For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
IAS It is specifically the girl’s looks thing that is confusing. I mean, they pretty much know why you are opening them anyway, even in fairly indirect. The second sentence is the answer to your question. Why I say don’t stress the opener… What you say is not important, it is how you say it that is important. This is the rule. If you compliment from a needy, obsequious frame, you will turn her off. If you compliment from a ZFG Alpha frame, you will turn her on. When we mention “subcomms” this is what I mean… not what you… Read more »
The problem newbs addicted to PUA have is they think the opener and everything that follows is some kind of incantation where if they just say the words the spell is cast… they do not seek to understand the why behind the how.
On bars… I’ve been caught a couple of times by friggen bartenders… Meet girl, open, cash out to bounce etc. and the bartender automatically puts her drink on your check. This is where you have to remain focused on your goals… easier to just pay it and focus smoothly on the bang. ruthless. VS some pedantic spergy argument about splitting it etc. It’s a hazard, just go with it. Eye on the prize. Thin Man and Tyler agree. Unless she is a cunt. Also, do not leave a tab open in a crowded bar. Cash out after every drink. More… Read more »
Not just in PUA. Most fields. I did martial arts in college for a while (before injury ended it) and most newbs wanted to know “how long till I get a black belt” – the way PUA newbies want to know “so how soon before I can pull Playboy models?”. Or the questions about badass secret techniques or magic moves that win fights instead of trying to understand the underlying principles (the kind of stuff that Bastiat blogger guy posts about) and putting in the work to learn them.
Culum Ya was a font of wisdom on many things, but life plan is not one of them. As evidenced by his being mid thirties with zero money and one pair of shoes… and always “just about” to crank up that area but never doing so. His plan of “spending your 20’s” gaming then focus on career in your 30’s is disastrous… How many of your peers got into your field at 30? There is a period of immersion for sure, and doing The Hard Work ™… Fully agree. But The Hard Work ™ is hard because you are identifying… Read more »
Gonna skim and copypasta @palmasailor “The thing that the younger readers don’t get is that back in the day if a woman wanted attention or validation from a man she had to put out with her number and actually see / date him. There were not these other mechanisms available for her to retain a call option on their attention.” Everyone Younger understands this lol………. The game isn’t easy mode anymore because of it…. but yeah back in the day (when u supah old folks lived) it was super ez mode because they’re were consequences for girls being a slut… Read more »
@johnnycomelately “How do you dump a girl who you haven’t had sex with yet but who is ultra keen, pursuing hard and set up a time for sex?” Just stop talking to her. Honestly you like the attention and don’t want her to leave you alone though. Some guys like being females “I’m not interested in the bang, I just want this to go away quietly without ruffling feathers and the least pain possible. I’ve never turfed a bird within intersecting social sets and don’t know how to go about it without making my name mud. There are other prospects… Read more »
@SJF “I’m not autistic. I pose as one here from a previous legacy as being ignorant and unable to express myself.” Clearly not helping your case. ” The one component I was lacking was that married red pill Game that I regained and got.” All game is the same bby. “I don’t dislike anything, I’ve never paused to worry and I pursue things onward.” like i said before you’re full of shit. Anyone who doesn’t dislike anything doesn’t like anything. You’re in the same boat as andy right now. “You don’t have to act like I don’t know the score,… Read more »
@ASDGAMER “First learn FAG (Fuckup Avoidance Game), which autists often need, then approach.” FAG game only works if you have social proof /good subcommunications /and or looks (both would be great) ( yes looks and subcomms are different) and the girl is attracted due to it. So doing a cold approach relying on it for most autist ( cause alot of you are ugly af) won’t really help . Most autist will fuck up a lot to learn social skills. everyone sucks when they start though. “I’m always working on my social skills…even here on TRM…took me a while to… Read more »
Quickly, Buffers. Don’t do that shit. Stop worrying about what ” people ” might think of you unless they are your boss or a member of law enforcement you happen to be interacting with. The obsession with what random fuckers or people in a ” social circle ” of some imaginary sort will 100% stifle any growth as a man. You set all of the rules in your life, and the majority of the rules you set must provide benefit to yourself FIRST. Read and re-read the Mental Point of Origin OP here. Don’t live life in some kind of… Read more »
@mersonia
I seriously doubt your wife is attractive or that her “value” is high ( maybe it was 15 years ago when she wasn’t fucking you -_-).
Wrong. She is hot and has a lot of sex appeal.
@roused
lol Shes 40+ …………………..and hot and has a lot of sex appeal . Yeah. You keep that
“Everyone Younger understands this lol………. ” Because, having been there in the Golden Past and experienced it themselves, they know exactly what it was like and can speak authoritatively on it. Whereas old guys don’t know squat about what’s going on now, because they don’t live now. Newsflash: Father Knows Best was a)fiction and b)comedy. Was reading reviews of Dunkirk yesterday and came across a young soldier talking about how he got to meet an old WWII vet and pick his brains. One of the questions the young man asked was “What were women like back then?” The old vet… Read more »
“I seriously doubt your wife is attractive or that her “value” is high” I’m not trying to qualify to you. I’m trying to disqualify you. (Cause you’re being the the dick in the room.) You shouldn’t try so hard. Heehee, my heart sings and my mind rubs it’s hands with glee over her attractiveness and high value. Mostly because I’m over 55 and not very attractive. Good thing I’m psychologically attractive. Hah, The strongest marriages are a physically attractive wife paired with a psychologically attractive husband. The sexual polarity is required. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/07/28/appeasing-wife-happy-life/ The God of Biomechanics works in not-so-mysterious ways… Read more »
“They’re girls. Girls are gonna girl. In a different environment they may appear to act differently, but “under the hood” they’re behaving exactly the same, like girls” +1 “Upon first look, you would have no idea these women act this way. Most of the time, these are good looking, well dressed “career women.” Many of them are wearing wedding rings, or are in long-term relationships. As we already know, women take the shape of the container they are placed in. If you put a woman in an environment where promiscuity and cuckoldry is celebrated, it’s not hard to assume what… Read more »
The problem most young men face today is that they’re learning to think like a woman in order to become a better woman.
Wrong answer, Sparky.
You do need to learn to think like a woman, but because it helps you become a better man.
Blaximus August 1, 2017 at 7:36 “Buffers. Don’t do that shit. Stop worrying about what ” people ” might think of you unless they are your boss or a member of law enforcement you happen to be interacting with. Read and re-read the Mental Point of Origin OP here. Lol@ ” church “. Churches are just structures where people gather to pretend that they are holy. It’s a circle jerk with stained glass Windows. Also, you are not responsible for how someone else happens to feel. About anything. If I need to set someone straight and they get butt hurt,… Read more »
@mersonia
idc .Can’t stop won’t stop.
DLV…wonder why men treat you like shit? You don’t have many friends I bet. Or get much respect.
FAG game only works if you have social proof /good subcommunications /and or looks (both would be great) ( yes looks and subcomms are different)
Standing tall and walking confidently are subcomms and also make you appear more attractive to women. There is some overlap.
@SJF
mersonia is trying to amog all the OMGs and is only coming off as a dick. DLV…no respect for dicks
FAG assumes that you have social skills, which give you social proof. Sexy subcomms come either from “fake it til you make it” or from self-confidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtXGDorNVP8
Not a fan of ESL tourist pick ups… this one is… lol
“I might have to take your picture, I’m gonna tell my friends”
Observe… confidence, basic convo, action, leading… young girl with zero frame…
Depends on the bar IAS. Most bars strive to have more girls then dudes in the bar, thinking that will pull in guys who will buy spend miney buying chicks drinks etc etc. I run a road house type of joint, lots of bikers, off roading guys, car club etc types plus locals. My bar ain’t hostile to women or families but at the same time I don’t care if a gash never steps foot in there as a paying customer and I cater toward older White dudes, say 30 and above. Flip side is, the place is packed and… Read more »
Sentient I think we basically agree. I don’t think YaReally was advocating for spending all your twenties doing pickup – only a year or so of “Doing The Hard Work” to get that part of your life handled – preferably when still studying and when you have plenty of free time. I think of YaReally’s spending most of his twenties on pickup and social skills pretty much the same way I think of surfer dudes or scuba diving instructors you sometimes see in their thirties and forties hanging out teaching and living a very basic life in some nice resorts.… Read more »
LOL some dudes don’t get out much. My house keeper turns heads @ 43. In a resort beach town full of younger girls in bikinis. Surely not like she use to when she was 23 but you still catch dudes doing the double take.
YaReally was very cagey about what he was doing in his new job career-wise, but he did say he was leveraging his people skills and the things he was good at, so perhaps some kind of sales job.
………..
I don’t give a shit what your job is, 9 out of 9 times people skillz will take you further your your technical skills or what have you and I very much see the long term play off for spending a year doing pua etc to hone that soft skill set.
Dayum, I bet that young girl in that matrix vid was hot. I love young EE girls!! I’m jelly
PS – you guys argue a hell of a lot, lol!
scars – Proverbs 27:17
17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
Thanks Blax and Mersonia, I needed that. I fucking hate being a pussy. Feeling sorry for women kicks me to the gutter, heck last time I was with a woman for a year because I felt pitty for her, no attraction whatsoever, didn’t know how to extract myself from the situation. I don’t know how to fucking get that overwhelming feeling of pitty out of my system. Growing up as a momma pleasing boy has fucked me up, always pleasing other people. I got no frame and no game, alpha widowed women, single mommas and post wallers literally throw themselves… Read more »
Learn you some MMA. Get in the ring, kick some ass get your ass kicked. 3-6 fights latter and you won’t feel like a pussy any more
@Johnycomelately
per senty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG-nnDlnWrA
“In 1993, Dennis Rodman brought a shotgun to practice, intending to kill himself in the arena’s parking lot after learning his current wife was sleeping with a teammate. He claims that he instead killed “the Dennis Rodman that had tried to conform to what everybody wanted him to be”
Its your life do what you want with it. Change takes work but its worth it. You got it dude
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/appeasement-is-no-way-to-win-wars-or-women/
https://therationalmale.com/2014/11/17/boundaries/
“In 1993, Dennis Rodman brought a shotgun to practice, intending to kill himself in the arena’s parking lot after learning his current wife was sleeping with a teammate. He claims that he instead killed “the Dennis Rodman that had tried to conform to what everybody wanted him to be”
I read that book and it stuck with me ever since.
Precisely.
@ JCL
Don’t sweat anything. You don’t have to.
Just realize that you have the power to think and believe and be whatever you want, and just choose to be someone that puts himself and his interest FIRST.
There’s no time limit other than the one you decide is right for you.
” Learn you some MMA. Get in the ring, kick some ass get your ass kicked. 3-6 fights latter and you won’t feel like a pussy any more ”
Lol.
Gospel right there.
mersonia August 1, 2017 at 7:43 am @roused lol Shes 40+ …………………..and hot and has a lot of sex appeal . Yeah. You keep that Hey man, whatever floats your boat. I could give two fucks what kind of women (or goats) you’re into, or what age they are. You like porking fatties? Church going wholesome girls? Doe eyed blondes? Chicks strung out on smack? Farm girls? Facebook finger fuckers? Who the fuck cares? I know what I like and don’t give one fuck of thought to consider your opinion to be marginally important. As a matter of fact, I… Read more »
There is always so much to comment on here. I’ll just go with a biggie. Direct is showing/telling a girl that you’re trying bang her right now. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT SHE THINKS It certainly doesn’t matter what *you*-think about what she *might* be thinking. These chicks think EVERYONE is trying to bang them. Or they are entirely oblivious. Often an inverse relationship between hotness and awareness, different story for another time. You can’t focus your attention on what might be spinning her hamster wheel. You will think yourself out of the P. Believe me, I’m as analytical as the… Read more »
@blax did you see my stuff from the other page when you were away on vacation? wanted some advice, particularly on my potential move (assuming I get a job, had two interviews recently). @scars to clarify on the whole “you’re golden if you just keep going out to venues you like that have girls you think are attractive”, you of course have to keep pushing boundaries while you are there. its just MUCH easier to push your comfort zone if you are motivated to do so and if you have multiple opportunities TO practice. If you want water in the… Read more »
a while back I had an experience with a woman that helped me understand something about ‘alpha’ attraction…. my son’s friend’s family was having a low-key gathering and we were invited; one of the people there was the grandmother of this kid, prolly mid-50s or so, and she looked it; you might say that 20-30 years ago she was at least pretty/hot but not now so here’s this woman puttering around the kitchen, making nice with everyone, generally giving off good vibes and well put together, but near zero physically attractive attributes but still, there I was starting to find… Read more »
@ Roused lol, I remember last Nov – Dec ( approx. ) circular, dead end discussions about ” older ” women not ever being hawt, and that they were wrinkled and that no man could find them attractive and blah blah blah blah. I’m of the same mind as Ton, these guys evidently don’t get around much. But what was even much more fascinating was the automatic pedestalization of younger women. The more PUA minded commenters even put age limitations as to what was considered ” Teh Best ” – 18-24 year old hotties. Everything else after that was a… Read more »
WIA “Foreplay starts with your walk over to her.” So true. One thing i like to do is hold a neutral to firm expression on approach, builds anticipation, apprehension even. Therr is this woman who has a shop round me. Been in a couple of times and the game is on. Went in the other day and a soon as I enter she gives out a big “well hello there” and I say… Nothing. Just hold a firm expression and eye contact as a walk the 30 feet up to her. Takes a few seconds. Her eyes getting bigger as… Read more »
Sent – I do that same thing too lol if I am in some place where someone working there has to ask me or engage me, the blank expression and purposeful walk over to them really sets them up to be on the defensive…. they probably think I’m there to complain or bring some negativity; their relief when all I say is hi or engage them w/out confrontation is easily noticeable; very eager to help me at that point, too; works on both men/women where I take it from there is why I visit this site to begin with lol… Read more »
That masculine draws the feminine and if a=b; b=a so yeah Dr Z, I can dig that
@ hank Lol, you wrote a lot of stuff man. I am in no way on YaReally’s level at providing help or tips or breakdowns, but since you asked I can’t ignore it. I’ll give it a shot, but remember that I’m not a pua. All I can do is read what you write, think about it for a sec, then tell you what I would do. So…. let’s see “ so noticed that one of the customers at work that I know will often lean up against me. like she’ll snoop on me if I am working on something… Read more »
@Johnycomelately
https://blacklabellogic.com/2017/06/15/red-pill-logic-hypo-and-hyper-masculinity/
When men who have been socialized in this manner enter the real world, and they find themselves repeating these same behaviors in their personal and professional relationships. They will avoid conflict, because from experience that merely exacerbates the problem, they will engage in behaviors designed to pacify the other person, and generally do anything in their power to maintain a calm, stable environment.
@blax whoa, I just meant a quick low down or whatever, that was a lot. thanks. yeah I wrote/write a lot because I’m trying to get back in things, but my heath is still shit and not improving so unloading here is about the only positive reinforcement I get. not sure about married chick. she’s very physical with everyone, likes to talk to many people. so she’s kind of hard to read. she flaked on the band event, but it was because she couldn’t make it there at all. like I said, I’m kind of worried about doing much here,… Read more »
@ hank ” I think it was Ton or someone who talked about it being normal for people to touch each other — its NOT for me. I was raised by a dad who’s pretty introverted, and our family has never been touchy feely. So touching people is VERY weird for me. Much the same that my parents raised me to be an introvert, even though I was VERY OBVIOUSLY an extrovert from the get go. So I have a TON of bad behaviors to unlearn from my parents. I wouldn’t say my parents are bad people, but they are… Read more »
@Hank ” they are VERY shitty parents — they basically just fed and clothed me, but taught me zero real life skills, and actively made my life more difficult by raising me against my nature.” Don’t shit on your parents…….. They fed you and clothed you which is more than anyone can ask for. Without them you wouldn’t be here whether you like them or not. Yeah they might suck but honestly they might not even have wanted your ass and just decided not to suck you out her stomach. If your parents didn’t beat you or fuck you or… Read more »
” I agree with zipper that femininity is extremely attractive, and overcomes a deficiency in looks, but the opposite is also true. and chicks around here are generally bitchy and masculine, like that 20 year bookstore girl from the other day that I couldn’t get into…versus the 50 year old hippie mom that I would love to bang.” Young girls today aren’t taught how to be feminine. Thank the FI for that development. To them, femininity is being half naked and having purple streaks in their hair with brightly colored talons for fingernails. But a lot of them can be… Read more »
Does bend over bitch count as fore play?
Ps, never kiss them on the lips
Either set of lips
@ Ton
Lol.
“Does bend over bitch count as fore play?”
Only as a precursor to a whiskey douche.
@Everyone: e-mail saga, meet up coming up (5 to 6 weeks since last one). Logistics should guarantee isolation at start and end in a car. As she doesn’t live alone I figured she doesn’t want me to pick her up from her place, so I just asked her to pick a place for us to meet so we don’t have to drive 2 vehicles to the “venue”. She resisted a bit and was suggesting we meet at the “venue”. I make a suggestion not so near the venue which she refused, then I suggested somewhere walking distance to the venue… Read more »
Blax Before I could even react, she just ripped off all of her clothes and dove into the bed. I had her get up and re-dress so that I could undress her. Slowly. With purpose. There is a great scene in the 2003 movie Le Divorce, where Kate Hudson is an American in Paris and takes up with an older married French guy. First time back to his place she is ripping his belt off and trying to pull his pants down and he is all “whoa whoa whoa… slooooow down… what’s the rush?”, and he teaches her about feminine… Read more »
IAS
I say if it takes 7 paragraphs to sum up the situation with some chick it’s probaly to complex to be worth the the time and effort
Shift fire to a better target
LOL had a girl show up with her gal pal once. Asked if they were bi, they said no, I bounced and she called 3 days later to apologize and reschedule but did I think that shit was weird at the time, though at the time I had a high level clearance and always thought chicks worrying about me being an axe murder was weird
Then I started telling girls I promised not to axe murder them until the 6th date and they stopped playing that version of their physical security game
@Blaximus just skimming but this popped out at me… I mean, I get if a man has a certain age preference. No problem with that at all. I am a huge supporter of guys doing/going after what they like and what gives them pleasure, but there is a constant hum on the internet forums that I find disturbing. It’s like a cult of young bitch worship that in my mind, is just as fucked up as anything the FI has cooked up. that IS the FI…lol… the FI is cunning and pervasive… i think Sentient covered this up thread… if… Read more »
@PalmaSailor: yeah if she pulls that on me without even mentioning it again I’ll be tempted to bail. I imagine switching to one of the friends as a target will still be pretty hard. I could great the girls, bail and tell her to call me when she wants the lift back to her car, but I’m not asshole enough to just bail on her given that I insisted on taking just one car to the venue. As for paying, fortunately that isn’t a concern with me (and so far not with this one, although of course AWALT). I don’t… Read more »
IAS I think, seriously do you not see the conflict of interests? So I say “Nice try” (she was baiting me to tear him down or prop myself up), FI my man, FI. Who gives a fuck about “conflict of interest”? This is where you need to be ruthless and move this forward. This was beta bait “if” you were going to assuage her feelings as her BFF, HOWEVER it was also an opportunity to CLAIM HER. She is putting a no-risk feeler out there to see where you stand. It’s no risk because if you FZ yourself and go… Read more »
LOL it will get there my friend
@IAS
Rejection > regret – GO FOR IT.
This entire get together sounds like it’s setup to be a shit-test. Be ready to start the kino early and often. She’ll pull some shit to test you, especially initially, but just push through with confidence and keep going. You have plenty of sexual themes to weave into your date from your e-mail exchanges over the last month.
This is where the rubber meets the road, brother. Good luck!
A chick bringing a friend or friends can mean a lot of different things. A lot of these young chicks don’t know better. Some of them are scared. Some of them need a friend to cool them down, others to run interference. Some chicks are confused as to your intentions. A lot of those Western sexual refugees in Southeast Asia run into surprise group dates. If you’re new, avoid. But after twenty notches you need to solve these issues rather than always running away. I hate that about the modern scene. The last time this happened to me, I banged… Read more »
Couldn’t find comment so posted it.
FR whoa so cool one this time. was only gonna go out for a bit, but ended up lasting well on to like 5 hours. good because it was an especially bad day for me heath wise. gonna dump out this real quick before I hit the sack so writings gonna be a bit rough. so firstly, got a call from one of the interview people. ends up I am the choice for him, but he’s got one more person to interview. but he says unless this person blows him out of the water he’s gonna pick me. go to… Read more »
whoa, real quick — the black girl outside with the lesbians — the one I chatted with real qhick and that lead to the nigger getting all pissy with me, this is NOT the same black chick as the one I was talking about cock knees with early, COMPLETELY different chick.
@Hank Quite an eventful night. I liked the first two sets with the first black and asian chick. Self amusing, physicality, sexualizing “big set of all black chicks. go and chat them up. not doing to well, but stick in there. go on to piercing girl. one black girl next to me starts to really like me. so I lean in, putting my arms on the end of her chair and the other girl next to me chair. I go into my story. they are starting to open up…like first they weren’t sure, but now they start jumping in and… Read more »
@Hank That turned into a 4chan story really quickly lol. I’m also going to assume your drunk because most of this shit makes no sense. lmao I’ma leave most of this alone cause people who don’t haven’t dealt with many altercations usually go into these rages. “I walk with her, some hesitation from her. I say I’ll join her. she says she still needs a drink. I say I’ll grab another one too. so I go off to grab a beer, she goes off somewhere.” Weird moment… don’t be weird. She was super uncomfortable here. ““You need to leave before… Read more »
@Hank ” my heath goes to shit, like all the symptoms pop up. so I am having trouble pushing through this. its like, what’s the point. I’ve been at this forever, I never see anything I like, I’m just gonna get more and more sick. really, really rough time for me.” Still confused about your health issues ,but if you never see anything you like (and I mean female wise) there’s either something wrong with you related to your neuroplasticity (in relation to what gets you aroused) or your gay. Honestly you prob just jack off too much (or have… Read more »
Hank Mersonia Hank Mers has it here… lmao I’ma leave most of this alone cause people who don’t haven’t dealt with many altercations usually go into these rages. Ex Post Facto rages because they know that when push came to shove the pussied out… so their self image is wrecked, but they can’t admit they pussied out. so they never grow. Yareallys supertalkpowahs will help you but can’t save you Can’t save you from a guy that swings on you, can’t save you from YOURSELF… from pussying out. Which is what a lot of these “de-escalations” are. up walks black… Read more »
but shits so bad that a scrawny white dude like me has more balls than white guys twice my size. Didn’t see this in your FR btw. Here is the thing Hank. You CAN change this. You just need to start acting. Then see how you feel… I’m not a coward, I’ve just never been tested. I’d like to think that if I was I would pass. Look at the tested, and think there but for the grace go I. Might be a coward, I’m afraid of what I might find out. I’ve never had to knock on wood, but… Read more »
Hank This kind of white knightery is common… COMMON. End up in a good mood. Just opening everything. Dominant. Cocky. Bit of an ass. Lol.. After some drinks out head back to the bar, instawing a chubby dude there… Run some game on a stripper girl in from vegas. Hot girl. But she wont bounce with me to another bar. Go there with instawing. As we are going in three hit chicks are leaving. I ask if the place is closed they say it’s all guys. I say fuck that, grab the hand of an 8 skinny black model type… Read more »
Any Friday night…. The Disputed Prisoner Évariste Vital Luminais c. 1840’s
@Hank: the black jerk was possibly racist that didn’t like a white guy having some success with black girls, but it is possible and even very likely it was completely non-racist and it was just regular WK – whereas you [Hank] are clearly being racist yourself, which is interesting considering your often mentioned preference for black girls. @Sentient (Hank read on if you want): I don’t go out a lot and I already had a WK experience (back in April or so). And I wasn’t even particularly opening girls at the time. The excuse was I was too old to… Read more »
IAS – well at least you stood up for yourself and pushed back. But, how did you feel when he put his hands on you? Did you feel violated? Submissive? Outraged? What?
How does what you feel inform your action?
would I really feel better if I escalated the thing until he takes a swing at me?
These are the questions that seek answers… You really wont know until you know…
[PS – physically reacting to a guy putting his hands on you is not “escalating” it is defending yourself…]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0uRfjJXWl4
This is the typical “bar fight” you run into…
@Everyone: I wasn’t going to post yet another one about e-mail saga, but every bit of advice helps me not pussy out. She replied to the previous e-mail (after we had set up the logistics). I’m not going to reply until after we meet regardless. This is the juicy bit, coming from me saying she should care less about what others think, she goes [I’m paraphrasing]… “I must though. For example, what we sometimes talk about, I dunno if your wife minds, but my bf would find it strange for me to be talking about such topics with someone I… Read more »
IAS Agree… and continue to escalate… lol “Yeah… well we’re just pen pals… Don’t get any ideas hot pants….” “Yeah… nothing is going to happen” “too bad we are both taken ;)” etc. And escalate hard in person… She is definitely thinking about 1) your dick and 2) the ramifications of that to her day to day life… You just want to put her in a place where it can just happen and that can’t happen over multi day logical email strings… Time to focus less on shit tests and more on your frame, leading and smoothly managing her ASD.… Read more »
@IAS
Despite her characterization of your relationship over e-mail somehow she has still agreed to meet you for a date? That’s curious …
Time to put the Platinum rule into full effect during this meet. Do what you want, when you want to, and calibrate to her response.
Judge her by her actions and not her words. She’s been honing her manipulation craft her entire life …
@Sentient: many times I don’t even like it when girls touch me, so I was pretty angry when the jerk did it. Funny FRs from back when I was BP… I’m at my sports, sitting down on the floor waiting. A cute girl (I think I had talked to her a bit already) is also waiting and comes down and sits right next to me, touching her thigh on my thigh. I flinch and shift sideways and she even goes “It’s fine we can touch” and I’m like “Ah ok” so I put my thigh back where it was. Hilarious.… Read more »
Sentient And CatchersIndifference Everyone Else Who Commented Thank you for the comments last week. I only managed to read all now. There is a lot to think about. Nothing has happened so far with the girl, she hasn’t messaged me or gone bunny boiler or anything. Situation normal, but I haven’t seen her since that night. It will be interesting to see how she acts around me at the next work social event next month. Sentient, your main points seems to be that since I slept in the same bed with her I may as well have fucked her since… Read more »
Marquis Sentient, your main points seems to be that since I slept in the same bed with her I may as well have fucked her since the practical consequences for me are the same, The main point was not about this particular girl, just the evo Bio/game aspect… You disrespect the wife by bringing another bird into your wife’s nest… and then you don’t even have the balls to fuck her… The later part she will feel repulsed by, not relieved by… and will probably never mention it. But that is the source of any true rage on her part.… Read more »
@ hank …. hope you were drunk while typing that fr. @ IAS and Sentient I went over this with YaReally and scray a long time ago. I didn’t understand Ya’s whole ” de-escalation ” thing at all, so he and scray mocked me by calling me a ” badass tough guy “… which befuddled the fuck out of me. I believe in not fucking with other men, and I expect the same treatment. I give men that I don’t know the benefit of the doubt – they might be having a bad night/week, or they are pissed off at… Read more »
@Blaximus: I don’t like being touched in general, but on the flipside I really enjoy hand holding/hugs with some people I like.
That flinching story is true and that is a good example.
One of the first things I worked on when I decided to actively practice game was getting used to touching and being touched by girls.
@all good god. your reaction to my FR reminds me of a time back in high school when I gave a speech on immigration reform for mexican immigrants. I noted that the immigrants are in a lot of danger when they travel over to america, so taking care of the environment isn’t a priority (understandably). so they leave trash, cut fences that livestock escape through, etc. And while most are good honest people, there are far too many rapists and criminals that escape via the border — a great many are repeat offenders that. keep. getting. away. but most of… Read more »
@ hank Just for the record, I’m not a big fan of that word. Not in the slightest. But I grew up in a much different time ( and place for that matter ). But I’m also not the captain of the ” word ” or ” thought ” police either. Every man has a right to think and say pretty much whatever he’d like. I have to hear that dumb word every.single.day…. from black ” kids ” and in hip hop music. It would be torture if I let it get to me, like some kind of cruel joke.… Read more »
I think the only point is Hank acted like a pussy and now wants to blame and rationalize and avoid reality.
Nothing new.
@blax sure. I’ll lay off. I was in a bad place when I wrote that FR. I think I explained my reasons well. I’ll lay off the n word though. I just don’t really understand the offense by **words**. Its more how you say it. I just called him a nigger because he acted like a shithead and gave black people a bad name, so I wanted to distinguish…most black people are very nice to me…which is why i tend to go for black chicks, because they tend to be nicer, more receptive, and more all around fun around me,… Read more »
@Hank “First of all your a man and should be able to handle yourself without someone to step in save you like your a princess or some shit. my expectation wasn’t “What, a dickhead’s being a dick? KILLLKILLLKILLL.” and then all the dudes jump him. its simply that when something like this starts up, a guys gonna walk over and help smooth things over. Why should anyone get up and try to help you with your “issue”. It’s your issue and your a grown man so you shouldn’t expect someone to come “smooth things over.” “This guy was waaaaaaaaay out… Read more »
@Hank
“@mersonia @blax @IAS @anyoneelsewhothinksihateblackpeople
No, when I say nigger, I’m not using it as a racial slur. I am using it in this context:
The whole racist thing…. Idc if your racist or gay or w/e . I’m 80% black and I don’t take take anything personal.
How you appear and how you think you appear aren’t always the same
Also using it on a text based forum its going to come off as racial slur ( because thats what it is) whether you meant it or not.
“How you appear and how you think you appear aren’t always the same”
well goddamn, something of value from mers, even bolded it for us
btw, does the the 80% mean you’re octaroon or double quadroon or something? I dunno, how does all that shit work?
@Hank: we can discuss your usage of specific words, but there is a vibe of underlying racist sentiment that would come across even if you used different words. And I think it would be good for you to understand that. You outright identify the jerk as “black dude”. Jerk could have sufficed, I’m not suggestion you stop using “black” as that is the kind of bullshit political correctness thing we don’t need. Further, up to here it actually may be relevant that he was black, because he may have been a racist and you were gaming black girls. Someone else… Read more »
LOL the pc is strong here
So I’ve been checking in on that subreddit @j posted a while ago. This popped up yesterday (link below). It’s basically a good bye to the “slut lifestyle” from one of the most active posters there. I think she’s removed all her posts, except for the farewell, but she was one of the most extreme posters there – n-count in multiple hundreds (if not 1000+), full on degradation all kinds of stuff. Fine..whatever gets her off (this is also the same girl who posted the LR I linked a while ago – about baiting a bouncer into raping her). Anyway,… Read more »
I am sure a few weeks of what the fuck in the desert will make her pure as the wind driven snow
^ Good lord what a mess! That women is a couple of rationalisations and a bad trip away from disappearing up her own back side in contradiction.
” . . . remember that I’m in a better place . . .”
Are we supposed to send flowers or something?
Out of curiosity I clicked on the link next to departed dearest’s handle
“self.stupidslutsclub”
That was a mistake.
Yes, I’m sure the fucked up stories in self-stupid-sluts-club are legion.
On this question are actually answered many times.
Watch out and do not flood
right here is the web page link http://termwriting.com/write-my-original-acid-rain-research-paper/
FR A friend of mine and I were at the pool recently (same pool I met the girl I’m dating) and heading around to grab our stuff to leave. Off to the right I hear my name and it’s the girl I’m dating that’s calling me towards her and a group she’s with. First glance, it’s her and three other people so my friend and I head over to them to greet them. My girl introduces us to everyone and two of them are a couple and the other is a male friend who I immediately pick up the “orbiter”… Read more »
@Catchers
Just a small shit test to see how you’d react which you passed beautifully. Good job dude you’re doing great.
Catchers
I dont even thi k it was much of a shit test. Dude probably loves to tag along.
Don’t pay him any mind lest he enters the frame…