For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
Something happened last July 4 weekend that I totally forgot about until today. A little backstory is necessary but I’ll keep it short. It was early afternoon Sunday and heading off on what was intended to be a several-hour shakedown ride on my adventuring bike, hoping for an adventure. And so I rode for several hours mostly on unpaved back mountain roads with very few people (got lost a couple of times doh!)… especially on a late Sunday. Bike ran great and I finally popped out into a little mountain town just big enough to have a couple of stop… Read more »
@ Hank Nice try. You are not getting it. You are spending all your priceless time and energy on losing energy to yourself and your mindset. Desirous, energy depleted and incel is no way to go through life, son. It’s not everyone else and your environment. It’s you. Get this quote from Vadim Zeland tattooed on your brain: “I Do Not Want or Hope — I Intend” You are insisting on going down on the Ship of Fools. And you have everything and everyone to blame including the OMG crowd here. https://youtu.be/qpOpeRLjky4 No you are not the protagonist in that… Read more »
@dr zipper
Thanks for sharing your adventure. Enjoyed reading it.
@SJF (and others): I think this will interest SJF but maybe others as well.
Back when I was blue pill and trying to better understand love, I read C. S. Lewis book “The 4 loves”. I used to think I was a “storgic lover”. I had an excerpt stored somewhere from some other book which is apparently plagiarized in this website (conveniently so, that I could copy paste it):
http://www.appliedthought.com/carl/essays/LoveTypes.html
Check the Storge entry there…
thanks CI, it all came flooding back to me yesterday and I *had* to get it down on paper, so to speak; there’s more that I didn’t include but it’s still the most I’ve written in years, if not decades, lol
@IAS I do find that ‘types of love’ chart interesting. Because of the Greek Delphic maxim Know Thyself utility. Call me PRAGMA (logical-sensible). And reading that type, I find humorous. If you like how you operate, enhance your strengths, if not eliminate your weakness. You get to unapologetic-ally choose. You get to like yourself and your choices. You and your inner self get to have a mutual love between your heart and mind (Reference who I consider charming masculine men: Blaximus and SFC Ton and Sentient.) When the masculine personal heart is let out of its box to roam it… Read more »
@Sentient: as expected, she talked back about the course (I also added the first class is free part), but she went to logic mode “What does it include, how much the following classes cost and then her default “Doesn’t your wife mind if you teach the course to other women?”… So “Students shouldn’t talk back to the teacher” doesn’t quite cut it. I honestly feel like saying something like “I don’t lie but I also follow a don’t ask don’t tell policy” or “If she doesn’t like it she is free to divorce me” or even “Never asked her. If… Read more »
@IAS @Sentient
Shit test. Don’t fall into her frame. Can I shame you (beta) or are you shameless/do whatever you want (alpha). She’s asking about the course because she’s really thinking about it. She just wants reassurance there are no bad consequences for her if she fucks you
I would reply, “I offer a service of pleasure to women. Particularly women I find very attractive. And I happen to be very good at my job. If that doesn’t interest you, I withdraw my offer’
IAS “but she went to logic mode “What does it include, how much the following classes cost and then her default “Doesn’t your wife mind if you teach the course to other women?”… So “Students shouldn’t talk back to the teacher” doesn’t quite cut it.” What? How does this not cut it? It covers aaaaallll those things while reframing the convo, you slip her frame and enforce your position as the teacher. And what will her response be? Some shit test about you being the teacher… Congrats she is in your frame. It’s you to her, not some generic sex… Read more »
@IAS
Whatever you decide to reply remember it doesn’t have to make logical sense (might even be better if it doesn’t lol).Its about not falling into her frame and setting your dominant frame.
Always remember ‘Bring the movies’ man:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/chicks-dig-jerks-game-is-its-own-status/
I went clubbing last weekend and will probably do it again this one. I managed to talk to several girls, which is something I never dared before. Sometimes it was stupid shit, others something longer. Funnily enough, the only outright failure was with a fat girl who gave me a puzzled look after I commented on a plastic rose she was holding and moved away (fat girls seem to have a huge bitch shield these days). Clubbing is a typical setting to meet women here in Spain for guys in their 20s. I have always been inept at it because… Read more »
And Birthday Cat… 🎂
@Oscar “Do you have any suggestions about what to do when you don’t really dig the music?” Don’t dance if you don’t want to. Although it would be a good exercise in self amusement to see if you could have fun without your favorite music. [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKAYCKszieo&w=854&h=480%5D – – – – – – – – – “Summer is here but I don’t feel ready for the beach yet body-wise.” I hope you are not one of the dudes who don’t go swimming because they are not beach-body ready. Working out towards a good looking body is definitely something you should… Read more »
Hmmmm…. I’d cross the street to talk to those legs.
@Oscar C I’m not out for style points, but I can point out a few abstract thoughts. If its tough luv, its meant to be. “I managed to talk to several girls, which is something I never dared before.” The way you stated that “I never dared before” implies you put “importance” and implied scariness on opening girls. Instead of treating as no big deal. How about approaching a girl as no big deal and detaching yourself from any importance at all in the fact that you are just acting? What’s the big deal? I’m just opening a girl. As… Read more »
” . . . any alternative places to meet girls?”
Find all the places you could go to avoid girls. Every place else.
@SJF
“You gotta be fucking shitting me. Don’t waste your time. Opening a fat chick? You are actually wasting your energy in that scenario…”
You don’t need to have sex with a chick that you talk to. Scanning your environment to talk only to hot chicks is value-leaching behavior.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-kPMF9NZH0?list=PL2BZ2dcE-Xyd_p9X2AqnTtIUkCZRgyLg8&w=854&h=480%5D
I posted the list instead of the video I wanted to. It’s this one:
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-kPMF9NZH0&w=854&h=480%5D
@j: ahah right, I was thinking just that before you replied, after Sentient said it still fit, I thought “I keep forgetting it doesn’t need to make sense!” and then you write precisely that. @Sentient: birthday cat? WTF? (I guess that is the point) @Oscar: as someone that prefers electronic music, I can relate. Abstract yourself from the lyrics and listen and feel the beat (which is probably not that different from the slower tempo electronic music). Most of the crappy music isn’t that bad anyway, you don’t have to be a music snob. BTW some of the girls there… Read more »
Thanks Anon01, SJF, and IAS for the replies. In terms of body I have now an almost normal BMI (I know the indicator might be bogus), so yeah, it is not that bad.
@Oscar: you would be fine even if you were fat, as long as you have enough game.
Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7PAYhmoKkA
I’m not good enough to be sure, but when I watched that a while ago it didn’t seem to be faked with paid actor girls.
IAS
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/05/14/birthday-cat-game/
Birthday Cat is a type of non sequitur response to a shit test. You can do it with all kinds of images. I love sending animated gifs. There is one of a beaver chewing a stick that is great for any kind of bs response you get…
@Sentient: Leave it to Beaver!
““Do you have any suggestions about what to do when you don’t really dig the music.” I recently attended a 4-day music festival full well knowning many of the bands I had never heard of and there was a likelihood I might not like their music. There were two bands I REALLY wanted to see/hear. Thievery Corporation and String Cheese Incident. Turns out by not being so outcome dependent I enjoyed almost all of the music, even some of the heavy thumpa thumpa Bassnectar. I’m 53 and the chick I was with 41. For the first days days we joked… Read more »
What Roused said. If you allow yourself to not have as many preconceived notions – about the music you like, or more accurately, about yourself – you will be better able to allow yourself to enjoy things. You don’t need to “ego-protect” and think “I’m the kind of guy that doesn’t enjoy this crap”. What do you get from that, internet hipster points? You used to think “I’m the kind of guy that doesn’t talk to random girls” or similar self-limiting beliefs. Do you see the parallel? Are those latin-american musics that are topping the charts and playing at clubs… Read more »
“In terms of body I have now an almost normal BMI (I know the indicator might be bogus)”
A tape measure and/or a mirror is more accurate and no more precision is necessary, but in terms of going to the beach . . . Zero.Fucks.Given. You’re not there to pose for a gay magazine cover. You’re there to enjoy the beach environment, which includes girls.
@Anon01 Thanks for posting that vid. I definitely need to let go of judgement and let go a bit when out & about. My game with girls I’ve judged to be HB 6/7 is WAY stronger than when interacting with HB 8+. This helps. @Oscar C. I meet most of the women while dancing to music I didn’t particularly enjoy when I first started but have learned to enjoy the atmosphere. I think @j linked this for me a while back and it was very helpful: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-5002.html There is no better time to start improving yourself than now. This includes… Read more »
@Sentient
I about died when I saw the chomping beaver gif. I’m definitely going to use this.
For those looking to improve text game go read the Alpha Assessment section of Chateau from top to bottom:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/alpha-assessment-submissions/
I also recommend reading all of the pages of this field report. Tons of videos, links, situational advice, and theory that has been incredibly helpful on my journey.
@Oscar: Something you might find interesting:
@Anon01
July 13, 2017 at 10:59 pm
Good catch on my faulty advice not to engage the fatty.
I actually was trying to press the fact of don’t have “importance” to her or her response (after the fact). (Be indifferent to her response). Not entering with “judgement” is much more precise a way to enter the field and that video of Julien was good.
Thanks. Cause I’m very judgmental when I want to be.
Catchers
I about died when I saw the chomping beaver gif. I’m definitely going to use this.
That’s the spirit…! have fun with them. Loosen up guys…
Here is another one a guy put me on to…
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Chimp_19caef_470243.jpg
lol
doing some home remodeling and was practicing my flirting the other day on a chick who worked at the tile/flooring place; it was one of those places where you get assigned a ‘designer’ to follow you around trying to upsell you on everything, so it was just the two of us and she was stuck with me while I tried some shit on her lol I didn’t really find her attractive but she seemed receptive to my flirts so I continued – teasing, making her qualify – ‘trying’ to give off a ZFG vibe…. (lol, I know, doesn’t make sense);… Read more »
always been a fan of hers since the booby scene in Vacation, but AWALT lol http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/07/13/beverly-dangelo-talks-having-twins-at-49-co-parenting-with-al-pacino.html Choice bits: “I had a fantasy that when you have kids, you do it in a family setting.” But after only 3 months w/ Pacino, she was sowing that seed, far before any family setting exists. And her description of Pacino as “….a controlling, harassing man who has never changed a single diaper” sounds like hamsterization of her Alpha. And I suppose that “…out of my support system and people I know and love, I’ve created the ideal partner…” no longer includes a ‘family… Read more »
@dr zipper re: remodeling girl Your FR sounds a lot like some of my FR’s especially when I first found this place. I would evaluate a girl and if I didn’t find her to be relationship / marriage material looks wise I wouldn’t flirt or field test anything. As you alluded to this is definitely the FI playing dirty tricks on you and for me I felt like I would be leading them on if I engaged. You don’t owe these girls anything! Good on you for pushing through even though you didn’t find her attractive. You don’t have to… Read more »
Dr Zipper…
Wha? No love for The Sentinel?
One Of Robert Evan’s many, many slam pieces…
A mutual friend, socialite Nikki Haskell, gave Evans D’Angelo’s number, and he called her from Paris. D’Angelo told him: “Let’s cut to the chase. No getting-to-know-you stuff. Saturday at noon I’m coming over . . . Don’t be a disappointment to me. Get a good night’s sleep on Friday. You’ll need it.”
Nice jacket.
Field Report @you all playas I was at a meetup and a couple was there. I like the guy and his girl was flashing her cleavage at me–I saw a lot of tits. She kept playing with her hair whenever I looked at her. There was a time that I was sitting next to her and she was leaning my way. Then, when I walked out with the couple, she walked next to me, chatting with me, while the guy walked a yard away from her. I don’t want any drama with the guy. Do I need to say anything… Read more »
okay not too much new, but still a new thing and getting back in groove of things both at work girl and her mom I saw a few weeks ago. chatted a bit and told them the day I was usually there and they should stop by then. well, they did show up here, although the dad was there. not a friendly sort. so I chatted up the mom mostly. got on her good side. jumped over to the daughter a bit, but focused on mom. mom likes me, so I’m good there, but wasn’t gonna push too much with… Read more »
though, to be fair on lone girl, also didn’t sexualize at all so i think if I had dropped a little light innuendo here that’d start the iois being more obvious, just of course me being the dude I have to go there first before she would…i think she was somewhat interested, I just never made much of a move so she didnt either.
Yeah The Macarena song was quite a hit when I was a kid, I still remember it. The lyrics are interesting from a RP perspective, many songs have that little twist I can better appreciate now. My problem with music goes back to my very childhood. I disliked it and thought dancing was silly and just pointless. With time I started appreciating some of it but mostly instrumental-only tunes or very specific tracks from different authors. Will try working on that self-amusement vibe. Looking back I think I have always projected a certain self-confidence (talking in public, interacting with peers,… Read more »
@Oscar: typical nerd stuff, yes.
But now you know it is NOT “just hanging out”, so there is stuff for your brain to entertain itself with. Even if you were just watching now you’d see stuff to analyse and learn from. But better than that… Game away!
@Oscar
There’s a saying that goes, “All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.”
Recreation can be earnest, but it sometimes should be playful and creative–even childlike.
There’s a warning in the Bible about being overly wise.
“Do not be excessively righteous and do not be overly wise. Why should you ruin yourself?”
Ecclesiastes 7:16 or thereabouts.
If we are always earnest, our system overloads with cortisol and it’s hard on the body. A little playful foolishness is good for our health and for socializing.
@palma Spot on, thanx. Field Report I went to a meetup and saw the couple from my last FR who are my friends…their greeting was ebullient…I sat down at an end of the first table–they were at the second…a young hottie I know was sitting in the chair on my right, but I didn’t notice her until she said hello. I was feeling overwhelmed by the ebullient greeting of my friends. I told her that I hadn’t realized that she was sitting next to me. I chatted with her and the guy sitting across from her for a few minutes,… Read more »
My dad used to tell me that you can be too smart for your own good.
All in life can’t be an intellectual exercise. That’s not life or living.
Imo, develop in such a way as to have the ability to enjoy a conversation with the ” slow ” guy at the bus stop, then the rocket scientist at the…. Wherever rocket scientists hang out
It’s a big world. Master all of it.
apparently I walk like a boxer. guy I work with boxes, saw me walking toward him. he asked if I lifted weights or fought. I said no, but I used to lift: more crunches and running and stuff like that though. he said I walked like conner mcgreggor. so that’s good i guess. yeah that lone chick from the other day definitely liked me. had another girl show up today at work, but she had a boyfiend and was much more reserved. so by contrast I can see the interest in the other girl, though it was faint. just gotta… Read more »
I’d appreciate if you guys could help me make sense of this FR. Last night went out with two friends, one my age married, obviously middle aged, the other 22, European, hardly any English. Hit a pub where I have had a chance to take home a girl every time I have gone there. Night starts quietly, look out for IOIs, make two approaches. Neither leads anywhere. Just when we’re about to bounce a bunch of girls I know who are shooter girls come in, off work. One comes straight up to me, gives me a hug. I know four… Read more »
@palma Were your other friends the couple you discussed earlier? you got it, buddy Very smart people sometimes have no social skills in which case they can’t hold down proper work so he may be skint and on top of that he may be crap in bed. he has social skills, but he’s way too deferential to her How old is she? about 30, I think Never attempt a close until all this stuff is opened up. yeah, the girl was facing the guy sitting across from her…her hands were crossed at the wrist in her lap…he was unattractive to… Read more »
“I’m also curious as to how you guys feel about banging 5s and 6s ”
The whole pua bang hottest girls i.e. 10s is just another insidious form of the FI pushing on you and ego buffering.
Bang girls you want to bang. Life is long if you are lucky or good… You may surprise yourself.
Blacker Pill “That said I have no idea what happened here. It seemed so random. Was I pinned as beta buck for a first time fuck, did they think I was alpha and set their sister up to lose her virtue to me? ” The latter. Focus on the game dynamics and less on your ego and self worth issues. Game analysis – you roll in with a crew… Social momentum off the bat. You’ve been here before, relaxed. You are known to a large group of betyer looking girls… Three kiss you… Preselection. You hold frame and pass a… Read more »
“but in practice this means building attraction with a lot of hot girls who are always in relationships, ” On this… You aren’t building enough attraction. You are building some attraction, but not a sufficient amount. Suspect some ego buffering in play. You get some attraction going and it feels good and it’s a nice safety valve to rationalize oh well but for her relationship. Back to basics though. You either go all in on evo-bio/psych and ruthless self assesment, or you flail in the purple pill purgatory of never really “getting it”. No half measures. Half measures breed half… Read more »
@Blacker Pill: for sure you were AF there, not BB. Not even close dude. BB doesn’t randomly get NSA/ONS sex like that. Are you even serious LOL. And the 8 seemed interested as well, but sometimes it is sisterhood over all, sometimes even over AF I guess… So the 8 passed up on you this time on behalf of the virgin… But maybe you can get the 8 next time. If she really is an 8 she can get NSA/ONS sex from AFs pretty much on demand. So even though it looked like she was DTF with you, she didn’t… Read more »
@sentient @IAS thanks, appreciate your insights. Btw when I say 6, she was a chubster at the exact borderline of what I find fuckable. She was young with a cute face which is why I managed to raise a semi and help her get her monkey off her back. I don’t understand what you mean by: ‘Back to basics though. You either go all in on evo-bio/psych and ruthless self assesment, or you flail in the purple pill purgatory of never really “getting it”.’ Is this wrt girls in relationships? My field experience is girls are quite loyal to their… Read more »
@Blacker Pill: that is to do with how girls are, and the current environment. If they can have a bf, even if it is a placeholder bf, they will probably have one. That is why so many of the hotties actually have one, because they can, and why not (particularly as they are consciously or subconsciously, open to better opportunities, so the “opportunity cost” doesn’t phase them much). Where you are going wrong is they aren’t quite “settling down”. They are still in the SMP. It is perfectly fine for most of them to branch swing (or even get some… Read more »
@Blacker Pill “I don’t understand what you mean by: ‘Back to basics though. You either go all in on evo-bio/psych and ruthless self assesment, or you flail in the purple pill purgatory of never really “getting it”.’” My interpretation is that you get through the energy defeating stages of denial, anger, bargaining and depression in regards to red pill and “going all in” means Accepting how things are. And then placing efforts on how to achieve a result, not why things aren’t happening. Stop asking why and start learning how. I’m not necessarily accusing you of doing that, just trying… Read more »
@Sentient: I just saw “Life Lessons” in New York Stories and I’m like “WTF is this this artist is acting full beta”. Then I kind of understood at the end, but still not sure. What a mind twist.
Unfortunately, pua’s have accidentally trained some men to virtually pedestalize the vaunted 8-10 chick. I don’t quite get holding to some kind of ratings system that can be so easily be skewed for the average guy with makeup, hairstyle/coloring and choice of clothing. Besides, my “9” might be your “7”. Lol, that shit’s crazy. How about guys just go bang chicks that they want to bang? No one else on the planet ever has anything to do with who you fuck, so everyone else’s personal opinion is just that. Frame, frame, frame. Frame is not just about sex and women.… Read more »
LOL there are only two kinds of chicks
The ones you’d bang
The ones you won’t and them bitches might as well not exist
@palma
I’d just get hold of her 1:1 next time you meet her in person
Do you mean isolate for a makeout (e.g., via a walk) or set up an instadate to get coffee or a beer?
This girl brought up her live-in bf not only with me but in response to another guy’s question…she’d need a lot of plausible deniability, I think. I could probably swing a time-pressure walk (“I only have a couple of minutes, but I want to invite you and a guest to a cookout.”)
just baptizing a new computer with RP mojo goodness… (first webpage ever visited on first browser launch…lol) still busy as f*k… and just to be a FR… (pay attention Culum!!!…lol… girls are where you find them…) as many times as I have done this… it STILL amazes me… since I was BP as f*k…lol… but I HAVE discounted the ‘me not worthy…’ in the overall idea (that took a while…), so it just amazes me, I don’t ‘not trust it as being true’… = just ‘look into a girl’s eyes steadily without embarrassment or shame’ (a little smirk doesn’t hurt…lol)… Read more »
@Sentient “I’m also curious as to how you guys feel about banging 5s and 6s ” The whole pua bang hottest girls i.e. 10s is just another insidious form of the FI pushing on you and ego buffering. Bang girls you want to bang. Life is long if you are lucky or good… You may surprise yourself. +1… the FI is cunning and pervasive… giving great advice!!! good luck! —— @SJF I personally noticed that my Game picked up tremendously a couple years ago (at about the time, coincidentally, that Sentient and HABD showed up on TRM) not ‘coincidentally’… we… Read more »
So much in your Field Report B. Pill “I’m also curious as to how you guys feel about banging 5s and 6s during dry spells.” The typical player worries about – opportunity costs – social status loss – game degradation (because most guys think that 9’s and 10’s are of truly different behavior) What you should worry about, but most guys don’t – how good her sex is, and how that can trap you/anesthetize you. Chick can make you see god with a good BJ, and suddenly you return her texts w/o waiting the customary 5 minutes. – how much… Read more »
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa6oD8BTmQM&w=1280&h=720%5D
…. 12 minutes.
Lol.
The fastest way to pull an 8 or 9 or 10 or 11 or whatever the fuck, is not to give one damn. I had a couple of friends who were dumbstruck by ” hawt ” bitches, and it wasn’t pretty because the chicks were fucking she-devils. Yet, every time anyone tried to get the guys to free themselves, the refrain was some form of ” .. but… LOOK AT HER. When YaReally was here ( come back soon Ya. we still got shit to hash out ), he used to constantly talk about ” social conditioning “. Constantly. But… Read more »
@blax Unfortunately, pua’s have accidentally trained some men to virtually pedestalize the vaunted 8-10 chick. I don’t quite get holding to some kind of ratings system that can be so easily be skewed for the average guy with makeup, hairstyle/coloring and choice of clothing. Besides, my “9” might be your “7”. Lol, that shit’s crazy. How about guys just go bang chicks that they want to bang? No one else on the planet ever has anything to do with who you fuck, so everyone else’s personal opinion is just that. i don’t think it was an accident. where they get… Read more »
doing great on making good connections with people. getting regulars from work to hook me up with free shit at restaurants and bringing me food and sauses and homebrew and such. one couple invited me to brew with them, and there’s another couple who not only brought me some homemade concoctions, but chatted with me about starting a business together — all very early, of course, just brainstorming stuff. but its something that a few years down the road might come to something. it would be an interesting experience either way, since the business would be setup in a foreign… Read more »
@palma Bear in mind that this is my social circle and therefore a “go slow” situation. I don’t think that she wants to blow up her living situation. Her bf is a nice accessory for her arm and likely is a fine roommate. So it’s a situation where discretion is required. I brought fine game…I demonstrated more value than anyone else at the event…I established preselection…I sexualized the convo appropriate to a social circle…I established A2…I’m not George Clooney…I didn’t have a plan for extraction or a followup…but that’s Ok because she’s in the role of chasing…right now the game… Read more »
Another cunning tactic of the female imperative – cutting you both ways. Pre-TRP I’ve had dates that didn’t pan out because of “lack of chemistry” which is catanese for “he didn’t escalate”. Was on a Day 2 recently that ended up being a double date w/ her friend and her online date. I was escalating kino throughout the date but was being discreet. That night my date relayed to me that her friend thought I was “handsy”. So if I don’t escalate enough I get flaked on, ghosted, dropped and when I do escalate I get attempts at shaming me.… Read more »
@theasdgamer
What do you want with this girl? The challenge? The chase?
Why not any other girl that’s not apart of your social circle and has better logistics?
IAS ” I just saw “Life Lessons” in New York Stories and I’m like “WTF is this this artist is acting full beta”. Then I kind of understood at the end, but still not sure. What a mind twist.” In NYS women are an essential part of The Lion’s creative process – in the firtherence of HIS goals and agenda to create exceptional art… Because he has to. Women are tools… Adjuncts… Accesories… Helpmeets… They are NOT his MPO. And so he rotates through them. Alpha is hewing to your MPO, to your course above all else… DPA always… It… Read more »
@Catchers
What do you want with this girl? The challenge? The chase?
Yes, and yes, and the combination of pretty, sweet, and smart is very attractive to me.
Why not any other girl that’s not apart of your social circle and has better logistics?
Yes, this, too.
@Catchers That night my date relayed to me that her friend thought I was “handsy”. Lol, I was handsy once with a girl who was on a date with a buddy in the first five minutes because she was being obnoxious and I decided that I’d make a game of being obnoxious back at her. I touched her once on her arm, shoulder, and thigh. She whined to my buddy that I should be careful doing that with girls because I might get slapped. At the end of the night, the girl was walking with me as I was holding… Read more »
@Catchers: about handsy, it is mostly a shit test, but also a hint that you probably should be (even) more subtle and discreet so the other people don’t notice while you kino your target, unless you are in isolation already. It is interesting that your target relays this through as someone else’s opinion – when I got that one recently (the e-mail saga girl which has a bf) it was directly the target giving it to me and reminding me of her bf and that I’m married. @Sentient: yeah I kind of got it and it is clear that he… Read more »
IAS perhaps the narrow confines of the script don’t address the AF/BB frame as such. Watch this again a year from now. The Lion is torn… Rendered by all these slights… But he retains his status as The Alpha via his art. The paper alpha from the party, the cocky guy who comes in post bang asking for coffee… That scene is telling and who is AMOGing who and who knows it… “You a graffiti artist?” What “it” is about is who has “it” – who is an artist who is a poser. He never gives Paulette the one thing… Read more »
“That night my date relayed to me that her friend thought I was “handsy”.”
This is what intrafemale competition looks like. Nothing to do with you except you weren’t escalating on both of them.
Women would rather share an Alpha…
@palma
There’s another factor, I’m married and would have to be discreet and so would any hypothetical partners. It’s another thing to filter for…I won’t do married women, but other girls are fair game, including those with bf’s.
@palma Thanks for playing. 🙂 You’re not making this easy It ain’t easy being greasy…which is why @Sentient only gets side pieces when he travels…I don’t travel much…and usually only with Mrs. Gamer The bloody obvious one is the one you refuse to touch, It’s not that I refuse to touch her, but that it would be damn awkward in my social circle if I did more than a little (and I did, on the shoulder, when I left her to go chat up the couple who are friends of mine)…and I’m sure she gets it…the obvious thing to do… Read more »
Any ideas for insuring yourself against a flake on a Day 3? Had an excellent Day 2 recently and she responded eagerly to my follow-up text. I had originally invited her over to my place for dinner mid-week but she has a conflict so asked what other day I’m available and we agree to meet then (a couple of days later). The new day is more convenient for a sleep over. If I’m consulting the “1000 girls” mindset I don’t care if she flakes and just go out dancing and pick up new girls, her loss. I’ve read elsewhere that… Read more »
@theasdgamer I’m married too. With a kid. I’ve been through different stages with this stuff. Blue Pill and beta whole my life. Found Alpha buddies in my mid thirties, ten years my junior, and realized there’s a world I didn’t know about. Looked for more, found PUA and TRM at the same time. Started to get more social, push my boundaries, game wife, unpussify my son. Great progress, but hit a plateau. Just like with the gym when you don’t look for new ways to optimize your initial workout, not to mention diet and life habits. Internalized Red Pill enough… Read more »
@Catchers
Any ideas for insuring yourself against a flake on a Day 3?
Double book so you won’t be needy. Backup plan. You’ll convey this in the way you text.
Thanks, IRL. I’m flirting with other girls and Mrs. Gamer is shit testing me about my other gfs and about smelling like girls when I come home after dancing, sometimes 1:30 a.m.
@All Just celebrated 36yrs with Boxy. Yesterday took her to a resort for a soak and massage,she can never last more than 20min in the pools while I like to move from hot to cold four or five reps. Boxy is out sunning waiting for masseuse and I am in the hot pool it’s busy but clears out to me and two middle age 6s,one i’ll call her red stands turns and puts her juglar to the cold inlet pipe to cool down and the water is running down her cleavage,and I tell her that is the fastest way to… Read more »
@stuffinbox From reading your FR it sounded like going into the interaction you were unsure of what you want. From my limited experience (and at the advice of this forum) I’ve found that you need to check-in with yourself to determine truly what you want. If you decided that you want sex with other women then this interaction had the potential to turn out differently. If your mind was already made up then at its conclusion there would be nothing to wonder about because you jumped through the window as it presented itself and you found out for yourself exactly… Read more »
@stuffinbox
not a lot of time to get into full blown advice/analysis…buuut…
now I think how to diffuse this situation?
why would you want to do that?… serious question…
good luck!
on his 36th anniversary outing and decided it wasn’t worth the risk to grab some on the sly; seems clear to me timing/logistics was the problem; others may see it as FI/buffering — and it very well may be that exact thing!!!
but I will give Box the benefit of the doubt on knowing his true mind and telling us his honest assessment
@CatchersIndifference “Don’t get stuck w/ one leg out of the window because it’ll only crush your nuts.” Considering the situ with boxy in bad health and her having no desire to improve her health in a positive direction. Best advice so far,should never have opened the set and just bide my time. @having a bad day “why would you want to do that?…” Good question,this fr reps a reoccuring theme for 23years now of loyalty in action,not in mind. I am totaly in the paying position with all the women in my life being family. Strange thing is the fi.… Read more »
@Everyone, e-mail saga update. Among the less interesting bits… She decided to send me a link to a video where she was in a group doing some exercise. Everyone (including her) is a bit away from the camera, but I could identify her. After a bit without me reacting to it she goes “what did you think of the video?” so I gave her some positive feedback to reward her for sending it to me. Also as an aside, my “length” has come up in a specific context in live chat, with her saying it was too small, so I… Read more »
“You don’t know me well in this respect, and you will never get to know what is my style”
We’ll see how you play your cards…
Then silence.
Then set a meet. Use her being afraid if you need to, basic reverse psychology.
– so you don’t have to dig back, it is basically what do the lessons comprise and won’t my wife mind). So she must be interested.
“Somebody is eager to be schooled…”
IAS
Just remember all this stuff needs to be used in build up to in person meeting.
Else you are just giving her tingles for her long distance BF to benefit from.
Spike… Set meeting. She defers. – you pull back. Then spike near a meeting window again. Rinse and repeat.
@IAS “After a bit without me reacting to it she goes “what did you think of the video?” so I gave her some positive feedback to reward her for sending it to me.” Nooooo lol. Don’t reward beta bait. Tease her https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/game-recognized-nuking-the-hamster-from-orbit/ “and I probably was too overeager and went “LOL, you’re good at this”…” yep lol… “I think if I keep dodging to answer it may eventually be a DLV but I also don’t want to fall into her frame, so I think “I will answer the questions if you ask them in person” (implicitly, I could “punish” her… Read more »
@IAS
Thanks for sharing the latest and great job on sexualizing / A&A on the baby carrot comments between the two of you. Take the advice Sentient has provided and stop trying to win the battles but focus on the war.
“… what are the lessons comprised of?” – I’d respond with:
“Only one way to find out, my next lesson is on x day at x time”
Right now she’s purely using you from long distance.
FR
Had just finished a work-out and was heading to breakfast w/ my friend. We sit down at the counter and some AFC “cool guy” is finishing a conversation with two HB7 waitresses.
I tune in a bit as we wait for service and he tells them both, “You all are weird…” to which both girls give IOD as they walk away to continue doing their jobs. He panics and leaves his seat to follow them as they walk away and I hear him say, “No, I’m weird too that’s why this is so great…”
LOL
@stuffinbox dr zipper on his 36th anniversary outing and decided it wasn’t worth the risk to grab some on the sly; seems clear to me timing/logistics was the problem; others may see it as FI/buffering — and it very well may be that exact thing!!! but I will give Box the benefit of the doubt on knowing his true mind and telling us his honest assessment ‘true mind’ = FI pushing on him… same with his ‘honest assessment’… this concept is the FI pushing on both of you… just bc you can massively spike attraction in some girl doesn’t mean… Read more »
@j: on spotting fishing for compliments/flattery, she did a classic one very early on when she sent me the pic I took of her and I straight called her out on it so she has been mostly avoiding it since then. I didn’t “reward” her by saying “Oh you are so pretty”. It was more like “I see there were some people with good taste wearing [my fave colour which she knows already]” (one of them was her) and she just went ” 🙂 ” and I gave her a ” 🙂 ” too. Still validating I guess. But I… Read more »
@IAS “if I didn’t validate her she may feel compelled to try harder to get the validation.” Precisely. Quote from the YaReally archives about Snapchat and validation: “I have a girl HOUNDING me to get Snapchat and follow her and become just another orbiter. She has the best of intentions, she posts funny stuff and sexy pics etc and thinks she’s giving me value by me getting to see that stuff. And she’s biologically hardwired to try to make me an orbiter to test my frame (beta’ization basically). But she doesn’t understand that the more of that I do, the… Read more »
habd – sure, if the goal is to use the opportunity to gin his wife up… that’s a good way to use the situation to his advantage and your advice is right on; but tell me, does your comment reflect your own ‘true mind’ and ‘honest assessment’ of Box’s comment? if so, must you also be under some sort of undue influence? not trying to be obtuse/dick here, but that shit has to apply to you as well because we’re all under scrutiny here; and seriously, thanks for keeping ‘us’ honest about our own internal dialogs, I *do* fully acknowledge… Read more »
@Habd Thanks man you are totally right, no fn reason to kill it,shoulda just escalated with the humor and had a fun time. Could’ve tried out some game on Red and saw how far I could take it,like a practice girl,instead of burning it down cuz the wifey wouldn’t like this. DOH! face palm! Boxy at 60 is burnt on dread game,but she will never beat abundance mentality. As her copd worsens and her smoking continues her smv drops while I keep lifting and stay fit mine seems to be going up it may be the hypergamy is escalating with… Read more »
@Dr zipper
Thanks for the backup man,really habd is right I didn’t have to bang her,it would have been fun sure,but so would have light hearted banter and I realy don’t need to get in the habit of saying shit that turns them off. Burning her desire down and throwing it away was a bad choice I gota stop that shit!
box & habd – lol, and there you go… shoulda used her for practice
I had a FR a day or two ago in which I did that very thing, was prolly never gonna fuck this chick but had a golden opportunity to push my boundaries and leave the comfort zone, literally channeling my in-head Sentient/TRM crew
wonderful results, in-field test was a success
@stuffinbox You don’t owe these women anything my man! The possibilities are endless with a scenario like you had with “Red”. It’s up to you to decide what you want and then act with that intention in mind. Perhaps “Red” was just looking for some companionship at the spa for a bit, perhaps she was looking for something more. I had an FR not too long ago where a girl was giving me very strong eye contact and I was sure that she wanted more. I gave her a dance, chatted her up briefly, then asked her on an insta-date… Read more »