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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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@Sentient / All OK Here’s a first pass at Sentients Bean farmer Script – I’ll write the book. You mugs give me 30 more occupations and I’lll script each one, I’ll put ADJ down as a ballerina. that’s next.. Girl: What do you do? Boy: I’m a lifeguard in a car wash and he’s a bean farmer. Girl: Huh? Boy: Sounds mad, I know but he’s a world leading expert and knows everything you need to know about 467,542 AND A HALF different species of bean. Girl: Duh, half a species? Boy: Well yeah, he found half of one down… Read more »

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Here you go Girl: What do you do? Boy: I’m a Bean farmer and he’s a Ballerina. Girl: Ugh? Boy: Yeah I know, odd huh? It’s something he’s always dreamt of being Apparently. It takes a lot of effort, and dedication. He’s always Twittering on about it. He even runs a training schools for wanna be ballerinas, 21 of them I think. Damn they’re expensive, even if you book in advance tickets are £1599, and that’s before you buy the pink tutu red headwear, and special soap. Apparently your balls smell so bad if you’re a ballerina you need special… Read more »

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Girl: What do you do? Boy: I’m a ballerina and he’s a Brain Surgeon Girl: Really? Boy: Yeah, well actually I’m an ex ballerina, I know I don’t look like a ballerina do I? Girl: ERRRRR No…… Boy: How we met was really interesting, I was having these strange Dreams, all the time. It was really odd, I was getting exactly 21 a night, I mean exactly 21. I used to wake every night seeing Red over it. In the end I was just going round in circles with it so I went to see a specialist. He told me… Read more »

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@ Palmasailor I wasn’t trying to interfere with your mentoring youngshagger. I have a 21-year-old son myself who one day wants to have a family. But I think youngshagger raised an interesting question: Where does love fit in? Is there a difference between being in love with a woman and ONEitis? I mean, I get that the whole Blue Pill notion of Love is a complete lie—!00% fantasies and untruths. But Red Pill material is all about mastering Game, creating and maintaining frame, understanding hypergamy, banging hotties, etc., etc. There’s nothing about love. I’ve gone through a ton of Rollo’s… Read more »

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@ Cartoonist – its fine..

You want Cartoon duty for the book?

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Now there’s an idea…

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31 scripts, one a day for a month – each with a full cartoon on the opposite page? Want to take a stab at the bean farmer and a lifeguard in a car wash and give us all a laugh?

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Help the boys visualise he script a bit?

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Re Bean Farmer script: Sheer bloody genius! 😂

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@cartoonist Is there a difference between being in love with a woman and ONEitis? Yes. ONEitis is where you let love convince you that it is okay to put up with her bullshit behavior because she is your soulmate and you don’t know what you’d do without her. ONEitis is what puts a gun in your mouth when you get zeroed out. ONEitis is failing to see that your sense of honor and duty, your love as it were, is being used against you and taken advantage of. I tend to think love is a trick of biology to get… Read more »

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@ Cartoonist “I haven’t been in love for a woman for years.” You fuck it up with your definition of love. Love isn’t something you do with a woman. Love is an understanding of one’s value. You can’t love a woman for years as you don’t know how to disinhibit yourself for fear of failure, for loss of the little remaining personal egotism. What you experience in life and sex and elsewhere is a reflection how willing you are authentically presenting yourself. You present yourself as inhibited and guarded in public. Here, at TRM, it’s better though you operate myopically… Read more »

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@YoungShagger Regarding the love thing. It’s not that tricky or debatable. Scores of stuff has been written about love for ages. When you enter into a romantic relationship with a woman, for the sake of an LTR, there is an infatuation stage with chemicals for a couple years. That can blind you to seeing positives and negatives in the other person for long term. It was popularly called New Relationship Energy. And it is not all negative. I have a buddy that is 56 years old. A cool, successful guy with a well put together frame. Divorced, with a 14… Read more »

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@palmasailor :: Bean Farmer Scripts :: Jobs: (1) Hitman / Assassin (2) Masseur Palma – for you to expand on …. Her: What’s in the bag? Man (1): I can’t tell you. Her: Why not? Man (1): Because, if I do, I’ll have to kill you. Her: That’s a load of crap – show me what’s in the bag! Man (2): That’s a very bad idea … Her: Why? Man (2): Because he WILL actually have to kill you. Her: I don’t believe a word of this! Man (2): NEVER ask him [Man (1)] What’s in the bag – he’s… Read more »

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So far I’ve got

Lifeguard in a car wash
Bean farmer
Ballerina
Brain Surgeon
Probation officer
Astronaut
A 5’4 Indian accountant called dipek that self identifies as a 6’7” One legged Rastafarian called Lumberjack called Leroy
Undertaker
Hitman
Tantric masseur

I need 21 more. Each story leads to the next. And refers to previous ones so you can deep dive with the lunacy.

I want to get this done by Sunday night as I need to work next week so cast your votes:-)

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By the way, the 6’7” one legged Rastafarian lumberjack that dipek self identifies as really wants to be a ballerina.

And he’ll probably manage it if it’s got anything to do with me smile

Just so you know..

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YoungShagger The thing is, you are asking the wrong question. It is true that you said “I love you” too much and probably inappropriately at times, to get in her pants. You were ignorant. What is more important is that you gave away your commitment too freely and for not good reasons. “If you look at it rationally, “love” in postmodern, western society serves hypergamy. I said “I love you (insert cringy pet name here)”so many times in my last LTR and now that it is over it is making me question did I ever love her and is it… Read more »

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Palma

Doctor (of Orgasmology)

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@ youngshagger

You don’t appreciate the disasters you avoid.

Congratulations on you break up. Lol.

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To be honest I think I am at 5 acceptance. It is just coming unplugged makes me need a new definition of love for myself. I know I have the confidence, looks, and I will develop the game more to eventually have what I desire (which is a hot submissive wife willing to have as many kids as I want). I am definitely not MGTOW lmao that is a joke.

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And palmasailor I want a woman and a family but not until I already have my career of being an orthopedic surgeon and when I am well established (30-35) and preferably with a 20-25 yr old submissive dime (sounds like a unicorn ik) but that is my ideal at this point. You can still be unplugged and want a family at some point, you just recognize the tremendous challenges ahead for what they truly are and you adapt to take on those challenges in the SMP

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Cartoonist that is exactly what I was getting at. Thinking about it deeper I think love in a RP sense can mean mastering RP game and philosophy and understanding the dynamics to fully fulfill your needs while maintaining your frame. To me, I could “love” someone who accepts her place as my submissive and serves me while I protect and provide for her while we proliferate with many children. To me that is love because that is the purpose the whole concept of “love” is supposed to fill: create higher chance of procreation and successful passing of genes. So in… Read more »

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Youngshagger

“To me, I could “love” someone who accepts her place as my submissive and serves me while I protect and provide for her while we proliferate with many children”

And this is as it should be.

Remember though, even ” submissive ” is conditional. Unconditional love is reserved for pets, most parents and children.

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Musical interlude –

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBv594kN9kU&w=1280&h=720%5D

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@Palmasailor

Skydiver. Made his own parachute out of recycled materials like spandex leggings, pantyhose, bustiers, etc.

Cat walker. Like a dog-walker, but for cats because he doesn’t like dogs.

Left-thread lugnut tightener who got laid off at the factory when they discontinued left-thread lugnuts. Thinking of a career change.

Maybe more in a while.

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@AR & Sentient It’s going off piste a bit. A lot of people just won’t get it.. Girl: What do you do? Boy: I’m a Probation Officer and he’s an Astronaut. Honestly, don’t look at me like I’m bullshitting, I never joke about either probation OR rocket fuel. Both are explosive subjects. Boy: Have you ever been in a Rocket? Girl: NO! Boy: He’s very famous but can you keep a secret? Girl: Yes Boy: On the quiet he actually owns a large bean farm, he doesn’t want to be an astronaut at all. He’s also world renowned expert on… Read more »

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We need 15 more occupations at least.

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@shagger

“which is a hot submissive wife willing to have as many kids as I want”

I’m sure you’ll manage that. If I’d known at 17 what I know now life would be different.

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Youngshagger, The deal with submission is she responds to your dominant masculinity. Guys like you can just be yourself as long as you are all that. You are all that and girls will fuck you crazy for just being you. Funny: I know a once D-1 wrestler, now surgeon. He did a nude modelling for the college art class. The hypertrophic musculature is desired and wrestlers got it. He had fucked only one of the 8 women in class. By the end of the semester he’d fucked them all. He lost knowing his n-count after 200 and was married by… Read more »

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Or, you read a woman that isn’t submissive initially and make her submit.

There’s a sizable number of chicks that are looking for that guy capable of making them ” want to do “. Requires patience as doing it incorrectly might cause you to catch a charge or two.

inb4 pua thang: ” want to do ” in this sense is permanent over the long term according to internalized ability. Lol.

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@Sentient About 3 hours in London last night with Tantum including approaching about 8-9 sets including one mixed, there were actually 7-8 men and 1-2 women separated into two groups in a work leaving doo with two men talking to one woman in the smaller group. Tantum, said “god look at that girl, she’s so bored” she was about 26-28? I hit the tallest bloke of the two, “excuse me do you work around here, we’re looking for xzy restaurant where we’re meeting a couple of girls, not entirely sure quite where we are.” Debate ensues and he’s very helpful… Read more »

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Ehintellect you are right. The love talk is unnecessary indeed. I was at a social tonight with an attractive “friend” I had in the relationship. First of all, after hearing what her and other seniors in my class have to say about sex, this seems to easy. All they obsess over is wanting dick before college. I can easily give that to plenty of 7s and above that are of age in my class (17). Regardless though I think I did a good job shifting the frame for a first time trying to actually implement this stuff. I bantered, negged… Read more »

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One more side note I found interesting. I stopped masturbating for now about a week ago, and I noticed it actually motivates me more to improve my game and pursue my goals. I don’t know exactly what it is (I assume hIgher T) but it kinds gives me the mindset that it is any woman I want’s job to do this for me…how liberating

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@Softek I’m sitting here writing this thing that @Sentient has talked me into and I’m trying to understand what’s happening, why this stuff falls from my head and why you struggle with interaction. I’m trying to write it so that it’s of some use to young men like you and not just the incoherent ramblings of Palma Dream Sailor, and I’m not entirely sure how to do that. This morning, Sentients Bean Farmer character has evolved and it’s a long story but because of the accident he had in his truck which resulted in his beans sprouting and his subsequent… Read more »

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@ Culum and Sentient Thanks for the advice!! Culum I read your post about the 400 open challenge and thought to myself, I am not that bad. Opening is not that big of a deal especially if it is for directions. Yesterday, I went to a relatively busy area of town and said let us see how many opens I can do in 90 minutes. I imagined I could get in at least around 25 at a bare minimum. To my astonishment, I could only manage 12 and it was not due to the lack of girls. Even to ask… Read more »

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To all lurkers and else, hear ye, hear ye, you fucking idiots, as our annointed Youngshagger lays down Solomonic words! “A rule I am making for myself is to only ask out on a “date” in person.” and… “One more side note I found interesting. I stopped masturbating for now about a week ago, and I noticed it actually motivates me more to improve my game and pursue my goals.” From them mouth of a near baby! Praise all that is right and true and victorious! Hazzah! Next up, experience Youngshagger summarily kill the benighted and vainglorious fruitcake j’s notch… Read more »

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Youngshagger, “I don’t know exactly what it is (I assume hIgher T)” I stopped fap in 2010. Yes, you are right. There is a psycho-physico-emotional wiring which commands you to chase girls. It can be short-circuited by porn and fap. Your body reacts in a muted but similar fashion to auto-ejaculation vs. allo-ejaculation. It’s is a collapse of frame to fap, if only a little, yet a collapse, you know? What we do either makes us in the moment better or not, Stasis is a fiction. Best not overthink your correct moves. When you think about your moves you lose… Read more »

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Ok Softek So you started life as a Welder in a chocolate factory. You know when you get a bar of chocolate right? All those blocks are stuck together? Well that’s the shit chocolate, with the decent stuff they’re not stuck, they’re welded, and you did that for years. Its an important and highly skilled job that not many have the wrist action to do properly. Anyway over the the years you’ve risen through the ranks and now you travel globally and quality control the welding, you’re in and out of Switzerland all the time. In fact, you’re such a… Read more »

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Walawala I’d rather be the guy who bangs her than the guy who chauffeurs her around and bangs her. Sure. But those are not the only choices. But the other part of my discussion is to recognise when you’re being played. This isn’t the firSt time a girl I was banging shows up where I’m at with an orbiter. It is interesting that they have orbiters and you don’t. Why is that? Why aren’t there eight girls hanging around you? The last time was 3 years ago and I mismanaged it creating more drama for myself. This time I stopped,… Read more »

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Youngshagger

PS – careful about knocking up some bint that will be a drain on your plans.

Palma

You are cracking me up… lol

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Prague was fun. Just got back. Was there for a wedding so didn’t really get a chance to try my luck much although there was one stunner at the wedding (and the after party) who I would love to have got. Gave it my best, teasing, being playful, showed confidence etc but she wasn’t into me unfortunately. A weekend ‘in’ for me, I think. Drank about 50 pints over the few days!

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Ehintellect Thankyou. I want to let the game flow natural. The biggest thing for me is to not let societal influence try to pacify my personality. I am naturally extroverted, but sometimes I am just now starting to own my extroverted nature. Before I would try to tame it and tone down my masculinity to not make people weary but know I am just not going to give a fuck. For example if a chick says something dumb or of low value I will just playfully neg her and put her down. That’s how I was raised but feminine conditioning… Read more »

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I’ll put in a full report tomorrow including a full in field of the bean farmer and astronaut script when I can upload a 2 minute audio somewhere

In the meantime I just invented anew line

Girl: kiss my arse
PS: I’m not insured for a moon landing

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Sorry these typos are excessive. What I am saying is I just have to own being an extrovert in social situations. Before my AFC fear of rejection held me back and social anxiety, but not anymore.

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Bean farmer in space?

Apropos:
Branson is ready to start operations. A couple of test flights and then rich tourists will be launched suborbitally, for about 2 minutes of microgravity.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2019/08/15/space-tourism-bransons-virgin-galactic-unveils-spaceport-america/2017047001/

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Real time recording of Sentients Bean Farmer / Astronaut game.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/118H5tJ8QHhuEf_kBCumECNRCQA38Kjuc/view

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The bean farmer is going to space next and when it crash lands it’ll be in area 52 guarded by 21 ballerinas. You know what’s coming right 😂

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I am going out tonight with my RP friend who is also 17 to a 17+ club. Any tips for the club game? I have never done it before.

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Very basic, but solid beginner’s to club game:

https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/night-game/7872-warped-s-guide-to-club-game-and-fast-pulls

Good luck 😛

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j thanks boss

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@Youngshagger you wrote: “So essentially after I break it off clean I ghost? And they will come back for the car and when they fo I just give it to them on my terms?” A few points for you to consider that I’ve now internalized. When you end something you ghost. Ghosting isn’t something you do to punish…it’s something you do to clear YOUR head. There’s too much emphasis on this idea of ghosting. You can’t ghost someone you haven’t banged. You can’t ghost someone then re-engage. THEY need to re-engage and if they do, don’t immediately go running back.… Read more »

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Softek – you’ve welders remit has been broadened promoted – new job spec So I started life as a Welder in a chocolate factory. You know some bars of chocolate have all those blocks are stuck together? Well that’s the shit chocolate, and not all chocolate is like that (you know that right?) with the decent stuff they’re not stuck, they’re welded, and I was the one that did that for years. I was so good at it they gave me my own pedestal in the factory. They even employed Bruno to clean the pedestal with his special soap and… Read more »

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@ youngshagger “tone down my masculinity to not make people weary” been there…. This is the deal…… You know what “ice cold” is? You’ve been there. Picture this: You are to wrestle an unknown but reputable competitor on a off-season traveling select team tournament. No chumps. All your familiar wrestler competitors are perched around the mat, interestingly watching how you’ll approach this new situ….. Oh no!! What do you do!!! You do what you in all ways and always do….zero different from your any other winning performance…..sense and learn and adapt and methodically strike at a vulnerability. Chill and methodical… Read more »

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…Sorry these typos are excessive. What I am saying is I just have to own being an extrovert in social situations. Before my AFC fear of rejection held me back and social anxiety, but not anymore…. …Before I would try to tame it and tone down my masculinity to not make people weary but know I am just not going to give a fuck…. And you apologize for typos here? Why? Because that’s what 17 year old senior boys have been taught to do? To be apologetic for minor infractions? (Interesting but true: EhIntellect’s modus operandi is to go forth… Read more »

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:: London Summit #3 with @palmasailor: Field Reports – Friday 17th August 2019 :: Out with the excellent @palmasailor in good old London town around Covent Garden and Soho districts on a rainy Friday night, to see how many sets we could open, and, close if possible. My focus, under Palma’s astute tutelage, was to see how far I / we could run with openings, and, for me, not to ‘run away’ with my enthusiasm or to push too hard … We opened about 8 sets in all (with a couple of extra side-gambits), although some details are a little… Read more »

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First time a chick has ever called me ‘daddy’ in bed lol

https://imgur.com/a/QYZfZdv

might be getting too old for this shit tbh….

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Sheets now. 👌

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@Palma Beta Sailor

You and Sentient are rapists, look at that voice, so this is how its going? You know Goldmund, that creepy guy just like you, the Godfather, just creepy Beta like you? Listen to that voice, creepy soy voice, if I were nearby, I would slay your cockass game and prevent Beta males from breeding.

Your wife left you for a valid reason, she wasn’t evil. Motherfuckers

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@TantumErgo Great field report. Not much time, but couple quick thoughts. Don’t send a text AND call. Too needy. You may not get a reply now – that’s life. Some numbers are flaky and the solution is to not rely on them at all (go for the SNL or instadate) or if you do get a number, then solidify as much as possible so she remembers you (tactics on this in YaReally, there’s a Todd video about it and I think Mystery covered it too – I’m not sure if it is in the book, but it was certainly mentioned… Read more »

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@Culum

We only had 3 hours after we’d caught up, got a beer and chewed the shit .. hence the offer of the drinks for the first two to try to get it moving a bit.

I’ve concluded that you don’t have to use all the lines, but there is enough there to get them “on cam” which means if they are really laughing you can just keep pushing the buttons.

Inevitably a lot won’t get it, but you often find in a group, one does get it and thats all you need.

Attempting to get published midnight UK time so I’ll catchya later..

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@ Culum Struan @palmsailor Culum: I agree with everything you say. https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-130/#comment-280018 “Don’t send a text AND call. Too needy. You may not get a reply now – that’s life. Some numbers are flaky and the solution is to not rely on them at all (go for the SNL or instadate) or if you do get a number, then solidify as much as possible so she remembers you (tactics on this in YaReally, there’s a Todd video about it and I think Mystery covered it too – I’m not sure if it is in the book, but it was certainly… Read more »

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Tantum/Palma Looks like a fun night. Be advised that most of the time when you are comimg across this kind of stuff “She tells us that her name is ‘Lisa’. Palma negs by saying that he can’t talk to her because his ex was also called ‘Lisa’. She apologises! ” And “NO looks of incredulity or disbelief … They both buy this!” It’s because you are already really high value to the girl. They are already bought in. See it as a big IOI. What you then need to do is give her just a little A3 to build her… Read more »

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@Sentient @palmasailor Sentient: “Looks like a fun night. Be advised that most of the time when you are comimg across this kind of stuff” << “She tells us that her name is ‘Lisa’. Palma negs by saying that he can’t talk to her because his ex was also called ‘Lisa’. She apologises! ”>> “And “<> … << They both buy this! >> “It’s because you are already really high value to the girl. They are already bought in. See it as a big IOI. What you then need to do is give her just a little A3 to build her… Read more »

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@Sentient/Tantum

“Dont neg below 7s…”

I’ve never taken any notice of HB level when “playing” with them.. the problem is I’d have had her at a 7+ a bit.

That’s why I just put them at would or would not bang. Despite the above she was actually a would not bang because she wasn’t enough fun..

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Tantum ” she will disqualify yourself” Should read “disqualify herself” A little DHV can go a long way. I wrote a few pages back about the neighborhood woman who contrived a way to get my number. I sent her one text, albeit in Catonese it was knowing (which she responded to before my hands got off send). Anyhow she was trying to figire out where she might run into me. I threw a few places out but no dates or times. Days later she says she is going over to X place. I say I’m not around and she says… Read more »

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@Sentient

“What are good ways of deescalating besides marriage?”

Fuck.. the problem is if you’re already that much DHV then you got a lot of short term game slack leeway,

Usually you could kill it by being super keen or a bad joke but she’d let you off all that at this stage.

Does she know where you live / your circumstances?

Could you tell her you’ve got money problems?

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** therefore having to do 18 hour days at the office?

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** yield curve has inverted . You weren’t expecting that and you’re highly geared . Really you might even have to spend 3/12 travelling round all your clients to keep them calm.. it’s a shitstorm.. sorry.. call you after Xmas..

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She won’t nuke your ranch (her ranch);while she thinks she’s in with a shot. Don’t leave her with nothing to lose / a hard comedown from the dream to her shit reality. Come up with plausible deniability- apologise – blah blah blah

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Palma

Yeah she’s a few blocks away. Local.

I don’t think money is what she wants…

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@Sentient “” she will disqualify yourself” Should read “disqualify herself”” I got your meaning. “A little DHV can go a long way.” And I now have a few DHV maneouvres and sexualised stories under my belt – ready to be tested infield. “I wrote a few pages back about the neighborhood woman who contrived a way to get my number. I sent her one text, albeit in Catonese it was knowing (which she responded to before my hands got off send). Anyhow she was trying to figire out where she might run into me. I threw a few places out… Read more »

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@palmasailor @Sentient Palma: “Dont neg below 7s…” “I’ve never taken any notice of HB level when “playing” with them.. the problem is I’d have had her at a 7+ a bit.” Do you mean Swiss Girl? If so, then I had her at only a 5.5! While the Brazilians were IMHO a solid 6 / 6.5 … That’s why I just put them at would or would not bang. Despite the above she was actually a would not bang because she wasn’t enough fun..” Would or would-not bang is a good way to classify (Blackdragon?). And Swiss Girl – like… Read more »

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SJF “And you apologize for typos here? Why? Because that’s what 17 year old senior boys have been taught to do? To be apologetic for minor infractions? (Interesting but true: EhIntellect’s modus operandi is to go forth and make lots of mistakes at first. It teaches you what not to do the next time…. And he’s accomplished a lot of moving forward by taking that tack.)” You are right apologies are not necessary. And EhIntellect’s MO is relatable. Yesterday at the 17+ club (really more like 17-20) I had a lot of fun. I danced around a bit with my… Read more »

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Works gone aga8nst you, this last happened in 07/08..

You’re flat out . So sorry .. I’ll text in a couple of weeks..

Do it, and kick the can down the road again a bit further next time. Things are getting worse. Rinse extend and repeat. Be more and more apologetic (Beta) each time. SO so so sorry etc…

Other option, there was a herb in the Meetup walking group that used to send a 4 page love what’s app poem to them before the first date.. he never got a first date.. but high risk for you..

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And obviously when I am 5’7” and most the other guys are at least 5’11” and up it makes me look like a worse option comparatively (especially when I was not showing off my arms or anything)

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@Sentient Yes, lengthening responses and “fading” is the best. Good thing you haven’t actually done anything with her that isn’t plausibly deniable. Don’t engage with a specific excuse – for one thing it needs to be vaguely plausible (at least barely), but also because giving an excuse is an acknowledgement that there’s something between the two of you that you need to give her an excuse to get out of – completely unnecessary if you haven’t actually done anything with her. Your play is to maintain the plausible deniability and fade. You can certainly tell her you’re busy with work… Read more »

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@YoungShagger I’m knackered and it’s later here, and there are better guys to pick up the game questions that are nearer your age.. j? But on the apology thing. In life – don’t. There’s lots of reasons for that but essentially you verify your error and that is used to vilify you. Look what happens to public figures who apologise versus ones that refuse to. They get absolutely slaughtered. They’re perceived as weak, and so they are punished. If you absolutely must, “Mistakes have been made” is the absolute limit, I won’t even go there. I’d rather walk even if… Read more »

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Tantum Now you’re a smart fella. Tell me what happened here. With this WB girl? “Out of nowhere from the second group of three guys, ‘AMOG’-style guy, bearded and wearing a black T-shirt steps forward, wraps his arm around SG’s waist and announces: ‘She’s with me!’ – and pulls her away from us. Palma retorts: ‘So, marry her then, and invite us to the wedding!’ ‘AMOG’ immediately folds and disappears – along with his two mates – leaving Palma and me with SG’ ALL the guys have now vanished at this point. SG then folds her arms while talking; closed… Read more »

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Palma Culum Tantum

Thanks boys.

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Shagger “Another challenge I noticed is that I am 5’7” so a lot of girls were my height or a bit taller.” Own this and then forget about it. Last time I was measured I was 5’8”, and I’ve probably shrunk since then. I usually go for shorter girls than me anyway, but I’ve done more than my fair share of 6 footers. I just tell them we’ll have to walk the long way to the pub that avoids the low bridges. I was queuing for a restaurant once with a 6 footer, the waitress said she’d put us on… Read more »

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@Tantum / Sentient

This is the problem with doing it like this as opposed to actually being there.

I only hit it to do it by the numbers, she was actually boring me shitless. There was nothing behind her eyes I was interested in working with.. and THATS the problem…l

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Sure if you’re turned off bounce out. That’s for sure.

But Tantum said “nothing to work with” though which may not have been true. Cause by the numbers means go to some comfort and bounce next steps.

Many of these situations you don’t really know until you press it.

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Ok @ sentient / Tantum

Well run it by the book again next time, split another set, kick out the herbs which folded like cheap lawn furniture anyway same MO and we’ll bounce her just for fun.

We had women waiting for us so will have to think through why there not there.. perhaps yield curve inverted and they’re suddenly on the phone to the US 25/7 to had to rain check last minute

I’ve never really tried splitting them out, but it’d be interesting to prove a point.

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@ Sentient @Palma “Tantum Now you’re a smart fella. Tell me what happened here. With this WB girl?” << “Out of nowhere from the second group of three guys, ‘AMOG’-style guy, bearded and wearing a black T-shirt steps forward, wraps his arm around SG’s waist and announces: ‘She’s with me!’ – and pulls her away from us. Palma retorts: ‘So, marry her then, and invite us to the wedding!’ ‘AMOG’ immediately folds and disappears – along with his two mates – leaving Palma and me with SG’ ALL the guys have now vanished at this point. SG then folds her… Read more »

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@Sentient Part of this is me. If I’m not having any fun then I don’t do it. Not even if it’s legs are open in front of me. Probably could change that particular part of the wiring but not sure I want to. That woman I took home a few weeks back, I knew I shouldn’t have bothered, but I just plucked it to keep my hand in really. She was pretty good looking too but dull as fuck. You boys with pristine TR2’s have got a different approach to this than we have. I don’t know what the group… Read more »

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Terrier 🙄🖕🖕 Despite that… no homo, but Tantum is prob 6” ish, slim, very well dressed, zero approach anxiety, and they were a group of millennial pussies. In terms of presence, I don’t know really, he’s got a similar vibe to my best friend who is 54 and a 4-5th dan. I know he does something but I don’t know exactly what as we’ve never gone into detail. Nothing was gonna happen in that pub which worried either of us. We’d both probably pick up a wrong situation and exit these days on the first radar ping walking in. There… Read more »

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“Closed off body language is also vulnerability“

Damn, my sales head had this down as defence / go round an open to get real objection / long boring haul ahead.

I DIDN’T have this down as vulnerable.

If I’d read this differently I might have taken another try at getting her on cam

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“If I’d read this differently I might have taken another try at getting her on cam”

Now we are talking… Because that attitude leads to getting past this

“The stuff I really want is early 20’s and I’m some way from getting that cracked.”

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@palmsailor @Sentient “Terrier” Palma: You have that look about you, reminiscent of one of my old Martial Arts instructors, who was about your height and build. 😊 “Despite that… no homo, but Tantum is prob 6” ish, slim, very well dressed, zero approach anxiety, and they were a group of millennial pussies.” Agreed on all counts. “In terms of presence, I don’t know really, he’s got a similar vibe to my best friend who is 54 and a 4-5th dan. I know he does something but I don’t know exactly what as we’ve never gone into detail. Nothing was gonna… Read more »

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You guys… Love ya but you are still missing the whole AMOG dynamic. It is – still, since I just posted a bit on this to Tantum – NOT about the guys or who is tougher or who sizes up who or who can kick who’s ass. That’s how dogs see things. Not cats. Cats are looking to get feedback on the dynamic. So in this case a “millennial pussy” comes in strong (as an aside do you know any millennial pussys who walk into a mixed set and grab girls bodily in feont of dudes? I don’t.. Lol) she… Read more »

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“So millennial pussy lost by focusing on you guys, and not her reaction. If he held frame and whispered in her ear an agreed and amplified your challenge (What say love, shall we get married and have 500 babies?”) And she laughs and smiles at him… And if he’s smart her turns her to face him and give you her back…

You guys are pretty much gone at that point. ”

yep. spot on, Sentient.

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@Sentient: Serious question…I didn’t react but why did it bother me? You recognize you are stuck. That there is something more out there. Another gear to grab. But you don’t know what it is yet. Good insight….I don’t think I’m “Stuck”…I THINK I’m stuck and that conflict is at the heart of this…I THINK I’m limited or that I lost something. Cool As for the “Why didn’t you have 8 girls on your arm…” On Saturday night I did…and interestingly enough she made a few efforts to get my attention even blatantly parading herself in front of me. But I… Read more »

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@Sentient / Tantum I’m struggling with the technical structure of laying out these routines. Actually it depends on what’s happening in the field and it’s about calibration as to how fast you sexualise / whether you can land it on her. For instance Parakeet Air, well the REASON it’s called Parakeet Air is because the type of aircraft they use have TWO enormous refuelling nuts on the under carriage. That might get her in fits, once she’s in fits you should hit her again and push her laughing gene harder with another subroutine like this: Yer there was this type… Read more »

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re your sl*tty neighbor …

assuming you really never ever wanna follow up… use a reverse boyfriend destroyer… but subtle… basically AMOGing yourself with the husband…lol

text her to ask her if her husband could help you with something stupidly beta-esque…lol… (probably already have some topics from the last neighborhood get together…lol) then just let that hang for a while… = no texting… while her hindbrain works it’s magic…

good luck!

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@sentient habd

New Field Tested text game flor slutty Neighbour…

Send text just hey or hi then immediately delete before she gets a chance to see it.

It shows up as “message deleted” in her feed…hamster spins

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Sentient Tantum It goes in so many directions that you can’t deliver in in a linear fashion for instance: It’s a VIP airline that also carries limited amounts of cargo which can create challenges. Only just last week, we carried what we thought was asparagus, but it turns out it wasn’t asparagus, it was sticks of dynamite that had painted themselves green and cut their fuses off because they self identify as asparagus and transitioning. We didn’t know until one exploded the moment our most loyal customer put it in her mouth. You wouldn’t want anything exploding in your mouth… Read more »

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Youngshagger “(Interesting but true: EhIntellect’s modus operandi is to go forth and make lots of mistakes at first. It teaches you what not to do the next time…. And he’s accomplished a lot of moving forward by taking that tack.)” The theory behind not worrying about mistake prior to getting something done; Kinser’s Law “About the time you finish doing something, you know enough to start.” James C. Kinser was an engineer, efficiency expert, and jack of all trades. Raised in the Southern Appalachian storytelling tradition, he knew that the best way to teach something was to tell a tale.… Read more »

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Wala As for the “Why didn’t you have 8 girls on your arm…” On Saturday night I did…and interestingly enough she made a few efforts to get my attention even blatantly parading herself in front of me. But I was too busy enjoying myself with my little posse and secondly I didn’t want to….as you put it…fall into HER frame of being nice for the sake of it. Your mental model needs a few tweeks Wala. She made effort = she is in your frame. Now how to handle it? from YOUR frame… i.e. how does your interaction with her… Read more »

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@Sentient It took a lot of thinking to understand why it bothered me so much that she didn’t come back with me after spending the afternoon together. Normally I don’t care. I’ve internalized it all and most of the time I just blow it off. But this really pissed me off and it shouldn’t have. I watched Rollo’s recent podcast and one of the dudes pointed out that inherent narcissism guys have in terms of “I did xyz…” and there was this expectation of the girl giving back. It doesn’t happen all the time and the mindset of caring vs… Read more »

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@walawala re @Sentient’s sl*tty neighbor… my understanding is that he wants to get her to stop chasing him without her outright grabbing his c*ck (open hypergamy, yo!!!…lol) causing some tension at the next neighborhood watch meeting…lol a ping text like you suggest will only make THAT^^^ harder… bc it WILL spin her hamster…lol as far as your ‘issue’ with ‘catching some feelz’… +1 on @Sentient’s advice… it’s just some residual FI still getting a finger on your shoulder… it looks like you are working through it… buuut… Normally I don’t care. I’ve internalized it all and most of the time… Read more »

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So EhIntellect and others, I have two prospective plates that are seniors. (HB 7 and HB 7-8) I have done a little bit of flirting with both of them, and I think I am at the point where I got to pull the trigger when I see them in person and ask them out on a date (preferably for this weekend) next in school. I feel like if I wait any longer (especially with the HB 7 who was an acquaintance/“friend” while I was in my last relationship who I did have good chemistry with however) it will be fruitless… Read more »

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