Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

15,703 comments on “Field Reports

  1. ^^^ honestly why are you letting this guy live free in your head.

    Fuck him.

    You proceed as usual…

  2. IAS

    So you’ve fucked 50% of the bangable girls yet feel insecure about Mr T.

    K

    You’re killing me… But I get it. Remember cats are not dogs. We are programmed to read physical cues as threats. Plains of Ur.

    The real threat is the guy who makes the biggest emotional impact. And here is where I think you are maybe going too secret in the society.

    All these other girls don’t know you are banging the others. So you are losing some of that preselection and that reputation. They are still able to treat you as a one off.

    As an aside… So you see that despite what girls say what they do is very different. Only the aggressive 5/6 girl makes any kind of overt move on T. The better looking girls won’t. They will stay proximite and hope hope hope he “just gets it”. And the longer he is hanging around an NOT getting it the more he is DLVing.

    Soon they will be asking if he is gay. Cause it can’t be them. The other thing to keep in mind is if T is Hawt and has Game he probably has hotter younger tighter on lock and is simply uninterested in an average bang… Very common with guys like that, the real top. Very different reference experience and motivation.

    Think of Leo DiCaprio being in your group. He will be easy and charming and all the girls will want him but he is likely sleeping alone and sexting super models…

    The other thought I have for you… Get a bigger tent!

  3. Update, another attempt with N=5. The early FRs were just reposted if anyone wants to recap, but the short version is we banged in two different days in March, then haven’t banged, I proposed she come over and she explicitly said it wasn’t for sex (there was the funny exchange about her looking fat). She came over and we didn’t bang.

    This time she reached out to me and proposed she cook. I agreed and so it is. She didn’t mention it wasn’t for sex (which was encouraging). I ended up cooking some meat and she makes a fancy side. Eat. I then initiate a massage on her shoulders and get then get her to sit on my lap (which she does), then she shit tests about it and I say “Ok lets move to the couch”. In the couch we have a bit more space but I get her legs on top of my lap and I can rub her thighs (no opposition). I eye contact her and she goes “you can’t just stare at me until I kiss you…” and I smile and go in for the kiss. She turns the cheek and rejects and goes “Really that is enough”. Maybe this is where I dropped it but certain things I just don’t push past. So I didn’t try another kiss close and that is it. She is still on top of me with me rubbing her thighs, touching her shoulder, intimate kind of touch. She says she is in a confused situation and trying to figure some things out. I shrug. At some stage I moved her top and tights out of the way and kiss her belly, she started to object that she was fat but I went for it anyway.

    Anyway while in this position (in couch, legs on my lap), she goes “Remember when we talked about who else you were banging? I think I know who it is”. Well obviously from the camping trip her guess is going to be N=3. She beats around the bush a bit saying “It is fine because if it is who I think it is I like her” Eventually she goes “It is N=3 isn’t it” and I grin broadly. She pushes a bit for me to confirm but I don’t, I go “Why don’t you ask her”. Then she goes “You went to the river with her” (she was referring to the bit in the camping FR when I did isolate N=3 for a bit in the morning after the tent sleepovers). I intentionally misunderstand and doing so remind her that on the day before that I went to isolation with Target I and she goes “OMG you didn’t with Target I??” And I smile again. She goes on a bit about Target I’s gorgeous boobs and I go “Yeah you girls were just loving it – the boys were like meh and you girls were all ogling her like this 0_0 “. She goes they are great boobs and I’m like “I’ve seen them before”. Then she goes “You haven’t banged her, you just want me to think that…” and I’m like “Yes absolutely I’m loving this conversation… In fact I was a virgin before you, can’t you see from how inexperienced I am in bed”. She goes on about me being a manwhore and “having a girl in every port” and I go “I just like fucking”.

    Then she is like “You and N=3 would be such a nice couple” and “She is intelligent bla bla” “Why don’t you date her?”. And I’m like Shrug and then go “I don’t want to have a girlfriend…”. Stuff like that.

    At some stage she mentioned that she had some drama recently… In the follow up for the camping trip she stayed a few more days in another city, and someone she had been dating (I didn’t even know she had been dating since me) was also there, but his ex (not her) was also there and she suggested meeting up and he couldn’t so of course in her head the guy was with his ex (and maybe he was).

    So to summarise she proposed to come over, it suited my interests as it gave me another chance in isolation to try to bang her again. I made my move and she put up some rejections and certain rejections I don’t push past. She got some validation as she confirmed I was interested and also annoyed me a bit more with the talk about wanting to know who else I was banging.

    Regarding “Secret society”, she guessed correctly I had banged / am banging N=3, I didn’t confirm.

  4. @IAS

    “She says she is in a confused situation and trying to figure some things out.”

    You’re not playing her game, she’s trying to stuff you in the exclusive boooooyfriend / provider box..

    She’s given up the V twice but it didn’t work, bc she hasn’t got the exclusivity she “wanted” so now her only option is to pull back the v so she’s pulled it back – (very early doors but a long soft next for exclusivity) black dragon:

    https://blackdragonblog.com/2016/11/21/women-leave-return-several-lsnfte-case-studies/?r_done=1

    She’s pulled back so hard after only two bangs bc she’s epiphany phase and running out of time.. tell me I’m wrong..

    Unf. It also means your not in the AF box.

    Not sure how to change that, but if can def be done. Think “cocky arsehole”

  5. By the way I think you might have blown secret society by giving away that you were banging N3.

  6. “a gentleman doesn’t kiss and tell”

    And chaaaàaaaaaaaaange the subject. Otherwise you are still in her frame answering her guesses.

  7. IAS
    How do I know this? Because both N=3 and N=5 (separately) insisted on telling me all about it (ugh).

    Did you laugh? If you did not laugh, why not? This stuff happens pretty frequently, it’s not your concern.
    You’re not their girlfriend. You’re not their gay friend. You don’t owe them any kind of explanation about the SES or the SMV.

    Just be amused by their high school antics.

    Sentient
    ===> going by the book he should be treated like an ugly girl.

    Lol, exactly.

  8. @Palma: I wouldn’t say I gave it away that I was banging N=3.

    She was wondering whether I was banging anyone from the social circle since March, and this is because she saw me return from isolation with N=3. I actually did go for the walk also with the MILF before N=3 woke up. Then N=3 woke up so I went for a walk with N=3. There was nothing else to do in the morning while everyone else is sleeping so it isn’t that suspicious if she wants to think about it.

    Then she went that bit “Oh you didn’t bang (target I) you just want me to think so” bit… And later on the convo she was like “You should invite her to your place and make a move” and I was “Oh, you think she likes me?” grinning. She isn’t sure, she was just suspecting, and even if she becomes sure (I bet she will be paying more attention now) I wouldn’t say I gave it away.

    I agree I’m not in the AF box (if I even was before – I mean “no oral, that’s for bfs” or any other rules are strong indicators that the desire isn’t all the way there).

    @Sentient: I wasn’t that abrupt and fast but I did manage to change the subject. Anyway this time she wasn’t annoying like last time.
    You were saying I was maybe too secret on the secret society – but (assuming I didn’t “give it away” as I think I didn’t) this still seems the correct way to do it. If they want they can talk it out between them, and suspect whatever they want to suspect.

    @Anon: Thanks, it is not that I don’t know, but I was being honest with myself (and with the FR section here) and if something bothers me I’ll own up to it, even if the correct move is not to let it bother me. I’m not a big fan of the girls ganging up on the non-target badmouthing her behind her back (high school antics, indeed).
    In that particular case I did laugh at it, in particular when N=3 was telling me about it, because she went “He handled it well” (he really didn’t).

  9. IAS

    I think you did confirm banging N3 in this part

    Then she is like “You and N=3 would be such a nice couple” and “She is intelligent bla bla” “Why don’t you date her?”. And I’m like Shrug and then go “I don’t want to have a girlfriend…”. Stuff like that.

    I suspect N5 will say something to N3 like “IAS said you where having sex?”
    As if you said it. Or “I hear you are banging IAS” maybe with a “it’s OK I am not anymore” depending upon the power dynamic between them.

    The secret society dynamic is THEY can know you are banging all of them, are a good bang, etc. But it isn’t YOU that tells them. They work it out themselves…

    N3 ” OMG IAS is so hot. Such a great fuck…”
    N5 ” lol. I know right! That thing he does with his tongue… Girlllllll!”
    Target ” wait what?!!! Tell me!”

    So each will know you are discreet and it’s just you being you. And next thing you know a new girl is wanting to share your tent.

    So I expect some drama from this situation. Could be wrong but that is my bet.

    With N5 on the couch you had two choices… Dominate her

    “Girl stop fucking around (hand on face turn her to you.. make out)”

    Or

    Complete roll off… Stop rubbing her while she is going through her Inquisition… Move away. Fiddle with something and express your displeasure, not in a but hurt way, but as a dissapointment. She has disappointed you.

    “Really N5… This talk is unattractive.”

    GGR analysis says ” they don’t come on the lot lest they want to buy”

    And boiler room analysis says ” every sale someone is closing, it’s you or the other person”

    Here she closed you… Palma is spot on. She is playing the pussy card, holding it back for a commitment.

    Incidentally all her talk of “you and N3 make a good couple you should date” is just her projection and running her traps for an angle to put you in her BF slot”…

    What grown ass women comes round a guy’s house she’s already fucked and holds out? One that is flexing some power and trying to get something from you. The C Card.

    If I were you, definitely pare back contact in a non butt hurt way and definitely amp up jealousy plots in front of her with the most attractive girls…

    Don’t chase her.

  10. @Sentient:
    Thanks for the clarification. I didn’t see it that way at all, but maybe Palma and you did and I could be wrong.

    My “Why don’t you date her” reply isn’t confirmation as far as I see it. It was a more general thing like “I don’t want a gf at all” (see below) and to me it seemed clear N=5 was still unsure either way. N=5 probably does want drama but I suspect N=3 won’t play into it. I did explicitly tell N=5 “Why don’t you ask N=3” at the start of that bit of the convo, and I’m fine if she does go and ask N=3.

    Good analysis on the couch, and I legitimately remembered those FRs from Palma with his buddy’s hot wife trying to set Palma up with another friend, so I did spot in real time that the “Why don’t you date N=3” thing could simply be her saying “Why don’t you date me” and responded accordingly.
    I was also aware that she got the “free” validation of me confirming I wanted to bang her still (it was going to be win-win for her basically) but if I wanted to bang I had to make the move myself so there is no avoiding that, but I didn’t need to continue validating her after making my move and getting rejected.
    The roll-off would be the correct move, thanks. I’ll avoid chasing and see if I get instead N=6, whoever the lucky girls ends up being.

    Learning experiences, I’ll report back if it develops.

    1. IAS

      In Catonese “Dating” comes after “fucking”… which you already grinned broadly at… 😉

    1. Could be a strong, independent woman. Or could be the car title and insurance is in her name. Maybe too many points on his license? He doesn’t like to drive?

      Or…it’s a standard transmission? Lots of men can’t drive a stick nowadays.

      lol anyway.

  11. @Sentient

    I’ve been reading @CH on game and its mostly as expected but there’s the odd line where you think “OH DAMN.. THATS where I’ve been flunking it”

    In my case as you know I’ve been hitting much younger women. I’ve been flirting and I’ve got the IOI’s flowing, but time after time I’ve been flunking it when I’ve upped the anti with my “cocky arsehole” approach. The overt public flirt has been frying their hamster and I’ve been sat there scratching my head thinking “damn, I got 6 IOI’s and she’s just blown out”.

    Then I read P 65:

    “You can bang on 18 to 21-year-old surprisingly quickly because I have little ASD.

    Caveat to the above: although you can get the bag with the 18 to 21-year-old very quickly you should not prime the path to banging with obvious signs of physical escalation. There is a high risk was very young women the escalating kino will be perceived as “Percy” or “creepy”. This means no PDA no innocent touching of her erogenous zones and no raunchy sex talk. You want to keep it superficial friendship until she’s in your place. Then you should escalate rapidly you’d be amazed How fast the young woman sheds her clothes when the bang is in site.”

    As usual I’m turbocharging A, when I need to back off and get plausible deniability so I can concentrate on isolation somewhere where it’s just her and me, and work a bit of C…, then hit it.

  12. Palma

    Then you should escalate rapidly

    Cavemanning works. They have no defense to feels at that age, which is why the cock carousel spins.

    I have an 18 yo in sight that is totally up for it. Just feels too young for whatever reason. Iean half of these girls have had NO dad living with them. The other half, 25% zero masculinity.

    It’s really wild how much just a hard masculine vibe and a willingness to check their bullshit and challenge them works on the modern girl.

    I’ve been laying low with corono no travel. And a couple of ” entanglements” from last winter kinda sorta raising up in the back yard. Both situations girls have been asking around about me such that it’s gotten back to me. Which of course is their goal. But it’s ruled them out for bad behavior.

    Any how.. back to checking them. So maybe two weeks ago a sweet little toned honey walked past me as I was having a coffee outside a shop. She was carrying two small weights. Like 1 lb. So a laughed at her and said something about the weights being ridiculous.

    And she turned toe and said “my bigger weights are home” with full eye contact.

    And I held her gaze and smirked and said “yeah yeah that’s what they all say” with full eye contact. And held. And I could see how she wasn’t prepared to process that. She went in and say inside and had her coffee and I left.

    A week later she comes by again and passese from my blind side and mentions something about her weights. And I was like yeah yeah whatever. And she got her coffee and split.

    Today I see her at another coffee place. Now she is dressed not in workout clothes come past me and asks if they need masks here. I tell her yeah they will give you one and some joking around that situation and she gets two coffees and comes out and comes over to my table and engages me.

    She introduced herself and asks my name. I hold out my hand and she takes it and I hold it too long with dire t eye contact. We banter some and get into a 20 minute convo. Lots of me taking the piss. Basic stuff.

    Ten minutes in she mentions her boyfriend for the first time (two coffees) and I ignore that. She asks about my situation and I ignore that. We start talking about her new place (just moved in) and I say there is a bar over there she should try. She also if I go there and I say sometimes.

    So about 15 minutes in she says she should be getting back with the coffee for her boyfriend. Which I ignore again. Then she gets really really specific with when I am at each of the shops, which days, what time… Probably because I didn’t ask for her number. Now I had until now resolved to just not get into any more in town situations…

    So she says she will see me around and looks forward to it. I say yeah it be nice seeing you again with a full laser. And she slinks off.

    I half toyed with idea of cruising by and having her hop in my car. Needed a day to reflect on the recent situations.

    Maybe 30. Tight body. 5’5 110.

    TLDR – they are desperate for some real cock and being put in their place.

    So we will see. She’s hot enough. I will spend more time qualifying her for discretion.

    Did Mention Corona shutting down almost all the bar life sucks?

    1. @Sentient

      So the beach has opened here and the bars still suck for the best part. You get allocated your table in most and can’t “mingle”. Plus seating capacity means they’re only 10% full. You have to follow the one way system which I forget to do and get in arguments with door staff So useless.

      Yesterday I’m walking into town bc I’ve had 6 guys in my air Bnb and they’ve broken the front door lock coming in pissed and I have to replace. I’m not even carrying tool bag, just 2x screwdrivers and 2x sets pliers in one hand. I replace lock and decide to wander to one of my favourite bars (upmarket) where I usually get food but just get espresso today, possibly glass of wine.

      Get met at door by girl I’ve been working on. She’s happy chatty, and place is mostly empty but she has to go ask permission “if I can just get coffee” bc that’s usually a no, but ima regular.

      I’ve been kicking this one round for months. Shes about 24, slim about a 7 and always greets, flicks hair, smiles, looks down. Last time she was in green eye shadow and I’m “hey when did you turn into a parrot, is that even legal”, she’s like “I’m not a parrot”, I’m “don’t talk shit, of course you are and I make a squawk noise” it goes on in that vein.

      Yesterday she leads me to the bar, I dump tools on bar unceremoniously and she’s asking me if I want my usual desert wine and chocolate desert, and I’m “no, I’ll get fat and it’ll be your fault. I’ll have a single espresso, and a sparkling mineral water. But some sugar please”

      She goes and gets sparkling water on first pass, then goes back and gets espresso. I’m like “where’s the sugar” and she turns cup round and there’s one cube hiding other side of it that I didn’t see. (European single espresso is miniature. One lump is all you can get in the cup) So I give her shit about only one cube. She fights back on that “how many cubes do you want in a single espresso.. ?“ and says it in a joking way that implies I’m a fucking peasant for even wanting such a thing – but laughing and eye contact.

      I’m “yer you’re right, I’ll get fat and it will be your fault” she’s like “you’re not fat” and is touching my leg now and leaning in laughing.

      So I’m sitting at this bar with my hairy arse tools and she’s leaning in touching my leg and asking how I’ve been, how is lockdown etc.. I’m making full eye contact, she’s smiling and looking up at me. She’s going on her holiday to Croatia shortly and we talk a lot about that bc it’s beautiful and I sailed there from Mallorca. The trip took a month round the south of Sicily, and We bar hopped port to port but it was 24/7 sailing taking 3 shifts on deck. Six of us. 3x pairs that rotated. Two pairs sleeping and the other pair strapped on with life lines. It was quite hardcore bc were cooking it at 7 knots for the bulk of the trip and on diesel when we had no wind bc some of the guys were on a deadline to get back to their overbearing shrew wives.

      She’s all over this. Hanging on every word. Hair is going behind the ear now constantly. But she doesn’t finish until 11pm and by then it’s tumbleweed on the streets and nowhere to go and I’ve got a total bloody mind blank for plausible deniability. Plus I’ve made the decision not to number close with young women, just straight escalate..

      So I’ve got a mental block on that.. any ideas?

      On a different note another (single) commenter here has moved to my town so I’m hoping for a more clinical diagnosis which will put me under a bit of pressure going forward. I won’t out him but he’ll probably out himself

      1. Palma

        So I’ve got a mental block on that.. any ideas?

        “Yeah it was quite a trip. Come round after work I’ll show you the pictures. Amazing.”

        1. Yeah ok but would involve a time bridge.

          Even if a a specific arrangement was made it would be a Phone number close and a “cooling off period” where she gets to say where she’s going to the “board of directors” at work and they put in their opinion.

          I had hoped for the straight escalation without those potential pitfalls.

    2. @Sentient

      “I have an 18 yo in sight that is totally up for it.”

      I had one of those about a decade ago and my female MD at the time said “don’t do it, she’ll fall in love with you”. Everything else aside and apart from the fact I should have done it, it might be a bit close to home for that. Some waif on your doorstep weeping and wailing.

      “And a couple of ” entanglements” from last winter kinda sorta raising up in the back yard. Both situations girls have been asking around about me such that it’s gotten back to me. Which of course is their goal. But it’s ruled them out for bad behavior.”

      Most of my exes have raised their heads. Plates that I used to bang before I moved that have boyfriends. They’re pinging their Rolodex for Alpha stability bc they’re at sea in a storm with no anchor / uncertain times / useless weak arsed boyfriends.

      Hit the 30 yo toned honey though.

  13. Interesting

    Ran into an acquaintance today. He looked a bit haggard.

    Great guy. 6″, trim, athletic, fun, former frat guy, now successful money manager. 34 or so.

    Has two kids under 4. A house in a great spot. His wife is a solid 7.5… great face. Great body, bounced back quick after the kids.

    I ask him if he has corona. He says no other stuff and eventually spills he isn’t living at home and they are splitting up.

    Don’t get into details with him, but looking back…

    Always caught a little glint in her eye. Was 50/50 over the years wether it was just me thinking she’s hot or if it was really there. Without knowing more… Survey says she strayed.

    He’s pretty broke up. Fifth divorce in the time of corona amongst peeps I know.

  14. I’ve been listening to Kevin Samuels on Youtube – completely red-pilled black image-consultant who tells it pretty raw. Pretty entertaining. I listen to him mostly because of my interests in black girls but don’t think his content is completely black-specific and can be useful to all. I see a lot of what he says is pretty spot-on.

    I listen to him at 1.5 speed…

  15. @Sentient / HABD

    So riddle me this.

    Part posted at WIA

    I’m seeing plate and banging her 3-4 times a week for last 2-3 months. She shows up and we get it on then we either get wine at pub or she leaves / goes home.

    We do all the usual games – domination / rough sex etc.. the rougher the better she likes it. All good.

    Last night she shows and we hit the sack, clothes off and on bed but she’s fighting hard back physically and isn’t letting me progress. Fighting back, clamping legs together biting etc.. and I’m pushing, she’s withdrawing but she’s loving it. Problem is I’m not enjoying it and I think it’s a shit test bc she wants me to desire her / beg for sex / whatever. She’s withholding sex. Making me “work” for it.

    I never do that, and I never “push through LMR” and it’s a wood kill so I do what I always do and say “no problem if you’re not feeling it, well head out and eat (planned anyway).

    I cease and desist and get dressed and she’s like totally taken aback and says “really?” And I say “yeah. We can skip it and go eat.” I think it’s a shit test to get me in her frame qualifying for sex.

    So I book the Uber to the restaurant which arrives in 3 minutes and the trip to the restaurant is another 4 minutes. She’s groping me in the Uber and I’m pushing her hand away – “you had your chance and you blew it” type thing.

    Get to restaurant and have great meal at bar and literally two glasses of wine. She wants to walk home basically to wake me up bc exhausted after staring at 6 bc she wants sex but I’m “nah” and I book an Uber which arrives and we get in that. Come home and go straight to bed & fall asleep.

    I wake at 3 – not unusual but go back to sleep again and she’s jumping my morning wood while I’m still asleep and we get it on.

    Later before she goes she says “you were an arsehole last night, next time I want to be raped try harder”

    I ignored.

    The riddle is this, not that she totally wants to be desired enough that I just “have to have her”, ie.. “rape” her but, which I understand is part of her desire and fantasy but:

    why has the whole episode left me completely and utterly cold towards her. I mean it’s a NADA. I’ve lost total interest. It’s gone, I have no interest in “that” role play whatsoever. The idea is not only a wood kill but has squashed all attraction I had for her?

    Is it just as simple as I like dominating but that means they are literally begging me for sex or submitting to me and I’ve never desired or had to “take” what I want in that way?

    1. Palma

      why has the whole episode left me completely and utterly cold towards her. I mean it’s a NADA. I’ve lost total interest. It’s gone, I have no interest in “that” role play whatsoever.

      Quite simple really. She’s just trying to “top from the bottom” and it hits a nerve with you.

      If you went ahead the sex – the rough “dominant” sex – would all still be in HER frame.

      You like to dominate, not be told to dominate. It’s going to be hard to work that into her rape fantasy.

      One angle is try and really break her down further until she is totally physically and psychologically in your frame. – crawling to you, hands and knees begging, bringing other girls for you. Get deep to that place then maybe work in a rough fantasy where you surprise her someplace. At least then you know she is submitting fully when you grant her the role play.

      1. I think she’s pretty much totally in my frame and looking at it with your analysis this was a last hurrah for her self defence mechanism trying to retain some hand.

        Basically she’s fallen in with feelz and is just gonna totally submit and she’s scared of it.

        Quite easily handled really, is she pushes back again I’ll throw her out. And tell her if she’s good enough she might – just might get her girlie fantasy. When I decide.

        Then I’ll go to the pub.

        Thanks

    2. @PalmaSailor

      @Sentient / HABD

      So riddle me this.

      Part posted at WIA

      I’m seeing plate and banging her 3-4 times a week for last 2-3 months. She shows up and we get it on then we either get wine at pub or she leaves / goes home.

      We do all the usual games – domination / rough sex etc.. the rougher the better she likes it. All good.

      Last night she shows and we hit the sack, clothes off and on bed but she’s fighting hard back physically and isn’t letting me progress. Fighting back, clamping legs together biting etc.. and I’m pushing, she’s withdrawing but she’s loving it. Problem is I’m not enjoying it and I think it’s a shit test bc she wants me to desire her / beg for sex / whatever. She’s withholding sex. Making me “work” for it.

      I never do that, and I never “push through LMR” and it’s a wood kill so I do what I always do and say “no problem if you’re not feeling it, well head out and eat (planned anyway).

      I cease and desist and get dressed and she’s like totally taken aback and says “really?” And I say “yeah. We can skip it and go eat.” I think it’s a shit test to get me in her frame qualifying for sex.

      So I book the Uber to the restaurant which arrives in 3 minutes and the trip to the restaurant is another 4 minutes. She’s groping me in the Uber and I’m pushing her hand away – “you had your chance and you blew it” type thing.

      Get to restaurant and have great meal at bar and literally two glasses of wine. She wants to walk home basically to wake me up bc exhausted after staring at 6 bc she wants sex but I’m “nah” and I book an Uber which arrives and we get in that. Come home and go straight to bed & fall asleep.

      I wake at 3 – not unusual but go back to sleep again and she’s jumping my morning wood while I’m still asleep and we get it on.

      Later before she goes she says “you were an arsehole last night, next time I want to be raped try harder”

      I ignored.

      The riddle is this, not that she totally wants to be desired enough that I just “have to have her”, ie.. “rape” her but, which I understand is part of her desire and fantasy but:

      why has the whole episode left me completely and utterly cold towards her. I mean it’s a NADA. I’ve lost total interest. It’s gone, I have no interest in “that” role play whatsoever. The idea is not only a wood kill but has squashed all attraction I had for her?

      Is it just as simple as I like dominating but that means they are literally begging me for sex or submitting to me and I’ve never desired or had to “take” what I want in that way?

      +1 for @Sentient…

      it IS really simple…

      ‘rape’ is the opposite of ‘desire sex’ (arousal sex)… the two are mutually exclusive… it is even less than BB sex… ie transactional (attraction sex)… bc not only does she not really want it, but she doesn’t want it soooo much that she fights you to get off… and not in a good way…lol

      ‘dominance’ is the ultimate ‘desire sex’… bc the girl is staying in the interaction in spite of the ‘abuse’… and it is obvious that she wants to be there…

      good luck!

      1. So now I am confused… she was trying to induce something she didn’t actually want, or using that to induce what she did actually want?

        Either way, I thought it was the right move to shut it down at the time and not give her either type of sex.

        She was angry as fuck with the morning sex

        1. @PalmaSailor

          i had the feeling i should have explained better…lol… the ‘not really want it’ meant that from your POV a rape fantasy appears as she doesn’t want any sex at all… and will fight you to avoid that happening… = the opposite of desire sex…

          So now I am confused… she was trying to induce something she didn’t actually want, or using that to induce what she did actually want?

          SHE is doing what she does based on her feelings… ie unconsciously… and is trying to solve a problem… sooo, when she gets the feelz and tries to get you into that BB box, she is going to try for a frame grab… based on the parameters of her particular situ/interaction… and in this particular situ she went with the ‘rape fantasy’…

          YOU on the other hand were in your own frame and the whole ‘rape’ thing triggered your ‘no desire sex = GTFO’ button…

          Either way, I thought it was the right move to shut it down at the time and not give her either type of sex.

          it was…

          She was angry as fuck with the morning sex

          and THAT was her emotions trying to solve a problem too…lol

          good luck!

          1. @HABD

            ‘not really want it’ meant that from your POV a rape fantasy appears as she doesn’t want any sex at all… and will fight you to avoid that happening… = the opposite of desire sex…

            Well.. I knew she wanted sex BUT the thing is that I only have sex on my terms. If they try to dominate or call shots I shut down. Standard saying is “my bedroom my rules”; but it’s actually any bedroom my rules.

            Since I’ve understood the difference between desire sex and transactional sex I lose wood if I sense a transaction, and it’s irreversible.

            So the TL;DR is she’s catching feels and feeling the loss of power when she submits to desire sex, which is what she does, and so is trying to get some “hand” by getting “control” of the interaction. Lay down rules, do this to get sex.

            In the meantime it’s beer o’clock here and I’m a bilda at the moment.

            So I’m sitting outside the bar and bought a beer and abag of crisps, there’s a woman next to me and she’s seen my bag of crisps. She’s with 2 white knight chumps, she says “can I have a crisp, it’s for my dog”

            I say “no”

            She rambles some shit, “she can’t afford her own” and I ignore.

            Her and the chumps are astonished. They shit test everywhere in every direction don’t they. Frantically pinging for a hard boundary. Everyone else in the pub would have folded and given her a crisp.

            https://i.imgur.com/nZzuZTa.jpg

          2. Palma

            give me a crisp > hold my bag > buy me a drink > eat my pussy > rape me…

            Just a progression right? lolz

          3. @PalmaSailor

            So I’m sitting outside the bar and bought a beer and abag of crisps, there’s a woman next to me and she’s seen my bag of crisps. She’s with 2 white knight chumps, she says “can I have a crisp, it’s for my dog”

            I say “no”

            She rambles some shit, “she can’t afford her own” and I ignore.

            Her and the chumps are astonished. They shit test everywhere in every direction don’t they. Frantically pinging for a hard boundary.

            can you think of a better way for a girl to ping for AF (or BB provisioning for that matter…lol) in an atomized, anonymous, non-tribal society?… and if you pay attention, you can spot the ‘ping window’ as the ‘no’ hits…lol…

            Everyone else in the pub would have folded and given her a crisp.

            aaand… back to pinging for AF…lol

            good luck!

  16. Update: N=3 was all confused and wanting some space. On part 1 of that particular talk I still grabbed her hand took her to bedroom, banged her and it was very good (probably increasing her confusion).
    The next day after that we get to part 2 because she hadn’t said all she wanted and basically wound up asking about exclusivity. I could see where this was going and I go like “mine or yours” and she was super hesitant in replying. After a bit of “help” from me, she does go “mine” and eventually winds up admitting she is attracted to Mr. T.
    I told her I already knew (and she knows I knew) and that attraction is not a choice. Not sure I managed to come out of this with an overall DHV and not sure it will matter down the line. She is going for some holidays with family and will think about it. We fucked recently, our recent fucks have been quite good and the most recent one was already after the first part of this “wanting some space” as above.

    I knew she was attracted but it is clear she is not just attracted but is now explicitly thinking of fucking him, and her thinking of fucking him is probably recent and triggered by the camping trip.
    I don’t like it as you very well know. I’d like to “claim” her as Sentient would say but I’m not sure how to do that or if I am able to do that (and stay myself openly non-exclusive).

    In the short term during the holidays I just have to give her the space in any case but I’m not happy with this at all. I’m happy at least I saw it coming a mile away, that helped.
    Of course I need to go try to bang new ones (I’ll see if I can seduce some target over the weekend), but I have been regularly banging N=3 for about a year now, the sex has been the best I’ve had and it was very convenient particularly during lockdown.

    You may say it is a self-fulfilling prophecy and that it was in my head causing me to misgame somewhere for this to happen (which is probably true, I know some points where I messed up), but dude is better at the particular hobby than me, physically very strong and shows it as part of the hobby… I may or may not have more game and he may not even want to bang her. I’m still not particularly thrilled if the only reason N=3 doesn’t get banged by him is because he didn’t want to, she is thinking about it.

    Also not sure if I can stay FWB if I do suspect they banged or are banging :/ I don’t want the polyamory BS where she is getting serviced by two guys and I don’t want M-M-F 3-somes.

    N=5 is probably on the same track or further down the line and I don’t care that much anyway.

    N=2 is in my country due to COVID and remote working, and will start new work soon in a nearby country in Europe.
    N=4 is coming back to Europe so there is at least that.
    These ones are still spinning somewhat remotely (N=2 I banged as I came back from the famous camping trip mentioned in recent FRs).

  17. N=3… And now that I had some time to process the reveal, what I want to do (but probably should not do) is to stress that while attraction is not a choice, what you choose to do with it is. But that is likely a DLV.

    It was quite obvious, even explicit, that a great deal of the conflict is that she wanted permission and was feeling “trapped” by it not being non-explicit that we are non-exclusive. What I want to do is to tell her that I don’t mind her feeling attracted, but I do mind if she does fuck someone else… But it is probably a mistake.

    Ugh, even when I’m banging someone else!
    Must remember she isn’t mine, it is – or maybe was – just my turn.

  18. @IAS

    I’ll read it in more detail over cofvefee but this sticks out:

    “What I want to do is to tell her that I don’t mind her feeling attracted, but I do mind if she does fuck someone else… But it is probably a mistake.”

    Firstly, bang her hard and totally own her, preferably tie her to the bed etc..

    Secondly, tell her that she and Mr. T look like a great couple and she should marry him, you’ll give her away at the wedding.

    Then, bang her again.

    Lastly charge Mr.T rent for the space he’s taking up in your head.

  19. @Palma: thanks for the help. I was spinning my hamster.

    It is funny how the “instinct” I have (although I knew better) is exactly the opposite of what I should do. Fortunately I managed to keep it in.

    My plan is to invite her over when she returns (it will be near her ovulation). I had been some specific sexual ideas before.
    I’ll try to go mostly silent during her holidays. Complete silence would be outside my previous behavior with her so can appear butt hurt. Then when she is about to return I’ll provoke her a bit, and invite. If she comes, she cums. If she doesn’t, then she made up her mind with respect to me and I’ll see how it goes for me going forward.

    1. IAS

      +100 to Palma’s advice.

      Part of spinning plates and realizing that most of them are going to drift off to test you and try and force commitment.

      Part of keeping plates exclusive to you is being the guy who realizes this and is unthreatened by this.

      DiCaprio mindset son.

      Now to your feewings…

      1st your true initial instinct is to kill this rival right? Deep down. Don’t try and package that I to something else. Be in touch with it.

      2nd. This is all about your ego. Hypergamous sifting has occurred and you’ve been sorted. The potential for this exists for everyone.

      So take your notes and move on. You were happy to fuck her body and thought that would be the be all and end all. Next time, fuxk her mind. That’s the path to asymmetrical exclusivity.

      Johnny Muscles be damned.

      All in all good problems to have my playa. 😂

  20. The path to bring her back around is to increase intensity with her hotter friends and let that get back to her. “I can’t believe you’ve given up IAS” they say…

    I’d just go no contact unless she is contacting you and then be brief until she comes back around to ” see how your doing”…

  21. Hi guys, just wondering if you can read this comment since I can only still read them via email-notifications.
    Short update:
    The text game works pretty well (thanks to Sentient’s ping-technique).
    As with every activity, as you tear down one wall, you see several more up, like my heavy problems with kino. I realized them at the last two dates, where once I did no kino and on the other one did it in a wrong way.

    However, as one plate falls, new ones can be set up. (is this even correct English?)

    Many thanks to you all, your work helps.
    Do you have any tips on how to learn calibrated kino?

    Have a good day,
    NoNameNumber1

  22. @IAS

    Stop spinning over it.

    It was just a slip of frame, like stepping into quicksand. The societally approved approach is to struggle to get out, its second nature, but if you do that you just sink faster.

    Actually you need to stop moving. You still feel the need to respond to all the shit she says when in fact you can just ignore 99% of it.

    It’s sooo deep seated that almost all of us still slip up.

    I slipped up yesterday. Bc of the current nonsense you have to queue for coffee, so I am and there’s only one outside table which I have my eye on and I’m at the front of the queue.

    A mother and daughter turn up behind me and one is gonna grab the table, and I’m like “damn are you grabbing that” instantly I said it I knew I’d fucked up.

    I should have said “hey, get your beady eyes off that table I’m in front of you in the queue” and I should have doubled down on that to all dissenters. “How rude” etc..

    But I didn’t. I was weak and supplicant and mother smelt it and you could sense her disgust.

    Objectively my SMV was 10x hers but one beta move blew it.

    Mother said “hmmm.. what are you going to do now”.

    I’m fucked bc nowhere to sit and I’ve loused it so I shrug and say “I won’t bother with coffee”…

    You could feel her legs closing in real time.. I walk off cursing at myself.

    Problem is that I’m not a natural complete and utter arsehole. That has its upsides and it’s downsides but needs to be recognised

  23. @Palma: many thanks. You had my back when I got N=3 and you had my back now.

    Update: she pinged me for my schedule, told me hers. I kept mine and she comes home almost 2 hours earlier to allow for it to happen… I get there, acted like usual, proceed to get her to suck me until I’m really hard then bang her in the bum. No talk about feeling “confused” or “trapped” at all, she is all smiley and caring.

    Verdict: It was a massive compound shit test and I passed. I had been slipping and she almost got me with it, but I managed to ace it during the reveal. I could have fucked it up when I was alone with my thoughts but didn’t, in part thanks to Palma helping me snap back to reality.
    It was closer than I would have liked, you can see from my posts above I was spinning my hamster quite fast.
    She is still attracted to the guy (and to Brad Pitt, I regularly joke about him with her)… And she may wind up banging him… Or not.
    That is her nature which I thought I had accepted but when tested I barely passed. I know I will get tested again one way or the other and I’ll be stronger.

    @Sentient: thanks. I only saw your messages now [after the bang].
    You are right of course. I make a point of fucking her mind (and I did a bit during the reveal) and that was crucial.
    I also did start thinking bad things about the guy, when he never did me any wrong. He made a silly joke in front of N=3 and N=5 to which I reacted too much to, that is on me not on him.

    Good problems to have indeed, opportunities for real growth that isn’t just theory.

    P.S. I tried to post this yesterday but my posts weren’t coming through for whatever reason.

  24. IAS

    Verdict: It was a massive compound shit test and I passed.

    Nice…

    Speaking of shit tests Palma

    Mother said “hmmm.. what are you going to do now”.

    There it is… The socially unacceptable thing would be to say “we’ll I’ll let you join me” and sit (if that was possible).

    Nonamenumber1.

    Who dis?

    Do you have any tips on how to learn calibrated kino?

    How do you get to Carnegie Hall?

    Praaaaaactice!

    https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/vhie130501/16768511-vindicarloescalationladder

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZa-dtruFI

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=csnQWDPD9Ps

  25. I’m a huge huge fan of early lino and strong boyfriend posture lino.

    Nothing seperates you from an AFC or nice guy faster than lino with strong eye contact.

    Yes it’s “risky”… Lol

    That’s the point.

    You have to take the shot and be prepared to roll off if if you get a string negative reaction. But that may also just be a shit test… See how that works?

    So early in the convo touch her arm to make a point, use the back of your hand… Or when she tells you her name shake her hand and hold just a few beats too long with eye contact.

    As things warm up get more physical. Turn her at the elbow to move her out of the way, put your hand on her shoulder to bring her in speak in her ear. Eventually take her hand and lead her to another part of the venue to talk.

    The goal of lino is trust. Not arousal!!!

    Boyfriend lino works because it feels familiar to her. Comfortable. Like you’ve already fucked her a dozen times.

    But you have to break the touch barrier and bust a move.

  26. @Sentient

    Yeah. I knew it in real time.

    Only a two seat table, one would have to have sat on my lap. That’s prob the line. “Hey that’s my table but if you can tell me a joke you can sit on my lap”.

    She was a would not bang but the place was filled with would bangs and overtly passing the ST is commutative.

    Anyway.. muh..

  27. “The goal of lino is trust. Not arousal!!!”

    You can flick her ear for being cheeky. That way you can calibrate breaking societal taboo with the restraint that she’s hardly been touched.

    As an aside I’m in my local pub the other night and there’s a bloke mid 40’s, professional job etc.. and we’re chatting shit.. I leave bc he’s boring me and I limit my drinking.

    Next day, mid 20’s bar manager says to me: “do you know him?”

    I don’t and I say no.

    She’s like “god he was in tears last night telling me how I reminded him of my ex.. yuck… gross..”

    She’s grossed out and doesn’t want to be anywhere near him. On the other hand her and I are going to buy a sailboat for her to live on and it involves staying on it overnight and sailing it back from where it is to where we live which is at least 10 hours and she’s “really looking forward to it”.

  28. Old guy here, can recommend an old movie to watch using the red pill lens, The Philadelphia Story, all the men except 2 put Hepburn on a pedestal, Cary Grant and the guy that plays her father. Would be very instructional for the younger folk.

    1. Just for a start:

      The Maltese Falcon

      Double Indemnity

      The Big Sleep

      Two John Wayne flicks: “The Quiet Man” and “McLintock” also educational.

  29. Well, Fuck,
    Here is the short
    Married 19-20yrs
    48
    Children, girls, 12, 18.
    Usual trappings.
    Been through various rough spots. Always the threat of divorce has come up. Last time she brought it up.(3yrs approx) “I flatly said. It’s a free country. Door is there. But the girls and I are staying put.”

    Anyhow shit around the mortgage I caught her out redrawing on it and using it as a personal bank account… I called her on it and it immediately became a feels over reals. I pulled that up and gave the facts. (Being mindful of the Gynocentric Blue Pill systems in place.) keeping control of my emotions. I have been red pill dosed for over a year. I have been slowly over the last 5 years winding back control. Being aware that sudden drastic changes are going to Detonate the marriage. With the two children keeping my focus on the duty of care for them. I have intentionally been ensuring that I have a great relationship with them so they can grow into great young women who are not thinking that they are entitled.

    So standard entitled behaviour From wife, silent treatment etc, I’m ignoring it and proceeding as normal.

    I have been blue pilled previously and Recognise marriage as a consolidation of this. Freely admit I was more her beta bucks fall back when we married about at (27 for her) 28 for me.

    There has always been some shit I will not put up with and have maintained this.

    She knows she has screwed up with taking the money out and not putting all of it back over the last two yrs. The funds will be returned. I will keeps a closer eye on the mortgages.

    I have been part of Fathers Divorce Groups for several years to educate and prep for the Gynocentric $#!T storm that will more than likely happen.

    In short planning for the worst… hoping for the best..

    The end point for me. I ain’t moving out of the house. I have a plan if I am forced out by the police.

    1. @Red Pill Dosed

      If you still want to bang her then this can be changed round but it requires a mindset change which is counterintuitive and takes quite a lot of balls.

      The fact you’re calling her out on it means you haven’t entirely been pussified by her and it’s not as bad as you think.

      We can talk through it here but there is also a book on game by heartiste that I’ve just got the paperback of (bc I think they’ll ban it) which has a specific section on it about turning round long term relationships.

      It’s a concatenation of comments from his banned website where men had turned round bad marriages.

      Basically you need to stop responding to shit tests and start saying no to her.

      Her: make me a coffee while you’re up

      You: make your own

      Then you put your coat on and go to the pub and come back late.

      Go buy some new clothes and shrug it off and refuse to explain yourself.

      You buy some new shoes, you don’t mention it.

      She asks and you what’s up and you shrug it off “I bought them bc I wanted them”

      She will go bananas and it’s how you handle that which will get her back submitting to you and jumping on you for sex (which is the only lever she has to control you)

      1. @PalmaSailor

        Thanks for the advise. I have not been cowtowing to the BS she is dishing out at the moment. Will look into it further and deal with it.

  30. RP Dosed

    I was in much the same situation as you albeit a bit older. I didn’t know RP at the time so I just blew it up. It felt good and I’m living life more on my terms than before.
    Sometimes I regret the blow up but what’s done is done and I own it.

    The advice here is top-notch. (most) of these guys know what their talking about

    1. I’m taking it on board. Took the time today to clean out my wardrobe my older one who is in year 12. Asked. What are you doing. Wife was in ear shot, so I said.

      “Working out what I don’t need anymore.”

      The younger one has noticed the wife’s short temper… so I’m taking that opportunity to build stronger bonds with her. It is already solid but re-enforcement won’t hurt. My girls are what I do most of what I do.

      Not going to detonate anything right now.
      During previous communication with the wife she noted that the dynamic had changed. This was shortly after I confronted her with the mortgage stuff and called her out on the lie of having paid it all back. Also that I didn’t back down on it.

      She is doing the whole indignant shit show…. I’m ignoring it. Right now it is cold between us.

      It pisses me off but I am keeping the emotions in check for a number of reasons. If I rage, she will win. So it is battle of wills.

      2 nights she said she was sleeping downstairs. Both times she came up to bed. Ignored her both times.

      I ain’t going to back down…..

      1. You’re actually doing very well so it’s not as far gone as you may think.

        The strongest position to be in from a self preservation And recovery point of view is where you have already checked out mentally.

        It looks like you might be there.

        You now have the options of recovering it on your terms which is her submitting to your frame, returning to the sweet submissive thing you married and cutting the attitude.

        Do that right and you’ll also get her Losing weight and initiating desire sex – which you may find impossible to believe right now.

        Or checking out.

        If I had my time again I may have chosen the former because I would have just got extra elsewhere and not had the financial damage and separation from my son that taking the latter route has caused.

        So first having extracted yourself think clearly about which outcome you want and I’ll chime in with anything you ask with that in mind.

        1. I have to say that I never did easy.
          I guess a little background on me would help with context.

          As a 5-6 year old growing up in a divorced house hold. (Mum fortunately never tried to poison us against my father). I would regularly get into fights in primary school. I was not popular and because I was determined to be me, It didnt fit in with the blue pill dogma that was in the system back 40 years ago.

          Even in high school I would be comming to the aid of my friends who were being picked on. When I became the target of denigration/vile rumors in high school. It would have been great if my own father had of been able to help train me how to punch grapple etc or even raise hell at the school for the lack of action on their part. The best that he could do, (living about 2 hours away and hooking up with another woman and her kids) was to let me have his book from the police academy on Judo that they used when he was training.

          Suffice to say that I absorbed that book and utilised the moves to good effect on and off the school yard. I cant say that I was an alpha. As I know that mentally wise I am not as confident as I may have been (if my father was more involved). A trait I have seen in other children of divorced parents. It is even more prevailent when the father has been legally ostracised through the courts by the mother.

          My mother finally turned around and stated that I should thump the little arseholes. Fortunately or othewise (can can decide). I declined to thump any of the bitches that took part in the character assasination. It also meant that any dating in highschool was never going to happen with me.

          It is challenging for a teenager when a rumor of a particular type takes hold and goes viral throughout the shool. So many people who deserved to be thumped and so little time to do so and so little action taken by any authority figure……..

          I gained/earned some respect by holding my own in some fights where my opponent was of a greater physical prowress than myself.

          As horrendously tough mentally as it was growing up. I can see that I have come out of it stronger as society doesnt care for you if you get stood on and kicked. Thus it is up to you to get through it.

          Suffice to say that I absorbed that book and utilised the moves to good effect on and off the school yard. I cant say that I was an alpha. As I know that mentally wise I am not as confident. A trait I have seen in other children of divorced parents. It is even more prevailent when the father has been legally ostracised through the courts by the mother.

          The point is that as I started before I digressed. I have not done easy. It would be easy for me to detonate my marriage now that my girls are 12 and 18. But then I would be allowing my girls to become more blue pilled. So I am navigating how best to proceed and regain control.

          Continuing from my first post, It has been tough balancing between, keeping things ticking over and contributing in the house hold during stage 4 lockdown (in Victoria Australia) and maintaining a calm level head perception by others in the house hold. I came up against what I believe was a shit test. Started to get the silent treatment again so I confronted the wife to find out what whe was pissed at me about. She refused to answer in that blue pill manner that you should be able to read minds bullshit and so I walked off.

          A big part of me wants to be able to return to the intimacy (although not great) of what we had before I found out that she was using the redraw on the mortgage for non emergencies. As mentioned previously, I have called her out on it and put forward a plan in writting. I have not put a block on the mortagages redraw yet. I am monitoring them daily.

          A smaller determined part is digging in to regain ground. I a mguessing that this comes back to the Blue Pill indoctrination that I am struggling with internally. The whole playing to the idolising of women for return of affection.( I feel that I have weakened in my stance, If I am being honest with myself……).

          Trying to deal with almost 20yrs of a marriage where I have encouraged her to get higher paid positions, been the sounding board, etc. While although it has helped the household, I guess I am in territory where my usefulness to the relationship is questioned because she is the main breadwinner. My Funds go to pay the mortgage. (which she still cant afford on her own). Physically I am in better health than she is so this is more than likely playing into her hindbrain hypergamy.

          I am still pushing back. Making little moves. eg, Stripes on the dooner cover as opposed to flowers. Confronting stuff as it comes up. A bit over a year ago I got a 2nd hand car, Manual (Stick shift) which she does not know how to drive. I pushed back against getting another automatic, as I am ginving my daughter driving lessons in a manual.

          I know that there is a simmering issue still to be dealt with on the redraw. My point has been made. That much is certain in my mind. I have a verbal from her saying that she is going to pay it back just not when. I have told her not to sell shares as this will result in a tax debt that then needs to be dealt with and will put further financial burden on the house hold.

          I am waiting for her to crack it and then I will hit her with the FEELS of betrayal of mortgage redraw bs she pulled, etc. She knows that she abused that so I am still being vigilant. I have not told her that I love her in over 3 weeks. I have not said goodnight/goodmorning, kissed or cuddled her when I come home or leave in the morning. I normally say it daily regardless of whether I am angry at her or otherwise. In this aspect I am trying to drive my point home. (my 2 daughters I still do these things with. )

          It is something that I know she will have noticed. So trying to changed the behaviour is slow going. Every now and again she is a little bit nicer so I reciprocate. But I am not going to provide affection only to get an emoitional kick in the guts.

          I know, as I have mentioned elsewhere, that I was the Beta Bucks fall back fortunately, as I was able to assist her through a financial issue before we were engaged with money that was owing to her from her previous Alpa Fucks man. For me I was not going to marry any girl that had kids already. So I know that these two girls are my own. (Pregnancy after the ring was put on) Just by their nature vs nurture and looks.

          If I need to vent. I do it out of earshot and view.

          I often make the joke that I am the only male in the house as the bird is yellow (Budgie, it is actually yellow) and the cat has had his nuts cut.

          It is hard though. As I want to confront it all and get it done and dusted.

          1. Red Pill Dosed

            Look. Passive aggressive shit like silent treatment is the stuff that causes her to seeth and despise you.

            The draw down was a mega shit test to get a response out of you. To shut her down.

            This I have a verbal from her saying that she is going to pay it back just not when. Is just lolz.

            The equivalent of “nothing physical happened” and “I was drunk”…

            Your going to hit her with feels? Good luck with that. You need another dose of red pill hoss.

            I’d lock down the account since she can’t be trusted. Then maybe sell something of hers to payback the money or direct deposit some amount into your account every paycheck.

            And then go around the house living your best life, smiling, singing, teasing her, and slapping that ass for being a pouty puss.

            If you want negative reinforcement you go take space go out and DO something without her. Take a long ride, pick up a night class or hobby and above all go hang out where other women are. All with that shit eating grin on your face.

            Cats are not dogs. You aren’t going to logic her out of this…

            For all your “make my women Rd pull” talk you miss the obvious.

            Logic ain’t red pill and neither is virtue. Women are dead to the bone red pill through and through. Ruthlessly. That is what hypergamy is after all…

            They just hide it.

            Do you even TRM broski?

          2. Red Pill Dosed.

            Thats^ a pretty long screed. A few thoughts.

            The main takeaway from your school experience is that you were learning to be your own man aside from public opinion etc.
            This will be helpful in the restructuring of your relationship as this is what is required of men to go it alone while supporting others.

            The idea of divorce is to divorce yourself from her opinions , ideals , expectations and wants,then only take care of her needs as you are not technically divorced so the support of the mother of your children is beneficial to all. What would you do, how would you view things if you were divorced?

            I look at women past the age of 45 as in crisis ( fertility spent, financial future uncertain,hypergamous urges along with the input of other women) , she needs an anchor more than ever and a steady hand at the wheel. Probably the worst thing would be to have a huge sum available if you split the sheets, she would likely initiate a breakup now.

            Don’t forget to pat her on the ass and tease her after she gets wound up about something.

          3. @Red Pill Dosed

            Cut off her access to the Mortgage drawdown.

            When she kicks off about it Grab her by the hair, to the bedroom, push her face down in the pillow, and fuck her..

            Don’t say anything to her.

            Then put your clothes on and walk to your local bar for beer.

            Get home at 5 smelling of some other woman’s perfume.

          4. First of @Sentient, @StuffinBox, @PalmASailor, thankyou for your feed back and input.

            Last night was another shit Test, The Wife turned around to me and said that she had a dream that I asked her for a divorce. I was in the middle of trying to sneeze when she finished the statement and it took about 10-seconds before I sneezed two or three times. After which I looked at her squarely and stated with a small grin. “You know that I am allergic to divorce.”

            @PalmASailor,
            Marital rape was criminalised in all Australian jurisdictions, starting with a partial criminalisation in South Australia in 1976, with full criminalisation starting in New South Wales and Victoria in 1981.

            So while I see your point in excerting dominance. The Feminine Imperitive in the Nanny state of Victoria is a phone call away from a Jail cell. The system here in Australia is very Gnocentric. In any case if she wants some she can hit me up for it…. I dont care either way at the moment… plenty of adults sites I can visit.

            @StuffinBox, @PalmASailor,
            Stage 4 lockdown in Victoria, Australia,
            8pm Curfew, (No pubs, bars, nightclubs are opened.) Everything that is not deemed essential services is closed. Businesses have been suffering and many have gone bust.
            Other stage 4 restrictions.
            Only allowed outside your home for 1 hour of exercise a day.
            1 person only is allowed to go shopping from a house hold.
            You are not allowed further than 5km radius from home.

            @StuffInABox
            More and more I am not caring about her opinions. The other night she was banging on about used toilet rolls not being put in the bin (shit test). I started laughing at her then turned around and told her that she is complaining about miniscue stuff and walked off.
            In relation to courses, etc, going out. See the above in relation to Stage for Lockedown. The powers granted by the Chief Medical officer infact allow Police to enter your home without any need of a warrant.

            I suspect that she is now dealing with her own dread game. As you mentioned she is in Crisis, the large sum of money is the mortgage. She has not touched the redraw since I have challenged her on it.

            in relation to the silent treatment. I have been talking with her in so far as what is needed to keep the house running smoothly. So I am being cordial but definately not engaging in any lovey dovey shit.

            I think it was rollo that said they control the sex engagement. We control the relationship side…

            The fact that she came out with the dream of me asking for a divorce, I find funny. Also if she did follow through I have to say I would probably welcome it at this point. At this point with what transpired last night and the night before, I believe I have gained more control. If only mentally that I dont feel affected from the lack of intimacy from her.

            I have a number of plans in place that I will follow depending how this scenario will come to light.

            @Sentient,
            Yup I am still reading up on more stuff from this Site to continue my Red Pill Doses. Sort of like Vitamins, taking a daily dose to heal and get stronger. I know that I have a long way to do. I agree with you and I failed to shut her down or get specifics with the lack of Timing aspect for the repayment of the outstanding amount.

            I have to admit I was caught by surprise as the redraw has been happening for about 2 years and while she has been paying funds back during this time, there is still a large short fall of about 14k AUD. Which is why I have told her not to sell any shares as it will result in a Tax Debt that needs to be paid and that is still going to burden the family financial side of things.

            The repayment discussion will happen. I have placed a block on the mortgages. Any further redraws will need approval from both.

            I will see how this all pans out and deal with it accordingly.

      2. Red pill dosed

        Yeah you are doing great. Just keep doing you.

        One thing to watch is your focus on the girls. That’s a point of leverage she can use at some point.

        The HEAT anology is walk in five minutes. The USUAL SUSPECTS anology is Kaiser Soze wiping out his family in front of the bad guys…

        Nothing has a hold on you.

        But it takes time to get there. It’s the equation that prevents zeroing out. 0 x 0 = 0.

        Now that said if you really want to get her brain take the girls for a drive and lunch without her…

        1. While my focus is the Girsl I have a solid relationship with them and keep building on it when ever the wife is overtly harsh on them. The girls dont disrespect me. I am sure to stop that BS as soon as it looks to rear its head.

          Stage 4 Lock Down in Victoria, Australia at the moment. Gotta Love the CCP virus that they unleashed.

          I will keep it in mind for the near future.

          1. Dosed

            The girls dont disrespect me. I am sure to stop that BS as soon as it looks to rear its head.

            Just remember your wife is just a girl too. Oldest teenager in the house is the saying.

  31. Field report day one

    Woke up this morning on boat and fucked about a bit checking diesel / sea cocks / rigging – getting soaking wet and filthy and with no water to shower or anything else so got in dinghy in yesterday’s clothes and rowed in to shore for cofvefee and breakfast.

    Wandered round town first thing and the only place open only does coffee and pancakes etc.. slim HB7 ish at least 5’8” (so taller then me) and about 35 is working. Bright red lipstick.

    Put my head through the door and asked if there was any chance of anything for breakfast. She says she can only do a bacon sandwich. Great just what I’ve always wanted so I go in and order that and a coffee.

    Sit down and she’s talking randomly to some very old locals plus she has a waitress that’s 16. She engages with me about the bacon, and she tried to do eggs in the microwave but they exploded and her electrician has told her she can’t have any more electric appliances connected.

    I said she shouldn’t worry about electrical problems bc after a bit you don’t see the sparks anymore bc you’re distracted by the flames. I didn’t think that landed in real time.

    Anyway you can do scrambled egg on the coffee machine using the steam jet.. local Italian deli used to do it that way.

    She says that she doesn’t want to be savoury anyway she wants to be sweet. So I say “you’ve go to be what you want to be”.

    She’s chatting about a local boy who’s asked her if the waitress is 16 and legal, also about another regular who asked to see her little toe and has a toe fetish. Then she discusses a bad review a customer left but the customer also said that the waitress was “hot”. She labours this three or four times, how out of order it is for someone to refer to a 16 yo as “hot” and I look at her and say nothing but shake my head and give it the roger moore eyebrow raise.

    It gets in to her opening time bc she has to get kids to school and she’s a single parent. They’re 6 & 8. Her 8 year old girl is too dizzy to walk to school on her own and she wishes her son were a bit older bc he’s quite sensible and could definitely get to school on his own no problem.

    I say “yeah, typical, you women all need a man to sort you out”

    At the moment she has two weeks without the kids bc they are with their dad. It’s her two weeks off. Did I hear that???!!!!

    She asks if I want another coffee, and I say “obviously you’re a fellow addict, and you can recognise I need the drugs”. She laughs and says something else.

    Conversation continues and she drops into interrogation mode, am I a local or am I just visiting? I say I’m just visiting and she asks what I’m doing here. Now I’m wearing a Bright Red Musto sailing jacket in a marine port so you don’t have to be fucking Columbo…

    I tell her a couple of us have bought an old sailboat and I’m on it sorting it out but I don’t have any water so I can’t wash and I can’t get a berth with shower facilities bc they’re all taken as the regatta is in town so it’s all full.

    Plus I have to row out to it bc we don’t have an outboard and so by Friday I’ll smell like a ferrets arse. She says If I rub myself down with a fish I’ll fit right in bc all the local men smell of body odour with an underlying fish theme.

    She asks how big the boat is and I say 30ft, she says “oh great we can have a party on that Friday night, I’ve got two friends, you’ll like one she has enormous tits (beta bait)”

    I totally ignore the tits comment, so she repeats it and I ignore it again as if she never said it. I say we’ve got nothing on it and I’ll have to row you out. She says “can we bring booze?”

    I say “of course”, so she says shell check with 2 of her friends and they’ll all come out.

    I say “great I’ve got one, possibly two friends coming down later in the week so we’ll do it, but she needs to confirm.

    I tell her to take my number which she does and says she has put in her phone as “PalmaSailor boat”

    She says she’s done me a special price on the sandwich, I say she should just charge the right price bc she needs a profit. She says ok £150 then. I laugh and say “perhaps not that much profit”, tap to pay and walk out smiling.

    @asa is arriving Wednesday night and I’m trying to scavenge something that plays music.

    Anyone want to take that ^^ apart.. lol..

    1. Ha

      Love in the time of corona…

      This is how it’s supposed to be. Enjoy

      I’d have got her number first is the only change I’d make.

      A word on the “interrogation”…

      I think a lot of us can get a little to focused on women’s sorting mechanism… Not that we shouldn’t be aware of it but pay the “process” they go through less attention, give it less headspace.

      I’ve come to the conclusion they just act like beta males early in the interaction, and just roll through the seven deadly questions… All just threads for a master to weave a tapestry with.

      Now another observation is they go through this early on in the absence of evidence to the contrary, i.e. if you came in all bluster and jollity and made a more obvious display from the outset of who you are and what you are about it changes her reaction.

      Not saying one should do that necessarily, just an observation… The seven deadly then come later in comfort…

      Should prove to be a good time. Her hindbrain kicked her arse good and hard to set the table for things “just happening” during this window of opportunity with no kids.

      If it was me. I’d give her place wide berth until she comes to the dock on Friday.

        1. That time capsule from Heartiste 7 years ago really takes me back. Especially the part where YaReally gets into it with King A Matthew King, lolzzz.

          I notice that the comments nested at least 3 deep, too.

    2. @PalmaSailor

      good FR… looks like that boat is starting to pay off already…lol

      Field report day one

      Woke up this morning on boat and fucked about a bit checking diesel / sea cocks / rigging – getting soaking wet and filthy and with no water to shower or anything else so got in dinghy in yesterday’s clothes and rowed in to shore for cofvefee and breakfast.

      Wandered round town first thing and the only place open only does coffee and pancakes etc.. slim HB7 ish at least 5’8” (so taller then me) and about 35 is working. Bright red lipstick.

      earlier that morning…

      [her hindbrain (whispering) – ‘pick the bright red stuff… you need to get laid… and soon… these eggs aren’t gettin’ any fresher…’]

      lol…

      Put my head through the door and asked if there was any chance of anything for breakfast. She says she can only do a bacon sandwich. Great just what I’ve always wanted so I go in and order that and a coffee.

      Sit down and she’s talking randomly to some very old locals plus she has a waitress that’s 16. She engages with me about the bacon, and she tried to do eggs in the microwave but they exploded and her electrician has told her she can’t have any more electric appliances connected.

      I said she shouldn’t worry about electrical problems bc after a bit you don’t see the sparks anymore bc you’re distracted by the flames. I didn’t think that landed in real time.

      maybe not consciously, but her hindbrain sure perked up…lol

      Anyway you can do scrambled egg on the coffee machine using the steam jet.. local Italian deli used to do it that way.

      She says that she doesn’t want to be savoury anyway she wants to be sweet. So I say “you’ve go to be what you want to be”.

      She’s chatting about a local boy who’s asked her if the waitress is 16 and legal, also about another regular who asked to see her little toe and has a toe fetish.

      lol… her hindbrain is starting to spin up and sexualize the situ… also, putting herself as the prize…

      Then she discusses a bad review a customer left but the customer also said that the waitress was “hot”. She labours this three or four times, how out of order it is for someone to refer to a 16 yo as “hot”

      FI shaming…lol… and smell that competition anxiety!… right through the computer monitor…lol… also, beta bait…

      and I look at her and say nothing but shake my head and give it the roger moore eyebrow raise.

      this is sufficiently ambiguous…lol

      It gets in to her opening time bc she has to get kids to school and she’s a single parent. They’re 6 & 8. Her 8 year old girl is too dizzy to walk to school on her own and she wishes her son were a bit older bc he’s quite sensible and could definitely get to school on his own no problem.

      that^^^ was an invitation to WK/beta bait…

      I say “yeah, typical, you women all need a man to sort you out”

      good response… i predict a hindbrain reaction…lol

      At the moment she has two weeks without the kids bc they are with their dad. It’s her two weeks off. Did I hear that???!!!!

      aaand… there it is…lol

      She asks if I want another coffee,

      this is good… she wants to keep the interaction going…

      and I say “obviously you’re a fellow addict, and you can recognise I need the drugs”. She laughs and says something else.

      Conversation continues and she drops into interrogation mode, am I a local or am I just visiting? I say I’m just visiting and she asks what I’m doing here. Now I’m wearing a Bright Red Musto sailing jacket in a marine port so you don’t have to be fucking Columbo…

      I tell her a couple of us have bought an old sailboat and I’m on it sorting it out but I don’t have any water so I can’t wash and I can’t get a berth with shower facilities bc they’re all taken as the regatta is in town so it’s all full.

      Plus I have to row out to it bc we don’t have an outboard and so by Friday I’ll smell like a ferrets arse. She says If I rub myself down with a fish I’ll fit right in bc all the local men smell of body odour with an underlying fish theme.

      sh*t test… = putting you in with ‘all the local men’… non-reaction (not trying to distinguish yourself) is the proper reaction… otherwise, you are chasing… with her as the prize…

      She asks how big the boat is and I say 30ft, she says “oh great we can have a party on that Friday night, I’ve got two friends, you’ll like one she has enormous tits (beta bait)”

      I totally ignore the tits comment, so she repeats it and I ignore it again as if she never said it.

      it might have been beta bait… it could also have been her sexualizing the situ… (actually it’s probably both…lol)… ignoring it didn’t hurt you, but you could have moved the ball a bit…

      “i don’t know if i’m up to entertaining 3 girls by myself… it’s been a while… but bring them along, we’ll make it a party…”

      lol…

      I say we’ve got nothing on it and I’ll have to row you out. She says “can we bring booze?”

      I say “of course”, so she says shell check with 2 of her friends and they’ll all come out.

      I say “great I’ve got one, possibly two friends coming down later in the week so we’ll do it, but she needs to confirm.

      I tell her to take my number which she does and says she has put in her phone as “PalmaSailor boat”

      good compliance test…

      She says she’s done me a special price on the sandwich, I say she should just charge the right price bc she needs a profit. She says ok £150 then. I laugh and say “perhaps not that much profit”, tap to pay and walk out smiling.

      @asa is arriving Wednesday night and I’m trying to scavenge something that plays music.

      Anyone want to take that ^^ apart.. lol..

      overall, a great interaction…

      one question… did you even think about hitting her up for a shower at her place?…lol…

      and +1 on Sentient not over-thinking the ‘interrogation’… the overall concept (since ‘daygame’…lol… and her age…) is to go along with it bc you are getting to know each other, but not to get sucked into the ‘interrogation’ as the main reason for the communication… if that makes sense… the main ‘reason’ is bc you are sizing each other up for ‘procreative festivities’…lol…

      (betas get stuck in the interrogation as the process… = as if the interrogation itself will lead to happytime… bc they assume she is attracted bc she is asking questions about them… and if they answer all the questions, they’ll get laid…)

      i just conceptually ‘talk to her hindbrain’… and let her hamster work it out…lol… (and that works on wives too btw…lol)

      good luck!

      1. @HABD / Sentient

        “one question… did you even think about hitting her up for a shower at her place?…lol…”

        I’ve only just got to the point where the switch has flipped and I see most of this stuff in real time as opposed to after the event.

        After the last two dog girls I just seem to see it now. I don’t know what flipped the switch.

        I didn’t intend the phone number as a compliance test (but obv it had that effect), I just thought “if you want it come and get it, I’m not chasing” plus I know where she is so I can walk in Friday if she doesn’t call.

        I didn’t think in real time about the shower, but I did shortly after walking out. I could easily “need a shower one evening” and I’ll play that if she texts, if not I’ll hit it Friday AM.

        If I get the offer of the shower I’ll go straight for the bang Without even any pretence bc there’s only one reason I’ll be there, and it’s not to shower lol..

      2. “(betas get stuck in the interrogation as the process… = as if the interrogation itself will lead to happytime… bc they assume she is attracted bc she is asking questions about them… and if they answer all the questions, they’ll get laid…)”

        Yeah .. but no.. she’s asking questions because she’s looking for reasons to exclude. She’s trying to smash it and see if it breaks and if you “comply” then you fail.

        You’re better off ignoring ALL of them than answering any.

    3. Single parent…. partner has the kids,
      Either one she is looking to let her hair down and enjoy abit while the kids are with the father.
      The good thing is that it looks like 50/50 share so means that she is not a Tomi.

      Kids are 6 and 8. so she had them at 27. The clock was ticking, hamster was running and wall was approaching. Popped the kids out. Divorced the father. Revenue for the kid support in place. CHECK

      Inviting two friends around to the boat….. I am immediatly suspicisous…. “one has big tits!” “Commander Ackbar: “Its a trap!!”
      That was a shit test as far as I can tell in relation to her. The one with Big tits, if she is real problably is a 4 or 5 and wants you to chew your arm off…. (I could be to suspicous??)

      If she if inviting her two friends then I feel it will be at your expense as they will treat you the servant for their enjoyment, sucking back drinks on a Yatch. If you make a pass and it goes south then you have 3 saying that you are a sexual predator..

      You mentioned that you didnt have a shower and she did not offer you one. That was probably her checking the safety first box.

      If she does turn up with 3 then you could play strip poker or walk the plank strip poker……. If you loose then you drop clothing or take a step along the plank…. LOL.. just made that up…

      Here look at me married for 20 years, Monagomous…. LoL

      You have a boat. Her Hypergamy mind is thinking Money…. support revenue… (Maybe I am jaded.)

      Seems to me that she is flirting with you.

      I would take other mens advise but consider what I put in above in the equation.

      I would give her a wide birth…. pun sorta intended.

      (But then again Im 48 and if I use the, half and add 5 years rule. I am looking at women who are close to hitting the walll.)

      1. @Red Pill Dosed

        Single parent…. partner has the kids,
        Either one she is looking to let her hair down and enjoy abit while the kids are with the father.

        [So there’s the forebrain and the hindbrain. The hindbrain overrules the forebrain and she doesn’t know it. She didn’t know why she picked red lipstick (she’s ovulating) and that means she’s more drawn to men on the basis of r selection RIGHT NOW. which is why I should have hit on her that night. By Friday that could all have changed. The forebrain did consciously think she’s got a bit of time off and wants some fun plus there is the provisioning thing. But the point of game is to get the woman on the basis of her desire (r selection) because that way you get blinding sex and they buy you drinks]

        The good thing is that it looks like 50/50 share so means that she is not a Tomi.
        Kids are 6 and 8. so she had them at 27. The clock was ticking, hamster was running and wall was approaching. Popped the kids out. Divorced the father. Revenue for the kid support in place. CHECK

        [I don’t know where you’re based, but here that’s a stretch. A lot of dads pay nothing / or very little. But They’re still fucked up about it because even if they are receiving child support it usually stops at 18. So they’re looking for a poindexter to provide (k selection) after that. The object of the exercise is to disqualify yourself from that]

        Inviting two friends around to the boat….. I am immediatly suspicisous…. “one has big tits!” “Commander Ackbar: “Its a trap!!”

        [yeah, one is defo gonna be a pig. She must be, otherwise she wouldn’t be jumping on a boat on a Friday night with a bloke she’s never met on her friends say so]

        That was a shit test as far as I can tell in relation to her. The one with Big tits, if she is real problably is a 4 or 5 and wants you to chew your arm off…. (I could be to suspicous??)

        [could even be a double stumper lol]

        If she if inviting her two friends then I feel it will be at your expense as they will treat you the servant for their enjoyment, sucking back drinks on a Yatch. If you make a pass and it goes south then you have 3 saying that you are a sexual predator..

        [yes that’s the standard MO, find a chump and get him to buy drinks all night, but that wouldn’t happen here bc I wouldn’t let it. If they arrived at the jetty without any drinks I’d pack them back off to get some. Or cancel the gig and walk into town on my own. I doubt she’d risk it, so I think they’ll bring drink if it happens.

        I’ve got more chance of banging all three at the same time than being labelled a sexual predator. That’s the fate of beta males who use resources to try to get with women.]

        You mentioned that you didnt have a shower and she did not offer you one. That was probably her checking the safety first box.

        [possible but they don’t REALLY care about safety in the way we think they do. They don’t want to get murdered, but they really really do want to get banged out by a man capable of murder so the hindbrain has to weigh up the risk because they are highly sexually aroused by men capable of murder even though the forebrain tells them it’s wrong. That’s where “chemistry” comes in. Her subconscious telling her it’s OK to bang this guy even though she’s only known him an hour]

        If she does turn up with 3 then you could play strip poker or walk the plank strip poker……. If you loose then you drop clothing or take a step along the plank…. LOL.. just made that up…

        [best idea you’ve had all day!! Lol]

        Here look at me married for 20 years, Monagomous…. LoL

        [well you don’t have to be anything you don’t want to be]

        You have a boat. Her Hypergamy mind is thinking Money…. support revenue… (Maybe I am jaded.)

        [could be all of that but there are much richer men with much bigger boats right next to me and almost all of them would shower this woman with whatever it took to get into her pants but it wouldn’t work (until she’s a bit over 40) and the attempt will gross her out.]

        Seems to me that she is flirting with you.

        [Im not quite sure what the word is but it wasn’t quite flirting in the traditional sense]

        I would take other mens advise but consider what I put in above in the equation.

        I would give her a wide birth…. pun sorta intended.

        [So that’s interesting, I’m 52, and divorced, I answer to no one, so why would I give it a wide berth? Seriously I’m interested why you think that?]

        (But then again Im 48 and if I use the, half and add 5 years rule. I am looking at women who are close to hitting the walll.)

        [Work harder at game and forget the rules]

        It may all become academic bc the weather has turned in hard and it’s possible I won’t be able to get off the boat until Saturday… not even I am mad enough to row a dinghy in the 45 mph storm that’s kicking outside right now. So I’m holed up but the worst news is the beer on board isn’t even cold!!!

        1. Put the beer in a sturdy bag and in the water if it is cold. That should cool it down enough.
          For you 52, divorced, then yeah, go for it.

          I said “wide birth” as she is divorced, 2 kids… but that said… who am I to talk…. if you can bang her…. I read somewhere that banging younger women is good for your health.

          I’m based in Australia, Duluth model is squarely in place. Common for women with one kid or two to get another man on the hook to be a father paying child support. Alienate the father and get 100% care. Not my situation but many fathers are.
          The society is blue pilled for the most part.

  32. Lulz.

    I’m on travel in a pseudo Tiki bar that serves food (local requirement) with a middle aged couple off to my right. She’s circling around “I put her in your car but…” and he’s doing a lot of kino with “eh, it doesn’t matter, really” while she gives him a side eye but keeps on rubbing his leg under the bar as if no one can see. I notice all this stuff because of years reading here, reading @ old Heartiste, reading West Indian Archie, reading some of YaReally.

    And it’s just amusing. Oh, here we go — “No part…no, doesn’t matter”, he’s holding up his hand in a strong gesture as he esplains that something really, truly did not matter.

    The Mai Tai is ok. Not as good as some, but ok.

  33. Field report

    So back to the other restaurant with the 40 y/o that I didn’t fully write up. They do a better breakfast than sausage girl.

    Arrive about 9, and she doesn’t serve me, a different girl does, and in fairness she doesn’t actually see me.

    She comes over mid way for a chat and lets drop that she has an 8 month old baby, and a yacht but isn’t doing much sailing at the moment bc baby. I say “ha ha, you only need four hours sleep what’s the matter with you? lol..”

    All finished and I’m ready to pay and she’s the only one looking for eye contact as other staff are ignoring customers so she comes over with the bill.

    Chit chat continues, it transpires she also has a 6 y/o. Will I be back or am I leaving?

    I say I don’t know bc we have heavy weather which only breaks on Monday and I’ve only got that window to get across the coast (with restrictions bc military test zone) and I don’t want to do it solo bc (new) unfamiliar boat. All my mates are blousing out, but if I have to then I will do it solo. She’s like “eek” and offers to have a word at yacht club for a deck hand which I decline.

    Then she asks “what are you doing today?”

    I say “meditating upon the incongruity of life, what are you doing?”

    She’s twitchy and nervous and says “taking my husband (no ring) to hospital he’s got a lump they need to remove and look at. They’ve only just seen it and dragged him in immediately”

    I say “ah don’t worry they’ll do a biopsy, and it’ll prob be fine. They’re very good. I had skin cancer and they chopped it out”

    She brightens up, relaxes, smiles and says “see you soon”

  34. @HABD

    Ref local barmaid

    ouch!…lol… put into the friend zone… she’ll remember you for sure…lol

    I’ve had reported back that she’s gone and bought one on her own and that the mast has snapped before she got it home. Thats actually a super rare thing to happen. She must have bought a pig. Strong independent feminist that she is lol…

    “if you know what you are looking at, that sh*t’s everywhere…lol… and it’s ramping up every time i’m out somewhere… and not subtle at ALL…lol

    that’s one of my indicators of how i can tell the system is actually being stressed into a potential melt-down… bc girls are REALLY tuned into resource allocation/scarcity…lol”

    It isn’t just me then.

    nope… but you have to be able to SEE what is right in front of you… most people can’t directly see reality… it’s just too scary… = psychic self-defense… their heads would explode…lol

    **Obviously the scariness spooks them, but I think the reason they can’t see it is more to do with normalcy bias. **

    It’s Zimbabwe 101. But scarier than that its global.

    it’s the same everywhere bc the us dollar is the world reserve currency… and fiat currency is… what for it… FIAT…lol… doesn’t matter who issues the ‘not based on any real value’ paper… at the end of the day… or ‘fiat cycle’… it’s still worthless…lol…
    and this end game (financial collapse) has been baked into the system since 1913… i’m surprised it’s lasted this long tbh…

    what’s more concerning to me isn’t just the world-wide currency collapse… which is bad enough… it’s that at the same time that the whole thing is balanced on the edge of financial collapse, the system is also getting stressed for actual wealth production (ie food)…

    What I’ve thought was going to happen for a long time is a bout of global competitive devaluation between currencies, with those the more closely related to actual wealth generation (bc there is a delta between one type of FIAT bullshit and another) strengthening compared to all the other ones. But it’s all a shit show. Mad but something like the Moldovan Lei actually accruing value (compared to everything else) because basically they’re all farming

    china is looking at a famine… 1.4 billion is a LOT of mouths to feed… (and india isn’t far behind that… although, as far as i know, india doesn’t have massive loss of food production in play)

    ** I don’t think China’s cares about feeding them, what it cares about is controlling the live ones. I’ll bust the laptop out at some point and post the photographs of the police that I took in Shanghai **

    china is getting so much rain/flooding that a huge chunk of their bread basket is flooded out… = grains/produce/livestock…and their long-term grain storage is all moldy from the dampness… as well as ‘competency’ of the commie supervisors…lol…
    and that is on top of a good chunk of their pork industry was taken out last year by pig ebola… that was enough to move pork from a ‘staple food’ to a luxury food… and raised prices on pork world-wide…

    ** plenty of pigs where I live – honestly. A few of us would pay to get them shipped out lol..**

    and iowa just had about 40% of its corn/bean crop taken out by high winds… as well as a bunch of grain in storage…

    and all that rain in china is upstream and pushing on the three gorges dam… which was built by the best third-tier chinese commie subcontractors whatever money was left after the corruption skimmers took their cut could buy…lol…

    ** you reading the ft? Or is this info becoming more mainstream?

    https://www.ft.com/content/58ed7f38-507d-4727-887a-e50afa934b92

    **

    the dam hasn’t failed yet (as far as i know…lol), but the dam itself has deformed enough to show up on the satellite photos… and you know what that means for concrete… it’s just a matter to time… and that is on top of the actual poor design…lol… i mean really, who doesn’t actually anchor a dam into the underlying bedrock?…lol…

    ** I may be wrong on this, but I think pre cast concrete can actually twist. My dad was an engineer for Arup and they designed and built the Sydney opera house. Apparently they had to build a “skew” in as it went up. I doubt the chicomms got it right on that scale.**

    AND downstream is wuhan… with that bio level 4 lab… and there are several nuke reactors downstream as well… not to mention the downstream area is the ‘industrial breadbasket’ for china… as well as shanghai… which means the world’s JIT delivery system for almost everything – drugs/electronics/replacement parts/etc – is living on borrowed time too…

    **we already have supply issues, right now it’s with odd stuff, but I’m looking at an ac inverter and it’s £39 inc postage from China on eBay. There must be a postage anomaly = our postal system is subsiding it because of legacy agreements that didn’t take into account the wealth transfer that’s occurring. I don’t think you could even post it within the U.K. for the price of buying it and posting it from China.

    So we are due a supply side price shock of massive proportions.**

    AND i haven’t even factored in the locusts…lol

    ** they’re already setting us up over here to eat those but if I post another link it’ll probably go into moderation**

    china is starting to bid on food on the open market… which has already started pushing up prices here… and will continue to do so… and i really don’t think there is going to be ‘enough’ actual food to go around (world-wide)… and wars have been started over a lot less ‘hunger’… and hungry people are crabby…lol…

    the ccp may have to start a war just to maintain control… of course it might just let them starve too… but like i said, crabby…lol

    ** nah, a war would be better PR. Then they can blame someone else **

    Props on the boat

    it’s probably a good thing you bought it now… and given the state of the world, it might be good to get a couple more sets of sails and other things you might need/want for it, while they are still relatively cheap… or even available at any price…
    is the dingy set up for sailing?… that sh*t’s been around a looong time before internal combustion…lol… and it might be wise to set it up if you can… but get that outboard sooner rather than later… you never really know when the infrastructure is going to fail and hyperinflation kicks off… given how interconnected everything is, it could take only hours… and then there is that dam… it could go tomorrow or ten years from now… hard to say…

    ** could do with a slightl better one to escape on, but there’s a lot of those idle if you know where to look. The main object of the exercise is knowing what you want on it, getting that, and knowing what you’d have to strip off and throw over the side of one that wasn’t technically.. err, yours.. if it came to it.

    I’ve got a bit of faith on the dam bc they will know about it. If I were them, I would be building a new one down the road a bit. Unless of course I didn’t want to resolve the “problem”**

  35. @PalmaSailor

    @HABD

    Ref local barmaid

    I’ve had reported back that she’s gone and bought one on her own and that the mast has snapped before she got it home. Thats actually a super rare thing to happen. She must have bought a pig. Strong independent feminist that she is lol…”

    her hindbrain was/is still hoping you will bail her out…lol


    It isn’t just me then.

    nope… but you have to be able to SEE what is right in front of you… most people can’t directly see reality… it’s just too scary… = psychic self-defense… their heads would explode…lol

    **Obviously the scariness spooks them, but I think the reason they can’t see it is more to do with normalcy bias. **

    true… until the change in the system is sooo apparent they have to actively work to avoid seeing the changes…lol… like now…


    What I’ve thought was going to happen for a long time is a bout of global competitive devaluation between currencies, with those the more closely related to actual wealth generation (bc there is a delta between one type of FIAT bullshit and another) strengthening compared to all the other ones. But it’s all a shit show. Mad but something like the Moldovan Lei actually accruing value (compared to everything else) because basically they’re all farming

    interesting idea…

    fiat still boils down to

    “will you take this pile of cash for that loaf of bread”?…

    it’s true that some piles of cash might be smaller…lol


    ** I don’t think China’s cares about feeding them, what it cares about is controlling the live ones. I’ll bust the laptop out at some point and post the photographs of the police that I took in Shanghai **”

    controlling a billion hungry live ones with nothing to lose is tricky…lol

    “** plenty of pigs where I live – honestly. A few of us would pay to get them shipped out lol..**”

    lol…


    and all that rain in china is upstream and pushing on the three gorges dam… which was built by the best third-tier chinese commie subcontractors whatever money was left after the corruption skimmers took their cut could buy…lol…”

    ** you reading the ft? Or is this info becoming more mainstream?

    https://www.ft.com/content/58ed7f38-507d-4727-887a-e50afa934b92

    **”

    no…just other back channels… although it does seem to be more mainstream lately…


    ** I may be wrong on this, but I think pre cast concrete can actually twist. My dad was an engineer for Arup and they designed and built the Sydney opera house. Apparently they had to build a “skew” in as it went up. I doubt the chicomms got it right on that scale.**”

    concrete is expected to deform in situ… how much and to what effect is the question…

    for dams… not so good…

    https://www.aboutcivil.org/creep-in-concrete.html

    In mass concrete structures such as dams, on account of differential temperature conditions at the interior and surface, creep is harmful and by itself may be a cause of cracking in the interior of dams. Therefore, all precautions and steps must be taken to see that increase in temperature does not take place in the interior of mass concrete structure.

    AND enough deformation (creep) to see it from satellite photos is baaad…lol

    just a matter of time…

    and that’s not counting the cavitation from releasing water too fast…lol

    the problem is typical poor commie engineering…lol

    it’s built as a flood control dam…which needs low water behind it… to control the flooding… AND a power gen dam which needs high water behind it all the time…lol


    **we already have supply issues, right now it’s with odd stuff, but I’m looking at an ac inverter and it’s £39 inc postage from China on eBay. There must be a postage anomaly = our postal system is subsiding it because of legacy agreements that didn’t take into account the wealth transfer that’s occurring. I don’t think you could even post it within the U.K. for the price of buying it and posting it from China.

    So we are due a supply side price shock of massive proportions.**”

    also looks like inflation..

    “AND i haven’t even factored in the locusts…lol

    ** they’re already setting us up over here to eat those but if I post another link it’ll probably go into moderation**”

    ya…I’ve heard about the bug burgers…lol

    “** nah, a war would be better PR. Then they can blame someone else **”

    when war is the least bad option…

    “** could do with a slightl better one to escape on, but there’s a lot of those idle if you know where to look. The main object of the exercise is knowing what you want on it, getting that, and knowing what you’d have to strip off and throw over the side of one that wasn’t technically.. err, yours.. if it came to it.

    I’ve got a bit of faith on the dam bc they will know about it. If I were them, I would be building a new one down the road a bit. Unless of course I didn’t want to resolve the “problem”**”

    that’s the only spot for it…lol… AND they were buying concrete from all over the planet just to have enough for the first one…lol

    plus the ccp would have to admit failure…lol… not gonna happen…

    good luck!

    1. @HABD

      Typical, they built a dam in a straight line. All the pressure on the back needs to be resisted in a single opposing dimension, ie an opposing force.

      If they’d built it concave, (I haven’t done the math but possibly parabolic), then the force on the back, would have been greatly transferred laterally.

      Buuut.. some chicom senior said “we need a dam across there” and no one argued.

      My first thought was that It would have taken roughly(pi x d)/2 times the concrete, but a semi spherical shape would have had such a superior integrity that it may even have used less concrete.

      That plus they would have had more linear metres to tap off for hydro electric..

      Ho hum…

      1. Here’s a couple of 20th century dams in the US.

        Theodore Roosevelt in Arizona is called an “eggshell” dam because of its shape.

        https://www.desertusa.com/desert-arizona/photos/RooseveltDam-56698.jpg

        Flaming Gorge in Wyoming is similar but a less radical curve

        https://usbr.gov/uc/img/gallery/fgd/images/1.jpg

        I kinda suspect that whoever was in charge of inspection in China was also in charge of construction. Not that China is corrupt or anything.

        1. The eggshell dam is also relatively slim and delicate, which was made possible because of the strength the shape gave it. it has a beautiful curve.

          That guy in Wyoming was a poof though. Didn’t have the courage of his convictions.

  36. @HABD / Sentient

    “ouch!…lol… put into the friend zone… she’ll remember you for sure…lol”

    That was seven days ago and it’s been no contact. She had a bit of a stamp of her feet. Now this text interaction which I need to avoid sliding into save – a – ho. No mention of her new boat or any problems, but it could easily slide.

    Bc @Sentient is pissed I didn’t properly deal with sausage girl, I’m gonna hit this one just so I can continue to show my face in here.

    Text convo today, I’m not gonna be local for at least 10 days.

    https://imgur.com/a/QO3JSZy

    Lemme know what you think.

    1. Palma

      What happened with the Friday night thing? She and her friends?

      From this thread it seems she is already into you so isn’t going to banter too much… You have too much value.

      1. @Sentient

        Nothing happened Friday. She had my number but never used it. Got a coffee Saturday am bc she’s got the only place open and she tried to engage on something or other but I was busy reading stuff I needed to check out so I didn’t engage. From her conversation with other member of staff she didn’t do anything Friday night.

        “From this thread it seems she is already into you so isn’t going to banter too much… You have too much value.”

        Interesting. I threw out 3x sexualisation and she ignored all 3. And I thought that = no interest but it might mean so much DHV she thinks she has no chance so I have to lead. She has self esteem issues anyway.

        1. Yep. You just have to lead and set it up.

          Guys like us like the sassy banter and all, lots of fun, so you lose that with these types. Can he a bit boring.

          But if she’s hot…

    2. So here…

      She’s tries what two or three times to get you to come over…?

      Then keeps the thread going asking about stuff your doing… Compliments your skill…

      Offers up spare paint…

      I think she self deprecates on the playing with yourself thing…

      IDK seems ripe to get together. Issue will be logistics with her kids.

  37. @Sentient

    So here

    “She’s tries what two or three times to get you to come over…?”

    Honestly I only saw the first pass, and still can’t see the second / third

    “Then keeps the thread going asking about stuff your doing… Compliments your skill…”

    Didn’t see that at all, but yes

    “Offers up spare paint…”

    Didn’t recognise that for what it was

    “I think she self deprecates on the playing with yourself thing…”

    Yes. But I didn’t see it in real time. I think she plays with herself a lot. Thinking about what/who exactly 😒

    “IDK seems ripe to get together. Issue will be logistics with her kids.”

    She’s got no kids. But I still won’t have proximity for a couple of weeks at least

    1. Is this the 35 yo with the red lipstick? The bacon sandwich? I thought she had kids.

      1st offer the breakfast beer. 2nd brunch… 3rd was a “I’m all alone here” Gambit.

      Sometimes we are looking past everything for the shit test / angle and blow past openings. Happens, especially if you are used to reving up banter etc.

      Reminds me a a 30 yo is a sexless marriage, had FR on her a bit back. Basically saw her at breakfast a quick chat and a bit of lino, she asked what I’m up to told her I’ll be at XYZ later for lunch. So she just turns up there and comes over and we have a drink and chat and basically she’s offering it up shaking her ass and saying I met her at the right time… She was pissed when I turned her down.

      1. No it’s the 24 yo local bar manager who bought a boat. The one I drove around with and bought one in the end with a broken mast

        1. Ah. My mistake. With that context it does look more like FZ. But you can still bust out. You’ve not really made a move on this one.

  38. Red Pill Dosed

    Last night was another shit Test, The Wife turned around to me and said that she had a dream that I asked her for a divorce. I was in the middle of trying to sneeze when she finished the statement and it took about 10-seconds before I sneezed two or three times. After which I looked at her squarely and stated with a small grin. “You know that I am allergic to divorce.”

    Well that could have been handled better… She was testing and you ended up failing by giving her some reassurance… That YOU are ellergic to divorce…

    What you should have done is laughed and then looked her in the eyes, smiled and said “Darling… I would never ASk you. I’d just do it…” Then slap that ass and walk away whistling…

    And dude it’s not a good look for a married guy to be sitting alone wanking instead of banging his wife. Fix this.

  39. @Red Pill Dosed

    Firstly – I didn’t say rape. And I wouldn’t advocate that. So if she says “no” then you stop. If you do it properly then she’ll badger you for sex.

    But, in the scenario I suggested, she has a lot of of opportunity to call a halt and say no. My point is, if you acted sufficiently dominant and went for what you wanted, she probably wouldn’t say no bc what she actually desires is for you to take the lead and own the relationship and set boundaries.

    So. If you did what I said with confidence then you would probably find she jumped on the situation and banged you like she hasn’t for the past decade.

    “The Feminine Imperitive in the Nanny state of Victoria is a phone call away from a Jail cell.”

    Those jail cells are for betas that can’t create desire in their women. Don’t be one of those.

    “I dont care either way at the moment… plenty of adults sites I can visit.”

    Don’t be that guy. It’ll be coming through in your sub comms, get out there and hit on other women. You’re telegraphing that’s you are optionless and it’s gonna go downhill fast if she continues with that assumption.

    “Only allowed outside your home for 1 hour of exercise a day.”

    Tell me you’re taking that hour? You’re not?

    Then this:

    “Last night was another shit Test, The Wife turned around to me and said that she had a dream that I asked her for a divorce.”

    Which you answered:

    “You know that I am allergic to divorce.”

    Shit test fail. You engaged in her “logic” and You’re conferring value in the status quo. You’re basically saying “yup you can be a stroppy fat mare that’s overspending on the mortgage drawdown and I’ve got so few options I’m gonna put up with it”

    She’s not found a boundary yet so she’ll keep pushing. She’ll draw down on the mortgage again would be my guess (except you’ve blocked now – so she’ll spend some other way). And by a larger amount than before. Because reasons..

    Three ways to pass a shit test:

    Ignore: say nothing

    Reduce to absurdity: “yep, I’m gonna join a hippy commune and sire a dozen more children with peace loving girls with flowers in their hair”

    Agree and amplify: “yep, I’m sick of your fat overspending arse and I can’t wait to get rid of you”

    If it helps, in my (blue pill) marriage I reached the point where I decided that even if she got everything I had it would have been cheaper than have to prop up her bullshit long term. So you could tell her that. Because that’s what petrifies them, that they will be left to fend for themselves long term.

    “The other night she was banging on about used toilet rolls not being put in the bin (shit test). I started laughing at her then turned around and told her that she is complaining about miniscue stuff and walked off.”

    Again you’re giving her a rational reply and she doesn’t want that. It’s not about the toilet rolls, it’s about your lack of frame and dominance.

    How about this:

    Her: “shit, you didn’t put those old toilet rolls
    In the bin”

    You: “I know, that’s women’s work, get your shit together, I won’t tell you again”

    Warning… if you do this it’ll be so out of character that she’ll double the odds in an attempt to get you back in your box so you need to double down on asshole mode when she does.

    “I suspect that she is now dealing with her own dread game.”

    No she’s not bc you’ve told her you’re not leaving. There’s no dread here.

    “in relation to the silent treatment. I have been talking with her in so far as what is needed to keep the house running smoothly.”

    Fuck the house running smoothly. Are you getting what you want from it? I reckon not, aaand You’ve been stocking up on @Captain Spocks “bulk purchase common courtesy”

    “I think it was rollo that said they control the sex engagement.”

    If he did then he’s wrong. I think he said “gatekeeing”, that’s not “control”. This from a woman in seeing yesterday:

    https://imgur.com/a/4AV1dDE

    She might be “the gatekeeper” but she’s not in control. Notice the shit test – “she may have to tie me up for a change”?

    If I played along, yes she would do it, and she’d “enjoy it” so I’d be “giving her what she wants”.

    She’s pushed for that 3-4 times and Apart from the fact I don’t want to do it, if I made the mistake of doing it then bit by bit, she would begin to despise me until the boundaries had moved and she’d be “controlling” the access to sex.

    There are other points there but I’m sure others will chip in.

  40. Redpill dosed

    +1000 on palma and sentients take on this.

    A few suggestions

    Learn to maximize the use of your balls.
    Make and store testosterone to maximum capacity,till you are waking up with a raging boner every morning that is got your balls crawling all the way up the shaft. till you are in roid rage from your own juices and are using self control to keep from violence or shouting. Get horny enough to desire what you have.

    Quit looking at the stage 4 lockdown as limiting and start looking at it as an opportunity.
    Figure out what is essential to theses fools and study this train yourself in these skills. Also first know what is essential to you and figure out how to get this. Push the limits of the lockdown, get as much sun as you can and stay out longer than allowed, travel ,walk further and longer than allowed, insist on driving your wife shopping for her protection. Think of some more ways to push past the limits,this is what men do penetrate explore push boundaries.

    LOL, “I had a dream you asked me for divorce”

    You, ” very perceptive,although waking up alone under a bridge a homeless woman would be a nightmare to most”

    Her “these toilet paper empties laying around, blah blah”

    You ” let me see one” ” grab tis corner of the cardboard,unfurl it and whala you have another full whipe” ” now poke a hole in the center,stick your finger through and after you wipe with your finger clean it with the paper.”

    Being the only man in the house has its perks, it doesn’t have to be oppression. It is up to you to turn it around.

  41. “Last night was another shit Test, The Wife turned around to me and said that she had a dream that I asked her for a divorce.”

    ** actually thinking about it, that’s projection. She’s planing to divorce you.

    1. @PalmASailor, @Sentient, @stuffinbox
      Well Looks Like I have a hell of a lot more to learn and change.

      @PalmASailor
      From my audit of the Loans ingoings and outgoings, The payments were going to her bank acount and also to one credit card. (I have visibility on the card spend as I am also a joint holder. I dont use it as I manage my funds. She use to have more than just the one till I cracked the shits and she had them cancelled. Does she have more that I dont know about? Unknown.

      As mentioned there have been amounts that have been paid back into the loans. She knows that further withdrawls are something that I am not putting up with, I have made my position on that clear to her.

      Have just seen today that she has started initail repayments back. 1k hit my account today so I will be putting that straight into the mortgage. As she gets paid fortnightly I will keep monitoring this. Also keeping a eye on. So In 28 weeks it should be back where it needs to be.

      This is inline with the plan that I sent her in writting. So I am seeing it a positive at this point but I am still keeping an eye on things. If she was planing to divorce me then I don’t think that she would have paid the initial 1k back today. I will still keep an eye on things.

      In relation to marital rape. I know you did not say it. But grabbing her by the hair and dragging her to the room… this would be so out of character for me.

      In the past year there are things that I have been changing.
      Starting my sword collection, (sword collectors licence). Got them in a cabinet next to the Bed.
      Getting my own car, I think that I mentioned it previously. I use to have a 71 celica that was stollen and written off. It was a manual. The car I have purchased is a 2000 model Celica.(manual). She doesnt know how to drive a stick shift. So it is solely mine. I am servicing it and maintaining it.
      I plan to have the paint refreshed with custom additional imagery done to it.
      I bought a 2nd 1990 model Celica that I am also working on with my Cousin. Again I did these things without getting permission. The way I saw it I didnt need to. It was something that I saved up for and could afford so I did it.
      I have also started working with making stuff from leather. Teaching myself how to. (Again something that I have been looking to do). Bought an industrial machine and have built up my supply of leather offcuts so that I have ample material to work on. I wont bore you with the details of stuff I make.
      I have a list of other things I am wanting to achieve as well.

      At one point she complained about my hobbies. I did turn around to her and said.. “So you want me to go to the pubs, get in fights, cheat on you!” She stopped complaining after that.

      I have told her directly in the past that “if you (she) think(s) that you (she) can do better than me (that she) you know(s) where the front door is, but I am not leaving the house and the kids are staying put.”

  42. @Red Pill Dosed

    “But grabbing her by the hair and dragging her to the room… this would be so out of character for me.”

    I’ll make a small adjustment and re read it:

    “But providing a strong and dominant framework that she feels totally safe and secure in… that would be so out of character for me”

    If you look back at the text exchange between me and the woman I’m seeing she says “Fuck I’ve missed your cock this week”

    It’s not true.

    She hasn’t missed my cock, she thinks that she’s missed it but she hasn’t. What she’s missed is the feeling of security she gets when I’m around.

    Then look at her shit test:

    “I may want to tie you up for a change!!”

    She doesn’t want that. Because that would mean she’s responsible, but she’s testing to see if I’m weak enough to fall into the trap of wanting to “submit” to her, or avoid my responsibility which is what that would mean.

    I don’t even have to kick it back that hard with “yer right” bc she knew what the answer would be so it was a lite ping to check my health. To see if I’m still up to it. To see if she can still safely submit to me.

    Do you feeeeel the relief I her voice “ha ha you can tie me up and do as you please instead then”

    And I can do as I please, I can take whatever sex I want from her and she’ll
    Love every
    Moment. But I can only do that because that’s where she feels totally and utterly safe and secure which is in a place where she’s submitting to me. It’s a sub space, and she (all women) crave it.

    Then look at another woman that I was seeing who still texts me. Before you look at the link, I’m 53 soon and 5’6” (which I go on about because I know there are a lot of young men reading here that are very insecure about their height and other stuff – and it BS, they shouldn’t be). I refused exclusivity so she dumped me to try to get it and I agreed we should call it off – not her desired outcome.

    Anyway, Her new bf is 6’2”, eagerly agrees to exclusivity, is at least 10 years younger than me, and prob has a bigger cock than me. They were away on holiday together when she was texting me at 8am on the 14th and she last texted yesterday.

    At 8am on holiday she’d either just banged him, or had rejected his advances. It doesn’t matter, she got a bit of privacy and sent this to me:

    https://imgur.com/a/fT3cSgf

    She says we had the best sex ever. But she’s wrong as well. What she means is that she felt so totally secure that she could submit fully and this resulted in the best sex ever for her.

    It’s a product of millions of years of evolution, not a contract.

    Is this beginning to make any sense?

  43. Red Pill Dosed. ^ this from Palma^ is pure gold^ pay attention!!!!!

    There is a constant barrage of women=> men that becomes 2nd nature.

    This could be why you are offended by her competition (your hobbies) anxiety, you see it as a threat or a diss. What it is ,her solipsism sees competition for dadys time. She believes she is entitled to complain. Complaints go up the chain of command not down.

    There seems to be a feature where women get a dopamine rush for windfall profit. Taking money out of the kitty and putting it where she can spend is a rush for her like the day before her birthday.

    Cool hobbies Dosed, do you fence or street race?

    1. I took what you have been saying on board.

      I failed another shit test at the table. She asked why I “..make so much noise when I get up and then dont even say good bye.” (Fact is that I am quiet as can be)

      I replied with “Thought you didnt want me to say good bye…” Like I said I failed it and I knew it as soon as I spoke the words.
      IT got me angry and riled. I kept my shit together and kept thinking on the best way to deal with the BS.

      Later on that night, (I could not work out the best way to bring up the points so) I got her attention. She had stuck in her headphones, something that she does when she does not want to talk to me. Which further pissed me off , I brought it all to a head and she tried to shut me down by saying “shhh the kids will hear.” I responded louder with I dont care if the kids in the next suberb can hear me. I am pissed and angry and you will shut up and listen for a change…..”

      I called her out on her BS over the last week. On her BS over the last 2 years other BS that she had been pulling in the last 2 decades including on the intentional Ostracisation she has a go at to exclude me from the kids when she is angry at me. She denied it but I kept nailing her on that point and others till she admitted it and them.

      She complained how I my timing and delivery sucked.
      I responded with there is never going to be a good time for it and I wont be changing how I bring it up. I have been that way since day DOT. Again kept on that till she conceded.

      There was complaints that I didnt step up and just do stuff. I yanked her back on that and again nailed her on her constant complaining when I do something to assist when she should be saying thankyou, even if I dont do it the way she would be doing it. “maybe I get that from my old man (Died 2 years ago) seeing as he painted his kitchen purple and had to repaint it white after his defacto wife complained about it.” I pointed out that I did do stuff without her input and her constant complaints resulted in me getting her input, when she should have just acknowledged the assistance and said thankyou, even it it was not done her way. I then pointed out all the stuff I do as well and kept on it till that was conceded by her as well.

      She tried to pull another shit test and say well maybe we should nip it all in the bud and call it day. I didnt let that one slide either and pulled her back on it. words to the effect of since when has saying that resolved anything, I am bringing it all up because it has to be dealt with. I took ownership of being a “weak spinless fucktard.” for not bringing things to a head sooner my words.

      She tried refering to our house as her house. again I pulled her back on that. She tried to defend the slip as semantics but I did not let it slide. She then tried the, “well your pay is going into the mortgage so its your house. Again I pulled her back on the BS and said we are working as a team so it is not just my house it is our house. I am handling the payments as agreed. I had no idea that you were taking money from the mortgage.

      Again she tried to pull back and say that it had been discussed, which I called BS on and again pulled her back on the point. I am managing the mortgage so the redraws are not on.

      I called her on how she has used the threat of Divorce repeatedly. Admitted that yes I am not perfect. I then pointed out that I could behave like all the (Alpha) Arseholes out there and tell her she should be doing this shit or that shit yadayada yada… Then pointed out, I drew her a verbal picture, that she wont find better than me.

      I got her to admit that point as well. After the whole arguement was done. 2 to 3 hours of going at it from about 8-9pm till 11:30pm.

      At this point I could sense and feel that she was looking for some form of emotional anchor. After a minute or so to allow it to sink in. I pointed out to her that I married her for better or worse. “Some reassurance.” Embraced her firmly,

      In Short (working to not be a Beta). Didnt say in those words.

      1. Ahh man, you’re not getting it – someone else is gonna have to step in And try to get through to you but just the first thing:

        “She asked why I “..make so much noise when I get up and then dont even say good bye.””

        Possible answers:

        1) ignore

        2) say “fuck off”

        3). Because the food you cook gives me chronic wind (you smirk)

        4) What are you talking about, shut your legs and stop fanny farting.. (smirk again)

        5) belch and fart loudly again and say “you know you love it” and ignore everything she says after that.

        If she threatens divorce again say:

        “Yep, pack your bags and fuck off”

        then go do something else. That one hour of exercise for instance, but drag it out to three hours and don’t take your watch / phone / timekeeping device with you so plausible deniability about the hour turning into three.

        1. As I mentioned. I knew I screwed the pooch on that Shit test. That is a given.

          Curious on your take on the rest.

          1. Red Pill Dosed.

            “I failed another shit test at the table. She asked why I “..make so much noise when I get up and then dont even say good bye.”

            Could the reason be that you are pussy footing around?

            “(Fact is that I am quiet as can be)”

            Maybe you should act as if it is your house and quit tippytoing,just make the normal noise. Leave the toilet seat up and leave yor stuff around more, hang up your pictures ect.

            “Later on that night, (I could not work out the best way to bring up the points so)”

            Don’t try to reason with a woman, the way to change the way she treats you is to change the way you are acting.
            It is like if you got a dog and trained it for a specific task to follow specific comands. You would not allow your wife or daughters to confuse it with rewards for bad behaviour or tease it for being good,they would need to learn to treat it like you do consistently. This is how you retrain your wife reward good behavior and ignore or punish bad. Just try to sit down and explain to a dog how you want it to act ,same thing ,won’t work.

        2. “Ahh man, you’re not getting it – someone else is gonna have to step in”

          I could step in and comment, as I have a lot of experience in this realm.

          If I weren’t blocked by Rollo, after commenting for five years.

          1. Well, my phone works. I doubt my computer IP addresses do.

            And I’m not making a long-winded SJF comment on my phone…

      2. @Red Pill Dosed

        name three girls in your weekly ‘routine’ that are hotter than your wife… and that you would like to secks up…

        simple question…

        good luck!

    2. No I dont street race but I do have a number of repair manuals for celica’s, hard copy and also digital what I refer to when someone in one of the FB forums needs some advise on a busted bit on their celica. I know enough to replace rotor discs and brake pads on cars. Oil Change etc. If I can you tube it I can work my head around most stuff.

      I was also getting back into martial arts as well before the covid shit kicked in. I have some Sai that I practise with. The 5 swords are all katana’s with one wakishasi. Iwill need either another cabinet or a larger one if I am to keep collecting them.

  44. @Stuffinbox (wahoo?)

    “Taking money out of the kitty and putting it where she can spend is a rush for her like the day before her birthday.”

    I’ve not properly thought this through but as well as being a shit test, I think that constantly buying “little bits of shit” ie “stuff” is filling up the void in her life which should be occupied by a secure anchor.

    She’s spending on constant shit as a proxy for “security”

  45. PalmaSailor, Ya stuffinboxboulderheadwahoomcdanielswahoo

    I worked as casino security for a while. This requires constant profiling. Women gamble differently than Men. Women account for the biggest head count in a casino, they’re more apt to play pure chance games (slots ,raffles ,lottery ) than games of choice (table games,keno,machine poker).
    Women are sexually turned on by these slot machines and are constantly looking at men while they (the women) are playing. Men will be more drawn to games of choice ( blackjack ,poker,keno) where they can change the odds. Dopamine is released in the thrill of the chase for Men for Women it is released in the thrill of receiving a windfall or something for nothing. They don’t even look at money the same way as I do.

    This is her song

  46. @Red Pill Dosed

    I’m going to be otherwise occupied for a few days but I’m stumped as to how to get you any further bc you can’t see it.

    You should reply to @HABD bc he probably has spotted a thread to pull that will get you closer to seeing it:

    “name three girls in your weekly ‘routine’ that are hotter than your wife… and that you would like to secks up…”

    So name them.

    In the meantime there’s other things you haven’t answered like what you’re doing during that hour of permitted exercise (I suspect nothing) and the odd other thing does stand out:

    “The car I have purchased is a 2000 model Celica.(manual). She doesnt know how to drive a stick shift. So it is solely mine.”

    You’re in her frame “manipulating” a situation so that she “can’t” drive it. If you were in your frame you’d buy whatever car you wanted whether she was capable of driving it or not and tell her to butt out, it’s your fucking car so don’t touch it.

    “I kept my shit together and kept thinking on the best way to deal with the BS.”

    No you didn’t, you got riled and she saw it. I’ve told you how to handle shit tests and you either didn’t read what I said or you ignored it:

    Ignore

    Misdirect

    Reduce to absurdity

    1. @HABD, @PalmASailor, @Sentient, @StuffInABox
      Thank-you for your input.

      To be clear I bought the car because I wanted it. For me it had to be a manual, had to be a Celica. I used to drive one previously before marriage, family, house etc. The fact that the wife could only drive an Auto didn’t come into the equation. She wanted me to get an auto. She wanted our daughter to learn in an auto. I flat out told her no on both points.

      The day before I was due to pick up the car which was 890km (about 553miles) away I bought a one way plain ticket to collect the car. I told her I what I was getting it a week before hand but had only confirm pick and final price the night before pick up. I flew out the next morning. Got the car and drove her back home.

      The week just gone, I was working on site. Last week I pulled a muscle in my back. It is better now. Next week back at home. Yes I have been taking the time to exercise.

      The 3 women question. There are three at work. But since lockdown. They have not been in the office. For the last 4 months. Other than that in my weekly routine. None.

      As far as shit tests it is not that I have not paid attention. I have been attempting to recognize it as it happens and respond accordingly. Having it happen infront of my girls I am controlling how I respond.

      Which is why I forced the issue later that night.

  47. Red Pill Dosed.

    You are on the defensive,here and at home. We all want to give you an attaboy buuut you don’t get one for blowing shit out of proportion.

    Have you called your mom lately?

    1. @stuffinbox
      I didn’t think I was under attack here. Just pointed questions being asked and advise being supplied to assist me to shake off the shackles of Gyncentricism.

      Since I have had it out and called the missus out on the numerous things that I have previously let slide (I know that is on me with weak frame, etc). Things in general are better. No shit tests I could pick on.

      Concerning other women, while I notice other women and admire their beauty. There has been opportunities, definately. I don’t Perdue them. Personally for me from a marriage vows view point. I will not hit on or screw other women. This has to do with my own personal honour code. If I got divorce, then it is game on so to speak.

      1. Red Pill Dised. I see what you did there.

        “I didn’t think I was under attack here. Just pointed questions being asked and advise being supplied to assist me to shake off the shackles of Gyncentricism.”

        Shake em off. Rule 1 dont take anything personal.

        “Since I have had it out and called the missus out on the numerous things that I have previously let slide (I know that is on me with weak frame, etc). Things in general are better. No shit tests I could pick on.”

        It’s been a whole 24 hrs with no ST’s? HT you shook her frame. She may reframe and ST soon enough,probably in front of the kids again otherwise whats the point? How are you going to handle it?

        “Concerning other women, while I notice other women and admire their beauty. There has been opportunities, definately. I don’t Perdue them. Personally for me from a marriage vows view point. I will not hit on or screw other women. This has to do with my own personal honour code. If I got divorce, then it is game on so to speak.”

        Is it a maxim that “women want to be with a man that other women want to be with”? This would suggest that a man having options would make him more desirable to his wife! To a married man that doesn’t get IOI’s from the wife any IOI looks like an opportunity, you will never know until you game those “opportunities”. Game isn’t cheating,it is options,having options makes you attractive. Exercising those options could cause problems as well as not having any options does cause problems.

  48. @PalmaSailor Red Pill Dosed

    then go do something else. That one hour of exercise for instance, but drag it out to three hours and don’t take your watch / phone / timekeeping device with you so plausible deniability about the hour turning into three.

    the FI is cunning AND pervasive… you don’t need plausible deniability at any time… and it works better if you just ignore her trying to impose her frame on you…

    and this ties into the name the 3 girls exercise…

    The 3 women question. There are three at work. But since lockdown. They have not been in the office. For the last 4 months. Other than that in my weekly routine. None.

    interesting names…lol… you don’t have to use their real names if it’s an issue of doxxing… and how about when you are out running around on errands for the last month…

    good luck!

  49. PSA…

    i was worried for a while that the commie insurgency here (in the us) was gaining traction (it was…)… but here’s an update on the soon to be collapse of that insurgency… it usually takes a while to process through buuut…

    the mocking has started…lol…

    and once that inflection point is reached, it’s really hard for an insurgency to pivot back to ‘we’re scary and dangerous!!!’…lol… (not impossible but it’s exponentially difficult…)

    pretty good too…

    and props to the Kenosha Kid…lol

    and released about a DAY after the shooting… THAT’S some fast turn-around for a parody…lol

    good luck!

    1. @HABD

      “the mocking has started…lol…”

      The shit test has been dealt with by “reducing to absurdity” huh?

      “and once that inflection point is reached, it’s really hard for an insurgency to pivot back to ‘we’re scary and dangerous!!!’…”

      Well once someone laughs at you, you’ve either got to piss or take your pot home and…….

      So that’s why the lefty / woke brigade are trying to shut down humour so aggressively. Once everyone is laughing at them it’s over.

    2. To the tune of Bohemian Rapsody by QUEEN.

      My own parody…

      Rittenhouse Rapsody

      Is this the real life?
      This is just Anarchy
      Black Lives Matter RIOTS
      They lost grip on reality
      Open your eyes
      Look up all the lies and see
      I’m just a poor boy, I need no sympathy
      Because I’m easy come, easy go
      Aim little high, little low
      Anyway the crowd goes, doesn’t really matter to me, to me

      Mama, just killed a man
      Aimed a gun towards his head
      Pulled my trigger, now he’s dead
      Mama, he was a paedophile
      And now I’ve gone and blown his brains away
      Mama, ooh
      Little kids dont need to hide
      This rockspider will not be back tomorrow
      Carry on, carry on, safe streets are all that matters

      Too Late, there’s more to come.
      A wife beater now this time.
      Muzzles flashing for this rhyme
      Goodbye you scumbag you’ve got to go.
      Damn my aim was off, my dad will hit the roof
      Mama, ooh (anyway the wind blows)
      I know that he should die.
      I really wish he’d never been born at all

      I see a little silhouetto of a man
      Scaramouch, scaramouch its a violent home invader
      Muzzle flashes i’m firing very very frightening me
      Gallileo, Gallileo
      Gallileo, Gallileo
      Gallileo Figaro, magnifico

      I’m just a poor boy, these assholes hate me
      He’s just a poor boy from a poor family
      He was protecting civil property

      Easy come easy go, will you let me go
      Democrats! No we will not let you go, let him go
      Democrats! We will not let you go, let him go
      Democrats! We will not let you go, let me go
      Will not let you go, let me go (never)
      Never, never, never, never, never let me go
      No, no, no, no, no, no, no
      Oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia let me go
      Beelzebub has a Biden put aside for me
      For me
      For me

      So you think you can stop me and spit in my eye
      So you think you can love me and leave me to die
      Oh, baby, can’t do this to me, baby
      Just gotta get out, just gotta get right outta here

      Ooh yeah, ooh yeah

      Freedom really matters
      Anyone can see
      Freedom really matters Freedom really matters to me

      Anyway the wind blows

  50. @HABD

    ^^ what he would say to her didn’t even cross my mind, I was thinking of what he’d say to the judge if he found himself there bc of over zealous law enforcement.

    Being a judge is pinnacle blue pill “game”

  51. @Everyone: advice wanted… An interesting logistics situation sort of landed on my lap.

    I offered a place to stay to a couple (M-F) who will be visiting from another city, on their camper van. I’m friends with them, closer to the guy. Some other people from that city’s social circle are also joining (without a camper van) so the guy basically suggests “Target M and Target R could stay with you? You get along well with Target M.” Indeed, we get along well and she is quite frisky so I’m fine with that. I don’t know the other one. Target M calls me and we talk about it and she goes “Is it ok if Target R’s twin sister joins?” I go “… Identical twins?” “Yes” (I could hear her smile on the phone :P) I start chuckling “Maybe this is a bit too much, uh? Ahah. It is fine, you can come”. She asks if she should bring something and I say “Humm… Bring sleeping bags, maybe also towels, it will help”.

    So… I will have Target M which I totally want to bang and two twins which are highly likely both hot, staying at my place for a couple of days.
    There is also a party on the weekend. It is at Mr. T’s place (N=3 and N=5 will be in attendance as well; N=3 already met Target M before). At the party the girls will likely get a bit buzzed but I’m not sure they (or me) are coming back to my place to sleep after the party or if everyone ends up pulling an all night or crashing there.
    So to avoid the uncertainty I think the best time to make a definite move is one of the nights before the party.

    Clearly, the perfect situation is 4-some with identical twins, but that will arguably be trickier to pull-off.
    I would be very happy to bang “just” Target M, but of course given that the twins will be in principle around, there is some cockblocking element involved. It is better there are two twins than just one of them though, 3-sets are easier than 2-sets…

    A tactic that I thought of is to lead things such that the twins sleep on the spare room on the twin bed (pun intended) and I lead Target M to sleep on my big bed “with the sleeping bag” (I can even go “it will be like sharing a big tent, it’s fine and it will be more comfortable”, or something like that). Not 100% isolation but plausible deniability – although I’m pretty sure if we bang they will hear something in the next room 😛
    Another specific tactic would be to get the twins to go shop for some food for dinner and keep Target M around in isolation.

    Obviously I have to be gaming all of them, and then at some stage need to escalate (if things are going well). Possible DHV’s are Palma’s classic “DHV by cooking” which has worked well in the past and other stuff including strong eye contact, some kino… Usual stuff but has to be pulled off well.

    Ideas and opinions are most welcome. It is going to be fun and good practice regardless.

    1. Damn lost my comment.

      Anyhow – have to lolz. This is the N1 guy now planning foursomes. With identical twins yet!

      [Tips hat]

      What’s your interaction with M been? One possible weakness in your plan is by designating a bed you telegraph interest. Maybe just say something like “you’ll figure it out” and leave it open.

      Otherwise… You have a captive audience. Game on. Be your sexy self, work those jealousy plot lines and any preselection and above all when the time comes lead lead lead…

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOcas4K61c

      To the victor the spoils…

      Also have plenty of easy drinking wine on hand and watch out for party crashers…

  52. @IAS

    Don’t labour the sleeping arrangements, just tell them all to “bring a sleeping bag or something” – like you haven’t given it any thought…

    As sentient said – get some wine in, and don’t underestimate their capacity, most women can down a bottle and it won’t touch the sides, so three bottles and get it cold.

    Also get some stuff in like strawberries that you can cook (flambe) late night with some vanilla ice cream. So you need some brandy and sugar as well.

    Give you an excuse to bounce from Mr. T’s – “I’ve got some desert at home etc..”

    Then you can play to the audience in the kitchen and see where you get your IOI’s from etc…

    1. @StuffInBox
      Sorry but didn’t understand what you were getting at.

      Earlier in Relation to Red Pill Dised… it was a typo on my end. But it happens….

      As a quick update. Things in the house are definitely better. I feel more in control than being manipulated. (IE being a simp).

      Again thank you for the input/ feedback etc.

      I haven’t been challenged with any further shit tests.

      I will keep in mind the 3 rules And maintain the control.

      Ignore:
      Reduce To Absurdity:
      Agree And Amplify:

      I know that there is more to it but this is a start.

  53. @Everyone: Update.

    Twin sister not coming for now (maybe joins later on the weekend but not to my place). Target M and Target R are not staying at my place after the party. 2-set is trickier. Anyway…

    First night, lots of sex related talk with both of them. I’m laying in the guest bed with the 2 of them and such. Target R is more “accidentally touching” me at times when I’m in the middle of them talking about whatever, some eye contact with both etc.

    Got to massage Target M (started just before Target R went for her shower), mentioned Target R was next and then it was my turn and Target M even went “oh you are getting a 4-hand massage”. So it is going quite well…

    But then Target R comes out of the shower, I’m still massaging Target M which by now is face down without bra, and Target R grabs some kind of task to do and I didn’t manage to stop that. I opted to get Target M to massage me (she got dressed again). There is funny bit as I offer to help put her bra on and they make fun that they do it in the back easier than us (men) in the front (fastening bras 😉 ). And I go “Let’s see” and open the bra easily and fasten it back on easily.

    So I get a quite nice massage from Target M for a good while, but at the end of it Target R is still doing whatever else and I just call it quits and go to my bed to sleep.

    In hindsight I should have suggested Target M to come give me the massage in my room and leave Target R in the guest room working on whatever.

    I have one more night and after that several hours at the beach to make some more progress.
    Comments and advice are welcomed of course.

  54. @IAS

    Lots of windows and no walls. Why no leading? Push it forward until you sense a wall, then solve that puzzle.

    What if R simply gave you some space to close M?

    They’re waiting for you to lead. How will a sleepover with a topless massage look like after the fact? Ghey friend. Don’t disappoint them. You CAN bang one at a time lol.

    Why are you holding back?

    Go on you sexy beast.

    1. Concur…

      Sometimes you get in your head a strategy or a way to go about something and you try and fit everything into that paradigm… And miss what is happening in front of you.

      Also a bush in the hand is worth two… Elsewhere.

      You could have escalated on topless M while the other was in the shower?

      “Turn over”…

  55. Great red pill movie – Latin Lovers (1953)

    They knew what was up then.. including the sham of therapy (lol)… worth watching, especially the grandfather. Great lines.

  56. @IAS

    You know these things need to be led.

    Both of those women could have been sat there in that room thinking “damn I want to get fucked by @IAS while [other girl] is sucking my nipples and fingering my arse”

    The reddit forums are full of women that can hardly control their urge for sex and are lusting after men in the street.

    Buuuuuut dammit, they’re not gonna say it are they, and they just WILL NOT bust a move, that’s your job Charlie Brown!

    There should have been an escalation when one left the room, then the escalation to the noisy bang which you make fun of and shout to the other to “come join you”.

    Ok, that’s in hindsight with me sitting here, but any derivative of that would have been worth a go.

    Any move is better than no move, and you won’t get shamed by trying AS LONG as you own it, and DONT back off and apologise if you funk it.

    When I fail with bat to the fence which is what the above needed I never back off on it.

    Nah… “I wanted to hit on you and I did. If you blow me off another girl gets lucky. Ciao Bella.. x.”

    That approach..

  57. So bored and out for dinner on my own

    I never get caught in the HB rating hamster wheel but this waitress was a solid 9, and no kidding. She had the run of the place, but no real self esteem, and no plan in life at all.

    Challenged her to tell me a joke, which was a no way, she didn’t know one, so she went off to ask the others and they didn’t know one either.

    Just posting here for observations really. I went cold on it when the age came up = same as my son, but was a bit of fun.

    https://clyp.it/kk3iyibq

  58. @Everyone: Update on the sleepover targets.

    I didn’t close, and that night was pretty much the opportunity. You are of course right, there were windows.
    In hindsight (and after further interaction with both in other days), Target R was the correct target and I set up the wrong order in the showers as I should have had isolation with her instead of with Target M.

    Still, I had the opportunity to attempt a make-out with Target M and if I get shot down so be it; and I didn’t go for it. Some small technical details I could have done and didn’t – pushing for the topless earlier (as it was, it was nearly before the other got out of the shower), pushing toward relocating for receiving my massage in my own bed for a bit more isolation, etc.

    IRL asks why I was holding back – I’m pretty sure I have some fear of blowback to the social circle if I mess up.

    Pretty sure at least Target R was quite horny and interested in me.

    In the beach etc. there wasn’t that much opportunity for anything.

    N=3 outright asked me if they were staying with me at some stage, which I interpret as some of the “chemistry” between Target M and R and me was triggering some pre-selection.

    Minor details about the party, I did very well there, and I had a quite a solid number close where the girl was really very attracted to me. I’m following it up, although the logistics to get her from where she is staying (with a male friend) to my place are outright terrible.

  59. I got some really good advice here, when I had a ONEitis about one girl some months ago.

    I know this isn’t a field report, but which lecture would you recommend, aside from Rollo’s books?

    I have:

    All three books of Rollo (++)
    Neil Strauss – The Rules of the Game (+)
    Carl Adaugeo’s Gendernomics – Building Value (+++)
    Models – Attract Women through honesty (purple stuff) (+)
    Tripp Kramer – Magnetic (purple, but not that bad) (+)
    Bruce Bryans – What wome want in a man (++)
    Jim Wolfe – The happiest man in Hollywood (maybe this is purple, but it seems to be the best to me) (+++)
    Jordan Peterson: 12 Rules of Life – An Antidote to Chaos (++)
    Robert Glover: No more Mr. Nice Guy (++)

    Any other recommendations? Something missing?

    What do you think about about
    Christopher Canwell: Atomic Attraction
    Corey Waybe: How to be a 3% Man
    Robert Glover: Dating Essentials for Men: The Only Dating Guide You Will Ever Need
    GS Youngblood: The Masculine in Relationship: A Blueprint for Inspiring the Trust, Lust, and Devotion of a Strong Woman

    Other books you would recommend for sure?

    Thank you very much, guys!

    1. Agree with Palma and Sentient on Mystery.

      Then go and make 100 approaches. It’s not difficult to do even wearing a mask, if that’s required in your zone.

      Do not overthink.

  60. @wondering

    Theres game by heartiste that’s worth a look.

    Apart from that, depending on your desired outcome you may be falling into the trap of too much reading, not enough doing.

    1. You should read Mystery Method. Other than that I’m with Palma. You’ve covered all the reading how is the real world going?

  61. Lol

    At a spot where there used to be an early 20s flirty girl. Asked where she’s been. They say she is back at school. I’m thinking college. They say no she’s 15 she’s back in high school… 🏫

    Some lucky high school guys…

  62. @HABD / Sentient / others

    So my son has been more and more engaged since we’ve bought the boat.

    it’s been an eventful journey and I had to bring the boat back on the first leg on my own and I’ve been checking in with my son at various stages.

    First day was planned at about 8 hours sailing / 40 – 50 nautical miles sailing which is a heavy day single handed.. but anyway….

    So the weather was scheduled to be good and 90% of the journey was brilliant until the last 10% when very bad weather moved in, it was very much ahead of the forecast.

    This wouldn’t usually have been a problem except some rigging blew on the mainsail so It became very difficult / almost impossible to control, and I couldn’t reef it. To cut a long story short it flew back against me, hit me on the head and then I was knocked into and smashed the navigation system display in the cockpit.

    So then I started to puke.. etc… but the problem was that I couldn’t tell what my speed over ground was, or my precise location, except that there was a lighthouse and some rocks about a mile to port. So I’m kicking the shit out of the diesel trying to get to the marina and I don’t know if I’m making any speed over ground. I go on like this for a couple of hours until I decide that it’s a dumb thing to continue with. I could carry on until I’ve got no diesel, or get an engine fault and I’m gonna be in the rocks.

    So swallow my pride and call mayday on channel 16. The next problem is that they want to know where I am and because I’ve destroyed the nav repeater which gives my location, I don’t know. There is another read out downstairs but the writing is too small for me to read without my glasses and they’re somewhere in the puke and mess down below bc I’ve dropped them in the drama.

    I finally get my location to them and I’m recovered, and towed back in to the marina that I was heading for. I arrive to rapturous applause from about 15 yachties stood at the dockside. It seems they get their fun from monitoring CH16.. and have turned out complete with a bottle of whisky (for me) to welcome [take the piss] out of me.

    So I tell my son all this except the recovered bit and he’s getting more and more chatty.

    I do the repairs and we move on to the second leg of getting the boat back, and on that leg we get another couple of small failures which is really down to me not knowing the boat. I talk this through with him as well and he gives me a bit of a bollocking for being “dumb”.

    Fast forward to yesterday and I’ve come back home for a few days and I need to go to London for something. So I call him and say that I’m going up and does he want to catch up. He says yes.

    Later I’m on my way and call and suggest we get food, and he says that he can’t bc mum has cooked something, but he says he wants to meet to chat.

    Half hour he calls back and says that after all he would like to eat and can we go to xyz place. Which we can.

    So I collect him and we get on our way and he is talking constantly. Honestly he’s not been as engaged and animated for at least 2 years. He’s all over everything, has decided on his career, is seeing a girl, is doing driving test.. etc..

    So there’s been a complete 180 turnaround and I have no idea what has been the cause. But it’s totally changed.. and what’s more he wants to catch up again “next time I’m around”

    So I really had gone through a stage of wondering if that would ever happen.

    Thanks to you various guys in here who told me to keep the faith..

    1. Awesome man. And that really didn’t take long did it.

      Re the boat – amazing how one little thing going wrong can set if a cataclysmic chain of events…

      1. He probably sees his mom’s bs more clearly but still doesn’t want to rock the boat too much at home, so I’d avoid any situation where he’s forced to choose in the near term and just keep enjoying things and building that bond.

        1. Definately Keep the lines of communication open with your son. Let him know that you are there for him should he need you. Sounds like he has your contact number, email, etc. Children will always need their fathers. They also see the crap that goes on in the house and tend to work out, even if they dont feel they have a voice, who causes the problems.

          Keep the lines of communication open with your kids, always.

          The big thing that I have seen on some of the father divorced groups is the amount of misandry that is levelled at men and boys and goes unchecked due to the Gynocentric systems in place.

    2. @PalmaSailor

      sorry to hear about your boating ‘adventures’…lol..

      get that head injury looked into… concussions are not to be taken lightly… not kidding… puking is a symptom… and brain swelling is BAD… <— note the all CAPS…

      I finally get my location to them and I’m recovered, and towed back in to the marina that I was heading for. I arrive to rapturous applause from about 15 yachties stood at the dockside. It seems they get their fun from monitoring CH16.. and have turned out complete with a bottle of whisky (for me) to welcome [take the piss] out of me.

      they sound like they’ve been there…lol… nice of them to console you with a bottle of feel-good…lol… they sound like good folks…

      props on your son’s turn-around…

      So I collect him and we get on our way and he is talking constantly. Honestly he’s not been as engaged and animated for at least 2 years. He’s all over everything, has decided on his career, is seeing a girl, is doing driving test.. etc..

      So there’s been a complete 180 turnaround and I have no idea what has been the cause.

      this popped out for me…

      So I tell my son all this except the recovered bit and he’s getting more and more chatty.

      I do the repairs and we move on to the second leg of getting the boat back, and on that leg we get another couple of small failures which is really down to me not knowing the boat. I talk this through with him as well …

      telling your son about your life is sharing yourself… that makes it easier for him to share back… (i have some issues with this with my own son… ie i don’t do it nearly enough…)

      +1 on @Sentient’s advice…

      good luck!

  63. @Sentient

    “He probably sees his mom’s bs more clearly”

    It’s difficult to be more specific in this place but just turning up to the house It’s clear there’s stuff going on where she’s getting uptight about all sorts of minutiae.. / and I mean really uptight.

    Stuff no one would get uptight about if they were getting laid properly and had a more whole view of life.

      1. @Red Pill Dosed

        “I think he would probably benefit from it”

        No he wouldn’t.

        He knows what a shit test is and I think he’s doing his own lurking around the manosphere.

        He’s sorted his diet and he’s lifting, plus I think he’s getting what he wants from girls right now so I’m going to taper him in.

        True understanding of their nature is too ugly for him to confront right now, he has to see some of the positives before the negatives, and he has to understand the “why” behind their nature in order to forgive them for it whilst accepting that his burden of performance is the price that must be paid to get what you want from them on your own terms.

        All of that against the brainwashing of the FI.

        Too much too soon and he’ll just reject it wholesale.

        1. Completely understand and respect your stance and reasoning. It sounds like you have imparted some knowledge to him verbally in any case. Which is as it should be from father to son.

          Wishing you and yours the best for the future.

  64. Palma

    Stuff no one would get uptight about if they were getting laid properly and had a more whole view of life.

    It always seems to come back to this. They need male attention and boundary setting and structure and leading.

    So my wife is in the big M now and between that and kid stuff and Covid propaganda has been bitchy this weekend. Classic meta shit test. So I just split yesterday for six hours at one of the places you can be and drink. Then watched the NHL game. Came back and she is “asleep”. She was furious with me earlier I the day mind you.

    But she is tossing and turning. I go to sleep. A few hours later she is still tossing and it’s clear she’s trying to demonstrate she is “awake” but not so much to make it obvious. But it’s obvious. So I roll over to her and of course she is all fired up and after drifts off…

    And today shes pleasant as a plum. All the strive of the last few days gone and forgotten.

    Si gle mom’s would be murder to live with as a teen boy. Abuse.

    1. @Sentient
      ” A few hours later she is still tossing and it’s clear she’s trying to demonstrate she is “awake” …”

      Yes I know that particular play from my wife…. I got jack of it and called her out on the shit and didnt let her wriggle out of fessing up on her shit. (Stuff that I had let slide for way too many years. Which was on me for being a limp dick, not willing to deal with confrontation).

      Lesson I learned was if there is an issue confront them with it.

    2. @Sentient

      “So my wife is in the big M now and between that and kid stuff and Covid propaganda has been bitchy this weekend.”

      Looking back, my wife was going through that as well and the shit testing accelerated very hard coinciding with that.

      “She was furious with me earlier I the day mind you.”

      Furious is good. Indifferent would be bad.

      As a side note pertinent to a conversation up thread which was in relation to women’s attraction to Alpha regardless of them being shit humans, @asa told me a story of a woman with her booooy friend on a train recently.

      She had a book on the train table between her and her bf about serial killers that she was discussing energetically with him.

      Unbeknown to her bf, she had her skirt hitched up had no knickers on and had her legs open and was fingering herself with the objective that @asa watched her from the angle he was sitting.

      Her bf was oblivious.

  65. @Sentient

    “She was furious with me earlier I the day mind you”

    Well.. that’s down to her. As long as you’re getting your cold beer!

    1. Good on him. I think it was a fantastic Idea. for all the reasons that he mentioned. Interestingly he also got a number of applicants from outside his state.

      Thanks for the post. it was a good read.

  66. Actual field report…

    I get the occasion hit from young women online but they rarely go anywhere. Most seem to get cold feet and run away after a while. So in the meantime I practice on young SBs and get my jollies in that way…

    Recently got a match on Hinge – a 25yo black girl (a bit heavier than what I like but what the heck – I’m 61). We joke around a bit about how she only wears black but in one of her photos she’s wearing a blue mask. So I say she needs a black one… I joke about getting some with giant monster teeth once my blue ones get used up then we slide into hardships of covid times yada yada. I’d post the screen shots but it’s too much work. The whole interaction is not more than 6 screens on an iphone5.

    I ask if she’s up to meeting people in real life and she’s into it so we plan a drink the next night at some bar. We meet up the next night and I just basically make fun of her facial expressions and just joke joke around for a while. My profile states 45 but I usually always tell them my real age. They’re always so amazed how remarkably well-preserved I am. I’m kinoing her from across the table (i know – not the best situation), inspecting fingernails and various other little things. I play the energy-vampire joke that I suck the energy out of young girls in order to stay young (they always love that) – grab both her hands and stoke/milk them of energy. She grabs on too and basically doesn’t let go for the rest of the night.

    A good-night kiss/smooching when dropping her off at her place is readily accepted but I don’t push it. I Invite her over to my place for supper the next night…

    I pick her up the next night and she’s sporting a sexy tight black velvet dress. Young girls usually don’t have their own wheels so I volunteer to pick them up. No big deal for me. More joking, eating, and a wee bit of drinking. We move to the tv room to watch The Boys on Amazon Prime (which is fucking awesome – a must watch!) and we continue to joke/kiss as we go. She really doesn’t seem to want to take it further but she let’s slips that she’s not wearing any panties. They play games with themselves like this but as usual it’s not what they say it’s what they do.

    Of course my hands wander eventually to under her dress and pretty soon she’s bent over the living room table with a couple of my fingers in a place a don’t need to name here and her moaning. I direct her to the bedroom where we stay until the next morning. I plow her twice that night and twice more the next morning in between working online. Cialis helps this old fart.

    This particular girl dates only older white guys. As Blackdragon reports, there is a percentage of young women who prefer older. It’s just a matter of meeting them and not scaring them off.

    The SBs I’ve been playing with (there’s been about 15, bunch of one-nighters) really help with my attitude and confidence level. The basic problem now is proximity, especially in times of covid. Cold-approach in non-nightclub settings is the next mountain to cross…

  67. Oh and congrats to Palma for finally getting results for his patience about his son. Good job!

    My youngest daughter who’s 20 just never, never texts/calls me. But when we do meet up she’s great and funny. Hopefully one day she’ll hold up her end of the relationship.

  68. @IAS

    IRL asks why I was holding back – I’m pretty sure I have some fear of blowback to the social circle if I mess up.

    If your goals don’t scare you, they’re not big enough, right?

    Pretty sure at least Target R was quite horny and interested in me.

    What’s the female equivalent of blue balls and dick in hand again? Lol

    All good and fun, man.

    1. @IRL: It was good and fun and I’m pretty sure N=3 felt the pre-selection.
      I should have made a more deliberate move on Target R though. Next time she is around I’ll start from the beginning and see where I can take it.

      I’m happy that I’ve done two cold/warm approaches in the gym. This worried me more in the past as even though the gym is a semi-sexual zone, it isn’t a bar and I don’t want trouble at my gym.

      I opened them and number closed them. First was just passing by, the window was short and she flaked (warning me that she couldn’t make it) on meeting on the same night and then she left the next day. Second was just this week but she is local, I’ll see if she shows up for an activity this week.

      1. @IAS
        I’m happy that I’ve done two cold/warm approaches in the gym. This worried me more in the past as even though the gym is a semi-sexual zone, it isn’t a bar and I don’t want trouble at my gym.

        I opened them and number closed them. First was just passing by, the window was short and she flaked (warning me that she couldn’t make it) on meeting on the same night and then she left the next day. Second was just this week but she is local, I’ll see if she shows up for an activity this week.

        Pulling left and right nowadays huh? Nice. Keep us posted and have fun!

  69. @DisgruntledEarthling

    I’m 61

    Nice, I remember that.

    The basic problem now is proximity, especially in times of covid. Cold-approach in non-nightclub settings is the next mountain to cross…

    Sooo…. when are you building a system… where they come to you… with their friends… and you just choose the ones you want… because there are too many? lol

    Look at this in business terms. At the moment, you’re still a freelancer. You did quit your 9-5 slog (aka bluepill) and found a way to make money without the man. But your entrepreneurship hasn’t set you free. Your small business is still a demanding job that consumes your energy without a $100M exit strategy. When you stop working your ass off (aka swiping), your pipeline dries out. There’s no infrastructure in place to make your brand visible and deliver your services at scale, without trading your time for results.

    What you need is a system that you can scale and which works for you without your constant effort of swiping for prospects in a small pond.

    A party house, a club, a yacht, a hotel, an agency… whatever… you choose. But think bigger than cold approach and flicking your phone’s clit at night.

    Build a brand and make happy customers bang (lol) to your door with social proof and new prospects.

    Build a lifestyle that works for you and attracts what you want.

    How? Give them what they want, offer value, make things happen in their lives. “Love in the time of corona”… lol

    https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/ap_17271130416030-382a62bb-2d75-4fff-b138-a7c1b5e458ab.jpg

  70. @IRL

    re: changing lifestyle…. yeah, that’s a tough one. I”m at retirement age and could in fact retire tomorrow but my software work pays too much to quit. That’s my dilemma – how much do I want to risk my future retirement compared to how much do I want to get laid.

    I do have plans to extend myself out of my 9-5 cubicle (working from home until at least January though). I’ve got a buddy with a sailboat who also resides in Thailand so I have the potential of working from there for up to 3 months at a time. He’s not in the tourist area and speaks Thai and basically enjoys himself immensely with the local women. Not sure if I’m into Asian girls though…

    I am looking to pick up a 2-person sailboat soon to brush up on my sailing skills. Maybe upgrade to something with a cabin a bit later on. My motorcycling endeavour is mostly self-isolating (I do enjoy it though). I’m meeting far less people that way than I thought I would.

    I do have enough skill to perhaps teach at a local college. But preparing courses and facing/speaking to the public is daunting. Not sure how long I would last in that milieu before being accuse of some sort of sex crime.

  71. @IRL

    I understand the premise – become a social party animal. That just seems a one-size-fits-all solution that doesn’t necessarily care over to most men. Hugh H didn’t overnight become surrounded by golddigging hoes. He built his empire starting in his 20’s.

    I’m not sure becoming a party animal after a lifetime of being a cubile-drone is possible. There’s got to be a middle ground somewhere

    1. Disgruntled

      IRL is killing it… And you’re right there is a middle ground.

      But it still involves getting out and around girls as a first step then merging them into your social circle.

      Mystery called it Level Five game.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2bBk2gd1Kfk

      So for you a middle ground might be moving to an area with better access to things like coffee shops, yoga places, parks, cool bars and restaurants…

      Then LIVING your life with some purpose.

      Morning – go to the cool coffee place every day. Open the young hotties and just be cool and vibe. Don’t stress picking them up. You want to leverage these girls throughout the area – pawns and pivots are almost as good as bangs.

      Lunch – hit the park where the hotties eat. Open all of them. Same as above. Cool social guy with a slight edge.

      Happy Hour – rotate through a handful of cool spots in the area. Become a regular, build up that social capital. You will probably start seeing some overlap of hotties from the other places. Now things can start getting more direct but still take it easy. Work the room, the staff the managers. Be fun. Have fun.

      Dinner and on – same thing but with another set of bars and restaurants. Now you should start seeing a lot of overlap. If you have a dozen or more places you frequent you will start seeing the service industry girls around and you are warm to them. Great pivots if you can’t pull them. Again always looking to establish social capital and the big picture. But now you also have the option of pulling back to your close by place, friends of friends, curious onlookers… Have that reason – better drink, Palma’s strawberries 999…

      Lastly have the weekend activity you can invite them too. Beach, pool, boat, bike etc. Merge it.

      And all you’ve really done is have three squares and a few drinks a day, which you would have had anyway. Except now you are out and social and building instead of cracking a can and eating a cheese sandy solo while idly swiping …

      Couple of months is all you need to make the transition.

    2. @Disgruntled

      “I’m not sure becoming a party animal after a lifetime of being a cubile-drone is possible. There’s got to be a middle ground somewhere”

      That cubicle drone is in your head. Anything is possible, you don’t need “middle ground”

  72. @DisgruntledEarthling

    I understand the premise – become a social party animal.

    Not quite. You see a party, I see a system.

    Ignore the high energy party element. Change the environment, make it all aligned with your own style. Keep it low key if you like. @Sentient gave you a great example.

    You could become a boudoir photographer for instance. Like this sexy super fit alpha stud Adam that gets girls to happily pose naked: https://www.adamnorton.com/gallery (spice it up with Attraction Comfort Seduction and voila)

    Specific methods and style are really up to you and limited by your imagination. The underlying principles are still the same. Level 5 game.

    Yes, it will require work. Tweaking on the go and adapting. Building the ecosystem ground up. Creating a network and brand. Overcoming the old “cubile-drone” habits and honing those social skills.

    It’s up to how badly you want to change your current routines to something different. “Yes and…” vs “yes but…”

  73. Saw this her day. Really couldn’t believe it. Going through the park there is a couple taking pictures in front of a sculpture.

    Guy taking phone pics of a woman. Guy is 40’s muscular black dude. His T shirt – believe me – says “Alpha”…

    The woman is similar age, black woman, wearing some revealing top, no bra under, big hair. About 25 lbs overweight.

    Guy takes some clips, she goes and looks, some commentary ensues evincing displeasure on Madam’s part. She gets back to posing and he snapping, presumably with corrections made…

    I suspect these were to be used at some point on her social dating apps… Lol

    An “Alpha” instagram BF… Look at his shirt if ya don’t believe me 😂 😂🤣

    1. Honestly that shot is everywhere here. I went through a stage of photographing it but it’s so common I gave up on it.

      Bloody boring in here, anyone getting hold of any women?

      1. Honestly that shot is everywhere here

        In the “Alpha” T shirt? I did think of taking the pic, it was so perfect for an RT essay.

        Bloody boring in here, anyone getting hold of any women?

        Indeed. I’m really getting bored, still not normal here…

  74. Bit of lite gossip from the politically influenced dating scene.

    It’s the same here that lefty women would presume that no one on the right wing could be attractive never mind dateable. Plus there’s been the assumption that they, the lefty women are the ones holding the “choice” card.

    But his guy flipped the script, he’s a Trump supporter and he’s dumped her bc she’s a democrat / lefty.

    Note she says she wouldn’t have dated him in the first place, but now… boohoo..

    I don’t think those tears are for him, I think subconsciously she can’t reconcile that a desire able man has held her to account over her beliefs and has dumped her for them. She thought she was the one with the luxury of choice, but no.

    Alpha widow.

    https://i.imgur.com/Qmnjjc5.png

    1. Harry and Meghan

      He doesn’t speak for most of us over here

      These days he doesn’t even speak for himself.

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