Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

15,461 comments on “Field Reports

  1. IAS

    There is no such thing as ” genetic legacy “.

    That’s boiling life down to a scientific bottom line, and that shit’s better left to scientists.

    Later generations will determine what your ” legacy ” is, and most likely you’ll be worn food long before that happens. All men aren’t ghengis khan, no matter how much they’d like to think of themselves as spreading their seed and leaving a piece of themselves around in the future. When you die, your pieces go with you for the most part. Unless you can figure out how to clone yourself, your ” legacy ” is already diluted.

  2. Legacy = Spirit

    How likely are people to remember you after death and for how long and why and what will they say about you? That is your legacy.

    Your legacy is what you choose it to be.

  3. Youngshagger

    “do any of you guys have any approach advice/advice on what to expect trying to spin plates with 17-18 yr old girls”

    Drama. Lots of drama. Part of the territory. There is a reason “acting like a teenage girl” is a saying, I.e. “Look ADJ’s twitter meltdown, he’s acting like a teenage girl”.

    So he prepared to NOT get caught up in it.

    “how physical should I expect them to get (hopefully very if I can display I am an alpha).”

    Well if you can get them isolated expect most of them to get real wild real fast. Real fast… I still remember my first BJ I received, GF was 15 or so. Damn. I can’t remember exactly how it went down, such rapidity. We were in the backseat of a small two door four seater. Had just started a little making out. Next thing I know she is wedged down in the football, has frred my cock and and is sucking (a bit toothily… 😆) and swallowing for all she’s worth. I still cannot imagine how quickly she did this and wedged herself down in that tight space. I never moved an inch. One sec we were kissing the next my cock was in her mouth. 👄

    Teenage girls are super emotional and super horny and unfiltered once no people are around.

    Lot like adult girls in that respect.

    (Sperg Disclaimer: Not saying one should wait for her to make a move…)

  4. Palma

    “PS It’s easy to tell if a woman likes you

    Same Girl How?!

    PS It’s what she does with her ankles, you just got to look at that.

    Same Girl ugh??

    Ps well if she puts them behind her ears she likes you.”

    Lolz. Stolen.

  5. @Palmasailor

    @HABD

    I’m trying to understand the interaction here. This is an infield on the Doctor of Orgasmology from this morning. I’ve know this woman vaguely and I can light her up like a Xmas tree at the flick if a switch so it was just testing and not really game.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/119Gx8dWfGjGaBtoWM8BpUqQFFBksE911/view

    Because I’m an idiot I’ve deleted the second half of the audio but it was a different script..

    It was the :

    PS It’s easy to tell if a woman likes you

    Same Girl How?!

    PS It’s what she does with her ankles, you just got to look at that.

    Same Girl ugh??

    Ps well if she puts them behind her ears she likes you.

    Same Girl in hysterics (way above any original hysterics at the first script)

    Anyway what I’m getting at is that the punchline of the original script didn’t escalate her to her original high, but a different script escalated her beyond that original high by a large margin.

    and you are confused by this?…lol… don’t over-think it… more fun is… more fun!…lol

    i guess you could see it as more ‘investment’… which it is… buuut, calibration…lol…

    Now I don’t know if it was the change in the script or an innuendo escalation that did that but it’s an important distinction.

    only in the sense of deconstructing your calibration… some things hit and some don’t… that’s generally where the ‘art’ in ‘pick up artist’ comes from…

    What I need to do is do it again where the second script has a lower innuendo than the first and see how that works.

    yes, this should work better bc you are escalating…

    So my feeling is that a seduction may be more akin to a grasshopper jumping around on a large Children’s trampoline, you don’t know where it will land next and that’s fun..

    true… bc calibration (and mostly when the girl is invested)… but the overall form follows MM stages… regardless of any new ‘terms’ pua dudes put on it…lol…

    than the traditional PUA material which is linear (and probably shit)

    linear routines are necessary when the girls don’t bite right away… they give structure to men trying to plow…

    May key into her hindbrain recognising a demonstration of adaptability – fitness to adapt survives? Alpha?

    that might be true…

    Second point, I’m having sleepless nights about the challenge of building something durable enough that the likes of softek won’t go blank in the face of fear.

    good plan… that’s the only reason i commented on ‘hindbrain’ v ‘subconscious’… ‘subconscious’ might be an easier sell for a nooby pua… it’s less like talking about fight club…

    but at base, those men are going to have to step up… at least a certain amount… and work through that fear…

    i did… and it’s terrifying…lol… but i was highly motivated…lol… and in spite of the overwhelming feeling of impending death, it really does get easier… just gotta put in the effort…

    There’s the old interview technique of imagining mr big sat on the toilet wiping his arse which should handle some of that.

    However I think the way to do it is to build the characters so they are like the simpsons. Possibly even give them a bio so that each part of that bio sticks to a different part of the brain? @SJF/KFG Is that even a thing / can it be done?

    i don’t know… but that’s generally a sound strategy for actors creating characters…

    For instance for wing Commander Dread who is my favourite character. (Dunno who he’s based on 😉)

    I’ve thought of the following background today in his own words:

    I’ve always considered the HEMI V8 as a mans power plant of choice

    Ma uncle bought me one in pieces when I was in a stroller and I put it back together piece by piece myself.. that stroller just flew after I had it tuned right.

    At tickover it matched my own heart rate perfectly beat for beat.

    I even cut my first tooth on the piston rings of cylinder 3

    I always loved it, and it powered everything I ever had. I even swapped it into my first Harley, those engineers at Harley try, but they don’t understand what it means to a man to have THAT much power between his legs.

    Anyway, one day the FBI came knocking and wanted to take it away for testing. National security apparently, and being a patriot I obliged.

    They never did bring it back, but paid me handsomely, and they never told me what happened to it.

    I know where it is though, one day Marine 1 flew over and there was no mistaking that noise. I’ll be proud of that til ma dying day.

    ?? Dunno !!

    that was really good…lol

    good luck!

  6. @Palmasailor

    What I need to do is do it again where the second script has a lower innuendo than the first and see how that works.

    yes, you should try it and see… but this should probably not work better bc you are not escalating… at least on the innuendo…

    good luck!

  7. @Palma

    No matter how technical and tactical and scientific it can get, ULTIMATELY “game” is about forming a UNIQUE connection between the TWO of you. It’s not just about YOUR value, how cool YOU are, but ALSO about what kinda person she is, what she’s thinking, what she’s feeling. You MUST take these things into account, or else even the coolest DHV routine will fall FLAT. This is what the PUAs called “calibration.”

    More here:
    http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/In_the_Middle/DV/281.html

    From the same link:

    The MOST IMPORTANT aspect of the above two interactions is NOT the cocky/funny itself. It’s how I’m SUCKING HER INTO MY REALITY. By this, I am establishing a very unique and PERSONAL interaction (through ideas of bf-gf relationship, marriage, breaking up, etc.). EVEN THOUGH this is all obviously PRETENDING and JOKING, she will be PERSONALLY and EMOTIONALLY VESTED in the interaction, because you are not DETACHED, you are IN THERE and ENGAGING her.

    Basically, always keep in mind that you have to ENGAGE her. People will tell you that you should be doing most of the talking. This is true in many cases, but the important part is NOT that you are TALKING, but that she is LISTENING and WANTS TO HEAR/SEE/BE WITH YOU MORE. That is what it means to engage.

    Stop trying to think up cool routines or lines or whatever. Those are plentiful. Instead, try to reshape your whole outlook, so that every interaction with a woman is the two of you, fighting against social barriers and norms to try to get to KNOW EACH OTHER. It should very quickly color your whole game and take it to another level.

    A good example of this is SHIT-TESTS. You should be actively SEEKING shit-tests. Many guys on this board and others will BITCH and COMPLAIN about shit-tests. But personally, I LOVE THEM. I ADORE shit-tests. Why?

    Because a shit-test means you have ENGAGED her emotionally, she is now FEELING something, and thus is reacting.

  8. @Youngshagger

    “do any of you guys have any approach advice/advice on what to expect trying to spin plates with 17-18 yr old girls”

    To add to what Sentient says, I’m 50’s and only meet and bang girls in their 20’s. The oldest is 30.

    But I would disagree with Sentient in that you get “drama”. No. I get constant drama with any girl OVER 30. With younger girls you get constant shit-testing. It’s like they all have ADD and you have to keep cool and truly be the MAN because there are no “MEN” their age.

    Of course not ALL girls in their 20’s or in the age range of 17-19 want older guys…but the guys who do are more mature and rebellious.

    You need GAMER…I constantly hear from them is that the whole notion of a stigma of younger girls and older dudes is a crock made up by angry feminists. The reality is “boys” their own age aren’t masculine. They’re the ones full of drama because they don’t have any masculine role models. So that’s a plus.

    The challenge is the CONSTANT shit testing. The biggest loop I was thrown for was the HB8 who I banged and then suddenly went off with a dude with a car… Then started following me around when I ignored her.

    When you don’t have game these things seem completely random. When you do have experience with women and game these things sometimes throw me for a loop but each one is a learning.

    I’m now “dating” (her words) a 24 year old I haven’t banged. She’s told me her first impression of me was a cocky guy who had tons of girls chasing him—but that didn’t stop her from going out with me.

    You can’t get angry in front of them. That’s what “boys” do. You can’t get needy with them….that’s what “girls” do. The whole thing about spinning plates is to avoid getting sucked into the drama that HB8 was trying to suck me into. I was pissed but never showed it to her.

    If you get disrespected or thrown for a loop—stop, drop roll-away.

    The other upside is they get it’s about banging—what else would it be about? But read through the archives here to understand how women just want a guy who gets it. Don’t be so available but when you are be ready to battle every shit test and lead…

  9. @YoungShagger
    IRL so essentially I never say the word date, and I just tell them I was doing something (even if it is by myself) and ask them to join to help keep frame?

    What Sentient said.

    Just don’t get into a trap of constantly thinking about losing/keeping frame.

    This specific aspect (talking about dating) had more to do with communicating in Cat-o-nese, girls language (not overt).

  10. Wala

    You know Youngshagger is 17 and in high school right?

    HS is social circle game on steroids…

    If he is going to “spin” plates there is going to be drama for sure. It’s baked in and frosted with estrogen.

    All stuff that can be worked through but better to understand it up front.

  11. IRL

    Ah school… The ultimate plausibly deniable isolation arena… “Studying”.

    Got get those grades up!

    [Missed many many lays by actually studying… 😣]

  12. @Sentient
    Ah school… The ultimate plausibly deniable isolation arena… “Studying”.

    Haha so true.

    Dog logic: I said “to study” so now have to study… or “she only meant studying”… lol

    Cat-o-nese 101 should be a required subject.

    I told @Palma he could produce cool routines/games/challenges for fathers with sons. To make fun of girls together and understand the language of seduction early on.

  13. You know Youngshagger is 17 and in high school right?

    HS is social circle game on steroids…

    If he is going to “spin” plates there is going to be drama for sure. It’s baked in and frosted with estrogen.

    All stuff that can be worked through but better to understand it up front.

    @YoungShagger

    Keep in mind to pace yourself in chasing girls. Getting back to senior year of high school puts a lot on your plate.

    Do you have a college scholarship in hand for wrestling? Are you all set with that? Does it matter how you perform this year during the wrestling season and getting to states and taking victories there?

    What is your conditioning schedule like leading up to the fall wrestling season?

    Your newly found community, the manosphere, guys swapping notes, talking to each other and you can be intoxicating. Notch count talk and all.

    Don’t lose focus on the end game, the long term game. You have this upcoming wrestling season on which you will focus on, right. And then from after the season and spring and summer next year, you will have a relatively blow-off time to consolidate your newfound passion for getting a leg up on “dating” girls. (dating is not really a thing. For the last 20 years, hooking up is…)

    Keep an even keel and pace yourself. Says the sober uncle….

    Keep your priorities clear and focused. Be ruthless in the pursuit of your career. Girls will always be there. Especially in college. Especially after this season’s wrestling.

    That’s not to say don’t pursue at all times, it is to say you know how sports, competition and competing works. Pace yourself as needed. And for gods sake don’t let noise and confusion in social circles cloud your vision.

    Good Luck. And Skill.

    I wrestled in high school. I was mediocre. But it was fucking awesome. Then I went on to a stellar academic career, of which I loved every moment of it. I never lost focus until 15 years into marriage. And then the last 10 years I pulled my head out of the sand, started collaborating with other men, then excelled in that. Then started red pill awareness and MRP game the last five years. And that worked out great. Now, life is beautiful. It always was. Now I can take advantage of it.

    Oh, and don’t not focus on studying and getting good grades, now and in college… That is very important for the long term. It’s not to be an egghead. Not grades for grades sake. But to be a potent man, with a good head on your shoulders. To not have to apologize for your limitations in the future…

  14. I have a couple other questions. Obviously I build attraction first that helps (now I won’t shoot myself anymore or come off as needy). For my specific access to women 17+ my main source of potential would be my school correct? However, the thing about school is that I am always focused on studying and classes (as I am ranked 2 in my class of over 700 and am neck and neck vying for valedictorian) so my actual time to do approaches is really small while at school (however school is my biggest source of new chicks) That being said, I wanted to do this plate spinning and game with minimal social media hit ups and instant messaging ie keep it mainly in person, but what I am finding is I don’t have the time to see these chicks often in the school day to really court them, so does that make me defacto forced to use the rabbit hole that is social media for my game?

  15. SJF

    You are honestly right. Now that I am newly single I find myself way too horny and wanting to hit up too many girls, most of which I have been off putting by coming on too strong. This year is a big year for me to win my 2nd state title (I already have my scholarship and school chosen) and to become valedictorian ( I am a very close second) . I just realize now that my game is pretty atrocious objectively (I have the right mindset, but in practice it needs a lot of work. Plus I have never known young adult single life)

    Honestly I think I should just cool off on going out of my way to talk to any girl in my time outside of school for now. And it is weird honestly I have been no fap for maybe two weeks now and I find my urges way too strong for courtship

  16. However, the thing about school is that I am always focused on studying and classes (as I am ranked 2 in my class of over 700 and am neck and neck vying for valedictorian) so my actual time to do approaches is really small while at school (however school is my biggest source of new chicks) That being said, I wanted to do this plate spinning and game with minimal social media hit ups and instant messaging ie keep it mainly in person, but what I am finding is I don’t have the time to see these chicks often in the school day to really court them, so does that make me defacto forced to use the rabbit hole that is social media for my game?

    Ok. Sweet. That is awesome.

    You do the best you can. With your wrestling mindset. And your academic mindset. Don’t model others right now. Trust your gut. Use your instincts. Do the best you can. You have time to settle.

    Now is not the time to be complacent.

    Go back to what EhIntellect said. Let the chicks come to you. Don’t compromise yourself for them.

  17. SJF

    Yes, I need to slow it down a lot. My training schedule is not too busy yet because I am healing an injury with pt and working upper body, but that is still 6 days a week. School is just a bear with 5 college classes and 1 hs honors class. Honestly I think I should just study this stuff a little when I have time, but not even focus on girls for a bit.

  18. “You know Youngshagger is 17 and in high school right?”

    But I’m already getting the feeling that this one is going to make it.

  19. “Plus I have never known young adult single life.”

    Which gave you focus.

    “Honestly I think I should just cool off on going out of my way to talk to any girl in my time outside of school for now. And it is weird honestly I have been no fap for maybe two weeks now and I find my urges way too strong for courtship.”

    You don’t have to be afraid of your super powers.
    Be discreet. Fuck a girl on the side. You are beholden to social circles. To gossip. To things that can tip the balance in the school. Valedictorian judgment and all. Keep it on the down low.

    Don’t second guess your instincts. You don’t do that on the wrestling mat. Or in academics. Why should you do that with chicks? Let a chick come to you. Don’t let her dictate the terms of engagement. Be nice to girls. It’s not a battle. They will want you. They will seek you. Relax. Don’t let the crazy chicks get you. Let them prove to you that they are worthy of you.

    Put out your A game. Don’t let C+ girls in your realm.

  20. Sentient

    Courtship was in reference to that seduction stages someone linked. And the reason I was more speculative about my instincts in game compared to wrestling is because my”instincts” never got me anywhere but a subpar, unsatisfactory white knight with benefits relationship essentially lmao

  21. Think the best advice, is for @YoungShagger to go on a date with that HB7 who he already has good chemistry with. And make her his girlfriend. That way, he’ll have access to regular sex. And will somewhat reduce that ‘need’ to want to fuck everything in site from being single.

    Shagger, also has self proclaimed “atrocious” game. So I don’t recommend going out of his way to practice spitting game at the chicks at his school (especially when one uncalibrated mistake on the wrong girl can get you kicked out of campus/lose your scholarship).

    That’s what bars/clubs are for (and there’s plenty of time for that, bro).

    if he want more chicks, just bang the girls in her social circle tbh.

    Read up on the secret society: https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/off-topic/6553-a-post-that-i-will-never-forget-secret-society

    1. @j

      Thanks for your the link to Secret Society in your reply to @YoungShagger.

      This is an intriguing eye-opener for me and gives me some perspective on my past dealings with women and their conduct. 😊

      It took a bit of searching, but I just wanted to check back that this link to Tyler Durden’s analysis of SS is correct:

      https://bristollair.com/secret-society/

      TantumErgo

  22. j
    Unfortunately that HB 7 who I thought I had good chemistry with I was to overt about my intentions and she sensed it and tweaked to my other friend to try to keep me in the friend zone because she is not attracted to me like that ig? And I am probably being too critical of my own game just bottom line it is a work in progress.

  23. Bottom line is, I got to adjust to being single, not seek out girls, and establish myself as an attractive fun guy at my school then girls will come. Bottom line is, there will never be a shortage of girls.

  24. YoungShagger

    Relax.

    Get through your compulsories (academics and the wrestling season).

    The pussy will come seeking you.

    Don’t let the seeking throw you off your course, your purpose and mission. But don’t deny it when it swerves into your lane. You got plenty of time to figure logistics out.

    Well begun is half done

    Much depends on the beginning of an endeavor. Then follow through.

  25. Don’t listen to J. YoungShagger.

    His plan is clinically retarded for you. Clubs? @17? WTF? He’s domain dependent.

    Make her a girlfriend? Why not just buy a sink and tie it around your neck like a millstone. Gtfoh.

    Catch as catch can.
    (noun 1. wrestling in which all holds are permitted.
    adjective 1. using whatever methods or materials are available.)

  26. “Clubs? @17? WTF?”

    YoungShagger: “I am going out tonight with my RP friend who is also 17 to a 17+ club. Any tips for the club game?”

    “Why not just buy a sink and tie it around your neck like a millstone.”

    the fuck are you talking about…

    anyway, y’all can continue feeding him beta provider advice (not that there’s anything wrong with that), I’ll stick to the alpha fucks part.

  27. “plus we only just sacked the last one!”

    Ah you mean the one he was with before reading TheRationalMale i.e. BluePilled?

    That one failed, so he mustn’t try to have another go at it. Spin plates, shagger!

  28. “the fuck are you talking about…”

    You and your retarded advice.

    You have no reference experience in where Y.S. is poised on a launching pad for the rest of his life. He’s got potential.

    Where are you going with your life J. N=200?, and beyond? Then what? What is your profession J.?

    This guy is 17, vying for Valedictorian, and has a scholarship to college. You can Blue Pill shame all you want. Y.S just dumped his girlfriend. He’s not going to Blue Pill any time soon. And he’s getting understanding of where to go. And where he is going to go is not investing in bar sluts for the near future. His job is to keep frame. Get laid on his terms. Not to be beholden to the whims of 17 year old girls. To have Frame. Confident Frame. Like a boss. To have boundaries.

    He’s got all the time in the world. He has in-between-time. He can use it wisely. Esp. after wrestling season. Wrestling and academics is all immersive. It is real and it is spectacular. If he plays his card well, he will have his world and his reality by the tail. And get plenty of tail in college. Without Sperging in minor details. He has a big picture in mind and shouldn’t be deterred from that mission.

    That’s the thing. Every man is different and faces a different reality. Don’t legislate him bowing to external metrics (including HB 6 bar slut metrics, J.). He has his own measuring stick outside him self and within himself, and he up to this point (except for his relationship with his ex.) has used that to gauge himself by. He’s new and he’s learning from other men here. Don’t muddle his focus with noise.

    You can solipsize all you want. But you are not in his league. What are you shooting for in your life, J.?

  29. “That wouldn’t be you getting pissed that he’s got a fucking good commercial future he’s working towards and you haven’t because you’re focusing too much in banging women would it?”

    lol no. I was heading toward that path @17 as a freshman at university with a track scholarship. But that was for my parents. Not me. I’m figuring it out as I go along. But kids and being married, and living on a farm with an old lady are not part of the plan.

    “Y.S just dumped his girlfriend.”

    because you told him to. He’s also changed his handle, and capitalized the Y.S. for y’all as soon as you told him to…

    “vying for Valedictorian”

  30. ….. It’s always amazing to me when a guy is a virgin until his 20’s and suddenly ” pussy ” in his mind makes him ” alpha fucks “😂

    You can’t make this shit up.

    Mostly.

  31. “A phrase to describe a woman’s mating behavior where she freely engages in sexual activities with the physically attractive, charismatic, charming, suave and confident males – in other words, the Alpha males – with no strings attached, shit-tests, favors, catches and any rules, hence Alpha Fucks.

    At the same time the woman denies sex to the physically unattractive and undesirable men – in other words, the Beta males – instead giving ambiguous promises that sex will be offered in return if the males treat her well, take her out to dates, buy her dinner, bring her gifts, etc, hence Beta Bucks.

    For the Betas, sex is held behind many barriers such as the “three dates” rule, all-expenses paid dinners, shopping trips, favors, funny jokes, rapport building, lengthy text convos, shit tests and more… all the while as the Alphas get to have sex right away without having to do all that in advance. Hence, the term Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks.”

    ya dats me.

  32. “I was heading toward that path @17 as a freshman at university with a track scholarship. But that was for my parents. Not me. I’m figuring it out as I go along.”

    So what you are saying is that you washed out? Because your parents failed you. Parenting is purposely obsolescent, when done right. And the child turns out right, healthy and proper.

    “But kids and being married, and living on a farm with an old lady are not part of the plan.”

    So what is your plan?

    At least Y.S. has a springboard to a great plan, to be determined. He’s a genius for getting a college scholarship. Which is a ticket to ride.

    You are just spinning, J. just above the quicksand. Keep going.

    What is your profession and long term plans, J.? Nothing wrong with what you are doing. Until it is. Good luck with that. We’ve seen it before.

  33. https://www.rianstone.com/blog/menarenthappy

    ….And what these men do seems so simple. Work out, focus on your career, practice your social skills and get confident, develop useful skills and interesting hobbies – essentially, quit wasting time. Read non-fiction instead of fiction, watch less TV, play less video games, quit jerking off to porn, spend that time doing something that makes you physically, mentally, or socially better. The Red Pill tells men that their time is valuable, and to use it well. Hand in hand with that, The Red Pill tells men that since their time is their most valuable resource, quit wasting it on women when you’re not getting something of equal value in return. If your girlfriend is ugly, sexually ungenerous, lazy, or just an entitled bitch that expects you to do all kinds of crap for her just to maintain the pleasure of having a girlfriend, is it really worth all of the time and energy you expend? When you could be doing something that actually improves your life?

    The Red Pill exists because many men aren’t happy. Because these relationships that are allegedly “just fine” are very much NOT just fine. Because men are giving so much to their women and getting so little, with the assumption that merely existing – merely being a presence in the man’s life – is all a woman needs to do to become his highest priority. That men should be falling over themselves getting in line for the right to say “I have a girlfriend,” and nothing more. Men are sick of this.

    Guys in the “my man went Red Pill and ruined our relationship” Reddit posts probably aren’t actually going to internet sites to get an instruction manual for how to piss off their girlfriends. They’re just normal guys who know in the pit of their stomach that something is wrong – that they’re wasting their lives, and that they’re not happy. It’s not their girlfriends’ fault, it’s theirs. And they decide one day, for whatever reason, to try to take control of their lives, of their relationships, and build something they’re actually proud of. And steps 1 and 2 of that process involve asserting yourself and living the way you want, and expecting the people with whom you associate (e.g., your woman) to add value to your life equal to the value you’re expending. The rest of the world shorthands that behavior as “being an asshole,” and “ruining relationships.” How sad is that? Honestly and confidently pursuing the life you want, and expecting others to hold up their end of a relationship is the new Hitler.

  34. “Because your parents failed you.”

    True. but gotta keep it moving.

    “So what is your plan?”

    Continue to lie, cheat and steal. And I do NOT recommend my plan to anybody here. but that’s not what I’m here for. I’m here for game discussions (and occasional trolling).

    “At least Y.S. has a springboard to a great plan, to be determined. He’s a genius for getting a college scholarship. Which is a ticket to ride.”

    good for him. That’s why I said I’ll let you, providers, give him advice in that regard. Any comments wrt girls, I’ll step in if, and only IF, he asks. Because I can offer more than Angels in the Outfield’s “If you build it they will come” ™ generic advice.

    I’m also not telling him to drop out of high school (or take a gap year post high school) fuck his dreams and go chase hoes.

    “We’ve seen it before.”

    nah.

  35. An ode to J.:

    https://youtu.be/AtzIWPeun7c

    Yep. Angry Young Man.

    Styx:

    You see the world through your cynical eyes
    You’re a troubled young man I can tell
    You’ve got it all in the palm of your hand
    But your hand’s wet with sweat and your head needs a rest

    And you’re fooling yourself if you don’t believe it
    You’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe it
    Why must you be such an angry young man
    When your future looks quite bright to me
    How can there be such a sinister plan
    That could hide such a lamb, such a caring young man

    You’re fooling yourself if you don’t believe it
    You’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe it
    Get up, get back on your feet
    You’re the one they can’t beat and you know it
    Come on, let’s see what you’ve got
    Just take your best shot and don’t blow it

    You’re fooling yourself if you don’t believe it
    You’re killing yourself if you don’t believe it
    Get up, get back on your feet
    You’re the one they can’t beat and you know it
    Come on, let’s see what you’ve got
    Just take your best shot and don’t blow it

  36. “That’s why I said I’ll let you, providers, give him advice in that regard. Any comments wrt girls, I’ll step in if, and only IF, he asks. Because I can offer more than Angels in the Outfield’s “If you build it they will come” ™ generic advice.”

    Fuck you. Life is Beautiful. And it not Blue Pill Provider Land here. You made that shit up. Plenty of Red Pill latitude in his plans.

    Your comments wrt to girls for Y.S. @ 17 with regard to his path are shit. And misguided. He has a good head on his shoulders. And he needs to be guided by older mentors that are on his side. To get him to where he wants to be. He’s not an un-sentient being. He has a head on his shoulders.

    What that means is that his younger self, that got externally influenced from 13 to 17 was to suppress his inner soul/self. To shape him into a provider. Which was evidenced in what his former girlfriend and her family saw in his potential. But it squeezed the soul out of him. He had a subliminal instinct to come here. And learn what he was missing in his story, his future…

    It’s not about providership. But then again, there is nothing wrong about providership. Something you are incapable of. Because of general fuckery.

    Which is Dynamic, Authentic and Passionate. State champion wrestler, intellectual Valedictorian. Not fake fuckery like: “lie, cheat and steal…”

    Nice try J…. Next, You…

  37. “Your comments wrt to girls for Y.S. @ 17 with regard to his path are shit.”

    my recommendation to Y.S. was based off his present situation that he’s been so kind as to share on pages 130 and 131

    summary:

    Planned on setting up a date with a girl he had good chemistry with.
    Expressed interest in having a 5+ girls on rotation.
    This ‘rotation’ goal of his is in direct conflict with his study habits – want to be valedictorian.
    Therefore doesn’t have time to go around running game on girls in school
    So asks about alternatives – social media game.
    Has a scholarship for wrestling.
    Single – very horny.
    His game is atrocious. and needs a lot of practice.

    I then gathered this information, and spit out the following:

    Go on a date with the girl he had chemistry with (who has since, friendzoned him) and make her his girlfriend. Now that he’s redpilled(?) he won’t be repeating much of the same mistakes which doomed his relationship with girlfriend #1.

    Why make her his girlfriend? So that he will have access to regular sex. And therefore reduce that ‘always horny’ behavior, and being distracted in trying to build a rotation. And instead, channel his energy toward his goal of becoming valedictorian of his school.

    Admits his game is shit, so I recommend NOT practicing at the girls at his school (he doesn’t have much time anyway) because it can lead to bad consequences – scholarship taken away (which is very valuable to him). See: Brock Turner (not saying Y.S the type of guy that’s gonna take advantage of drunk girls – but hey, when you haven’t had sex in a while (currently girlfriend-less) desperate times call for desperate measures). And instead I offer, bars and 17+ clubs as a practice field. whenever he has a free weekend.

    And finally, if he wanted more girls, I recommend just banging the girls in his new girlfriend’s (R.I.P.) social circle. Rather than cold approach (easier due to instant preselection).

  38. “I’ll stick to the alpha fucks part.” aka “I’ll blindly regurgitate some pick-up and TRM Rollo post and a gif and say Shit Game! and other inappplicable nonsense.”

    j is green with envy. he has zero original to add, only more fictions about himself.

    And thank him, please, for backing out. Doing nothing is the best j can do for YoungShagger.

    Incel and uninspired is a chosen life you gamma faggot, j.

    Oh and now j is a track star. Before he posted he was D-1 football scholarship…yet can’t get laid until 25.

    Youngshagger is the guy j wants to be but will can’t so he starts in on that old, and I mean old “I’m AF yo!”

    The more j posts the closer he’s to irrelavance as he cannot post an original thought.

    j suggests he finds a gf that has chemistry….wow… how novel.

    It’s that type of comment that reinforces you incel status.

  39. What could j say without flashy PUA verbage?

    He could complain about his daddy issues and his feelings of loneliness.

    He claims yeoman’s work here. He’s no more AF than he ever was.

  40. Here is the thing. I said my game is shit provided I am going out of my way to seek girls. Like Intellect,SFJ, and PS said it is best for me to make myself the my own mental origin, and just be an attractive guy that exudes confidence and is pleasant to be around in my school, or any social scene I am in. That is where it all is on my terms and that is what I should strive for. That way girls talk and I can build my SMV in my school that way without having to seek out women. Does that plan make sense?

  41. @Sentient If he’s 17 and he’s asking us for advice, then he’s going to have to step it up. Where I live it’s like high school. Everyone is into everyone else’s shit.

    You have to be smart and have good game and ZFG to spin plates like I’m doing at my age.

    But since he’s a new and if I knew back in HS what I know now…I would have been working the pre-selection angle—something I never understood until I started exploring Game.

  42. “Oh and now j is a track star”.

    Nah. Always have been….I brought it up when blax started comparing accomplishments before 25.

    Now this:

    “Before he posted he was D-1 football scholarship…yet can’t get laid until 25.”

    lol. Same old amog tactics.

    make shit up that I never said or did or happened. Then I defend myself. Then silence. Rinse repeat.

    “you gamma faggot”

    …Beginning to think your gay bro.

    “j suggests he finds a gf that has chemistry….wow… how novel”

    Ah going with the same ole reliable amog tactic. Because once wasn’t enough apparently… lol

  43. YoungShagger

    Don’t get caught up in the board battles here lol. I don’t think you will.

    J is trying to make up for lost time as a former incel. It’s common on game / PUA boards to run into these kinds. He’s adopted the loathsome identity of a “PUA” or “slayer”, which is not a good look. It’s certainly not an ethos. It causes you to do silly things like post pics of common 6s for validation. He also doesn’t understand how to get along in a group of guys. As the current commercial goes “he’ll figure it out”. Or not.

    No matter.

    That said his advice in your particular circumstance was not bad. And his game advice is generally good (when he’s not fawning over some other former incel gamma’s new made up words).

    And the other guy’s advice is not bad either.

    Here’s the thing YS. Living a RP Alpha life, demonstrating the Alpha Triad characteristics (dynamic, passionate, authentic) while you are crushing your MPoO goals… WILL be attractive to women. They WILL come if you build it.

    [Obligatory DPA reference post https://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/sentients-dynamic-passionate-authentic-framework/%5D

    The rub is, a) will you recognize that attraction? b) know how to act on it? and c) you are the chosen not the chooser.

    So you have a plan. Bolster your plan by learning some Game. Remember Game is a language. The female language of seduction. They speak Catonese, we speak Dog.

    Invest marginally in learning game as time permits. Go through Mystery Method for a solid background in attraction and stages of seduction and social dynamics. It’s a short read and a work you can keep coming back to for reference.

    So when a girl hints about “Studying” with you sometime you get the point. And the lay…

    https://www.conquistaperfeita.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/The-Mystery-Method-How-to-Get-Beautiful-Women-Into-Bed.pdf

    You don’t have to make a false choice of “spinning plates” OR “year long mono relationship”, there are lots of other options on the board that will align with your goals and fit in your time constraints.

    So get some understanding and charge ahead, with your eyes open and ability to capitalize on opportunities as you come across them.

    You got this.

  44. @Sentient:
    LOL at that “lost many lays to actually studying”.

    A fun memory from me with a very cute girl that was in Med-school but asked to study something, and then at the end she is grabbing my hand and groping it is telling me I have “a good hand to study anatomy” (because I’m think and she can feel all the bones LOL), this just as my girlfriend (now my wife) arrives…

  45. Wala

    “Where I live it’s like high school. Everyone is into everyone else’s shit.

    You have to be smart and have good game and ZFG to spin plates like I’m doing at my age.”

    The difference though is your girls are spread out all over and if you blow up a haunt you can go to a new one.

    He bangs two different girls in his AP Physics class after homecoming, he can’t change classes or schools… Lol.

    That’s the dynamic, the forced constant interaction and all the social jostling that creates.

  46. Palma

    “I’m gonna get tested hard for secret society “safety” aren’t I…

    That will take the form of questioning me about my girlfriend status. They’ve seen me with various women over time but I have never discussed detail..”

    I doubt you get tested. And not like this. They are married, they want dick not boyfriends. They’ve set the table for you because you already ping as the Alpha guy who “gets it”.

    Sure if they ask just say you never kiss and tell, but any test will likely be along the lines of your neediness or “not getting it” that risks drama at home. Is this guy a climber?

    That’s the “secret” part. And the “safety” issue.

    Probably easy to get her to come over for that drink and your pizza, so she’s not out where people might spot her and you…

  47. Palma

    Ah missed you weren’t near home.

    Well fix those logistics Hoss. Hotel with a quiet discreet bar and an elevator to your room. Book after they agree.

  48. @Sentient I’ve become much more careful about that situation as of late. But a lot of this has to do with establishing yourself as somewhat aloof and a mystery. Then you tend to attract women who are good at keeping secrets—like the one I banged and then who ran off with dude with the car—as if she’s going to blab to others about THAT!

    The irony is that the High School scenario NEVER ends it just morphs into a work scenario, or a special interest group scenario, or a bar scenario where you start knowing everyone who goes.

    I now spread myself out and then find girls from different social circles and places: a mixture of social circle, club, street and online media game.

    Put yourself into ONE situation and yes, you’re going to be boxed in.

    But surely there are more high schools in his town where he can avoid shitting in his own backyard but game girls outside the school.

  49. Back in 2004, a guy named Franco wrote The Manual of Seduction. Here is and excerpt on Attraction:

    “Attraction

    You will not be able to seduce a woman unless you create attraction in her.

    Attraction is not a rational fact. To create attraction you just have to:

    Show a higher VALUE than hers.
    Have her emotional.

    Because of her strong instinct for selecting the strongest and most gifted men, a woman doesn’t feel real attraction for a man who fails to show a higher value than hers. A woman may naturally choose a man with a lower value than hers for a long-term relationship, but deep down she will never feel true attraction for that man.

    This is one of the main reasons why the sweet and gentle type suffering from the Nice Guy Syndrome is not successful with women. By being gentle, sweet, and submissive and being in the subservient state towards the woman, he sends off the message: “I have a lesser value than you.”

    Methods for showing a superior value:

    Be straight, impudent and funny. Talk to her in a straight and impudent manner and with a funny tone. You show her that you have a beautiful life, that you have fun and that you don’t need her. – Qualify her and don’t let her qualify you and have her qualify herself to you.

    This is a very important part. Read the relevant chapter on this issue!

    Make fun of her.
    Note, there is also an entire chapter devoted to this most important subject.
    Don’t let her control you.

    With a woman it’s very important to follow the rule: “You can’t control me.” Every woman on this planet – even though many will not admit it – wants power over men. There is however a paradox: as soon as a woman realizes that she has taken power over you, she rapidly looses sexual interest.

    Indeed, by letting her control you, you show her only one thing: that you have a lower value than hers! And this is exactly the opposite of what you have to do in order to seduce her.

    An important thing to remember: women try, from the first seconds of making contact with you, to establish control over you! And they continue to try for the whole duration of the relationship! Therefore, to seduce a woman and to keep her sexual interest alive, you must show her in words, deeds and omissions that she can’t control you!

    Show that you could at any moment interrupt your relationship with her.

    In a human relationship the individual who demonstrates being able to interrupt the relationship at any moment shows a superior value compared to the other person. It’s not necessary to make a scene or threaten to abandon her. It’s enough to express from times to times statements like: “Life is so interesting, today here, tomorrow there” or “Babe, nothing lasts forever.”

    Do you understand? This is extremely seductive because women love strong emotions and they get interested particularly in those men they cannot have. This is the phenomena which I have called in this book: “the Prince complex.” I got to know women who have this “problem” at such a high intensity that they have never been able to have a sexual relationship with a man because no man could ever be the “Prince” of their fantasies.

    To seduce women you have to be that Prince and show her that she might loose you at any moment. Phrases like: “I will love you and I will be faithful to you for life” mean in many women’s ears (thank God not to all!): “I am a desperate and have a far lesser value than yours. I don’t think I would be able to have other women.”

    And if she, for moral reasons, doesn’t leave you, she becomes in any case frigid or depressed and your sexual relationship with her suffers for sure. She has an orgasm only for the Prince. Be her Prince.

    Read a lot and keep yourself informed, practice being a great talker.

    Women know very well that in modern life the strongest men reach success much more by intelligence rather than by muscles. This works at your advantage. Watch out, however: don’t show value only on the intellectual sphere.

    You must always add a primitive sexual aspect at the right moment, otherwise you show intellectual value, but she doesn’t get excited as a woman.

    A good combination for seducing women and show value is:

    Use the frame straight, impudent and funny.
    At the same time show personality and value.
    It’s not good if one of these two is missing.

    Interact with women only when you are in a positive mental state.

    Who considers attractive a depressed, weeping, and sad, crying man? If you want to seduce women get the fantasy of being able to love them like a three-year-old child loves his mother out of your mind.

    This is very important!

    A successful and mature man doesn’t confide his weaknesses to a woman! being a real man is a lonely business!

    Watch out: the majority of women you encounter will tell you things like: “You have to open up to me, show me your feelings” or “I would like you to confide in me your weaknesses.”

    Don’t take them seriously and be careful not to answer positively to those attempts of theirs to make you open up sentimentally!

    Women actively try to make you tell about your weaknesses and then they go to bed with a man who keeps them to himself and treats them as children to whom one doesn’t tell serious things.

    Why? Simple: he who tells about his weaknesses is weak and the evolutionary alarm system of women goes red: “he is a weak person, he is a weak person! It’s not worth it to be a woman with him.”

    This happens even though her evolved social part may take delight in the fact that you open up. Tell about your weaknesses to male friends and to women whom you do not find fascinating and whom you don’t want to seduce. Get a dog or a cat and keep your mouth shut about your weaknesses with beautiful women you want to bring to bed.

    If you confide your weaknesses, she will not forgive you for doing so, even though she was the first to invite you to do it.

    In the chapter devoted to the mental state, we have seen how to put oneself into the right mental state before devoting oneself to seduction. If you interact with women in a positive mental state, you show value and that creates attraction.

    Use social proof every time you can. In the relevant chapter we have given a detailed description of social proof but we go back to that here from the point of view of creating attraction.

    In a woman’s eyes the value scale grows exponentially in the following way.

    A. In a bar you talk with your male friend and the male barman and you laugh and everybody finds you funny = Value!

    B. In a bar you talk with a woman and you laugh and everybody finds you funny = Even more value!

    C. The woman hugs and kisses you = your value grows even more!

    D. Many women are close to you, find you funny, hug and kiss you = Extreme value! And your attraction grows accordingly. In my opinion Social proof is the most powerful mean for creating attraction in a woman. – The frame in which you put yourself from the beginning of your relationship with her and during the relationship establishes the attraction (or destroys it)

    If you want to have success in seducing women, remember this general rule: you always come from a funny and important place or situation and your time is always limited and you use it mainly to love yourself!

    This is also the rule women have always used for centuries in order to be attractive: show extreme self-love!

    It works perfectly also for men if you put it into practice. Use this rule to show value and create attraction. Get used to monitor your behavior constantly to see whether you are following the above rule.

    For a man it is more difficult to love himself than for a woman, therefore you must practice constantly. By loving yourself you show value and create attraction. Creating attraction is the first step for seduction.

    Show a lack of interest in her!

    The more beautiful she is, the more you have to show lack of interest in her! Beautiful women are used to receiving subservient compliments and demonstrations of interest a dozen times per day.

    And what happens? They get bored! Yes, they get bored! You think of being smart and showing interest and she thinks: “God, how boring! Here is still one more idiot who is begging me.”

    In that way you give yourself a lower value and destroy the attraction.

    Show value!

    In order to be a successful seducer you must be able to quickly show value to the woman you want to seduce, without being in a subservient state, without qualifying yourself to her too much. You must learn to show your value “as if by chance”, without letting her understand what you are doing to her. If she understands that you are showing value with the purpose of seducing her, you get the opposite result: she will consider you subservient and your value falls.

    Being a seducer is a bit like displaying a beautiful car in a shop-window and selling it without a “for sale” sign in the window.

    In that way you’ll succeed. “

  50. @ Sentient

    The cities I travel are not clubbing towns. People hook up in bars and in social groups and common activities.

    You’re in LA. Is clubbing as popular as it has been? What changes have occurred, if any, in how dance clubs are run over the last 35-40 yrs?

    I ask, as clubbing…long entry ques, cover charges, dance, drinks, bass driven music, table service…seems overwrought for hook-up. The internet as a validator for women…..takes a lot of steam out that highly stylized venues, IMO.

    Most of the 12 or so dance clubs have closed by me. There’s one left and it is dilapidated.

    Thanks.

  51. Eh

    I’m not in LA, but I do travel there regularly. Most of my game is in upscale lounges and hotel bars, restaurants with good bar scenes, some rooftops and the street (day and night). A few dives thrown in here and there. Not clubs like you are describing. Having put in enough time, I limit myself now to venues that I enjoy going to for the most part. LA does have a great mix of these kind of places though.

  52. @Palmasailor

    @ HABD / Sentient

    So i went to the coffee shop again today where I road tested Doctor of Orgasmology, and followed up with ankles behind your ears line.

    Same Girl has been “thinking” with the other girl that works there that the three of us should go out for a few drinks “while I’m in town”.

    just don’t cheat them out of this opportunity for a threesome…lol… but not really kidding… when are they ever going to get a chance like this again?…

    Both married.

    So its secret society and It’s either one of them or both together / or both separately.

    I’m gonna get tested hard for secret society “safety” aren’t I…

    probably… mostly for the secret part… just don’t kiss and tell like usual… also you can push the ‘non-judgment this is just fun!’ aspect ‘enough’… once isolated, you WILL have to lead them, though…lol… remember, YOU are their joint conscience for this experience…

    That will take the form of questioning me about my girlfriend status. They’ve seen me with various women over time but I have never discussed detail..

    good…

    I’m tempted just to reduce to absurdity in the face of questioning:

    “I never prognosticate about the peccadilloes of my muses” and then change subject – venue bounce arm and arm with both?

    if overt ‘arm in arm’ is not going to trigger some ASD, then sure, but let the girls decide… ‘secret’ might require some effort… just calibrate…

    I’ve got no logistics which sucks …

    Thoughts..

    why no logistics?… are you staying in the small village?… don’t you have a room? or just visiting for the day?… tell the girls to work it out…

    “i don’t drink and drive, so you will need to figure out a place to crash after the drinks”… (note the ambiguity…lol)

    good luck!

  53. @Palmasailor

    @HABD

    Will see them before anyway so will ping for logistics

    Frustrating thing – Doing a project with an old friend and crashing during the week in the guest suite on one wing of his pile but also car sitting while he’s away with GF. So have the house to myself.

    We’ve bought many girls back but he is very touchy about who comes back. Would be impossible to get away with it and be considered disloyal – would destroy a friendship.

    got it… bros before hoes… and good choice…

    just make the girls work it out… and if you are car sitting, you can use that line about not drinking and driving…lol

    good luck!

  54. YoungShagger
    Here is the thing. I said my game is shit provided I am going out of my way to seek girls. Like Intellect,SFJ, and PS said it is best for me to make myself the my own mental origin, and just be an attractive guy that exudes confidence and is pleasant to be around in my school, or any social scene I am in. That is where it all is on my terms and that is what I should strive for. That way girls talk and I can build my SMV in my school that way without having to seek out women. Does that plan make sense?

    Yes that makes sense. Look to the Sixteen Commandments of Poon and number three about making your mission and not women your life. Your mission is Valedictorian and State Wrestling (eventually NCAA?) Champ. Obviously, you can’t be all work and no play and I remember the jackhammer in the back of your head girls are at seventeen but don’t sacrifice that mission for girls now. Learning how to make the decision now of whether or not a girl is worth your time (your limited time away from pursuing Valedictorian and State Champ) will serve you well.

  55. Palma

    What gives? / my sons voice and speed of response were not congruent with the refusal.

    Tree meet apple… He’s your son right? So he gives a little bit – because in his heart he does want to reconcile – then puts his back up to show strength etc. Think your offer was great, puts the ball back in his court in a non threatening way. Gives him an avenue to back down… “so the food doesn’t go to waste” or whatever.

    Hey if it doesn’t come off this time, stay ZFG frame and try again next time. Time is on your side, cause his world is increasingly going to be filled with madness and you are the best medicine for that noise… and he knows that.

  56. @Palmasailor

    @HABD

    So part of this current project is the next stage in my plan.

    (Its all the same mate below)

    The last stage wiped out the bulk of my cash, but I still function just fine day to day. The structure had to change and that’s done now so I can move on with the next stage, we are more or less on track.

    I’m crashing at my mates pad in the week and that’s ten minutes from my son.

    Here’s the disconnect, after the last interaction my son told me not to contact him. I said “ok if that’s what you want”

    what he heard was that it was ok with you if you didn’t see him… unless you put a disclaimer in there that ‘that’s not what ((I)) want, but i’ll go along with this for a short time…’

    That was about a month ago. Anyway after consolidating this deal with my mate so I’m now up here I texted my son to the effect “I wanna talk please call love dad xx”

    So he calls in 6 minutes. I mean that’s a fucking record. He wasn’t that fast off the mark when things were cool.

    he wants you to work it out (‘just get it’…lol)…

    My son knows and likes my mate and his son. A couple of years ago all 4 of us flew for a few days to a car auction in Italy. It was a great boys trip.

    So I tell him I’m local and and staying with mate in the week I want to go out and eat.

    so far so good…lol

    I say this situation is ridiculous and that I’ve always done what I think is right, etc..

    still good…

    and I’m not swallowing this current situation,

    still ok…

    and I’m not apologising.

    i’m betting this is where the interaction went bad… i understand the concept… buuut…

    i just have one question for you to consider… is your son a zero sum game for you?… which, if you had to choose between your ‘pride’/what you are trying to teach him… and being able to see him, which is more important to you?… is he not important enough to you for you to admit that you ‘made a mistake’ (even if you didn’t)?… bc that’s what he sees…

    i know i said this before, but girls really are children who never grow up…lol… that’s why they never want to take responsibility…lol… i know you want your son to take some responsibility (and that you are trying to teach him that), but given what his current life situ is, don’t you think you might be able to cut him some slack?… and this isn’t a situ where if you ‘go beta’ you are hurting yourself wrt the relationship…

    It’s a cool conversation with no heat.

    that’s good…

    There’s an event at a wine and food bar we used to go to that he loved and I’ve booked two seats Thursday. I tell him this but He says he doesn’t want to see me, and he’ll call when he’s ready.

    well, that’s better than him telling you to p*ss off!…lol… but there is most likely something that you are going to have to do to help him work through this situ… best option is probably to get him to be able to do you a favor…

    I tell him “ok, but I’ve booked the seat, it’ll be there empty and he can get an Uber if he changes his mind.

    if this was an important business deal, would you leave this^^^ to sort itself out?… or would you try to close the deal by taking positive action?…

    Background that’s come down the pipe, ex wife has not yet married new bloke (rumour he won’t marry). Rumour is He is a control freak and won’t let her leave the house (might be to control her spending) new bloke has cancer (don’t know what type)

    For the record I think the new bloke is ok. There are much worse men out there. He’s a Regular Joe?

    that’s too bad about the new bloke’s situ… that also increases the stress on your son…

    What gives? / my sons voice and speed of response were not congruent with the refusal.

    see above… he wants to see you… everything was probably going along fine until you wanted him to take responsibility for acting like a kid…lol

    For the record, my mate would be delighted if I sorted it with son, and would move us both into his pad for a bit if that helped..

    final thought… which is better in the long run?…for you and son… ‘apologizing’ and getting more opportunities to spend time with him/teach him things… or ‘not’, and not having those new opportunities…

    good luck!

  57. @Palmasailor

    @HABD

    It didn’t actually go “bad” as such. He’d already declined the offer before we had the talk.

    that didn’t actually come through on your comment…

    I know what I’ve said about the do’s and dont’s of apologising but the thing is my gut is telling me not to. And he didn’t flare up at that, if anything the calm tone of me just saying that I’d always done what I thought was right, including fighting in court for him calmed him down. There was absolutely zero animosity, and up to now there has been a lot.

    that’s good… but i was thinking of ‘apologizing for tossing his skateboard’… not all that other stuff…lol…

    This is not the same as a business deal because if it gets to the stage where I get up and walk on those then I don’t go back. I will have a plan B, C, D &E possibly more. I don’t have those options here.

    true…

    My gut is still telling me that apologising “for what I did” will backfire because it will validate his mother’s narrative that I’m the bogeyman when he knows full well deep down that I’m really not and up until recently we’re been very close indeed.

    then forget my analysis… bc that^^^ seems to be true…

    I can’t say I apologise “for what I did” because he’ll know I’m spinning shit and call me on it, he knows me very well.

    But

    I can say that I’m sorry the situation has hurt him and I didn’t mean that., that would be the truth. That’s the maximum I could do.

    This is a glitch.. not a system problem..

    that’s good… it sounds like you understand your situ just fine… if he responded that fast, he may show up at the event… if not, just try again…

    i did have a question though… did you actually ‘talk’ when he called back?… like did you ask him about how he is doing, etc?… he probably just needs some time to adjust… bc he obviously didn’t know you would be local when you called, right?…

    good luck!

  58. Sentient, SJF, and Eh

    That all helps a lot. Like I said, I think my best move is to study and try to implement game when I can in my free time in a way that does not interfere with my compulsory activities. But talk about total trial run playground for me this year in highschool. There are maybe 500 girls juniors and seniors that are at least 17, but the college I am going to has 7000 undergraduate students and it is a couple miles away from Chicago and it connects to their train loop. There will be no shortage of domain there hahaha so best to just learn and perfect my game now in a non intrusive manner to my goals.

  59. @Palma
    Shit.. is this a fucking skateboard thing?
    I sold it actually for £20. I transferred him the £20 when he asked about it.

    Replace ‘skateboard’ with ‘link to that other life we had/could have’ (includes you) and read how that sounds.

    The concept of ‘wanting to just get it’ doesn’t apply only to girls.

  60. @ Palma

    There’s a difference between a man 1) apologizing to tactically escape servile fear or filial loss and 2) apologizing as a man feels he has done something wrong and must make amends.

    Your son is a clear-headed young man in a manipulative environment. He can tell the difference between the two apology types and will appreciate your extension of good will.

    I’ve said something to the effect to others after I’ve botched things: I’m looking to be better in many ways and appreciate your input. You’re a smart guy and I appreciate that too. If there is anything you think I can do to help the situation please mention it and I will be all ears. Thank you.”

  61. Hi, I decided to post because, I’m a guy going through some shit and don’t know where to turn for advice. Someone said to try this msg. board.
    Ok, here’s my situation: I’m 44 but look much younger most people think I’m in my late 20’s. I had horrible experiences with girls growing up. And ended up getting my first real gf in my early 20’s we have been tog. since then 8 yrs. bf/gf and 13yrs. married. I have always been attracted to other women but just thought she was my only option. Once I hit my late 30’s all of a sudden women began to notice me. I’m a huge flirt but it never seems to go anywhere. My wife is a prof. artist and we go to lots of events with free wine and tons of attractive women. Lots of flirting but seems like I just go home depressed. I’m not sure how other guys have affairs because it seems super difficult to deal with women on any level. They seem to change personalities by the minute, and send mixed signals. Recently in the past few years I basically got “Me Tooed” several times just for joking around and flirting,nothing that would constitute harassment. I’m a good looking guy,rocker/artist type vibe so I was floored by the crazy animosity, it’s like everyone’s gne crazy since Trump became the president. Wife is now overweight, spouts off typical huffpo feminist nonsense , and cant fathom why I’m not attracted to her. We have no kids, don’t own a home. I only work part-time and dabble in art, acting,(did get an appearance on a show for a major cable network) we have a music proj. together that we both put a lot of time and energy into. I posted on another forum for advice and got half-ass shit or totally chewed out with manosphere insults. If anyone here has gone through this and has non-judgemental/non-nasty feedback. I’d like to know.I’m on my third Therapist in 2yrs at this point.

    Thanks!

  62. Regent,

    Welcome.

    First off, I’d like to get specific what you want. Your life is drifting aimlessly. You do things, have great ideas and potential, yet feel unfulfilled.

    What part of your life represents your biggest disappointment and we’ll start there. It’s easy to be buried by all the little misgivings unless we relax, step back a little, and view yourself from a 3rd person perspective together.

  63. Regent

    Just go see a lawyer and get it done. There is no there there in your situation and you will be dead before you know it.

    Your welcome.

  64. Holy hell, Sentient! He won’t be in any better situation after the divorce as hell not have changed him m.o. one bit.

    He’ll wash rinse and repeat with the FI fueled divorce corp applause.

    Listen Regent. If you want some order in your life you can get it. If you want some anarchy, you can get that too.

    There’s little sensible meaning going on in your life ATM and a divorce will give your life meaning and diversify your portfolio and give you places to be and meet important people, yet you’ll be back where you are RIGHT NOW after it’s all done.

    You’ll think you’ve done something when all you really have done is laterally shift your time and money and talents to other people.

    Answer my inquiry fist before you entertain anything else.

    Btw, I saved a 15 yr marriage this year

    He was a wealthy beta stud co-worker wondering why he was arguing and begging for his wife’s approval and powersharing wasn’t helping his dead bedroom.

    He went Alpha and did it hit the fan. In no time she was shit testing him defensively to the point he lost all fear of losing her.

    She threw his shit on the porch and he was meh and started a loooong drive to St. Louis. He was two states away and guess what? The tide broke, she pleaded him back. He fucked her that night and it’s been a relationship 180 since.

    He went nuclear reset and BOOOM! She got the point. He is back in control doing shit he likes to do again and things are much better for everyone.

    Im not vainglorious here. I like this guy. He had told me “it’s over” half a dozen times before the reset.

    Well, y’all do what you please.

  65. ““Wife is now overweight, spouts off typical huffpo feminist nonsense , and cant fathom why I’m not attracted to her.”

    If she’s asking why you’re not attracted to her you could tell her “I’m not attracted to an overweight typical huffpo feminist. That’s not whom I married. I’ll be
    at the tavern.”

    That’d re-establish your zfg and begin the reconstruction.

    I’m the opinion, fat shrew-like women can be dread thin and silent.

    RP asserts women are beholden to evo-bio natures. RP asserts women will change themselves into anything they need to become for sake of AF/BB access.

    If so, then the calculus is simple. Turn her insecurity thumbscrew and watch with amazement.

    There’s a lot of guys who’d rather root for divorce than something better for reasons that escape me (not really, I’m being polite).

  66. Ah, Regent, just in case you didn’t get it, Palmasailor is being sarcastic.

    I can’t really help with your situation as I don’t have comparable experience but many of the married guys here will be able to help you. It seems to me though that you need to start from the beginning and really work on yourself and improve yourself and learn about the Red Pill and basically figure out what you want in life. You should read Rollo’s first book at least (or the Best Of section on this site) for the basic principles of the Red Pill. You should probably read the Married Man Sex Life Primer by Athol Kay that some of the married guys here read (although I think the consensus is that Athol Kay went downhill after that first book)

    If you don’t have kids I don’t see any reason why you’re in this marriage though? But for now learn about TRP, improve yourself as a man and figure out your direction.

  67. long time – @J – I see nextasf has gone. Skills told me to search reddit for masf to find the temp reddit sub but nothing seems to comes up for me. Can you post a link or something Are all the same posters there? Grodmesiter, skills, bachos(sp?) (the male model dude who girls always hit on) etc?

  68. Regent Ehintellect Palma

    Holy hell, Sentient! He won’t be in any better situation after the divorce as hell not have changed him m.o. one bit.

    Well he will be better off without her for sure. so there’s that. As to your second point, that’s afir, he does need to work on himself.

    But that is easily done without this kind of baggage.

    Look, if he had kids, if he said he loved his wife, she was a good person, he wanted to bang her… – sure he can knuckle under and try and turn this aorund.

    But as your story illustrates – turning it around comes with the implied or explicit threat of if it don’t work you leave.

    He’s just shortcutting the process here, he has less risk because he has less to work with. he can get right to it. If she reacts positively to his starting divorce proceedings, he can than circle back and try and work on the dynamic.

    But really with so little there (hence my “no there there” comment) juststart fresh.

    Get to it Regent and read The Rational Male book and an old copy of Married Man Sex Life Primer (the 2011 edition before Athol sold out like a fag) for starters…

  69. Regent
    While this is a great resource for Red Pill Theory, you can also head over to Reddit to marriedredpill. They talk A LOT about these exact issues and sometimes they give helpful advice. A word of caution, they too can be a bit rough, especially if you just post without looking at any reference material. (It’s like posting here –“I’ve never read The Rational Male, but I need someone to spoon-feed me some help.”)

    You can change your life for the better, I did, but you have to put in the work.

  70. Not a troll, have read Rational Male posts, yes getting clear on direction I agree with. Palma who cares if I’m 44? Didn’t you get divorced and start over around that age? Like I said most people think I’m 27. It’s just I can’t stop looking at other women. Especially younger women. Been propositioned etc. but once they find out you’re married. Then they freak out.

  71. @Regent

    it seems super difficult to deal with women on any level. They seem to change personalities by the minute, and send mixed signals.

    Looks like this was written for you: https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message/

    Recently in the past few years I basically got “Me Tooed” several times just for joking around and flirting,nothing that would constitute harassment.

    You mean you were shamed for your behavior? Or pushed through a legal process?

    Related reading: https://therationalmale.com/2017/11/09/the-creep-part-1/ (see also part 2 and 3)

    Wife is now overweight, spouts off typical huffpo feminist nonsense , and cant fathom why I’m not attracted to her.

    Face it: she’s not attracted to you either. Like any other girl that “Me Tooed” you or left you depressed after your flirting. Female behavior (not their words) is great honest feedback from life. So take it for what it is: an indicator of how well you’re handling your shit and how good your game is. You have some work to do.

    I posted on another forum for advice and got half-ass shit or totally chewed out with manosphere insults. If anyone here has gone through this and has non-judgemental/non-nasty feedback. I’d like to know.

    If I was you I’d take any feedback whatever the coating.

    Been propositioned etc. but once they find out you’re married. Then they freak out.

    Nah there’s more to it. You’re missing a few key elements. Post a Field Report.

  72. Regent

    “Been propositioned etc. but once they find out you’re married. Then they freak out.”

    Lots of women will bang married guys. I suspect you are doing something to hide the fact upfront and then surprising them with it. You doing online stuff?

    MeToo comes from a guy appearing one way and then revealing himself another way… Sheep in wolf’s clothing syndrome.

  73. Yes I mean shamed, not arrested for anything, ha, ha
    And yes I often would hide that I’m married while flirting. And yeah that pisses alot of girls off.
    Recently example was joking with some chunky girl about her tats at an event and made a funny innuendo. I felt we had a good rapport etc. So it wasn’t out of the blue. She apparently freaked out and got me banned from. the place even though I was just joking around, she also said I was following her around when I wasn’t!
    And I wasn’t even into this chick!!!!!, just having fun. And yes I. have noticed this type of thing more since Trump. I would disagree with Rollo that mixed msg. do exist and it’s not as simple I mean I have girls looking like they wanted to eat me for breakfast one day and then ice cold the next and vice versa. I think it’s done kind of emotional state transference or something.

  74. Regent,

    I’m confused yet to your ends.

    Do you want to not feel bad about desiring hot women? Do you want to reify your masturbation fantasies (serious question)?

    Take a moment, dial back your artistic whimsical nature.

    You won’t arrive at your destination if you never pick one.

    Get specific and limit yourself to 1 major objective.

    If you have to think in “I just can’t stop xxxx” then realize this: you choose chaos as having options is more validating to you than actually choosing and acting on something concrete.

    This stuff is as easy to understand as you will it to be. Don’t allow yourself to stall in ideas and RP concepts. They’re ok and worthless without action.

  75. @Palmasailor

    quick thought…

    @HABD

    It didn’t actually go “bad” as such. He’d already declined the offer before we had the talk.

    did he have a chance to accept the offer ‘after’ you had the talk… in a way that would allow him to save face and look like he wasn’t ‘caving on his principles’?…

    if not, might be worth another shot in the morning before the event… (not sure what the time diff is… you might be at the dinner already…lol)

    good luck!

  76. IRL,
    Wife is attracted to me, I remember you from another forum, and thought you were a little bit too harsh then.

  77. @IAS:

    Your question, although it has a scientific component to it, is a matter of philosophy. It boils down to these issues:

    What is life.
    What is the value and meaning of life.

    These are matters that can be discussed and certainly have been, but it might be a flaw in life that we are even capable of asking the questions. One defining characteristic of life is that it reproduces itself. From a certain perspective your individuality is an illusion. Life is not a thing, it is a process. You are an instantiation of that process, something like a cell in the greater organism of Life(your line). If you die without reproducing that Life(your line) dies. To volunteer for that is a type of suicide and your continuing individual life a type of zombie.

    Whether that matters or not is an unresolved (because it is unresolvable) issue, leaving the individual to make their own decision. Death happens and life goes on, the future belonging to those who show up for it. Not that that necessarily matters. Life is hard and death is certain. From an evolutionary standpoint death is a requirement. Life(line) dies to leave the future to Life(better adapted line).

    I’ll note, however, that raising children is a separate issue from producing them. While it may not take a village to raise a child, it is certainly capable of it if it so chooses.

  78. Ehsentient, I see what you mean, yeah it’s just like primal emotional conflict going on. And I think my persona and perception is different because of my artistic nature.

  79. “Recently example was joking with some chunky girl about her tats at an event and made a funny innuendo. I felt we had a good rapport etc. So it wasn’t out of the blue. She apparently freaked out and got me banned from. the place even though I was just joking around, she also said I was following her around when I wasn’t!”

    That’s merely uncalibrated, ignorant social skills. You might have heard of Game, pickup, flirting and tactics, but….

    It’s pretty well known that you don’t tease or neg girls below a certain attractiveness level. Because it’s pretty predictable that one girl would act the way that girl acted. With being hurt and then be indignant and then be vindictive for the slight.

    In case you didn’t know that.

  80. Regent,

    As far as being banned that’s a combination of zero preselection, female insecurity of unverified AF/BB benefit, lack of ASD discretion by publicly sexualizing a woman too soon, WK beta orbiters willing to enforce FI decorum.

    See?

    You first were unknown quantity.

    Women fear not getting something for nothing. They are deeply mired in negotiation sex, AF or BB irrelavant.

    You point out a woman’s phony nature. That’s done by only accepted Alphas.

    And men who kow-tpw to women know zfg dudes are a threat to their sexual access. You are isolated and easily expelled. If you’d have a coterie of dudes with you….that’s preselection and social power.

    Add all that up and you’ll get into a heap of shit.

    Even if you have one of the above covered, the pressure rises until the actors see no way to destroy you.

    I’d like to point out that a Mystery Method indication of interest could very well be a shit test of fitness which by definition is a indication of interest.

    It’s up to you how to proceed.

    Humbly, guided by reality, or in your soi disant RP world.

  81. @Regent: “. . . once they find out you’re married. Then they freak out.”

    There are women who will proposition you because you are married. You are using the wrong gauge filter.

  82. @Palmasailor

    @HABD

    3pm here

    This sent at 10am

    https://imgur.com/a/RzkSE4x

    Thanks..

    probably the best you can do at this point in time… does he really know how to uber?…lol… even if he doesn’t show up, at least the seed is planted…

    and if he doesn’t show, the next step is to ask him to help you with something… i’m sure there are projects around your new place, right?… bc you need his ‘help’… in ‘kid’ that translates as you need/want HIM… and even if he doesn’t agree, another seed is planted…

    good luck!

  83. Regent

    ” I think my persona and perception is different because of my artistic nature.”

    Put that coffee down!

    Look man, there are no special snowflakes in evo-bio/psych… These are the principles which all this advice comes from. Inside is wiring which has evolved for reasons.

    So it’s on these ancient circuits that your cocka is pinging for hot young women and not for your fat wife…

    It’s on these ancient circuits that your wife got fat and is forcing you into the arms of other women, i.e. away from her… It’s not because she is sooooo attracted to you…

    get it?

    [Disclaimer – There will be NO sugar coating, eva]

    You need to watch this… get based in reality you are in.

  84. Regent,

    Artistic nature without artistic focus = flaky social retard.

    That works only in Portland.

    Choose different and now. Get serious about your self-respect and others will respond likewise

  85. @scars

    The subreddit is r/masf. You’d next to send POB a DM for access. But I wouldn’t recommend it tbh. Most posts are by sarge. Who has been banned from joining the new forum for his continued trolling. The good posters, including Bacchus, are on my Facebook group (we’ll move to the new forum once it’s up)

    About the male model thing. It’s funny that when guys see him mention that, they immediately think the dude must look like the black version of Francisco lachowski 😂.

    Keep in mind. This guy is also a ‘male model’

    https://globaltalentsystems.com/polaroids/1339/digital_134798_134799_134800_134801-134802.jpg

    Tbh I’d say I’m better looking than Bacchus. And although I have a higher notch count than him, he has far better game and gets on average, hotter girls than me.

    I’ll post yesterday’s discussion between me, gunwitch, glow, and Bacchus from my group, when I get home. Little taste of advanced game for yall 😉

  86. Hold your artistic accomplishment and spirit against these guys. They’re all in all the time.

    You? .

    Listen to what they’re laying down…beware your own hype even..we’re saying the same.

    https://youtu.be/Iu6gbFf7cLs

    Up is down. Humiliate yourself into knowing the truth about your failing self. Then bust a move IRT being someone different.

  87. This is getting really complicated!
    Seriously just teasing some chunky chick about her tats, and flirting a bit is no cause to get banned this is snowflake silliness. Not some complex anthropological discourse. It has nothing to do with pre-selected , alpha negs etc.. It’s just these girls are sitting around reading b.s. feminist blogs. That’s turning their minds to mush. Even you guys have to admit this. I will admit I like to push boundaries a bit and am not like the typical hipster shrubs these girls are used to but like come on! Ha, ha!

  88. @Regent

    Hi, I decided to post because, I’m a guy going through some shit and don’t know where to turn for advice. Someone said to try this msg. board.
    Ok, here’s my situation: I’m 44 but look much younger most people think I’m in my late 20’s.

    why does this matter to you?… serious question…

    I had horrible experiences with girls growing up.

    welcome to the club…lol… and to TRM…

    And ended up getting my first real gf in my early 20’s we have been tog. since then 8 yrs. bf/gf and 13yrs. married.

    right on schedule…lol… when she hit 30, she pressured you to get married… ammirite?…lol

    I have always been attracted to other women but just thought she was my only option. Once I hit my late 30’s all of a sudden women began to notice me.

    a lot of these girls are chasing beta providers… which is probably one reason they get p*ssed off when they find out you are married…

    I’m a huge flirt but it never seems to go anywhere.

    where do you take it?… YOU are the driver…

    My wife is a prof. artist and we go to lots of events with free wine and tons of attractive women. Lots of flirting but seems like I just go home depressed.

    waiting for those attractive girls to make a drunken move, eh?…lol

    I’m not sure how other guys have affairs because it seems super difficult to deal with women on any level.

    it is if you don’t understand them… or your MPoO is not in you… you can change that by reading TRM best of series (up top on the masthead)… or even better getting @Rollo’s books… MMSL by athol kay is also good… but just the first book…

    then take some actions to implement some changes…

    They seem to change personalities by the minute, and send mixed signals.

    that’s bc they REACT to whatever you are doing/saying…lol… and you don’t ‘just get it’… yet…

    Recently in the past few years I basically got “Me Tooed” several times just for joking around and flirting,nothing that would constitute harassment.

    if there was no legal proceeding, etc… these are probably just sh*t tests…

    I’m a good looking guy,rocker/artist type vibe so I was floored by the crazy animosity, it’s like everyone’s gne crazy since Trump became the president.

    just another standardized sh*t test…lol… but what those girls see, is all their ‘allies’ failing those tests sooo spectacularly…lol… by agreeing with them… that they can’t believe that you would actually be different…

    Wife is now overweight, spouts off typical huffpo feminist nonsense , and cant fathom why I’m not attracted to her.

    cats are not dogs…

    We have no kids, don’t own a home.

    sooo, no real reason to actually stay married?… except a ‘sunk cost fallacy’… and inertia…

    I only work part-time and dabble in art, acting,(did get an appearance on a show for a major cable network) we have a music proj. together that we both put a lot of time and energy into. I posted on another forum for advice and got half-ass shit or totally chewed out with manosphere insults.

    were there any ideas of value in there?… or did the delivery trigger you?…

    If anyone here has gone through this and has non-judgemental/non-nasty feedback. I’d like to know.

    feedback here is judgmental… it has to be… although it’s generally not ‘on-purpose’ nasty… if anything like that happens, the man delivering that ‘nasty’ is trying to get a response so you take some action… to break you loose from that BP/FI inertia…

    I’m on my third Therapist in 2yrs at this point.

    can’t get one to tell you what you want to hear, eh?…lol… ‘therapists’ can usually only point the way… just like here… although here you get actual good advice…lol… YOU have to walk the path yourself… and some parts are easier than others… but all parts of that journey take action/effort…

    Thanks!

    Not a troll, have read Rational Male posts, yes getting clear on direction I agree with. Palma who cares if I’m 44?

    YOU should…lol… bc

    “I only work part-time and dabble in art, acting,(did get an appearance on a show for a major cable network) we have a music proj. together that we both put a lot of time and energy into.”

    what do you actually WANT?…

    Didn’t you get divorced and start over around that age?

    he already had developed his situ… he just got wiped out… ‘starting over’ is not the same as ‘starting’… but it’s still not too late…

    Like I said most people think I’m 27.

    ya, so?… you are ACTUALLY 44… don’t freak out, but living in everybody else’s frame is the opposite of being your own Mental Point of Origin (MPoO)… you can change that tho… just takes effort/action… by YOU… do you sense a theme?…lol

    It’s just I can’t stop looking at other women. Especially younger women.

    there is a lot of that going around…lol… and to quote SJF…

    ‘what are you going to do about that?’…

    Been propositioned etc. but once they find out you’re married. Then they freak out.

    lol… probably had you lined up as a beta provider, and got surprised by your marriage status… so wear your ring and don’t hide the fact… it shouldn’t be a problem… haven’t you heard of the new open hypergamy?…lol

    your basic option is to stay where/how you are… or change… that’s it… but you have to decide what you want…

    if you decide to stay married, just look at it like your wife is a live-in sh*t test generator… bc that’s what will be happening as you work through your changes…

    good luck!

  89. @Palmasailor

    @HABD

    He’s been on my Uber account for two years since Milan car auction, he used it to book all the taxis for us.

    so, at least he can get there… he might show up…

    I’ve asked him to come and work with me and I’ve offered him work with another friend who owns a factory manufacturing the metalwork for very high end jewellery.

    All NO.

    were all of these work offers ‘work offers’… or personal favors to you?… you know, like you needed him to help you with something personal to you…

    He’s being a fucking shit.

    maybe… but he’s still a kid… in a tough situ…

    good luck!

  90. @J OK, maybe I won’t bother joining the sub then if it’s no good – i’ll wait until the site is up
    With bachuss, I didn’t even know he was a model at first tbh! I just remember reading his FR’s on nextasf and seeing that in most sets, girls were running up to open him and hit on him lol (this happens with my handsome wing lots too) and also his verbals seemed cringey to me personally (although maybe it’s a US/ UK thing?) and then someone told me ‘Dudes a male model” lol. but yeah, i’m sure he kills it.

  91. “This is getting really complicated!”

    Yes and you’re getting less laid.

    Notice how fast you dismiss other’s opinions and defend yourself? Less than 24 hours. Fell free to collapse your frame a little more and call it victory.

    What you don’t know doesn’t hurt you. It’s what you know that just ain’t so that is your ruin.

    Insert shoulder shrug.

    This isn’t about other schlubs. It’s about the schlub you see in the mirror.

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