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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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Happy New Year, FR Section Thanks as usual to those who helped me. @Rollo of course! Thanks for hosting this. I was looking forward to meeting you in person in 2019. Then, in alphabetical order. @Blax, thanks for the help in previous situations and recently about the situation with my wife. @Culum, great analysis, and pushing me to invest a bit in cryptocurrency. @HABD, for the many laughs and consistently great analysis which really resonates with me. @IRL, great analysis, an inspiration back when I wanted to turn the marriage around, and a nickname similar to mine. @Palma, good ideas… Read more »

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IAS

Luv ya btuh, happy New year!!

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IAS is a bona fide pussy wrangler now… Way to go hoss.
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At the start of the year my ex broke up with me (long story), but it was the end of a 6 year relationship. I’m 28 now, and I for sure didn’t have my priorities straight. I focused on this relationship over my career, and after the breakup I was in a lonely dark place. Anyway, I moved state and have been redpilling myself slowly over the year and I’m now halfway through year 4 (started at year 1). It is scary shit how accurate so much of it is to my experience in the real world. Anyway, I have… Read more »

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AnonDUDE I wrote a reply much earlier today before some of the other replies and without thinking very clearly. So just consider it a riff on some topics. Also know that I’m fairly biased towards LTR’s and marriage. Because I like it that way, and I like mine. There is nothing wrong with non-monogamy or serial monogamy or LTR’s. It all depends. So don’t be deciding ahead of time. Your head is spinning. How you are speaking is as if you have a lot of noise in your head. So you are speaking in a lot of binaries and have… Read more »

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@IAS my man – thanks for the wishes – happy new year to everyone! It’s a good community over here at TRM FRs – we’re getting some new joiners too! Now if only @j and @Palma would come back…

I’m going to be a lot more active in the FR section in the second half of this year when I’m done with my training and back at home.

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@AnonDUDE Replying to your second message on the other thread. Okay, so things are better than I expected with the additional details. You’re absolutely right that we look at what women do, not what they say. The facts that she paid the first bill and she kissed you first (plus the “epic sex” since then) is a good indication that she does like you. So that’s good. As far as seeing other women goes, the real issue is that you should not stop seeing other women to keep this girl happy or because you think it will get you points… Read more »

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@Everyone: question regarding my wife (we live apart and legally our finances are separated already). Since I last discussed this issue (if you care, about 3 months ago – link) https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-133/#comment-281958 I told my wife those months ago it wasn’t working for me and we should split. She became obsessed with me having sex with others and when staying here at my place the last few times (we didn’t bang because I avoided it) she was in detective mode finding hairs etc., which frankly I didn’t even particularly bother hiding. It was almost funny, and a bit sad as well.… Read more »

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“Something else that didn’t occur to me?”

Hmmmm. How about just moving forward NOW with the divorce and avoiding all the other questions which really don’t matter. You want it. Why drag it out further. File, serve do whatever procedure you need to do to make it legal.

And move on.

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IAS I’d like to be able to give you every answer that you’d need, but unfortunately, I can’t offer much. I always try to give guys advice that I would follow or on things I have already done. Imo, the ” sex while married ” thing complicates matters when you’re not intentionally trying to hurt your partner. My best guess at this is in line with what Sentient says – just do it and get it over. From my divorce experience, it’s impossible that no one will get hurt ( unless two people that should have never met managed to… Read more »

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@IAS

Everything Sentient and Blax said.

Short summary version:

If you want to get divorced, then get divorced. Why wait?
No benefit to telling her about the other women for the reasons Blax said – will change the focus. You’re gonna get divorced right? Then just get divorced and the “telling her about other women” problem goes away.

That said – I know it’s easier by far for me to say than for you to do – but this is a pretty simple decision. Not EASY. It’s very hard. But it’s SIMPLE.

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@IAS All the best in 2020, rude boy. Don’t forget it’s up to you how you’ll welcome 2021. Less than 52 weeks left and I want to see you killing it. What do you think? Stick with “No comments” or put her out of her misery and confirm I’m banging someone else (or someones elses) to give her more closure? Something else that didn’t occur to me? I’ve never gone through a divorce, so all here is just me extrapolating from other reference experiences. First of all, confirming you’re banging someone else does NOT equal putting her out of her… Read more »

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@anonDUDE (Taking it from the recent OP to FRs, I don’t read all other comments) I’ve been in a ~20-year LTR and I’m all up for relationships. And I know you need a bit of a distance first. That comes with experience. So keep trying and observing both her (and other girls) and yourself. The more girls you interact with, the easier it becomes for you. You want a long term relationship? Go for it. Do what you want, just get really good at reading women, predicting their behaviors and managing relationships. The best way to learn? By doing. At… Read more »

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@Everyone: thanks for the insight. It confirms what I was thinking.
From within it is harder to see it as clearly, and I often don’t really want to see some of this.

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Just ended an almost year long relationship. Me: single father of a pre-teen boy, mid-40’s Her: nearly 39yo woman, gainfully employed, smart, good sex, like similar things, can go simple and complex. She’s made clear she wants commitment, and not necessarily kids, but a life with me. Just in case tho, she froze some eggs this year. Thing is, I’ve been spinning plates this entire time, mostly 20-somethings. It’s been fun and great. And I’m not sure if I’m done with kids, and if I did want more, it would be 5-8 years down the road (after my son is… Read more »

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Why would you end it? I assume you told her you weren’t going to commit and had other girls? If so, enjoy the time with her and from time to time encourage her to find a guy who would settle down.

It’s on her.

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@Just Beers: probably the best you could have done, for her.

@Sentient: rationally, it is on her. But if he doesn’t terminate it himself she will still blame him, even if subconsciously. Very likely Just Beers actually does care for this girl and is partially sacrificing his own well being right now, to give her a better chance at some happiness down the line (and eventually saving himself some bigger grief a few years later).

You don’t even have to ask me how I know :/

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IRL carpet bombing truth…

IAS – song reminds me of you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv644ipg2Ss

IAS / Beers

Fascinating so many are willing to sacrifice for others. Reminds me to go see 1917.

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@Just Beers: probably the best you could have done, for her. @Sentient: rationally, it is on her. But if he doesn’t terminate it himself she will still blame him, even if subconsciously. Very likely Just Beers actually does care for this girl and is partially sacrificing his own well being right now, to give her a better chance at some happiness down the line (and eventually saving himself some bigger grief a few years later). You don’t even have to ask me how I know :/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @IAS and @Sentient. Thanks to both of you… her words, through tears, were… Read more »

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Old business from last month. Phill Connors @AR ”RSD is just a variation on MM, and not that big a variation. ” @WIA “RSD Game is VERY different from Mystery Method. A huge variation” I agree with WIA. That was sloppy writing on my part. At the implementation level there is indeed a big difference. But zoom out. Look at MM / RSD from an imaginary 20,000 feet or 7,000 meters. There’s a sorta-kinda flow chart Sentient has put up a few times, I didn’t properly file the URL – cycling from Attraction to Comfort, Qualification to Disqualification then back…etc.… Read more »

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@Just Beers:
Both 39.

Don’t take it personally, the baby rabies, the desire for commitment.
They are just… Looking out for themselves. And so should we.

As Sentient is alluding… We have to allow ourselves to be selfish.

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They are just… Looking out for themselves. And so should we. As Sentient is alluding… We have to allow ourselves to be selfish. It’s not always about playing not to lose. By being selfish. LTR’s are best served with an investment in the other. Trust, admiration and respect go a long way in investing more rather than less when it is warranted and a good match and a good investment. The other, your partner, will not always let you down. It’s not all about guarding your heart and your own self ego-investments. You can be selfish, and you can also… Read more »

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Oh, and some of you new guys including AnonDUDE and others, check out this forum thread from 2004 by Pook about mindset and dealing with girls: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/fifteen-lessons.59150/ You cannot be yourself without truthfully seeing yourself. You cannot sacrifice character for joyfulness without ultimately destroying happiness. You cannot control the situation, but you can control yourself, your emotions, and your life. You cannot have women love you until you love yourself. You cannot grasp the female nature until you grasp your male nature. You cannot win her until you focus on her winning you. You cannot fully know the principles of… Read more »

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The following is not cognitive dissonance. In an LTR is is: accord, agreement, concord, concordance, harmony, peace. Call it a collaborative alliance. From to that link to the Pook thread: “Getting a girl is not the success.” “Pook! Whatever do you mean by this?” “Most guys still think like women. They think that by sleeping with lots of women, by having a girlfriend, or by having a wife means they are successful with women.” “You mean that ‘beggars can’t be choosers.’ You mean for guys to PICK the girl rather than the other way around.” “You’re closer and that is… Read more »

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Anyone experienced this type of situation: Strong “independent” feminist woman getting jealous at the fact that you are emotionally strong, resourceful and a self-reliant man? I find myself in the position of being the stable force in this woman’s world, yet she seems to criticize me for not being emotionally frail and needy as she is. She says for example, “you never ask for help…” I ask for help when I need it. I take care of business on my own and attend to my needs without help from others. Here is the kicker, I have opened up a few… Read more »

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NewGuy,

Why are you involved with this independent feminist woman in the first place? Is she an immediate family member or something…?

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Bukulu

He has a crush on her and keeps orbiting.

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@Sentient: You are great. Thanks for the many smiles.

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” Strong independent feminist women”?

😂😂😂😂😂

Y’all crack me up.

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I suppose that’s the way to bet, but I did want to give NewGuy the benefit of the doubt.

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NewGuy
She says for example, “you never ask for help…”

Shit test. Why do you care? Who is she to you?

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I’m 57 recently divorced for 3 years with the wounds mostly healed. I’m square jawed, 6’ tall 175 lbs swimmers body and not far from a 6 pack. My ego tells me I have a high SMV for my age. I found RM 3 weeks ago and have read all 3 books and probably watched 40+ hours of Rollo and associates. Rollo did a show with Andrew Tate that turned the corner on my nihilism and is helping greatly with throwing off my deep seated blue pill conditioning. I’ve got a few years left and want to make the most… Read more »

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Mike Land “where is the best place to learn red pill game” Capital G “Game” isn’t red or blue pill. It is the language of female seduction. It is spoken and physical. You learn it like you learn German. By action and immersion. The best place to learn Red Pill is TRM. Game newbie resources per Yareally http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/8/#comment-rationalmale-168181 “These days my Newbie Guide would be this: – Mystery Method. I prefer the seminar where he teaches it over the PDF eBook of it because I like Mystery’s passion for what he’s teaching, all the vids were on YouTube at some… Read more »

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@Mike Land Welcome to TRM. Lots of points to make, but just a couple short ones now and more later, or some of the other regulars will weigh in. You’ve been firehosed with a lot of new concepts recently. It will take some time for all that to “settle in” as you learn to use the “Red Pill Glasses” to view the world around you. It literally is like seeing the Matrix (well, not literally but you know what I mean). However Rollo’s stuff is the theoretical and conceptual overview that makes it all make sense and gives you the… Read more »

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Ah, Sentient beat me to finding the YaReally “starter kit” post I was thinking of and posting it.

Just remember that some of the Youtube videos may be down after the Youtube Purge of 2019 and you may need to poke around on torrent sites etc for some of it. The PDFs and books should be relatively easy to find.

If you have any questions let us know.

DO NOT go overboard on more theory than what is in that post. You want action, not to be paralyzed by theory.

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beyond thanks for your answer. I did find some old mystery method videos on YT. I also have a copy of Game on the way. I’m a social guy and am not intimidated to talk to anyone. I’m also reasonably good at spotting signs of interest. Thankfully a couple of roadhouses have just sprung up close to my place so I may even have a proving ground. I haven’t fished a woman out of a bar for 30 years so there’s definitely rust.

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thanks for listing all the resources. I’ll be going through them. I’ve also made notes on suggestions Rollo has made in his YT videos and have a few books part way done. I think I’ll spend a bit of time on the basics of game. I need to break myself of my beta habits.

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@Mike Land I think we all lived in Mike Land at one time or another: “”I have a gf who’s post menopausal with an SMV at least 3 points below mine. She’s in shape and mostly admires me with the occasional shit test. I managed to navigate these tests before reading RM and in review see I did mostly okay.”” You’re a few years older than me and we’re but I discovered game and The Red Pill exactly 10 years ago. I now only meet girls under 30. I spin plates and have increased my SMV both physically and internally… Read more »

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@Bukulu Why are you involved with this independent feminist woman in the first place? Is she an immediate family member or something…? She is a long time friend and co-worker. Not my girlfriend. We did have crushes on each other years ago. She tries to be a “feminist” but covertly pines for an alpha man that “just gets it.” For as much as she wants to be tough, she needs a man to support her. After being exposed to all this Red Pill material, I see through her facade. Trying to convince women that they are equals to men is… Read more »

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Mike Land / wala You’re projecting your own fears and bad experiences into a reality that doesn’t exist. Set your sights on what you REALLY want. If you want to bang girls in their 20’s you can. +100 Once you learn some game and marry that to RP, you will see a difference in your thinking Mike, based on observable reality. If you act. I meet a lot of guys in our age range who buy into the whole bullshit of finding age appropriate women. Shhhhhhh… Let them keep shooting in that barrel… When one of the girls in her… Read more »

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Mike Land

what age range of women should I go for.

See girls you are attracted to.
Go talk to them.

That’s really it. After you learn a bit of the fundamentals and practice some, you wont be able to stop yourself…

I love the “Here. We. Go.” moment… when some girl is nearby, you open and then… it’s all there in front of you to play for. And they have NO idea what is coming.

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“Fish where the fish are. ”

This.

This is the biggest obstacle older guys have getting with younger girls. Proximity. You want to fish in stocked ponds. For the average North American, that’s going to be the areas adjacent to the unis… Coffee shops, smoothy places, wine bars, yoga sure if you can stand it.

You don’t need to go to the frattiest place at 12 AM on Saturday. Those young girls are all around all the time.

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@Sentient When Mike Land asks “What age range of girls should I go for?” To ask the question is to already know the answer. Our response won’t be: Dude, bang MILFs in their 40s. For a dude who has some maturity and is in decent shape that’s fishing with dynamite. He doesn’t need us for that. “Hello” is a great opening line. Mike Land is at a place where he’s trapped in what he “thinks” society expects of him and what he WANTS to do. The resources for developing Game are out there—largely for free. There are Reddit boards devoted… Read more »

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Here’s a trend, a “thing” that we should bear in mind when advising 20something men.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/11/why-todays-young-men-are-terrified-of-sex/

The legal brothels in Nevada are allegedly offering specials for 20-something men who want to learn how to have sex.
Not confirmed, but it would fit with the larger social situation.

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@Anonymous Reader It makes sense coming from a late 20s guy. My first girl that was 22 at the time told me as I was her 18th guy :D, and my second girl that was 27 said I was her 8th. ( I know the 3x rule for women, but i tend to believe them as they were in situations where they were legit honest ) A lot of my friends are in similar situations with less than 5 notches but in relationships with girls who have around 10. And to be honest its a bit intimidating knowing the girl… Read more »

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@Stefan “”And to be honest its a bit intimidating knowing the girl has been with more guys than me, not just from alpha widow perspective but from sexual experience one as well, lower chance of giving her unique experience and stuff, just another guy who sticks it in and out, thats it.”” This deserves its own post. The whole switch in dynamics from what is and isn’t acceptable based on the feminist imperative. You see this constantly in media where the female character is out banging whoever wherever and the male suitor is struggling to be a good guy and… Read more »

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Stefan “And to be honest its a bit intimidating knowing the girl has been with more guys than me, not just from alpha widow perspective but from sexual experience one as well, lower chance of giving her unique experience and stuff, just another guy who sticks it in and out, thats it.” Interesting stuff. Serious question though, why would you be just another guy that just sticks it in and out? The population is overrun with these types already. Do you have wants and needs and desires? Are they somehow locked away and unavailable when a sexual opportunity arises? One… Read more »

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Regarding the sex thing… I started late at mid twenties and my wife was a virgin and I can tell you that neither of us knew what we were doing at the start. I had a little (but not much) anxiety with N=2 that she would just know I was relatively unexperienced but turned out she was also N=2 and she just assumed from my Frame that I had banged many girls and knew what I was doing. To this day she hasn’t orgasmed but she still really enjoys sex. It is slightly frustrating for me that she hasn’t orgasmed… Read more »

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Re Rollo’s YT video : the importance of sex form October My second wife (ex) damaged me financially and being 57 my job opportunities are limited so I figured I can contribute with my experiences. My first wife sperm jacked me, not just for marriage as an alternative to ever working (as proven by now 37 years of being a burden to society). I will admit she was good at sex and submitted to whatever I wanted. 2 years into the marriage I tried encouraging her to help to pay the bills as we were paycheck to paycheck with no… Read more »

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Great read Mike, thank you.

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Cutting bait A friend once busted out a tape measure to illustrate life. He paid out 80 inches of tape and said “this is your life”. Now think about diminished function at the 80” mark. Vanished libido, creaky joints, enlarged prostate. Knock off 5”-10”, so you’re now at 70”. Viewing life in a literal sense right in front of yourself like this should add a sense of urgency, and not to finish binge watching Survivor. I’ve been blessed with good health and both from genetics and a lifelong dedication to fitness thanks to being bullied as a child. I’m anticipating… Read more »

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Mike Land

“When I left I had resolved that not just in relationships but all things “when I’m unhappy, I’ll make a change”. I haven’t yet resolved how to focus this resolution with a Red Pill mindset but I’m working on it.”

Have you been introduced to The Platinum Rule?

TPR – do whatever YOU want to do, whenever YOU feel like doing it.

A reliable way to start upping the alpha, working towards 24/7/365 displays of the Alpha Triad… A Dynamic, Passionate and Authentic life.

https://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/sentients-dynamic-passionate-authentic-framework/

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IAS Good stuff mayne. Your post and Mike Land’s post got me thinking and reminiscing. And, I don’t really think back too much because I always believed it was sign of getting old, lol. Learning. My first sexual experience, as you know, came at 13. In fact, I’d just turned 13. She was 15. We were both virgins, but I’d hoped that she wasn’t a virgin at the time. Idk, I figured one of us had to know what we were doing. That very first time started out nerve wracking for me, because she looked an awful lot like this… Read more »

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Oh, Prologue: I did bang my uncle’s sis in law. She was spending the night and did the old ” sneak in your room ” routine, and I tried to fuck her to death, lol, I tried to muffle her screams with a pillow and almost suffocated her. The next morning, mu uncle asked me if I heard the ” squirrels in the walls ” last night, so I said ” yeah sure, I heard them “. So he says ” You should kill ’em so they don’t keep you awake ” and I replied ” I almost killed one… Read more »

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Hall of Fame stuff Blaxie…

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Field Report from 1/1/2020 to 1/12/2020 ABSTRACT For the past two weeks I have scheduled specific time to go out and approach women with the main intent to get to know them and date them. I am following the MM Newbie Drill as a template, going out 4 days per week, for 4 hours per day. I am focusing on day game but will go and approach night game during weekends if going out with the boys. My goals are as follows: for the next 13 weeks, open 100 sets per week/ 25 sets per day to improve in approaching,… Read more »

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Jersey girls.

This summer go to Seaside, get a house or hotel/motel room for the weekend, and bring 2 dozen condoms.

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@Outis Good stuff. What is the breakdown of number closes between “in person” and Facebook? Also, when you say “open” on FB, what do you mean? Are these girls already your friends or friends of friends or just random girls etc? Doing online stuff (whether Facebook or Tinder etc) is based on the same principles as real life but some of the practicalities are different. I used to do a lot of it, but honestly you’re better off focusing on the real life stuff for a million different reasons. It’s fine to have online as a back up for real… Read more »

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I’m stepping back in for this comment as honestly, I don’t know what @Rollo is doing. For young men looking at him interviewing the Tate brothers, I can say only this, don’t be tempted to follow that path. If their business model supported itself then they wouldn’t need apprentices in the War Rooms. Who wants other wankers crowding their market if what they’ve got is so good? In my opinion, and it is my opinion, they only need you for your covenant value. That means they need your clean credit history to process card payments etc.. because they are fucked… Read more »

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Richard Branson doesn’t have a war room does he?

Fuck that shit, he does it himself and keeps the profit himself.

So does everyone else with a proper business.

But…

“If you can’t do it, teach”

That applies here.

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RE; Palma Sailer and “those who can’t do teach”. Not picking a fight, just offering an alternative view. I got this from a book called “Smart Thinking” that I revisit annually. I suspect it is also covered in “Mastery” which is on my reading list. Paraphrasing; Learning and gaining mastery of a given subject has 3 stages. 1 exposure – reading, seminar, video etc. 2 Practice – actually using the new learned skill 3 Teaching – pass skills on to another. This is how medicine is taught. My filter one credibility is whether the teacher has actually done the practice… Read more »

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Some similarities, @Blax, between your first time and mine. D-cups…check. Gazed at them with open mouth…check. Older than I was…check. About the same body type…check. Here it changes…I knew about pussies from having finger-banged several girls. My girl was a natural blonde and just a little shorter than me, but about 20 lbs heavier because I was a featherweight. Ethnically Dutch. My girl was experienced…with her fiance. She knew about sex, somewhat. Not much about multiple sex partners, though. My girl called me over to her dorm room like she said she would. Unexpected. I had expected her to back… Read more »

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Short one just for kicks. Haven’t been poasting.. Still extracating from some earlier situs… Travel with W. I have to meet a client for a drink. Happy hour. Go to the spot. Place is quiet. Real nice mid 40s woman (thought mid 30s) drinking a glass of wine and playing with her phone. So what do you do Culum? I just opened her instead of waiting for her to open me, because I was expecting this client any minute. “So what brings you out?” Standing next to her. She looks up from jer phone. Boom. Big smile. Phone closed and… Read more »

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Hi guys, since the FR section’s been a bit quiet lately , i’d like to take the opportunity to ask you to check out a tinder exchange i had with a girl, no need for an extensive breakdown, just an advice what i did wrong and if I can do anything to get her out :). I would’ve asked on seddit but I don’t trust those guys there and you are quite good here . ( I think last line i texted was stupid since she hasn’t replied yet and usually does quick replies ). I feel like I chased… Read more »

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Stefan

After she says

“That sounds like a good idea”

Just say “number”.

If she then complies with the number request, you can set up a face to face, but leave out the question marks. Just assume the sale, put the date and time in and take it from there. Look back over your thread, you were amusing but she isn’t really complying. You need compliance before you set a date.

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There was a chance just before that to make her qualify/comply, when she asks you “what about you!” you then qualify her.

“really depends, what am I dealing with here?” etc. Get her to qualify/comply before trying to arrange a date, and arrange the date after she qualifies further with her number.

Can you see the progression?

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Has the storm passed? Is it safe for me to post now? Sentient, what I found most interesting about that FR was the sense that beyond a certain point (when you understand the basic principles and don’t have to think too much about it consciously – like learning to drive) – it’s about “being”, not “doing”. It’s not what you do, it’s who you are and how you embody that. That’s why it looks like you did “nothing” or that you did exactly the same as the other guy trying to pick her up, but had different results (when in… Read more »

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Culum *it’s about “being”, not “doing”. * Yup. the Alpha Triad on display right? It’s not what you do, it’s who you are and how you embody that. It’s also what you don’t do… Don’t try hard, don’t pay too much attention. Don’t be afraid to put in gaps, tests, roll offs… Don’t be afraid to lose. But in the end testing the truth of the situation Bobby Judge (RIP) style… You can’t get to an authenticity, that I swear they can smell, unless you have a track record of testing the truth of the situations. when in doubt, act.… Read more »

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Thanks Sentient, I tried that with “number” and to get her to comply on a different chick and she gave me her number, let’s see if i can get her to meet. The first chick is attention whoring I think, still replying but going nowhere… @Culum Yes, I agree, ever since you guys scolded me last month, i’ve been reading on cold approaches and stuff. ( krauser, todd v, tusk,etc ) Btw, I try to stay away from black pill stuff as it poisons the mind as you’ve said before but this video is too real to ignore and quite… Read more »

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@Stefan Be wise brother and heed my words. One man’s attention whore is another man’s siren. An impossibly hot blonde was treating everyone like they were passable until this one man plucked up the courage to pay her a well-deserved compliment with his deep voice. That’s all he had the balls to do with her and left her after that. She was then emboldened and noticed that I noticed her but wasn’t reacting too much. I just gave her an appreciative glance. She paraded her legs and ass to try to get my attention. I walk up to her and… Read more »

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That video is hilarious and it makes me miss my man @J. Stef, do me a solid. For the next 60 days, whenever you leave your home, I’d like you to take note of his many super handsome, buff, model like ” Chad ” Men you see when out and about. I work where there are 600+ people concentrated. There are only a few super model types out of around 250 men of all ages. The thing about women ruling any dating market is a function of the online world. All of that shit is a) delusional and b) in… Read more »

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Stef, do me a solid. For the next 60 days, whenever you leave your home, I’d like you to take note of his many super handsome, buff, model like ” Chad ” Men you see when out and about.

Stefan go one further. Observe the guys who are out with girls… lol

The REAL WORLD is not on a screen. [despite what MTV may say]

So you saw compliance with number girl. Good. Learn from it.

Now what is stopping you from getting your attention whore to comply? Why are you scared to force it? Thirst.

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Field report 1/23/2020: I opened Karen direct at A Local Watering Hole. She’s a HB6/ Average gal. We have personalities that have similar interests. When we met initially, I opened her direct, I DHV’ed and was fairly direct with my communication and sub-communication, and I number closed her and told her something like “I gotta run, but put your number in here and I’ll give you a call, we can grab a coffee sometime.” She obliged, gave me her number, we continued to chat, then her and her friends found themselves an uber to another bar. I forgot about her.… Read more »

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Outis I would like to be more efficient and move things forward towards the logical end as quickly as possible with as little financial investment. I must stop wimping out in in front of women that I find attractive, and just proceed naturally forward. Nice FR. If you really want to move as quickly as possible, you need to sort logistics up front first and foremost. Logistics will always beat Game. So backward plan your Day 2 from the sex location. Make everything fit into that plan. So in this case, a) you got an unsolicited pic (huge IOI) and… Read more »

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I don’t think I’ve ever asked a girl if I could kiss her. A lost fr that I didn’t write up from last month was going to be about a chick that shoved her tongue in my mouth mid sentence/conversation. Didn’t see that coming at all.list I get the climate today is weird and guys are ( rightly) concerned about permission, and at least there was some make out, but I think it’s still important to take a measure of control. How? That’s a good question. I guess it will depend on the ability to read the situation accurately. The… Read more »

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a chick that shoved her tongue in my mouth mid sentence/conversation.

Lol. This was standard for me when ending dates in younger times. Be saying “Well I had a nice ni——— (garbled)”.

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😂😂😂

Yu p, but I got slobbed down @ work. She kept getting closer and closer, but I took it as flirting.

To make matters kinda worse, I tried pushing her back a little and wound up with a handful of titty.

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@Outis – bit rushed, so will try to come back with more later in the next day or two. Good advice from Sentient and Blax. Basically this is like reading one of my own FRs from around 2013. You’re doing well, but you need to learn and internalize (which you will – it just takes some practice and experience) that you can escalate a lot more, and a lot faster than most men assume, IF you have the social skills and calibration to read the signs – both the IOIs and the subtle signs saying “back off” or “not yet”.… Read more »

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@Sentient @Calum you guys are like the big bros I never had smile many plow reports to come with your guidance. Greatly appreciate the feedback. It seriously helps so much.

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you guys are like the big bros I never had

Just passing on what’s been passed on. Keep plugging away. Field is King!

and make sure you finish your homework (Mystery etc.) in the gaps. Future is bright.

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@BDM “”But she was putting in a lot of resistance and was clearly trying to send the message across to me that intimacy and sex with her would occur on her terms. I lost interest after a while as she was trying hard to kill all spontaneity to it. She kept saying she had a rule that she goes to sleep within a certain time and that she had to leave soon. I lost all interest by then and then walked her out. We did not even eat the food as I thought, I would rather eat it alone while… Read more »

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does an ex wife qualify as pre selection, or is it a disqualifier? I have two ex wives BTW. I’m wondering whether to mention to a potential set. Considering I’m north of 50 years old it seems like an inevitable question, and early in the conversation.

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@Mike Land “”does an ex wife qualify as pre selection, or is it a disqualifier? I have two ex wives BTW. I’m wondering whether to mention to a potential set. Considering I’m north of 50 years old it seems like an inevitable question, and early in the conversation.”” A few things: Having a STALKER qualifies as pre-selection. Having an ex ….myeh…having 2 ex wives makes you seem unstable and flakey. I’d hold off on bringing that up. Be mysterious… revealing too much about yourself too early is a sign of desperation and neediness. It’s irrelevant and sounds like you’re bringing… Read more »

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“does an ex wife qualify as pre selection, or is it a disqualifier? “

As with many game things, it’s all in the Frame and the Framing.

Wrong: “Yeah, i tried marriage twice, got dumped after giving them everything”

Right: “Married? I was married. Twice… I’m a bit of a handful I guess. [laser] Good girls though, they found quiet nice guys and are happy. They still come by once in a while… Oh well”

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😂👍

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Re; ex-wives and pre selection. Thanks for the replies guys. I am not yet a natural at weaving alpha frame into a reply. I’ve been asked if I’m divorced on many occasions with my standard reply being “we just grew apart”. I thought the appearance of being willing to marry being key. I see the better spin of being “unable to be tamed” as superior. I also did have a stalker at one point. She even had a boob job and regularly sent me photos. I’ll leverage that one. On a technical note. I haven’t figured out how to reply… Read more »

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There is no direct reply.

Weave this in:

Her: so you’ve been married?

You: yeah… twice… Bit in my defense they were crazy… They didn’t like me having girlfriends. Cray Cray…

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Mike Land on point… Just had lunch. sitting at a bar. Two girls come in. One pretty hot. 7.5, other a 6. 7.5 has a nice rock on and a wedding band. Both late 20’s. They sit next to me. Overheard… True recap… 7.5 – OMG I ran into X last night [her ex BF]. he was so wasted. he came right up on our table and leaned way over [demonstrates] on it to me and is like “How the hell are you!”… lolololol titter titter titter. He was on a tinder date! 6 – OMG lolzlolzolzol titter titter… He’s… Read more »

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https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200121-why-promoted-women-are-more-likely-to-divorce wow, not one whit about personal responsibility for one’s own happiness and personal relationships; it’s all on others to adjust and accomodate…. men and society just can’t handle a strong woman and culpability is on everyone else generally speaking I see a lot of similar things with the “… I’m so awesome and everybody else can’t handle it …. ” posturing in which they try to portray themselves as somehow advanced/superior and therefore frustrated that nobody can keep up; it’s just a way to cope by implying any problems lie with others, not themselves and the one fucking question… Read more »

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“Society has accepted divorce more, and it might be a positive thing,” she argues. “If women get into unequal relationships with a spouse that will not support their career, divorce lets them continue their careers alone and possibly look for a new partner… It’s not necessarily ideal to stay with the same person your whole life.”

There’s that ” society ” bullshit yet again.

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>why-promoted-women-are-more-likely-to-divorce

That article is almost like a textbook of hypergamy, just for a start.

You know how a lot of girls like to keep their slogans around, except they call them “affirmations”?
This one is very popular, and not just with the 20-somethings. There are 40-year olds with this on their mirror too.

Marylin Monroe version:comment image

Nikki Minaj versioncomment image

Plenty more if anyone cares to look. Entitlement is everywhere. Just laugh at it.

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The song

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ETD0VfhSo

The backstory. File under “alpha is as alpha does”

http://nomorebuffalo.blogspot.com/2004/12/todd-snider-uncle-skip-and-last-train.html?m=1

And Todd himself showing you how to tell a DHV story

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rijCrZOpj_Y

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@dr zipper
That BBC article on Swedish divorce is one big example of hypergamy from start to finish. Plus it features serial polyandry, women’s preferred mating strategy. Thanks for posting it.

The lesson to any man who is married to such a woman: learn Game and stay ahead of her. I have long suspected that one reason for the increase in the popularity of BD / SM is women being pushed up on the glass floor. Funny thing, this was explicated in “Married with Children” back in the 80’s and 90’s in the form of Marcy the bank executrix neighbor.

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Sentient and Having A Bad Day and Others Back after a long time. Marriage going pretty well. Not perfect, not where I want to be, but generally good and I feel like I know what I am doing. Financial issues resolved for now and I have a plan. I have a question about my kids. My son is 8, my daughter is 5. Fighting constantly. I know siblings fight and the younger one always wants to play with the older one who thinks the younger one is annoying but this is extreme. I had a much bigger age gap with… Read more »

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I want to add a couple of additional points. As IRL suggested, I started doing some BJJ training with my boy. Recently, I couldn’t take him for a class and he went with a friend from school. When they came back, the friend told me about what they did in class and what they learned, and my son only talked about clowning around with one of the other kids – the one who constantly acts up and jumps around and prevents everyone else from learning anything. My son is nowhere near as bad as that boy, but you get the… Read more »

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Hey Marquis…. You need to handle this situation because when he is 10 or 12 or older he is going to be uncontrollable. I’ve seen what a 6’2″ 220 15 YO looks like who freaks out like this. It’s dangerous, nevermind embarrassing. Disciplining kids is a high conflict area in LTR’s, especially in the daze of MOm’s wanting approval all the time. I suspect you’ve not done the spanking when he was younger. Back in the old days, Mom was a very good enforcer of “her rules” however vague and capricious those may have been. The “wooden spoon” or a… Read more »

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