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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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Or, you read a woman that isn’t submissive initially and make her submit.

There’s a sizable number of chicks that are looking for that guy capable of making them ” want to do “. Requires patience as doing it incorrectly might cause you to catch a charge or two.

inb4 pua thang: ” want to do ” in this sense is permanent over the long term according to internalized ability. Lol.

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Ehintellect you are right. The love talk is unnecessary indeed. I was at a social tonight with an attractive “friend” I had in the relationship. First of all, after hearing what her and other seniors in my class have to say about sex, this seems to easy. All they obsess over is wanting dick before college. I can easily give that to plenty of 7s and above that are of age in my class (17). Regardless though I think I did a good job shifting the frame for a first time trying to actually implement this stuff. I bantered, negged… Read more »

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One more side note I found interesting. I stopped masturbating for now about a week ago, and I noticed it actually motivates me more to improve my game and pursue my goals. I don’t know exactly what it is (I assume hIgher T) but it kinds gives me the mindset that it is any woman I want’s job to do this for me…how liberating

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@ Culum and Sentient Thanks for the advice!! Culum I read your post about the 400 open challenge and thought to myself, I am not that bad. Opening is not that big of a deal especially if it is for directions. Yesterday, I went to a relatively busy area of town and said let us see how many opens I can do in 90 minutes. I imagined I could get in at least around 25 at a bare minimum. To my astonishment, I could only manage 12 and it was not due to the lack of girls. Even to ask… Read more »

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To all lurkers and else, hear ye, hear ye, you fucking idiots, as our annointed Youngshagger lays down Solomonic words! “A rule I am making for myself is to only ask out on a “date” in person.” and… “One more side note I found interesting. I stopped masturbating for now about a week ago, and I noticed it actually motivates me more to improve my game and pursue my goals.” From them mouth of a near baby! Praise all that is right and true and victorious! Hazzah! Next up, experience Youngshagger summarily kill the benighted and vainglorious fruitcake j’s notch… Read more »

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Youngshagger, “I don’t know exactly what it is (I assume hIgher T)” I stopped fap in 2010. Yes, you are right. There is a psycho-physico-emotional wiring which commands you to chase girls. It can be short-circuited by porn and fap. Your body reacts in a muted but similar fashion to auto-ejaculation vs. allo-ejaculation. It’s is a collapse of frame to fap, if only a little, yet a collapse, you know? What we do either makes us in the moment better or not, Stasis is a fiction. Best not overthink your correct moves. When you think about your moves you lose… Read more »

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Walawala I’d rather be the guy who bangs her than the guy who chauffeurs her around and bangs her. Sure. But those are not the only choices. But the other part of my discussion is to recognise when you’re being played. This isn’t the firSt time a girl I was banging shows up where I’m at with an orbiter. It is interesting that they have orbiters and you don’t. Why is that? Why aren’t there eight girls hanging around you? The last time was 3 years ago and I mismanaged it creating more drama for myself. This time I stopped,… Read more »

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Youngshagger

PS – careful about knocking up some bint that will be a drain on your plans.

Palma

You are cracking me up… lol

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Prague was fun. Just got back. Was there for a wedding so didn’t really get a chance to try my luck much although there was one stunner at the wedding (and the after party) who I would love to have got. Gave it my best, teasing, being playful, showed confidence etc but she wasn’t into me unfortunately. A weekend ‘in’ for me, I think. Drank about 50 pints over the few days!

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Ehintellect Thankyou. I want to let the game flow natural. The biggest thing for me is to not let societal influence try to pacify my personality. I am naturally extroverted, but sometimes I am just now starting to own my extroverted nature. Before I would try to tame it and tone down my masculinity to not make people weary but know I am just not going to give a fuck. For example if a chick says something dumb or of low value I will just playfully neg her and put her down. That’s how I was raised but feminine conditioning… Read more »

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Sorry these typos are excessive. What I am saying is I just have to own being an extrovert in social situations. Before my AFC fear of rejection held me back and social anxiety, but not anymore.

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@Palma

Bean farmer in space?

Apropos:
Branson is ready to start operations. A couple of test flights and then rich tourists will be launched suborbitally, for about 2 minutes of microgravity.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2019/08/15/space-tourism-bransons-virgin-galactic-unveils-spaceport-america/2017047001/

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I am going out tonight with my RP friend who is also 17 to a 17+ club. Any tips for the club game? I have never done it before.

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@youngshagger

Very basic, but solid beginner’s to club game:

https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/night-game/7872-warped-s-guide-to-club-game-and-fast-pulls

Good luck 😛

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j thanks boss

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@Youngshagger you wrote: “So essentially after I break it off clean I ghost? And they will come back for the car and when they fo I just give it to them on my terms?” A few points for you to consider that I’ve now internalized. When you end something you ghost. Ghosting isn’t something you do to punish…it’s something you do to clear YOUR head. There’s too much emphasis on this idea of ghosting. You can’t ghost someone you haven’t banged. You can’t ghost someone then re-engage. THEY need to re-engage and if they do, don’t immediately go running back.… Read more »

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@ youngshagger “tone down my masculinity to not make people weary” been there…. This is the deal…… You know what “ice cold” is? You’ve been there. Picture this: You are to wrestle an unknown but reputable competitor on a off-season traveling select team tournament. No chumps. All your familiar wrestler competitors are perched around the mat, interestingly watching how you’ll approach this new situ….. Oh no!! What do you do!!! You do what you in all ways and always do….zero different from your any other winning performance…..sense and learn and adapt and methodically strike at a vulnerability. Chill and methodical… Read more »

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…Sorry these typos are excessive. What I am saying is I just have to own being an extrovert in social situations. Before my AFC fear of rejection held me back and social anxiety, but not anymore…. …Before I would try to tame it and tone down my masculinity to not make people weary but know I am just not going to give a fuck…. And you apologize for typos here? Why? Because that’s what 17 year old senior boys have been taught to do? To be apologetic for minor infractions? (Interesting but true: EhIntellect’s modus operandi is to go forth… Read more »

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:: London Summit #3 with @palmasailor: Field Reports – Friday 17th August 2019 :: Out with the excellent @palmasailor in good old London town around Covent Garden and Soho districts on a rainy Friday night, to see how many sets we could open, and, close if possible. My focus, under Palma’s astute tutelage, was to see how far I / we could run with openings, and, for me, not to ‘run away’ with my enthusiasm or to push too hard … We opened about 8 sets in all (with a couple of extra side-gambits), although some details are a little… Read more »

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First time a chick has ever called me ‘daddy’ in bed lol

https://imgur.com/a/QYZfZdv

might be getting too old for this shit tbh….

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Sheets now. 👌

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@Palma Beta Sailor

You and Sentient are rapists, look at that voice, so this is how its going? You know Goldmund, that creepy guy just like you, the Godfather, just creepy Beta like you? Listen to that voice, creepy soy voice, if I were nearby, I would slay your cockass game and prevent Beta males from breeding.

Your wife left you for a valid reason, she wasn’t evil. Motherfuckers

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@TantumErgo Great field report. Not much time, but couple quick thoughts. Don’t send a text AND call. Too needy. You may not get a reply now – that’s life. Some numbers are flaky and the solution is to not rely on them at all (go for the SNL or instadate) or if you do get a number, then solidify as much as possible so she remembers you (tactics on this in YaReally, there’s a Todd video about it and I think Mystery covered it too – I’m not sure if it is in the book, but it was certainly mentioned… Read more »

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@ Culum Struan @palmsailor Culum: I agree with everything you say. https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-130/#comment-280018 “Don’t send a text AND call. Too needy. You may not get a reply now – that’s life. Some numbers are flaky and the solution is to not rely on them at all (go for the SNL or instadate) or if you do get a number, then solidify as much as possible so she remembers you (tactics on this in YaReally, there’s a Todd video about it and I think Mystery covered it too – I’m not sure if it is in the book, but it was certainly… Read more »

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Tantum/Palma Looks like a fun night. Be advised that most of the time when you are comimg across this kind of stuff “She tells us that her name is ‘Lisa’. Palma negs by saying that he can’t talk to her because his ex was also called ‘Lisa’. She apologises! ” And “NO looks of incredulity or disbelief … They both buy this!” It’s because you are already really high value to the girl. They are already bought in. See it as a big IOI. What you then need to do is give her just a little A3 to build her… Read more »

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@Sentient @palmasailor Sentient: “Looks like a fun night. Be advised that most of the time when you are comimg across this kind of stuff” << “She tells us that her name is ‘Lisa’. Palma negs by saying that he can’t talk to her because his ex was also called ‘Lisa’. She apologises! ”>> “And “<> … << They both buy this! >> “It’s because you are already really high value to the girl. They are already bought in. See it as a big IOI. What you then need to do is give her just a little A3 to build her… Read more »

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Tantum ” she will disqualify yourself” Should read “disqualify herself” A little DHV can go a long way. I wrote a few pages back about the neighborhood woman who contrived a way to get my number. I sent her one text, albeit in Catonese it was knowing (which she responded to before my hands got off send). Anyhow she was trying to figire out where she might run into me. I threw a few places out but no dates or times. Days later she says she is going over to X place. I say I’m not around and she says… Read more »

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Palma

Yeah she’s a few blocks away. Local.

I don’t think money is what she wants…

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@Sentient “” she will disqualify yourself” Should read “disqualify herself”” I got your meaning. “A little DHV can go a long way.” And I now have a few DHV maneouvres and sexualised stories under my belt – ready to be tested infield. “I wrote a few pages back about the neighborhood woman who contrived a way to get my number. I sent her one text, albeit in Catonese it was knowing (which she responded to before my hands got off send). Anyhow she was trying to figire out where she might run into me. I threw a few places out… Read more »

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@palmasailor @Sentient Palma: “Dont neg below 7s…” “I’ve never taken any notice of HB level when “playing” with them.. the problem is I’d have had her at a 7+ a bit.” Do you mean Swiss Girl? If so, then I had her at only a 5.5! While the Brazilians were IMHO a solid 6 / 6.5 … That’s why I just put them at would or would not bang. Despite the above she was actually a would not bang because she wasn’t enough fun..” Would or would-not bang is a good way to classify (Blackdragon?). And Swiss Girl – like… Read more »

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SJF “And you apologize for typos here? Why? Because that’s what 17 year old senior boys have been taught to do? To be apologetic for minor infractions? (Interesting but true: EhIntellect’s modus operandi is to go forth and make lots of mistakes at first. It teaches you what not to do the next time…. And he’s accomplished a lot of moving forward by taking that tack.)” You are right apologies are not necessary. And EhIntellect’s MO is relatable. Yesterday at the 17+ club (really more like 17-20) I had a lot of fun. I danced around a bit with my… Read more »

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And obviously when I am 5’7” and most the other guys are at least 5’11” and up it makes me look like a worse option comparatively (especially when I was not showing off my arms or anything)

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@Sentient Yes, lengthening responses and “fading” is the best. Good thing you haven’t actually done anything with her that isn’t plausibly deniable. Don’t engage with a specific excuse – for one thing it needs to be vaguely plausible (at least barely), but also because giving an excuse is an acknowledgement that there’s something between the two of you that you need to give her an excuse to get out of – completely unnecessary if you haven’t actually done anything with her. Your play is to maintain the plausible deniability and fade. You can certainly tell her you’re busy with work… Read more »

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Tantum Now you’re a smart fella. Tell me what happened here. With this WB girl? “Out of nowhere from the second group of three guys, ‘AMOG’-style guy, bearded and wearing a black T-shirt steps forward, wraps his arm around SG’s waist and announces: ‘She’s with me!’ – and pulls her away from us. Palma retorts: ‘So, marry her then, and invite us to the wedding!’ ‘AMOG’ immediately folds and disappears – along with his two mates – leaving Palma and me with SG’ ALL the guys have now vanished at this point. SG then folds her arms while talking; closed… Read more »

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Palma Culum Tantum

Thanks boys.

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Palma

Sure if you’re turned off bounce out. That’s for sure.

But Tantum said “nothing to work with” though which may not have been true. Cause by the numbers means go to some comfort and bounce next steps.

Many of these situations you don’t really know until you press it.

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@ Sentient @Palma “Tantum Now you’re a smart fella. Tell me what happened here. With this WB girl?” << “Out of nowhere from the second group of three guys, ‘AMOG’-style guy, bearded and wearing a black T-shirt steps forward, wraps his arm around SG’s waist and announces: ‘She’s with me!’ – and pulls her away from us. Palma retorts: ‘So, marry her then, and invite us to the wedding!’ ‘AMOG’ immediately folds and disappears – along with his two mates – leaving Palma and me with SG’ ALL the guys have now vanished at this point. SG then folds her… Read more »

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Palma

“If I’d read this differently I might have taken another try at getting her on cam”

Now we are talking… Because that attitude leads to getting past this

“The stuff I really want is early 20’s and I’m some way from getting that cracked.”

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@palmsailor @Sentient “Terrier” Palma: You have that look about you, reminiscent of one of my old Martial Arts instructors, who was about your height and build. 😊 “Despite that… no homo, but Tantum is prob 6” ish, slim, very well dressed, zero approach anxiety, and they were a group of millennial pussies.” Agreed on all counts. “In terms of presence, I don’t know really, he’s got a similar vibe to my best friend who is 54 and a 4-5th dan. I know he does something but I don’t know exactly what as we’ve never gone into detail. Nothing was gonna… Read more »

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You guys… Love ya but you are still missing the whole AMOG dynamic. It is – still, since I just posted a bit on this to Tantum – NOT about the guys or who is tougher or who sizes up who or who can kick who’s ass. That’s how dogs see things. Not cats. Cats are looking to get feedback on the dynamic. So in this case a “millennial pussy” comes in strong (as an aside do you know any millennial pussys who walk into a mixed set and grab girls bodily in feont of dudes? I don’t.. Lol) she… Read more »

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“So millennial pussy lost by focusing on you guys, and not her reaction. If he held frame and whispered in her ear an agreed and amplified your challenge (What say love, shall we get married and have 500 babies?”) And she laughs and smiles at him… And if he’s smart her turns her to face him and give you her back…

You guys are pretty much gone at that point. ”

yep. spot on, Sentient.

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@Sentient: Serious question…I didn’t react but why did it bother me? You recognize you are stuck. That there is something more out there. Another gear to grab. But you don’t know what it is yet. Good insight….I don’t think I’m “Stuck”…I THINK I’m stuck and that conflict is at the heart of this…I THINK I’m limited or that I lost something. Cool As for the “Why didn’t you have 8 girls on your arm…” On Saturday night I did…and interestingly enough she made a few efforts to get my attention even blatantly parading herself in front of me. But I… Read more »

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@Sentient

re your sl*tty neighbor …

assuming you really never ever wanna follow up… use a reverse boyfriend destroyer… but subtle… basically AMOGing yourself with the husband…lol

text her to ask her if her husband could help you with something stupidly beta-esque…lol… (probably already have some topics from the last neighborhood get together…lol) then just let that hang for a while… = no texting… while her hindbrain works it’s magic…

good luck!

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@sentient habd

New Field Tested text game flor slutty Neighbour…

Send text just hey or hi then immediately delete before she gets a chance to see it.

It shows up as “message deleted” in her feed…hamster spins

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Youngshagger “(Interesting but true: EhIntellect’s modus operandi is to go forth and make lots of mistakes at first. It teaches you what not to do the next time…. And he’s accomplished a lot of moving forward by taking that tack.)” The theory behind not worrying about mistake prior to getting something done; Kinser’s Law “About the time you finish doing something, you know enough to start.” James C. Kinser was an engineer, efficiency expert, and jack of all trades. Raised in the Southern Appalachian storytelling tradition, he knew that the best way to teach something was to tell a tale.… Read more »

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Wala As for the “Why didn’t you have 8 girls on your arm…” On Saturday night I did…and interestingly enough she made a few efforts to get my attention even blatantly parading herself in front of me. But I was too busy enjoying myself with my little posse and secondly I didn’t want to….as you put it…fall into HER frame of being nice for the sake of it. Your mental model needs a few tweeks Wala. She made effort = she is in your frame. Now how to handle it? from YOUR frame… i.e. how does your interaction with her… Read more »

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@Sentient It took a lot of thinking to understand why it bothered me so much that she didn’t come back with me after spending the afternoon together. Normally I don’t care. I’ve internalized it all and most of the time I just blow it off. But this really pissed me off and it shouldn’t have. I watched Rollo’s recent podcast and one of the dudes pointed out that inherent narcissism guys have in terms of “I did xyz…” and there was this expectation of the girl giving back. It doesn’t happen all the time and the mindset of caring vs… Read more »

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@walawala re @Sentient’s sl*tty neighbor… my understanding is that he wants to get her to stop chasing him without her outright grabbing his c*ck (open hypergamy, yo!!!…lol) causing some tension at the next neighborhood watch meeting…lol a ping text like you suggest will only make THAT^^^ harder… bc it WILL spin her hamster…lol as far as your ‘issue’ with ‘catching some feelz’… +1 on @Sentient’s advice… it’s just some residual FI still getting a finger on your shoulder… it looks like you are working through it… buuut… Normally I don’t care. I’ve internalized it all and most of the time… Read more »

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So EhIntellect and others, I have two prospective plates that are seniors. (HB 7 and HB 7-8) I have done a little bit of flirting with both of them, and I think I am at the point where I got to pull the trigger when I see them in person and ask them out on a date (preferably for this weekend) next in school. I feel like if I wait any longer (especially with the HB 7 who was an acquaintance/“friend” while I was in my last relationship who I did have good chemistry with however) it will be fruitless… Read more »

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@YoungShagger Asking out on dates is a thing, huh? You know you can just tell them you’re doing something(*) and that they can join you, right? Even if it’s only you and (one of) them… and it actually looks like a date to you (but it isn’t/that’s dog logic that prevents threesomes from happening… lol). The difference may be subtle but it sets a different frame. Differentiates it from boyfriend-girlfriend activities. Makes it uncertain as to what you think of them = hamster spinning. Gives you more room for playing it however you want (ons, fwb, girlfriend). You get them… Read more »

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IRL so essentially I never say the word date, and I just tell them I was doing something (even if it is by myself) and ask them to join to help keep frame?

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Just “Hey let’s hang out” and mention whatever activity.

“Let’s hang out. I’m going to XYZ. Like 730.”

If you drive tell her you’ll pick her up. Otherwise meet her there.

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Thanks Sentient. That helps me put things into perspective.

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@Palmasaailor

re that ‘doctor of orgasmology’ routine…

lol… that was good…

i would change one thing though… instead of ‘hindbrain’ use ‘subconscious’… girls don’t really know ‘hindbrain’… and if they do, using the term is getting too close to talking about fight club…

good luck!

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YoungShagger Think of how you used to feel when you were a neophyte wrestler going against a stronger opponent. Now, think of how you think and feel tactically and logistically now as a varsity wrestler. See the difference? In the former, you were in your opponents Frame. In the latter you have your own mental point of origin and the opponent is hopefully in your Frame and at your mercy and whims. Think about when you’ve been in a match and you have confidence and your wits about you and you are not fatigued going into the third round of… Read more »

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@KFG: I’d like to know your opinion on something. Some commentators here (including some whose opinions I really respect) are proponents of having a genetic legacy. I’d like to know your particular opinion! Here is mine (I used to be religious but I’m now an atheist). Any type of legacy, including offspring to propagate “your” genetic code, is meaningless. You’ll be dead anyway and your “lineage” will not last forever, I don’t see why it matters if it lasts 1 more generation, 1000 more generations or 100000 more etc. I’m asking you this, because I think you know enough science… Read more »

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YoungShagger, In spite of what some guys say here, girls are not hypergamous sluts machinating their way to power and your wallet. Women do: 1) respond to their environment and 2) yet prefer to be valued for themselves. It’s not a balance. The latter competes with the former. When the environment finds them useful and they respond by using their bodies utilitarian-wise, women become cynical and vindictive. When you, YoungShagger, speak to their better nature, they can relax knowing that all the sex and provisioning you provide is pleasurably useful though what really motivates them to be with you is… Read more »

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“My wife is trim, long hair and wore a pink dress and many women found it a pain in the ass.”

And pink high heels and rode in on the back of a baby blue tandem bicycle….and looking sweet and feminine. In EhIntellect’s Frame, happy and in Love.

Go figure. It triggered the washout alums.

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IAS There is no such thing as ” genetic legacy “. That’s boiling life down to a scientific bottom line, and that shit’s better left to scientists. Later generations will determine what your ” legacy ” is, and most likely you’ll be worn food long before that happens. All men aren’t ghengis khan, no matter how much they’d like to think of themselves as spreading their seed and leaving a piece of themselves around in the future. When you die, your pieces go with you for the most part. Unless you can figure out how to clone yourself, your ”… Read more »

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@HABD Insightful as always.

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Legacy = Spirit

How likely are people to remember you after death and for how long and why and what will they say about you? That is your legacy.

Your legacy is what you choose it to be.

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Youngshagger “do any of you guys have any approach advice/advice on what to expect trying to spin plates with 17-18 yr old girls” Drama. Lots of drama. Part of the territory. There is a reason “acting like a teenage girl” is a saying, I.e. “Look ADJ’s twitter meltdown, he’s acting like a teenage girl”. So he prepared to NOT get caught up in it. “how physical should I expect them to get (hopefully very if I can display I am an alpha).” Well if you can get them isolated expect most of them to get real wild real fast. Real… Read more »

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Palma

“PS It’s easy to tell if a woman likes you

Same Girl How?!

PS It’s what she does with her ankles, you just got to look at that.

Same Girl ugh??

Ps well if she puts them behind her ears she likes you.”

Lolz. Stolen.

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@Palmasailor @HABD I’m trying to understand the interaction here. This is an infield on the Doctor of Orgasmology from this morning. I’ve know this woman vaguely and I can light her up like a Xmas tree at the flick if a switch so it was just testing and not really game. https://drive.google.com/file/d/119Gx8dWfGjGaBtoWM8BpUqQFFBksE911/view Because I’m an idiot I’ve deleted the second half of the audio but it was a different script.. It was the : PS It’s easy to tell if a woman likes you Same Girl How?! PS It’s what she does with her ankles, you just got to look… Read more »

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What I need to do is do it again where the second script has a lower innuendo than the first and see how that works.

yes, you should try it and see… but this should probably not work better bc you are not escalating… at least on the innuendo…

good luck!

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@Palma No matter how technical and tactical and scientific it can get, ULTIMATELY “game” is about forming a UNIQUE connection between the TWO of you. It’s not just about YOUR value, how cool YOU are, but ALSO about what kinda person she is, what she’s thinking, what she’s feeling. You MUST take these things into account, or else even the coolest DHV routine will fall FLAT. This is what the PUAs called “calibration.” More here: http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/In_the_Middle/DV/281.html From the same link: The MOST IMPORTANT aspect of the above two interactions is NOT the cocky/funny itself. It’s how I’m SUCKING HER INTO… Read more »

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@Youngshagger “do any of you guys have any approach advice/advice on what to expect trying to spin plates with 17-18 yr old girls” To add to what Sentient says, I’m 50’s and only meet and bang girls in their 20’s. The oldest is 30. But I would disagree with Sentient in that you get “drama”. No. I get constant drama with any girl OVER 30. With younger girls you get constant shit-testing. It’s like they all have ADD and you have to keep cool and truly be the MAN because there are no “MEN” their age. Of course not ALL… Read more »

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IRL so essentially I never say the word date, and I just tell them I was doing something (even if it is by myself) and ask them to join to help keep frame?

What Sentient said.

Just don’t get into a trap of constantly thinking about losing/keeping frame.

This specific aspect (talking about dating) had more to do with communicating in Cat-o-nese, girls language (not overt).

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You know Youngshagger is 17 and in high school right?

HS is social circle game on steroids…

If he is going to “spin” plates there is going to be drama for sure. It’s baked in and frosted with estrogen.

All stuff that can be worked through but better to understand it up front.

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Ah school… The ultimate plausibly deniable isolation arena… “Studying”.

Got get those grades up!

[Missed many many lays by actually studying… 😣]

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Ah school… The ultimate plausibly deniable isolation arena… “Studying”.

Haha so true.

Dog logic: I said “to study” so now have to study… or “she only meant studying”… lol

Cat-o-nese 101 should be a required subject.

I told @Palma he could produce cool routines/games/challenges for fathers with sons. To make fun of girls together and understand the language of seduction early on.

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SJF that model really helps. I was all confused on courtship

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You know Youngshagger is 17 and in high school right? HS is social circle game on steroids… If he is going to “spin” plates there is going to be drama for sure. It’s baked in and frosted with estrogen. All stuff that can be worked through but better to understand it up front. @YoungShagger Keep in mind to pace yourself in chasing girls. Getting back to senior year of high school puts a lot on your plate. Do you have a college scholarship in hand for wrestling? Are you all set with that? Does it matter how you perform this… Read more »

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I have a couple other questions. Obviously I build attraction first that helps (now I won’t shoot myself anymore or come off as needy). For my specific access to women 17+ my main source of potential would be my school correct? However, the thing about school is that I am always focused on studying and classes (as I am ranked 2 in my class of over 700 and am neck and neck vying for valedictorian) so my actual time to do approaches is really small while at school (however school is my biggest source of new chicks) That being said,… Read more »

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SJF You are honestly right. Now that I am newly single I find myself way too horny and wanting to hit up too many girls, most of which I have been off putting by coming on too strong. This year is a big year for me to win my 2nd state title (I already have my scholarship and school chosen) and to become valedictorian ( I am a very close second) . I just realize now that my game is pretty atrocious objectively (I have the right mindset, but in practice it needs a lot of work. Plus I have… Read more »

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However, the thing about school is that I am always focused on studying and classes (as I am ranked 2 in my class of over 700 and am neck and neck vying for valedictorian) so my actual time to do approaches is really small while at school (however school is my biggest source of new chicks) That being said, I wanted to do this plate spinning and game with minimal social media hit ups and instant messaging ie keep it mainly in person, but what I am finding is I don’t have the time to see these chicks often in… Read more »

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Yes, I need to slow it down a lot. My training schedule is not too busy yet because I am healing an injury with pt and working upper body, but that is still 6 days a week. School is just a bear with 5 college classes and 1 hs honors class. Honestly I think I should just study this stuff a little when I have time, but not even focus on girls for a bit.

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“You know Youngshagger is 17 and in high school right?”

But I’m already getting the feeling that this one is going to make it.

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“Plus I have never known young adult single life.” Which gave you focus. “Honestly I think I should just cool off on going out of my way to talk to any girl in my time outside of school for now. And it is weird honestly I have been no fap for maybe two weeks now and I find my urges way too strong for courtship.” You don’t have to be afraid of your super powers. Be discreet. Fuck a girl on the side. You are beholden to social circles. To gossip. To things that can tip the balance in the… Read more »

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Well he’s already up $500… 😆

Though this talk of “courtship” is a yellow flag.

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I more mean I should not be seeking the pussy

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Courtship was in reference to that seduction stages someone linked. And the reason I was more speculative about my instincts in game compared to wrestling is because my”instincts” never got me anywhere but a subpar, unsatisfactory white knight with benefits relationship essentially lmao

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Think the best advice, is for @YoungShagger to go on a date with that HB7 who he already has good chemistry with. And make her his girlfriend. That way, he’ll have access to regular sex. And will somewhat reduce that ‘need’ to want to fuck everything in site from being single. Shagger, also has self proclaimed “atrocious” game. So I don’t recommend going out of his way to practice spitting game at the chicks at his school (especially when one uncalibrated mistake on the wrong girl can get you kicked out of campus/lose your scholarship). That’s what bars/clubs are for… Read more »

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Unfortunately that HB 7 who I thought I had good chemistry with I was to overt about my intentions and she sensed it and tweaked to my other friend to try to keep me in the friend zone because she is not attracted to me like that ig? And I am probably being too critical of my own game just bottom line it is a work in progress.

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Bottom line is, I got to adjust to being single, not seek out girls, and establish myself as an attractive fun guy at my school then girls will come. Bottom line is, there will never be a shortage of girls.

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Relax.

Get through your compulsories (academics and the wrestling season).

The pussy will come seeking you.

Don’t let the seeking throw you off your course, your purpose and mission. But don’t deny it when it swerves into your lane. You got plenty of time to figure logistics out.

Well begun is half done

Much depends on the beginning of an endeavor. Then follow through.

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Don’t listen to J. YoungShagger.

His plan is clinically retarded for you. Clubs? @17? WTF? He’s domain dependent.

Make her a girlfriend? Why not just buy a sink and tie it around your neck like a millstone. Gtfoh.

Catch as catch can.
(noun 1. wrestling in which all holds are permitted.
adjective 1. using whatever methods or materials are available.)

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“Clubs? @17? WTF?”

YoungShagger: “I am going out tonight with my RP friend who is also 17 to a 17+ club. Any tips for the club game?”

“Why not just buy a sink and tie it around your neck like a millstone.”

the fuck are you talking about…

anyway, y’all can continue feeding him beta provider advice (not that there’s anything wrong with that), I’ll stick to the alpha fucks part.

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“plus we only just sacked the last one!”

Ah you mean the one he was with before reading TheRationalMale i.e. BluePilled?

That one failed, so he mustn’t try to have another go at it. Spin plates, shagger!

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“the fuck are you talking about…” You and your retarded advice. You have no reference experience in where Y.S. is poised on a launching pad for the rest of his life. He’s got potential. Where are you going with your life J. N=200?, and beyond? Then what? What is your profession J.? This guy is 17, vying for Valedictorian, and has a scholarship to college. You can Blue Pill shame all you want. Y.S just dumped his girlfriend. He’s not going to Blue Pill any time soon. And he’s getting understanding of where to go. And where he is going… Read more »

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“That wouldn’t be you getting pissed that he’s got a fucking good commercial future he’s working towards and you haven’t because you’re focusing too much in banging women would it?” lol no. I was heading toward that path @17 as a freshman at university with a track scholarship. But that was for my parents. Not me. I’m figuring it out as I go along. But kids and being married, and living on a farm with an old lady are not part of the plan. “Y.S just dumped his girlfriend.” because you told him to. He’s also changed his handle, and… Read more »

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….. It’s always amazing to me when a guy is a virgin until his 20’s and suddenly ” pussy ” in his mind makes him ” alpha fucks “😂

You can’t make this shit up.

Mostly.

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“A phrase to describe a woman’s mating behavior where she freely engages in sexual activities with the physically attractive, charismatic, charming, suave and confident males – in other words, the Alpha males – with no strings attached, shit-tests, favors, catches and any rules, hence Alpha Fucks. At the same time the woman denies sex to the physically unattractive and undesirable men – in other words, the Beta males – instead giving ambiguous promises that sex will be offered in return if the males treat her well, take her out to dates, buy her dinner, bring her gifts, etc, hence Beta… Read more »

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“I was heading toward that path @17 as a freshman at university with a track scholarship. But that was for my parents. Not me. I’m figuring it out as I go along.” So what you are saying is that you washed out? Because your parents failed you. Parenting is purposely obsolescent, when done right. And the child turns out right, healthy and proper. “But kids and being married, and living on a farm with an old lady are not part of the plan.” So what is your plan? At least Y.S. has a springboard to a great plan, to be… Read more »

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https://www.rianstone.com/blog/menarenthappy ….And what these men do seems so simple. Work out, focus on your career, practice your social skills and get confident, develop useful skills and interesting hobbies – essentially, quit wasting time. Read non-fiction instead of fiction, watch less TV, play less video games, quit jerking off to porn, spend that time doing something that makes you physically, mentally, or socially better. The Red Pill tells men that their time is valuable, and to use it well. Hand in hand with that, The Red Pill tells men that since their time is their most valuable resource, quit wasting it… Read more »

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“Because your parents failed you.” True. but gotta keep it moving. “So what is your plan?” Continue to lie, cheat and steal. And I do NOT recommend my plan to anybody here. but that’s not what I’m here for. I’m here for game discussions (and occasional trolling). “At least Y.S. has a springboard to a great plan, to be determined. He’s a genius for getting a college scholarship. Which is a ticket to ride.” good for him. That’s why I said I’ll let you, providers, give him advice in that regard. Any comments wrt girls, I’ll step in if, and… Read more »

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An ode to J.: https://youtu.be/AtzIWPeun7c Yep. Angry Young Man. Styx: You see the world through your cynical eyes You’re a troubled young man I can tell You’ve got it all in the palm of your hand But your hand’s wet with sweat and your head needs a rest And you’re fooling yourself if you don’t believe it You’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe it Why must you be such an angry young man When your future looks quite bright to me How can there be such a sinister plan That could hide such a lamb, such a caring young… Read more »

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“That’s why I said I’ll let you, providers, give him advice in that regard. Any comments wrt girls, I’ll step in if, and only IF, he asks. Because I can offer more than Angels in the Outfield’s “If you build it they will come” ™ generic advice.” Fuck you. Life is Beautiful. And it not Blue Pill Provider Land here. You made that shit up. Plenty of Red Pill latitude in his plans. Your comments wrt to girls for Y.S. @ 17 with regard to his path are shit. And misguided. He has a good head on his shoulders. And… Read more »

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“Your comments wrt to girls for Y.S. @ 17 with regard to his path are shit.” my recommendation to Y.S. was based off his present situation that he’s been so kind as to share on pages 130 and 131 summary: Planned on setting up a date with a girl he had good chemistry with. Expressed interest in having a 5+ girls on rotation. This ‘rotation’ goal of his is in direct conflict with his study habits – want to be valedictorian. Therefore doesn’t have time to go around running game on girls in school So asks about alternatives – social… Read more »

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“I’ll stick to the alpha fucks part.” aka “I’ll blindly regurgitate some pick-up and TRM Rollo post and a gif and say Shit Game! and other inappplicable nonsense.” j is green with envy. he has zero original to add, only more fictions about himself. And thank him, please, for backing out. Doing nothing is the best j can do for YoungShagger. Incel and uninspired is a chosen life you gamma faggot, j. Oh and now j is a track star. Before he posted he was D-1 football scholarship…yet can’t get laid until 25. Youngshagger is the guy j wants to… Read more »

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