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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Yeah what’s your approach Mike?

Go ahead. Let’s.

This is good to think about.

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 year ago

@TheMarquis Sentient and Having A Bad Day and Others welcome back! Back after a long time. Marriage going pretty well. Not perfect, not where I want to be, but generally good and I feel like I know what I am doing. Financial issues resolved for now and I have a plan. I have a question about my kids. My son is 8, my daughter is 5. Fighting constantly. I know siblings fight and the younger one always wants to play with the older one who thinks the younger one is annoying but this is extreme. I had a much bigger… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Good breakdown HABD

So where you been?

and why do you think you have to ‘be fair’?…

My favorite response – “that’s why it’s called a double standard”…

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Blax

https://twitter.com/Train357/status/1222945487894065158

lolzlolzlolz… somebody put it to music. watch till the end. SOUND UP.

crying…

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

and a credit to olde tyme CH resident “Vagina Dominator” – wherever he may be – who was a big proponent of open hand striking. Very effective.

Stefan
Stefan
1 year ago

Oh my god, he is 130lbs at best against 250lbs, what did he think was gonna happen, clearly skipped physics classes in school.

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 year ago

@Sentient

“So where you been?”

busy…lol

but that^^^ sh*t is critical mass… so i made some time…

good luck!

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Marquis

A reminder. Dad’s role.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PCdbKQ9vODU

SJF
SJF
1 year ago

SJF told me once I needed to teach him “discipline without self-suppression”. I just don’t know how. lol… that’s bc there is no such thing…lol… SJF was talking about his adult age son… not an 8 year old… 8 year olds don’t get a vote…lol Heh. Nice. I got no advice. These guys covered it well. My kids, and my son didn’t actually have issues that I needed to handle. Their piers and my community left them is good stead behavior. (I showed this question and answer to my female medical assistant. She’s older than me. She brought up issues… Read more »

TheMarquis
TheMarquis
1 year ago

Thank you to everyone. And particularly Having A Bad Day for taking the time to write a detailed reply like that. I hope one day I will be comfortable enough with all of this to pass it on to other men. I finally understand what I need to do in a way I didn’t before and I will execute. I have some questions about my daughter and how she’s learning BPD behaviour, but right now my son is the priority and she is only 5 so she can wait for the moment. The only real uncertainty I have now is… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
1 year ago

The Marquis, there are numerous reasons why discipline is done in private at the family level.

What happens at the woodshed stays at the woodshed.

At the public level we discuss what is unacceptable behavior not who is unacceptable.

Blaximus
1 year ago

Society has effectively burned the woodshed down. It’s one reason we have so many ineffective males wandering the country.

You can’t Google your way out of this situation either.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Marquis

Wake the fuck up broski.

Your wife is NOT going to get on board with this. Full stop. YOU are going to have to lay down the LAW with her and the kids. Full stop.

There will be [emotional] blood…

then I risk getting bogged down in committee discussion about the details of punishments and her nitpicking minor aspects of it

Lol. Captains issue orders. Full stop.

You got this but only if you don’t try tip toeing through the tulips. You can’t negotiate through this, which seems to be your MO. You conflict averse?

Yeah.

Blaximus
1 year ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SB16k67aso4

From a not too distant past.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Bias

That Chris Rock is great.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Come on back Palma

You’re the hero this board needs.

Happy Brexit!

wodansthane
1 year ago

Okay, here goes. First disclosure, I am a Christian. I say this not because I believe that non-Christians won’t be able to give me sound advice, but because the way that I choose to describe things might not be clear to a non-Christian. If my description of things is unclear just tell me and I will give it another go. I’m 60, been with my wife for close to 35 years. A little over a year and a half ago I discovered Rollo ( he’s a regular guest on my local morning talk show ). I listened to him regularly… Read more »

Mike Land
Mike Land
1 year ago

I agree the man needs to be the dictator, and the enforcer of discipline. I have found that a pre negotiated penalty for a given bad behavior works. Similarly a pre negotiated reward for good behavior spells things out with no surprises to anyone. Get son/daughter/wife to negotiate the penalty/reward. Don’t take out garbage, negotiated penalty; 2 day loss of iPad. Son knows ahead of time what is coming if he fails. If you simply dictate a penalty you’ll get rebellion. If the penalty is prenegotiated the offending party knows whats coming. All you need to do is hold fast… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
1 year ago

@Wodan

If she’s sticking with you, and hasn’t fucked you over yet, there might be hope for you. Often it’s not that a woman has had better. It’s that she fears you becoming better. Reassurance doesn’t do it for this sort of thing. What does is actively letting her freak out while she tries to compute why you give a fuck about her despite being the shit. Hypergamy leads her to water. But Feminism tells her the water isn’t safe to drink.

Meditate on this.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
1 year ago

@Mike Land

Ok, Pappy. Don’t forget to listen actively. You should be golden. Engineering questions should be easy for one such as yourself to answer. Just remember we aren’t all engineers.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Palma

There is scant reporting here on what happened last night.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Wodansthane

Stick around. Lots to unpack. Check back Wednesday.

Mike Land.

Come on man. Do your homework. How would you open that girl?

Need to start there.

Mike Land
Mike Land
1 year ago

how would I open?

I thought about it and would go with “great bikini, that tag kind of spoils it though” or some derivative of that.

I’m totally not against homework, and recognize I need to do much, much more.

I need to be able to come up with openers without pondering for half a day.

IAS
IAS
1 year ago

Welcome back, Palma.

Bikini girl: I wouldn’t try to open direct. I’d try to get pre-selection somehow before opening her. Then I’d try to merge her into an existing set (with female(s) already” with “Hey you, come here meet my friends (…)”, maybe with a plausible “excuse” that we will play some kind of game together and another person would come in hand (which she obviously would know she is getting picked because she is hot, but still). That is the highest probability to hook that I can think of.

Blaximus
1 year ago

Mike “how would I open? I thought about it and would go with “great bikini, that tag kind of spoils it though” or some derivative of that. I’m totally not against homework, and recognize I need to do much, much more. I need to be able to come up with openers without pondering for half a day.” How would you engage this girl? From my experience, and listening to countless women ( a shitload of ” hawt ” ones too ), there’s is no rational reason for a man to see one women so differently than another, just by first… Read more »

Mike Land
Mike Land
1 year ago

Blax Excellent reply, thanks for taking the time. Much to ponder. My thoughts are that an opener would need to have a degree of “context”, in this case she’s on the beach and in a bikini, not a hell of a lot more to work with. I don’t have a wing, and and anticipate flying solo on these ventures. From what I’ve gathered from my first pass at MM game theory some form of a playful neg open is usually best which is why what came to mind for me is using what’s available and negging the bikini. My thinking… Read more »

Stefan
Stefan
1 year ago

@Sentient @Blax So, I went out with “number” girl (the attention whore never replied lol). Here is what happened: I told her to meet me in a café in the city center, I went there 10-15 min earlier and as I got my coffee I went to look for a free table, turned out the place was packed and there were no tables, and guess what, I saw my ex and her friend (girl) sitting at a table together lol, what are the chances of all the places in the city, come on :D. Her friend saw me and I… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 year ago

@TheMarquis

two quick points …

+1 on Sentient’s advice… mom is never going to be ‘on board’… it’s not possible for her to do that… her hindbrain won’t let her…

take the ipod to work with you monday morning and bring home friday night… done!…lol…

and be ready to deal with the protesting from all 3… lol… but not kidding…

good luck!

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 year ago

@Palmasailor

welcome!

congrats on brexit!…

how’s your son doing?

good luck!

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

@wodansthane This is a good place for you to air these problems. You’re going to get different answers, and the Bruce Lee method is strongly suggested: “Take what works, leave what doesn’t”. You might benefit from looking at this site if you have not already: https://deepstrength.wordpress.com/ However I am not at all sure that you’d be able to discuss your issue over there. This site just appeared recently, he created the site in response to Dalrock’s announcements. Some of Dalrock’s regular commenters have showed up – but not all of them are up to the discussion you need. https://joshuas-path.com/ It… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

PalmaSailor
Since you ask – Interesting turn of events before Xmas.

I cannot help laughing out loud. Not at you, but with you. No matter how awkward it coulda been a whole lot more awkwarder right?

Lol!

Ahem. When some of us sez “There’s a hunger out there in the 20-something women for masculinity” — you see it too, yes?

wodansthane
1 year ago

@Yollo, That’s an interesting observation, I WILL meditate on that. @Sentient, Thanks, will be back to read your thoughts. @Palma. Will try these and your suggested follow-through. Will update results, probably next week. @Anonymous, I have deepstrength’s book. good book. Glad you’re here. always respected and enjoyed your comments @Dalrock. Good to get such swift response from commenters I think are thoughtful.

Centuries
Centuries
1 year ago

@wodansthane Work on your health and fitness for yourself but it will help with DHV and dread Start dressing better – my wife noted immediately and asked who is she, and I didn’t change much at all If you want to turn it around you want to be the one she fixates on, you want to become her one. work on a DHV whenever possible in every area that you can – woman thirst for authentic male competencies – that is a core feature of hypergamy Then start putting yourself in positions where passive dread can occur. Start running catch… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
1 year ago

@Wodansthane “I’m 60, been with my wife for close to 35 years.” I’m 59 and been with her for 39 years. She’s Catholic I’m Lutheran. “A little over a year and a half ago I discovered Rollo ( he’s a regular guest on my local morning talk show ). I listened to him regularly for a few weeks, I don’t recall exactly what he said that hit home,” Yup “but it was like he’d been observing me personally. So I started reading his books, when I got to chapter 4 of Preventative Medicine and read the section on The Turning,… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Mike Land From what I’ve gathered from my first pass at MM game theory some form of a playful neg open is usually best which is why what came to mind for me is using what’s available and negging the bikini. My thinking is; it doesn’t have a tag but she would instantly second guess that at which point I could follow with something like “I’m just messing with you” and engage in further convo. Not bad. Just don’t fall into the trap of thinking an opener has to be a neg. Use negs judiciously, and in general don’t neg… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Openers are not magik, incantations, spells…

If in doubt, mind blank, moving targets etc…

“hey” is reliable.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

wodansthane [TRIGGER WARNING] so this is going to be succinct and sugar free… Okay, here goes. First disclosure, I am a Christian. I say this not because I believe that non-Christians won’t be able to give me sound advice, but because the way that I choose to describe things might not be clear to a non-Christian. So why the “Wodan’s Thane” moniker? Are you repressing something? That would be very, very Christian of you… what’s wrong with being a pagan? If the philosophy allows you to get what you want? why be a christian if the philosophy doesn’t get you… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

*Have decided to set the scene, arrive late at night one night next week and hit her up again at Tempe end of her shift for banana 911. straight from the bar to my kitchen. You could hit my front door from the pub if you threw a ball. Observations?* Sounds like a plan Palma. You should sniff out the logistics first before you commit to the invite. Avoid the “ohhh I’m meeting friends” or “ooooh my aunt’s cat is sick” blah blah blah. A bit of background – I’m not doing phone numbers, instead I’ve decided with VYW the… Read more »

Mike Land
Mike Land
1 year ago

Thanks for the comments Sentient I have read MM and watched a number of videos. So far it’s conceptual, however I am comfortable opening conversations with strangers. What I need is the structure of MM. The 3 stages of learning are see, do, teach. I am still well in the see portion. You have reinforced what I’ve read. It’s time to apply (do) and calibrate. I’ve also been thinking of “routines” and writing them down, honing my stories, hooks etc and practicing out loud just as I do for presentations. Most of my stories have been told many times before… Read more »

Mike Land
Mike Land
1 year ago

On a different note I’m going to vent a little here, and I know the solution to this problem is within myself. I’m divorced now for 3 years after a 10 year relationship. I’m still angry. After reading TRM and a bunch of other psych I see what went wrong (me becoming a beta simp). I’m still angry, and was angry in the tail end of the marriage for all of the ungratefulness. I literally built a house for that woman, as in with my own hands, from foundation to roof and everything inside. I gave up all of my… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Mike Land

the petty part of me wants revenge, justice, or even just a simple acknowledgement. I also know it’s stupid and not forthcoming.

You may be surprised yet. Maybe a few years from now, when you are killing it… and she pops up out of the woodwork and tells you she was an idiot and wants you back. It’s fairly standard.

Now don’t hold onto this as any kind of hope. It’s just further evidence that this shit works. It’s a natural result.

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 year ago

@wodansthane you are getting great advice… +1 on Sentient’s breakdown… read that breakdown through at least five times (not a typo…lol) with a couple hour break between each read-through… (@Sentient – good breakdown… thanks for picking up my slack…lol) some quick points… most important first step: But, WHY are you doing the work? … WHAT DO YOU WANT from this? you need to have a goal/end point to work toward… and having your personal “come to jesus” talk with yourself is the key… do this first… next, that Loooooong pattern of behavior. applies to YOU… she only reacts and sh*t… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Palma *I think it needs more plausible deniability? – it just happened.. etc.. Any ideas?* Yes it’s this – and isolation. They are in a safe space there and get to get their titillation and validation from you and go home and take it out on their guys. Because they don’t have a way to offer it up to you and not be slutty. Direct to your house is too big a step, they know what’s up. So arrange something else, going to another place to try some food or drink, a party, a show/band etc. Something with others around… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 year ago

@PalmaSailor sorry to hear about your son, but that story about his friend was funny…lol… i know much communication is lost over the interwebs (and more so from second-hand telling), but that story about about your son not wanting to see you, but you still getting a christmas card from him would lead me to believe that he is caught in the middle… and being a kid, he is resolving it in the way that results in the least amount of distress/stress/anxiety wrt his daily life… it sounds like he still wants to keep the lines of communication with you… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Palma You get my point? Yup. They have great cover stories… Definitely one approach. have them both over… Another approach, the old “reverse psychology” gambit… “You’re just a tease” “you’re a big talker” “you couldn’t handle it” “you probably suck in bed”… All coy.. I have one local waitress like this as well, always wanted to hug and touch and even taken to calling me “stud”… lol “That’s Mr. Stud to you”… But I’ve started to pull back from her kino… be shorter than usual, pay more attention to others etc. see if she amps it up or just playing.… Read more »

Roused
1 year ago

I know I govern my own mood, outlook etc but the petty part of me wants revenge, justice, or even just a simple acknowledgement. I also know it’s stupid and not forthcoming. If you didn’t get justice or revenge in court during the divorce don’t count on it anywhere else. I would be quite surprised if you did get any of that in court. Being financially bruised sucks. I know how that plays out and the long term impact. You can recover with time and hard work. The other stuff? It’s all ego man. You can move past that when… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Roused

Most guys on here won’t admit it, but ego plays a huge role in all the hurt, angst and quest for revenge and justice.

Ego is also responsible for a lot of success and a sense of self worth.

IAS
IAS
1 year ago

Update on my situation. She signed (reluctantly), made things a bit faster. Papers went through. I’m officially divorced.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

IAS

That was quick. Best to you. And her.

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 year ago

@IAS

I’m officially divorced.

’bout time, dude…lol

congrats!…

feels better, right?…

good luck!

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 year ago

@PalmaSailor

You’re thinking posting the odd physical thing rather than text etc…

Drawing a cock on things used to cause us both a laugh, perhaps I’ll have to take it back to basics.

something like that…lol

the medium is the message… the fact that you mail something to him consistently is what counts, not so much what it is… think of it like a moral booster for the hostage…

good luck!

Blaximus
1 year ago

IAS

Simultaneously, congratulations and condolences.

Now, Life is up to you and what you understand moving forward, and you will move forward.

Best wishes man.

kfg
kfg
1 year ago

@IAS:

Live well.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Wodansthane. IAS

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dOgB4aaZhZM

IAS
IAS
1 year ago

@HABD: yes it does feel better. Whether residual BP conditioning or not, I was never 100% comfortable with “cheating”. I was often wondering what kind of Frame or MPoO is this if I have to worry about her finding out about whatever. But it was more than just that… I am unable to lift her from her own sadness – I told her since before I was RP her happiness was her responsibility and I believe that. One can talk Burden of Performance, but one can just as well mention Captain Save-a-Ho (I still cringe a bit about using this… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

PalmaSailor I’m out of options apart from keeping communication open, but critically, she’s out of ammunition, there really isn’t any more she can launch. So when he decides to break free it’ll be a big deal. The Rolodex is finite. Girls have only so many ways they can pick a fight or otherwise attempt to start trouble. There’s times when a man doesn’t believe that, he says to himself “Crap, here’s another different one!” but that’s just taking counsel of fear. He’s gonna age out of her control, and at some level in the back of her head she knows… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
1 year ago

@IAS – congratulations on the divorce. @Palma – welcome back. Hope your break from TRM left you refreshed. @All – re the “hot bikini girl open” – assuming you had to open her exactly as in the picture (ie, she is alone – rare for a hot girl – and strolling on the beach), then I would do a variation of what IAS suggested. Ideally max your social proof with hot girls (but even any girls is better than none and male friends is better than alone) and then walk past her and make some kind of dismissive gesture (not… Read more »

Sukhraj
Sukhraj
1 year ago

Culum Struan
thank you for introducing me to this platform of field reports. and also thank you for your advice. I will start reading some basic stuff about game and start talking to girls right away.
thank you again

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

@ wodansthane Apologies for the delay, I’m still working over a reply to you in my head. I have two thoughts for now. First, while physical improvement is very important – lifting will increase your circulating T, changing the way you move, the way you speak, your vocal timbre and even the way you smell, all key stuff her hindbrain needs – the inner Game / mindset is equally important. I suggest you start carefully reading, re-reading and meditating on the relevant parts of Ephesians: you have authority over her. You don’t need her agreement, you don’t need some pastor… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

PalmaSailor Yer up early, if I read my clock right. (Owns a CL600 so I knew he wouldn’t be woke and be OK Wot, an electric screwdriver? Really? I admit it does look wicked, but still… https://hios.com/EN/products/driver/CL-6000/ Me: I used HP5 and microphen developer, you can push it up to 3200ASA for brilliant low light stuff but you have to increase the processing temperature up to about 25degree C Her : starry eyed says – teach me… Well, there’s that hunger again. Now you can talk about fine grain vs. coarse grain…as you prefer. This reminds me, when I was… Read more »

kfg
kfg
1 year ago

I became the third generation owner of the family Leica M3 just as I had backed completely out of film. Is a puzzlement.

kfg
kfg
1 year ago

SMSL AD18 driving KEF Q100s, smart TV or tablet as transport, but in the 20th century I did run a Dynaco into AR-4xs.

Oddly enough, since digital gear and media can be made so compact these days, the more of it I deploy the more Victorian my house returns to looking. No more Wall o’ LPs and VHS tapes and even 2.5″ drives are starting to look old and clunky to me. TVs and monitors of quite substantial screen size can be made to disappear when they aren’t actually in use. Even some lamps are returning to cordless.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

M3’s? Now we are tawkin

But yeah those 12 cylinder monsters are so sweet. You can get them now 80-90% depreciated, low miles… $25k to $35K mid aughts…

Renntech chip for $1200 and you are over 700/700…

Blaximus
1 year ago

M3’s or any luxo performance auto are only for 2 kinds of people. 1) those that are mechanically inclined enough to service them themselves. 2) those who can afford to pay to have them serviced, and can get rid of these things after 2-3 years of ownership. Just be prepared to take a financial hit. Value falls through the floor. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9v4j6-nHK5Q Copious use of cheap plastics in the engine bay is rendering beemers as notoriously unreliable over time and mileage. In the 80’s I had a 750il that I absolutely adored. Beautiful car. But to save money I almost had… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Stefan missed your FR It would’ve been so awkward for me if we had sat there ( if there were any free tables ). If your prior GF was as hot or hotter than the number girl, it would have worked in your favor to be there with them both. preselction is the most powerful of attraction switches. Anyway, we met up outside and walked to a different café together, talked for almost 2 hours and I said I had to go and we left. During the interaction I would say it was about 50:50 me and her talking. This… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Palma

So I think I’ll say we’ll do a late night low light session at the beech and then well walk back and develop the film in my kitchen.

She can probably borrow the stuff from college and we’ll need a dark bag, thermometer, graduated measuring vessels, and a film development tank – preferably with a stainless spiral.

I buy the film and chemicals (bc she’s broke student) and we’ll take it from there.

Plausible deniability + massive DHV + Isolation + wine + escalation = bang

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Meanwhile Lyon doing Lyon stuff with cameras and such

https://www.instagram.com/p/B8M7C5BgJhp/

Mike Land
Mike Land
1 year ago

On the photography front. I’d shoot something forgiving like a TX 400. Teach bracketing and go on a photo safari. Bathroom developing is somewhat easy. Arrange for late afternoon shoot, develop after. Loading dev tanks after dark in a closed bathroom is safe and no dark bag required. Bring a practice roll to teach loading. do the first in the lit room with the practice roll. Load the real roll in the dark together in the darkened bathroom. Things should develop. Processing the film is easy enough, hang in the bathroom. Raising the humidity is required for dust control, best… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

Palma Sailor
Meh…..

Great jealousy entertainment in that FR!

wodansthane
1 year ago

@Wahoo. Actually, she has thrown it in my face, while we were in bed. Hard not to take that personally. But you’re right, can’t fix the past. Thanks for clarifying some of these concepts. It will be a big help going forward, @ Sentient. “Trigger warning”, really?! Glad I have kittens and coloring books on hand. Seriously though, thanks. It’s easier to take straight. The moniker is from when I was a practicing heathen. Conflicted I may be, but not repressed. Not with that anyway. She’s not my first, wife. My experience, n-count under 20. Yeah, I get that this… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
1 year ago

Palma- only thing I would add re the photographer barmaid strategy is that you need to be sure the flirty/sexual/man to woman vibe is there.

She certainly enjoys talking to you but it’s not clear to me if there has been sexualisation (sexual topics? Laser? Cutting distance? Kino?)

Basically – the strategy is good but just be sure she doesn’t think she’s going for a platonic photo session with a guy who reminds her of her dad.

Mike Land
Mike Land
1 year ago

New to this forum, and just realized I should be using the reply button, duh. I know a thing or three about photography. My darkroom is crated up for redeployment at my next house. I have a few thousand feet of film in the freezer, a locker full of lenses and a few film bodies. Shooting is easy fun, developing film relatively easy. Printing is a lot more involved. I’m writing this from the perspective of what I would do if given this opportunity, not as advice. I’m highly interested in feedback on weaknesses in my theoretical approach. My approach… Read more »

Roused
1 year ago

I’d suggest a photo safari with forgiving 400 speed or faster film. TMX 3200 pulled to 1600 is very easy to shoot. I shoot Nikon F mount and would bring a digital body to swap in and check exposure. Early success in her exposures will keep the excitement going. Light meters can be dealt with later. Hey man, I used to be a photojournalist back in the day. Nothing like getting a woman to drop her panties when you mention Tri-X film, Dektol, D76 and whats your favorite f-stop. It’s F8 and be there…right? Gets you laid in the darkroom!… Read more »

Mike Land
Mike Land
1 year ago

Palma

I agree with your BB comment on discussing lenses etc. I mentioned that here to qualify myself to this audience.

What I intended to get accross was to use mastery of photography to make the endeavor successful and seem easy.

If she has an easy win, so too shall you.

Mike Land
Mike Land
1 year ago

Thanks for the plan analysis, exactly what I need. My understanding of your plan for her to fail, is this to have her express DLV and then try to qualify to you? Given further thought I think I see that having her succeed would give her a DHV and reduce eliminate the need to qualify to you. Have I got that right? My only thought would be that you would need to show a success for yourself where she fails to demonstrate higher value. Is your DHV based on showing your body of work or by some other method? Please… Read more »

Mike Land
Mike Land
1 year ago

Palma

you are exactly right on my status. I have a lot of deep seated conditioning to shake.

I see this as an obvious AMOG situation with her failure as a DLV and your mastery as a DHV being on deck

the nuts and bolts of execution are my obvious deficiency.

I look forward to a deeper dissection

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Mike Land

I see this as an obvious AMOG situation with her failure as a DLV and your mastery as a DHV being on deck

Say what? Go back and reread MM.

It’s DHV to get IOIs, and IOIs to get compliance. With compliance you get to sex.

That’s it. It’s not about photography. It’s not about making her a better photographer.

SJF
SJF
1 year ago

I don’t know of any old guys not getting laid that are laying down practical advice here.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

@Stefan

That first comment has some sad truth to it.
Scrolling down it’s good to see multiple comments with the words “cold approach” in a favorable way.

Blaximus
1 year ago

“I don’t know of any old guys not getting laid that are laying down practical advice here.” Lol. It’s reddit. Guys ( not men ) talking about ” hot young teenagers ” is informative enough. ” Practical ” advice : How fast can I get sex from a super hot young girl that is out of my league, as in the past they have thrown rocks at my head. No advice from old guys who have never had hot women throw rocks at their heads because you don’t know what it’s like in ( current year ). It’s All Different.… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

Palmasailor The manosphere and Red Pill has hit the Sunday Times Lol, sort of. Those sort of articles are usually along the lines of anthropological expeditions to some island or remote jungle. “The natives practice curious rituals, we attempted to record them. The natives gave us each a bead!” stuff. I like the bit in the opening about “Methods used by ISIS”. Reminds me of this totally horrifying thing: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/sicko-marriage-contract-one-ages Page one: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/sicko-marriage-contract-one-ages?page=0 The only thing wrong with most of this document is the spergy guy putting it all down on paper. PS: For the record, I’m opposed to kidnapping… Read more »

wodansthane
1 year ago

@ Sentient. Reading your response for the fourth time, one more to go as prescribed by HABD. A lot of work ahead, physical and mental, thanks again. As to WWWD? I think he’d next her.

walawala
walawala
1 year ago

@Wodansthane Thanks for posting. I’ll offer some very honest, Red-Pilled advice. Take it how you wish but at 55 I speak from experience. I’m in great shape, bang girls in their early 20’s and live my life the way I want. **I’m 60, been with my wife for close to 35 years. I stopped reading right here and knew where the rest of this was going. But I’ll highlight a few points: ***I have been a text-book-beta in ALL of my relationships prior. But I wasn’t engaged in beta behavior prior to it actually being a relationship. We’re talking 35… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

“Provision game” fail. Also IQ test fail, but never mind.

http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/burger-barter-bust-650129

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
1 year ago

Art imitates Life… As I am listening TTS to PalmaSailor’s black and white photography gambit, by coincidence I have a black and white album cover assigned to the mp3 file—which I add to avoid the default tied musical notes and to give me something to look at when I am stuck in traffic. I prefer nudes, not overtly sexual, in interesting poses. In this picture, is a beautiful woman looking straight at the viewer, sitting on the floor, her left leg in an awkward yoga pose, with the top of her foot pressing into and lifting her left breast. She’s… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

Any tips on holding your “mental point of origin” without feeling like an asshole? On Thursday night, this coworker calls me and we have a conversation. At the end, she asks me if we can hang out the next day because we haven’t spent time together in a long time. The next day comes and she is aloof and there is no contact. I wanted to leave, so I texted “are we on?…” Her response is a complete 180′ and basically, “I don’t have much time for you…” I knew this shit was going to happen since I know this… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
1 year ago

@Anonymous

Welcome to the Field Reports.

You knew what you needed to do – you just didn’t execute. You should have just left and not given her attention and validation (by asking if you were still on to meet).

Next time execute.

And the way you get better at this is by practicing – on lots of different women. When you have options with plenty of women, this will all come naturally to you.

Look up the beginner resources in this Field Report section and execute.

IAS
IAS
1 year ago

@Palma: fair enough. But HABD usually says it is good practice anyway so try to turn even a bad set around. The fact she reached out to you is still an IOI, we are talking a woman which slapped your face and you didn’t flinch. I’d say right move there (because 14 is special in a “Provider”, BB way as opposed to say, Halloween which is special in a AF way) is wait until the 15th, then give her some attention and setup a meet for you to proceed to game in person. If she doesn’t bite, you don’t really… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

@PalmaSailor This wasn’t for a date but just to hang out. This women only wants attention, validation and free resources. And yes, she is attractive and I would love to smash it. I think this is why men/women can’t be friends. She uses her beauty to sucker you in. Long time ago she openly told me that she masturbates and gets Brazilian waxes. Now why would you tell a male coworker this information? The reality is that she never wanted to smash but suckered me in with the hopes of seeing that wax job. This is a very well crafted… Read more »

Blaximus
1 year ago

I’m starting to believe the had there’s a invisible cut off date wrt to males having female friends.

It is 100% possible and I think highly beneficial. Women aren’t men and never will be. They are different, and it you’re actually trying to figure them out you will need to interact with them in different levels, not just to get laid.

Then you can bang practically any one of them you’d like while saving yourself time of frustration and angst.

They’ll only ” reciprocate ” if given reasons to do so.

wodansthane
1 year ago

@ walawala & Palma

Your comments are very sobering, you and the other guys have really got me thinking. Nothing quite like brutal frankness.

Silent Bob
Silent Bob
1 year ago

@Anonymous

Reality check. What kind of blue pill hopes are you still harbouring about this woman? It’s obvious there are some left. Snap out of it, your dreams and wishes won’t be fulfilled. Frustration is all you’ll be getting.

On the red pill side you have the understandings already but not enough strength to act based on them. The anger is good though, if you keep banging your head against the wall eventually it will grow big enough to act as the driving force.

disgruntledearthling
disgruntledearthling
1 year ago

Guys need to learn to not pick up or answer lame texts from woman on feb 13 or 14th. If you have lined something up before then then you’re probably in for a bad time

theasdgamer
1 year ago

A sight for sore eyes…

The family was vacationing in the Keys and I saw a jaw-droppingly-beautiful hispanic woman walking down the street clad in a one piece bathing suit. I couldn’t help staring briefly, lol.

Daughter Gamer said that the woman was trolling for looks. I offered that maybe her boyfriend broke up with her and she needed validation. DG agreed.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
1 year ago

Guys, Quick question, you may remember me posting about running into an old college acquaintance at a conference about 3-4 months ago and how she had the hots for me basically and we flirted but I didn’t want to mess around as she could be useful professionally. So I’m going to be at another conference soon, and I texted her saying “long time no hear – hope you’re well. Are you going to be at [conference]?” And she replied immediately saying “Good to hear from you…I will be there. Would be lovely to meet up. What are you speaking about… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Culum FFS… this shit again??? I replied telling her what I’m speaking about and added “I would appreciate it if you could take a look at my talk outline and give your comments” – on the basis that people like being asked their opinion and it may even be useful. No reply at all for two days now. My text game is generally on point but this one really puzzled me. The only explanation I can think of is a bit hard to believe – that she was hoping I texted purely socially (aka to arrange a “drink”/hookup at the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

that people like being asked their opinion and it may even be useful. Had to lol at this again… Girls that want to be fucked, want to be fucked. This ^^ is what an uncalibrated sperg thinks. You know that. The real hard question – WHY? Why would you do this? why not just say “where you staying?” – cat-o-nese for “you are going to get fucked” and then just say yes let’s have a drink and depending upon how close it is, work logistics or wait to closer… 9 or 9:30 is good. Juuuuust late enough to not be… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Would be lovely to meet up.

[sigh]

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Revised CS Playah: “So I’m going to be at another conference soon, and I texted her saying “long time no hear – hope you’re well. Are you going to be at [conference]?” Girl Who Has Been Dreaming of CS Cock for YEARS: “Good to hear from you…I will be there. Would be lovely to meet up. What are you speaking about at the conference?” CS Playah: [ignores beta bait] “Where are you staying?” Girl Who Has Been Dreaming of CS Cock for YEARS: “hahaha… Marriott Westside” CS Playa: [looks up dark cocktail bar nearby] “I could do a drink at… Read more »

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