For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
BDM – welcome to the TRM Field Reports section. We need some new blood especially since @j and @palma recently left. As far as your situation goes, I think you did well. If you genuinely didn’t want the girl and lost interest in her and told her to leave or whatever – then that’s congruent to yourself and you’re being authentic to your desires. No need to force it or do something you don’t want to do. However, there is a balance – you shouldn’t use that as an excuse or a buffer to avoid “doing the work” and getting… Read more »
@Culum Thanks for the response. I get what you are saying. I don’t mean to say my Game is at the zenith and I have no room for improvement. I have faced LMR many times before and have overcome it sometimes on the next date. Here I felt it was more of a frame grab than just LMR. She was trying to play the Game of having everything according to her timelines and convenience. This girl is elder than me she is 31 and I am 27 and all I wanted with her was sex and possibly a fuckbuddy arrangement… Read more »
BDM
As she was epiphany stage woman I suspect this
“asked her to come over to my place and asked her to bring some wine and that I would whip up something to eat and we could watch something.”
Boyfriend kind of beta behavior triggered her ASD. So not LMR as much as ASD. Her comments about respecting her timeline and your feeling a frame grab support this as well.
She saw a chance to pivot to boyfriend.
@BDM Yes, there should a balance between doing what you want how you want it and learning that you just plow through it your way and the reality resists. Calibration. Need to learn how to read subtle cues and that you cause many of that. I think your issue with this specific girl started before your FR. First, she’s 31 so her hamster tests harder for that alpha and beta clarity. By definition. She’s running out of time, you know. Throwing a spanner in the works to find out how you handle it is part of the deal. Second, you… Read more »
@Sentient
As she was epiphany stage woman I suspect this
“asked her to come over to my place and asked her to bring some wine and that I would whip up something to eat and we could watch something.”
Boyfriend kind of beta behavior triggered her ASD.
Not necessarily, not on its own. @Palma and ThinMan do it and it’s not an issue per se. There are other factors that have set the trajectory of this interaction. The dinner date setting might not be colored in @BDM’s favor rather as a consequence.
Tinder checklist
https://m.imgur.com/a/fG4oVn3
@ culum sentient IRL Thanks for the feedback guys. But I thought I had to build at least a bit of comfort to get the lay. Besides she was not a bitchy shit testing girl, she was more of a shy and compliant girl from the beginning so I presumed at least without some comfort and making her feel that I want her and that she is just not another notch on my bedpost. On our first date she even said “How many girls do you do this to each month. This appears to be so natural to you, you… Read more »
BDM
This will be good to tap into. Mystery said “the game is won or lost in comfort”.
There is a fine line between comfort enough to bang and comfort enough to make her think you are boyfriend material.
“On our first date she even said “How many girls do you do this to each month. This appears to be so natural to you, you are not even a bit nervous”. ”
What did you say here?
@BDM I thought I had to build at least a bit of comfort to get the lay. Well… “the game is played in comfort”… And yet you should know her level of attraction and compliance before you move things to comfort and seduction. So what was that level? Did you tease her a bit and let her close the space just before the make out? Did she comply with your requests at your place? If you can’t sense these things, consciously introduce little compliance tests. They’ll serve as both a diagnostic tool and a compliance/escalation ladder (this is why girls… Read more »
Good discussion here. BDM – yes, you need some comfort, but less than most men think. And the more aroused and horny she is, the less comfort you need (although you still need some). But most men vastly overestimate how much comfort is needed – of course you can lose a lay by not doing enough comfort, but most men lose lays for the opposite reason. Also, note that Mystery wanted girls to be obsessed with him and have MLTRs and fall in love with him etc. If all you want to do is get laid quickly, comfort is less… Read more »
I don’t disagree at all with inviting over to cook gambit… it’s all the lead up that IRL is pointing to in concert with that + the frame grab shit tests. An “unfolding” of BF desire so to speak. Possible. This ” my usual answer to the “are you a player”” I suspect is a big part of laying the groundwork. Curious to know BDM’s response. Also keep in mind Thin Man and Pure Evil liked a two/three date model because they also hated LMR. I think in the current “slayer” BS meme stuff that a lot is lost in… Read more »
https://imgur.com/a/aIftkLe
Online dating is absolute crap for below avg looking guys ( 2 more girls flaked and now this one on tinder with the height crap )
I think I’ll have to grow some balls and do some cold approach IRL 😀
@Stefan
I think I’ll have to grow some balls and do some cold approach IRL
But you won’t… because you’re not even remotely close to doing this:
Note: doing things in front of a screen ISN’T taking action.
@Stefan Stefan: You look like trouble Her: Hahaha really? How so maybe you are ‘mr wrong’ Stefan: Yeah, I just don’t know if you are the good kind of trouble or the bad Her: Well explain what would be the good or the bad kind so I can tell you Stefan: I will leave the explanation for when we meet ;). You free on Tuesday? This is good. You spike, are playful, leave enough ambiguity, lead. Her: Haha ooh okay, not Tuesday but possibly Thursday evening Her: Where are you from? She doesn’t say no and yet pushes it back… Read more »
Married 24 years, both Christians, two sons – both solid masculine men, both graduated college. Wife and I were/are both high school coaches. Now different vocations for each of us. Still coaching. Reading through the RP articles here & on Reddit, I realize I’ve abdicated some of my masculinity the past five years or so. So, the next part I write realizing it may be more me than her, so I’m open to that reality. Sex has always been a point of contention, bargaining, manipulation, frustration. Wife diagnosed with cancer, destroys her insides, now recovered, 4 years from the initial… Read more »
@IRL You are right. ( i just don’t see myself cold approaching. ) I am doing one thing though, i m gymmaxxing like crazy ( lots of volume, deadlifting,squatting,etc ), currently on creatine and bulking, then will cut in the spring/summer. I really hope that would help, so i could avoid cold approach. I just need something to get a girl interested in a sexual relationship, once i have that, will need some game to keep her interested, correct ? Yeah the first bit with looking like trouble and good kind bad kind i found online but have difficulty continuing… Read more »
@IRL “Her: How tall are you? Ok so here she grabs the steering wheel again and asks another interview/qualifying question. Which is a classic shit test too. And you fail. Stefan: 5’7. You? How would you approach it differently than with a dry logical answer?” I have no idea lol. People always make fun of my lack of imagination and tendency to be completely straightforward and logical, this is why i need text game book/guide. I really don’t know what i could say here without sounding upset/angry with her or just plain. Maybe ask her why she wants to know… Read more »
Btw i forgot to mention, the whole time she was quick to reply, once i mentioned the height, she went silent, now its been more than a day and still nothing from her. She hasn’t unmatched me yet, though. What do you think i should text her now? Any way to sort this out?
@Drew Married 24 years, both Christians, two sons – both solid masculine men, both graduated college. Wife and I were/are both high school coaches. Now different vocations for each of us. Still coaching. Reading through the RP articles here & on Reddit, I realize I’ve abdicated some of my masculinity the past five years or so. So, the next part I write realizing it may be more me than her, so I’m open to that reality. great self-analysis… that’s usually what happens… girls don’t change, they just react to their environment… Sex has always been a point of contention, bargaining,… Read more »
Drew
welcome…
Let’s clear up a few things, baseline…
“Married 24 years”
Ok but…
“Sex has always been a point of contention, bargaining, manipulation, frustration. “
This issue has been around looooong before cancer…
So while this is undoubtedly true
“I realize I’ve abdicated some of my masculinity the past five years or so. “
It is not the root cause. Approach your reconstruction from this point of view.
On illness, cancer whatever it is… Guys will go super beta, well intentioned of course, but women don’t react well to these things. Cats are not dogs.
Drew
and routines are important.
Making talking to women who aren’t your wife a routine.
@Stefan +1 on IRL’s analysis… this girl (and most girls online) is basically in validation seeking mode… that’s just what happens (their default mode is BB algo) when girls interact online so much… and why cold approach is better… @IRL You are right. ( i just don’t see myself cold approaching. ) the question is – why are you embarrassed about who you are?… really feeel that FI hand on your shoulder… I am doing one thing though, i m gymmaxxing like crazy ( lots of volume, deadlifting,squatting,etc ), currently on creatine and bulking, then will cut in the spring/summer.… Read more »
Date: 12/8/2019 Sets Open: 6+ Closes: 4 (2 female, 2 male *not gay, but expanding a business) Farthest Phase: C3 (intimacy) Goal: Observe hypergamy in action and use to my advantage whenever possible. Practice false time constraints, canned game and natural game. Limit drinking to bare minimum (1 drink per hour at most with plenty of water). Game Strategy • You’re adorable, it’s sickening: Combo IOI and IOD. Opens sets well but you have to deliver with really soft and cocky funny tonality. Deliver with a big smile and shut up and observe your response. You’ll like what you see.… Read more »
@Drew So, my realizations to this point are to get back to doing what I asked my teams to do (and what I did myself): discipline yourself so no one else has to and routines are important. Physical, Spiritual, Emotional (friends gathering). This is a good starting point – to help you achieve your goals that you may care about as a man. But hypergamy doesn’t care. Being disciplined doesn’t make you attractive and seductive. You should learn the language of seduction. How to be playful. How to use shit tests to your advantage. How to make women giggle and… Read more »
@having a bad day “the question is – why are you embarrassed about who you are?… ” Not embarrased per se, but I find it hard to belive in myself and I end up second guessing myself quite often. ” how much work do you have to put in before you ‘earn’ that girl?… serious question… and when is it enough?… when you can squat double body weight?… cut to 5% body fat?… etc… ” Funny you should say that, my target for squat is 2x bodyweght lol , I am not too far off ( around 1.7x now )… Read more »
@Stefan @having a bad day “the question is – why are you embarrassed about who you are?… ” Not embarrased per se, but but… I find it hard to belive in myself and I end up second guessing myself quite often. ya… that’s a learned behavior… and if (when) you want to change that, you need to flip the switch and do it… THEN you can practice getting better at it… but there is a cause/effect issue in play here… and it’s NEVER going to FEEL ‘safe’… that’s the FI in play… ” how much work do you have to… Read more »
Stefan You are right. ( i just don’t see myself cold approaching. ) I am doing one thing though, i m gymmaxxing like crazy ( lots of volume, deadlifting,squatting,etc ), currently on creatine and bulking, then will cut in the spring/summer. I really hope that would help, so i could avoid cold approach. You are expecting to become so jacked that women run cold approach on you? That’s not going to work. When you think you are seeing girls doing that, it just means you’ve missed most of the interaction. There is no substitute for cold approach. Sooner or later,… Read more »
@ Anonymous Reader I am aware women will never approach me, jacked or not( i don’t have the height and/or face ) . Plus i can’t get jacked jacked, i am natty, maybe in future might try some gear, but not yet. I mean for tinder, bumble,etc. I have a friend who is into photography and can take some pics from good anglesz etc and touch them up a bit in photoshop ( not make muscles bigger lol, nothing like that, just a bit of colour etc ). @having a bad day I think i get what you are saying.… Read more »
New Finnish government is a coalition of 5 women-led parties, the Prime Minister is 34 (and 4 out of the 5 women are in their 30s and actually bangable which is insane for politicians – PM is actually cute). I wonder what kind of policies they are going to be following in leading the country.. PS – Stefan man, you’re getting great advice, but speaking as a guy who hammered online dating into the ground and had a fuckton of lays from it – just go out and talk to a real girl. And then do it again and keep… Read more »
@Stefan Why did you delete this part: Gym is my final cope, if it doesn’t work out i will have to seriously rethink my life about what to do next. That’s like the crux of your problem. You ignore every single helpful comment and cling to any possible gym and online gimmick. This will cost you months if not years of more fucked up mental habits. You can’t avoid interacting with girls face to face. Let’s save you some time and fast forward to the inevitable: you do need to seriously rethink your life. There. Now move on. Do the… Read more »
Another example of being social:
Jump to 5:04 for the pattern, then to 10:49 for a summary. But most of all see how it looks like in his infield and just do it yourself.
@IRL
I deleted it cuz it sounded stupid and same as those blackpillers say ( i have stopped posting and reading their forums just recently )
I am taking everyone’s advice regarding online dating and game and texting.
@Stefan
I am taking everyone’s advice regarding online dating and game and texting.
Exactly my point. The advice is to talk to strangers instead of wasting time on Tinder.
“What i like about doing online instead of cold approach is . . .”
. . . I don’t actually have to face a girl.
…. If you take in 10000 calories a day, lift really, really heavy with compound movements ( you’re going to get injuries from time to time ), you will get jacked and strong beyond your wildest dreams. Strength breeds confidence. Lol, I don’t know why exactly. But that’s at minimum a five year plan. Never ever do that for women. Everyone that wants success has to do the heavy lifting of talking to women, consistently every single day. Not texting. Not online. Face to face interactions all day long. Talk to 4’s, 5’s, all the way up to 8’s and… Read more »
Stefan I am aware women will never approach me, jacked or not( i don’t have the height and/or face ) . Women will not cold approach any man, because that’s not what women do. Looks / build / clothes / has zero to do with it. That “looksism” crap has messed up your mindset, you need to erase it from your thinking. When you think you see one or more girls doing a cold approach you missed something, you failed to completely observe the interaction. Probably beginning with eye contact, maybe even from across the room, then some body language… Read more »
Blaximus Lol, it only super handsome, 6’4″ muscular dudes could get women, the world population would probably be 1 billion in total, and lots of nations would have never even existed at all. The average US man is something like 5’9″ tall. That’s 1.75 meters. Height is very heritable, sons tend to be as tall or taller than their fathers. So as Blax says, if only 6’4″ (1.93 meter) men ever got women, what would that mean for average height? Pretty tall. Not what we see. So….stop obsessing about looks and stuff, and concentrate on mindset. This nerdy argument brought… Read more »
@Stefan @ Anonymous Reader I am aware women will never approach me, jacked or not( i don’t have the height and/or face ) . Plus i can’t get jacked jacked, i am natty, maybe in future might try some gear, but not yet. I mean for tinder, bumble,etc. I have a friend who is into photography and can take some pics from good anglesz etc and touch them up a bit in photoshop ( not make muscles bigger lol, nothing like that, just a bit of colour etc ). why would this be important?… serious question… (you need to understand… Read more »
@IRL great videos on being social!… Do the 400 approaches challenge and start with learning how to be social. Like this: +1… Another example of being social: Jump to 5:04 for the pattern, then to 10:49 for a summary. But most of all see how it looks like in his infield and just do it yourself. that breakdown was Sperg-tastic!!! ™ …lol @Stefan just gotta put in the effort (= ‘do the work’)… and WHY is having fun and socializing with random people seeming like it’s this big overwhelming task?… serious question… get THAT out on the table to look… Read more »
Michael Aaron Great FR. Good example of just going out and putting some knowledge to work. And guess what? It works right? Stefan, Aaron’s FR is just an extrapolation of that guy in Austin saying hey – just adds in some game knowledge and leading. Concur with the others, get offline amd start opening like that guy in Austin. Be outcome independent. Just get used to this stage – your voice – projection and tone, your posture and eye contact. No stress. Simple “hey” . BTW that simple hey is also one of the best ever openers for when you… Read more »
“Concur with the others, get offline amd start opening like that guy in Austin. Be outcome independent. Just get used to this stage – your voice – projection and tone, your posture and eye contact. No stress. Simple “hey”” I don’t disagree. And that’s too blithe for Stefan. And Truth is Reality… Stefan, everyone can easily see through your ego defenses. Which are patently obvious in Rollo’s essay: Buffers, Buffers, Buffers… https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/26/buffers/ …experience teaches harsh, but it teaches best. Rejection, real, raw, in your face rejection stings like a bitch. It must be something so intolerable that human beings will… Read more »
@Michael Aaron This is great. As Sentient said, good on you for taking action and doing it systematically (and doing it well). Tell us more about you. Nothing personally identifiable – but age, previous sexual experience, previous Game experience, broad location, Game goals etc. Overall I think you did great and you noticed most of the key points yourself. It’s mostly a question of keeping it up and going forward. Kudos for actually reading Mystery Method and applying it. I’s a big part of the reason why you noticed so much and did so well. Most guys these days don’t… Read more »
Will a woman ever cold approach a man? She does. It’s happened to me before. It’s not an everyday occurrence but honestly it’s because I don’t go out every day. Putting a great big warm, soft, fuzzy coat of “don’t look at this further” just sets up the dive bar bitch-fit later on. Guys don’t want to get “laid” anymore than girls just want to “have fun”. We’re both looking to fuck our way into a better life-habitus. At least that’s what the modern degenerates are doing. Every guy wishes he was better. He doesn’t want to be better so… Read more »
Women 100% DO approach men lol. (typically it won’t be the 10’s, though, although my very handsome buddy gets opened a few times per night by fairly hot girls (7’s?) and just needs to not completely fuck up in order to get laid tbh)
It is what it is.
Alexis Yollo Well what AR said wasn’t that women wont approach, it’s that they will after you’ve missed all of her approach invites. “When you think you see one or more girls doing a cold approach you missed something, you failed to completely observe the interaction. Probably beginning with eye contact, maybe even from across the room, then some body language / subcommunications, along with some Display of Higher Value and then the move is made. All of these are elements of Game.” I’ve had women open me, from everything from “nice shirt” to coming over and just start rubbing… Read more »
The next step up from standing around and hoping a woman will come open you is the “IOI Hunter” where you won’t make a move until you get some obvious IOI. IOI Hunters can have some success, but again it is with being the chosen, not the chooser. and you are still going to need Game to convert those IOIs into sex.
So just start at the end stage – learn the Game you will need upfront. Then you will have all the tools in your bag to take advantage of all opportunities.
FieldReport – posted at reddit but wanna compare feedback First set was on 2 young girls sitting at a table at a cocktail bar. There was a girl dressed as santa claus behind them and I opened the girls with some stupid comment like ”Do you think that’s the real santa claus?’. One of the girls smiled and answered and we bantered briefly about the open, and the other one looked angry lol. I introduced myself and said that they looked interesting and wanted to meet them and threw in a false time constraint. I made a cold read on… Read more »
Bronson
To get consistent results you need to have a consistent approach. I suggest you tear down your game knowledge and start from scratch. Understand MM and then replay these interations via that understanding.
You are coming across as a guy who has some issues understanding social cues who has a smattering of disparate game knowledge that he’s flinging around like monkey shit, with a whiff of lookretardism holding it all up.
@bronson Girls don’t tell you to f-off from the get go because you don’t seem to be an uncalibrated creep. You actually work for that status each time lol Look. You don’t know when to leave because you don’t recognize social cues. And because you don’t recognize them, you don’t calibrate in the first place. Which means you dig yourself into a social hole each time you plow through. You don’t really know where you are in each interaction. This is a massive DLV. I suggest you take a few steps back and start light. Work on foundations, improve the… Read more »
Shoulda been clearer. I certainly recognised the social cues lol. They wanted me to leave the second I opened! (well, with the exception of the older, married women) haha. It’s more that i was trying to plow and assume attraction/stick in set. Hit them with attraction material. I now see that that was likely a mistake and I’d be better of ejecting more or less instantly and approaching more until I stumble across the girls that are receptive(attracted). Basically though, that’s the same advice as ‘seddit’ gave (eject if they aren’t attracted and concentrate on finding the girls that are)… Read more »
Bronson “Basically though, that’s the same advice as ‘seddit’ gave (eject if they aren’t attracted and concentrate on finding the girls that are) ” That is 100% not the advice you’ve been given here. Your believing it is the same as seddit is a big part of the problem you seem to be having. You are out, in the field trying. Which is great (cough Stefan) but wouldn’t you rather try the right way? With a solid foundation to build on? Or keep slinging that monkey shit around and revert to “she didn’t like my look” Bullshit. Choice is yours.… Read more »
Bronson
Proper calibration, understanding the ACS and IOI/IOD models will eliminate rejections. Pretty good understanding and calibration will eliminate 80% of them.
Because you wont be escalating at the wrong moment. And this consistent and repeatable.
@Bronson ***First set was on 2 young girls sitting at a table at a cocktail bar. A few notes for you as a newbie to game: Don’t open two-sets. Why make life harder for yourself? This is an advanced form of Game that Mystery talks about in detail but requires a higher degree of confidence otherwise you look like this first twat: As for your field report, it’s ok but it’s hard to critique because there’s not structure to your approach. I highly recommend you review the Mystery Method or Krauser’s model or the London Daygame Model, get the approach… Read more »
@bronson Have you looked into RSD instead of mysteryrmethod? Your approach on the married girls where they liked you reads more like ‘natrual game’ and it seemingly worked better so maybe stick with that style of game instead ?. However, from an MM point of view. ”There was a girl dressed as santa claus behind them and I opened the girls with some stupid comment like ”Do you think that’s the real santa claus?’” indirect, so good, but maybe go with an opinion opener. Try ‘who lies more. Men or women??” ” I introduced myself and said that they looked… Read more »
wentworth Have you looked into RSD instead of mysteryrmethod? RSD is just a variation on MM, and not that big a variation. But if the vids make more sense to Bronson, he should watch them. Reading Bronson’s FR is painful, because most likely he is lacking confidence and has minimal calibration. This comes out in his posture, his bearing, his vocal tonalities, his hand gestures, his facial expression – his subcommunications are all wonked up. In real life a majority of communication is not speech, and that is a big part of social interaction. “Inner Game” is a real thing,… Read more »
RSD is just a variation on MM, and not that big a variation. RSD Game, So-Called Natural Game (state based attraction) is VERY different from Mystery Method. A huge variation. These guys were getting crazy reactions off of this. The timeline of all game is the same – see the chick – plan or not plan – step up correctly – first lines – she reacts or she doesn’t – you handle her reaction or non-reaction attraction happens – this is the special sauce for every method handle her problems, relationships, logistics, obstacles, competition get to know her a bit… Read more »
@bronson Ok then, let’s zoom in. Just one set though. First set was on 2 young girls sitting at a table at a cocktail bar. See @walawala’s comment. What do you expect to happen when you approach a 2-set? If you’re not planning a threesome (or at least not leaving the other girl on her own) then what exactly is your game plan here? Noticing social cues starts before you open. There was a girl dressed as santa claus behind them and I opened the girls with some stupid comment like ”Do you think that’s the real santa claus?’. Nice.… Read more »
Nice breakdown Archie.
Just one comment: when boys here say MM they mean the underlying process, not necessarily Mystery’s game flavor/style. That’s why there’s a disconnect between the TRM FR crowd and other sites where MM means specific techniques.
The way the MM book is written doesn’t help the case.
When’s yours coming out?!
@AR ”RSD is just a variation on MM, and not that big a variation. ” @WIA “RSD Game is VERY different from Mystery Method. A huge variation” I agree with WIA. RSD style game is so different in almost every way that they’re largely incomparable. Without seeing Bronsons ”vibe’, technically her ran RSD’s style game ‘correctly’. Yet if he was trying to run MM style game, it was obviously ‘wrong’. Technically it’s basically impossible to run RSD style game wrong in terms of words on a screen. ‘What you say doesn’t even matter’. Classic RSD phrase. There’s no ‘order’ in… Read more »
Just got back from the club and had two shareable events happen to me. First I spent about 20 minutes dancing with a girl and offered her a drink, as soon as she got the drink she went to another guy and danced and went home with him. Don’t waste you time and money on a woman until they have proven that they value you as their house priority alpha male. Second, a girl i met a few weeks ago who said she was dating (and still is, but is an LDR since the other guy goes to an out… Read more »
Reading it again, you were basically running Todd Valentine style game. I can see that you ‘disqualified’ in order to build attraction in a set where you could tell she wasn’t attracted. As well as cold reads and some other todd lines etc. Looks like you also threw in some MM routines? (bit of a mishmash) Thing is, that’s just not how it works despite what the books tell you. Todd gets rejected a tonne too (as does mystery etc) so don’t feel too bad. In fact, even some of his apparent recent ‘pulls’ from his product look like smoke… Read more »
@philconnors Technically it’s basically impossible to run RSD style game wrong in terms of words on a screen. […] Most things in an RSD infield are completely wrong in terms of mm Let’s not get carried away. By this logic Mystery’s game is purely verbal with no magnetism vs. words/language don’t matter and everything works in RSD’s style of game. Go and test that in the field. (Inb4 how many girls did Max pull consistently without saying a word?) RSD style game is so different in almost every way that they’re largely incomparable. Damn, if only there was a point… Read more »
infield:
Good for him. He ran into a girl that was looking to fuck and she pulled him.
All he had to do was he there, interact and not fuck it up.
Lol, she even handled logistics and transportation.
Girl game.
@ Culum Struan @ Sentient Thank you both for the feedback. Greatly appreciated and trust me I’m just getting started. Addressing your points below: Sentient says: Great FR. Good example of just going out and putting some knowledge to work. And guess what? It works right? Mike replies: Hard yes. I feel like I discovered trp and pickup a few years ago so I was conscious of it when i go out but never set out to really apply it/ learn it/ observe behaviors in actual interaction. I’m diving in now with more intent- bc why not -so im excited… Read more »
vs what it looks like with a ‘no girl’! lol
Thanks for everyone’s replies. Yeah, it was cringey, but I was just trying to stick in there and apply what i’d learnt. (plowing. meeting her lack of interest with my own lack of interest through negs and teases and aloof body language. Cold reads instead of asking questions. DHV etc. All kinds of things like that) edit: holy shit. That Todd vid! That’s literally what some of my sets were like! I feel better now, tbh! Pro’s are no more successful than me when it comes to girls that aren’t interested! I’ve had some very mixed advice from reddit compared… Read more »
Pro’s are no more successful than me when it comes to girls that aren’t interested! There are videos of these pro’s defanging vipers and taming tigers. In sales, it’s called dealing with objections. I had one on my site where Todd fucked up royally by claiming to be from NYC and the chick was actually from NYC. There’s no way he could have know that was an issue as a transplant. He recovered by staying in there and handling the chick’s objections. Feisty chicks are usually the most fun. If a girl just lays down the second you say something… Read more »
That Todd rejection video was great. Not because it is an example of No girls (retarded) or good pick up. Personally i hate Todd’s “you look adorable” approach, though in the past he’s done a lot more technical game. Not sure when this was from. It’s a great example though of practicing. Of putting in The Work ™. Of frame control and standing up to social pressure. That was what almost 5 minutes of massive negative social pressure? In most interactions you are going to win this kind of frame battle in a couple of minutes. And he was winning… Read more »
And Todd wad a Project Hollywood guy so he knows better.
@Michael Aaron Hope you had a good night/nights out this weekend. Keep going out regularly and stick around here and post field reports and you’ll soon be achieving all your goals and more. Re: threesomes – that is a good question actually. Mine have been in the context of swingers clubs so I don’t consider them “proper” threesomes. And strangely enough I can’t think of a good guide for them – I’ve read and seen so much Game material I can usually think of a good source. I have a vague memory of reading about threesomes stuff in Mystery Method,… Read more »
Both Todd and Bronson showed lack of social awareness. You should know very soon whether you have a shot or not.
Like IRL said ”You don’t know when to leave because you don’t recognize social cues.”
Todd Should have known in seconds. As everyone should
Aaron +1 to Culum’s advice “It’s ALWAYS better to try and go for the lay on the night (or day) when you meet a girl, when the attraction and energy are strong. When she leaves your presence it fades. Now in practice you will often have to take numbers, but just remember that the number is not a goal in itself. The lay that night is the goal and the number is only a backup if a lay that night doesn’t work.” I was going to make the same point. Your Game skills will vastly improve if you push your… Read more »
Wentworth
Come on.. Don’t confuse “putting down film” what they do IRL. Lol.
If Todd had won them over and banged them all the video would be titled “10 Minutes to Foursome!”
That Todd vid made it to reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ea7z3d/what_happens_when_a_pro_pua_meets_a_no_girl/
The uploader has turned the comments of now, though? Shame. They were quite funny. People like ‘Addy A game, UK PUA from Glasgow got jailed for 2 years for less than that!!”haha
@Culum
“Where’s HABD when he’s needed??”
busy…lol
got a huge project due this week…
i have time to scan/read but that’s about it.
re threesome
it’s not hard to understand… if you or IRL can find that video yareally put up keys to the vip ( or something like that) where the girl beats out her sl*tty friends, i’ll explain it.
but it’ll be next week sometime…
good luck!
Field Report Date: Friday Dec 13 2019 Sets Opened: 4+ (two x 4 sets, two x 3 mixed sets) Closes: 2 Farthest Phase: A2 – Female to Male Attraction Goal: Observe hypergamy in action and use to advantage whenever possible, practice canned and natural material and observe results, practice finding a target and approaching the target/ group, accomplish SNL. Game Strategy Adorable its sickening Girl fight Kino test Best friends test Your nose wrinkles Something in your hair You walked right past me… Jealous ex gambit Opinion openers Situational openers #close/ * close Abstract Another Friday evening out at the… Read more »
@Michael Aaron Great stuff again and good FR too – good reflection on what went well/could have improved. Main feedback is just keep it up. Second overarching point: next time, start observing the girls more closely. Both words and body language (incl eye contact) and reactions to you. Try and include a sentence or two about each girl’s subcomms in response to you, in your FR., Some specific points: Good opener with the “I’m offended” line. For the lookism types reading this, this line works because @Michael Aaron has good subcomms and social skills – NOT his looks. Good reflection… Read more »
I’m glad guys buy dances. I’ve watched dudes drop thousands in the club and go home blue balling.
But I’d get tips from strippers ( usually a percentage) so I encouraged dudes to get dances.
Michael Aaron great stuff again. Your instincts are good and your awareness is very good. Just need to keep the entire process in mind – chess not checkers – and start working deeper into the phases – A3 – C1, locking in, bouncing intra venue, isolation, kino ladder etc… You want to at least “see” yourself moving through A-C-S upfront, so you cant start to work the game a few moves in advance. But great start. I’m hanging out at the bar with my 3 friends (2M 1F) Good, social proof. At that thought I got myself into movement and… Read more »
This is my post from the “Playing-Friends”-Article: I think you’re right in general, but I wonder which way might be the best approach to escape the friendzone in which cases. @Rollo I think your idea is nice, I truly do, but I’m whondering if the suggestions of @anon and @Otter Barnes may no be better in may case. Here the two ideas: @Otter Barnes “My preferred response to LJBF is to put my arm around her shoulder, pull her inward, look her in the eyes, and say, “Friendship is all that I want.” Then I put my hand on the… Read more »
@Wondering, welcome to the Field Reports section. Tell us a bit more about yourself so that we can tailor the advice better to you – nothing personally identifiable, but age, previous sexual experience etc (also country if you’re comfortable revealing it – presumably Europe somewhere). I don’t agree with the “Otter Barnes” advice that you copied and posted from the other thread. It will only work if the girl is already attracted to you and sees you as high-value and is using “LJBF” to avoid giving in to temptation (maybe because she has a boyfriend or if it would be… Read more »
Thank you very much for the fast answer and the friendly welcome. She’ll realize that I did it on purpose, because I’m a very reliable person. That’ll make her wonder why I made it on purpose and it may even shock her in some way because it makes me unpredictable. It’s better to stand her up because we’ll end the non-relationship on my terms, and she’ll be in my frame. I led her right from the start, told her to meet me and have the courage to tell me the truth and I wasn’t afraid to make her angry by… Read more »
Does it make a difference for the future not to be officially rejected but standing her up? (that was what I meant, when I wrote “talk”)
And of course, it is better for myself to stand her up, because, by doing it, I ensure for myself that I already don’t care for her anymore.
That’s the most important point about it.
@Wondering – good answer. Yes, that’s basically it. There are some additional nuances to it, but you’ve got the key point. Basically it means you are acting in your frame and from your “Mental Point of Origin” – you’re doing what you want, not doing something because she will like it. It also means that a girl who is sure she has you figured out and knows that she “has” you at her disposal is suddenly not sure. It makes her doubt herself, it makes her wonder about you, it makes her think about you more – all good things.… Read more »
[FR] On Trains, Without Plantains I did around 8 sets last night, I’m focusing on two because I think they’re indicative of my main sticking points. I see a cute girl(8) in a conductor’s cap. She’s with four other girlfriends. tap tap “Hi I’m Hubble” She’s immediately interested, happy to see me but not seriously attracted. My initial approach is friendly, not intentful. She won’t tell me her name, I can’t remember her response. Actually I can’t remember the next minute of the conversation. I probably did some kind of group introduction. At some point I say Me: “Do you… Read more »
Date: 12/17/2019 Goal: Go out to bar solo, open as many sets as possible, keep alcohol consumption to a minimum, have fun. Strategy: Be bold, be masculine, be excellent Results Sets opened: 3+ Farthest Phase: A3/ C1 Abstract I went out solo this night for the first time. It was different and I was very out of my element. Truthfully, the thought of going out solo made me uncomfortable. I knew it was something I need to learn. I went out with the objective of just opening and having some fun. The bar was a bar that I was familiar… Read more »
@Culum Struan Thank you very much once again for your help. May I write her something like: “sorry, I forgot und I won’t make it?” (add the information, that I won’t come anymore?) I’vbe been wondering about the case that I may be wrong and she wants to tell me something else which might – in my opinion – lead to the following two cases: 1) Some of her friends or she herself will text me the other reason when I’m not responding (they might even write me if she wanted to friendzone me, because she will tell then and… Read more »
Once again without the spelling mistakes (sorry for that!): @Culum Struan Thank you very much once again for your help. May I write her something like: “sorry, I forgot und I won’t make it?” (add the information, that I won’t come anymore?) I’ve been wondering about the case that I may be wrong, and she wants to tell me something else which might – in my opinion – lead to the following two cases: 1) Some of her friends or she herself will text me the other reason when I’m not responding (they might even write it to me if… Read more »
@Wondering – my main feedback here is that you are thinking about this too much. A man who has abundance (lots of women in his life) simply does not think so much about one woman and her reactions and what to do with her – he has too many options. This level of thinking about the situation is itself a sign that you are too emotionally invested in this woman. That’s okay here in the TRM comments – I already knew you were too invested in this woman emotionally – but it’s a habit to break. I’m not suggesting you… Read more »
@Outis and @Hubble – great Field Reports both. No time to post much now till after Christmas, but will come back and respond in a few days hopefully unless Sentient or others have beaten me to it.
Field Report 12/20/2019 Sets Opened: 6+ Farthest Phase: C2 Objectives: Go out solo, Open as many sets as possible. Maintain my frame (I am the prize to be won), Build sexual tension with my targets, Keep alcohol consumption to minimum (1 drink per hour with plenty of water), Have fun. Abstract I’m writing this up right after a field report from my first solo night out and what a difference has been made. One word of advice- please don’t let your limiting beliefs get the better of you. Get out of your comfort zone as much as possible. That’s where… Read more »
@Culum Struan Thank you very much, I think that you’re right about everything you wrote, thank you very much for your advice, I’ll read the posts of the other posters mentioned by you, too. I hope you and your family had a happy X-Mas! I’m sry, I don’t want to steal the attention from Outis Nohbdy’s and Hubblenobbin’s field reports – is there a section for discussions about general strategies here on TheRationalMale? (Because this is a general question to all PUAs here: I was wondering why not to friendzone her first: I’m really sorry, if she may have had… Read more »
Wondering.
Stop. Stop wondering. Forget about this girl. Forget abkut friendzoning. Learn some Game and go cold approach other girls and try to bang them. Repeat.
Anyone here from the UK? I’d love to meet and hang out with someone who is red pilled.
“Anyone here from the UK? I’d love to meet and hang out with someone who is red pilled.”–Andros I’ve hung out with quite a few red pilled men in real life. (and would you believe me if I said I only need a handful at any one time…) But only after vetting them prior for their words and actions. So called “red pill” men are a disparate group. And one might not want to spend precious time if he didn’t resonate with you and you with him. I can tell you this from reference experience. And so could one of… Read more »
Happy New Year, FR Section 🙂 Thanks as usual to those who helped me. @Rollo of course! Thanks for hosting this. I was looking forward to meeting you in person in 2019. Then, in alphabetical order. @Blax, thanks for the help in previous situations and recently about the situation with my wife. @Culum, great analysis, and pushing me to invest a bit in cryptocurrency. @HABD, for the many laughs and consistently great analysis which really resonates with me. @IRL, great analysis, an inspiration back when I wanted to turn the marriage around, and a nickname similar to mine. @Palma, good… Read more »
IAS
Luv ya btuh, happy New year!!
IAS is a bona fide pussy wrangler now… Way to go hoss.
At the start of the year my ex broke up with me (long story), but it was the end of a 6 year relationship. I’m 28 now, and I for sure didn’t have my priorities straight. I focused on this relationship over my career, and after the breakup I was in a lonely dark place. Anyway, I moved state and have been redpilling myself slowly over the year and I’m now halfway through year 4 (started at year 1). It is scary shit how accurate so much of it is to my experience in the real world. Anyway, I have… Read more »