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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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Culum “It’s starting to happen “in the moment” bit, by bit. Just part of my normal life. A nice moment with both the women above.” Good stuff. Enjoy the feelings in the moment. Enjoy just “testing the truth of the situation” as Bobby Judge would say. Keep doing it. Then in the moment just add that next step… Just to prolong the interaction. So next step might be just walking with her a bit more, or stopping to sit with her I stead of walking off with your coffee etc. It doesn’t have to be a big ask “instadate” and… Read more »

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Minor FR: In my regular sports activity (where I got N=3 and N=4), in a session where neither of them were there, there was a foreigner that was passing by due to work. She was relatively skilled so I more or less blatantly got rid of some other guy and played with her. She obviously was into me as she gave me a sweet she had brought from her country. At the end of the session I was like “You going to the subway?” and she’s like “Nice can you wait for me to change?” I kind of didn’t want… Read more »

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IAS /Culum At the end of the session I was like “You going to the subway?” Nice. Gotta bust a move and take a risk. And this is a very blase question, just conveyed with subcomms. Anyway then we are going and some other guy joins up to get his car he parked at the subway. Interrupts will happen, usually there is no need to AMOG, guys just peter out. So relax… grab her hand Kino… Break the next social convention… she is like “Oh you are such a bad boy” Classic diagnostic… All system go. number close her. Because… Read more »

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@Sentient, Blaximus, Lord Lucan (we know who you are..) I hosted my son in law and his buddy bow hunting deer yesterday. It was a peak experience. Because all of the three principles involved behaving beautifully like masculine males. Funny, I was away and I fucked up because we had low, low temperatures and I neglected to blow out and drain the lawn sprinklers. It could have been ten degrees below freezing. The neighbors came over and said water was gushing out of the pressure valve breaker. (not that they knew what that was I think my wife was out,… Read more »

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@SJF So this is my OPINION: There are different types of trouble in life. The type of trouble most people are accustomed to is as follows: You have some problem in work which eventually you sort or you have an argument with your ghey barber, he has a tantrum throws his toys out of his pram and has a little twitter rant which threatens your business and your hair grows while you find a new barber. ^^ At This level of trouble most men that have never experienced real commercial adversity are really psychologically (and possibly financially) stretched but they… Read more »

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@Lord Lucan You might say so. I love you, man… Time Pink Floyd Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way. Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town Waiting for someone or something to show you the way. Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain. You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today. And then one day you find ten years have got behind you. No one told you when to run, you missed… Read more »

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And I still can barely understand what “take the piss”. Or “take the piss out of” means.

But I’m not always very sharp.

P.S. I’m not mocking you.

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@SJF

I love you too (no homo – and your tits are shit).

Interesting you should mention Pink Floyd, a few months back I videod this for YS in the constant battle to keep a very intelligent young man who can see what’s happening positive:

https://imgur.com/a/QhnVA08

If you’d had a different journey you might get what I’m saying.

My whole point is that most men haven’t had that journey and so they are at a high risk of total wipe out from a bad association.

In my opinion – obviously.

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@SJF

You are sharp but you’ve had a different journey which means,
In common with most in here, you don’t get what I’m saying.

You just haven’t seen it play out, that’s all.

But it does, and your demographic are the target mark to people that are imposters in your world.

Hence the godfather shouldn’t hang out with the pickpockets.

Because – and I haven’t said this before – godfathers get bought down by their associations with the pickpockets.

But I’ve said it now. Yet more ranting from a prick.

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@SJF You are sharp but you’ve had a different journey which means, In common with most in here, you don’t get what I’m saying. You just haven’t seen it play out, that’s all. But it does, and your demographic are the target mark to people that are imposters in your world. Hence the godfather shouldn’t hang out with the pickpockets. Because – and I haven’t said this before – godfathers get bought down by their associations with the pickpockets. But I’ve said it now. Yet more ranting from a prick. That’s very interesting. Over the last five years, I’ve often… Read more »

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Maybe Have A Cigar would be more pertinent.😁

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Lord Lucan ( took me a minute to get it ) I absolutely understand what you’ve been saying. Story time since you mentioned The Godfather. A long long time ago, I found myself saddled with over 180,000 dollars in practically instant debt, with the harassment and legal threats that come along with it.I mulled bankruptcy, but because I was so young and inexperienced, I was mortified of credit ruination. So I figured I’d just work my way out of it asap, and the fastest way I knew to generate large amounts of cash carried insane risks ( prison ). I… Read more »

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Btw, the Columbian beat the clock. His underlings decided they wanted to execute a hostile takeover with emphasis on ” execute “. he fled to Miami for a.short time, then to the Caribbean last I’d heard. I reckon he doesn’t need to do anything for the rest of his life.

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Maybe Have A Cigar would be more pertinent.

Ok, you got me for my fake optimism Blax.

But that reminds me. I haven’t been to my favorite cigar lounge in a helluva long time. I used to go bi-weekly.

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@Blax

@I absolutely understand what you’ve been saying.”

I’ve said this before to you and no homo cos you got shit tits as well, but how can a black boy from over there get it when a white boy from over the pond says something, when apparently were different?

I’ll tell you why, similar adversity in youth, that’s why, which is why we understand the shit that’s going down with these arseholes.

So you get it.

Thanks.

If I get over the pond perhaps we’ll do cold beer.

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With regards to your comment on Rollo’s association with Tate (Christian McQueen 2.0) on the previous page, Krauser’s take:

“I did warn Rollo months ago that Tate is a bullshitting goon. Evidently he disagrees. I haven’t seen the interview but here’s my best guess: Rollo was never a player, so he simply doesn’t have the calibration to spot a fake. Armchair theorists have this weakness, even when their armchair theorising is good (which Rollo’s is.”

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@Lucan With regards to your comment on Rollo’s association with Tate (Christian McQueen 2.0) on the previous page, Krauser’s take: “I did warn Rollo months ago that Tate is a bullshitting goon. Evidently he disagrees. I haven’t seen the interview but here’s my best guess: Rollo was never a player, so he simply doesn’t have the calibration to spot a fake. Armchair theorists have this weakness, even when their armchair theorising is good (which Rollo’s is).” Well, maybe you should listen to the interview tomorrow. If you don’t or Lucan doesn’t, you are just speculating. Some of us are moving… Read more »

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Krauser’s take: “I did warn Rollo months ago that Tate is a bullshitting goon. Evidently he disagrees. I haven’t seen the interview but here’s my best guess: Rollo was never a player, so he simply doesn’t have the calibration to spot a fake. Armchair theorists have this weakness, even when their armchair theorising is good (which Rollo’s is).” Oh, and if you haven’t noticed, based on Krauser’s recent comments he is full blown launched into male epiphany phase. I love the guy for his guts. I love the guy for his INTJ-ness. I love him for his writing which is… Read more »

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Hey guys! It’s been a while. Trying to go away for a bit and live my life, ya know. Sorry to ghost you SJF. I’m not up to writing a full FR on this one, though it’d be an interesting one. The long and the short is, I’ve been seeing a college freshman; know her bc she knows my younger sister. She’s spectacular, long red hair, curvy, kind and submissive. We both like each other’s personality a lot. But, her family is quite conservative and I’m 15 years older than her. So it’s been quite secret. It’s been fun because… Read more »

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SJF Lol, you know you’re my bruv, right? So you had to know I wasn’t just gonna let this comment go – “(N.B. I don’t live in a chaotic world, you guys do… and sometimes by choice… sometimes by upbringing. I do understand the documentary of Lucan and Blax. It was just never me being fucked over. And not that there is anything wrong with being fucked over and rising from that…)” Ummm, nah, we all live in the exact same world, but sometimes some of us venture into the ” chaos ” because we’re not into ignoring these things.… Read more »

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Forge!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good to read you, sorry to hear.

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Hit me up, Blax et al. It’s better than drinking whiskey.

Two weeks ago we were conspiring how to sneak me into a bedroom after a party; this week she says she was ‘up too late’ to tell me about the party, and so I asked if she was with a dude and she says it was ‘not in a sexual way.’ FML.

I’m not trying to be a sad sack, lol. Just…whiplash here. I was pinning her down two days ago.

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Forge, good to see you again! Vent away…it’s only Field Reports.

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Turned down an easy lay with some married woman last night lol. (I’d opened her as a kind of warm-up set as I was on my own. Her friend joined us, and the 3 of us all drank together) Pretty, but a little older than what I like tbh (she was 30). Plus don’t really wanna bang married women. She was showing me dirty pics and pic of her hubby, telling me she’s bored of him and likes to have fun behind his back. I was dodging her kisses like Tyson Fury! Then she literally asked me if I wanna… Read more »

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Did anyone see this? Ric Ocasek cuts his ex-wife out of his will weeks before passing because she “abandoned” him. She was estranged so why should she be entitled to his fortune? Nice work Ric!

https://www.showbiz411.com/2019/11/08/exclusive-ric-ocasek-was-diagnosed-with-cancer-just-before-his-death-resented-estranged-wife-paulina-porizkovas-boyfriend-ed-solomon

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Hey Forge.

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I remember when Poriskovas was all the rage.😂 3rd wife? Wtf? My ex isn’t in my will, and I didn’t have to cut her out. Even though Ric and her aren’t divorced officially, he’s correct that she abandoned him. My ex is smart enough to get that she’d not be in my will if I happened to take a dirt nap because she actually understands me and how I see things. During marriage I provided everything she’d need, including education. After divorce I sold my house and split the proceeds with her, as we were cutting ties. I didn’t have… Read more »

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Forge Stick around there is still much to unpack. “I’m not trying to be a sad sack, lol. Just…whiplash here. ” You need to understand – and live by – the rules of the game. There is fish or cut bait time on these things. As a player you have only a few options. A) plate. A plate means she spins with or without you. YOU don’t get to have feelz… B) claim her and commit for a period. C) so dominate her psychologically she is willing to give up everything and follow you. Here, she is just doing what… Read more »

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@Forge! Welcome back. Commiserations on your situation. Speaking as someone who had the best sexual chemistry of his life – we literally couldn’t keep our hands off each other – during a fling with a 19 year old when I was 33 – I totally get where you are coming from (she stopped responding to messages and got a new age appropriate boyfriend after some time – although mind you, unlike you, we never had a real relationship although I did meet her friends and go out with them etc a couple of times – so if I’d wanted a… Read more »

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@Sentient – noted on the points re going to the next step and the next step and moving forward with the public interactions. That’s what I’m doing now. Am in a new place today for a few more days before going back to my physical training. This place isn’t English speaking so a bit harder. Was chatting with the cute hotel receptionist (who speaks English) when checking in – joking about my flight etc and she was laughing and chatting, but interesting that I felt absolutely nothing in the vibe. I can’t pin down why – I can’t break down… Read more »

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Oh and I wanted to add a couple more things about my recent yoga-chick experience. Unusually for me, I actually enjoyed her company, so I saw her on two successive nights (didn’t lay her on the first night only due to logistical reasons – but she’d already decided – logically – to sleep with me by then which makes things so much easier – no LMR or anything) and even her spend the night which is very unusual for me. The actual details of the date are not that important – this stuff is pretty routine. The dinner on the… Read more »

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Hi Forge the Sky! Lol, it’s OK you ghosted me in real life. We all know what that was for. Monk mode, clear the decks in you head and have some clarity of the signal. I think it was April of 2016 we were sitting at dusk at the backyard of my clubhouse cabin at my barn. After a day of guys “doing mushrooms” (no not those kind, guys). Lol, we spent quite a bit of time talking and I was trying to pin you down on why you liked Jordan Peterson’s content provision. What you got out of it… Read more »

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Culum!!! I love interactions with girls that are being pleasant but essentially are just doing their job.I see it as breaking their wall against their will, lol. Last week I went to burger king to try one of those meatless whoppers. I eat fast foods only a few times a year of I can help it, but I was curious. So I waltz up to the counter feeling great and energetic and happy, and I see the counter chick, maybe hb 6-ish with plenty of mascara and eye lashes and copius cleavage. Her: welcome to bk how can I help… Read more »

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Aw shit. I just realized that I wrote that chicks ” light up ” when they see you.

Sounding like asd.

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@Blaximus, Lord Lucan Without the ” Bad shit “, the ” Good shit ” doesn’t have it’s full meaning. It’s a different level of appreciation and understanding. Not recognizing the potential for you to be fucked over isn’t a good thing imo. Just like most things in life, a man shouldn’t feel badly about getting fucked over, but he should feel awful if he doesn’t take the lesson… Chaos is relative my friend. It certainly is. That was my point. I’m trying to figure what the cross talking points are. You seem to be saying that I have my blinders… Read more »

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Blaximus
I just realized that I wrote that chicks ” light up ” when they see you.

Easily fixed. Think more like this.
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A bit of public domain information mostly provided by government agencies for your Sunday night amusement before I go to the pub: Every single company owned have been dissolved (which is what they do when you file fuck all). Only one of the companies ever filed any accounts and that one had a charge against it and there were 2 director changes late in the day. https://companycheck.co.uk/director/911946574/MR-EMORY-ANDREW-TATE/companies https://companycheck.co.uk/director/912813645/MR-TRISTAN-TATE/companies Lambo was bought secondhand (the check doesn’t actually reveal the owner so could be anybody), not new, because it had 1 previous owner and it’s a 2016 on 14,246 miles at its… Read more »

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I totally agree with @Lord Lucan. I didn’t even need to see his detective work. This Tate guy is the one with the @OfWudan Twitter account right? He has a “War Room” where you pay to hang out with “millionaires” or something? I remember glancing it at it months ago for 5 minutes and laughing and thinking he is such a try hard bullshitter. I thought the same about ADJ even before everything went south, but at least with ADJ, I had some doubts. Something was off, but I couldn’t put my finger on it and I was willing to… Read more »

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PS – LOL@ Blax.

Yes that’s the kind of thing (but my personality-based) that I’m building up to. Although unlike you I’d go for the instadate and sleep with her in a lot more cases..

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Doing a lot better today. Yesterday’s crap just kinda took me out of the blue there. Thanks AR, good to see ya here. Hey kfg! Good too see ya still kicking out there ya magnificent bastard. Sentient – lucid layout, thanks. Think I actually have all these options here. Was talking w her today and she’s still basically mine, but the social pressure erosion is starting to show in fits and starts. Need to amp it up or cut it loose. But I’ll write this up in a bit more detail, I think it may actually be interesting for intermediate… Read more »

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Alright, I’ll try to keep this from being a novel. Sister has a friend from college. Sister dhv’s me a lot because we’re tight and I’m awesome. She’s not trying to set us up, I just come up in convos sometimes. She’s there at family shindigs so I meet her off an on. She kinda gloms on to me – finds me at parties, talks to me, is only reluctantly dragged away. Then they get me to download snapchat and both add me, so when they send out some random ‘at coffee shop w latte, bliss!!’ photo I can respond… Read more »

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SJF – I knew you get it, man. We’ll hang out again. Maybe this spring? Always enjoyed it. I just needed to disconnect, was spending too much time ruminating here, and you were a casualty of that.

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“… and you were a casualty of that.” Our relationship may have been a casualty of that. But I wasn’t. I was and am fine with it and it was a natural progression and good call by you to disengage and move beyond the “process” of the Red Pill. That’s a sign of maturity. You had “become” more yourself, soul integrated with mind. I will always admire your unique skills at being a cool man. And your verbal and writing skills. And most of all, your True Humility, not Nice Guy or Prideful. Bless You. It was a blessing to… Read more »

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@Forge: there are small hints of a little bit of One-itis forming there. I think you are sorting yourself out well but be prepared to lose her, if not now, in the future.

She will definitely never forget you, if that helps.
But conversely she is also leaving more of a mark on you than “just another plate”. That isn’t necessarily bad, but you have to manage your feelings.

It is very easy (because that is part of our biology) to get too attached in such a situation. Would be good for you to spin another plate.

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” The desire to have her be MINE is actually here, a sort of covetous thing that I’m not used to experiencing. ”

Hmmmm…. And during the “marriage wars” thread I said exactly this? And all I got back was “that’s not a reason… One sided legal contract… Open LTR! Magic beans and fairy dust! Lalalala I can’t jear you”

How about that…

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Forge We get it. “Star crossed lovers torn apart by convention”… Tune in next week! Couple things… Don’t let the “relationship” thing become it’s own dynamic, it’s own entity. Because once that drama leaves things will be very different. “A bit of boldness can work wonders. ” Indeed. But yet she was bolder right? she invited you to the park, she told you to be more direct… “my sister set her up with her BF’s friend and how she resisted at first but ‘they told me to keep an open mind and, uh, I did.’ ” Just like sister set… Read more »

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@Sentient A) plate. A plate means she spins with or without you. YOU don’t get to have feelz… B) claim her and commit for a period. C) so dominate her psychologically she is willing to give up everything and follow you. +1 @Forge About 15 years ago, my cousin’s classmate (late teens/early 20s) started seeing an older guy (late 30s/early 40s). Her friends gossiped about it and talked about him as this old geezer. It wasn’t my social circle and I never met the guy. I don’t know if he started from Sentient’s A or went directly to B, but… Read more »

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@Forge – interesting FR. I think it basically comes down to Sentient’s 3 options and which one you choose to go forward with. That whole sub/wanting to be used thing is so incredibly common. Even with my recent yoga chick, she started talking about how “you [me] just want to use me, don’t you..make me your sex toy for the night..” – talk about projection. Also, right at the end of our session, as she was getting off the bed, she grabbed my foot and started sucking my toes for a bit…again, sign about her desires (foot play does nothing… Read more »

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Alright fellas the forum is up: https://www.skilledseducer.com/ And that is where I will be posting from now on (not gonna pull a YaReally and disappear from the web forever lmao). Which sadly means my time here at TRM as come to an end (2017-2019). Only person I want to thank (especially for this year), who in fact did not help me with pickup at all lol, is blax. For standing by me, and drilling into my head that there is more to life than pickup (2020 and beyond I will be shifting my time more towards building a more balanced… Read more »

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Yeah why thank Rollo…

😒

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Yeah why thank Rollo… “Only person I want to thank (especially for this year), who in fact did not help me with pickup at all lol, is blax. For standing by me, and drilling into my head that there is more to life than pickup” …Or any of the guys that could be his uncle’s age, who drilled him that there is more to life than pick-up, but didn’t do it in a nice, tribal way, rather than typical masculine tribal way without Groupthink J is used to…That was always hanging in the air, patently obvious… …either he couldn’t understand.… Read more »

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On Tate

Which of these are true?

a) he overstates his worth
b) he cleverly uses Instagram and cheap Romanian COL
c) he runs a Ponzi scheme it appears
d) if the cam girls are real there must be a mob connection, at least kick backs
e) he is a skilled kickboxer
f) he is in good shape
g) he is an expert troll
h) he is a leader of men
i) he is not above using you to get what he wants
j) he understands women
k) all of the above…

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All I know about the dude is @Lord Lucan’ post and 5 minutes on his Twitter 6 months ago. But I guess pretty much everything on that list (to varying degrees) is true. That doesn’t mean his opinion is completely useless (perhaps if he’s good with women I might listen to his opinion about Game, perhaps if he’s a skilled fighter I’d listen to him about marital arts) but it does mean he’s ruled out for anything where integrity and trust are important – in particular going into business with him in any fashion – or becoming a customer or… Read more »

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it does mean he’s ruled out for anything where integrity and trust are important

Indeed. Too funny though how he has all ADJ’s simps on his tip…

https://twitter.com/Iggy_Semmelweis/status/1192661455700541440

Must be killing him… lol

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Sensible stuff as always, my dudes. It’s true that I need to sort out my objectives, instead of being sorry that no compromise-free path exists. Sentient – true that she started bolder than I, but frankly I knew how it would look if I was propositioning a teenager who didn’t reciprocate. Rather not have that reputation – for social reasons, not game reasons. So I let her escalate until her interest was unambiguous, then took over. Anyways, a bit of detail about the new situation w the other guy since that seems to be the focus of attention here. I… Read more »

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@Forge – you have it backwards.

You can’t decide what approach to take with the girl until you first decide what your goal here is.

For example, if you decide you just want her as a plate, who cares if she makes out or sleeps with another guy? But if you want 2 or 3 in Sentient’s list then you have to make your expectations clear.

BTW, if you do have The Talk, remember, don’t have a discussion. Set out your expectations sure, but don’t get drawn into A Big Discussion. Pointless.

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@Sentient

“Indeed. Too funny though how he has all ADJ’s simps on his tip…”

He’s a better showman, with more “money”, and he is also true Alpha, where ADJ is a frustrated Beta.

He needs the chump lillywhites because he needs cash flow they bring and also he will be burnt on things like merchant payment processing, and premium telecom arrangements. They’re virgins so they will be fronting that.

Of course once you’re in the ponzi loop, it has to grow faster and faster and FASTER AND FASTER AND FASTER AND FASTER AND BANG…

But no one can see that.

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@Forge
Not entirely sure how to proceed from there.

Dude. How does the execution look like when you don’t have clarity of what you want?

Speaking of Tate lol, contrast with (both tweets):
https://mobile.twitter.com/OfWudan/status/1189487026971783168

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@IRL

AF/BB is not their choice of mating strategy

It’s what they have to resort to because the both qualities are not usually present in the same man.

BUT when they are / or they appear to be present in the same man, they lose their minds chasing him.

Alpha Bux.. or the illusion of both at least.

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Forge Anyways, a bit of detail about the new situation w the other guy since that seems to be the focus of attention here. Nah, that’s the focus of your attention. We’ve been looking at how you are feeling about this. End result is the same but I think the motive is less there. This isn’t that far of a leap to “but she just fucked him one time, relax man!”… I know you know this? Perhaps HABD needs to chime in on the pernicious nature of the FI, for olde tymes sake? I told her that I’m not a… Read more »

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@Sentient
IRL – ha I was thinking about another one for this situation, can’t find it. He is in a text thread, girl says something about his brother, he says something like “it’s too bad we’re broken up” and she says “What when!” and he says ” a few minutes ago when you made fun of my brother.

Oh ya that one was funny too. Someone retweeted it in the same thread:
https://mobile.twitter.com/NeroSthlm/status/1189489913252569088

Clear goals, values and boundaries will take you far.

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Culum, Sentient; thanks, as usual. You can’t decide what approach to take with the girl until you first decide what your goal here is. Yes, this is the main takeaway I’m getting here. I frankly didn’t have much of a goal past playing w sexual tension, banging boots, etc. My game is good enough now that that was no issue. But my frame was weak here, and its really only my fault. This isn’t that far of a leap to “but she just fucked him one time, relax man!”… I know you know this? Eh I knew I shouldn’t have… Read more »

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So anyways, I just saw her for a bit before she went off to a study session. Just for the sake of this being a FR board, this is how I set it up. It’s the basics, but there’s gotta be some learners out there yet. Was simple; I just texted her some ridiculous sex joke I thought up. It was something like ‘I was looking up ‘missionary position tips’ and all I found was this stupid job search website for preachers’ She lol’d, asked why I was searching for that. ‘Because every time I bang a girl in that… Read more »

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@Forge: you are doing well and getting good advice, as expected. It looks like you are having great sex and getting her virginity had/has some special value for you… Still, be wary of the pedestal, she is still just a girl / AWALT. I suggest you try to consider both what you want right now, and what you wanted before you were having sex and particularly before she pulled this stunt on you (this was implied more subtly by IRL, above “Think of what you’d wanted before you met her.”). Check yourself (before you wreck yourself), because if previously you… Read more »

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@Forge

What do you think about taking a break from this relationship? Like what’s your first thought, your visceral reaction to the idea? It never lies.

You see, a break would give you time to stop and figure out what you want without defaulting to all the wobbly frame patterns you’ve got with her.

Bonus: you taking a break (not even discussed/negotiated in dog logic, the shorter the verbal message the better) would show her that you put yourself first, you’re not given and may be gone any time, too.

A frame reset for you and for her.

Trash can pic optional… lol

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FORGE!!!! welcome back!… i was starting to wonder what happened to you…lol overall good FR, buuut… how’s that FI treatin’ ya?…lol seems like it has a firm grasp on your shoulder… a couple of points… overall, what YOU want seems to be having this girl as your own sl*tty sex toy, but you fear the ‘social blowback’… which is leading you to (already) start making excuses for why you ‘really don’t want that’… you just need to AF up… you KNOW how to do that, you just don’t want to put in the work… hint – ‘making demands’ is good… Read more »

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The thing about this Tate guy (I spent 5 more minutes on his Twitter) is that he’s an unpleasant, negative asshole (plus a bullshitter lacking integrity as pointed out earlier). Of course alpha’s a demographic and a mindset, and there’s nothing preventing unpleasant assholes from being alpha/good with women/good at martial arts or whatever. Just so long as we don’t confuse the persona with alpha or start to believe alphas act like that (unlikely here on TRM, very likely elsewhere). Like..you have to have an abundance mentality, hold frame, not supplicate, have your MPOO, take them on an emotional rollercoaster… Read more »

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Culum

Surprised at you.

Alpha is as Alpha does.

Full Stop. Amoral. Some are really shitty people. Some are nice. Always operate in their own from though.

FWIW half the time or more Tate is trolling… Listen to his interview with Rollo.

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@ Forged Focus on your Frame. If you want the girl, stake your claim. If not, don’t. The hangups about the family, friends, etc., all has to go out the window. It’s fine to keep things secret if that’s what you want, but if you’re keeping it a secret because of fear, that’s something else entirely. Ask yourself what you want. And answer that question carefully. The girl being super into you is what matters for the relationship, not what her friends or family think. You’ve got some work to do on yourself if this is a hangup for you.… Read more »

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Sentient, no I agree. I was trying to square my (obvious) dislike of the man with him being apparently alpha, but yes of course I know alpha is amoral. I’ll take a look at the interview when I have time – if he actually has some charm and doesn’t take himself entirely seriously that’s a different matter, and makes him more likeable (even if he’s still a bullshitter). On another note guys, I’ve been finding over the last few months to a year or so that my relationship with one of my best male buddies is changing. I’ve posted before… Read more »

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@ Culum

It’s absolutely that you’ve changed. And that’s a good thing. Keep up the good work. Being disillusioned with people you previously had on a pedestal is a huge sign of growth.

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@culum “Very very high IQ” How high? Really high or does he just think it’s high? Truly high IQ’s tend to be more of a burden with women than anything else, if I was a gambler I’d say you were higher than he was and you’re growing into your skin and changing while he’s just slightly higher than normal but his slight edge gives him too much confidence because he thinks he’s clever. Much above 150 and you find most men and women bloody tedious and so you struggle with normal friendships because of the banal shit conversation and stupid… Read more »

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HABD! Still inimitable. Thanks, I’m out here thinking man. Not the least bc of you. Softek! Good to see ya here man. Thanks for replying, I’ll hit you when I have a minute to think. Busy evening lol. Same to the others replying to me. I’ll write when I have a thing to say. Just one bee in my bonnet, which I’ll forget about if I don’t say now. I know little about this Tate fellow you’re talking about, so I might misrepresent him. But my quick impression makes me think of this. Being an asshole doesn’t make you alpha… Read more »

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@Culum

On Tate, a lot of things are going on including his constant aggression which is actually in all directions and is intended to create a “climate of fear and intimidation” intended to stop you / anyone questioning anything about him.

Because most of his claims won’t stand up to scrutiny so he can’t allow them to be questioned or scrutinised he goes on the aggressive in all directions.

Chancer behavioural pattern 101 that’s all.

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At the end of the day it’s very very poor down there. I went down and opened an office next door in Moldova, even the main high street through the capital Decebel in Chisinau didn’t have a proper road covering and was awash with mud when it rained. Poverty stricken 9’s will be taking 2/3/4 buses for hours on end to make the pilgrimage in from the rural villages to even get near him (or work for me) and there’s no work down there to speak of and no social benefits or housing etc, they’re mostly living on farms growing… Read more »

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“Truly high IQ’s tend to be more of a burden with women than anything else, if I was a gambler I’d say you were higher than he was and you’re growing into your skin and changing while he’s just slightly higher than normal but his slight edge gives him too much confidence because he thinks he’s clever. Much above 150 and you find most men and women bloody tedious and so you struggle with normal friendships because of the banal shit conversation and stupid things they do so it can actually be a burden.” Lol. Booze might be a workaround… Read more »

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Question for the brain trust: Are file uploads to https://anonymousfiles.io/ really anonymous? I had the idea of sharing a TTS version in mp3 format of an entire comment page, but was not certain about this. I have said for a while that I think other men could benefit from hearing the comments. Much of the writing here is outstanding. Some sight gags, strikeout text, quotes and responses, imoges, and some sarcasm are lost in translation–but that should be understood. Question for Rollo Tomassi: If it is possible to do this anonymously, as the host of this website, do you have… Read more »

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“Are file uploads to https://anonymousfiles.io/ really anonymous?” You don’t lock a bicycle so securely that it can’t be stolen, that is impossible, at least so long as the bicycle remains usable as a bicycle. You lock it securely enough that it’s easier to steal the bicycle next to it. Note that securing the bicycle is not the same thing as securing the bits that make up the bicycle. To anonymize a file it isn’t enough to upload it to a non-logging site, the bits must also be protected. It must be anonymized for every computer it passes through along the… Read more »

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@Forge – yes, exactly. The wealth analogy is very good. You can have wealth and be crass or classy. Both of those involve being wealthy, but only one involves being cool… @Softek – thanks man. It certainly feels like our frames pushing against each other occasionally as I’ve grown. This is the same guy about whom my ex gf in my last LTR (years ago) used to say to me “You hero worship that guy…why don’t you fuck him instead of me if you listen to him so much” (lol). @Lord Lucan – I don’t know if he’s ever done… Read more »

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@Lord Lucan

Lol you’ll enjoy this thread:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LivesTalisman/status/1194611983682867200

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@IRL

To be honest I’m struggling with some of the associations here.

I come from a place where you defend the team but I’m looking at it and I can’t defend the team because I don’t agree with the associations the leader is making.

And it’s not a one off, we’re at the hat trick. 21, cooper, and Tate. All a bad idea.

I really enjoy the locker room but I’m not sure I can hang out here anymore so I probably have to leave.

I’ll miss you all but you know where to find me.

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@ kfg & Culum, Thanks for the explanation.

For your listening pleasure, Text-to-Speech The Rational Male Field Reports Page 137 in MP3 format, 106 Files, 62.2 MB, zipped size 38.5 MB. Listening time is about 1.5 hours. Expires in 1 week. It does contain artistic album covers that may be NSFW.

Your file RM_FR_137.zip has been uploaded to https://anonymousfiles.io/0XRtKmol/

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@Lord Lucan

I don’t understand – what do the associations Rollo has have to do with whether you hang out with everyone else here? Esp in the case of Tate, just doing an interview with him?

Stick around…it’s a unique place here.

PS – We don’t know how to find you, short of taking an educated guess about walking around the streets of a certain town based on a certain news story…

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I really like the comments as regards to Forge the Sky. They are on point. I know Forge as an on point guy. Not a Beta, nor and AFC and well versed Red Pill guy. My spidey sense is that his original FR was based on his mental point of origin being that he was reliant on how he grew up and developed. To whit: He is at peak value as a male. Age ? 36 His Apex. He’s charming and in good form, body wise (i.e. slim, normal, attractive…) His family is super trad-con. Super good father and mother.… Read more »

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@Culum

It’s palmasailor at outlook dot com

Hit me up sometime but I’m taking some time out of here

Cheers!

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This is another game post. Life game, of which seduction game is a subset. Scroll by if you’re not interested in life game or if analyzing political game is boring to you. NB: I would prefer to put posts like this in a place called “The Lounge” if Rollo had a place like that. We could drink and chat about life sh*t. Political Game–dems and repubs Both sides are about seeking power for its own sake. The dems are better at it than the repubs. The current dem strategy is a coup attempt. Anthony Zaid (the mouthpiece of one of… Read more »

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None of this, not one word, has anything to do with game at all. In any sense. Politics, and those that live by them, is a different ( and bullshit ) animal.

Tick…tick…tick.

( scrolling away now )

Lol….muh president…gtfoh
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Lol @Blax ‘s denial of game. Game applies wherever you have two or more people, in every sphere of life. But go back to watching Rachel Maddow…btw, her game is a little interesting…she does The Tease ™…she “knows” more than you, her listener, do…and she teases you with her “knowledge”…(which turns out to be bullsh*t, lol)…

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As usual, you don’t have a clue what you’re saying.

Out.

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New commenter here….getting into RP. I am/was a classic married beta, trying go more alpha. For LTR’s there seems to be a lot of discussion on how to get more sex or get her into my frame. I am making some progress on this. I could add a lot of detail here, but here’s the bottom line: What if after going more alpha and setting frame, the husband is the one who is not interested. After so many years of wife nagging and fighting and husband sacrificing, he just doesn’t care anymore? Then what? Divorce rape and child support does… Read more »

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Elvikingo

What country are you in?

“I don’t see too many good options.”

“Burden” comes in many forms…

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I am in good ol USA. Why? Not sure what you mean.

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@Elvikingo

Follow the 12 levels of dread. When you reach dread 11 things will resolve themselves.

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Blax, we should all be as smart as you are…believing in global warming…lol

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@redlight Thanks. Tbh, I am probably on level 2-3 of dread game already. I started going to the gym a few years ago. I have a business I run. I dress well. I’m 40 but look younger. My hobby is guitar, although this has been a HUGE point of contention. I read Rollo’s post about selling his guitars and I really felt the pain. I gave that up as well “for her” years ago, and I cannot express to you the pain it has caused me. This past year, I laid down the law on this….I am going to play… Read more »

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Elv8nkingo Checking you aren’t in Africa or the thirld world… “Burden” means because tou have a dick and balls you have to work for whatever you want. Those plates dont spin themselves. Often a guy trades one kind of burden for another, and decieves himself he no longer has to do any “work”. ” What if after going more alpha and setting frame, the husband is the one who is not interested. ” Have you done this? Have you set the frame? Is this something you are actually experiencing or is tgis some kind of Bullshit fear/buffer? ” I started… Read more »

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For you lurkers, I’ll unpack my previous comment. I’m sure that Blax got my point. If you claim to know game, you had better have good game skills. This includes seeing through people who are attempting to game you. Defensive game. The global warming/climate change game is about using scare tactics and scienz!!!! to persuade people to cede economic power to the left via a carbon tax and all sort of cumplianz bullsht. If you look at the research behind the game, you find that things are far from settled. We aren’t sure if there is any long term climate… Read more »

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Elvikingo This past year, I laid down the law on this….I am going to play my guitar. period. I don’t care if you don’t approve…etc. As I run more dread, she has been fighting hard against it. This is typical. You were betaized, and therefore predictable, she had you “all figured out”. Now you’ve started to kill the Beta by returning to previous habits / persona. That is a threat to her hindbrain, because you’re not as easy to control. She’s going to run her full suite of behaviors in order to get you back in the corral. It’s not… Read more »

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@Elvikingo you’re getting good advice… New commenter here….getting into RP. welcome!… I am/was a classic married beta, trying go more alpha. this is the right place for that… buuut ‘do or do not, there is no try’… For LTR’s there seems to be a lot of discussion on how to get more sex or get her into my frame. I am making some progress on this. I could add a lot of detail here, but here’s the bottom line: What if after going more alpha and setting frame, the husband is the one who is not interested. this is the… Read more »

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