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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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@ford With the ones you’re banged before you’re missing C like I was and still do. If you’re using canned openers and running out of road then you’re probably closing and not opening, if you spank into them hard enough and force them to qualify then they should give you ammunition for the next hit. Openers are : what, where, when, why, how.. Ford: “What the fuck are those things in your ears.” Then the key is to shut up and look at her while she blows.. two ears, one mouth, that’s the ratio. Bird: “Who the fuck are you… Read more »

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Ps you’re not bad at 2nd meets, you’re just assuming you can carry on from where you left off and you can’t, you have to start from ground zero all over again.

Nothing carries over until you’ve banged her twice.

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Oh, I’m definitely going! It’s all booked and sorted. Packing later on when I get home from loading lorries!! smile
Luckily lots of my friends are loaded, so i’ll be OK if they decide to do any expensive things during the trip! haha

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@Blaximus Palmasailor

The fact that his archive and book are still always referred to shows he knew what he was talking about when it came to Game.

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@Game

Stick around, something about the style/structure of your writings leads me to believe you may have a shot at having a decent head on your shoulders. Stick around, explore girls all you want, lot of hustlers in the red pill mostly all hustle with the exception of Rollo, Ryan, and Carl these days so keep your eyes/mind sharp.

Guy don’t step on the lot unless he wants to buy.

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@Culum Even opening – the times I completely nailed opening were when I focussed on repetition – like during HABD’s 400 Open challenge and a few other smaller scale versions in clubs (and I remember HABD kept asking if I’d reached “the feeling” yet – the feeling of it all becoming routine and a bit boring to go and open another girl, ho-hum – which I did, right at the end of the challenge, but I’ve struggled to recapture that feeling consistently – which is actually very similar to my physical training – first I can’t do something at all.… Read more »

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@Culum Struan I hear you brother, you are on the path. If you haven’t already you may need a transition/forging challenge in your life that will prove to yourself that you fully belong in man land, unfortunately this can’t be gained via women. Something like go into the woods for a week or so with minimal provisions and survive off the land, go to an agricultural field and work for a month with migrant workers doing backbreaking manual jobs, it has to be physical and it has to push you to your breaking point. The purpose of this is two… Read more »

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@ noob Look, it’ll get you P in V – which actually you’re already getting..(I know you want to be the chooser and you “think” you’re not) Just be careful you don’t become the game or fall into the trap of believing the women you are banging are into “you” they are not, they are fucking what you are emulating. Their hindbrain has been tricked. Women can become your mission, and then they have power over you that you’ll end up paying for dearly. Post your field reports of you want to. You shouldn’t have that much spare time if… Read more »

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Gamenoob See, this is what’s so frustrating. Nobody ever said YareAlly didn’t know what he was talking about wrt pua. Over years he was pressed for more details about his experiences, and the closest I recall was him saying 1) he was in a relationship that didn’t work out – ” relationship ” defined as sitting on couch watching Netflix in worn out underwear, 2) he believed everyone kids to him growing up. That’s pretty much it. But outside of pua, he didn’t seen to know very much else, or have decent experiences – this came through in his own… Read more »

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@Gamenoob So I’ll try to give you a clue how this works out. Right now I’m sitting in one of my local pubs and upstairs they have a dance class. (~~ Tin hats on for the gamer spin up (HABD derivative)) Quite a lot of women go including several “would bangs” so I thought I’d get off the sofa and come down and give it a go. Only thing is, I am not, and never have been interested in dancing in the slightest. I thought that might change but I just looked at the gig and thought “nah”. I even… Read more »

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@j VERY helpful link to Teevester’s tactics on sexualisation: “Or another innovation: Sex Talk. Invented by Teevster https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/321180-my-dream-verbal-stack” Have recently had a few messaging exchanges with some 20-somethings – although I lack text game to close a meet, despite coming close a couple of times (they both flaked at the last minute). That said, I do get the value of not just talking a good game, but in walking a good game. Eg, in my early days with Babushka, I would tell her how I was going to make her cum … and then do so in the exact manner… Read more »

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@Calum Struan “I will leave you with a martial arts analogy. What you are saying is kind of like someone saying “All this martial arts stuff is nonsense bro – just have big muscles and be aggressive and hit first in a fight and you’ll win”. And the thing is, being big and aggressive IS helpful and you will win most fights – until you come across someone who is a trained fighter who is just better than you and you’ll be flat on your back (or worse) no matter how aggressive and how big you are, and then you… Read more »

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@Tantum

Yes, but I’m martial arts you become that man. You are capable of delivering those moves.

It’s not a life size photo of Bruce Lee stuck on to Harry Hills body that you are using to fool your opposition.

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@Palma Culum Blaximus Foxguy Okay. Let me give you my perspective and what has happened to me in my life. Before discovering pickup/Game I thought I was a shy person, introverted and not really social. That was the story I had told myself all my life. After I discovered Game they said you have to become social and a good conversationalist to get girls. Pussy was the motivator so I forced myself to socialize, and after a few months I discovered I love to socialize and that I am not really shy, now it is something that brings me joy… Read more »

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@ Palmasailor @Sentient “Tantum and I are going to hit town more and put it through the paces by the numbers. Our logistics don’t mesh so that’s a pain in the arse but I need the disciple of being reported back on to you mugs. Need to be able to show my face without hanging my head in shame” Looking forward to it, Palma – and you know that I have absolutely NO fear of falling flat on my arse – that’s my only saving grace at the moment. As for ‘hanging your head in shame’ – not at all;… Read more »

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Ok nooby

If what you say is true then you are changing the man into what you want him to be. But it’s you that’s changing the man legitimately, you’re not faking it and yareally was.

So take what you want from him but discard the rest.

On the dancing front, it’s right that you should try it because you’re 20ish? And haven’t tried it but I’m in my 50’s and have tried it more than once.

😉

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@Tantum Ergo – thanks! On 20s girls flaking – especially (but not only) because you met them online – it’s normal. Don’t think of it as a mistake you did. You can only risk-mitigate (stuff like never booking anything more than 1 day in advance, and ideally the same day..always having a backup plan etc). I seem to say this in every post, but YaReally had a lot of stuff on text game and mitigating flaking both – worth reading. @Palma – no, the martial arts analogy works for pickup. It’s not sticking a picture of Bruce Lee on your… Read more »

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Seduction is defined in the Cambridge English Dictionary, as the act of persuading someone to have sex with you. I am a Pickup artist. And so, when I go about this timeless art of persuading someone to have sex with you, there are a list of dos and do nots I engage in. I do NOT lie to women, that I’m interested in seducing, that I will become their boyfriend, if they’d sleep with me first. I do NOT promise them a starring role in my upcoming film or tempt her with a job promotion, if she’ll get down on… Read more »

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@ Blaximus “It goes back to the idea of Yin and Yang. It’s important to have a rational, reasonable,reality based understanding of life and things, but it is of equal importance to understand and develop feelings. One without the other is a state of imbalance, and in imbalance there can’t be lasting internal peace or confidence or freedom.” Yin and Yang or as the old Japanese masters put it, ‘In-Yo’ – ‘Breathing in and out; Active and Passive’. This is the perception, wisdom and understanding of Zen – the way that the Warriors of old lived their lives. This is… Read more »

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@HABD

“same with girls… bc game is just the martial art of intersexual dynamics…lol… but not kidding…”

So … proficiency in one area (Martial Arts) ought to convey some transferable skills into the other (‘the Venusian Arts’ – as MM puts it).

Needing to make the transition.

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@Palmasailor I get you … “Yes, but I’m martial arts you become that man. You are capable of delivering those moves.” Yes, you do, and yes I am – through years of training, developing technique and overcoming the fear of being hit – which is always an occupational hazard of training which reduces over time and with practice at the threshold of one’s capability. “It’s not a life size photo of Bruce Lee stuck on to Harry Hills body that you are using to fool your opposition.” Indeed – and no-one will buy it. Women can smell a fake in… Read more »

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@Culum Struan “On 20s girls flaking – especially (but not only) because you met them online – it’s normal. Don’t think of it as a mistake you did. You can only risk-mitigate (stuff like never booking anything more than 1 day in advance, and ideally the same day..always having a backup plan etc). I seem to say this in every post, but YaReally had a lot of stuff on text game and mitigating flaking both – worth reading.” I think that you have already steered me in the direction of YaReally’s text game, and that you sent me a link,… Read more »

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:: Abortive / Potential FR – Saturday Night (10th August 2019) :: First up, this isn’t really a Field Report, but, I think that I had a v e r y narrow window as a a result of an IOI, which, had I captitalised on, might have been interesting … @Palmasailor already knows the details. Here goes: Was having a beer on Saturday night in a local bar near to where I live. A young couple came in (white Beta BF with ‘on-trend’ beard and slim Indian / Asian GF). When he went up to the bar to order her… Read more »

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TantumErgo “I wasn’t consciously ‘on the hunt’” I drop a bollock with this time after time. About 5 years ago I was heading into central London on my own on the train. Solidly fit and very attractive much younger woman (32?) struggles into the train with her young daughter and bags and buggy. Obv. Single mother but hot and sits opposite me>with her daughter next to her. We get to Marylebone and she’s flapping, so I say “let me help you with some of that” Her “ok thank you” smiles and hair behind ear PS: (in packed carriage) “what shall… Read more »

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Palmasailor He’s in North Korea – inaccessible behind enemy lines with Stockholm Syndrome. That’s where it is and I need a life as well. If he emerges in here and I’ve told him that. But he has to emerge. This story is familiar to me. You can’t know how much of that brainwashing is sticking, and how much of it is “I see 4 lights” blather to keep her off of his case. You remember being his age, right? Sometimes it was like being a spy undercover in some dictatorship. One thing that might just happen: he gets out of… Read more »

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habd on guard-dog-spinup other dudes out in the world end up in various flavors of dead…lol… but not kidding… One of those in my area a few years back. In an upscale housing area. Textbook – loud arguments from time to time, lovey dovey makup. Then one night she called an ambulance. He was bleeding out from the torso, still trying to cover for her by lying to the EMT’s, something about “ran into a …”. The blue pill will kill a man. She was a little clever; the cops never found whatever it was she stabbed him with. She… Read more »

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We all left the bar at the same time and on the walk I spoke to her about her university course and tried to lead the convo in a slightly more man-to-woman topics and she told me the guys her age don’t every approach her

That hunger is real. A man with clear vision can see it just about everywhere.

Time for this vid again. Entertaining and instructive.

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@Gamenoob92 Just post an FR and you’ll get feedback on your sticking points. You’ll see if you’re ready for some 🔥🔥🔥 to get better. @TantumErgo When he went up to the bar to order her a cocktail, she did a 180-degree turn to look at me (my back was to her) and then flashed a smile at me (clearly an IOI). Had half-a-mind to get her number while the BF was at the bar, but didn’t move fast enough While going for the number after her just flashing a smile at you on her date(?) is not optimal (what had… Read more »

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@Palmsailor Palma “PS: (in packed carriage) “what shall I carry, I could steal your daughter and sell her body for medical science or take your luggage and rummage through your underwear?” – eye contact… and she flicks hair looks at ground.” “She mumbles that she hasn’t had any interesting underwear for some time, and her eyes flirt back and forth to mine while I’m smiling and so is she.” So she responded to your classic piss-taking humour with a not so tacit admission that she isn’t getting any good sex (if at all) plus the hair-preening. Strong IOIs = 1… Read more »

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@IRL << When he went up to the bar to order her a cocktail, she did a 180-degree turn to look at me (my back was to her) and then flashed a smile at me (clearly an IOI). Had half-a-mind to get her number while the BF was at the bar, but didn’t move fast enough >> “While going for the number after her just flashing a smile at you on her date(?) is not optimal (what had she done to earn your interest?), I’m all for making a move and doing whatever comes to mind. You can’t get better… Read more »

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Hello everyone. My name is David and I am new here. I was referred The Rational Male to me by a close friend after experiencing a bit of sexual frustration and dissatisfaction in how my 3 year long relationship was playing out. I am almost done with the first book, and I have been reading the blog more lately, and it definitely speaks to me a lot. I am 17, and I will be a senior in High school and turn 18 soon. My girlfriend is a younger senior and just turned 17. Essentially what this issue I am experiencing… Read more »

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And thank you all for your help with this it is greatly appreciated. I look forward to learning more and using this knowledge to better my life.

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Somewhat of a PSA, after reading the past few pages, especially for the newbies and lurkers: Just post Field Reports if you want help. If you just post a FR, and ask for help, you’ll get it. I’ve never seen anyone here get bushwhacked for posting a strict FR and asking for advice. Your only goal in life could be to bang as many women as possible and you don’t even care if you end up homeless and drunk and shooting heroin behind a dumpster somewhere, but if you just share the FR and ask for advice, pretty much 100%… Read more »

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@HABD / Anonymous Reader Firstly this has only been a relatively recent “glitch on the Matrix” until about 9 months ago we had a very good close relationship. Because of that she’s having to pull out all the stops and use all possible propaganda, and a lot of this will be obvious to him. “and when/if he ’emerges’ what will he find?… congruence or incongruence with mom’s narrative?…” If he looks hard enough he’ll find historical incongruence. But it will probably look like congruence and she will change the narrative to suit what is found and claim that was what… Read more »

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On a lighter note:

Fucking lol’d at J giving the thumbs up at the end of the video of him banging that chick. I watched it along with this playing in the background. If you time it right, right when he gives the thumbs up, it goes, “Mentos: the freshmaker!”

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@Softek +1 😊 Thoughtful and considered post with some good analogies and examples on what it means to communicate in a masculine frame. I deal with a lot of young men and women (late 20s / early 30s) in my line of work, and, while I expect the women to ramble on in their comminications, most of the young men do so as well, because nobody ever taught them how to get to the point, construct an argument, and be assertive in the way they express themselves; this is a hallmark in the way men communicate. Most of the young… Read more »

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Also on a lighter note, and because some of us here obsess a bit about this kind of thing (you know who you are), when I saw this comic today I thought of you!

http://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/bigolstf.png?t=82BB0D

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@DavidF170 The first thing you need to do is make sure you can legally have sex with a girl. Wherever girl that is, wherever you are, you need to make sure she is old enough. If she isn’t then go talk to a girl that is old enough. There are lots of girls. Next thing, you are very young, and you don’t actually owe your girlfriend anything, and she doesn’t owe you anything. Right now, you can talk to and sleep with other girls if you want to, and she can, and probably will sleep with other boys if she… Read more »

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@DavidF170 You might want to think about using a different handle in places like this. I could nominate “youngshagger” if you can’t think of one Firstly well done, you have a woman you are having sex with, most young men haven’t got that so you’re ahead of the game. “The advice I am really looking for however is how long will it take to regain the frame, and have this relationship be on my terms? Is it possible considering how deeply seated this feminine centric relationships are for her?” The answer to your specific question is that it is possible… Read more »

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Welcome David. Break it off. You’ve started the relationship on the wrong foot and only with enormous amounts of recalibration could you reestablish yourself as Alpha. You’ve got physical and intellectual chops. That’s the basis for physical desire. That don’t mean shit after at this point. You’ve set a standard of equality in fact she will not relinquish. She’ll accept your Alpha only after you leave her…and for a year or five. Perhaps you can bang her at your 5 or 10 yr reunion in a better frame and make it go then. If you break it off quick and… Read more »

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@DavidF170 / youngshagger You’re cruising in the right direction but still asking wrong questions (that’s ok, part of the process). Look, it’s not about her and it’s not about saving this LTR. It’s about you and your personal journey. Which may be without her and you need to be ready to accept it. I could say it’s possible to turn it around. At the same time being with just this one girl (soon in a Long Distance Relationship) will just delay inevitable: discovering of what you’re capable of and what you really want in life. Because you’ll try to accommodate… Read more »

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Some great stuff going on… IRL – Never forget the meatballs!!! lol http://www.emikodavies.com/blog/nonna-annas-polpette/ But man that Blax stuff is really HoF / sidebar worthy… Good stuff Blax… Softek In a very weird way it’s like I went through a long rite of passage in my mid 20’s. Maybe in some tribal society or a masculine urban society I woulda gone through that in childhood. But here we are. Exactly this. Masculine development REQUIRES this kind of passage and development. And btw you can get it as a MC suburban kid as well… so get after it. And consider this, if… Read more »

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Blax overworks it for young guys. They don’t connect to him as well as her like as lecturing the masses dilutes the meaning.

Speaking of meaninglessness, Blax recommends that young men have enough pointless sex until sex itself becomes pointless. Then, young men should search for meaning in sex.

Huh?

Anyone here see a downside to that?

Anyone?

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@Palmasailor sounds like you’ve got it sorted… and props on that!!!!… just have to run out the clock… a couple points that i saw… Firstly this has only been a relatively recent “glitch on the Matrix” until about 9 months ago we had a very good close relationship. Because of that she’s having to pull out all the stops and use all possible propaganda, and a lot of this will be obvious to him. and Before it kicked off I had sent him various snippets on women and game. We were out somewhere and a woman was bitching her man… Read more »

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@TantumErgo

@HABD

“same with girls… bc game is just the martial art of intersexual dynamics…lol… but not kidding…”

So … proficiency in one area (Martial Arts) ought to convey some transferable skills into the other (‘the Venusian Arts’ – as MM puts it).

Needing to make the transition.

yep… just different forms of blocking/punching/positioning/etc…lol…

good luck!

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Tantum / IRL IRL is opening your eyes Tantum to “the game”… this isn’t really a Field Report, Well every observation from The Field is a FR… Don’t discount the dozens of short little daily interactions, you can learn from all of them. First you learn by spotting them in real time, then you learn by going through the process to wherever it leads. The more, the more learning potential. Was having a beer on Saturday night in a local bar near to where I live. A young couple came in (white Beta BF with ‘on-trend’ beard and slim Indian… Read more »

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David, Imagine yourself with the same situation when you are 27 years old. Or 37. It’s enough to make a guy puke. You must realize the opportunity you have next fall when you go to college. A whole new adventure. And wrestling is a microcosm of masculinity. Isn’t it? One of the most important thing in wrestling is individual excellence, but also team cohesiveness. Team cohesiveness in terms of a tribe competing against other tribes. A brotherhood. Do what you want with this girl during high school, but don’t be a fool and thing she is of any value to… Read more »

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😂😂😂😂😂

Dogfish!!!!!!!!!

😂😂😂😂😂

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@Sentient

“dogfish”…

lol… that was great!!!

i believe the ‘sphere just got a new label/definition…lol

good luck!

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Sentient Dudes get touchy if they get ” critiqued ” because all that matters is putting penis in vagina, period, but imo that kind of ” sex ” is like servicing a chick. It was either you or a dildo. Considering female anatomy ( nerve concentrations and all ) I can’t see how it’s possible that a chick in doggie, which is the deepest penetration, could just be casually hanging out while getting thrusted. ” Doggie ” is supposed to be an ” oh shit!!! ” moment for her, not an ” okay, I’m going to do this ” type… Read more »

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“her phone was right there, at least she wasn’t actually on it” After our third session. Her friend facetimed her from Uber. She had just left, some dudes place and refused to fuck him because he had a small dick. Once she saw it, she said “she’s not that type of girl” and we laughed about it. Things got sexual, then I started escalating, and began fucking her. I had mentioned how I have this fetish for fucking girls while they’re talking on the phone. Might upload the clip about us laughing about it when, when I get home. Very… Read more »

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“imo that kind of ” sex ” is like servicing a chick. It was either you or a dildo”

lol y’all real tempting me to post that 3 hour clip

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@HABD There is a repeated message that is coming down the pipe that I should “Try Harder” or “I’m not making any effort”. It’s true that after 9 months of travelling with him on the train both ways to collect him and take him back for access I dug in and told him to make the journey on his own. It’s about 1.5 hours each way. He plays hockey, is a brown belt at karate and has enough confidence to throw a bucket of ice cubes at the tits of a group of 4 30 year old women we didn’t… Read more »

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Is that an avatar of you about to mount a cake?

I have this fetish for fucking girls while they’re talking on the phone.

Well don’t be a piker, try giving her a book next time then… Maybe an iced tea on the side table. lol Sounds like some hot sex.

There is some strange fetish porn where chicks are on their computers and stuff, oblivious to whatever the guy is doing. And this is “validating” to guys? Strange times.

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Palma

“He plays hockey…”

Nuff said right there. All will be well.

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“There is some strange fetish porn.”

As in….talking to her boyfriend or her mom (that one was more for lolz than turn on tbh) on the phone…trying to keep her composure while I’m fucking her.

But keep trying tho

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Please. No more ” sex ” clips.

Thanks.

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@Palmasailor i just want to point out some things here… definitely not trying to second guess your situ… buuut… lol @HABD There is a repeated message that is coming down the pipe that I should “Try Harder” or “I’m not making any effort”. i’m assuming this is by your son?… it’s either parroting your ex’s talking points.. OR it’s his own thoughts (and how else could he ask for more time with you without pissing off his mother?…serious question)… either way, is your ‘not agreeing’ to make that trip with him, you pushing back bc it’s something that your ex… Read more »

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@HABD It was about self reliance, and rightly or wrongly I didn’t back down. I never usually back down on much and that’s what’s built me and him both for good and for bad. More good than bad I think. I can’t actually “give in” now. He wrote to the court a letter that I can’t post here, it was 3 pages long and was basically that he doesn’t want to see me. He now won’t travel down at all, even if I collect him, and if I go up, I get half an hour to go out for an… Read more »

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@ Culum Thanks for the advice on the volume of approaches question I had. There are certain people in the community that say, as a beginner just open a lot and there are challenges tailored around opening to overcome AA and then there are people who say that is not essential and their advice is from the beginning to pick sets which are more conducive to hook such as girls that are stationary, walking slowly, are alone etc. Which approach did you take to overcome AA in your early days? I started on a beginner challenge of just opening a… Read more »

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Gamenoob “And yes I still am not completely comfortable with opening when other people are around, when the girl is walking fast etc. ” And moving to sniping solo girls is only going to make this harder. Olde Skool Game was about identifying and overcoming your “sticking points” by taking “massive action”. Not by using hacks and seeking cheat codes around them. Though those are easier sells. This is what “putting in the work” is about. Not jetting off to seemingly greener pastures. Facts are facts. Hot girls are almost always going to be with someone. You need to be… Read more »

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On this

“(white Beta BF with ‘on-trend’ beard and slim Indian / Asian GF). ”

Tread carefully in analyzing other guys. It rarely leads to good outcomes. For example this guy might appear “beta” or “Soy” or whatever but he is likely fucking her.

Focus always on you and the girl and your interaction with her. That’s what it is about.

Otherwise you may misjudge the guy in either direction and set yourself up for failure. He is not the target.

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@palmasailor well, overall, that s*cks… but it’s always my position that there is no such thing as a ‘set too far’…lol and that includes family relationships…lol just gotta bring your RP ‘A game’… and it just depends on what you actually want to see in the world of your life… what ‘s your best case scenario?… i’m pretty sure you can get there… just might take some time and effort… @HABD It was about self reliance, and rightly or wrongly I didn’t back down. I never usually back down on much and that’s what’s built me and him both for… Read more »

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@Gamenoob

I’m not on the GC forum. I recommended it, so you can get feedback on your field reports from the guys over there in addition to over here. The good posters (the GC writers) are in my group chat, and unfortunately don’t post much (if at all) over there. But feedback is feedback.

One of them, Grand Pooba, has posted a couple a good field reports that you might find helpful:

Daygame LR. Opening a girl walking fast:

https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20796

Nightgame LR featuring Bacchus and Kant:

https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20695

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re: dogfish sex (lol) No comment on J’s post. Just using this as an opportunity to make a point I’m quite adamant about: Quality over quantity. I’ve said it before: both are ideal, but if you have to have one, quality wins every time. The obsession with N count really does a number on guys, and puts women on a pedestal. If a guy has fucked only one girl, but has done so hundreds or thousands of times, and every single time was intense, great sex, that counts for a lot. My N count is 1 if we’re talking about… Read more »

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@HABD No court order. But it should have been in my favour which is why his mother shit the bed for a solid 6 months while she kicked it round the system until he hit 16 and he was out of the court jurisdiction. She will have been expecting me to win in court. I’ve been in front of more judges personally representing my company with no lawyer more than most lawyers have been in front of judges and she’s witnessed that from the sidelines. The new bloke didn’t get laid for THAT 6 months lol… but not kidding! 😉… Read more »

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** and in celebration of his exam results ….

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Hey all. Thanks for your responses. Another logistic thing to be considered in this LTR is that her family is in a significantly higher socioeconomic class than my own… her family has gifted me a car, a cruise, a vacation, and they have a cruise booked for next July that they already paid for, so I would look like the biggest douche and it most likely would not end well. (I can deal with that however I am a big boy) and as far as now the sex is 100 percent legal, but i will admit their was a time… Read more »

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@youngshagger

You’ve just made my night 😂

Give the car back. Give me your PayPal and I’ll send you £500 for a scrapper. Fuck them, and their attempts to control you with their beta bux.

Clear her out now.

“Won’t end well” who the fuck do they thing they’re dealing with.

Seriously – sack her and deliver their fucking car back.

PayPal to palmasailor@outlook.com

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Lmfao the funny part about the car is that they already transferred the car title to me so they cannot do shit.

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“If a guy has fucked only one girl, but has done so hundreds or thousands of times, and every single time was intense, great sex, that counts for a lot.” ya that’s cool and all but I need variety like my man spongebob needs water Variety + quality Nah, but sex with this girl was all kinds of desire sex. From picking her up in the club (“you’re making me horny” were her last words she said before I tossed her ass in the cab). To riding in the cab while I positioned her head on my lap, and placed… Read more »

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@ Palma

“Fuck them, and their attempts to control you with their beta bux.”

meet

“offer to buy him a new skateboard if he passes a small compliance test (which he’s done before) but means he doesn’t get it “free””.

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Now put yourself in your son’s shoes.

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In that case be the “douche”.

Sack her.

If you want to call the £500 then call it. I actually think others might chip in a bit but don’t expect a Ferrari.. lol..

Understand the gravity of the situation you’re in when a man halfway across the planet that you don’t even know has offered what I did and hasn’t asked for a payback. You’re in trouble with this situation and you’re young.

They are exploiting this.

You’re a young man and you need out of this situation.

Clear it down right now.

Honestly sack her.

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@Palmsailor @youngshagger THIS… “You’ve just made my night Give the car back. Give me your PayPal and I’ll send you £500 for a scrapper. Fuck them, and their attempts to control you with their beta bux. Clear her out now. “Won’t end well” who the fuck do they thing they’re dealing with. Seriously – sack her and deliver their fucking car back. PayPal to palmasailor@outlook.com” LOL! youngshagger (Loving the name-chsnge! H/T Palma. 😊) Your LTR GF and her family are trying to ‘buy’ you…. I was 19 when I had my first LTR GF… I went through the whole nine… Read more »

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So you would agree that them buying all that shit for me was a means of control and incentive for me to serve their daughter? Even though it would appear as them being generous to say my family? Regardless of this current LTR, one thing I have decided and I know is that I want a family (preferably a large one if I can support it) in my life. Long Term MGTOW or strictly PUA as a means to fuck multiple women long term is not something that interests me. If anything I know my goals and values align with… Read more »

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@TantumErgo Thankyou you are damn right honestly.

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“Another logistic thing to be considered in this LTR is that her family is in a significantly higher socioeconomic class than my own…

You are confusing logistics with semantics.

Those things are not logistics, except in your head.

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@youngshagger “So you would agree that them buying all that shit for me was a means of control and incentive for me to serve their daughter? Even though it would appear as them being generous to say my family?” Exactly correct. This is EXACTLY what my first wife’s family did to me. Not joking. Clear the entire tribe the fuck out. You will get a woman on your own terms if you have the courage to make the difficult decisions. The first one is to sack these arseholes the fuck out of your life. Are you delivering that car back?… Read more »

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Eh See my statement about variety and spongebob, then look again at my advice about banging as many chicks until.my See why I say what I said? There’s no words to reason with a young or old guy that says stuff like ” need ” and ” variety “. ” Need ” . Important distinction that speaks volumes. ” Need “. ” Need sex “. ” Need variety “. The only way to break this long enough for a man to stop being needy, like a child, is to flood him with what he says he needs. My grandmother tried… Read more »

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@youngshagger

There are some very knowledgeable and wise heads in this forum:

@ Sentient
@ IRL
@ Culum Struan
@ SKF
@ Palmasailor
@ EhIntellect

… to name but a few… and whose advice and experience is solid gold.

You have some good things going for you: You are only 17, and have “physical and mental chops”.

Plus, you have come here to RM FR, and have already started your study of RP.

Go with this, and you will be fine.

I am three times your age, and only coming to my RP awakening now…

Tantum

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@palmasailor couple quick points… @HABD No court order. But it should have been in my favour which is why his mother shit the bed for a solid 6 months while she kicked it round the system until he hit 16 and he was out of the court jurisdiction. She will have been expecting me to win in court. I’ve been in front of more judges personally representing my company with no lawyer more than most lawyers have been in front of judges and she’s witnessed that from the sidelines. The new bloke didn’t get laid for THAT 6 months lol…… Read more »

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Do you guys think this situation is too far gone at this point? What if I tested out some dread games?

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@Palmasailor I am really considering the offer. I think when I go through with this I got to give it back and start clean.

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“Do you guys think this situation is too far gone at this point?”

The situation is not to far gone. Your girlfriend is. She is too set in her ways. And she will take her “advantage” to the grave.

You want to be with her when you go to college? Why?

Because her parents are wealthy?

What is important is you focusing on your wrestling and your future career.

You shouldn’t think about “settling down” for another 10 years. Get down facts and understanding. You’ll have more wisdom to choose via free will when you are 27.

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@Gamenoob92 First – what Sentient said. In spades. I’m not lecturing you from on high – approaching is still the weakest link in my Game too. But I did at least face it head and make significant improvements when I did the 400 Open challenge (asking 400 girls for directions in a weekend). If you look at this FR thread and go back to about June 2018, you’ll see my FRs (I think the second half of June sometime). Second, I think the worst thing you can do is to keep flipping between different systems (which is what you’re doing… Read more »

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Oh and Gamenoob – if you actually do the 400 Open Challenge, I think it’s fine to start with the “easier” girls – stationary, alone etc. The most important thing is to get over the initial awkwardness and build momentum. ONce you’ve built that momentum (and your subconscious gets that the girls are not going to whip out a can of Mace and spray you for asking for directions), I think you’ll naturally find it pretty easy to open so-called “harder” sets – specially since you are NOT trying to pull them or get a number etc – you don’t… Read more »

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“@Palmasailor I am really considering the offer. I think when I go through with this I got to give it back and start clean.”

Send me your PayPal and I will transfer the money

Start clean young man.

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Oh and HABD – you really think even a brand name Ivy League college is a bad deal now (outside STEM subjects)? Why? Just because of the financial burden for most families? Or other reasons? Still a route into (or to remain in) the UMC isn’t it, entirely separate from the knowledge gained?

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“Do you guys think this situation is too far gone at this point? What if I tested out some dread games?”

Handing back the car is the most bad arse dread game you can get right now.

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@ Blax “The only way to break this long enough for a man to stop being needy, like a child, is to flood him with what he says he needs.” I understand the above and respectfully disagree and on attested reality. First thought: You are not flooding anyone with sex, nor cars, nor huge 401K’s, nor tight family ties…with any of your words…no one has become a Blax knock off here. Those are words of success that appeal to you. You did that, want that and assume that will work for other men. It doesn’t work that way…you know this…every… Read more »

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@ j I’m not jumping to any conclusions, personally. Doesn’t matter what anyone here thinks, as long as you’re doing what you want to do and following the Platinum Rule, that’s all that matters. I’m just making a general point that guys like me aren’t doing themselves any favors by freaking themselves out over N count, especially if they’ve had at least some good sexual experiences and understand what desire sex is like. That’s all I’m sayin’. If it came off as criticizing you personally, or the vid, that wasn’t my intention. I was making a separate point just inspired… Read more »

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“I think when I go through with this I got to give it back and start clean.”

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it isn’t about “banging as many chicks as possible” or being needy. I just want (need, like RSD, is apparently a trigger word for you) it (variety) when I want it is all. I don’t: Eat the same meals everyday. Listen to the same music everyday. Watch the same movie everytime I want to watch a movie. Go to the same bars every time I want to pickup a new girl. Wear the same clothes every day. Perform one sex position when I have sex. I LOVE eating Reuben burgers. I LOVE listening to J. Balvin’s music. I LOVE the… Read more »

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@ j Don’t misconstrue it. It isn’t that I don’t desire variety; I just have a ton of mental blockages keeping me from it. I believe as men we’re generally all programmed to crave as much variety as possible. When I was in that “monogamous” relationship (in the beginning I literally told her I didn’t want a girlfriend because I wanted to sleep with other women), I was craving sex with other women, and craving it heavily. I just didn’t have what it took to act on those desires. And it’s something I’m still working on and need to get… Read more »

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you really think even a brand name Ivy League college is a bad deal now (outside STEM subjects)? Why? Just because of the financial burden for most families? Or other reasons? Still a route into (or to remain in) the UMC isn’t it, entirely separate from the knowledge gained? My POV: higher-tier Ivy (Harvard, Yale, Princeton), or equivalent (MIT, Stanford, Chicago) may be worth it if any of the following apply: (1) you’re coming from an UMC or UMC+ background, and your family has connections that you can parley the degree with to get a good start after graduation, or… Read more »

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@EH

“@ Palma

“Fuck them, and their attempts to control you with their beta bux.”

meet

“offer to buy him a new skateboard if he passes a small compliance test (which he’s done before) but means he doesn’t get it “free””.”

Well, it will probably work 🤷🏻‍♂️

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So what do you think the best way to do this is? Just be blunt tell her “I do not want to be in a relationship anymore” (drop off car) and ghost or what? And I got to look at some local cars in my area to see what is the best car to get. And I will have to transfer the title back over to her family.

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Youngshagger “So what do you think the best way to do this is? Just be blunt tell her “I do not want to be in a relationship anymore” (drop off car) and ghost or what? And I got to look at some local cars in my area to see what is the best car to get. And I will have to transfer the title back over to her family.” As a personal growth thing you should understand what this car is / represents. It’s their control over you. Just dump her and keep the car. Then they’ll come for it.… Read more »

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