Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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So some fringe social circle stuff leaking out… One woman i’ve seen around for like five years, would say hey while she was walking her dog or what not. She was pleasant enough. But nothing beyond, hello, weather etc. and moving on. 5 minutes. every three months or so. attractive. Would also run into her and a guy or girl friend while out with friends myself and again, hellos, what’s new etc. nothing much, good seeing you. so long. kind of stuff. Then maybe 8 months ago she was seated next to me at a bar, side by side. I… Read more »

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“i was holding back. Not really amped up at all”.

https://www.getroman.com/drugs/viagra

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“Looking at it from here that’s the moment I would have”

The issue here isn’t in not knowing how to seal the deal (sentient isn’t a rookie). It’s in not feeling like doing it. I’ve read a lot of field reports here with guys getting to the red zone (softnek, culum, blax) but then for whatever reason there’s something that prevents them from finishing the job (“ehhhhhh I don’t really feel like it anymore. The validation was enough.” I still got it baby! ).

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Ex wife also insisted on throwing out an incredible collection of jackets that I used to wear out with my wing and bought me boring arse shit shirts etc…

Unless you instructed her to prune your wardrobe, that was a major shit test. “Mommy” can do that to the closet of her “little boy”…wifey gets to put clean clothing away and mend things. That’s pretty much it.

No wonder she’s your ex.

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J The validation was enough.” I still got it baby! I think you are projecting with the validation thing. By this metric it would be more validating to go home with her, so i should have joined her invitation to do so. To me, in this instance, it wasn’t a big deal and I had second thoughts about a deeper entanglement, despite her being good looking and cool enough to be around. [interestingly part of those second thoughts come from the triggering questions about marriage and the psychoanalysis many want to do. a deeper topic to explore in another thread.]… Read more »

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“By this metric it would be more validating to go home with her, so i should have joined her invitation to do so” No. You, like the catch and release crowd here, get your validation in the form of “I still got it baby!” Catch and release: noun A cycle which sees someone enjoy the thrill of the chase, lose interest as soon as they’ve ‘caught’ their target and immediately embark upon a new search Where “catch” here, doesn’t require actually fucking the girl to get it. All you gotta do to get this form of validation is to convince… Read more »

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“Sex or an objection to sex [you didn’t solve]”

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“You’re assuming you’re going to bang anything you encounter regardless of any further info / red flags that come to lite bc that’s what you do if you can.” If I’m talking to an attractive girl, which I’m assuming sentient’s girl was, then the only red flags that would make me go “uhh no thanks” are: “By the way I have XYZ STD” “By the way I was born a guy” which isn’t the case here. I don’t let moral compasses guide my decisions so if I get, “I have a boyfriend/husband” I’m still going for it. Let’s separate banging… Read more »

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“is to convince yourself you would’ve slept with her if you felt like it “

This is just more of your projection. No such claims have been made… But you can’t conceive of this not being about validation.

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You’re assuming you’re going to bang anything you encounter

The formerly incel take a long time to get out of this stage, if they do at all. MUST BANG ALL WOMEN…

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“is to convince yourself you would’ve slept with her if you felt like it “

No such claims have been made…

I don’t see how it could be any other way. Either that or she wasn’t hot enough. Because the objection/red flag (I gave 2 legitimate red flags in response to Palma’s comment) you gave for not going through with it was bogus (“deeper entanglement”).

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@j: what about:
Chances of regret after the fact leading to, e.g., FRA?
Chances of girl intentionally or unintentionally getting pregnant?
Chances of girl getting too fond of you and changing her mind about being cool with being the side chick (or never actually intending it in the first place)?

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I luv @J. ( the preceding statement has been rated non homo )

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Halloween vid that should be scary for girls, especially those over 30.

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@IAS None of these “chances” you presented affects my decision of whether or not to pull a girl home this evening. FRA? I never (and neither should anyone else who knows what they’re doing) spend a second thinking about (nor fearing) a girl accusing me of raping her after I fucked her. That’s boogeyman manosphere shit. unintentional pregnancies? Majority of girls I fucked via SNL (19-28 years old), have all been without a condom. Zero pregnancy scares to date. As Chase wrote in a recent article over at GC, “if you go around dropping loads into random girls you pick… Read more »

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Lol, of course, I agree with Sentient and Palma. More on that later tho. IAS Sup man? Chances of regret after the fact leading to, e.g., FRA? Never had this, although once on vacation my 1st wife said I raped her because I kicked the bathroom door open and threw her over my shoulder and tossed her in bed and was ” rough “. I ( jokingly ) told her to stfu, and we had a good laugh. Chances of girl intentionally or unintentionally getting pregnant? Yeah, gotta watch out for this shit. I think a lot of guys mistakenly… Read more »

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Aight so we agree FRAs are bullshit. And we agree the chances of unintentionally knocking up a chick are incredibly low (only 2 pregnancy scares in your 25+ years of banging chicks. And I’m assuming they weren’t girls you picked up on the very first night you met them (this applies to K too. She may express interest in wanting to have kids now via her, “you make beautiful girls” comment, but….I know @22 she’s had numerous sex partners. Whether they were one night stands, social circle hookups, boyfriends, she still ain’t pregnant. None of them may have expressed the… Read more »

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@ J Lol. K has had sex, a couple of bf’s and some other shit, but she hasn’t had a whole lot ( cock carousel ). Granted, she might get there one day now that she lives in Brooklyn as opposed to rural Maryland, and her parents are farther away. And no, ” speed ” ain’t my thang. Lol. Quantity and quality. But I don’t care what anybody wrote, biology works and a chick can indeed get pregnant with one shot. I have heard too many times over the years about guys knocking up some random ONS. Unless your swimmers… Read more »

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Most of what I understand about FRA’s come from the stuff I’ve been reading over the past few years, but I’ve never experienced anything remotely like that. I’m not sure what these guys are doing, or how they choose, but in some circles it seems to be a ” thing ” now.

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“now that she lives in Brooklyn as opposed to rural Maryland, and her parents are farther away.”

uh oh…lol

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“uh oh…lol”

…. yeah, I know.

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The problem with @j’s analysis (I had a longer post on this a few months ago but my google-fu isn’t up to finding it) is that ignores the concept of EV. That is to say, an analysis of risk like this (FRAs, pregnancies, STDs, whatever) has to take into account not just how likely the risk is, but also how serious it is. The more serious it is, the more important that it be mitigated even if the absolute chances are relatively low. Sure, the absolute chances of getting an FRA are pretty low. The chances of a pregnancy scare… Read more »

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@Palma, No I agree with you (I also loved that movie as a kid). I was addressing a different point with @j. Sentient decided to eject for some reason unknown to his conscious brain. He just perceived it as “not feeling it”. Which is a perfectly valid reason. The actual underlying reason could be anything – maybe subcomms implying she’ll turn into a bunny boiler, maybe she’s not hot enough..whatever. Certainly, once I nailed my online dating skills I’d go on like 5 day business trips and once I’d slept with a woman/women on night 1/night 2, and was no… Read more »

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Fletcher Cox ( ironic name ), habitual line stepper😂

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KftzM3QJQJY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EnvnCdPxuhQ

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Kids today…

And we agree the chances of unintentionally knocking up a chick are incredibly low

I have a friend who is a trial lawyer. He tells worked up emotional people they have about a 17% chance of losing at trial, do they still want to go ahead with it? They all say yes.

Then he tells them those are the same odds as Russian Roulette, do you still want to try the case? And most say no.
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Palma / Culum “Which is why he posted it here. To analyse that. It wasn’t validation, it was to understand what happened and why.” Really just thought it was interesting. The whole thing, from the little ioi’s spread out over the months, to how she reacted when put on the spot, how I sat there and said almost nothing for an hour… just increased the kino and intensity… all that kind of stuff. and yeah some ruminating on the ending and really how it makes me feel when they start asking what I consider “personal questions”. That is the real… Read more »

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The chances of a pregnancy scare if you’re regularly barebacking and coming inside young fertile women are actually not that low (but that’s a separate discussion).

A lot of the younger girls are using the Plan B pill as a method of birth control. Heck, I saw it on the shelf at Walmart…
Someone of that age I know also knows she has Gonorrhea, but keeps spreading it to different Tinder guys while ‘she gets around to treating it’…

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Game example http://datagenetics.com/blog/february22016/index.html “According to the internet (so it has to be true), there is a variant of the Russian Roulette problem that is commonly asked as an interview question. It goes like this: “Let’s play a game of Russian Roulette. You are tied to a chair. Here’s a gun, six chambers, all empty. Now watch me as I put two bullets in the gun into adjacent chambers. I close the cylinder and spin it. I put the gun to your head and pull the trigger. Click. You’re still alive. Lucky you! Now, before we discuss your résumé, I’m going… Read more »

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https://www.nba.com/nets/brooklynettes-dancers

lol where dem HB8-9s at???

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disgruntledearthling A lot of the younger girls are using the Plan B pill as a method of birth control. Heck, I saw it on the shelf at Walmart… Every drug store has it now, not just in the college towns. Pretty sure it’s something a girl has to go get a pharmacist to unlock, but that’s not a huge deal. She can keep her eyes on her shoes the whole time. Someone of that age I know also knows she has Gonorrhea, but keeps spreading it to different Tinder guys while ‘she gets around to treating it’… “Gets around to”,… Read more »

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@Sentient

That is the real interesting part for me, it happens over and over.

sooo, you recognize that it is structural… and not a personal one-off…

Still trying to figure out if it they’re validating themselves i.e. she thinks “she’s so special/hot/whatever” a married guy wants her or they are trying to slot themselves into a female pecking order or maybe it’s something else. Still trying to figure the words to describe the question actually… It’s very odd, but a common situation.

how about the last token beta bait/sh*t test for AF… before they go all in?…

good luck!

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” lol where dem HB8-9s at???”

Same places they’ve always been.

As I’ve said numerous time, 8-9’s aren’t common, 6-7’s are plentiful. Most guys get 5-6 and think they’re hitting a jackpot.
Same as it ever was.

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Girls at the hotel have been hitting on me…one is always hanging around me working as long as possible in my vicinity…another looked at me and told me some sh*t about “taking what you love”. (Blax wouldn’t like her–she’s too skinny.) But I’m just their girl friend…barely talk to either one…just being polite… …it seems that southern girls don’t try to hide their interest when they first see you (white/hispanic/black)…I get sexy smiles in the south that I don’t get in the north…not saying that northern girls are any less sexual, but they seem to hide showing their sexual interest… Read more »

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after just meeting her the night before, here’s a next-day text to me commenting on how far I got with with her:

“…. I should never have allowed that, but it felt good ….”

that sums it all up right there, fellas lol

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lol @ Palma…”explain”…girls typically haven’t a clue why they like a man…they’ll say all kinds of sh*t, but really, they haven’t a clue…a girl, talking about her ugly lover will say, “He has a cute grin.” Really, however, he’s just very masculine and confident and not insecure and enforces his boundaries

You pay too much attention to what women say.

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Huh??? What??? Yo, engage them and pull the answers out while blowing past the fluff. Game son. You can ” ask ” her if she likes older men 10 different ways in a 10 minute conversation without ever saying ” older “, she’ll answer you 10 different ways, and a pattern ( along with a fairly accurate representation of the truth ) will emerge. Try this next time a girl smiles at you😁 , start talking to her and midway through, start moving around/back and see if she adjusts to maintain she contact and proximity. They do all kinds of… Read more »

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LOL – just lol at the Millionaire Matchmaker on that app. All I noticed was that she looks like a man and something about “wanting an alpha male”.

As for the other woman, surely that’s just all the guys messaging her for an easy lay (and if she’s new to the app she probably gets more visibility).

Did you not even get a notification your picture was deleted? Aren’t there other men with shirtless pictures?

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” . . . something about “wanting an alpha male”.”

That something was wanting an alpha male at work but a beta at home. A hunter/warrior who asks for her enthusiastic consent to be dominant, now and again, when it suits her.

There used to be a term that was so common and so well understood that it became embedded in English common law as a proper legal term:

Spinster.

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“You can ” ask ” her if she likes older men 10 different ways in a 10 minute conversation without ever saying ” older “, she’ll answer you 10 different ways, and a pattern ( along with a fairly accurate representation of the truth ) will emerge. Try this next time a girl smiles at you😁 , start talking to her and midway through, start moving around/back and see if she adjusts to maintain she contact and proximity. They do all kinds of shit that belies their words.” Lol, the pattern only emerges if you have eyes to see. You… Read more »

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“Amirite?”

Yes. She is putting it all on you because she told so she can never be at fault. It’s. A big lol.

The play is to just go forward as if he doesn’t exist or exists only in an abstract sense. As things firm up you can refer to him as “her boy” from time to time. Like “your boy can buy you dinner”…

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yeah with girls with boyfriends the idea is you want to frame them as low value by highlighting the things these girls want, that their boyfriends don’t provide. Them flirting with you, despite the fact that they’ve told you they’re taken, hints at something missing in their lives. Your job, as a seducer, is to find out what that certain something (could also be multiple things) is. And have her see that you can provide what she desperately wants. Be that, adventure, passion, multiple orgasms etc.,

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@palma

Oh ya. I watched the 2000 British film, Gangster No 1, with Paul Bettany before heading out to the bars last weekend. It’s definitely up there with Goodfellas and Scarface as one of the coolest gangster movies I’ve ever watched. Strong recommendation.

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“have her see that you can provide what she desperately wants” Have FR from the other night on this exact topic. Which was verbalize along the lines of “with you (me) I could have everything (everything being open hypergamy with her husband and family and me as a naughty side). Wrapped in shit test I’m still puzzling over… Won’t get to until Monday… Palma On the bartender IF you can set the frame that you both know it’s a pretext, which J is alluding to with “specializing”, then yes do that. Because that covers everything I.e. it shows you as… Read more »

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fyi, I have a new post on my blog about an alleged crime by the President. In it, I show how one might use Game to answer political questions.

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@J – Experience LMR for, I think the firts time ever in maybe 40 or so lays. I honestly thought it was just something that happened to other people and not me lol I was gaming some young (20?)Russian girl. I mentioned her in a prior FR. She was the girl who recognised me from tinder and I gamed her for a bit and we danced and made out but she wouldn’t let me come back with her So I bump into her agian last night, and she was the one doing the chasing. A few times I was chatting… Read more »

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” a few weeks back about being out with my slayer friend and we were gaming these 2 teenage 9’s! “

Lol @ the explanation points.

2 teenage 9’s huh?

Not one, but two nines.

Is it fashion week or something where you are?

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@ford “Does she tihink i’m a pussy and I should have at least pushed harder this morning?” Yeah. And by “pushed harder’ I mean tell sex stories WITHOUT sexually escalating on her. What we wanna do here is get her sexually curious via the stories to want to actually experience what these other girls got to experience with you. Tell the stories in a way where your not trying to turn her on with them. Your just sharing something funny that happened to you recently (the story you tell doesn’t have to be recently. Like if your telling her a… Read more »

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@ j -cheers – I had a flashback, and I tihnk the fact that I couldn’t remember her name on the walk back to her place might have played a role, tbh!! (probably the last thing she wanted to hear after telling me she’s never had a one night stand lol)

I think its’ dead with her now, but i’ll try to remember the sex talk stuff for the next girl!

The one that got away Steady 7 to my tastes: https://imgur.com/a/j4eeD1f

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I’m asking 19-25 year old chicks about dating ” older ” men. I see the pattern developing similar to this :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1ECkQl3veLE

But there’s more to it than the initial responses, which is usually the case.

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“2 teenage 9’s huh?

Not one, but two nines.

Is it fashion week or something where you are?”

Beautiful women tend to have beautiful women as friends.

” the takeaway from all the shit is: dont escalate until you can tell she’s too turned on to want to stop you.”

A woman’s primary sexual organ is between her ears. If you want to turn a woman on, escalate her primary sexual organ.

Tease, titillate, confuse, amuse, and tease–but never explicate.

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@Blax: rules for betas, broken for alphas.

Or should I say…

In before Blax goes (holding EC)
“Oldest guy you’d date”
“How old are YOU?” (batting eyelids)

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Dude. You know who you are. Get Rollo to delete that last post, like now-ish.

It took me exactly 6 minutes to find the story.

PS – LOL. It’s pretty funny. Don’t worry, it’ll die down but just take proactive steps now like you’ve been taking.

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PPS – Don’t worry too much. I found it because I’ve read most of what you’ve posted here. Without that background the connection is much harder to make. But still, better safe than sorry.

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It is funny. I think I came across that article as a “trending” item the other day and there was a line in it that made me think of “our guy”…

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Get Rollo to delete that last post, like now-ish.

+1…

then just come back (with an even different name) without the acknowledgement…

we’ll figure it out…lol

good luck!

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@HABD

Glad you figured it out!

what i mean is, delete all of this new barnaclebill comments… then just come back and don’t reference any of your prior stuff… we’ll figure out who you are… make a clean break…

good luck!

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Brain Trust Thoughts? Very specific question on motives,this is not a “how do you bang” question. Being brief… So with the married situation… went no contact, stopped replying to texts. a few weeks go by, she contrives a reason to resume on some neighborhood bs. Interesting that girls chasing texts look like beta guy texts, she’d ask a question referring to whatever slim info about my life she knew i was going to do like “How was XYZ??” I’m Joe Friday, super straight and few words “Good, thanks” she responding to this kind of stuff with “Oh great!! I’m so… Read more »

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Field report. Was out this weekend to a pub to see a band, had a plate that was going as well. I was getting IOI’s from several women deliberately dancing up against me and giving me eyes. Feel like it was preselection in play. My question is what is the best way to get another woman’s information when you are already out with another woman. It is a small place and hard to sepaerate from plate. Suggestions?

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Tell the target to go to the bathroom and write her number down on a cocktail napkin. Then she can slip it to you.

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Presumably the woman is asking about the number of affairs mainly as a kind of investment test – she is so into you, it’s like a hurdle she’s holding up for you to jump. Not qualifying in a bad way but a good way – she’s so into you that she wants something from you to show how much you like her back if that makes sense – that you’re not too far above her. It so happens to be this, but it could have been anything. Tricky to see how to give her what she wants now after she’s… Read more »

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@Not-Sentient when you do things like this with girls: “I would periodically move my leg against hers, briefly. she never moved off. eventually our legs were pressed side by side, and once and a while i’d scratch my knee and just graze her leg while doing so.” “Slide my hand up between her legs and just rub her pussy lazily while she keeps on talking” “we chit chat a second then square up and make out. slide my hand up her dress and finger her a little” “I just say “maybe I just like you” and she feels my chest… Read more »

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@Some Other Guy welcome!… always nice to get more participation from new guys…lol Brain Trust Thoughts? Very specific question on motives,this is not a “how do you bang” question. Being brief… So with the married situation… went no contact, stopped replying to texts. a few weeks go by, she contrives a reason to resume on some neighborhood bs. on the AF part of her monthly cycle, no doubt…lol Interesting that girls chasing texts look like beta guy texts, she’d ask a question referring to whatever slim info about my life she knew i was going to do like “How was… Read more »

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“Anyway the drama potential here near your home seems to be sky high. Why bother?”

+10 points to Team Don’t-Get-Married!

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4670da4b-abbb-4355-97a2-a9a6c3bfb83f

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Not J

Those are two different women.

And you missed the part about the “vibe”.

Thx

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props to the naturals, you illuminate some of the dark corners like nobody else can perhaps I can speak more to those trying to change themselves with bits from my own personal journey (still far unfinished); maybe my breadcrumbs can help in the same ways I needed help and found much of it from this site… thanks to all for that I used to visit this site with great regularity, following the articles and commentary, finding kinship and wisdom freely given but not always easily parsed; I’ll never forget a comment about TRM becoming ‘comfort food’ and then I realized… Read more »

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@SOG: I’m with Culum. Why bother?

The number of affairs is like girls asking how many girls you slept with. Standard shit test. You can giver her a hoop yourself.

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Woman asking married guy how many. Married woman wants sex specifically, but is trying to gauge if you will be a risk to her own marriage. Is he a rookie? Will he make things complicated and problematic with some form of needy behavior? Will he get angry for whatever reason and blow my shit up? Or has he engaged in this enough to get the rules ? Other possibility: she’s running through her imagination that this could be more than garden variety affair, and is trying to figure out where you might stand , amicable or nah. Have you routinely… Read more »

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Serious Question:

Where did the pages and some of the comments go?

I was looking to download more Field Report pages. I had downloaded page 140. The 99th comment was Blaximus is calling Ford a “Child molesting piece of shit.” Comment 100 was from J, but it used to begin with “She also regularly talks about her bfimilar age kids”, but ends the same. These comments are now on page 136 and the final page is 137. What gives?

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@HABD you forgot to mention to This Other New Guy Who Escalates Left and Right And Leaves It At That (TM) that hamsters can get frustrated, annoyed, irritated etc. and make a u-turn. I think you should write a piece on de-escalation 101. Like, before one of the girls with a brushed stomach, caressed leg, squeezed hips and kissed lips happens to have nothing to lose and creates more drama to feel important/alive. Looks like the stats are building up… luckily for our King Midas, the married ones w/ kids seem to have a safety valve (something to lose) built-in…… Read more »

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@If-I-Fell

Shhhh…. house unmanaged manages itself wink

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Nice comments as per usual.

” Looks like she’s used to getting what she wants by escalating frame battles.”

True dat. Which is why breaking is important. There is a psychological game competent as well.

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Where them Ocelots at?
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Why bother?

Complex indeed.

Why Bother = ((Does one live life, does one shackle one’s self?) * (Slippery Slope Is Slippery + Cool, Fun Women, Energy)) / (Where is Authenticity? + How does one get here?)

something like that. Not sure on the math.

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@If-I-Fell

A popular commenter here had a little public problem related to a business deal. So he deleted all his comments. And that is why the contraction occurred.

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@j – Was chatting to JameTusk on whatsapp earlier. He’s Pretty sure that me not knowing that girls name on the walk back basically turned her already high ‘slut concerns’ (due to her being Russian) into overdrive which was why she basically changed her mind hard. Annoying. Honestly don’t tihnk there’s anything I could have done back at her place as she shut the gate hard. Went into her bedroom, she left immediately for a min, and then came back in and was like ”Nothings gonna happen” and wouldn’t allow any attempt to escalate at all. Certainly wasn’t ‘token resistance’… Read more »

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Ford, you don’t understand, lol. And when people explain it to you, you still don’t understand. For the other readers… When you don’t remember a girl’s name, it’s like date 2 or fuck 2. You have to start at step 1 and demonstrate value and introduce uncertainty about whether or not you actually wanna f*ck the broad so that you get her chasing you hard. Again. The broad has to show interest in you. Then you show interest in her after she has shown interest at least twice. If you are really good at it, you wait until the third… Read more »

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@ford Ironically the last time I got LMR, the girl was also Russian. Only the reason she gave me LMR wasn’t because I forgot her name (didn’t even ask (or maybe I did and forget immediately lol), it was because she was uncomfortable with the fact that she didn’t approve/trust the guy that ended up taking her sister to an “afterparty” (guy was an extroverted Indian looking dude. The sister a blonde Russian beauty. Found out later he didn’t bang) so they went back to his place. While I went back to the Russians hotel. The sexual vibe was gone… Read more »

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@J – Funnily enough, the convo when I forgot her name on the way back to her house was almost identical to your hypothetical one. I asked her to tell me MY name to kind of flip the script! She remembered instantly lol. I pushed her and laughed and was like ”Oh, shit”. She was like ”OK, we can’t do this. get a cab from here” (or something like that). I said something to make her laugh and then was lke ”But yeah, i’m retarded. I’ve got a shit memory. Tell me it one more time” and she did. I… Read more »

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@ford “i’m guessing more sex talk on the walk back to hers could have helped” Not on the way to the sex location (unless your planning on fucking her outside). AT the sex location. Like if you KNOW it’s not gonna be one of those “walk through the house, take off your shoes, (maybe “use the restroom” to play out the plausible deniability) then escalate straight to sex” situations. Then follow my advice on the sex talk. And build up the sexual tension first before trying to get physical. On the way to the sex location keep it to just… Read more »

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@J/Ford “I also missed the chance to use the old ”We’re not having sex” line on her when she first brouhgt up how she’d never slept with a random guy from a bar”. Ehh don’t worry about it. I personally never say that line first. I just agree with them (cause if they bring it up that means they definitely thinking about fucking) “aight that’s cool just cuddling tonight” or whatever and then we fuck 😃<<<< On the “We’re not having sex” line. I NEVER use that and if it’s used on me I respond in one of two ways:… Read more »

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“What makes you think I’d want to FUCK you?” This ALWAYS gets the wide-eyed look because firstly it’s a disqualifier on my part and it uses the word FUCK instead of “sex” or “sleep”. When the girl starts babbling I add “I’m picky…there’s a test.” Then they always ask what the test is. From there I make up some qualifiers: “Are you insane?” “Are you a good kisser?” “Do you prefer showers or hot baths?”” Nice. Thanks @Walawala! Never really thought about switching it up since my less confrontational style works so well, but I love the frame behind your… Read more »

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OK Blax,

What are you angling at with that Bilzerian clip?

What i see is a queer interviewing a pussy blind chump who needs to ease up on the HGH. 90 people employed so he doesn’t have to make his bed, do laundry or make meals? Really? One wife will cut that all down.

And he is still worried about managing his girls… IDK

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“And he is still worried about managing his girls… IDK” I do know. Me, judgmental me. He’s fine. He’s apex alpha. Not a worry in the world except the chaos of conquests of girls. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But it is not what is going on here. And I like the fact that Blax is questioned by Sentient in terms of Blax being Apex male alpha and celebrating that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. At all. And it is a goal. Seldomly reached. But aspiration-ally. What every man should shoot for. But Dan Bilzarian… Read more »

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Hey Coolio

Why did you stop commenting?

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And then there is Happiness. And being fine with your own milieu. Just enjoying how you are and what you are doing. That is the trick.

I think Dan Bilzarian is doing that.

Really SJF? It’s ALL show biz…

Cialis? WTF… [shakes head]

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Thanks IRL, SJF and anyone else I didn’t see. I was concerned that somebody was messing with Rollo or what’s left of our free speech. You notice these things when your numbering scheme includes page numbers and they regress.

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@Rollo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l-4WvqRt9v0 Honestly I have to ask what you’re doing here? As if the 21 Conn wasn’t enough you’re going to associate with this guy who is suggesting people mortgage their houses to participate in what I’m almost 100% convinced is a Ponzi scheme. Your stated aim is to stop men eating bullets but you’re getting involved with someone running something which has a disproportionate likelihood of making that happen to the men that are being skinned when the whole shit show collapses / is exposed. By all means make money from your work or your consultancy but I’m at… Read more »

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@j

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I look at it more as playful and swiping shit tests. Girls see you deflecting shit tests as a sign of confidence not confrontation

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Lol, I posted the Blizerian piece because of what he said in the first few minutes about talking to girls wherever they are, and not being worried about rejection and gaining confidence. However much of Dan is real, dudes like that are informative. He’s not the sharpest tool in the shed and I think he’s learned/learning some serious lessons over time ( ed drugs, heart attacks, steroids, women ) so I’ll watch his interviews and listen closely. The other thing I found interesting was when he talked about the hours in a day to get shit done. I see a… Read more »

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@walawala “Girls see you deflecting shit tests as a sign of confidence not confrontation” Both our styles pass her shit test (failing would be having a logical discussion about why she won’t sleep with you). By agreeing with her that were not fucking tonight (Todd took down JP’s infield from YouTube, but that clip had a great example of what I do), I’m working with her to sneak past the ASD guard without waking him up and fucking shit up as YaReally used to say. Compared to your style, yeah it is more confrontational (while playful), yet still passes her… Read more »

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“Cialis? WTF… [shakes head]” I would doubt he’s taking it merely for a limp dick. He’s obviously into weightlifting and it gives a greater “pump” in the gym. It has other benefits from a medical standpoint. From Jay Campbell in his Testosterone Optimization Therapy Bible: When men think of the drug Cialis, they think about older men enhancing erectile strength for better sex. We’re here to tell you that this medication does much more than fix erectile dysfunction. In fact, it has massive benefits for the aging male who is into TOT and life optimization as a whole! In fact,… Read more »

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Here is what I do. This may not work for everyone, but it does for me. I’m on a dating site. I’m almost 50. I’m 6’2″, green eyes, have my hair, not ugly, I’m fit & have a professional job. It also helps I’m in a vacation destination town. So I just “like” everyone that looks good. I figure 90% attraction is in the face, so they will “like” back or not. Then I hit them with a smart-ass comment like “You look hot, but…” or “You’re fit, but…”. “Those legs would look good around me…” etc. Corny works to… Read more »

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SJF Too much endogenous test kills boners, as does cocaine. ” Speaking to Graham Bensinger, he spoke of how his excessive use of cocaine and Viagra, as well as binge drinking over four days, resulted in two heart attacks. At the time he was only 25, which goes to show just how much strain he was putting on his heart with the drugs. He claims that he took six times the recommended dose of Viagra, a lot of cocaine, weed and drank for four days straight with about an hour’s sleep. This led to a pain in his shoulder, which… Read more »

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Blax Medically speaking too much exogenous (Not endogenous) Test suppresses endogenous Test production. Exogenous test doesn’t kill boners it inhibits natural production. If exogenous Test is discontinued, then yes, boners are killed. Lots of cocaine constricts blood vessels and inhibits heart function and increases clotting resulting in cocaine overdosing and heart attack. It is merely toxicity of cocaine. Enough cross-talking. I’m not invested in Dan Bilzarian, he is an outlier, which was my original point. And my comeback point was that he’s not likely taking cialis because he can’t get it up, but because he likes the pump in the… Read more »

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Short FR re my ongoing attempts to blend Game into daily life (as explained in previous posts). I am travelling again, attending a conference somewhere English speaking (it’s the season for them). -When I go out alone to pull women, same issues as usual – freezing up, not approaching, horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach etc. -The rest of the time in “normal” life at the conference etc, I made a real effort to talk more to women (conference organizers, waitresses, other attendees etc) – just some conversation more than “business”, maybe a joke or a tease or… Read more »

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@Culum

“-When I go out alone to pull women, same issues as usual – freezing up, not approaching, horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach etc.”

I’m wondering if you’re feeling too much pressure.

I’m also wondering if you should approach women you have no interest in at all just for the practice, ie no outcome dependence?

Does any of it actually matter, and who is the prize here?

Just my thoughts

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@Culum “Need to keep it up and transition it to proper cold approach going out.” You don’t actually, you can go indirect with the barstool shuffle oops thump.. which allows you to open communication without issuing an unearned IOI. Keep in mind plausible deniability, get an open on alternative terms that allows you to shoot a witty one liner, scan for an IOI within the group and move on from that. “Damn I’m sorry to whack your stool, will you be ok or shall I notify my insurers” etc… Take the piss out of life more, and put yourself under… Read more »

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“I’m also wondering if you should approach women you have no interest in at all just for the practice, ie no outcome dependence?

Does any of it actually matter, and who is the prize here?”

Think about it.

Clear your head, and <think about it.

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@Lord Lucan – indeed. I agree with everything you say. And yet, that feeling in the pit of my stomach which means I stiffen up and everything I do on online dates goes right out of my head and I freeze up completely or (sometimes) say something but then self-eject almost immediately.. ..that’s why after banging my head against that wall for a couple of years, I’m doing what Sentient and HABD have been saying for ages and making this just part of my daily life, step by step so it isn’t “on” and “off”. On that note, a few… Read more »

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