For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
@Sentient / HABD . So .. secret society game.. . In theory they share their fuckbois right? So the question is how to leverage that.. . So today I got the text and she came over. . https://imgur.com/a/fMCH5R2 . Straight to the bedroom, no conversation. . Afterwards I fancied the strawberries I had in the fridge but she wasn’t interested. We stayed in bed for an hour drinking water and talking shit then she went. Not even a glass of wine / a cup of tea.. nil.. it was all about the cock. Actually not the cock, it was all… Read more »
Palma
Secret society works until they catch feelz and want to be proprietary.
So…
The main question is how do I get hold of the other nurses in the background.. any ideas?
Tell her to bring a friend over. You want to have a party.
@Sentient
Damn. So obvious I didn’t even think about that.
@PalmaSailor @HABD I’m gonna have to check up on US news. But I only get it via zero hedge – and I don’t even believe them most of the time. . that’s the spirit!!!…lol… . not much actual non-narrative sh*t (complete, non-spun reality) coming out lately (for a looong time)… mostly just two (or more) sides pushing competing narratives… gotta see into that liminal space between those and use your critical thinking… . . what you see is the public face of a semi-covert war… . . my 2 basic questions i always ask myself is . . 1) who… Read more »
“i call it ‘Da ‘pocalypse Theater ™ ‘…”
One of the acts is a response test.
@kfg
“One of the acts is a response test.”
See how trump responds? If he just folds to pressure?
Hi guys, just wundering. How did you – as young guys – start getting it all going. Like: Talking more to girls and motivating yourself to get it going better? In my case: There is a kind of circle of girls, of which at least three I would want to get it going with. As I do not have advanced skills or even real experience, I’m wondering about whom of them I should text and if it is going to thwarft my success at all if I start texting all three of them at once. If it is of interest:… Read more »
“See how trump responds? If he just folds to pressure?”
To a certain extent, but mostly to see how various mayors and governors respond.
From Trump they actually want a strong reaction, to feed the narrative that he’s a repressive fascist.
@NoNameNumber1
Welcome.
First thing first:
What’s the age group (you and them)? Teenagers? Early 20s?
How do you know each other? School? Work? Other?
How would you describe your social skills? Can you hold a conversation with a girl? A group of girls? Mixed groups? Strangers? Etc.
What’s your sexual/relationship experience?
What’s with the “how to motivate myself”? Is that a girls related thing? Or something broader?
Hello IRL – The age group: I’m 18, they are 17 and 18 years old. – We know each other from school. – My social skills are somewhere between introverted and decent, meaning I can hold conversation with single persons or small groups when isolated. – with mixed groups I usually have problems, but that really depends on the circumstance, like are they political (then I can hold conversation for literally days) or some bullshit I don’t give a fuck about (then I can hold it only short term), while it works better with isolated persons, where I can hold… Read more »
SJF
I’ll do this, is strength limited or concentrated on a mere physical one or considered more general – because all this characteristics seem to lead to a higher place in the male hierarchy.
Best regards
NoNameNumber1
@PalmaSailor
just an fyi to you and all…
as the war sh*t gets rolling more…
and this current version of Kristallnacht tries to get more traction…
it looks like the ‘targeted minority publication bans’ are starting to ramp…
western rifle shooters association (WRSA) was just been summarily taken down from wordpress…
it was at
https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/
and as a result of that ban… now has moved to
https://gab.com/WRSA
everybody stay safe and
good luck!
@HABD Honestly, 2/3 of my businesses are fucked, the remaining 1/3 does give me a enough fuck you income to piss off for a couple of years. I’ve got a stink load of gubbermint cash funding in the bank on no personal guarantees, with more arriving next week. My son still won’t talk to me – much. The gubbermint have just dropped 3 investigations they have been pursuing against me. There’s one left with the tax office which I could conclude. I’m thinking of packing a rucksack and cycling across Italy for three to six months stopping overnight at tavernas… Read more »
How do red pillers cope with assault and other trauma in childhood thats being repressed and it fucked up your life without realising it as it was repressed? Only realising it now, getting flash backs and realise my life has been stunted due to it. No amount of red pills or “being a fucking man” is going to help.
Any thoughts, advice?
@jimbo
You’re in the right place and it’s my expert subject.
You have to forgive the shit, only then can you move on.
Come back with more detail and I’ll do what I can.
@NoNameNumber1 . Ok cool. So there are several areas to work on to turn you into a proper stud in the next few years. And by work I mean consistent effort. Up to you really. . The high level answer is this. This journey may start with you wanting to get some alone time with a girl to read the bible to till dawn. But eventually it’ll test your will to grow beyond that. Look for and hit various sticking points early on. Work multiple angles. Learn game (not just pickup), be more social, work out, play sports (nothing faggy,… Read more »
@IRL thank you a lot, I just finished Mr.V’s advice, reflected a little bit and am heading to Magic Bullets. As I don’t want to use it as a buffer as you said, I’m going to come up with a ping idea before reading it. On the girls: It is unlikely I’m going to see them the next month or so since school is basically done (just graduating, two oral exams left). I think of starting with the top tier one, french mother and kind of nice to look at, while always very reserved (while I’m sure I’ll handle it).… Read more »
@NoNameNumber1 . I’m not gonna interfere here except to mention it’s worth practicing talking to ALL women you interact with in real life. . Make an effort to talk to women in real life that you have absolutely o interest in whatsoever. The old butt ugly woman on the checkout – yeah her. Ask her about her day. Talk to her, pass the time of day. Enjoy the interaction. Open questions which demand more than a “Yes” or “No” answer: . How (has your day been) When (did you start work today) Where Why What . As opposed to closed… Read more »
Trust/comfort
Comfort = comfortable with you.
They want o feel that they aren’t going to be murdered or raped by a beta.
Yareally had a useful distinction…
You can have really great rapport with someone but it doesn’t mean you’d lend them your Ferrari.
The calibrated kino, bouncing venues all very important in establishing comfort/trust.
IRL that text guide is great. Paging @ Morpheus
@PalmaSailor @HABD Honestly, 2/3 of my businesses are fucked, the remaining 1/3 does give me a enough fuck you income to piss off for a couple of years. sorry to hear some of that, but glad to hear you’re not completely wiped out… serious question… isn’t one of those fundamental business concepts that in the middle of chaos there are ‘opportunities’?… i have no idea how you structure that inquiry to find those opportunities, but have YOU looked at this?… bc i gotta tell you, with the amount of chaos in the system, those opportunities should be able to spin… Read more »
@NoNameNumber1
you are getting great advice… i co-sign all of it…
and props on even starting this journey… it won’t be easy, but it is worthwhile…
(@IRL… great breakdown!… and great links too…)
good luck!
@SJF
Thanks for the links, very helpful info to start with.
@PalmaSailor Thanks for asking. Firstly I lost my best friend who was killed in car crash when we were about 7 yrs old, I got no therapy or even to talk to someone about my grief, my parents were and still are distant- we lived in same house but they were completely aloof about any personal, psychological care and needs purely the physical. It was like living with 2 adult lodgers! So I became withdrawn, I didnt have any other “best friends” at school to confide in- yes sucks- and I was unable to cope fully and make close friends,… Read more »
@Jimbo
There’s a lot there, and I’m on UK time so evening now. I’ll get to it properly tomorrow.
@HABD @PalmaSailor @HABD Honestly, 2/3 of my businesses are fucked, the remaining 1/3 does give me a enough fuck you income to piss off for a couple of years. sorry to hear some of that, but glad to hear you’re not completely wiped out… serious question… isn’t one of those fundamental business concepts that in the middle of chaos there are ‘opportunities’?… . [Yeah so that’s the theory and probably also the practice. But things are moving very fast and what may be an opportunity one day isn’t the next. For instance old friend has an acquaintance that thought it… Read more »
Palma
and my ex was looking through the window absolutely terrified. I have no idea why she is so absolutely terrified of me.]
Maybe she is scared of herself…
IRL that text guide is great. Paging @ Morpheus Haha, I’m here…paying attention, reading along. I will check out that text guide ASAP, might come in handy for tomorrow. So, Sentient, Palma, some really awesome recent comments. I’ve actually got a ton of follow up question, thoughts, and comments on a number of things…which I will try to get to soon. One main thing is Palma’s comment and the comment about the “mature woman” which is sort of an oxymoron really, but yeah, the mindset of the over 40+ “mature” woman. One of the things I am still wrestling with… Read more »
God dammit, sorry about the formatting, this new commenting editor is fucked up
@NoNameNumber1 . I don’t want to use it as a buffer . Perfect! . I think of starting with the top tier one . Why limit it to one girl? The thing that hinders progress is scarcity and clinging to “that one great option”. Nip that limiting belief in the bud. Figure out what to send to all your female contacts. (Even more than those 3 girls. As @Palma said, you want to develop the skill and mindset that opening anyone is fine.) And it’s ok if you send the same ping to all girls too. . As a ping:… Read more »
On the tractor ping. From Krauser’s How To Ping A Lead: The basic photo ping is the Window On My World. Send her a photo that represents what you’re doing, or thinking, or something you saw that caught your interest. Found the photo? Okay, now STOP! Do not immediately send it. Think. How can I build a mini-mythology or drama around this image? How can I make this photo of a teddy bear next to a cheeseburger interesting? I saw two dogs get their leashes tangled up and fall over, how can I make that a funnier mental image? You… Read more »
@Jimbo . I had written You a long reply but it’s very simple really. . You’re 45 and still blaming your parents / the church / the moon landings for shit that happened in your childhood? . Your friend dies when you were 7 and you got no support? And you’re 45 now and it’s still a problem? . Well Boo fucking hoo. . You just need to get over all that shit that no one can do anything about. People come from far worse than that and make a success of their lives. But when they do that they… Read more »
@Morpheus Why are you fucking at round with tennis to give you the excuse to take your shirt off with a woman you’ve already fucked? Honestly stop using your body as a fucking buffer. You lean on that at every excuse. Once you’ve used it to get the intro you need to get into her head, and if you’re moping around like a puppy dog they’re all gonna shut down regardless of how hawt and tall you are. She texted you bc she’s bored shitless and dtf… so just text her to “come over later” bc you’ve got strawberries in… Read more »
IRL
I think about commenting it somehow like
“I wanted to do this, can’t you just eat all that is on your plate?”
Because it’s rainy today.
[Since the meme here is that’s because someone left some food on his plate.]
Edit: Inserting the picture seems to not work out properly.
Palma, I appreciate your comment! A little clarification and context: Again, Nurse called me one night out of the blue after 10 PM, I was asleep, and I texted her back. A few days later she claimed she “accidently” called me, and we had a long text convo of “catching up”. Now, I don’t know what sequence of button pushing or swiping would be required for an “accidental” call, but I am at least entertaining the possibility she is being honest, and on the other hand, maybe the mood struck here, and she wanted to see my availability…I really don’t… Read more »
Fuck, how in fuck’s name do you get paragraph breaks now…I left a line and it still didn’t show the paragraph breaks. Sorry for the wall of text with no separation.
“I guess I’m reluctant to move much more aggressively with her until I get clearer signs that sex with me is what she wants.” Ahhhh damn what’s the matter with you? Fucking clearer signs? Fuck that noise. She can get her fucking arse over and suck your cock or fuck off and stop wasting your time. This is your whole problem. You need to fucking own these women and stop dancing round them. This one has now been round to see me 4 times. She’s taller than me and I haven’t even spent £10 on her. No small talk. It’s… Read more »
So I’m just kind of fucking around here playing with these concepts so I just sent one of these “ping” texts to the Bumble woman where there was the date 2 and things just fizzled from there. In our early discussions, she talked about being into “goat yoga” which I had never heard of…here is what I sent, she responded a minute later. I’ll admit I’m confused, WTF is this about? I mean, simply ignoring me and not responding would seem to be the clearest way to send “hey, I’m not interested”. Not really sure how to follow up from… Read more »
@Morpheus . I dunno . My gut – all these problems are bc you’re not escalating hard enough. She doesn’t want pictures of a ducking goat, she wants to be on her back being nailed so hard she can’t walk. . She wants to sit in her boring arse job tomorrow with her parts still aching and sore reminding her of the fantasy escapism she’s having with you – but she can’t say it. . In fact she doesn’t even know it consciously bc you haven’t bought THAT out in her. And that’s YOUR job Charlie Brown. . You should… Read more »
So here is Bumble exchange for feedback…I’m sure I fucked up plenty lol. My sense is maybe I was still too much “dog” and not enough “cat”, but I think the one part I did get right was basically “assuming the sale” on her number and just asked what it was rather then can I get it. Afterwards I realized the throwaway final line about action movies was probably unnecessary. I also tried to keep the messaging short…it seems like one lesson I am seeing repeatedly is do NOT get into long drawn out conversations which is my tendency so… Read more »
@Morpheus
why are you afraid of sexualizing your interactions?…
what is the worst thing that can happen?…
that she makes a trip over to your place after midnight and s*cks your dick as your first meeting?… (which would put your world-view at risk?…)
what is the best thing that could happen?… that she gets indignant and shames you back onto the reservation?… (which would confirm your world-view?…)
what do you actually want?… and are you actually pursuing THAT is a straight line?…
serious questions…
bc you need to get some clarity for yourself…
good luck!
Morpheus So Nurse girl sabotages your hook up with paralegal… Calls you they day before her wedding… Then accidentally texts you a few months post marriage? OK. I’m sure it’s all a big coincidence… smh A – always. B – be. C – Closing. Always Be Closing… and “They don’t walk on the lot lest they want to buy”… Alec Baldwin: Let me have your attention for a moment. ‘Cause you’re talkin’ about what…you’re talkin’ ’bout…bitchin’ about that sale you shot, some son of a bitch don’t want to buy land, somebody don’t want what you’re selling, some broad you’re… Read more »
@Sentient
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“ you don’t need plausible deniability so much”
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You know we’re taking the piss here but the strawberry thing it’s all you need.
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She MIGHT need PD and It gives her the option.. she can just say “yeah ok, I just need a bit of space and to talk to an oooolllllldddddd friend, and I just love strawberries, can you put the coffee on as well and I’ll be over in 10… thanks sooooo much, you are such a good friend”
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Bingo, she’s got plausible deniability, you’ve got proximity and it’s all on.
@Sentient
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“You just put the shirt thing in the way to just getting a window…”
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He’s buffering, he outright didn’t have the balls to hit her up for sex bc he’s got some personal deep seated insecurity, or there’s something else going on.
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I missed it but @HABD has picked up on it.
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Ref my ex wife being scared of herself I honestly can’t see the wood for the trees so if you’ve got any further insights I’d love to hear.
Sentient,
I guess no coffee for me lol…OK, I fucked up the response but did I at least get the concept of the ping right this time vs last time with this same woman? I was actually surprised how quickly she responded, so I guess I shot off the “For sure” instinctively without thinking, and then I was like Oh Fuck, what next. I’m in novice learning mode so I’m sure I’ll keep making mistakes but hopefully making some small progress with incorporating some of these concepts.
serious questions…
bc you need to get some clarity for yourself…
I’m going to think about your questions…I’m not sure at the moment
@Morpheus . The penny has probably dropped. . Even after you’ve been banging her, you still don’t really believe you’re the prize. You’re still plugged in. And qualifying yourself to her bc she’s “given” you the sex you want. . Send her a picture of a fluffy goat and she’ll tell you what a nice guy You are and “make her intentions clear” then you’ll get the sex you want without taking a risk. . This has got @Marquis written all over it. . You might as well roll on in with the bulk purchase “common courtesy” and offer to… Read more »
So the shit testing is continual – they need to make sure they have the real deal. . So she came round after that text exchange above ^^^^ and we had one session of sex which was me pushing her. Then a break and a second session. . During the second session she stopped fucking and got off from being on top and tried to flip the power script on me by pulling the sex away and making me chase her in bed. . So I just laid back, had a drink of water and chilled, had half hour sleep… Read more »
@PalmaSailor [Nice idea but it’ll be a hard no. Every attempt to see him has been rejected for coming up to 2 years. you could just ignore the prior ‘not interested’ and keep playing…that way you still show an interest and his mother is the one keeping him from doing cool sh*t… The only one that succeeded was when I called the ex wife’s bf and told him to get my son ready as I was going to be on their doorstep in 15 minutes to collect. He was handed over on the front drive and my ex was looking… Read more »
Morpheus
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Yes the ping was good. The purpose of the ping is to establish contact from a good frame. So good enough.
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Palma
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Re your wife just something to consider. She is guardi g herself because you still take up too much of her headspace and she doesn’t trust herself fully with you. Especially if her husband is a schlub…
And you are the indomitable bad ass you are..
@NoNameNumber1 IRL I think about commenting it somehow like “I wanted to do this, can’t you just eat all that is on your plate?” Because it’s rainy today. [Since the meme here is that’s because someone left some food on his plate.] Edit: Inserting the picture seems to not work out properly. You lost me there (something is lost in translation and the picture is missing). . Whatever you wanted to do there, remember you shouldn’t try to be witty. Think of what you’d send to your bratty little sister. Bart Simpson teasing Lisa. Whatever worked in primary school works… Read more »
Morpheus That text string with Unique… Dude where are you flirting with her? It’s so earnest… But look you are succeeding to some degree off you pic. So consolidate on that. No questions!!! No !!!!! Exclamation points… Move her to the number and then set up logistics. No more best friend stuff… “They don’t come on the lot lest they want to buy” And “The leads are weak? The fucking leads are weak!!?? You’re weak!” Come on. Use this for practice and changing your reference experiences… Get outrageous. push these free options… “I always wanted to fuck a cat”… Remember… Read more »
here is what I sent, she responded a minute later. I’ll admit I’m confused, WTF is this about? I mean, simply ignoring me and not responding would seem to be the clearest way to send “hey, I’m not interested”. Not really sure how to follow up from here. You had a one minute response after months of no contact and you interpret her response a no interest? Lol. What did you want her to say hey let’s fuck? Come on. You’re confused? You just shut it down by not giving her anything. Seriously come up with five better responses… Do… Read more »
@Jimbo . Dude. I don’t feel I’m in a position to help you. But I’ll say this. . @Palma removed the complexity (that you won’t avoid dealing with but that’s another story) and cut straight to the point: accept and take the responsibility for your life moving forward. . You may need to let yourself go through the whole process and all stages of grief before you reach acceptance. Or hear other men’s stories before you believe you can turn your own situ around (it’s one thing to be told what to do and another to see another man doing… Read more »
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/why-does-new-york-times-brazenly-deny-obvious
@Jimbo / IRL / SJF . I wrote the following longer post for Jimbo but the thing is – he just doesn’t have time. If he’s 45 now then he’s been through every hoop you can possibly go through and failed to do the one thing you have to do which is own the shit you’re in. . If he doesn’t do it now, he’ll go to the grave with it. . This is what happens with too much “sympathy” and “therapy” you wallow in shit and don’t progress. . By 45 he’s done every avoidance tactic under the sun… Read more »
IRL Yes, I think I lost a lot of information during translation, sorry for that. Here in Germany little kids get told to eat all the food on their plate, because if they leave something (and therefore waste food) the weather will get bad. So the reverse conclusion is: the weather is bad because someone did not eat all on his plate. That was the idea behind the ping text I sent to the french one yesterday. It was just a picture of the old blue tractor an a dirt road, subtitled with “I wanted to do this today, if… Read more »
@Sentient: “The pandemic didn’t do this.” It seems as obvious to the author as it does to me, yet I have found I have to point it out to people, some of whom just don’t get it at all. There is some TDS involved in the article though. Trump has let loose some authoritarian bombast, but in practice has been scrupulous about not exceeding his authority as federal chief executive, as well as a voice against panic. He may well be a conman, but he somehow just keeps not being the evil dictator the NYT makes him out to be.… Read more »
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/pandemic-economic-collapse-full-societal-breakdown
@Sentient
Yeah.. plus there’s the thing about the riot police resigning bc their union won’t insure them against claims anymore.
Plus let out all the rioters and looters.
That’s just gonna play out really well. But I have to say this stuff needs to happen. It’s unfortunate but you won’t clear out the sickness of the left until they’ve eaten each other. They need to do that.
It’s escalating here too. Of course they slaughtered Dominic Cummings for a legal trip that he made during lockdown. But they can flaunt the same rules.
We’ve got a bit of rain this afternoon so that usual lily clears out protests over here.
And months of Yellow Vest protests went hidden by the media…
Slight difference is that Yellow vests are the people in work and paying the taxes. So those protests only happen at weekends.
Virtually nobody of colour.
They’re slightly right of centre. Republicans.
So obviously that doesn’t get reported, bc they’re all bad people that must be shamed and ignored.
DC mayor throws out the National Guard.
So a new unit has been brought in and . . . sworn in as US Marshalls. So now they’re not the Guard, they’re Federal LEOs.
The chess may not be 4D, but it’s a checking move anyway.
Morpheus
Here you go. Homework
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1F_HM__o-RU
Channel this while texting
(PS look at the girls in the crowd and the girls who comment)
Morpheus
Here you go. Homework
Will do…I appreciate it.
There is a lot to respond to and expand on recent comments…
Palma, Send her a picture of a fluffy goat and she’ll tell you what a nice guy You are and “make her intentions clear” then you’ll get the sex you want without taking a risk. TBH, I think you are on to something here as I thought about HABDs questions. I realize now I’ve often relied maybe too heavily on an almost female like strategy of Display and Wait to be pursued, and not taking the lead enough, and waiting way too much for Neon Green Lights that it is “safe” to proceed. I’ve got 2 decades to unwind here… Read more »
FWIW, I did text Nurse on Tuesday, and she finally replied just recently, I’ll post the entire exchange if it would be helpful, but I guess I’m inclined to think her earlier call was accidental or she simply changed her mind because this was her reply: “I would like to beat u leftie or rightie but probably best not to play cause not really fair to (husband name)….kind of would be uncomfortable if he was hanging out with someone he dated…hopefully business is picking up and all is going good (smiley face)” I mean, if she really wanted to fuck,… Read more »
Morpheus “I would like to beat u leftie or rightie but probably best not to play cause not really fair to (husband name)….kind of would be uncomfortable if he was hanging out with someone he dated…hopefully business is picking up and all is going good (smiley face)” . I mean, if she really wanted to fuck, wouldn’t she go along with the pretext of getting together to play tennis, right? That’s not a hard no. That’s a “hey I’m not taking any responsibility here if something happens I told you about my husband” kind of thing. I bet if you… Read more »
Morpheus
I realize now I’ve often relied maybe too heavily on an almost female like strategy of Display and Wait to be pursued, and not taking the lead enough, and waiting way too much for Neon Green Lights that it is “safe” to proceed.
Good. Finally!!!
And hey I been there and done that… The root however is you are still firmly firmly rooted solidly to dog logic…
You won’t progress far until you start learning to understand cat.
Great line from from Jack
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0g9_wfkYjfo
@Morpheus . Did you even read my previous comment: . https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-154/#comment-290496 . What EXACTLY do you think I meant when I said this: . “In fact she doesn’t even know it consciously bc you haven’t bought THAT out in her. And that’s YOUR job Charlie Brown.” . You come back with this: . “That said, I’ve had a number of situations where it seems like the woman is basically giving me nothing to go on if in fact she wants “to be banged hard”.” . I’m losing the plot here. Don’t you really not get it? You have to OWN… Read more »
@NoNameNumber1
By the way, how do I insert pictures here?
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If the image you want to insert is on the internet, just paste the link to it in the comment.
If it’s not, you need to upload it first (e.g. imgur) and then link.
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Progress update?
Yup, so I went on with the French one, sent her a pictur of a place nearby (really nice, my own picture), commented by “See, now I had to do my trip by car” Her: “How tragic” Me: “Hello, we all have to reduce CO2” Her: “With a tractor? You better walk then [emoji of woman holding up her hands]” Me: “Bike’s enough [blinky smiley]” Jup, now I wonder if and what I’m going to send her, since the last two days it did not go perfect on the one hand, on the other I advanced it seriously. Probably try… Read more »
@NoNameNumber1
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“Thank you for your support, would never have had the balls for this alone.”
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You don’t need balls if you’ve got options. It’s only the lack of perceived options causing you to overvalue this transaction and therefore consider you need balls to work it right.
You’re right Palma
what do you think about the cake commented with “I just produced the best cake in the world. I think I’m gonna open a confectionary”
Is that acceptable, to the french who knows the system now, and to another one, as a “first” ping there?
@NoNameNumber1 . I’m staying out of comments on that bc I’m 52 years old and text game isn’t my thing. . It’s better that @IRL should answer that. . Something like you saying you need “balls” however is something that transcends all that and I can step in and just put a bullet in that mindset. . What you need is masses of time in the field and a lot of women to interact with. . “Confidence” comes from an a abundance of options which leads you to “not giving a fuck” . This comes across in your non verbal… Read more »
@NoNameNumber1 . Props on putting in the work. . Yup, so I went on with the French one, sent her a pictur of a place nearby (really nice, my own picture), commented by “See, now I had to do my trip by car” Her: “How tragic” . What’s your gut telling you is happening here? What and why is she communicating? . Me: “Hello, we all have to reduce CO2” Her: “With a tractor? You better walk then [emoji of woman holding up her hands]” . Again, what’s happening here? . Me: “Bike’s enough [blinky smiley]” . What did you… Read more »
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you trapped me, my blue pill self still hesitates.
I have her number since she was just part of my class.
That may be part of why I hesitate on pinging other ones, feering the response when they see me pinging their friends as well. Yet I still think it might make no difference.
So I’m gonna roll off for maybe five days and chat again with her.
So tomorrow I’ll start with further ones.
@NoNameNumber1 . “you trapped me, my blue pill self still hesitates.” . He wasn’t actually trying to trap you but well done for acknowledging. . “That may be part of why I hesitate on pinging other ones, feering the response when they see me pinging their friends as well.” . You say that, and societal conditioning tells you to: “be the good guy etc… and a good guy would NEVER lead a girl on, never mind lead on TWO girls, right?” but then you go on to say this: . “Yet I still think it might make no difference.” .… Read more »
habd to palmasailor girls never own their consequences for making bad decisions, right?… who else is she going to blame? Possibly she could blame her new boy toy. “Why don’t you DO something!?” would be one way to start the party. This may come up in her Rolodex sometime in the next year or two. I@Palma IMO it’s important you keep some sort of line of comm open with him, because at some point he’s going to leave her house. One of my frivorced friends wound up after a couple of years with his son sharing quarters, the ex had… Read more »
NoNameNumber1 As expected, it worked out, even though my blue pill self had giant doubts loaded on me. Now that it showed working out, I will go on, with the positive experience in mind and to reinforce the new Self. Many men have had the same experience: “What? This stuff works!” and it is a good feeling. Now you know that Game works whether you believe in it or not. That is the empirical reality; you are dealing with the female hindbrain / unconscious / Id / whatever. It’s the hardwiring of thousands of years. It’s not fakery, it’s there.… Read more »
@HABD . “you could just ignore the prior ‘not interested’ and keep playing…that way you still show an interest and his mother is the one keeping him from doing cool sh*t…” . You’re right. And I’ve been looking back at the cool shit we used to do and think I should still offer to keep doing stuff, which he’ll have to ask her permission to do and she’ll reject. She’ll reject everything so it’s got to get to a point where he gets pissed off with that. . I don’t own any of these toys, but because I’ve done loads… Read more »
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Thanks – the communication is open. Theres one post in Moderation probably bc of links.
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We used to do some really cool stuff even just a couple of years back, and she will be just intolerable and overbearing and micro controlling. So its just how that ends up playing out.
@HABD . “you could just ignore the prior ‘not interested’ and keep playing…that way you still show an interest and his mother is the one keeping him from doing cool sh*t…” . You’re right. And I’ve been looking back at the cool shit we used to do and think I should still offer to keep doing stuff, which he’ll have to ask her permission to do and she’ll reject. She’ll reject everything so it’s got to get to a point where he gets pissed off with that. . We could do loads of cool things. . Then there’s the social… Read more »
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That one chick is a pig…
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I wonder if his mother is just petrified that the two of us could just end up actually having some fun. Piss off sailing round the Med and hitting on women.
The existential fear is being left all alone. Now the fact that most mom’s create those exact conditions is just a bit of irony.
@Sentient . “That one chick is a pig…” . Alfie said “dad, look, that’s something you don’t see every day – a unicorn and a pig sat at a bar”. . (The “something you don’t see everyday” line was one he came up with when he was very young – a situation arose where a toy giraffe was on a skateboard – and he said “a giraffe on a skateboard – that’s something you don’t see everyday..” I thought it was very true and over the years I’ve re programmed it back into his Rolodex when something odd crops up.… Read more »
Palma, she is afraid of the truth. Her existential fear has played out to plan B.
@wahoo
Yesterday I hit him up for a couple of trips we could do.
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The Nurburgring is in Germany, you can take your domestic car on a race track and go for it. Other option was to go down to the end island we used to hang out on which he used to love.
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See the response and timings.
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https://imgur.com/a/LiCikDM
@PalmaSailor @HABD . “you could just ignore the prior ‘not interested’ and keep playing…that way you still show an interest and his mother is the one keeping him from doing cool sht…” . You’re right. And I’ve been looking back at the cool shit we used to do and think I should still offer to keep doing stuff, which he’ll have to ask her permission to do and she’ll reject. She’ll reject everything so it’s got to get to a point where he gets pissed off with that. . yep… that’s the general idea…lol… at some point, he won’t be… Read more »
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See the response and timings
eh… don’t get too down. My son is in my house and from time to time he will say no to going to do things he loves to do. Lazy ass teenage boys sometimes…
But next step might be to go and do those things and send him some clips of you having fun in situ… for next time.
from time to time he will say no to going to do things he loves to do.
And this is true for things with his friends and among his friends they all act like this to a degree. The generation is far far less social. Part of it is I think the numbing effect of being connected 24/7…
You can see it once you actually get them out.
@HABD . “so, is that his usual response time/answer?… or did he have a fight with mom about it and get overruled?…” . I’d have to start a spreadsheet to answer that with the type of pedantic thoroughness the subject deserves – which perhaps I should do. But since lockdown any reply is usually faster. Usually within minutes. . The jury is out. Any number of options. . 1. The delay could be him genuinely not wanting to go and being scared of my reaction because he’s saying no to me and he’s therefore putting off rejecting me. He rejected… Read more »
@Sentient . “Lazy ass teenage boys sometimes… But next step might be to go and do those things and send him some clips of you having fun in situ… for next time.” . Well. Almost every time we got together we hit on women and he won’t be doing that with anyone else. . If you remember rightly his best friend is the hot waitress that thinks I’m cool. So I totally intend continue living and sending him pictures. He’ll share them with her and she’ll want to come do the cool stuff… so we’ll see how that plays out.… Read more »
Palma, my folks split the sheets when I was 7, she bad mouthed him at every turn. He made it known that he loved us in his way. Of us kids I was the one he took to the races and to work ,he had me driving a truck at 10. At 17 I looked him up for a job , got a company truck, weekly salary and a room we had a sort of bachelor pad, I brought girls there ,he went out for his. Dad never said much but one time he said “your mom is crazy”. After… Read more »
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Thanks
Palma , you are welcome and thank you as well for the insight. Pops died last year ( his 3rd wife finally talked him to ” death by annoyance” ) and due to circumstances I still don’t have closure. I may write some more about him as it is relevant if you guys don’t mind.
@Wahoo
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I don’t know what insight I managed to give you but you’re welcome.
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Feel free to spit any shit out you want to. Doing that can often clear an awful lot down!
@HABD / Sentient / Wahoo . So I’ve analysed the timings between the texts. . As a general rule chit chat goes well and replies are within the hour. Often they turn into a “rally” where messages go to and fro in real time. . The exception to this rule is where I suggest a meet. Every time I do this there is at least a six hour delay before he comes back to me and it’s always with a rejection EXCEPT for his birthday. That approval took 9 hours – see below link. . I nearly got to see… Read more »
@Palma I’m not a father yet, but I am a son. My parents never divorced, but they were fighting all the time. Like yelling each and every day. And my mom always complained about him to me, how useless and lazy he is. He never talked about it (to me anyway). I grew up resenting him for not doing enough. It took me a couple of years after I’ve got out the house to realize that he was doing what he could, his only “sin” was not being red pilled, and not “getting it”. What I want to say is… Read more »
Palma, I’m not sure I have any good advice on the situation with your son, but I wanted to say good luck and I hope you can get the situation fixed. It’s not clear to me from the comments I’ve read how old he is, and if he is financially dependent on Mom at the moment. If he is dependent on her, he may be making decisions based on his pragmatic self-interest, especially if she is the type to make her help conditional. To be perfectly honest, and I don’t want to get into too many details, but I’ve been… Read more »
Throwing this up for any comments or feedback…this is the Bumble chick referenced in the recent above comments. TBH, not really sure here…seems like high probability of a flake, and frankly I’ve considered flaking myself…I was kind of put off by the whole “Hey who is this” nonsense and “New phone” BS given that only a few days had passed between our original Sunday plans, and my ping text on Wednesday. Hopefully, I got that part at least right…I tried to give a smart ass answer to her question (referencing our Bumble discussion about action movies).
https://imgur.com/a/laDXbZz