For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
why mers, why? you’re 110% correct and not just the last one but the last several; very commendable; you must like the hard cases
honest questions… do you see hope? is there a chance? sometimes you just gotta cut ’em loose and wish them the best… is this not one of those times?
“You gotta Let go of wanting to control everything.” That is a little too simplistic to say to simpletons. You do have to let go of trying to control everything. But what that really means is you have to not just desire and have inner intention (like hank) to game, let alone fuck girls. You have to intend to raise your hand and volunteer to choose action. The reason I say that is that your goal is to control your reality. It’s just that you don’t do it by battling it’s energy against you. But it is: you choosing the… Read more »
Mersonia carpet bombing truth…
Nice.
http://babalublog.com/wpr/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/carpet-bomb.gif
Field Report time for me. I don’t post that many because now I have a small rotation of girls I bang regularly but this is worth sharing. In March I met a girl at my Latin dance night, 26, HB8. I gamed her and she hooked. We made plans for dinner and drinks the next night. She was visiting the city on holiday. Just a really fun, happy but smoking hot girl. She said “I’m just hear to have fun.” We go to dinner, I escalate kino, start the Questions Game. She tells me “I’m married….” I laugh and shrug.… Read more »
@blax Hey thanks for the breakdown I want to emphasize though, the point wasn’t to MAKE you do one, where you’d come into it “Uggggh, god, if I HAVE to” but rather like the breakdown you did back a few months ago with the Sicilian chick, if you can remember. “Went to usual place by my work.not feeling it, shit it bad. but like I say, and maybe its just me, but within limits, the more drunk I get the more I can overcome being drunk as shit.” Okay, but if you’re not feeling a venue, why bother? Also remember… Read more »
@ASD 1) RBF Park Ranger – you played it fine. Socially, she’s at work and you’re doing your thing. Without having Hugh Hefner game, you’d be hard pressed to get more than smile, conversation, and a phone #/contact info. Cause the goal of day game/and of night game for me – is to get them to change venues. You can’t do that easily if the chick is at work. 2) Light Social Circle RBF Sounds like social circle lite, and Resting Bitch Face isn’t the main issue. You know the RBF is not real. With the night game ice queen… Read more »
@SJF: congrats on the recent results, which are a manifestation of the work you’ve been putting in yourself (in other words, putting it in your wife frequently is a manifestation of the work you’ve been putting in yourself, aha).
Somewhat uneventful FR, but still wanna write it down as I like to journal everything and look back/remind myself of various things. I was in Brighton which is a fairly cool seaside resort town in the UK. First approach I was on the dancefloor and there’s 2 girls next to me. An 8 and a 5. I’m a little bit in my head as i’ve not made an approach in 2 weeks for various reasons. I also have a woeful track record for dancefloor approaches. Had some very embarrassing, brutal rejections in my time on the dancefloor, lol. Anyway, I’m… Read more »
Hank “Again…what? Just call it a day and go home? Or I can keep making do with what I’ve got in this venue. I just don’t get this perspective.” If you were trying to get laid you would understand this perspective. If you have ever been laid you understand the probablities of this kind of set are very low. What you should have done is entered, analyzed all the sets quickly, worked the better ones, maybe – stress maybe – hang out for 30 minutes to see what develops if the timing is right for more people to be arriving,… Read more »
Wala
Let us know what happens on this one. I’m curious.
Hank
Which is why the married russian above called me a “meat hunter” and not a virgin.
Lol… Archie and HABD explaining social dynamics like Cesar Millan his bitches:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za7SvC5t_pw
@having a bad day
“i wrote up a whole dissertation in one of those ‘discussion’ threads about how different levels of HBs have different strategies for finding ‘better’ genetics… HB8+ have different goals than hb6-8, etc… i don’t have time to look for it, but maybe IRL (or somebody else) can find it… basically hotter girls have more reserved reactions… which fit their repro goals better…”
I don’t know man, I think I should start an online biz and charge for it… lol
https://therationalmale.com/2016/05/15/tribes/comment-page-2/#comment-156291
@WestIndianArchie If words don’t carry content, guys would not have as much problem with texting and messaging. Are you saying that my content didn’t fly through the wires and you misunderstood my words? 😉 lol Yes, words are NOT inconsequential. Yes, you can say a wrong thing and flip the whole interaction upside down. What I’m saying is that words are merely socially conditioned pointers and it’s the brain that attaches meaning to speech sounds (or text messages). So what you think you’re saying is not necessarily what she hears (if you push the wrong button with your ‘wordy stick’).… Read more »
@Sentient “Mystery always said the game is won in comfort. I’m very socially adept but do feel comfort chat draining attraction. Calibration between social comfort chat and seduction comfort chat needs improvement. While keeping attraction lit.” Then try thinking ’emotional bubble’ instead of ‘comfort’: http://www.girlschase.com/content/how-bubble-girls-and-bait-hook http://www.girlschase.com/content/how-use-liminal-space-advance-your-dates-girls HABD: “‘provisioning’ also includes ‘investment’ of attention/time/treating her like a good girl/enjoying her company as a friend (without sexualizing/pushing for sex)/multiday time frame/etc…” Sentient: “Helpe understand. My feeling is that this ^^^ is their game. It’s not mine. I mean I generally don’t do numbers for comms security, am in a place for a… Read more »
@walawala
“We go to dinner, I escalate kino, start the Questions Game”
Had to google that. You mean this?
http://www.theattractionforums.com/showthread.php?t=101525
@having a bad day
“i think you are missing a big point on the ‘300/400 opens as fast as you can’ exercise”
Vin Diesel says 500 lol
@IRL Yes, that’s the Questions Game. Sentient…i’ll see how this goes and will let you guys know how it turns out.
@scars dancing is good and I may be autistic, but it doesn’t mean I’m spergy, haha I also have a woeful track record for dancefloor approaches. I assume you’re doing freestyle. Give us more detail…do you immediately approach your target(s), or do you build value by dancing a few secs with several groups, getting smiles from them, then moving on, before you finally approach your target? Why not approach off the dance floor at the start of the dance and ask the girls to go on the floor with you? That way it’s you leading and showing value by approaching… Read more »
@scars
I forget to handle cockblockers, too, all the time. Always assume that there will be cockblockers whom you have to charm.
@Archie
the social circle lite is actually a hostile social circle..the queen bee of that circle is hostile because I send students I teach to a rival dance instructor…the queen bee feels like I cause her to lose revenue…how can I turn this around without sending her students?
If I talk to girls in the hostile circle, no matter the plausible deniability, the queen bee will lean on them.
But the challenge is to make it seem totally natural so the ASD doesn’t kick in.
It just happened!
Get her to sexualize inadvertently…she’s the perv and you’re the innocent…get her chasing hard…qualify her out the ying yang…compliance test her…ramp up the sexual tension indirectly…keep unbalancing the girl…eventually you give her the message, “How can I resist?” so in her mind “it just happened”
Subcomms speak to the heart. The emotions. The feelz and fantasies. It’s like when the Rock used to say ” do you smell what I’m cooking?”. Of course, he wasn’t cooking a fucking thing, but his body language combined with the words so that you ” got ” what he was actually communicating. Verbals can trip emotions. That’s why poems can make chicks tear up and cry. It takes a certain amount of skill to elicit the reactions you seek verbally. Just ask any comedian. Subcomms can be evident even when you aren’t deliberately trying to communicate anything at all… Read more »
Lol, wanna know how sick my mindset is? I was dropping my daughter off to work at a strip mall. After she got kissed me goodbye and went into her job, I was sitting in the car listening to one of my fave songs and watching people… Mostly women. The thought occurred to me ( for the millionth time ) that there were sooooooo many different women, all ages, all sizes, all colors, and I get to bone them if I want. How absolutely cool is that? Plus, the song coming out of the speakers is fucking awesome, and the… Read more »
….shit, I’d better go stretch my damn self.
@Blaximus Maybe I’m crazy or I have a massive brain tumor or something, but possibilities seem endless if you want to try to take advantage of them. Congratulations, you just distilled Vadim Zeland’s Transurfing Reality down to one comment rather that four months of reading 700 pages. I learned a hell of a lot from that book (on top of the hell of a lot I already knew and practiced). And you just summarized the process naturally. Great job, man. I think Reality Transurfing has everything to do with Game and it describes what Blax just did and it describes… Read more »
Scars You could be a baller if you gave yourself a little credit. Work on your mindset. It’s awesome when cold reads hit like that and their jaws drop or they go wife eyed… If you do hit on some reads give them “I nailed you. I nailed you in five minutes” with very sexy subcomms and laser. Emphasize the “nailed”… Did that with the airport hottie… And this “She said something like ”Come find us later” but I didn’t see them again.” And you got her number to text her right? Right? This is a good opp for a… Read more »
Wide eyed.
@Blax Hehe, great story…I can relate a two step lesson in a store in a mall and the 22 y.o. PR manager chick didn’t want me to cut out. I daygamed her just because I felt like it. Store was empty in the a.m. and it just brightened her day. She showed me shit about a guy in Miami she was flying out to bang and told me about drunk banging a beta friend one weekend night while her bf was at home watching her kids. I was going, “yeah, Ok” the whole time, lol. She was revenge fucking because… Read more »
I do not want or hope. I Intend.
Hank Holliday’s connundrum spelled out in telling a guy something he needs to Accept. I’m sure this is repetitive by me and not something that is Acceptable. But it should be. Not meant to be an excoriation of him per se. But a lesson for the peanut gallery. We all know what is going on here. Hank know it too. He just can’t fathom it or is too scared to put it all into practice. That would take staring into the abyss and putting Red Pill into practice. It is simple but hard to do, because he is behind the… Read more »
@westindianarchie “Are you talking about getting yourself into “state”..into “flow” Or getting random strangers into “state” or “flow”?” Read Blax’s post on the music and interacting with the milf. That’s better than I could write up right now. Still nursing a hangover from attending yesterday’s Browns game. But yeah, it’s about your state of mind and going with the flow with unthinking confidence and intention. Keeping your frame and pulling them into it with playfulness. Joking, teasing etc…Give them a reason to laugh or pay them a compliment, there are dozens of ways of opening with strangers. As TON would… Read more »
Some excellent news for me to celebrate.
DONE with alimony.
It was a joy to see my paycheck today with that line item finally removed from my life.
Roused
Congratulations! Good shit right there.
[from deeply buried comments now] @ SJF That Nick Sparks guy says interesting things for sure, but then he unloads the The Canard™ once again: It’s when you focus on becoming the best person you can be that someone amazing will come along. False. You can be literally awesome and not get laid, period. So far I have only seen xsplat openly admitting this in the manosphere. Just being authentic does not cut it. That is why game exists when you come to think of it. “Inner game” and all that jazz might be 90% but it is obviously not… Read more »
oscar – you’re not special in the kinds of problems you have, you’ve already seen that in your latest comment alone… however you must put your own special touch on how you overcome and solve them for yourself
that’s just my take, mersonia will correct/augment as necessary
@Sentient Update. So married girl comes over…long story short—was blown out. I tried to escalate but she stiffened up. She responded to some kino but was tensing up to the point of resisting. But…she never left or got upset. It’s clear that i’d need more comfort. Intent was there, attraction was there…comfort was lacking. We drank a couple of bottles of wine and I tried again. Then I decided let’s head out to a club and go dancing. I ended up getting “the cheek”. One the plus side…I had a great night and realized when it wasn’t going to happen… Read more »
Wala Cheeked. On two bottles!!!! Trav would say offer coke… just kidding (but he would say that lol) Interesting. Did you have to chase her to come over or did she come off the first meet set? Did you feel that because she came over you “had this” and stopped or backed off / slowed doing the attraction stuff? Where was kino in this evening, you mention basic, but when did you start, what did you do and when did you bail? Where was sexualizing, cutting space, lasering? When we went out because she’s HB8 I got major social proof… Read more »
Wala
I realized a few things: intention is key. It doesn’t have to be overt cave man but just being present and being a man…staring into her eyes…leading her around, being physical.
Did you consider cave manning when she got to your place? Explain the first 10 minutes…
wala
Was your mentality one of “having a date” vs she was coming over and you were having sex? such that for example if you welcomed her, pinned her, started to kiss her and she reacted, fuck the steaks…?
@IRL Sentient Lol… Archie and HABD explaining social dynamics like Cesar Millan his bitches: same as… lol… “@having a bad day “i wrote up a whole dissertation in one of those ‘discussion’ threads about how different levels of HBs have different strategies for finding ‘better’ genetics… HB8+ have different goals than hb6-8, etc… i don’t have time to look for it, but maybe IRL (or somebody else) can find it… basically hotter girls have more reserved reactions… which fit their repro goals better…”” I don’t know man, I think I should start an online biz and charge for it… lol… Read more »
@ Oscar ” However, I find hard to square “you are not special” with having a high self-esteem. If you don’t consider yourself a bit special I just don’t see how can you pull it off.” the ” you’re not special ” is denoting that fucked up stuff happens to most people wuite often, and that no one should feel immune to it. What makes you ” special ” in your own mind and reality is how you deal with adversity ( or perceived adversity ). No snowflakes, just handling and conquering reality and fear. That shit’s special. ” Getting… Read more »
https://twitter.com/rationalmale/status/914907464931438593
@Sam
I see a lot of lawsuits merging to one humongous lawsuit in the festival promoter’s future.
[Cue ambulance sirens]
Las Vegas shooting is really tragic. My condolences.
Field Report I got laid yesterday Took Mrs. Gamer to an event Fri. night. Didn’t hit on her afterwards. Took Mrs. Gamer to an event Sat. night. Danced a little with her. Didn’t hit on her Sat. night either. Mrs. Gamer hit on me Sun. a.m. I told her I was heading to church. Logistics. After church, Mrs. Gamer wanted to know what time Fun & Games were scheduled for. I told her she was on call. Mrs. Gamer finally assumed the sale that evening, lol. Throughout this weekend, Mrs. Gamer was continually flirty and so was I. Sexual tension… Read more »
@Blax
If not, world population would be plummeting as we speak.
If you discount immigration, the U.S. pop is plummeting. Europe’s pop is plummeting as well.
By “getting laid” I obviously meant regular casual sex, just for recreation. Having babies is another story. And about the whole “do it for yourself” meme, I call BS on it… do guys strive for 6 packs just “for themselves”? Give a break here, you have to be a top tier narcissist in order to do that. You want to impress the ladies. I lost around 22 lbs. throughout this summer. I am in a perfectly acceptable weight, and pretty healthy overall since I have never really eaten junk food or sodas; I just needed to restrict bread and some… Read more »
” If you discount immigration, the U.S. pop is plummeting. Europe’s pop is plummeting as well.”
… good thing the U.S. and Europe aren’t the entire world ( in reality ) or we’d be fucked.
@Blax
Good thing you live in the world and not in the U.S. or you’d be fucked.
@Oscar do guys strive for 6 packs just “for themselves”? Give a break here, you have to be a top tier narcissist in order to do that. I don’t stare at myself in the mirror for hours, but I don’t enjoy seeing even a single roll of fat when I do see myself. My sixpak is barely discernible under the fat. I have some ab strength. Working out is for me. But the dadbod does not cut it with the ladies anymore. Lol, YaReally was laid like tile with a dadbod. You believe a lot of horseshit. But if you… Read more »
@ Oscar Let’s do this – ” By “getting laid” I obviously meant regular casual sex, just for recreation. Having babies is another story.” Right now, there are criminals and ugly dudes and borderline retarded men banging away or getting ready to do so. Regular. Casual. Sex. as you put it. It happens all around you every day/night. ” And about the whole “do it for yourself” meme, I call BS on it… do guys strive for 6 packs just “for themselves”? Give a break here, you have to be a top tier narcissist in order to do that. You… Read more »
@walawala (@Sentient, @HABD) j left a solid comment a few months back: https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-33/#comment-207336 Check out the links… Another good take on what HABD is trying to communicate… @having a bad day ” ‘alpha stud’ is actually the cluster of mental cues/behaviors that men exhibit wrt to girls that allows them to get P in V fast and efficiently…lol as far as AWALT… all girls throw shit tests…lol…” Lol… couldn’t help myself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhpPWWoKICo “the IOIs are dialed down but not turned off… just gotta look closer… like a better level of poker player has smaller tells… any ‘non-reaction’ actually IS the… Read more »
@HABD
So, you should assume that a girl’s failure to give an IOD is an IOI?
I always watch people’s body language and facial expressions to see if there’s an IOD. I don’t rely just on verbal IODs.
@Oscar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYx-1nrDpHg ^ gonna have that on repeat while I write this cause -_- this might actually take some thinking to explain It’s just nuanced topics. AJA Cortés is right in what he says. Personally I have always thought that we are alone in the world no matter what. Yes and No. You want to have a grasp on the fact that your life is going to based on your performance alone. Its not a mindset to be in agreement with. Man is social by nature and this kind of influences you to isolate yourself when their are tons of… Read more »
@Oscar “And about the whole “do it for yourself” meme, I call BS on it… do guys strive for 6 packs just “for themselves”? Give a break here, you have to be a top tier narcissist in order to do that. You want to impress the ladies.” Tons of people do it for girls. Alot of men start doing it for females. Just like people start learning to game to “get” females. Alot of people just fall in love with the things their doing though ,and eventually end up doing it for themselves. You’ve read the YaReally thing so you… Read more »
Good postings Mersonia.
@Oscar
“The TRP reddit story about Paul getting laid despite being fat and ugly sounds bogus to me”
Subcomms > looks
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/microalphatudes/
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/state-of-mind/
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/wrapped-around-his-finger/
@Sentient. Ha! It happens even to the best of us. I backed off after the second push back on my escalation. Then perhaps I kinda gave up and let the evening flow. If a girl wants to bang you she will let you know and she was in asd mode. When we went out I got the major dhv when some other hot girl ran over to me and pulled me on the dance floor. I had thought mine would have left but she stayed in her seat and waited for me to finish and sat with me the rest… Read more »
@walawala Sounds like you half-assed it, man which got you the end result: no bang. “I wasn’t going to push it into the douche bag zone.” Why? She’s with a guy who wants to fuck her despite the fact that he knows she’s married and she stayed with you (to your surprise lol) the rest of the night after seeing you flirt with another hot girl in front of her. Yeah safe to following poon commandment XIII would have been wise here. “I needed a lot more comfort.” No you needed to be ruthless about the bang. You’re the sex… Read more »
@J. The reason I shared this is because i wanted the newbs to know mindset is key.
Basically I half assed it and choked when I should have escalated.
@wala
You needed more preselection…dancing with more girls…DHV…sexualize…and you never did get her emotionally unbalanced, did you? push/pull
if you had a good time, where’s the problem? So you didn’t bang her that night…she needs 3 dates for you maybe.
@wala
Your date didn’t feel like she had to compete with other girls…better if you just have her along for the ride when you are macking girls…make her compete…don’t give her too much attention…she was attention-whoring…make her work for your attention
Wala was referring to the VIII Commandment of Poon. Newbies, bookmark and study this page: Then study it some more. And refer back to it often.
The 16 Commandments of Poon
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/
@wala …and you gave the girl your highly valuable attention free of charge instead of making her earn it with IOIs and by instigating for a makeout…did you read my last field report where Mrs. Gamer was instigating for sex and I just let her stew? when I danced with Mrs. Gamer Sat. night, another girl I knew came over to us and the girl hit me on the back because…tingles…tingles are catching…Mrs. Gamer shit-tested me about that girl…I smoked the shit test…girls were watching me dance with Mrs. Gamer…of course, Mrs. Gamer saw that…preselection…Mrs. Gamer was showing that she… Read more »
Wala I wasn’t beat up over it because I did have a great night. sure I get that, this is just a useful exercise… like even in your follow up, it seems you are of two minds: “I needed a lot more comfort… The learning here is cavemanning her I think would have been too much. and this Basically I half assed it and choked when I should have escalated. Are at odds. Is the later your ultimate conclusion here? This reminds me of Pure Evil and The Thin Man’s “No LMR Game”, except Thin Man uses a Day 2… Read more »
PureEvil on that thread… I often enough end up in the situation you described in the other thread (http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.p…l=1#post143075), where I’ll have thought I had her on Day 2 and isolated, but she then resists. I COULD go through the LMR bust. . . but I hate LMR battles, so, like you, I find it best to cut things off after maybe the 2nd instance of resistance and end it. That way, the next time you’re isolated she knows she needs to be ready and willing (the sub-communication: if she resists she’ll be sent home, if she doesn’t, crazy pleasure!!!).… Read more »
@sentient. I did everything right: sexualised … escalated… built comfort… did take aways. … got her to qualify herself… she cleaned up. I think I failed it down to avoid looking too eager. We both knew what this was. She was tensing up and I wasn’t going to push it further. I may have half assed but I can read the ioi’s And was getting conflicting signals as her hamster went into overdrive. She sent me a text today thanking me for dinner. I replied: we’ll do it again when you’re back. Remind me to get more wine… Not a… Read more »
Wala
Yeah not a big deal at all. but useful to examine.
She was tensing up and I wasn’t going to push it further.
Would you change if you did it over? Would you recognize the same signal and push it further or back off again?
Like this part is interesting too I can read the ioi’s And was getting conflicting signals in light of HABD’s comments about the more subtle iois… so on one hand you have [to me] massive ioi of her isolating alone with you and drinking and sticking around after you’ve done some escalation. I assume her manner was still open, she didn’t get bitchy and push you a way right? But she is not breaking out of her shell like your others girls in this situation and escalating on you… Be interested in HABD’s breakdown here, to test this subtle ioi… Read more »
@IRL j @walawala (@Sentient, @HABD) j left a solid comment a few months back: https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-33/#comment-207336 Check out the links… Another good take on what HABD is trying to communicate… just wanted to ping in on j’s links in that comment on ‘sexual prizing’… https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/hall-of-fame/3955-sexual-prizing-v2-0 http://www.girlschase.com/content/tantric-sexual-prizing-routine-makes-her-wet-words http://www.girlschase.com/content/talk-about-orgasm-control-and-turn-her http://www.girlschase.com/content/sexual-prizing the ‘reasons’ that Teevster (first link) puts up for WHY girls have sex is just a ‘one level up’ rationalization… mostly from girls’ hamsters…, but also imputed as filtered through the FI expectations… the actual reason is… ‘in service of the egg’… = to get the best genetic material possible (in the moment…… Read more »
@Sentient Walawala I can read the ioi’s And was getting conflicting signals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hnhvWKMqm4 more important… I wasn’t getting the ioi’s and backed off. to do what?…lol… here, let’s go back to the flow chart… ‘lack of IOIs’ = IOD… if there is any doubt… see above… IOD from her ==> IOD from you, then you DHV… and I may have half assed … as her hamster went into overdrive. this is still YOUR problem to figure out/fix… she WANTS you to figure it out… that’s why she stays…lol… i’m guessing you misinterpreted her cues… She was tensing up and I… Read more »
@Sentient Walawala
those subtle IOIs often take place in the liminal space that only men who Just Get It ™ can see…
that’s also true for subtle IODs…lol
good luck!
@Rollo
got one stuck in mod… forgot about the link limit…sorry…
hey @asd, @sentient Yeah, It was a bit of a cockblocking night, although I kind of can’t really blame that fact. I just feel as though I never had enough attraction, basically. With the girl that was by herself, it’s frustrating because i’m not sure what else I could have done. I was throwing routine after routine, keeping the convo going, trying to make her laugh etc etc, even stated my intent, but the whole time I just knew it wasn’t happening. They were never ‘properly’ engaged or ‘attracted’ in my eyes. With the dancing girls – I Felt I… Read more »
@scars
With the girl that was by herself, it’s frustrating because i’m not sure what else I could have done. I was throwing routine after routine, keeping the convo going, trying to make her laugh etc etc, even stated my intent, but the whole time I just knew it wasn’t happening. They were never ‘properly’ engaged or ‘attracted’ in my eyes.
“stated my intent” violated the VIth Commandment of Poon…”Keep her guessing”
to be honest @asd, i’m still experimenting to find out for myself. Some very respected Pua’s are ‘ALL ABOUT making your intent crystal clear, and some are the opposite, and they both get results. To be honest, even though i’ve not got laid a great deal of times, on about 90% I’ve made my intent pretty clear pretty early on. With the lesbian girl recently, I was basically telling her I thought she was hot and the things i’d like to do to her, and how I wanted to ‘turn her’ etc, and I ended up getting her I just… Read more »
With the dancing girls – I Felt I done as well as i could. Made them both laugh at times. Had a fairly fun vibe going with the assumptions and the starsign guessing and all that stuff. Was mildly confused why they left really and not sure what I should have done in order to make them want to keep me around. Throw a massive statement of intent ‘Evolutiondaily; style, maybe?! Focus on the 5 and (mostly) ignore the 8…even to the extent of using your body to partially (but not totally) screen out the 8 when you flirt with… Read more »
With the girl I opened infirectly, I imagine she was ‘still guessing’ as to whether I wanted her or not. Ansd she left me too! 🙂
And yes, I will try to experiment with gaming the friend and semi ignoring the target next time. cheers
@scars
How hot was the lesbian compared with the dancing girls?
The dancing girl who I approached and who I was trying to build attraction with was an 7.5-8. Her friend and the lesbo, both a 6, i’d say
the whole showing intent thing can be confusing. One of the main rules is apparently to ‘assume attraction’ – so we physically escalate early on in the interaction for example. But this is also a blatant display of intent which is possibly a rule break, no? I was listening to a PUA the other day (can’t actually recall his name) but I think he was Australian or British, and he spoke about how much better at getting laid guys were when he lived in Brazil and Italy vs how lame most guys are in the UK/US/AU etc. He said the… Read more »
Mackay
You will never figure anything out unless you het infield and start.
Post FRs… Watch less PUA.
Until then you’re just buffering.
@mackay Let me see if i can explain this real quick. Assuming attraction is a frame thing. Going up to her assuming the set will go well because her life (or night) is obviously gonna be improved because you approached her. This is subcommunicated through your self-amusing and teasing opposed to trying to impress her or going up not 100% certain the set will go well because you think she’s out of your league/not her type. Nothing to do with showing intent. I’m just going up to her demonstrating my personality/value. I also do this by instigating shit test by… Read more »
I will hit the field soon. Promise. Just really trying to get some sort of consensus in my head because various highly respected PUA’s disagree on so many things. I mean, ASD told scars that his mistake was showing his intent, although I know that none of the RSD guys would agree with that! Neither would evolutiondaily. Or Mark Manson. Or….the list goes on. I’m kind of living through scars FR’s a bit at the moment which isn’t good, but he does a good job of putting himself out there and trying things and then reporting back, and I kind… Read more »
Mackay “Nothing to do with showing intent.” The other thing with “intent” is how you express it.. I could say “you are sooo ugly” to a girl and she would know the opposite. That is what you should think of with “intent” versus verbalizing “I want to fuck you”… Girls are very socially savvy and they get that you are talking to them because you want to bone them … duh… What they are looking for however is not affirmation that they are hot enough that you want to bone them, but that you are a guy who can step… Read more »
@HABD/Sentient Would you change if you did it over? Would you recognize the same signal and push it further or back off again? I’ll have to see how this plays out. I’m wondering was I “friendzoned” or whether the follow up text with me teasing her about the wine and her responding suggesting we have lots more is an IOI. The whole interaction is more intriguing for me. A few months back I had a similar experience. I brought the girl home, we had dinner, I escalated, we made out, she pulled back. I escalated and we made out…then finally… Read more »
“I will hit the field soon. Promise”
Wala then finally it didn’t end in a bang. After that she blew me off and I haven’t spoken to her since. To me those two things make sense. The issue was she wanted to bang, but you weren’t catching the Cat-o-nese in real time enough to disarm her LMR. They want that disarmed… by you. And so when the bang does not happen, hamster hindbrain kicks you to the back of the line. Cost of not stepping through a window. Be interested in Archie’s take on the whole thing.. especially “she came over, we both knew it was on”… Read more »
@ Mackay ” One of the main rules is apparently to ‘assume attraction’ – so we physically escalate early on in the interaction for example. But this is also a blatant display of intent which is possibly a rule break, no? ” Not necessarily. ” Blatant ” is verbal in most cases. It’s the verbal part that you want to avoid. Yes, you should always assume attraction in some measure because females are attracted to males, lol. ” I was listening to a PUA the other day (can’t actually recall his name) but I think he was Australian or British,… Read more »
Field Report Dr.’s Office Took Mrs. Gamer to see one of her docs at a new office. Fuck, she has several docs now. Anyway, we had to wait 25 minutes before the PA stuck her head in the door. PA was a smokin’ hot copperhead. I pretended not to notice her when she came into the room. I was grudgingly polite when she asked if I was the husband. I barely smiled. Mrs. Gamer was sitting in a chair. The PA sat in her own chair. I stood, feet wide, like Rollo in the hot car pic with Rich Cooper,… Read more »
” One of the main rules is apparently to ‘assume attraction’ – so we physically escalate early on in the interaction for example. But this is also a blatant display of intent which is possibly a rule break, no? ”
Not necessarily. ” Blatant ” is verbal in most cases. It’s the verbal part that you want to avoid.
+1
@scars If you had told the 6 who was dancing that she was very hot, you would have had a good chance of laying both her AND the 8. Maybe at the same time if they thought you were hot enough. Let’s think for a minute about a two girl set…the girls are each other’s emotional support and social support…neither one wants to be at the bar alone…the 6 is afraid that someone will pick up her friend and leave the 6 there with no one to talk to…and the 6 will cockblock any men who might cause her to… Read more »
ASD For all those “girls like guys with good looks” adherents: I was dressed in electric blue shorts and a white T with a lightly colored multicolor design and tennies. Varicose veins in legs. Bald and overweight, wearing a black cap. And I had worked out, so I smelled like sweat. Yeah, fat, bald, old, and sweaty will get you ignored by girls. lol I guess I missed the part where she closed space and touched you, ran her hands over your arms and chest, involuntarily at first, and said “OMG! You are so hard!” etc.? There is just a… Read more »
Question for all I’ve been in the game since 2000. Countless bangs. Some LTR’s in the mix. Highs and Lows. Read a lot of PUA material. and I’ve seen all the trends. I’ve read a ton more in adjacent fields – sales, persuasion, psychology, etc – and seen how much bigger this “game” thing really is. some of the big names in the commercial pua world. I didn’t really start writing on the topic until 2011. Do you guys have a general framework to put this stuff in? – this advice is practical – this advice is mindset – this… Read more »
“Yeah, fat, bald, old, and sweaty will get you ignored by girls. lol”
YaReally was also fat, balding, and old and ignored/invisible to girls too. But it wasn’t until he stepped up and got in their faces to demonstrate his personality/game that girls realized they wanted to get fucked by him:
http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/5/#comment-heartiste-670709
@WIA
Inner game: mindset/beliefs
Outer game:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/03/13/a-crib-sheet-of-game
Now J… Yareally is on record that he had awesome hair… Also was of average height, looks, and had a beer belly, not fat.
a generic average looking white guy, that description would be me lol Average height, weight, looks, clothes, you name it
And old? Mid 30’s at the time of his departure.
Scray’s journey – from a short fat guy to a sub 10% “natty” BB as well as his concurrent journey from social beta chode to intermediate playa is perhaps more illustrative.