For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
Update on DT Girl… Was out with my mid 20’s daughter. Solid 7.x. Having a drink and a snack. DT girl comes in the front of the restaurant with her 5 or 6 YO daughter and a late 40s/early 50s dude. Think this is her ex. she is waiting at the hostess stand and sees me and gives the slow “do you see me I see you wave”, so I wave and nod to her. As she walks by she says hello and I say hello to her and the guy. They walk on and they get seated a few… Read more »
“And the implications of this thinking are what?”
??? There’s a lot of implications.
I’m guessing that you think that there is some sort of negative implication. Why don’t you tell me what you think that negative implication is and I’ll logically refute it as much as I can.
I asked you first.
But in the meantime… when they said “Ou la mort” they were not fucking around…
“I asked you first.”
Oh shit. I think I just got AMOG’d.
Jesus Christ @Andy, more gay “muh self-esteem is purer than yours” faggotry lol. Do you know how fucking arrogant and ridiculous you sound claiming “enlightenment” and how to achieve it? Lets break all of this down lol: “Pride is negative and is a hindrance to further growth. ” literally no scientific evidence to even suggest this is true. Muhammad Ali had a lot of pride, and he became a very successful boxer largely due to it. There ya go. Your theory refuted. “… but if you’re basing your self-worth on external achievements it is a substitute for healthy self-esteem” okay.… Read more »
Having achieved enlightenment and experienced the pure boredom of it all,I made the decision to rapidly return to the human condition.
@safespace “literally no scientific evidence to even suggest this is true. Muhammad Ali had a lot of pride, and he became a very successful boxer largely due to it. There ya go. Your theory refuted.” You can achieve things with will and pride, but you won’t ultimately be happy. I guess that’s another realization you have to have… That external shit won’t result in long-term happiness. Name any external achievement, and I’ll be able to name someone that was miserable anyway. “Also “who you actually are deep in your soul” is who you actually are physically – like literally, you’re… Read more »
It depends on how ” enlightenment ” is defined. What passes for Spiritual Enlightenment nowadays iis chock full of batty equalist banter and softening agents. I’m not against a man searching for knowledge and understanding, it’s just that a man is better served by fully understanding himself first without equating himself with others. If not, all you wind up doing is trying to find out how you ” fit ” into the prevailing culture and society, and we all know what the prevailing society we inhabit says about males. Men need toughening, not touchy feely softening. Your environment demands iit.… Read more »
“I’m not against a man searching for knowledge and understanding, it’s just that a man is better served by fully understanding himself first without equating himself with others.”
There are different levels of enlightenment. Or “consciousness.” Full enlightenment is when you completely lose your sense of individuality. Just below that would be pretty close to what you said. Being who you actually are and fully integrating your “ego” into your true self. Also coincides with long lasting happiness.
@Andy, Andy, Andy It also depends on how ” pride ” is defined. I wanted to stay out of this, cause, like I like you and don’t want to be oppositional. It’s pretty obvious that pride can go either way. Merely by its wikipedia definition: Pride is an inwardly directed emotion that carries two antithetical meanings. With a negative connotation pride refers to a foolishly and irrationally corrupt sense of one’s personal value, status or accomplishments, used synonymously with hubris. With a positive connotation, pride refers to a humble and content sense of attachment toward one’s own or another’s choices… Read more »
“It’s pretty obvious that pride can go either way. Merely by its wikipedia definition:”
It’s slightly nuanced because you can be happy to achieve a goal. I wouldn’t call that pride. The thread of “now I have worth”, or achievement for the sake of worth is pride. Semantics. You get the point.
“I get where you are coming from though. I used to think exactly the same way.” sorry bud. the frame i’m coming from is “is there any scientific evidence for it” looks to me like i’ve bought into a faux-religion, especially when you say stuff like this: “There are different levels of enlightenment. Or “consciousness.” Full enlightenment is when you completely lose your sense of individuality. Just below that would be pretty close to what you said. Being who you actually are and fully integrating your “ego” into your true self. Also coincides with long lasting happiness.” You’ve bought into… Read more »
but hey, if what you believe makes you cool with yourself, I saw why not lollolol
“if what you believe makes you cool with yourself, I say why not ”
Because one day you may need to raise a son… and he is going to be awfully confused and then pissed when reality greets him as it inevitably will…
@safespace
“sorry bud. the frame i’m coming from is “is there any scientific evidence for it””
I agree with this take on the current state of “science” right now.
https://theqlue.wordpress.com/2016/11/09/science-is-the-new-religion/
Anyway, this stuff is directly experience-able. Read the book. You’d like it. It’s very anti fru-fru.
“Having achieved enlightenment and experienced the pure boredom of it all,I made the decision to rapidly return to the human condition.”
This man is nearly a Bodhisattva.
CSP
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CSP
http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1Okl
http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1Opl
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQSYxB6rasY
LOL… her face at 3:51…
@sentient – I’ve seen that vid before. I love that girl! US girls are awesome! @blackpill – Yeah, you seem similar to be in that respect regarding humour and it being hard to ‘force’ out of nowhere which is why when Tyler sayst things lke ”Just say something and make her laugh” I get frustrated! You’re also right in that it definitely just comes more naturally when you’re relaxed which I guess i’m not….especially when the girl is just looking at me and blinking and not really trying to respond 🙂 I think it’s why I tend to do fairly… Read more »
@Sentient vid girl not my type…bony with a long nose…I’ve seen some lovely Czech girls…Richard seems gay I need some comfort before I would want to kiss a girl. She has to prove to me that she is likeable. watched another of Richard’s vids…dude walks up to girls at night on the street and starts telling them how good looking they are and they want to kiss him in 15 secs…gotta be a setup…maybe they are wasted?…not normal behavior Have you ever kissed a girl in under a minute under those conditions? 5 minutes, sure, even in the middle of… Read more »
Couple of questions: 1/I’m reading MM at the moment, and ‘qualification’ is coming up a lot. Making the girl think you like her for reasons other than the fact that she’s hot ; Ask he a question during A3, tell her you like her answer so that later she assume that this is why you want to bang her. So how necessary is it? I saw a Max RSD infield ealier (devil handjob for anyone who has the natural) but I couldn’t spot anything in the way of ‘qualification’? Almost the only question he asks about her is what she… Read more »
“Have you ever kissed a girl in under a minute . . .”
No.
“I need some comfort before I would want to kiss a girl.”
Kissing is not sex. Kissing is relationship.
“. . . I couldn’t spot anything in the way of ‘qualification’? Almost the only question he asks . . .”
Qualifying for sex is not a job application.
ASDGamer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGOfWyvI7Yk This is the video you refer to. ” they want to kiss him in 15 secs…gotta be a setup…maybe they are wasted?…not normal behavior” Nah… he opens strong, gets a strong IOI on the hat [probably also on his approach which you can’t see], gets strong compliance to his hands on her head and his closing space up against her, then he just plows a bit. Once she gets going he pulls away first and then qualify her with the 7/10 bit to amp up her attraction. On 5-7 girls at night, who are out partying? Not a… Read more »
@Sentient
I didn’t choke on pulling…we were making out in the pool and she suggested her apt. which was seconds from the pool–maybe 15 min after I met her…she pulled me, lol…but I didn’t want to close her so I deliberately failed her shit test in the apt.–just wanted to instill some dread in the future Mrs. Gamer.
yeah that night i fucked up bigly when it came to the pull, but it was a good reference experience, and after thinking about it and “replaying” what I could have and should have done in my head, i feel pretty confident in myself and I think tonight will be really good. That night was actually the first night ever that I tried caressing the girls hand and pulling her in by the waist from a cold approach, and it surprisingly worked really well and I felt like a boss too lol. Even thinking about the fact that I did… Read more »
Asd – wasn’t referring to your college experience… was to Safe. Safespace “That night was actually the first night ever that I tried caressing the girls hand and pulling her in by the waist from a cold approach, and it surprisingly worked really well and I felt like a boss too lol. Even thinking about the fact that I did that makes my dick kinda hard lol.” Yes, do THIS until you learn MM. [ahem… Culum?] “But ya know, from now on I think i’m going to try to pull every girl I hit on.” Yes – no stair stepping…… Read more »
@Sentient But the takeaway is valid… if you have strong attraction PUSH it. Yeah, if don’t mind tasting some other man’s cum, just kiss random girls, lol. I have to see a girl drinking a few ounces of wine before I will kiss her. That requires different game than just pushing it. You have to build a little trust to get her to go out to your vehicle. @cav I’ve seen friends pull girls into bathrooms in clubs before where they’ve barely spoke – so again, no qualification. If a man is very high status, that can happen. Did the… Read more »
Qualifying a girl can be used as a technique to display higher value in order to get a girl to fuck you, but that’s not what it’s for.
Okay dudes versed in PUA ( that’s definitely not my forte…), I think that cav has qualifying/qualification wrong. What say you all? ” /I’m reading MM at the moment, and ‘qualification’ is coming up a lot. Making the girl think you like her for reasons other than the fact that she’s hot ; Ask he a question during A3, tell her you like her answer so that later she assume that this is why you want to bang her.”. @ cav: Qualifying: The act of getting the girl to qualify herself to you, instead of the other way around. Putting… Read more »
lol…. fucked up the bold.
Went in to buy worms and pick up a 2017 hunting brochure,the gal behind the counter told me she likes to gut fish and elk,also likes camping etc.I felt my value go up as she qualified herself without being prompted.
She made my morning,till the fish started biting ravenously like a need to escape the lake,that made my whole day till i had to gut my fish because I left her at the store,since I am married to a woman that doesn’t hike or gut fish.
This is the problem that happens from not learning to qualify before hand.
“It’s not so much about randomly asking questions per se, but getting her to prove something of/about herself to you . . .”
In other words, whether she, ya know, qualifies or not. Go figure.
Re kissing chicks. Years ago I went on a kissing rip. It lasted only a few years. I would chat up a chick a bit, and go in for the smooch. It is surprising how many girls will actually give up the lips. I got smacked a few times. I even had girls kiss me, and then say ” Don’t do that…”. But I started thinking…. Like ASD says, you kinda don’t know what a girls been doing. Could be risky swapping spit with randoms. The married chick I was boning once upon a time, kept my penis in her… Read more »
Qualification is having her invest in and earn the reward of your attention. It is also a DHV.
ASD
“I have to see a girl drinking a few ounces of wine before I will kiss her. That requires different game”
A different kind indeed…
But I think the guys at girlschase seem to know what i’m on about. They say: ”If you’re just starting out with women, of course, most of those “standards” are arbitrary standards you’re putting up for the sake of seeming like you’re being picky!” That’s kind of what i’m saying. I mean, I don’t care about anything other than how she looks. I obviously still want to have sex with her! That’s just the truth. But she can’t know that. So in a way, i DO have to ask random questions and pretend that her answers are the reasons I… Read more »
@ cav
I rarely post vids…. But when I do, they are vids.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_xH8keR–o&w=1280&h=720%5D
Just always be aware and keep in mind, there won’t always be a video to explain the nuances and ” in’s and out’s “.
One must understand what it is he’s doing, and why it works or doesn’t.
Cav
Tell her you have a friend that is looking for a 8+ that will sleep in the garage and grind slag on demand.
@ cav
The guy that gets chicks qualifying to him is gonna pull more than the guy that just makes her think he’s into them.
“Qualification is having her invest in and earn the reward of your attention.
PUA techniques are, by their very nature, “inverted” to the girl’s perspective. From yours it is the process of discovery by which you decide whether or not she is a girl you will stick your dick in.
It is a DHV as a corollary to that. You have taken the frame of being the “chooser.” More to the point, the “rejecter.”
@Cav: ” I mean, I don’t care about anything other than how she looks. I obviously still want to have sex with her!”
There’s yer problem right there.
@ Rollo Not sure if this is the right place for this but here goes. Met my redpill business partner tonight in a bar to discuss a deal we have going. He looked white when I saw him, 5 mins before I arrived he had a call to say one of his friends had been found hanged ( I don’t know the guy). My first question was “over a woman? ” . It was! My friend showed me a pic of the guy thinking I might recognise him as he lives close to me, I didn’t but the guy looked… Read more »
@Playdontpay, sad to read this.
I think it’s interesting that our first presumptions go to our Red Pill Lens and are confirmed with such predictable regularity.
Now the real learning will be in seeing your/his Blue Pill friends rationalizing away the real, FI causes of his suicide and replacing them with ideas of his being a case of psych problems. They will become apologists for the FI and make him a ‘special case’ rather than the common rule for BP Beta men.
@playdontplay
My friend showed me a pic of the guy thinking I might recognise him as he lives close to me, I didn’t but the guy looked big in shape and handsome. He was 31.
remember, looks uber alles
lol
CSP
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@Rugby11 What the hell. I just clicked on the first of your last CSP links. And was not too amused. We get the idea. People have sex. But what is your end game here? It’s not a thing to have links to the casual sex project in groups of three (threesomes) actually be relevant. Once you’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all. It is not relevant to red pill, it is a manifestation of game practice that there are sexual beings out and about among us and you want your sexual agency to be a thing. Reminding us that someone… Read more »
@ Rollo A few more details have come to light, apparently he cheated on his Ltr with a girl from the club, his Ltr found out, kicked him to the kerb and wouldn’t take him back. So it seems he did love/have Oneitis for his Ltr but it didn’t stop him cheating ( because duh he’s a man and has easy access to hot drunk girls). Probably thought he’d get away with it or that his Ltr would forgive him anyway? Don’t see the FI needing to spin this as it’s an easy win for them as is. He leaves… Read more »
@Playdontpay
https://therationalmale.com/2016/11/04/blue-pill-alphas/
Hank Playdon’tpay Hank – it’s pretty cunty of you to be loll’ing over a guy’s suicide… as the resident virgin, never kissed a girl, with some health induced “hygienic” issues – you might want to drop the Second Article of Faith – Looks Don’t Matter and wake up… Looks do matter… often a less good looking guy can overcome them. That is not equivalent to looks don’t matter… Looks are an advantage until they are a disadvantage via his actions. And there is a threshold on the down side below which you cannot succeed in the real world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0RruLmvsTI Play… Read more »
SJF
Moving forward
“Open your heart as a man to let other red pill men help you if you need help. Ask and you shall recieve. Don’t close down and don’t fail to gain traction in what you need to accomplish.
You’ve given some of your back-story. Start up your forward story.”
Your right. Got a lot going an this weekend Dance rugby and some meditation…
@rugby11 SJF
Your right. Got a lot going an this weekend Dance rugby and some meditation…
GREAT!… post a FR…
good luck!
Retrospective after two plus weeks of this Blitz, just completed a couple days ago: -First blitz with zero online dating – finally got rid of that crutch (I still have an FWB I met through online and I had one date from an old number – but no apps, no online dating this time for the first time in..hmm..4 years I think) -Managed to get another number first night out and had enough good nights to make huge progress on the “closing” issue. Sometimes (like at the singles event) I didn’t even want to close..other times there were logistics issues,… Read more »
“-Biggest issue is I need to hit state and learn to operate and approach ALONE.” Apply an element of game to every interaction you have with women. For the feelz. Leave them all feeling that their day was better because it had you in it. Even the 60 year old, 200 pounder who checks out your groceries. “I *am* pushing my boundaries and I am improving . . .” Your potential to do this is the most important part of your potential. Everything else will come from that and the man who travels the farthest isn’t the one walks the… Read more »
Thursday Night FR: Started out at around 8:15PM. Went to Bar A and I got really nervous when this uber-hottie stood by me to get a drink. I didn’t say a fucking thing lol. A big reason for this was because I didn’t want to “ruin” the possibility of a future, more opportune approach since I see this girl pretty often downtown. So I fucked that up. But then after this I fucked up several other opportunities. However, there really weren’t too many opportunities out there tonight. Most of the opportunities that were available were pretty tough sets, so I… Read more »
Although, come to think of it, a big plus this week was discovering a new bar a few miles away that’s pretty popular on Tuesdays for some weird reason, so I guess from here on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays i’ll be out sarging lol. 4 solid nights out will do me good and keep my head in the game lol.
Though my personal goal is once i move into the big city after graduation, I intend on sarging 5 to 7 nights a week lol. Boy that’ll be some crazy shit lollolol.
@Culum I also think I need to get more into day game – particularly direct openers (also more direct openers in night game). Now these are high-risk and as YaReally used to say, particularly for older guys (whose value may not be obvious in looks and who are not what a 21 year old girl is socialised to believe she wants) it may be better to go in indirect (which is not the same as asexual) and build some value before hitting on her. class assignment – tell me which part of this is the FI pushing on you… and… Read more »
@safespaceplaypen
“I probably should have isolated her some where else, I just couldn’t think of what to say to get her somewhere else in the bar”
After she says something, say “WHAT?
(Misinterpret what she said as something sexual to raise her BT). Let her repeat herself. Then go “ohh I can barely hear you here (even if you can hear her perfectly fine lol). Take her hand, “here let’s go over there”. Lead.
@ kfg
…. and everyone else learning Game –
” Apply an element of game to every interaction you have with women. For the feelz. Leave them all feeling that their day was better because it had you in it. Even the 60 year old, 200 pounder who checks out your groceries.”
Yes, yes, yes, yes…and more YES!!!!!!!!
@Rollo @playdontpay First of all, this is why sites like TRM matter. Sometimes the best thing one can do is get forcefully in some man’s face and say flat out that self-harm does nothing good. Sigh. Another one gone. Again. Rollo Now the real learning will be in seeing your/his Blue Pill friends rationalizing away the real, FI causes of his suicide and replacing them with ideas of his being a case of psych problems. They will become apologists for the FI and make him a ‘special case’ rather than the common rule for BP Beta men. Unfortunate but true.… Read more »
@Anon, this was one of the toughest parts of my brother-in-law’s (wife’s sister’s 1st husband) suicide for me to wrap my head around. It was in 2003 and while I was certainly Red Pill enlightened then, there were still many things I was just coming to terms with in using my Red Pill Lens then. When he’d hung himself everyone who was close to him, wife, kids, family, extended family, all threw out as much rationalizations as necessary to absolve themselves from acknowledging the real reason he’d killed himself. It was all about him having psych problems even though he’d… Read more »
kfg ” Apply an element of game to every interaction you have with women. Blax YES! Tailgating on this for any lurkers: Play with them. Play WITH them. The cute bank teller whom you game one week, sees you across the lobby and just has to stretch with her hands behind her head, accidentally pushing her bust out – go play WITH her, verbally, with eye contact. She’s 20 something and you aren’t? So what, it’s just social interaction, and more neural pathway deepening as you teach yourself how to tease 20-somethings. You put yourself into a better frame of… Read more »
Culum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GBx4HJKU7s
” treat going out like a scheduled work meeting and get out by 5-6pm and burn it down till closing time ”
welcome to the grind aka Doing the Hard Work.
A month of game “like a job” and you will have more experience than a year of half stepping around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84cVizR6sPQ
Then you will feel like Arnold… “The feeling I’m cumming day and night!”
Safespaceplaypen it seemed like i had already passed the “attraction” phase, if you will – but something was missing. She kept insisting that I get her friend a drink. I did not agree to this. She started to get a little stiff. I thought attraction was already there so I tried building more comfort/rapport by asking some basic questions. First the “attraction phase” is not binary, set it and forget it. Attraction is fluid. So what about this FR here makes you think you “passed” or had attraction? The something missing? The continual testing on her part? What? Go back… Read more »
@Sentient – Heh, it’ll be like when I started a business in college and then ran it after graduation for a couple of years before selling it. Finish Job 1, have dinner, start second job on the laptop, go for 8 hours, collapse into bed for a few hours, wake up and repeat. Of course I’m 37 now, not 22.. @HABD – let’s see hmm. That bit you quoted is my summary of something YaReally said. The FI pushing on me would be the idea that an older man is less attractive to women and needs to “build value” first?… Read more »
@Culum
nope…
I know you understand that stuff…
the FI is cunning and PERVASIVE…
what is your actual ‘risk’?… and why would you think it being high is bad for you?…
and whose frame are you in?…
good luck!
Older guy younger girl thing. I’m experiencing this for the first time in my life. She’s a 19yo black university student I’m 58 fit white year. It’s a sugar-baby thing. I know, not healthy but I thought I’d spoil myself for once. I kinda had it with dating women in my age group. I like them thin and dark and she’s just what I need in my life right now. Anyways, when we talk before and after sex there is absolutely no concern about the 30 year age gap. Maybe she’s acting but it looks to me like she’s got… Read more »
Rollo
Its strange how suicide is a response to some extent over exporting a high level of control over your environment that’s isn’t controllable. About expressing truth that isn’t flattering yet demands to be spoken or written. I’ve dealt with this past yr 5 times and I’ve not come to a full conclusion about anything. But I have learned that letting go is a way to joy and reverence in the face of all of are eventual deaths.
@Disgruntled “I know, not healthy but I thought I’d spoil myself for once.” FI pushing on you… bc it is healthy… see the rest of your FR… “I kinda had it with dating women in my age group.” RP has that effect…lol “The problem is as older men, how do we put ourselves in situations to meet and talk to these younger, mostly unspoiled, beauties? ” cold approach…lol “I understand Culum’s angle on the need to be indirect.” only overtly… your subcomms can (and should) tell her you are a walking hard on… lol ” It would be great to… Read more »
Disgruntled….
Two words. Adjunct Professor.
O/T. I watched the RSD vid linked to in the deleted YaReally comment mentioned earlier in this thread. He comes across as a boa-wearing tier gay, his whole bearing, voice, everything is very feminine. Women do react well to him in that video, but I have seen guys like that try their luck here and bomb. It brought something home to me though. Sexual markets probably vary a lot by country. If that guy went out here he’d be insta-perma-friendzoned, ignored or more likely have his face smashed in. Walk up to a high T guy in a club here… Read more »
Two words. Adjunct Professor.
Hehe yeah thought of that. Bsci in comp sci with 30years experience isn’t enough these days. They seem to want education degrees/ Need to look into that more
FI pushing on you… if you feel (know) it’s normal ( it is…), that’s what girls feel…
I think I’m mostly over that. My oldest daughter is 21. Banging the 19yo gives me no guilt at all. I just need to be more social and in the right environments
Here is a somewhat generic FR, solo in a young night club setting abroad. It is similar to my previous one a few months ago, although the previous one went better I think. I don’t go to this setting frequently but I try to go every time I have an opportunity because there are a lot of targets to practice on, and no one knows me. But I think I do much better in quieter environments where eye contact is easier to establish/maintain and where I can talk and be understood. On the other hand, it seems to be much… Read more »
Ok now for the actual particulars of this time. I get there early (free entry before time X, I feel bad about spending money to meet girls so I don’t go if I have to pay for it). Mostly empty but there is a large mixed group. I open one of the guys in the periphery, ask if he speaks English, say I was there one week for work and now came to meet some locals. Opens reasonably so I hang around the dude for some minutes, then seat down next to some other 2 dudes. The large group then… Read more »
FR: Went out last night, from 9:30PM to 1:00AM. Like pretty much every night I was solo. Unfortunately I didn’t make a single approach. I wasn’t feeling too stressed out or anything, so anxiety and nervousness didn’t seem like an issue. I did end up talking to a few frat bros and other guys while out. But i just couldn’t get my head to make an approach. Honestly, I think a big reason was (and this pretty retarded lolol and contradictory towards what I originally thought would help me) because I was too focused on getting laid, thus every possible… Read more »
@safespaceplaypen “In essence, I noticed when my goal is to get laid that night, i’m more persistent and dominant in the sets i approach, but it comes with the downside of rationalizing my way out of sets that don’t seem to have a high probability of success as well as a higher degree of AA and nervousness. I also noticed when my goal is to get short interactions, I become more sociable and talk to a lot more girls, but i lose that “killer instinct” persistent edge that makes a set going to the kiss/close more likely. <=== there's a… Read more »
@Safespace Page 39 of Mystery Method: Process over Outcome A venusian artist goes into the field night after night primarily to improve his calibration and to internalize his skill-set. He’s not trying to ‘get this one girl,’ or to ‘get laid tonight.’ Rather, he’s practicing with the long-term goal of having a powerful social skill-set You cannot allow the outcome of any given approach to carry much significance. It’s like playing a video game: if your man dies, just hit the button and play again. If the outcome of any specific approach becomes important to you, it’ll have subtle, insidious… Read more »
The last time I wandered over to Field Reports there were only 119 comments. It seemed to have been setup with YaReally in mind, but he went away mad. So, I’m looking for positive masculine material to turn into mp3 files. I guess the better weather has kept the volume down and I have been re-listening to some of the old essays and commentary which is still great. But, now I see that there are 1,750 comments in field reports. That should keep me going for several weeks. Since Field Reports is full of content, I see that this is… Read more »
No proper FR from me this week unfortunately. Was busy plus most of my friends were staying indoors, but I ended up popping out just for an hour or so too a bar to try to get a few approaches in. Got off to such a bad start. There were this group of youngish girls heading towards me, and I could have sworn I heard one or 2 of them say they were trying to find the bathroom. They were looking around. I tapped the one nearest to me on the shoulder and said ”Are you lost?” She looked me… Read more »
@HABD: OHHH….I get it. Now. I still need to internalize it, but I get it. It’s so pervasive it slips right past even on an RP blog in an FR I literally posted about improving myself and become more RP. And it still slipped past till you called it out. Like that line from the Matrix – “there is no risk” just like there is no spoon – provided I come at it from the right frame of mind. @Disgruntled Earthling – dude, been there done that with the sugar baby thing. I never paid (drinks yes, dinners post bang,… Read more »
@Culum, Hank: I think you guys are the only ones actually clubbing, so any input on my foreign night club sticking points (no need to read the long particulars if you don’t want to) is welcome. @Sentient: the hotels you stay at must be different from the ones I stay at. The hotel bar is practically non-existent and was pretty much empty yesterday night and now (I can see it from my room actually). On the other hand, there was a girl alone on breakfast which I probably should have sat next to. I passed her on the buffet and… Read more »
@Culum
“@HABD: OHHH….I get it. Now.”
good!… buuuut still not quite there…lol
“… provided I come at it from the right frame of mind.”
there is NO frame of mind that will create any actual ‘risk’… that’s just the FI pushing on you … again…
the FI is cunning and PERVASIVE…
good luck!
@HABD: in the particulars of my recent FR, a drunk dude actually wanted to eject me from the night club (or just start a fight?) because he noticed I was generally older than the others around age. I wasn’t doing good game like the RSD guys do. So I would say arguably there is some small risk in doing direct openers on younger girls, but it comes from other guys (not the girls in principle).
I tapped the one nearest to me on the shoulder and said ”Are you lost?” She looked me up and down, gave me a kind of disgusted look and turned away from me! It made me feel like shit, lol. I wasn’t even trying to pick her up! Was just trying to be helpful, but I guess she thought I was coming on too her or something. Made it worse that she was a chubby 6 at best but thought she was Paris Hilton. Laugh it off. Literally laugh stuff like that off. Not in a butthurt way, but in… Read more »
There were 2 hot girls at the bar next to me when I was ordering a beer and I wanted to open them, but my confidence was too low. One had on a black coat that looked like it was made out of fucking Gorilla or something and might have made an easy opener, but I bottled it. I imagined her being offended and thinking I was weird or something, I guess
Rein in your imagination when it tells you ghost stories like that. Imagine her being interested and happy with your attention, instead.
“Who have you ever allowed directly into your true self without the protection of your mental buffer? Nobody, not even yourself.”
Great convo at a dance
“I imagined her being offended and thinking I was weird or something . . .”
Oh Noes! Anything but that. I’d have to kill myself or something if some strange bint in a gorilla suit with a bunch of guys who are really tired of her shit thought I was weird or something.
“Who have you ever allowed directly into your true self without the protection of your mental buffer?”
The first nice day of spring fell on a Sunday, so the bike path was pretty high traffic.
Take three deep breaths. Then relax. Why do the latest comments in this thread remind me of some cool The Smiths songs? On a day I couldn’t be bothered to wear sunscreen, out for three hours snipping some pussy willow catkins that actually started flowering (should have done it last week…) and had hundreds of tiny bees buzzing around their pollen as I pollarded them (the Salix caprea). I am the son And the heir Of a shyness that is criminally vulgar I am the son and heir Of nothing in particular You shut your mouth How can you say… Read more »
One of my fave songs. Describes me to a tee when I was younger
I read No More Mr. Nice Guy recently. Didn’t really think it applied to me now but yeah, it would have been useful 30 years ago. The problem now is the remnants of a personality that is foreign to me. It lingers on longer than I want. Just some of those things you got to work through.
Criminally vulgar. Haunting and Anti-Red Pill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnpILIIo9ek I prefer Fascination Street by The Cure: In an interview with Select magazine, vocalist and primary songwriter Robert Smith said: “I was thinking of Bourbon Street in New Orleans when I wrote it – I was getting ready to go there and I thought: what the f–k do I think I’m going to find ? It’s about the incredulity that I could still be fooled into looking for a perfect moment.” Still haunting, but doing and being–a Balance. Be fascinated by Game, my friends. So just pull on your face Just pull on… Read more »
“I read No More Mr. Nice Guy recently. Didn’t really think it applied to me now but yeah, it would have been useful 30 years ago.” I actually didn’t get the memos that guys like Blaximus got from uncles and grandfathers. But I’m more surprised that from all I read from The Red Pill sidebar and the MRP sidebar, that I actually had enough intuition to intuit that stuff. (INTJs are brilliant and confident in bodies of knowledge they have taken the time to understand, but unfortunately the social contract is unlikely to be one of those subjects. White lies… Read more »
@pitbikemike Re the chubster. Think of the world from her perspective. She gets lots of approaches because she is a low hanging fruit that will get approached often by nervouis guys who’ve gotten the courage to approach but not the courage to approach higher SMV women. Your approach, in isolation, is a subcomm that she is low value, especially if she’s the fug of the group (and if she is, she knows it). Your approach suggests that you go after low hanging fruit, so to her you’re telling her you are both low value. So your interaction basically says ‘hi,… Read more »
@Black Pill: I’m confused. I thought from MM that you should open a set and give attention first to the ones that aren’t your target (men, less attractive girls).
@HABD..hmm. I wonder if I’m getting too pedantic about this, but clearly there IS a mindset which will view being rejected by some random chick as a “risk” – the FI mindset/where (to use your words) my MPO is in the girl (and places value on her rejection) and not in myself. The point of so much of this process is to keep moving away from that. But the mindset exists, and most men are in it. Or am I reading too much into what you’re saying? Or wait..thinking about it some more, are you saying there is *objectively* no… Read more »
IAS For possible future situations, if a girl is blatantly excluding the world (going to the far corner sitting facing the wall), should I just go there and sit anyway? I’m guessing Sentient would. Girls put up beta blockers… books, phones, how they sit etc. Now I wouldn’t run down there with my plate as a matter of habit, because scarcity mindset… but for growing yes do it. My thought process would be “hmmmm why would she isolate herself like this…?” Either she is smoking hot – which case it’s a beta blocker move OR she doesn’t trust herself and… Read more »
IAS @Sentient: the hotels you stay at must be different from the ones I stay at. The hotel bar is practically non-existent and was pretty much empty yesterday night and now Yes they are. I usually stay at 4 star places, Ritz Carltons, Four Seasons, equivalent boutique hotels etc. but mid level business travel places are good too – the bigger Marriotts, Sheratons, Westins etc. in CBDs. I don’t spend time in any economy hotels or tourist hotels. You can find out pretty quickly if they have a good bar scene – Think the W Hotel on Lexington in NYC,… Read more »
@Culum I’d be curious to see the commentary on the guy’s effeminacy, he broke my gaydar. But maybe that’s the way people in LA speak and dress. I dunno. As for the rest I believe he makes it work for him, would be keen to see him in action outside of a shitlib metropolis, say in a bar somewhere in Appalachia.
@Black Pill – the link I mentioned was more about YaReally on violence – but he has written about the issue you’re talking about too. If you search his archive for “Russell Brand” – who is a straight guy with a similarly campy vibe, but bangs lots of chicks – you’ll see plenty of stuff about why that works. For eg, this post from the archive, (first post when I searched for Russell Brand): “Russell Brand said in an interview that when he’s around “manly men” types he actually goes MORE camp and fruity gay on them. He takes himself… Read more »
“Marriotts, Sheratons, Westins etc. in CBDs.”
Contemporary hotels, boutique hotels have a edgy youthful vibe, offer travelers a unique, relaxed social experience. Christ, I sound like a hotel corporate PR rep.
Anyways, I’ve found patrons especially uninhibited here. Late twenties, thirties looking for convos mostly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boutique_hotel
IAS
She keeps coming back to “i cant believe you just came over and sat down” now getting ddb eyes… The last time she says that i say “yeah. I came in like a wrecking ball” and shes going omg you know Miley Cyrus… I tell her i wont stick my tongue out… But might twerk up on her…
https://therationalmale.com/2016/11/11/deep-conversion/#comment-178176
Example of morning breakfast “wrecking ball” game… You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.