading can decide for themselves who is keyboard jockeying without field experience and who is not.
Since you specifically asked though – I just got back from spending the afternoon at an FB’s place, so I have in fact had sex more than twice in the last 24 hours. And I actually seduced her this year, not during the Carter administration (or whenever you met your wife).
“Just walk on the ground and take the stairs instead.”
Walking, stairs…cool. Only at 8.5 mph tho…for thirty minutes, tho. Haven’t changed my velocity in 20 years. Poor man’s exercise stress test.
@Culum Since you specifically asked though – I just got back from spending the afternoon at an FB’s place, so I have in fact had sex more than twice in the last 24 hours. And I actually seduced her this year, not during the Carter administration (or whenever you met your wife). gratz on the sex…you win that one since we’re comparing dicks, lemme know when you’ve been able to keep a LTR for 35+ years and she’s still in love with you (i.e., no dead bedroom) how many women have you had to Next? over 100? shit, I’ve told… Read more »
Lmao. C’mon fellas. Let’s not reanimate this zombie subject.
Aw, Blax, I was winning…I woulda won…I woulda won…it’s not fair
@Sentient Thanks for the insight. I’ve worked towards implementing as many of the themes / pieces of advice as possible but wonder sometimes if I’m still wading in the shallow end of the pool and lack the understanding of how deep the pool (opportunities) actually are. How far CAN I push something like the day 1 with this girl? I’m open to expanding my mind and field testing it. FR Day 2 One thing that put me off after Day 1 was her apathy over text. It was like we were trying to communicate with less words than the other… Read more »
Catchers I few things for your game tomorrow. For now ponder this. All the guys who fuck a lot of different women are ruthless about getting after fucking these women. It’s about fucking. Guys who are about being social and chatty and good partners and this and that… They get to do that and then the girl is off getting fucked by a guy who is all about fucking her. Be ruthless about the fuck. Ruthless. Be thinking like where could I fuck this girl right here? Where is the closest place? How do I isolate and extract? What do… Read more »
Catcher’s
How far can you push Day 1??? Cmon. You read here… Sex. Sex in as little as 10 minutes. Sex without echanging names or numbers.
J just posted a 20 minute meet to lay just a few posts upthread…
If you want to get good at game fast focus on SNL game. Focus ruthlessly on sex… You will be amazed at first how edficient this is. And worst case you henerally get her giving you a number if you cant close right then.
Stair stepping leads to blue balls, fucked up needy iffy game and confusion.
FR In the wake of my latest FR’s I decided to continue field testing with a focus on more action. Too often in the past I’ll be out somewhere and get some intense eye contact, or have a girl open me, and just completely ignore it / not take action. I show up at a different restaurant that also has a dance floor and is popular to close out the weekend and wait for the song to finish. As I’m watching the dancer’s I catch the eye of an HB8 and we share a glance for a bit before she’s… Read more »
@sentient thanks. Part of the hesitation was she was also giving off BPD vibes. Setting guys on fire, even when unlikely to cause harm, is not a good temperament indicator. Throw in the Ducati, the fact she was training to be a professional rig diver the last time we spoke… this sounds like bunny boiler material. Starting to be wary of girls who play the ‘lol I’m a Tomboy’ card too hard up front. I’ll try the movement thing the next time I run out of stuff to say in a set. Cheers.
Catcher’s
From my perspective I got the eye contact IOI, used our dances as DHV, tried a compliance test and she gave me an IOD so next step is DHV
Wrong
IOD is met with IOD then more DHV… especially if she was hotter and surrounded by guys…
@Sentient – that diagram is gold! The good old days. @Catchers #1 – What you should have lead your field report with “the rest of the afternoon.” So this is a daytime dance, not a night time dance, club, alcohol, sin filled environment. Why would a girl go dancing DURING THE DAY? Vs at Night? At night, she’s gonna drink and 4 hours later be in bed, with or without somebody. During the day? That’s not on her radar. The way you pull from a day game environment is keep moving the chick into new situations – but you have… Read more »
@Sentient I need to invest some time into disqualifying and using IOD on women en masse to get the feel for it. I made my comment about the pool depth as I think about SNLs the same way I used to think about Day 2 lays until I put my head down and accomplished it by keeping the logistics in my favor and understanding attraction and seduction better. This is coming from my AFC days where I wouldn’t even kiss a girl until Day 3 or 4 out of fear of rejection. @WestIndianArchie Thank you for the break down –… Read more »
Big box hardware store, padlocks, bolt cutter in hand. Cashier, 45ish, dolled up, lipstick, more makeup than I prefer, o.k. height, weight. She asks me what, or who I have to lock up. I gotta shift gears fast, for once my mind wasn’t on pussy. I tell her I gotta cut someone loose then lock someone down. She tells me zip ties work well too. Me, a little duct tape goes a long way and I’m creative with my bindings. Running short is a buzzkill. She’s all in, smiling, eye contact. I tread into her smiling face about 2″ away… Read more »
@CatchersIndifference – you’ve been getting great advice from Sentient and WIA. Focus particularly on what you want to achieve – which Sentient pointed out, but it reflects my experience too – my lays skyrocketed after I started optimizing my interactions for that – made sure my logistics were locked in, screening hard and going very sexual early on etc. Also re laser – are you sure you understand exactly what it is? It’s not just eye contact. Suggest you read the early stuff YaReally wrote describing it – a lot of it from his 2015 posts in the archive. You… Read more »
@ Palmasailor
No amount of social reassurance can help her. Yeeesh.
Opened two meh middle aged women lately, one talked derangedly, possessive of friend, frenetic shit testing (she said they’re long distance runners, and she’s speshul and I probably can’t run a mile to boot!), I mentioned she must have difficulty, with her cynicism, maintaining long-term relationships (she agreed), I’ve have already invested too much value into her flaky personality and should switch to decaf.
I was shocked at her emotional spasticity, defensiveness, vaingloriousness. Zero self-awareness.
Weird.
Catcher’s
Some more ruthlessness, albeit, more direct approach (easy there Archie! a lot of these guy shave no experience with this)
“The Difference Between Getting Laid and Picking Up/Meeting Women”
“Killer Instinct”
http://www.rsdnation.com/jlaix/blog/meet-evil-stifler
“He [Evil Stifler] has a very clean cut brain attuned to fucking a lot of girls. There isn’t much else in there. He has no sense of the future or the past — i.e. his brain doesn’t compute those things, those neurons are not present.”
Mindset
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkOwheuxPzE
“they were lucky to be with him”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKM-65UIGTM
Ruthless… “where is the nearest Starbucks?”
@ Sentient
cool first video…11:00…he alludes that aggressive direct game is where it’s at…the game that gets a lot of shit-testing…scares guys and is a true test of confidence…maybe angering a woman but maybe not…the alpha approach.
Early intrusive kino, perhaps before the open, we’ve all done that, right?
I kept my arm around the above spastic woman’s chair throughout the conversation, after. She never asked me to remove it as I sat there 30″. I sat relaxed. she’d put her arm on my elbow…then take it off.
Quick nexting, unapologetically after a flameout.
I love it.
Palma
I never touch the middle aged ones.
By then the hamster is too strong
Do you mean you never hook up with them, or touch them while you are meeting them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAM0ekI3xA4
LOL…
Culum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNUsKxHfxgo
“you are enough”…
Decent vid, nearly anti game – meet, isolate, drink, unskilled high kino dancing (lol look at the fags dancing!)… also good at showing the different places state drops (bathrooms, coat check, cars etc.) and how to just ride it out WHILE PUSHING TOWARDS you goal…
@palmasailor Lol. This is a cool conversation. “In every song there’s a lesson.” Hslf the week I’m on my own. I open the best lookng woman I can game, within reason, whereever I’m sitting for drinks that night, it’s sport now, out of sheer boredom, not looking to score, necessarily. I was making forward momentum, the tests kept coming, sexualizing, touching her. Me aggravatingly vague, rapid negging, the challenge ‘of breaking her ferocity was fun. She qualified once verbally, I jumped at that then got physical. I’m a good emotional rollercoaster. She wanted the D. Tis true, older women’s hamsters… Read more »
West Indian Archie had a good post recently on direct vs indirect… And an even better comment
http://www.westindianarchie.com/direct-game-v-delayed-direct-v-indirect/#comment-684
Worth looking at. Now if you are still struggling with the ruthless aspects of game… Don’t quail… Don’t use it as an excuse to not get comfortable with a more ruthless direct game. I’d go so far as to say get better at GLL style direct game and then develop your indirect more MM informed game.
Cause when push comes to shove you better be able to push and not think about it.
either you can be more forthcoming about yourself or we can sit here in silence.
Bro! Too fun…
@Palma Lol. When I get the emotional tampon treatment, 1) I say go on 2) we should talk about this in person because, some socially acceptable reason. Do you drink tea?.. Then get her to a place conducive to your game. When you get her out, (more like if), that’s when you actually do your work Hit em with the mental yoga I get this sense about you.. I feel an intuition… She’s going to nod… Then break the touch barrier by getting her to put her hands in yours. “One thing I learned…” So after more of her emo… Read more »
Archie
The Thin Man, who posts on sedfast, has a saying about middle aged women, that they need to go through a period (20 minutes, half hour) of decompressing and blurting out all their issues of the moment – their past, their relationships, their kids etc. – and you just nod and laser a bit and let it flow out… then she is in a place to fill her up. I’ve found this to be true as well.
He calls it “emotional disrobing”…
Sentient – I’ve been reading through that Bastiat Blogger site btw. That guy is fascinating. Too bad he hasn’t posted much recently. I particularly like his concept of the Septivium as a kind of Renaissance man broad skillset to aspire to learn (he was a SEAL *and* a successful hedge funder? Wow)
Culum
Yeah he is a cool cat. I see he is still teaching at Rollins College… maybe busy on the Septivium. You should email him and see what he is up to, invite him over here…
he was a SEAL *and* a successful hedge funder?
There is some degree of correlation… also Hockey / lax and crew guys…
http://news.efinancialcareers.com/us-en/156426/ex-special-forces-soldiers-found-to-make-excellent-hedge-fund-managers-heres-why/
http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Images/519/97272/2017-Stephen-Taub-Andreas-Halvorsen-Article-Page.jpg
Also scions of old wealthy families…
Mental strength and social skills are more important (broadly across the market) than the math/econ…. back to the other thread re IQ… the A’s are working for the C’s very, very often…
Howard Leedham Chairman – Dalma Capital Ltd. Howard was previously Senior Managing Director for the entire group of Argent Companies and McMahan Securities LP, he was responsible for implementing Argent Financial Group’s international hedge fund and investment banking operations by establishing a global structure, establishing offices, financial platforms and operational teams in the UK, India and Dubai. He achieved UK FSA licensing for Argent and they became the Dubai International Financial Centre’s first Category 3 license holder. Howard also established the first DIFC domiciled Hedge Fund. He was involved in the commercial initiation of Hedge Fund rules reform in India… Read more »
That reminds me actually of a book called How To Get Rich by Felix Dennis, a British entrepreneur who started a publishing empire (you may have read it). It’s exactly what it says on the tin and he admits in the foreword that he is basically publishing it to stroke his own ego (he also self-published some volumes of bad poetry) but says his view is honest because he’s not trying to sell anything like a course on getting rich or something – he doesn’t even care about the money from book sales. Anyway, the guy was clearly an insufferably… Read more »
That if you want to get *rich* then you need to be laser-focussed on *getting rich*
Best story I ever heard about this was a guy who graduated college, bought a tent and hit the road doing Tent Revivals…
https://www.amazon.com/Millionaire-Fastlane-Crack-Wealth-Lifetime/dp/0984358102
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@pua okay gradually getting back out there. got a job offer with heath benefits that i need, but it involved relocating and signing a lease. so i’d be stuck in broadly speaking this same area for another year, and my main goal is to leave far far away from where i am currently, as my location is the primary cause of my troubles. so i had to turn it down. i did have another interview more locally a few days ago, also with insurance. so hopefully i can snag that job, get a sleep study done, and solve my sleep… Read more »
“Be ruthless about the fuck. Ruthless. Be thinking like where could I fuck this girl right here? Where is the closest place? How do I isolate and extract? What do I need to do to make it happen? Train your mind to think like this. Like a clock is ticking.” ^ This is a very important thing that alot of people overlook. Especially for noobies transitioning to being good with girls. Seen alot of girls want to fuck a dude and he just keeps talking/gaming till she just walks off to go find a guy who will just pull his… Read more »
@hank holiday
“as usual, biggest issues with girls was just not having interest in the girls, so I didn’t really pursue them…like the 7, once she left, I didn’t care at all.”
Sorry if this is a bit personal, but have you tried no fap? Or lifting(strength training in particular)?
I understand having preferences, but at the end of the day, if you are hungry enough, your body will have to eat something.
@anon not too personal. most exercise is out for a while. i’m on medicine where I have to be careful about straining myself too much, especially around the joints. already had problems there, medicine makes it worse. I may see about doing some squats here and there though, but can’t go crazy on it. Hate weightlifting, I’m more of a runner, but I can do some squats. Still, I used to exercise a fair amount when I got started on this year ago, and made no difference. as for no fap, it doesn’t really make much of a difference. i’ve… Read more »
Yes. Be ruthless about the fuck and just in general around women. Best advice.
“imagine you get orgasms from being called a “whore” and “dirty cum slut” while penetrating you doggy style. what do you think would feel better – if the person calling you a whore really means it or is just your nice boyfriend taking on a persona?”
“as for no fap, it doesn’t really make much of a difference. i’ve gone like 9 or 10 days before and it didn’t change much for me. might change once I get more sleep. honestly what gives me the most drive, I’ve found, is if I go without for a few days, like 3-5, jerk off just once, and THEN immediately go out. but going too long without actually has the opposite effect, I go into like a hibernation mode and don’t care. but like 3-5 days without, quick fap, then go out would probably be best. I may try… Read more »
@Hank
“Hate weightlifting, I’m more of a runner, but I can do some squats.”
There’s your problem man. Low Testosterone. Read here:
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/08/13/why-every-man-should-be-strong/
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/01/18/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally/
@Hank Nofap is supposed to cause a flatline after a few days(1-2weeks? i can’t really remember), but after a period your libido comes back and is stronger. You should do it for ~100days and see for yourself. As for lifting, even if you can’t lift heavy, or any weights, from a testosterone pov the most important factor is not being overweight. I would go for resistance training instead of running though, or at least do both. If you google search, you can find options for resistance training when you are recovering and don’t want to load your joints. Also, although… Read more »
@hank – welcome back – glad you’re still on the path and making progress despite your challenges. @all So I’ve been on this Blitz for two weeks now, and I have the last few days to go before I get back to focussing on work till September. It’s been one of the best Blitzes till date in terms of actual results/achievements (although not so much in terms of approach volumes – but then not much learnt from large volumes of crappy approaches): Good: -First Blitz in years when I’ve done ZERO online dating (not even the dribs and drabs on… Read more »
@Culum “-Most importantly, I had my first cold approach makeout and cold-approach date (and near-lay) in YEARS at last week’s singles event. Big confidence boost – I can DO this, it’s not just online that I can nail.” Good shit dude. Game is reference experience. Pre-game ritual Something that I didn’t add when i go out solo is that I also watch RSD infield videos to normalize interacting with girls. Here’s what YaReally’s pre-game process looked like: http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/1/#comment-rationalmale-137614 http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/7/#comment-rationalmale-162003 “It’s not even AA really (I mean, AA is a part of it, but it’s more that my state is in… Read more »
Culum Good stuff. On the bad… Solo – wings are a crutch. And finding a good wing from a pick up baord is a fool’s errand. If they were really any good they wouldn’t want noobs fucking up their nights. Most likely they suck and need to glom on to someone else. Sure there may ne a few… Odds are not in your favor. I am always solo. Always parachuting into a city, usually on weeknights and have to start from scratch all the time. Pre game music helps a lot… But more for daygaming roaming around. At night the… Read more »