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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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theasdgamer
6 months ago

Lol @Blax ‘s denial of game. Game applies wherever you have two or more people, in every sphere of life. But go back to watching Rachel Maddow…btw, her game is a little interesting…she does The Tease ™…she “knows” more than you, her listener, do…and she teases you with her “knowledge”…(which turns out to be bullsh*t, lol)…

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

As usual, you don’t have a clue what you’re saying.

Out.

Elvikingo
Elvikingo
6 months ago

New commenter here….getting into RP. I am/was a classic married beta, trying go more alpha. For LTR’s there seems to be a lot of discussion on how to get more sex or get her into my frame. I am making some progress on this. I could add a lot of detail here, but here’s the bottom line: What if after going more alpha and setting frame, the husband is the one who is not interested. After so many years of wife nagging and fighting and husband sacrificing, he just doesn’t care anymore? Then what? Divorce rape and child support does… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Elvikingo

What country are you in?

“I don’t see too many good options.”

“Burden” comes in many forms…

Elvikingo
Elvikingo
6 months ago

Sentient

I am in good ol USA. Why? Not sure what you mean.

redlight
redlight
6 months ago

@Elvikingo

Follow the 12 levels of dread. When you reach dread 11 things will resolve themselves.

theasdgamer
6 months ago

Blax, we should all be as smart as you are…believing in global warming…lol

Elvikingo
Elvikingo
6 months ago

@redlight Thanks. Tbh, I am probably on level 2-3 of dread game already. I started going to the gym a few years ago. I have a business I run. I dress well. I’m 40 but look younger. My hobby is guitar, although this has been a HUGE point of contention. I read Rollo’s post about selling his guitars and I really felt the pain. I gave that up as well “for her” years ago, and I cannot express to you the pain it has caused me. This past year, I laid down the law on this….I am going to play… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Elv8nkingo Checking you aren’t in Africa or the thirld world… “Burden” means because tou have a dick and balls you have to work for whatever you want. Those plates dont spin themselves. Often a guy trades one kind of burden for another, and decieves himself he no longer has to do any “work”. ” What if after going more alpha and setting frame, the husband is the one who is not interested. ” Have you done this? Have you set the frame? Is this something you are actually experiencing or is tgis some kind of Bullshit fear/buffer? ” I started… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 months ago

For you lurkers, I’ll unpack my previous comment. I’m sure that Blax got my point. If you claim to know game, you had better have good game skills. This includes seeing through people who are attempting to game you. Defensive game. The global warming/climate change game is about using scare tactics and scienz!!!! to persuade people to cede economic power to the left via a carbon tax and all sort of cumplianz bullsht. If you look at the research behind the game, you find that things are far from settled. We aren’t sure if there is any long term climate… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 months ago

Elvikingo This past year, I laid down the law on this….I am going to play my guitar. period. I don’t care if you don’t approve…etc. As I run more dread, she has been fighting hard against it. This is typical. You were betaized, and therefore predictable, she had you “all figured out”. Now you’ve started to kill the Beta by returning to previous habits / persona. That is a threat to her hindbrain, because you’re not as easy to control. She’s going to run her full suite of behaviors in order to get you back in the corral. It’s not… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 months ago

@Elvikingo you’re getting good advice… New commenter here….getting into RP. welcome!… I am/was a classic married beta, trying go more alpha. this is the right place for that… buuut ‘do or do not, there is no try’… For LTR’s there seems to be a lot of discussion on how to get more sex or get her into my frame. I am making some progress on this. I could add a lot of detail here, but here’s the bottom line: What if after going more alpha and setting frame, the husband is the one who is not interested. this is the… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 months ago

All the dumb-o-crats are downvoting my comments, lol.

theasdgamer
6 months ago

Looks like some of the GOP senators are reading this blog…and following my suggestions…

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/11/15/gop-sen-johnson-ill-subpoena-bidens-schiff-and-whistleblower-if-necessary/

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

Game circa 1960’s. Rule 4080, know when to stfu. Clownism is not a part of game.😁😂 Still, Breitbart 😂😂😂 aside, the clock still ticks. Angry weak ” representatives ” of any political stripe selling their souls are just a sideshow. Game grasps this. Game wouldn’t participate in silliness unless to dismantle. Game doesn’t ” follow “. Game doesn’t worship men. Game never deludes. Politicians ( you should get to know some asd…) Play political games. This is not Game. In their game, they are the only winners. Game recognizes that. Game won’t okay along, support, or join fuckery, and can… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

😂 I know I’m wasting my thumbs.

theasdgamer
6 months ago

Gee, Blax, your opinion of me matters so much. Thanks. 🙂 Game helps you read people and see through their games. This applies to politics like anything else. But go back to your climate change “facts”, lol. I’m sure that it really, really is true, because the dems say so. And they never lie and wouldn’t be trying to use bogus “science” to grab money and power. Glad you’re not a blue pill super beta like me. I’ll try to get better. Really I will. Someday maybe I’ll be a super red pill political guy like you. XD Loading...

theasdgamer
6 months ago

Blax, maybe I’m wasting keystrokes chatting here with you, but maybe somebody else will benefit. There is fckery in all human endeavor. Why do you think that politics should be free of it or any worse off than any other form of human endeavor? Sht, cars rust and corrode and get banged up in accidents. Wealth acts like a wild bird always trying to get away from us. Moths eat up expensive clothes and rugs. Thieves. Federal Reserve. Banks. Old age. Memory gets weak. We lose skills if we don’t practice them. We forget stuff we learned. Sh*t doesn’t get… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

Because you still believe there’s a real difference between one brand of politicians and another. They are exactly the same.

So you ” join ” a side and pretend.

Seems like a huge waste of time, all that Breitbart reading and fox news watching imo. One ” team” approved source makes one awfully misinformed and unbalanced.

It’s ” game ” like gears of war is actual warfare.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 months ago

Blaximus Rule 4080, know when to stfu. Clownism is not a part of game Men who truly have a grasp of Game can calibrate. Often they calibrate without any visual effort. I’ve known men who would work through a room of any kind of people; classical musicians or big game hunters or diesel mechanics or whatever. They could adjust their choice of topics and their speech patterns on the fly. Then there’s the doofuses who can’t stop monologues. They can’t read anyone around them or notice when they have made themselves obnoxious. Someone like that has zero real-world grasp of… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 months ago

AR, you have yet to make a comment that is 1. helpful, 2. funny, or 3. insightful. But I’m sure you will someday. Don’t you notice that nobody engages you much? Retards vote down comments when the warning is up front at the top. Learn to scroll. smh Warning: political comment @Blax You and some of your cohort demean Fox News. Sean Hannity of Fox News and John Solomon claimed that the U.S. Ambassador to the Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, had presented ex- Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Lutsenko with a “do not prosecute” list which included Burisma, where Hunter Biden was employed. Hannity… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 months ago

“Seems like a huge waste of time, all that Breitbart reading and fox news watching imo. One ” team” approved source makes one awfully misinformed and unbalanced.” Some Hahvahd types did an analysis of the news about Trump from various sources. MSNBC was 90% negative. CNN was a little less negative. The WSJ was 75% negative. Fox News was 50% negative. Hmm. Breitbart breaks stories more than anybody. Sharon Atkisson. Project Veritas. John Solomon. So diss Breitbart if you like. And remain ignorant of some important facts. I still have some respect for NPR and occasionally learn something from their… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 months ago

Political Trigger Warning Oh, I have a correction. Apparently the NY Times did not issue a retraction to its claim that Lutsenko had retracted his claim about Yovanovitch’s “Do Not Prosecute” list. “In an interview with The New York Times last month, Mr. Lutsenko blamed the confusion on the interpreter who handled his interview with The Hill. But he insisted that the ambassador, Marie Yovanovitch, had in fact asked him not to target certain politicians and activists who worked with the embassy on its anti-corruption efforts. But among Mr. Trump’s allies and media boosters, the story line was set: A… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

😒

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

Cut it out, guys. Politics are a constant temptation to argument, but a sure way to bore or anger every one around you.

theasdgamer
6 months ago

” The Hill ran an interview with then-top Ukrainian prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko, in which he accused her of giving him a list of people he should not prosecute. Lutsenko later walked that back, saying he had written the list.” I rate this Politifact article as journalistic malpractice. They draw the wrong conclusion from the article in the Ukrainian site TheBabel that is referenced in their article. But it’s useful because the Politifact article links to TheBabel article that tells you what’s going on. https://thebabel.net/texts/28898-genprokuror-yuriy-lucenko-ne-idet-v-otstavku-vot-chto-on-rasskazal-nam-o-konfliktah-s-poslom-ssha-i-glavoy-nabu-dele-burisma-plenkah-rozenblata-i-istochnikah-korrupcii-bolshoe-intervyu (if it’s not already translated, you should be able to translate it with a button click)… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 months ago

Forge, isn’t your scroll button working?

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

@Elvikingo Marriage is a rough spot to learn this from. You have less ability to just wipe the slate and start over if it’s not going well. You can turn it around. But it’s not a matter of just finding a new hobby or a new way to talk with her. Those do help, but you’ll still tend to get constant shit tests (you’ll feel them, likely, as a ‘why is she being so DIFFICULT!’ feeling) until you learn to flip the script on yourself. Not on her. This happens when you start acting as you want. You have kids,… Read more »

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

ASD, it is. I’m just giving you an unfiltered opinion here. I think it’s worth scrolling. Others (who I might want to help) might not.

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

Alright, I’ve been navigating this new relationship. Been learning things. Basically, this new guy her friends set her up with seems to be her ‘public’ relationship now. But a few days after it started she texted me. ‘Fuck you, btw.’ I lol’d, asked why. She told me she can’t be with shitty guys anymore since she’s been with me. Bitched about some behaviors which I’m sure were not selected at random. Basically the sort of thing a guy does when he’s pretending at confidence rather than possessing it. Me: ‘aww!’ her: ‘Don’t ‘aww’ me! I’m pissed!’ lol Anyways she lives… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

@Forge Emotional reassurance. Be her rock and all that. Think big hug and warmth from you and holding her and letting her rest against you (both physically and mentally – she’s resting on your frame as much as she’s resting against your chest). Don’t get into a big discussion about her parents or a logical planning session about how to deal with them. Just let her vent to you, hold her and soothe her. If there’s something specific you want to tell her to do to deal with the situation or fix it then do that (when she’s calmed down… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 months ago

@Forge Alright, I’ve been navigating this new relationship. Been learning things. that’s always good…lol Basically, this new guy her friends set her up with seems to be her ‘public’ relationship now. But a few days after it started she texted me. ‘Fuck you, btw.’ I lol’d, asked why. She told me she can’t be with shitty guys anymore since she’s been with me. lol… see… alpha widow!… props! Bitched about some behaviors which I’m sure were not selected at random. Basically the sort of thing a guy does when he’s pretending at confidence rather than possessing it. Me: ‘aww!’ her:… Read more »

Elvikingo
Elvikingo
6 months ago

@having a bad day; @Forge the Sky Thanks, guys! Huge help. So, I went out of town on business last week. A day before I get back, the wife is still bitching. I told her I don’t have time for this, I’m not doing this on the phone, etc. Seemed like it was going to be the usual drama when I got back. But, then, when I returned from the trip, she does a total 180. She is nice, pleasant, stayed up late to wait for me …was in bed wearing some kind of sexy lingerie…I was super tired, but… Read more »

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

HABD – thanks, as usual. I’ve gotten a lot better but this is still gonna be a bit of a tough one for me. Not the easiest situ. And I’m still figuring out what precisely I’d like to turn this into. Also, the best time to deal with the other guy situation was maybe like 5 days ago. As I continue to endure it it will get more difficult. I was gonna deal with it tomorrow but it sounds like she’s having real difficulty with her family right now. Justifiably, that’s her main focus. I’m pulling back to let her… Read more »

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

@Elvikingo Not bad. Good start. Be aware this is likely going to backlash on you soon, so prepare yourself some cocky/funny or warm stoicism, whatever suits your personality better. More on that in a second. What likely happened is that you drew a real boundary, and it made her realize she’s not treating you well. She still cares enough for this to be a bit of an ‘oh shit’ moment, so she starts thinking about how to smooth it over. Gets excited bc she has a challenge to seduce you. That’s how dread game works. I suspect you understand this… Read more »

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

Also, girls don’t give a shit if you’re 40 unless they’re trying to socially legitimize a relationship. If anything it helps you because you can play the ‘experience’ card.

(If you’re in shape, of course. No-one hot wants to bang a flabby flakey-skinned schlub.)

Things don’t really get harder, so far as I can tell, until you start to look actually old rather than middle-aged. For flings at least.

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Forge ” I was gonna deal with it tomorrow but it sounds like she’s having real difficulty with her family right now. Justifiably, that’s her main focus. I’m pulling back to let her deal with that; I’m not close enough with her yet to be her main refuge. For now, I can be a pleasant distraction. She lived with them all her life until 3 months ago, and a major part of her and her sibling’s humor seems to revolve around how the parents control them. That’s rough to break from. I do actually feel bad for her; she’s usually… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Elvikingo Good stuff. You post mobile the same way as computer via the post button. +1 on Forge’s comments. Be aware that shit test are coming. And they they will never ever end. They can change amplitude and frequency however. Cocky funny and agree and amplify and amused mastery are your frames. Easier to recover from while you are learning. Hulk smashing shit tests at this stage, while she hasn’t fully bought into your new frame, is counter productive. So keep it up. Keep your focus on you. Start living by The Platinum Rule – do whatever you want to… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Forge

” And I’m still figuring out what precisely I’d like to turn this into.”

Eh… Let’s examine this statement. I say false. You know what you want – I’d guess sex on demand with a slave girl who is only fucking you – but you are some combo of afraid/unsure about doing it and the risk of loss.

Some Other Guy
Some Other Guy
6 months ago

😆

“My prediction – she will be no contact for a few weeks then start up again.”

14 days exactly… Got a plausibly deniable innocuous text today… So much for the hate… Lolz

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

@EvilKingo You started your introduction here talking about not being as attracted to your wife. Is this just because of her bad, mean, bitchy behavior? Or other physical attractive features? Is she an attractive looking mom? What if her behavior changed in response to you getting your emotional, intellectual and physical shit together? What if she admired and respected you? What then? “…As I run more dread, she has been fighting hard against it. But, then she still says she misses me, wants sex, etc. I’m just not sure I want to be married. If I didn’t have a kid,… Read more »

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

@Sentient When you feel squeamish about pushing for what you want that’s a sign. You are being tested and probably failing. I’ve got room to improve here. But I was trying to hit her up yesterday and she just was angry and sad, so I let it go. She’s looking forward to coming to my place tomorrow, and we have spicy weekend plans. I’m not cringing back. Just recognizing when’s good timing, or not. I wrote about it because calibrating to this stuff is part of the game. Also it’s just poor luck; like I mentioned, the longer I ignore… Read more »

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

SJF gets it too. Being married with kids gives him perspective on this. Only thing I’d add is this: what you’re experiencing as the negative side of her behavior right now – that’s a beta perspective. Alpha knows the shit tests are an opportunity, an indication of her engagement with you. If you learn to have FUN with them, then you start to find girls – possibly wife included – just fun and invigorating to be around, regardless of whether they’re in the test or bang stage. Let me not exaggerate – everyone has bad moods and off days and… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 months ago

Elvikingo But, then, when I returned from the trip, she does a total 180. Strengthening Frame can have that effect. She could have been ovulating, too. The combination is self-reinforcing. So, either I am doing something right, or she’s bi-polar. She hasn’t flipped again. We shall see. Doubt that she’s bi-polar, you would have seen that years ago. Bear in mind as Sentient pointed out, more testing will happen. It may even seem to you in that moment that she’s totally reverted to her previous bad behavior. Don’t get all emotional over this. Don’t despair. Don’t get butthurt. This will… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 months ago

@Elvikingo @having a bad day; @Forge the Sky Thanks, guys! Huge help. So, I went out of town on business last week. A day before I get back, the wife is still bitching. I told her I don’t have time for this, I’m not doing this on the phone, etc. Seemed like it was going to be the usual drama when I got back. But, then, when I returned from the trip, she does a total 180. She is nice, pleasant, stayed up late to wait for me …was in bed wearing some kind of sexy lingerie…I was super tired,… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 months ago

@Forge HABD – thanks, as usual. I’ve gotten a lot better but this is still gonna be a bit of a tough one for me. Not the easiest situ. And I’m still figuring out what precisely I’d like to turn this into. sltty sex toy!… sltty sex toy!… sl*tty sex toy!… (<— your hindbrain…) hmmm, i really don’t know WHAT i want… what COULD it be?… hmmmm…. i really don’t know… (<— your socially conditioned rationalizing (beta) brain…) lol… Also, the best time to deal with the other guy situation was maybe like 5 days ago. true… and waiting longer… Read more »

Big J
Big J
6 months ago

Wow! Pick up channels are all down. Does anyone here have links where videos from RSD Julien, Max and Tyler and Street Attraction videos have been backed up?

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

@Big J – you can torrent them for sure. If not I’m sure someone on Reddit has them backed up and is distributing but you’d have to check.

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

Missed the chance I guess. Turns out she broke things off with the other dude two days ago, due to some ‘full on sociopathic’ thing he did she won’t say more about. I found her a bit distant and a untrusting this morning. I was quite tired myself, and failed a big shit test when I didn’t really respond when she went on about how she just wants to be free and experiment for now. Talking about how her friends already have another guy they’re trying to set up w her, who would be into more LTR stuff, but still.… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Forge

“due to some ‘full on sociopathic’ thing he did she won’t say more about.”

Anal without lube? Lol

Take this time to ponder a couple of things, for next time.

1) despite how she seemed she played you with a guy who may have been more alpha. It’s a possibility. He wasn’t just a nice age appropriate pup…

2) just about everyhting you’ve relayed has been in relation to her and her frame.

3) you have some self doubt around who you are and how you can act.

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

The game ain’t over yet man. Sure, I’ve lost frame and it’s the pits getting it back, but it’s also good practice. it’s very possible. She’s calling him a sociopath after being with him a week, and he left bruises on her when he first made out with her and showed them off to his friends. Not precisely elegant game, but that does sound more dark-triad than I am. I guess I’ll know if she pines or returns to him. Too soon to say yet. She’s adamant that I’m an asshole, is thrilled if I open up even a bit,… Read more »

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

Don’t know what the fuck happened to my formatting but I think you’ll figure it out lol

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 months ago

@Sentient Forge “due to some ‘full on sociopathic’ thing he did she won’t say more about.” Anal without lube? Lol lol… that was my first thought too… @Forge Missed the chance I guess. Turns out she broke things off with the other dude two days ago, due to some ‘full on sociopathic’ thing he did she won’t say more about. see above…lol I found her a bit distant and a untrusting this morning. I was quite tired myself, and failed a big shit test when I didn’t really respond when she went on about how she just wants to be… Read more »

Stefan
Stefan
6 months ago

“Just work on your personality bro, nevermind the 6’2 Chad over there banging all them bitches with the personality of an ironing board ”

Girls aren’t even trying to hide it anymore, Looks>>>>Personality !!!

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

Okay, survey: How many guys here have actually spent time around a ” 6’2″ Chad ” ( that description….speaks volumes )and watched him bang all the chicks, consistently, with the personality of an ironing board? Have you actually witnessed this in your life, outside of videos? Do you think ” looks ” mean you don’t have to do anything at all? Chicks just drop their panties in your presence? Think perhaps, that other men might intimidate you a tad is really showing you a flaw in your mentality that need addressing? More importantly, do you think women can sniff this… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 months ago

@Stefan

Free hint: that man is articulate, quick witted and running Game on top of his physique.
The vid is heavily edited, too.

Are you blackpilling or talking yourself into a gym membership upgrade?

lol

Elvikingo
Elvikingo
6 months ago

@having a bad day; @Forge the Sky; @Anonymous Reader; @SJF Wow, fantastic insight, tips, etc! Thanks again. Ok, first a little background for @SJF My primary issue with my wife is her behavior. I must admit to the mistake of allowing some really bad behavior early in our relationship….basically failing massive shit tests and being the nice guy. We went through some crazy stuff in life…I don’t want to write a whole novel here, but we had some rough times financially and whatnot. In response to her bitching (and because I had no money) I became a hermit. No friends,… Read more »

Stefan
Stefan
6 months ago

why can’t i post all day? something wrong with this wordpress crap

Stefan
Stefan
6 months ago

@Blaximus I have seen tall good looking guys get approached when out, i don’t know about sex, but you’d have to be really bad socially to fuck up an opportunity where girls come to you and open you up. I have a good looking, muscular friend who literally gets physically pulled by girls on the street to join them in the club they’re going to. It’s crazy, what a time to be a top 10% in looks, pussy on tap everywhere. @Anonymous Reader That guy from the video has game, was a bad example but i think you got the… Read more »

alexus
alexus
6 months ago

@Stefan – like westIndianArchie says, some guys just have it easy lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/8o8os0/frnight_out_with_my_handsome_mate/

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

elvekingo Good stuff. You are going to do great. Just need to keep waking up and understanding and then following through, avoiding the anger… My primary issue with my wife is her behavior. I must admit to the mistake of allowing some really bad behavior early in our relationship….basically failing massive shit tests and being the nice guy Her behavior is a response to YOUR behavior. Then, now and tomorrow. Get this. In response to her bitching (and because I had no money) I became a hermit. In response to your becoming a hermit, you get more bitching! I guess… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago
Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

I have seen tall good looking guys get approached when out, i don’t know about sex, but you’d have to be really bad socially to fuck up an opportunity where girls come to you and open you up. I have a good looking, muscular friend who literally gets physically pulled by girls on the street to join them in the club they’re going to. It’s crazy, what a time to be a top 10% in looks, pussy on tap everywhere. Guys having sex is very different to girls talking to or dancing with or making out with guys. all this… Read more »

Elvikingo
Elvikingo
6 months ago

@Sentient

Yes, this is exactly me…F’n A, man. Awesome response. Thanks!!

https://therationalmale.com/2012/11/19/mid-life-crisis/

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 months ago

elvekingo
My primary issue with my wife is her behavior. I must admit to the mistake of allowing some really bad behavior early in our relationship….basically failing massive shit tests and being the nice guy

Sentient
Her behavior is a response to YOUR behavior. Then, now and tomorrow. Get this.

@elvekingo:
What is the shape of this water?
comment image

Water takes the shape of whatever it is poured into. It stinks to realize that your woman is taking the shape of whatever space your frame has created…but it is true.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

Stefan, listen to Sentient and the others. Your misconception is a common one and we’ve spent a lot of time discussing it and beating it to death on TRM. The problem is that you are starting from some Fundamental misunderstandings about what women respond to which means the entire (completely logical – Sentient would call it dog logic) structure you build on top of it is flawed. If you’re really interested in getting to the bottom of it, read the Great Looks Debate in the comments section of a post here in late 2016. I think it might be the… Read more »

Stefan
Stefan
6 months ago

@Culum Struan

I will go through good girls bad girls comments ( 9 pages ), Yareally’s archive doesn’t open,seems its not active anymore.
I expected that you guys have discussed this before, but didn’t know where to start ( already read most of rollos post, but not many comments and field reports has 140 pages lol )

Thank you

IRL
IRL
6 months ago

A few clips for NLP aficionados:

Stefan
Stefan
6 months ago

@IRL

The end of the 2nd video was a bit depressing.
So, the husband/boyfriend works late to provide for her, so they can eat at that fancy restaurant and so on and she just gives up the pussy for free to a stranger after a few touches and words, damn.
What’s even the point of an LTR, when they can cheat so easily, they say guys think with their little heads but seems women think with their vaginas more.

IRL
IRL
6 months ago

@Stefan

C’mon man that’s just a noise in your head, a BluePill gas realeased when you opened your fizzy BluePill bottle.

Don’t stay in your head. Tell us more about your situ. Where you’re at, where you want to be and what actions have you taken so far. The rest is noise.

Stefan
Stefan
6 months ago

@IRL Actually, i need some help,please. I started playing with PoF ( plenty of fish ) and been chatting to some girls. A few agreed to meet this weekend. Problem is, i’ve never been on a date or something like that. All my previous girlfriends were co-workers and i knew them for a few months before being sexually involved. I have no idea how to be with a girl i meet for the first time, i m quite nervous. I was thinking of meeting them in a coffee shop or something like that and to have a chat. How do… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Stefan

How old are you? What do you look like? How do you dress? On a scale of 1 to 10 what level of autism do you have (not kidding)? How many women have you had sex with (penis in vajeen)?

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

And what country are you in?

Stefan
Stefan
6 months ago

@Sentient 28 years old. 5’5, slightly balding but not too bad,dark brown hair, big forehead, 165-170lbs ~18% body fat. Dressing with timberlands black boots or chelsea boots ( give me 2 inches boost 😀 ), slim fit jeans or chinos, sticking with white and black t shirts mostly ( standart fit, need ot lose some body fat to get to slim fit t shirts ) and some black or navy bomber jacket. Autism if level 1 is reading social cues and being dominant and 10 being complete doormat, I would say about 7. 2 women – 1 at 23 for… Read more »

Stefan
Stefan
6 months ago

Just to add, my face is between 3.5-4.5 based on the men’s looks guide on reddit r/truerateme sub, see below:
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Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Stefan OK man you’ve got stuff to work with. I detected a strong whiff of autist and leaning towards Lookism nonsense. Reality is you are a pretty normal guy who is on the shorter side. You can work with this but you have to understand where you are starting from and take things in steps. For now, hooking these online girls is great to be bale to start socializing. You will move on from here quickly. If I where you “I was thinking of meeting them in a coffee shop or something like that and to have a chat. How… Read more »

IRL
IRL
6 months ago

@Stefan

+1 to Sentient’s advice.

Meet each of them for about an hour, go through the motions and socialize a bit. No groping, just see how you can navigate from you doing 80% of talking to 50/50. No interrogation, just a chat about your/her day, stuff that interest you, a bit of joking here and there etc. One coffee and say you gotta go. You could suggest drinks another time or leave it at that. Report back.

Enjoy!

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 months ago

@Stefan Totally agree with Sentient and IRL’s advice. I’ll just add a couple of additional points -Stop wasting your time on the Lookism/ “rating looks” crap and subreddits. I understand why you got into it, but it’s indicative of a fundamental misunderstanding of what women respond to. -I don’t want to reignite the 2016 Great Looks Debate, but essentially good looks help to get your foot in the door – girls will be initially (note: initially) more open to your approach, and if you’re good looking enough, you will have average girls (not hot girls) approaching you in clubs. But… Read more »

Stefan
Stefan
5 months ago

@Culum Struan

I haven’t read mystery method. 5-6 years ago i was reading a lot of articles on girlschase, watching rsdtyler, richard laruina ( uk pua guy ), but nevet took any action lol, so i forgot all that theory.

I will have a look at that reddit post, seems there is a lot of good info for a beginner.

Thanks

Sentient
Sentient
5 months ago

Stefan

Start here

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w8E-lmub6R8

It’s an overview of the model.

Fact
Fact
5 months ago

Rules:
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Stefan
Stefan
5 months ago

So, the two girls i was supposed to meet this weekend never replied back when i tried to set up an actual time and place :(. But one other girl agreed to meet tomorrow at 6pm ( basically after work ) . Now , since all the coffee shops will be closed at that time, I will have to take her to some bar. My question is : Do I still play it as if it’s still the coffee shop and just have a quick chat for 40-60 mins, or should i be more physical and try to escalate and… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 months ago

@Stefan

The answer to both of your questions is: Yes.

…”Act as-if in the here-and-now. You can test beliefs even if you don’t believe they are true. All you need to do is act as if they were true and see what happens. If you find something that works, do more of it.” –Dave Gray, Liminal Thinking

What can go wrong?

How scary is that to you, to entertain the thought of doing just that?

And what are your alternatives?

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 months ago

Stefan the short answer is yes. To both. You’ll build up to more escalation and hotter girls don’t worry.

Don’t worry about the other girls cancelling on you. When I was doing this more actively I worked on the basis of a 50% flake rate from online girls for a first date. This isn’t your fault, it’s normal behaviour with online dating.

JacboSlim
JacboSlim
5 months ago

Hello all, I am new to the site but I have read The Rational male along with other red pill pieces of literature (Tactical Guide to Women, bachelor Pad Economics, The Way of Men, soon to buy Positive Masculinity and etc.) I have taken these teachings to heart and have changed my game and my aspects of inter-gender dynamics significantly. But with this I have always had a question in my heart about red pilled men. What do we consider the qualifications of a “Gentleman”? Do we follow closely to what society claims a gentleman is? Or do we have… Read more »

Fact
Fact
5 months ago

@Jacboslim

Southern states are culturally trad-con. Which leads to white knighting. Maybe you grew up there, or you’re just doing what you need to do to get invited to the next college party. But at the end of the day women are still going to be women, alpha beta. IMO trad-cons can be purple pill but they never really want to fully unplug, a part of them doesn’t want to acknowledge that women are running their own game, equality when she wants it, female privileges when she doesn’t.

Sentient
Sentient
5 months ago

Jacboslim You trolling? Eh… In all things look at the frame of the actor. If you are opening doors to put that pussy on a pedestal, well you will reap those rewards. My experience is those fratty quaint customs are just theatre and role play. SAE meant Sex Above Everything and KA Knights of Alcohol. No meant yes and yes meant anal… If you want to sperg out look at what’s been written about the much glorified (by white knight reasons) chivalry… https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2019/10/25/chivalry-is-the-word-that-expresses-that-ideal/ http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/02/modern-chivalry-is-dead.html?m=1 It’s one thing to follow certain social conventions and mores, being socially intelligent. It’s another to… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 months ago

Tradcons – not reasons…

BDM
BDM
5 months ago

Hey guys, I wanted to sound this out here. I hope some of the experienced guys can comment on this. I practice pickup and I am redpill aware. I have a girl that I have been dating for around 9 months and we have great fun but it is not exclusive on my side but she says she does not want any other guy and is happy with me. I date other girls as well. Recently I arranged a date with a girl I had approached on the street some time ago. The first date went well we had drinks… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 months ago

BDM – welcome to the TRM Field Reports section. We need some new blood especially since @j and @palma recently left. As far as your situation goes, I think you did well. If you genuinely didn’t want the girl and lost interest in her and told her to leave or whatever – then that’s congruent to yourself and you’re being authentic to your desires. No need to force it or do something you don’t want to do. However, there is a balance – you shouldn’t use that as an excuse or a buffer to avoid “doing the work” and getting… Read more »

BDM
BDM
5 months ago

@Culum Thanks for the response. I get what you are saying. I don’t mean to say my Game is at the zenith and I have no room for improvement. I have faced LMR many times before and have overcome it sometimes on the next date. Here I felt it was more of a frame grab than just LMR. She was trying to play the Game of having everything according to her timelines and convenience. This girl is elder than me she is 31 and I am 27 and all I wanted with her was sex and possibly a fuckbuddy arrangement… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 months ago

BDM

As she was epiphany stage woman I suspect this

“asked her to come over to my place and asked her to bring some wine and that I would whip up something to eat and we could watch something.”

Boyfriend kind of beta behavior triggered her ASD. So not LMR as much as ASD. Her comments about respecting her timeline and your feeling a frame grab support this as well.

She saw a chance to pivot to boyfriend.

IRL
IRL
5 months ago

@BDM Yes, there should a balance between doing what you want how you want it and learning that you just plow through it your way and the reality resists. Calibration. Need to learn how to read subtle cues and that you cause many of that. I think your issue with this specific girl started before your FR. First, she’s 31 so her hamster tests harder for that alpha and beta clarity. By definition. She’s running out of time, you know. Throwing a spanner in the works to find out how you handle it is part of the deal. Second, you… Read more »

IRL
IRL
5 months ago

@Sentient
As she was epiphany stage woman I suspect this

“asked her to come over to my place and asked her to bring some wine and that I would whip up something to eat and we could watch something.”

Boyfriend kind of beta behavior triggered her ASD.

Not necessarily, not on its own. @Palma and ThinMan do it and it’s not an issue per se. There are other factors that have set the trajectory of this interaction. The dinner date setting might not be colored in @BDM’s favor rather as a consequence.

Stefan
Stefan
5 months ago

Tinder checklist
https://m.imgur.com/a/fG4oVn3

BDM
BDM
5 months ago

@ culum sentient IRL Thanks for the feedback guys. But I thought I had to build at least a bit of comfort to get the lay. Besides she was not a bitchy shit testing girl, she was more of a shy and compliant girl from the beginning so I presumed at least without some comfort and making her feel that I want her and that she is just not another notch on my bedpost. On our first date she even said “How many girls do you do this to each month. This appears to be so natural to you, you… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 months ago

BDM

This will be good to tap into. Mystery said “the game is won or lost in comfort”.

There is a fine line between comfort enough to bang and comfort enough to make her think you are boyfriend material.

“On our first date she even said “How many girls do you do this to each month. This appears to be so natural to you, you are not even a bit nervous”. ”

What did you say here?

IRL
IRL
5 months ago

@BDM I thought I had to build at least a bit of comfort to get the lay. Well… “the game is played in comfort”… And yet you should know her level of attraction and compliance before you move things to comfort and seduction. So what was that level? Did you tease her a bit and let her close the space just before the make out? Did she comply with your requests at your place? If you can’t sense these things, consciously introduce little compliance tests. They’ll serve as both a diagnostic tool and a compliance/escalation ladder (this is why girls… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 months ago

Good discussion here. BDM – yes, you need some comfort, but less than most men think. And the more aroused and horny she is, the less comfort you need (although you still need some). But most men vastly overestimate how much comfort is needed – of course you can lose a lay by not doing enough comfort, but most men lose lays for the opposite reason. Also, note that Mystery wanted girls to be obsessed with him and have MLTRs and fall in love with him etc. If all you want to do is get laid quickly, comfort is less… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 months ago

I don’t disagree at all with inviting over to cook gambit… it’s all the lead up that IRL is pointing to in concert with that + the frame grab shit tests. An “unfolding” of BF desire so to speak. Possible. This ” my usual answer to the “are you a player”” I suspect is a big part of laying the groundwork. Curious to know BDM’s response. Also keep in mind Thin Man and Pure Evil liked a two/three date model because they also hated LMR. I think in the current “slayer” BS meme stuff that a lot is lost in… Read more »

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