Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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Morpheus
Morpheus
2 years ago

Another Bumble one, TBH this woman is a 5 to 5.5 at best, I was actually trying to get her to disqualify herself with the “Hmmm, you wouldn’t be interested in meeting then” but she has seemed persistent. Her last line kind of threw me for a loop, it seems kind of over the top? I was thinking something like “Oh really, tell me more” or do I just go super direct with basically a “are you DTF”. I mean, truth be told, if she is a first date blowjob or bang, I’ll make the drive, but otherwise it is… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Morpheus You are going backwards… I was kind of put off by the whole “Hey who is this” nonsense and “New phone” BS given that only a few days had passed between our original Sunday plans, and my ping text on Wednesday. Yeah butthurt is not going to help you progress… HINT – you should expect this kind of stuff and be ready to charmingly disarm and pass these shit tests… if it even was one… lol and YOU DO NOT USE ? OR ! ANYMORE, EVERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! Your job bucko is to handle the logistics… not hunt and peck and… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
2 years ago

Palma, not sure what happened , I think my Dad went off the end after the divorce for a bit, coping with the no “relational equity” or any other equity for his vested interest in the family. They finally worked it out in the courts where he got us kids 1 day a month and some hollidays. He was remarried by this time to a widowed farm girl with 2 kids, a ready made family and living in a middle class neighborhood. The day he was to pick us up god forbid he be late as Mom would turn minutes… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Morpheus I’m a damn good reason Three choices here… Easiest “Cool. Tuesday XYZ at 8” No hassle. Just confirm and move forward… Or A little more gamey… Challenge her slight shit test… “We’ll see how you play your cards. Tuesday, xyz at 8” Or a little more more gamey. Flip the script while challenging her and make her the chaser… “Slow your roll tiger. I need to be wined and dined first lol. Tuesday xyz at 8” Note about single moms and married women… Logistics are key She needs childcare and a place to do the deed. She will have… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Palma

re the texts

Yeah looks like he gets caught in the middle, he is a hostage. slow roll things until he is out of high school. do what you can and don’t get too frustrated or blame him.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Morpheus

Let’s try this…

Your new goal going into these convos is not to meet or bang. Your goal is to make an emotional impact.

You will get points as follows:

Her: lol / 1 point

Her: OMG! / 2 points

Her: you are so bad… / 3 points

Her: Yes master. / 10 points

Let’s run this up to 25 points total and reexamine…

Morpheus
Morpheus
2 years ago

did you even watch the GGR speech? Are you man enough to take it?   I did. Maybe I’m just not cut out for sales, and need to find alternative work lol.     I appreciate the feedback, I do, but I’m considering at least temporarily taking a step back from basically pursuing women for sex and dating. The truth is I’ve got some other areas of my life that need some focusing, and this part is looking more like it is going to be much more effort and time than I anticipated for much less reward. For what? So… Read more »

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Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

I LIKELY HAVE A VERY STEEP LEARNING CURVE WITH MASSIVE TIME INVESTMENT
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It’s not as long or as steep as many other things…

But you have to do the work.

Morpheus
Morpheus
2 years ago

If you can get to the bottom of what psychologically happened there, you might find some ways to rectify the ways you go about doing business. That sounds very pathological. What were the reasons that she and you let yourselves go? And let down your basic burden of performance. That is just not normal. And there must have been driving forces. What drove that downward spiral? And what will drive you going forward that is different?     Ha. There is A LOT there to unpack and address. Life priorities shifting during various points in time leading to slacking on… Read more »

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PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
2 years ago

@HF / Morpheus / Sentient / Wahoo . Thanks for the feedback on my son, much appreciated. . @Wahoo . I dunno if you want feedback on this but: . “They finally worked it out in the courts where he got us kids 1 day a month and some hollidays.” . You know this wasn’t them “working it out” right, that’s the poor bastard having to go through the courts to get the absolute fucking minimum they could conceivably give him. One day a month is a shit hand to be given. The real intention is that he should have… Read more »

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PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
2 years ago

@Morpheus Ahhh man there’s loads there and it’s all linked together. I don’t know if you actually want any feedback but it might be of some use. . I really don’t want to be unkind but you’re in serious danger here. You’re not the prize in your own head. These women are all escalating on you, you’re not seducing them. If you don’t deal with your self esteem, values, mission and boundaries before you even think about women you’re just gonna get picked up again and rinsed out by the next woman that comes along. You’re probably a target for… Read more »

Morpheus
Morpheus
2 years ago

Palma,   I appreciate the feedback, lots to think about.     You’re probably a target for an HPD and then you would be fucked right now.       I’ve had 3 LTRs in my life, my first wife from 1996-2004…on and off broke up and got back together MANY TIMES, my second wife from late 2005- April 2017, and then the Nurse from May 2018-April 2019. During “breaks” with the first wife, I had a number of short-term casual relationships or flings or whatever you want to call them. I’m no expert on HPD, but I’ve spent some… Read more »

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Morpheus
Morpheus
2 years ago

Those were never platonic. I’ll bet she was at your place. She had dealt with logistics, she had suggested the massage, not you. You were in her frame. FWIW, not sure it matters to your overall point, but that encounter was actually at her place. Looking back now, it probably was somewhat abnormal and unusual situation for a woman with kids in the house, but she was my FIRST TIME EVER dating a Mom with kids. I don’t have kids with either wife, and never before dated a woman with kids who live with her so it was a brand… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Morpheus I appreciate the feedback, I do, but I’m considering at least temporarily taking a step back from basically pursuing women for sex and dating.” . Go back and read the part about forgetting meet and bang and doing emotional impact for points. Wax on, wax off training. . *and TBH I didn’t need perfect high level Game with 100% spot on flawless “emotion spiking” with zero “dog” talk to land them. . And you know that isn’t the threshold here right? That’s binary fallacious sperg talk. An excuse. Getting a leeetle better gets better results. Getting a leeetle more… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
2 years ago

Palma, thanks for the insight into Pop’s battle for custody. He was red pill alpha living by the old set of books. By the time of his third marriage however the climate had changed drastically and he adjusted his game into some blue pill fashion so that at 45 he married an epiphany 30yo with no children. She had him by the gnads he quit the pipe and even quit drinking for awhile,she played on his weakness to the point he put everything in her name for a while then she systematically cut him off from everyone else, family friends… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
2 years ago

@wahoo . “she systematically cut him off from everyone else, family friends associates.” . I’ll bet ya every one of her friends were butt ugly. . She had to be centre of attention? . Stinks of HPD.. . It was touch and go me escaping one of those. Luckily she over cooked it one night and kicked in my car doors after she blew up furiously DURING sex. . It was only self respect that saved me. I think that self respect is a thermal cut out in a lot of ways. My dad didn’t really see it like that,… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
2 years ago

@wahoo
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“Then your mother losing her shit on that one day. Just looking from the outside looking in I know she was absolutely terrified of that day and “losing you”. I bet she spent the entire month dreading that one day. The one day a month when he imposed his will on her and she had no control.”
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Damn, I can see this clear as day looking at your situation with your mother but I was totally blind to the fact that the exact same thing is probably happening with my ex wife and my own son.

Morpheus
Morpheus
2 years ago

Sentient,   Got it…I agree and you are right. FWIW, I’m not talking about giving up or quitting, just taking a bit of a break and putting it slightly on the back burner. I kind of divide my life into 3 main categories:     Health, physical fitness, exercise, physique Women, dating, and sex Career and Finance     For the last few years, I put a lot of time, energy, and effort into #1. I’ve mostly gotten where I want to be, and trying to downshift to some “maintenance mode”. I only refocused on #2 when the relationship with… Read more »

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PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
2 years ago

@Morpheus . “ I’m going to try and force myself to go out at least once a week, and just see what happens.” . Why not every night? To perhaps 3 bars in rotation (pick ones with logistics back to your place) and get to know the bar tenders. . If I were you I would not go out with the intention of “trying” to pull. . I can tell you that once a week is nowhere near enough. Even in a banging town the numbers of people out and approachable who can be escalated against aren’t going to be… Read more »

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Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Morpheus The truth of the matter is the bar does seem awfully God damn high for what is awaiting you as the prize on the other side of the bar in many cases. That’s not me bitching, just making an assessment statement. On the SOD platforms, maybe 2-3 out of 10 women 40+ are still reasonably physically attractive. Assessment Statement = “the leads are weak.” You know the response to that. Assessment from under an elephant is different from on top… Not talking about SoD women btw. Lol To Palmas point re 1x a week… Look there are no participation… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

The other thing I will say is you don’t need physique or Finances to get sex with women. You do need to understand seduction.

This is observable… Plenty of broke ass no bodies (pun) getting it. Plenty of cross fit guys with bank not.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

So… In the meantime keep on with the emotional impact exercise… Start counting the points.

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
2 years ago

@Morpheus . The biggest mindset change is – don’t buy them a drink. ** applies to where you’ve made an approach at a bar (I only do indirect) . Changing that mindset goes to the heart of the RP re programming. . So when you’ve approached and you’re in conversation and her drink is empty, and your old BP programming says to the back of your head “offer her a drink” – don’t do it. Let her sit there with an empty glass. . If you’ve got her going she’ll buy herself another drink to keep hanging out with you… Read more »

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Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
2 years ago

Sentient to Morpheus Reality is right down the street at Starbucks… On travel, I went by a Starbux in a still semi locked state. Big banner out front “OPEN”, but inside all the tables and chairs are off limits, there’s tape on the floor for spacing and control, essentially just take-away. Although a couple of people sitting at tables outside. All the staff have masks on. So…not really all that open. But…step up to the counter where the plexiglass shield is, and say “Hmm. I don’t think this is bullet proof. Has Billy the Kid been riding again?” gets a… Read more »

palmasailor
palmasailor
2 years ago

@Morpheus . I woke up this morning and have rationalised the “don’t buy them a drink” thing on an indirect approach. Despite it being obvious I hadn’t actually rationalised it up to now. . I said it because I’ve done it with a couple of women and I’ve just seen the attraction disappear from their faces, on the other hand I’ve held back from buying drinks and they’ve got even more attracted, they bought drinks, invited me to share their drinks etc.. . Keep in mind that I’m mostly out alone and I’m opening women in pairs, or up to… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
2 years ago

Palma, “She had to be centre of attention?” You nailed it. Her wedding had to be at the biggest church in town the reception required the rental of the fine arts center. The woman never stopped running her mouth she dominated every conversation, I once saw a look of resignation on Dads face while she was running on. I think he realized he had to put up with her or loose all his lifes work, houses business ,commercial property ect… everything he had worked so hard to build. In the end she got it all anyway. The thrill of the… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
2 years ago

@Wahoo . I’m sure you can do your own googling but: . https://psychcentral.com/disorders/histrionic-personality-disorder/ . I had a narrow escape. Mine had me seriously contemplating bankruptcy – part of the stages of isolation and removal of my support mechanisms – so total dependence on her. . Once you are totally isolated they emotionally empty you. . Then they discard you – emotionally, but probably not physically. They never discard a supply so they surround themselves with ugly losers. Nobody attractive or successful is allowed in the circle. . I had a very narrow escape. . He will have been her “primary… Read more »

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Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Palma

Pinkie was cute. You see how preselection/IOIs creates jealousy feedback loops too, with the girl you were with. Lol

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
2 years ago

@Sentient . “Pinkie was cute” . Honestly I think I’m one standard deviation from getting hold of pinkie types. I think it’s logistics and timing being at odds with my inbuilt firm ware that’s deeply burnt in. For instance girl at my cofvefee shop (who always flirts – no tips here remember) has been wearing bright red lipstick for the last 2 days (totally out of character but we know what it means). . Current Pocalypse is just fucking up all thoughts I’d had at escalating with plausible deniability. . The girl I was with works for me and I… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
2 years ago

Wahoo McDaniels Her wedding had to be at the biggest church in town the reception required the rental of the fine arts center. Lots of women want to get, married, not quite so many want to be married. Part of the filtering / vetting process for a man who chooses to marry is sorting out the Bridezillas from the others. The woman never stopped running her mouth she dominated every conversation, I once saw a look of resignation on Dads face while she was running on. That right there is one reason for this site and Rollo’s books. Essay after… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Palma

Lolz

It’s amazing what some guys get up to. Honestly it seems like half married guys get no sex at all (and a large number of these guys are ok with that) and the other half have weird submissive and cuck fetishes… It’s like an 80% chance that any married woman who is out at all in mixed company is up for a real guy banging her as a result. The way they act if you put out just a little bit of vibe…

Sad world.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Really wish Rollo would fix the paragraph situation…

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
2 years ago

@sentient . If you look at what I call the Blaximus night where the cuck held up my drawing of a cock then You see a pattern. . Plus – confession here – I have been rejecting age approx women for at least a year bc I didn’t want to “soften” my efforts with younger. . Ok, I’ve docked the ship back into age appropriate nurse to get laid as I haven’t been in over a year. But hey this, she has never had an orgasm with a man. Except me. And it’s not about cock size. . Then listen… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
2 years ago

@PalmaSailor @HABD / Sentient / Wahoo . So I’ve analysed the timings between the texts. . As a general rule chit chat goes well and replies are within the hour. Often they turn into a “rally” where messages go to and fro in real time. . this is great… it shows he wants a relationship… and the only thing keeping him from meeting up is… when he has to ask for permission to meet… . The exception to this rule is where I suggest a meet. Every time I do this there is at least a six hour delay before… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
2 years ago

@Sentient
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“It’s like an 80% chance that any married woman who is out at all in mixed company is up for a real guy banging her as a result.”
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Remember this within 60 seconds of a cold approach (I did get a hair flick IOI from a distance)
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Turn the sound on – her final line to a bloke she’s been talking to for literally 2 minutes – “whether or not I sit on your face” – bit of entitlement there but it’s the thought that counts.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

But hey this, she has never had an orgasm with a man. Except me.

Hahaha. She’s hooked now for sure. Definitely get her friends over… Lol.

Coolio
Coolio
2 years ago

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PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
2 years ago

That’s a shame @Rollo…

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
2 years ago

Do what you gotta do, Rollo. Always grateful for this site and the books.

theasdgamer
2 years ago

Well today something interesting happened. In early morning, I was taking a walk as per my new healthy routine, something unusual caught my eye. Daughter Gamer was talking to a stranger in jugging dress. Now I never saw that man before but since Daughter Gamer exercises regularly so she could know him, I thought I’d give it a go. About 45 minutes later, coming back to the same route after intense walking, I saw that man was still talking to my daughter, this time in a much dominant manner. I approached them but Daughter Gamer changed posture after watching me… Read more »

Morpheus
Morpheus
2 years ago

Quick update…if I get a chance later I will write longer detailed breakdowns of these field reports but for now Palma, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, you said something to me that I’ve been reciting in my mind over and over and over again, and consciously thought of during these interactions which is “OWN THE INTERACTION”, it has made a tremendous difference, I have no doubt that I would NOT have pulled any of these three outcomes without really thinking “I need to own and lead this interaction” 2 weekends ago on a Saturday I picked up a passenger,… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago
Reply to  Morpheus

Morpheus Props… Learn from this… this stuff works, this Game stuff. You are still a little too concerned on the externals… but take the wins here and the lesson. “I need to own and lead this interaction” Men lead… women respond to leading. You flipped a switch in your head. Since then, she has apparently gotten insecure over the difference in our bodies Just delete her number. seriously. She is firmly in her frame, topping from the bottom. Move on. Let her come back and chase you. I think I may have fucked up the first Uber pickup with the… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
2 years ago

@morpheus

“I don’t know that we exchanged more than 50-100 words before my dick was in her”

Yup less talking, more doing

Field reports I’s fucked up here bc you can’t paginate to the end. Find us at West Indian archies.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Morpheus

“I am open to any suggestions on how to best convert these to ongoing things.”

Only hit her up for late evening booty calls.

“Hey I just finished a drop off. You home?”

Don’t go all boyfriendy and text her all the time and hang out and do date stuff…

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

Palma, “Yup less talking, more doing” Yep, I think I’m learning, honest to God though I owe it to those words you wrote OWN THE INTERACTION. I don’t think I would have pulled what I have the last 3 weeks which includes 2 Uber passenger pickups leading to 2 blowjobs and a fuck inside 2 hours lol. And the other girl would have fucked too had she not been on her period, actually TBH I think she would have let me, but I”m not that fucking crazy lol. “Field reports I’s fucked up here bc you can’t paginate to the… Read more »

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

“Only hit her up for late evening booty calls.” Thanks, and noted! I may have botched Uber pickup girl 1, we’ll call her J. I’ll post the text exchange later with the context for some of the texts. FWIW, this girl got pretty deep with me conversationally during the ride to her place, asking me if I had kids, wanted kids, that she thought I would make a good Dad, and even during the encounter wanted to talk to. She wanted me to stick around when I told her I had to leave and go home, she mentioned us going… Read more »

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

You are still a little too concerned on the externals… but take the wins here and the lesson. Trying to learn and improve…FWIW, with both Uber pickups it was the externals that got the ball rolling. I think the difference was I grabbed the ball and ran with it rather then just be passive. I remember thinking in both interactions if something is going to happen here I HAVE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, not wait for it to happen to me, and no doubt the exchanges with you guys have been helpful here. I had a recent Tinder date too… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Morpheus this girl got pretty deep with me conversationally during the ride to her place, asking me if I had kids, wanted kids, that she thought I would make a good Dad, and even during the encounter wanted to talk to. She wanted me to stick around when I told her I had to leave and go home, she mentioned us going on a “proper date” later in the week. Careful… One of the most bone chilling things I ever heard after a random girl picked me up at a club, went back to my place, banged her twice… Same… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

It’s a fix that works. Thanks.

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 year ago

@sentient Update So I’m back to doing manual work as a Bilda for people that are still getting paid. That’s nurses and others at the hospital so I expect that being a builder is what I’ll end up as now for a couple of years. I’m working for the nurse I’ve been banging and It’s taken a month of doing that daily to get her to the point of doing almost anything, though didn’t follow up on the threesome after seeing her friend, I will in due course when a better candidate crops up. It’s the first time I’ve done… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Palma

The frustration is very real. But I think it is an age thing more than suburban. It’s just that the suburban demo skews older. Basically all of them over 30 are gagging for it. Unless they are pussy hatted leftist freaks. But then they are as well but remain repulsive…

It gets hard not to act on it once you see the signs…

I’m guessing all those old stories about the milkman were true…

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Here is an example. The other day I was having lunch outside. The table next to me was a little hottie, say early 40s. She was lunching with a builder and his partner and they were going over her plans for her big dream house. Lots of talk about her kids and husband and the rooms blah blah. Obviously this guy was preparing a large bid. And every 10 minutes she would turn to my table and look at me. So naturally I’d just give a little smile and nod and look back at her. I finished my beer and… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 year ago

@Sentient “Unless they are pussy hatted leftist freaks.” Well I live in the people’s republic of pussy hatted leftist freaks and some are just too gross for words, but even the ones that aren’t drive themselves to even more mental illness than they’ve already got by attempting and failing to reconcile their gender politics and feminism with the fact that they desire domination in bed. Actually very aggressive domination. There are whole articles written on trying to rationalise the subject which just degenerate into total neurosis – but bottom line – it’s definitely ok. After a couple of hours of… Read more »

dr zipper
dr zipper
1 year ago

hey fellas, leaving a lump of coal here so that some of you alpha alchemists and numbers nerds can turn it into a pearl, or gem or whatever https://www.arvarik.com/the-stable-marriage-problem-and-modern-dating lotsa good tidbits to launch from, here are some samples: “…Men’s ranking of women pretty closely resembles a normal distribution…” [think bell curve] “…Women’s ranking of men is more closely related to the Pareto distribution… the top 20% of men hold 80% of cumulative attractiveness…” [the graphs say it all] “…because men make the first move, the algorithm benefits men as it works in a greedy behavior to get them the… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

Dr. Zipper Some blog or other “…Men’s ranking of women pretty closely resembles a normal distribution…” [think bell curve] “…Women’s ranking of men is more closely related to the Pareto distribution… the top 20% of men hold 80% of cumulative attractiveness…” [the graphs say it all] Well, yeah, the OK Cupid data analysis of a few years back showed this quite clearly. It’s observable in the field as well. to me, the post is suggesting something between the sexes’ perception of attractiveness and that men can benefit(?) by making the first move; I’m not sure if there are differences between… Read more »

Moon
Moon
1 year ago

I sent you the super chat with the handle of “Simple Fly.” I am a clinician who supports your work where I can. I would like to have a dialog with you and the panel public or privately about the state of the Mental Health field. My question was about Dr. Smith and Dr. Glover. I think we need to help the my field navigate “feels before reals.” You have an opportunity to be a diplomat in this area. Please contact me if you like. I support you.

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

OK, Soooo much to update on, things on the women, dating, and sex part of my life are changing for the better with the last 4-5 weeks just getting a bit crazy. I ended up fucking the woman on date 2 this Monday night who gave me the blowjob in her car on date 1, and was kind of playing reluctant a bit as already described. I’ve got another recent Tinder match who absolutely wants to fuck me but she lives about 180 miles away. I have lots of follow up questions, and will try to post as much as… Read more »

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

FWIW, and again its always hard to tease out cause and effect but here is what I think is driving the last few weeks. I slipped on diet during the COVID gym shutdown and gained probably 10-12 pounds of bodyfat during the 10 weeks. Since May 25 when gym access reopened, I have been going flat out balls to the wall, I’m in even better shape now than pre COVID shutdown with extremely high levels of definition starting to appear. I know, externals, etc. but there is no denying this has had an impact. The Uber passenger girl I picked… Read more »

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

OK, so…Online app girl B who gave me the blowjob in her car…earlier comments lay out that, and I think I posted her text on how she was reluctant to fuck until she was “in better shape”. So how did I flip her I think, again, I’m speculating cause and effect here, I know what I did, and that I fucked the shit out of her Monday night for a couple hours, I’m not sure what caused what exactly but I think it was 2 main things. When she showed reluctance, I did NOT PRESS OR CHASE at all…I remember… Read more »

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

Mother Fuck, my comment I started to write got eaten, OK, try again, this is Online App girl that I fucked Monday night who blew me on date 1 and then was reluctant to meet again to fuck, we fucked on date 2, she was initially reluctant, and i flipped her I think due to 2 main things, I think she is now trying to boyfriend me quickly, I’ve often found myself in these situations. I basically tried to establish that I wasn’t going to chase sex with her and didn’t matter to me one way or another so I… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago
Reply to  Morpheus

Check back later. Basically you are texting and talking way way to much. And you don’t let a flabby pink haired 46 yo set limitations on your sexuality.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Morpheus She is 46 and a little thick, but pretty face, nice long legs, and awesome boobs. But she is not in my shape. I’ve been wondering about my lack of success with older women. I talked to a close female friend who I’ve mentioned here before and she said older women have “body image” issues and that I needed to do more reassuring comforting of her that I found her sexy and “hot enough”. LOL – this is all about an older woman’s difficulty in “consolidating” on you as Palma might say. get exclusivity and provisioning. Boyfriend stuff. Generally… Read more »

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

Sentient, Will do, thanks. “Flabby” 46 year old woman? Are there any at that age that are not??? LOL, haven’t seen a one yet across numerous apps. Women under say 25% BF are basically unicorns especially amongst the older ones. Now the 28 year old Uber passenger. Tight body. FWIW, I completely ignored those texts and did not respond to them. I just pretended like i didn’t even see them. My thought now is to wait and see if she brings it up again, and basically just flat out tell her I am not interested in sexual monogamy, and maybe… Read more »

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

Just saw your post AFTER I posted, i will read and study it and incorporate it going forward. Thanks.

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

“Going forward – just ping text post bang to confirm she made it home safe.” Got it. I’ll cut out the excess BS. I just wasn’t sure how much comfort was needed post bang. This woman was definitely insecure about her body so I guess i was just trying to make her feel sexy and that I enjoyed it. “Ignore any chase me texts during the week.” So with these semi-regular plates, what should be the texting frequency, no more then every 2-3 days at most? “That will keep you from avoinding the coming shit storm with her over exclusivity…… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 year ago

@Morpheus I’ve just got back and there’s a lot there to read. Gut feeling is you’re working far too hard at it. I’ll post a few screenshots of me and the nurse later, but I say almost nothing to her by text. It’s all good because you’re banging these women but it will go to shit fast bc deep down you still feel the need to qualify yourself, and the older ones will be trying to put you in the provider box. Rookie salesmen are scared of silence and feel the urge to fill any silence with shit, and I… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 year ago

@Morpheus Not much gets said by text. Not in date order but 1st is an early Sunday AM booty call: https://imgur.com/a/jGWm78W Second one she invites me over to “meet friends”, I say bring them all over to me, she shit tests with “you couldn’t handle it old man” and I ignore that. https://imgur.com/a/zuXWe7W She then invites me over and I decline the invite (bc I’ve got stuff to do) but I don’t want to go anyway. Wander to my local pub in my own instead and hit on the barmaid. https://imgur.com/a/NPn17PB We do occasionally do bf type activities (more or… Read more »

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

“LOL – this is all about an older woman’s difficulty in “consolidating” on you as Palma might say. get exclusivity and provisioning. Boyfriend stuff. Generally they make guys chase harder for the sex so they think they can get more commitment once they put it out. Otherwise she knows she is just a pump and dump and you aren’t going to stick around. She only has so many sex bullets left in her magazine as her looks continue to fade… Again it’s not anything to do with insecurity. Our Hot Girl Summer girlies are all still riding the cock carousel… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Morpheus You are going to have to really take that red pill friend. Realize this: Women are BUILT for sex. They have more nerve endings They have multiple orgasms, wave orgasms, squirting orgasms… They can think themselves to orgasm They do not need to get hard… They can keep right on fucking all night long. What we refer to as Yet Goode Olde DayZ was a society that put hard restrictions on women precisely because their libidos are uncontrollable to them… So the take away is you should never be surprised that a) they really like sex b) that they… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

FWIW, I think I got a pretty good routine going for the Uber drives. Often I get asked “how old are you”. I never answer. I make them guess. I never get anything remotely close to 46. I usually launch into some bullshit that I am a vampire and don’t age. This is called Game. You should be able to break this down since you are reading MM… I think I’ll get more of these especially as I drop another 5% BF and get down to 8-10%, and my face gets super lean.* And this is called No Game. 10%… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 year ago

@Morpheus OK, Soooo much to update on, things on the women, dating, and sex part of my life are changing for the better with the last 4-5 weeks just getting a bit crazy. I ended up fucking the woman on date 2 this Monday night who gave me the blowjob in her car on date 1, and was kind of playing reluctant a bit as already described. Good I’ve got another recent Tinder match who absolutely wants to fuck me but she lives about 180 miles away. I have lots of follow up questions, and will try to post as… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 year ago

@Morpheus I’ve not done the character count with those texts but just basic rules – firstly there have been 33 incoming texts and you’ve replied with 31 so you’re way over on rule of 2/3. You should have issued a maximum of 20. Secondly I can’t quite rationalise which woman is which but there really is no need to get into so much of a debate by text with women you’re banging. You don’t have to text at all, and in my opinion you shouldn’t. All you’re gonna do is fall into her frame with long interesting debates about loads… Read more »

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

She already agreed when I said I wanted to throat fuck her…I didn’t post that text lol. But i want to avoid the types of situations I’ve found myself in the past and so I am on guard for not repeating mistakes I’ve made. The sex with Nurse was really fucking good, but she sucked me into “relationship” I really didn’t want to be in for 11 months after my divorce. “so what have you learned?” Well, most importantly, I’m not doing the “sex for relationship” trade either explicitly or implicitly. Thank you to both you and Sentient for the… Read more »

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

“I’ve not done the character count with those texts but just basic rules – firstly there have been 33 incoming texts and you’ve replied with 31 so you’re way over on rule of 2/3. You should have issued a maximum of 20.”

Ha, I only screenshotted PART of our overall texts, but point taken. I will work on less frequent texts, and lessening the response rate to her texts.

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

why bring on the argument / conversation at this point? My thought is she is going to bring this up in person next time we meet to fuck, not sure how to dodge this in person vs text? In text, you can just ignore. What’s the answer? LIe, if I am in fact fucking other chicks. Shade the truth? Just flat out state my position, no sexual monogamy. honestly something is wrong here if you’ve got them to the mattress and they’re not coming back Maybe i fucked up the post hook-up texting, there shouldn’t be any Well…then maybe that… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 year ago

@Morpheus

“My thought is she is going to bring this up in person next time we meet to fuck, ”

Whose frame is this?…

“not sure how to dodge this in person vs text? ”

Whose frame?…

“In text, you can just ignore. ”

Frame?… Do you sense a theme?…

“What’s the answer? LIe, if I am in fact fucking other chicks. ”

Frame?…

“Shade the truth? ”

Frame?…

“Just flat out state my position, no sexual monogamy.”

Really feel that hand on your shoulder…

Good luck!

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Morpheus

” What’s the answer? ”

“Gentlemen never kiss and tell.” And change the subject.

If she presses you you can tell her it is what it is and then move on to doing something… You change her mind by changing her feelings.

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 year ago

@Morpheus

How about this.. just go cold turkey on the texts.

I’ve told them in the past “I don’t really do texting”, and just ignored all texts from them.

Especially with ones that you’ve pulled in real life as opposed to online – How about Ignore all texts?. Just phone to arrange logistics.

With all these women you are banging once, you should have at least one that you can just bang at will.

They should be coming back. It’s your frame that’s mucking this up I reckon.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

It’s your frame that’s mucking this up I reckon.

He still thinks he has to “earn it”…

All the texting is a symptom of that.

All the “8% body fat” stuff is a symptom of that.

Rst assured if he had money that would be part of that too…

Now don’t get me wrong Morpheus is making great progress. Great progress.

Which is why I want him to solve his inner game issues as fast as he can.

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 year ago

A random googling just picked up that CH has written a book on game late 2019.. who’d a a thunk that

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Heartiste-Game-Chateau/dp/1694969134

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 year ago

@Sentient / Morpheus This has cropped up in the past and I’ve often said that really all men should dump a woman but most never have. I’ll bet @Morpheus has never dumped a woman. Since I’ve just bought the paperback and this bit is on the preview anyway I’ll post it here: https://imgur.com/a/rjkkto7 @Morpheus, @Sentient is right in that you’re not acting like you’re the prize bc you don’t believe it yourself. So I’ve got a suggestion for the next couple of new women you bang (or one of the ones you have banged) and that is go radio silent… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 year ago

In fact, dump your entire current stock exactly as above and start again. Watch the fallout.

Morpheus
Morpheus
1 year ago

“I’ll bet @Morpheus has never dumped a woman.” Haha, you LOSE. I actually dumped the Nurse. Here’s the short version. Nurse caught me lying about having a Bumble account open around Valentine’s Day 2019. She was understandably upset, and I figured I’d give her a little time to get over it. She NEVER got over it. The “relationship” turned to shit, and she started playing the withholding sex game. One day in April 2019, I decided that day would be her last chance. Either she fucks me damn good and super enthusiastically like she once did, or IT IS OVER.… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 year ago

@Morpheus

There’s loads there but you’re not getting what I’m saying to such an extent I’m not sure I can make it any clearer.

I’ll comment on this though:

“A few days later she called me…”Come over and let’s have sex”, frankly I didn’t want some pathetic sex for relationship exchange but she really wanted to fuck so I went over there and fucked her.”

Nope, she didn’t “really want to fuck”

What she wanted was validation that her golden V could get you back into her frame after you had just “dumped her” – which it did.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

CH has written a book on game late 2019 Publishing date implies a year or more of writing before that. Perhaps that explains the really serious decline in the Comments section at CH beginning sometime in 2017 or 2018? Ultimately it was the mouth breathing Boomer commenters who dragged the site down to the pit of Cancellation. So 800 pages more or less? Must be a pile of CH essays in there, I hope some editing was involved. On the SPamazon page happily CH’s book is often bought along with Pook and of course Rational Male. Nothing like that was… Read more »

IASGame
IASGame
1 year ago

Hi all, I’ve been trying to comment but without much success.

IASGame
IASGame
1 year ago

@Everyone: Thanks Palma for the info on how you were commenting. Update on N=5: if you recall I banged this one twice, it wasn’t very good, she had the “oral only for bfs”. After 2nd bang she was being annoying and I told her “changed my plans, I’m going to do something else next morning” (she was pissed) and then lockdown kicked in and hadn’t seen her since. I tried 2 or 3 times to raise temperature and get her to come over but she was allegedly worried about COVID (read: not attracted enough). Eventually as people get fed up… Read more »

IASGame
IASGame
1 year ago

Mini-FR: camping trip with N=3, N=5 (oh boy) and several others potential targets. N=3 is active plate, N=5 I’d say might be recoverable. I find N=3 hotter and prettier, and the sex is much, much better than N=5. I was interested mostly in getting pre-selection and maybe line-up a future N=6 (or whatever) down the line as the logistics were going to be (and were) difficult enough that with N=3 the most daring thing I did was to finger here over her shorts, lift her top and suck each nipple once. I’m riding with another guy (has a gf not… Read more »

Oatis Nohbdy
Oatis Nohbdy
1 year ago

Field Report Name: Miss J Date: Friday, July 17, 2020 Hard 9 Feminine, attractive, not afraid to show it. 22 YO African American. 5’0. Size 0. All her weight is found in her tits and ass. Yoga enthusiast. Easily one of the hotter girls iv hooked up with. Top 5 A little about me: 28, Caucasian, working full time in sales. 26 notches and counting. Growing up, my strategy consisted of night game, gutter game, banging girls in social circles etc but I never really felt like I had a handle relationships. Nothing I did was duplicatable and I desired… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Good stuff IAS. Putting it all together.

IAS
IAS
1 year ago

@Palma: given that it was months ago, I’m reposting the March FRs with N=5, the “no oral” girl. Here is the first one. This was posted 2nd of March. Feel free to skip. @Everyone: N=5 🙂 This is good strategically because N=2 and N=4 are out of the country and this helps not to “rely” too much on N=3. F-closing N=5 was fairly standard but a few observations overall on the “social circle” in question and so on, advice welcomed as always. I’m not really doing cold approach (I should do some actually), 3, 4 and 5 are from the… Read more »

IAS
IAS
1 year ago

@Palma: this is the second FR, posted on March 12. Here goes the repost… @Everyone: update on N=5 aka no BJ girl (she is like 32-33 BTW). I was away from town and I sent her some message giving her a helpful suggestion on something, on International Women Day, and she went a bit off the rails and it devolved into a bit of a feminist rant. I replied for a while, not apologizing but apparently not passing the shit test either, then it was getting ridiculous and I stopped replying. That must have passed the shit test, so she… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Oatis Great FR. It’s a drug for a while… Nothing more fun than blowing up some random chicks day like that. She’s just going around her day… Dozens of guys looking at her and wishing and then BOOM!!! You roll up and take over… Lol And she is just swept away literally. Enjoy. For guys struggling with cold approach if you keep up and follow game technical game you will get to this point. The point where it’s lots of fun and you can’t NOT go open girls. Now I’m not a big fan of the London Day Game model… Read more »

IAS
IAS
1 year ago

@Everyone: with the 2 reposts above (feel free to skip, obviously), I will also add some details on what happened recently when I got N=5 to my place in July but didn’t bang. She had pre-warned me before I saw her at the birthday party that she had put on weight (and she visibly did in her belly, rest of the body is still quite fine but it is a shame she let herself go). At my place after having lunch and chilling for a bit this exchange happens: N5: “Do I look fatter? Be honest!” IAS: “Ahah. You’d have… Read more »

IAS
IAS
1 year ago

Back to the camping trip… Alpha buddy is henceforth Mr. T (the one from his birthday outing). Highlight 3: I’m “tormenting” Target C about seeing my ass in front of Target T and N=5. Before setting up for the night people go to brush teeth and Mr. T and I have electric toothbrushes so of course vibrator insinuations pop-up and I make Target C, T and N=5 laugh (in the two instances that I banged her, N=5 used my e-toothbrush, I just swapped a new brush head in for her). Highlight 4: I sat this one out because I don’t… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

IAS

“N5: “Do I look fatter? Be honest!””

Question meet Mr. Question

IAS: what do you think?

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

IAS

Intrasexual competition

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt-mvLe0Qbg

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

IAS I want you to think about this. And this is for Morpheus as well… So you are hanging out with these “hawt guys” and they are getting tons of IOIs right? And yet it is you who is fucking his way through all these girls… Lol How about that? This is why I say never think about other guys in a set. Be aware of the dynamics you see, but don’t sweat things. Almost all the time the guy does not fuck the girl you are going for. Shots fired Morpheus… Be aware. When you get out to in… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

As a footnote to the SATC clip above ..

Hawt Guy waiter now 48. Marrying a 28 yo. They met at 44 and 24 for all you “old guys” thinking about 20s women …

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8006109/Jason-Lewis-engaged-girlfriend-Liz-Godwin-asked-woman-dreams-marry-me.html

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 year ago

@IAS

I’ve skip read this and will look properly later but for now kick Mr T off that fucking pedestal. He’s probably ghey anyway.

Or if he isn’t, pretend he is.

===> going by the book he should be treated like an ugly girl.

IAS
IAS
1 year ago

@Palma and Sentient: I wrote about it precisely because I think I am having some insecurity with it and I don’t like it. It is true, N=3, 4 and 5 I banged despite Mr. T being around at some time or the other and I’m over 90% sure none of them got banged by Mr. T. He used to just visit, now he actually moved to the city so now I’ll be forced to deal with it and improve from myself from the opportunity. I count as hot myself. Mr. T actually slightly shorter than me but just really wide… Read more »

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