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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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ford
ford
6 months ago

@j – Was chatting to JameTusk on whatsapp earlier. He’s Pretty sure that me not knowing that girls name on the walk back basically turned her already high ‘slut concerns’ (due to her being Russian) into overdrive which was why she basically changed her mind hard. Annoying. Honestly don’t tihnk there’s anything I could have done back at her place as she shut the gate hard. Went into her bedroom, she left immediately for a min, and then came back in and was like ”Nothings gonna happen” and wouldn’t allow any attempt to escalate at all. Certainly wasn’t ‘token resistance’… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 months ago

Ford, you don’t understand, lol. And when people explain it to you, you still don’t understand. For the other readers… When you don’t remember a girl’s name, it’s like date 2 or fuck 2. You have to start at step 1 and demonstrate value and introduce uncertainty about whether or not you actually wanna f*ck the broad so that you get her chasing you hard. Again. The broad has to show interest in you. Then you show interest in her after she has shown interest at least twice. If you are really good at it, you wait until the third… Read more »

j
j
6 months ago

@ford Ironically the last time I got LMR, the girl was also Russian. Only the reason she gave me LMR wasn’t because I forgot her name (didn’t even ask (or maybe I did and forget immediately lol), it was because she was uncomfortable with the fact that she didn’t approve/trust the guy that ended up taking her sister to an “afterparty” (guy was an extroverted Indian looking dude. The sister a blonde Russian beauty. Found out later he didn’t bang) so they went back to his place. While I went back to the Russians hotel. The sexual vibe was gone… Read more »

ford
ford
6 months ago

@J – Funnily enough, the convo when I forgot her name on the way back to her house was almost identical to your hypothetical one. I asked her to tell me MY name to kind of flip the script! She remembered instantly lol. I pushed her and laughed and was like ”Oh, shit”. She was like ”OK, we can’t do this. get a cab from here” (or something like that). I said something to make her laugh and then was lke ”But yeah, i’m retarded. I’ve got a shit memory. Tell me it one more time” and she did. I… Read more »

j
j
6 months ago

@ford “i’m guessing more sex talk on the walk back to hers could have helped” Not on the way to the sex location (unless your planning on fucking her outside). AT the sex location. Like if you KNOW it’s not gonna be one of those “walk through the house, take off your shoes, (maybe “use the restroom” to play out the plausible deniability) then escalate straight to sex” situations. Then follow my advice on the sex talk. And build up the sexual tension first before trying to get physical. On the way to the sex location keep it to just… Read more »

walawala
walawala
6 months ago

@J/Ford “I also missed the chance to use the old ”We’re not having sex” line on her when she first brouhgt up how she’d never slept with a random guy from a bar”. Ehh don’t worry about it. I personally never say that line first. I just agree with them (cause if they bring it up that means they definitely thinking about fucking) “aight that’s cool just cuddling tonight” or whatever and then we fuck 😃<<<< On the “We’re not having sex” line. I NEVER use that and if it’s used on me I respond in one of two ways:… Read more »

j
j
6 months ago

“What makes you think I’d want to FUCK you?” This ALWAYS gets the wide-eyed look because firstly it’s a disqualifier on my part and it uses the word FUCK instead of “sex” or “sleep”. When the girl starts babbling I add “I’m picky…there’s a test.” Then they always ask what the test is. From there I make up some qualifiers: “Are you insane?” “Are you a good kisser?” “Do you prefer showers or hot baths?”” Nice. Thanks @Walawala! Never really thought about switching it up since my less confrontational style works so well, but I love the frame behind your… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Use html tags

< tag open> content </ tag close>

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago
Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

OK Blax,

What are you angling at with that Bilzerian clip?

What i see is a queer interviewing a pussy blind chump who needs to ease up on the HGH. 90 people employed so he doesn’t have to make his bed, do laundry or make meals? Really? One wife will cut that all down.

And he is still worried about managing his girls… IDK

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

“And he is still worried about managing his girls… IDK” I do know. Me, judgmental me. He’s fine. He’s apex alpha. Not a worry in the world except the chaos of conquests of girls. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But it is not what is going on here. And I like the fact that Blax is questioned by Sentient in terms of Blax being Apex male alpha and celebrating that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. At all. And it is a goal. Seldomly reached. But aspiration-ally. What every man should shoot for. But Dan Bilzarian… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

Hey Coolio

Why did you stop commenting?

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

And then there is Happiness. And being fine with your own milieu. Just enjoying how you are and what you are doing. That is the trick.

I think Dan Bilzarian is doing that.

Really SJF? It’s ALL show biz…

Cialis? WTF… [shakes head]

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
6 months ago

Thanks IRL, SJF and anyone else I didn’t see. I was concerned that somebody was messing with Rollo or what’s left of our free speech. You notice these things when your numbering scheme includes page numbers and they regress.

walawala
walawala
6 months ago

@j

less confrontational style<\tag>

I look at it more as playful and swiping shit tests. Girls see you deflecting shit tests as a sign of confidence not confrontation

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

Lol, I posted the Blizerian piece because of what he said in the first few minutes about talking to girls wherever they are, and not being worried about rejection and gaining confidence. However much of Dan is real, dudes like that are informative. He’s not the sharpest tool in the shed and I think he’s learned/learning some serious lessons over time ( ed drugs, heart attacks, steroids, women ) so I’ll watch his interviews and listen closely. The other thing I found interesting was when he talked about the hours in a day to get shit done. I see a… Read more »

j
j
6 months ago

@walawala “Girls see you deflecting shit tests as a sign of confidence not confrontation” Both our styles pass her shit test (failing would be having a logical discussion about why she won’t sleep with you). By agreeing with her that were not fucking tonight (Todd took down JP’s infield from YouTube, but that clip had a great example of what I do), I’m working with her to sneak past the ASD guard without waking him up and fucking shit up as YaReally used to say. Compared to your style, yeah it is more confrontational (while playful), yet still passes her… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

“Cialis? WTF… [shakes head]” I would doubt he’s taking it merely for a limp dick. He’s obviously into weightlifting and it gives a greater “pump” in the gym. It has other benefits from a medical standpoint. From Jay Campbell in his Testosterone Optimization Therapy Bible: When men think of the drug Cialis, they think about older men enhancing erectile strength for better sex. We’re here to tell you that this medication does much more than fix erectile dysfunction. In fact, it has massive benefits for the aging male who is into TOT and life optimization as a whole! In fact,… Read more »

JH
JH
6 months ago

Here is what I do. This may not work for everyone, but it does for me. I’m on a dating site. I’m almost 50. I’m 6’2″, green eyes, have my hair, not ugly, I’m fit & have a professional job. It also helps I’m in a vacation destination town. So I just “like” everyone that looks good. I figure 90% attraction is in the face, so they will “like” back or not. Then I hit them with a smart-ass comment like “You look hot, but…” or “You’re fit, but…”. “Those legs would look good around me…” etc. Corny works to… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

SJF Too much endogenous test kills boners, as does cocaine. ” Speaking to Graham Bensinger, he spoke of how his excessive use of cocaine and Viagra, as well as binge drinking over four days, resulted in two heart attacks. At the time he was only 25, which goes to show just how much strain he was putting on his heart with the drugs. He claims that he took six times the recommended dose of Viagra, a lot of cocaine, weed and drank for four days straight with about an hour’s sleep. This led to a pain in his shoulder, which… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

Blax Medically speaking too much exogenous (Not endogenous) Test suppresses endogenous Test production. Exogenous test doesn’t kill boners it inhibits natural production. If exogenous Test is discontinued, then yes, boners are killed. Lots of cocaine constricts blood vessels and inhibits heart function and increases clotting resulting in cocaine overdosing and heart attack. It is merely toxicity of cocaine. Enough cross-talking. I’m not invested in Dan Bilzarian, he is an outlier, which was my original point. And my comeback point was that he’s not likely taking cialis because he can’t get it up, but because he likes the pump in the… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

Short FR re my ongoing attempts to blend Game into daily life (as explained in previous posts). I am travelling again, attending a conference somewhere English speaking (it’s the season for them). -When I go out alone to pull women, same issues as usual – freezing up, not approaching, horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach etc. -The rest of the time in “normal” life at the conference etc, I made a real effort to talk more to women (conference organizers, waitresses, other attendees etc) – just some conversation more than “business”, maybe a joke or a tease or… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

“I’m also wondering if you should approach women you have no interest in at all just for the practice, ie no outcome dependence?

Does any of it actually matter, and who is the prize here?”

Think about it.

Clear your head, and <think about it.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

@Lord Lucan – indeed. I agree with everything you say. And yet, that feeling in the pit of my stomach which means I stiffen up and everything I do on online dates goes right out of my head and I freeze up completely or (sometimes) say something but then self-eject almost immediately.. ..that’s why after banging my head against that wall for a couple of years, I’m doing what Sentient and HABD have been saying for ages and making this just part of my daily life, step by step so it isn’t “on” and “off”. On that note, a few… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Culum “It’s starting to happen “in the moment” bit, by bit. Just part of my normal life. A nice moment with both the women above.” Good stuff. Enjoy the feelings in the moment. Enjoy just “testing the truth of the situation” as Bobby Judge would say. Keep doing it. Then in the moment just add that next step… Just to prolong the interaction. So next step might be just walking with her a bit more, or stopping to sit with her I stead of walking off with your coffee etc. It doesn’t have to be a big ask “instadate” and… Read more »

IAS
IAS
6 months ago

Minor FR: In my regular sports activity (where I got N=3 and N=4), in a session where neither of them were there, there was a foreigner that was passing by due to work. She was relatively skilled so I more or less blatantly got rid of some other guy and played with her. She obviously was into me as she gave me a sweet she had brought from her country. At the end of the session I was like “You going to the subway?” and she’s like “Nice can you wait for me to change?” I kind of didn’t want… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

IAS /Culum At the end of the session I was like “You going to the subway?” Nice. Gotta bust a move and take a risk. And this is a very blase question, just conveyed with subcomms. Anyway then we are going and some other guy joins up to get his car he parked at the subway. Interrupts will happen, usually there is no need to AMOG, guys just peter out. So relax… grab her hand Kino… Break the next social convention… she is like “Oh you are such a bad boy” Classic diagnostic… All system go. number close her. Because… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

@Sentient, Blaximus, Lord Lucan (we know who you are..) I hosted my son in law and his buddy bow hunting deer yesterday. It was a peak experience. Because all of the three principles involved behaving beautifully like masculine males. Funny, I was away and I fucked up because we had low, low temperatures and I neglected to blow out and drain the lawn sprinklers. It could have been ten degrees below freezing. The neighbors came over and said water was gushing out of the pressure valve breaker. (not that they knew what that was I think my wife was out,… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

@Lord Lucan You might say so. I love you, man… Time Pink Floyd Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way. Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town Waiting for someone or something to show you the way. Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain. You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today. And then one day you find ten years have got behind you. No one told you when to run, you missed… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

And I still can barely understand what “take the piss”. Or “take the piss out of” means.

But I’m not always very sharp.

P.S. I’m not mocking you.

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

@SJF You are sharp but you’ve had a different journey which means, In common with most in here, you don’t get what I’m saying. You just haven’t seen it play out, that’s all. But it does, and your demographic are the target mark to people that are imposters in your world. Hence the godfather shouldn’t hang out with the pickpockets. Because – and I haven’t said this before – godfathers get bought down by their associations with the pickpockets. But I’ve said it now. Yet more ranting from a prick. That’s very interesting. Over the last five years, I’ve often… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

SJF

Maybe Have A Cigar would be more pertinent.😁

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

Lord Lucan ( took me a minute to get it ) I absolutely understand what you’ve been saying. Story time since you mentioned The Godfather. A long long time ago, I found myself saddled with over 180,000 dollars in practically instant debt, with the harassment and legal threats that come along with it.I mulled bankruptcy, but because I was so young and inexperienced, I was mortified of credit ruination. So I figured I’d just work my way out of it asap, and the fastest way I knew to generate large amounts of cash carried insane risks ( prison ). I… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

Btw, the Columbian beat the clock. His underlings decided they wanted to execute a hostile takeover with emphasis on ” execute “. he fled to Miami for a.short time, then to the Caribbean last I’d heard. I reckon he doesn’t need to do anything for the rest of his life.

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

SJF

Maybe Have A Cigar would be more pertinent.

Ok, you got me for my fake optimism Blax.

But that reminds me. I haven’t been to my favorite cigar lounge in a helluva long time. I used to go bi-weekly.

j
j
6 months ago

@Lucan

With regards to your comment on Rollo’s association with Tate (Christian McQueen 2.0) on the previous page, Krauser’s take:

“I did warn Rollo months ago that Tate is a bullshitting goon. Evidently he disagrees. I haven’t seen the interview but here’s my best guess: Rollo was never a player, so he simply doesn’t have the calibration to spot a fake. Armchair theorists have this weakness, even when their armchair theorising is good (which Rollo’s is.”

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

@Lucan With regards to your comment on Rollo’s association with Tate (Christian McQueen 2.0) on the previous page, Krauser’s take: “I did warn Rollo months ago that Tate is a bullshitting goon. Evidently he disagrees. I haven’t seen the interview but here’s my best guess: Rollo was never a player, so he simply doesn’t have the calibration to spot a fake. Armchair theorists have this weakness, even when their armchair theorising is good (which Rollo’s is).” Well, maybe you should listen to the interview tomorrow. If you don’t or Lucan doesn’t, you are just speculating. Some of us are moving… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

Krauser’s take: “I did warn Rollo months ago that Tate is a bullshitting goon. Evidently he disagrees. I haven’t seen the interview but here’s my best guess: Rollo was never a player, so he simply doesn’t have the calibration to spot a fake. Armchair theorists have this weakness, even when their armchair theorising is good (which Rollo’s is).” Oh, and if you haven’t noticed, based on Krauser’s recent comments he is full blown launched into male epiphany phase. I love the guy for his guts. I love the guy for his INTJ-ness. I love him for his writing which is… Read more »

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

Hey guys! It’s been a while. Trying to go away for a bit and live my life, ya know. Sorry to ghost you SJF. I’m not up to writing a full FR on this one, though it’d be an interesting one. The long and the short is, I’ve been seeing a college freshman; know her bc she knows my younger sister. She’s spectacular, long red hair, curvy, kind and submissive. We both like each other’s personality a lot. But, her family is quite conservative and I’m 15 years older than her. So it’s been quite secret. It’s been fun because… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

SJF Lol, you know you’re my bruv, right? So you had to know I wasn’t just gonna let this comment go – “(N.B. I don’t live in a chaotic world, you guys do… and sometimes by choice… sometimes by upbringing. I do understand the documentary of Lucan and Blax. It was just never me being fucked over. And not that there is anything wrong with being fucked over and rising from that…)” Ummm, nah, we all live in the exact same world, but sometimes some of us venture into the ” chaos ” because we’re not into ignoring these things.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

Forge!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good to read you, sorry to hear.

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

Hit me up, Blax et al. It’s better than drinking whiskey.

Two weeks ago we were conspiring how to sneak me into a bedroom after a party; this week she says she was ‘up too late’ to tell me about the party, and so I asked if she was with a dude and she says it was ‘not in a sexual way.’ FML.

I’m not trying to be a sad sack, lol. Just…whiplash here. I was pinning her down two days ago.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 months ago

Forge, good to see you again! Vent away…it’s only Field Reports.

ford
ford
6 months ago

Turned down an easy lay with some married woman last night lol. (I’d opened her as a kind of warm-up set as I was on my own. Her friend joined us, and the 3 of us all drank together) Pretty, but a little older than what I like tbh (she was 30). Plus don’t really wanna bang married women. She was showing me dirty pics and pic of her hubby, telling me she’s bored of him and likes to have fun behind his back. I was dodging her kisses like Tyson Fury! Then she literally asked me if I wanna… Read more »

NewGuy
NewGuy
6 months ago

Did anyone see this? Ric Ocasek cuts his ex-wife out of his will weeks before passing because she “abandoned” him. She was estranged so why should she be entitled to his fortune? Nice work Ric!

https://www.showbiz411.com/2019/11/08/exclusive-ric-ocasek-was-diagnosed-with-cancer-just-before-his-death-resented-estranged-wife-paulina-porizkovas-boyfriend-ed-solomon

kfg
kfg
6 months ago

Hey Forge.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

I remember when Poriskovas was all the rage.😂 3rd wife? Wtf? My ex isn’t in my will, and I didn’t have to cut her out. Even though Ric and her aren’t divorced officially, he’s correct that she abandoned him. My ex is smart enough to get that she’d not be in my will if I happened to take a dirt nap because she actually understands me and how I see things. During marriage I provided everything she’d need, including education. After divorce I sold my house and split the proceeds with her, as we were cutting ties. I didn’t have… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Forge Stick around there is still much to unpack. “I’m not trying to be a sad sack, lol. Just…whiplash here. ” You need to understand – and live by – the rules of the game. There is fish or cut bait time on these things. As a player you have only a few options. A) plate. A plate means she spins with or without you. YOU don’t get to have feelz… B) claim her and commit for a period. C) so dominate her psychologically she is willing to give up everything and follow you. Here, she is just doing what… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

@Forge! Welcome back. Commiserations on your situation. Speaking as someone who had the best sexual chemistry of his life – we literally couldn’t keep our hands off each other – during a fling with a 19 year old when I was 33 – I totally get where you are coming from (she stopped responding to messages and got a new age appropriate boyfriend after some time – although mind you, unlike you, we never had a real relationship although I did meet her friends and go out with them etc a couple of times – so if I’d wanted a… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

@Sentient – noted on the points re going to the next step and the next step and moving forward with the public interactions. That’s what I’m doing now. Am in a new place today for a few more days before going back to my physical training. This place isn’t English speaking so a bit harder. Was chatting with the cute hotel receptionist (who speaks English) when checking in – joking about my flight etc and she was laughing and chatting, but interesting that I felt absolutely nothing in the vibe. I can’t pin down why – I can’t break down… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

Oh and I wanted to add a couple more things about my recent yoga-chick experience. Unusually for me, I actually enjoyed her company, so I saw her on two successive nights (didn’t lay her on the first night only due to logistical reasons – but she’d already decided – logically – to sleep with me by then which makes things so much easier – no LMR or anything) and even her spend the night which is very unusual for me. The actual details of the date are not that important – this stuff is pretty routine. The dinner on the… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

Hi Forge the Sky! Lol, it’s OK you ghosted me in real life. We all know what that was for. Monk mode, clear the decks in you head and have some clarity of the signal. I think it was April of 2016 we were sitting at dusk at the backyard of my clubhouse cabin at my barn. After a day of guys “doing mushrooms” (no not those kind, guys). Lol, we spent quite a bit of time talking and I was trying to pin you down on why you liked Jordan Peterson’s content provision. What you got out of it… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

Culum!!! I love interactions with girls that are being pleasant but essentially are just doing their job.I see it as breaking their wall against their will, lol. Last week I went to burger king to try one of those meatless whoppers. I eat fast foods only a few times a year of I can help it, but I was curious. So I waltz up to the counter feeling great and energetic and happy, and I see the counter chick, maybe hb 6-ish with plenty of mascara and eye lashes and copius cleavage. Her: welcome to bk how can I help… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

Aw shit. I just realized that I wrote that chicks ” light up ” when they see you.

Sounding like asd.

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

@Blaximus, Lord Lucan Without the ” Bad shit “, the ” Good shit ” doesn’t have it’s full meaning. It’s a different level of appreciation and understanding. Not recognizing the potential for you to be fucked over isn’t a good thing imo. Just like most things in life, a man shouldn’t feel badly about getting fucked over, but he should feel awful if he doesn’t take the lesson… Chaos is relative my friend. It certainly is. That was my point. I’m trying to figure what the cross talking points are. You seem to be saying that I have my blinders… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 months ago

Blaximus
I just realized that I wrote that chicks ” light up ” when they see you.

Easily fixed. Think more like this.
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Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

I totally agree with @Lord Lucan. I didn’t even need to see his detective work. This Tate guy is the one with the @OfWudan Twitter account right? He has a “War Room” where you pay to hang out with “millionaires” or something? I remember glancing it at it months ago for 5 minutes and laughing and thinking he is such a try hard bullshitter. I thought the same about ADJ even before everything went south, but at least with ADJ, I had some doubts. Something was off, but I couldn’t put my finger on it and I was willing to… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

PS – LOL@ Blax.

Yes that’s the kind of thing (but my personality-based) that I’m building up to. Although unlike you I’d go for the instadate and sleep with her in a lot more cases..

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

Doing a lot better today. Yesterday’s crap just kinda took me out of the blue there. Thanks AR, good to see ya here. Hey kfg! Good too see ya still kicking out there ya magnificent bastard. Sentient – lucid layout, thanks. Think I actually have all these options here. Was talking w her today and she’s still basically mine, but the social pressure erosion is starting to show in fits and starts. Need to amp it up or cut it loose. But I’ll write this up in a bit more detail, I think it may actually be interesting for intermediate… Read more »

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

Alright, I’ll try to keep this from being a novel. Sister has a friend from college. Sister dhv’s me a lot because we’re tight and I’m awesome. She’s not trying to set us up, I just come up in convos sometimes. She’s there at family shindigs so I meet her off an on. She kinda gloms on to me – finds me at parties, talks to me, is only reluctantly dragged away. Then they get me to download snapchat and both add me, so when they send out some random ‘at coffee shop w latte, bliss!!’ photo I can respond… Read more »

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

SJF – I knew you get it, man. We’ll hang out again. Maybe this spring? Always enjoyed it. I just needed to disconnect, was spending too much time ruminating here, and you were a casualty of that.

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

“… and you were a casualty of that.” Our relationship may have been a casualty of that. But I wasn’t. I was and am fine with it and it was a natural progression and good call by you to disengage and move beyond the “process” of the Red Pill. That’s a sign of maturity. You had “become” more yourself, soul integrated with mind. I will always admire your unique skills at being a cool man. And your verbal and writing skills. And most of all, your True Humility, not Nice Guy or Prideful. Bless You. It was a blessing to… Read more »

IAS
IAS
6 months ago

@Forge: there are small hints of a little bit of One-itis forming there. I think you are sorting yourself out well but be prepared to lose her, if not now, in the future.

She will definitely never forget you, if that helps.
But conversely she is also leaving more of a mark on you than “just another plate”. That isn’t necessarily bad, but you have to manage your feelings.

It is very easy (because that is part of our biology) to get too attached in such a situation. Would be good for you to spin another plate.

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

” The desire to have her be MINE is actually here, a sort of covetous thing that I’m not used to experiencing. ”

Hmmmm…. And during the “marriage wars” thread I said exactly this? And all I got back was “that’s not a reason… One sided legal contract… Open LTR! Magic beans and fairy dust! Lalalala I can’t jear you”

How about that…

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Forge We get it. “Star crossed lovers torn apart by convention”… Tune in next week! Couple things… Don’t let the “relationship” thing become it’s own dynamic, it’s own entity. Because once that drama leaves things will be very different. “A bit of boldness can work wonders. ” Indeed. But yet she was bolder right? she invited you to the park, she told you to be more direct… “my sister set her up with her BF’s friend and how she resisted at first but ‘they told me to keep an open mind and, uh, I did.’ ” Just like sister set… Read more »

IRL
IRL
6 months ago

@Sentient A) plate. A plate means she spins with or without you. YOU don’t get to have feelz… B) claim her and commit for a period. C) so dominate her psychologically she is willing to give up everything and follow you. +1 @Forge About 15 years ago, my cousin’s classmate (late teens/early 20s) started seeing an older guy (late 30s/early 40s). Her friends gossiped about it and talked about him as this old geezer. It wasn’t my social circle and I never met the guy. I don’t know if he started from Sentient’s A or went directly to B, but… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

@Forge – interesting FR. I think it basically comes down to Sentient’s 3 options and which one you choose to go forward with. That whole sub/wanting to be used thing is so incredibly common. Even with my recent yoga chick, she started talking about how “you [me] just want to use me, don’t you..make me your sex toy for the night..” – talk about projection. Also, right at the end of our session, as she was getting off the bed, she grabbed my foot and started sucking my toes for a bit…again, sign about her desires (foot play does nothing… Read more »

j
j
6 months ago

Alright fellas the forum is up: https://www.skilledseducer.com/ And that is where I will be posting from now on (not gonna pull a YaReally and disappear from the web forever lmao). Which sadly means my time here at TRM as come to an end (2017-2019). Only person I want to thank (especially for this year), who in fact did not help me with pickup at all lol, is blax. For standing by me, and drilling into my head that there is more to life than pickup (2020 and beyond I will be shifting my time more towards building a more balanced… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Yeah why thank Rollo…

😒

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

Yeah why thank Rollo… “Only person I want to thank (especially for this year), who in fact did not help me with pickup at all lol, is blax. For standing by me, and drilling into my head that there is more to life than pickup” …Or any of the guys that could be his uncle’s age, who drilled him that there is more to life than pick-up, but didn’t do it in a nice, tribal way, rather than typical masculine tribal way without Groupthink J is used to…That was always hanging in the air, patently obvious… …either he couldn’t understand.… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

On Tate

Which of these are true?

a) he overstates his worth
b) he cleverly uses Instagram and cheap Romanian COL
c) he runs a Ponzi scheme it appears
d) if the cam girls are real there must be a mob connection, at least kick backs
e) he is a skilled kickboxer
f) he is in good shape
g) he is an expert troll
h) he is a leader of men
i) he is not above using you to get what he wants
j) he understands women
k) all of the above…

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

All I know about the dude is @Lord Lucan’ post and 5 minutes on his Twitter 6 months ago. But I guess pretty much everything on that list (to varying degrees) is true. That doesn’t mean his opinion is completely useless (perhaps if he’s good with women I might listen to his opinion about Game, perhaps if he’s a skilled fighter I’d listen to him about marital arts) but it does mean he’s ruled out for anything where integrity and trust are important – in particular going into business with him in any fashion – or becoming a customer or… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

culum

it does mean he’s ruled out for anything where integrity and trust are important

Indeed. Too funny though how he has all ADJ’s simps on his tip…

https://twitter.com/Iggy_Semmelweis/status/1192661455700541440

Must be killing him… lol

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

Sensible stuff as always, my dudes. It’s true that I need to sort out my objectives, instead of being sorry that no compromise-free path exists. Sentient – true that she started bolder than I, but frankly I knew how it would look if I was propositioning a teenager who didn’t reciprocate. Rather not have that reputation – for social reasons, not game reasons. So I let her escalate until her interest was unambiguous, then took over. Anyways, a bit of detail about the new situation w the other guy since that seems to be the focus of attention here. I… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

@Forge – you have it backwards.

You can’t decide what approach to take with the girl until you first decide what your goal here is.

For example, if you decide you just want her as a plate, who cares if she makes out or sleeps with another guy? But if you want 2 or 3 in Sentient’s list then you have to make your expectations clear.

BTW, if you do have The Talk, remember, don’t have a discussion. Set out your expectations sure, but don’t get drawn into A Big Discussion. Pointless.

IRL
IRL
6 months ago

@Forge
Not entirely sure how to proceed from there.

Dude. How does the execution look like when you don’t have clarity of what you want?

Speaking of Tate lol, contrast with (both tweets):
https://mobile.twitter.com/OfWudan/status/1189487026971783168

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Forge Anyways, a bit of detail about the new situation w the other guy since that seems to be the focus of attention here. Nah, that’s the focus of your attention. We’ve been looking at how you are feeling about this. End result is the same but I think the motive is less there. This isn’t that far of a leap to “but she just fucked him one time, relax man!”… I know you know this? Perhaps HABD needs to chime in on the pernicious nature of the FI, for olde tymes sake? I told her that I’m not a… Read more »

IRL
IRL
6 months ago

@Sentient
IRL – ha I was thinking about another one for this situation, can’t find it. He is in a text thread, girl says something about his brother, he says something like “it’s too bad we’re broken up” and she says “What when!” and he says ” a few minutes ago when you made fun of my brother.

Oh ya that one was funny too. Someone retweeted it in the same thread:
https://mobile.twitter.com/NeroSthlm/status/1189489913252569088

Clear goals, values and boundaries will take you far.

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

Culum, Sentient; thanks, as usual. You can’t decide what approach to take with the girl until you first decide what your goal here is. Yes, this is the main takeaway I’m getting here. I frankly didn’t have much of a goal past playing w sexual tension, banging boots, etc. My game is good enough now that that was no issue. But my frame was weak here, and its really only my fault. This isn’t that far of a leap to “but she just fucked him one time, relax man!”… I know you know this? Eh I knew I shouldn’t have… Read more »

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

So anyways, I just saw her for a bit before she went off to a study session. Just for the sake of this being a FR board, this is how I set it up. It’s the basics, but there’s gotta be some learners out there yet. Was simple; I just texted her some ridiculous sex joke I thought up. It was something like ‘I was looking up ‘missionary position tips’ and all I found was this stupid job search website for preachers’ She lol’d, asked why I was searching for that. ‘Because every time I bang a girl in that… Read more »

IAS
IAS
6 months ago

@Forge: you are doing well and getting good advice, as expected. It looks like you are having great sex and getting her virginity had/has some special value for you… Still, be wary of the pedestal, she is still just a girl / AWALT. I suggest you try to consider both what you want right now, and what you wanted before you were having sex and particularly before she pulled this stunt on you (this was implied more subtly by IRL, above “Think of what you’d wanted before you met her.”). Check yourself (before you wreck yourself), because if previously you… Read more »

IRL
IRL
6 months ago

@Forge What do you think about taking a break from this relationship? Like what’s your first thought, your visceral reaction to the idea? It never lies. You see, a break would give you time to stop and figure out what you want without defaulting to all the wobbly frame patterns you’ve got with her. Bonus: you taking a break (not even discussed/negotiated in dog logic, the shorter the verbal message the better) would show her that you put yourself first, you’re not given and may be gone any time, too. A frame reset for you and for her. Trash can… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

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having a bad day
having a bad day
6 months ago

FORGE!!!! welcome back!… i was starting to wonder what happened to you…lol overall good FR, buuut… how’s that FI treatin’ ya?…lol seems like it has a firm grasp on your shoulder… a couple of points… overall, what YOU want seems to be having this girl as your own sl*tty sex toy, but you fear the ‘social blowback’… which is leading you to (already) start making excuses for why you ‘really don’t want that’… you just need to AF up… you KNOW how to do that, you just don’t want to put in the work… hint – ‘making demands’ is good… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

The thing about this Tate guy (I spent 5 more minutes on his Twitter) is that he’s an unpleasant, negative asshole (plus a bullshitter lacking integrity as pointed out earlier). Of course alpha’s a demographic and a mindset, and there’s nothing preventing unpleasant assholes from being alpha/good with women/good at martial arts or whatever. Just so long as we don’t confuse the persona with alpha or start to believe alphas act like that (unlikely here on TRM, very likely elsewhere). Like..you have to have an abundance mentality, hold frame, not supplicate, have your MPOO, take them on an emotional rollercoaster… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 months ago

Culum

Surprised at you.

Alpha is as Alpha does.

Full Stop. Amoral. Some are really shitty people. Some are nice. Always operate in their own from though.

FWIW half the time or more Tate is trolling… Listen to his interview with Rollo.

Softek
Softek
6 months ago

@ Forged Focus on your Frame. If you want the girl, stake your claim. If not, don’t. The hangups about the family, friends, etc., all has to go out the window. It’s fine to keep things secret if that’s what you want, but if you’re keeping it a secret because of fear, that’s something else entirely. Ask yourself what you want. And answer that question carefully. The girl being super into you is what matters for the relationship, not what her friends or family think. You’ve got some work to do on yourself if this is a hangup for you.… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

Sentient, no I agree. I was trying to square my (obvious) dislike of the man with him being apparently alpha, but yes of course I know alpha is amoral. I’ll take a look at the interview when I have time – if he actually has some charm and doesn’t take himself entirely seriously that’s a different matter, and makes him more likeable (even if he’s still a bullshitter). On another note guys, I’ve been finding over the last few months to a year or so that my relationship with one of my best male buddies is changing. I’ve posted before… Read more »

Softek
Softek
6 months ago

@ Culum

It’s absolutely that you’ve changed. And that’s a good thing. Keep up the good work. Being disillusioned with people you previously had on a pedestal is a huge sign of growth.

Forge the Sky
6 months ago

HABD! Still inimitable. Thanks, I’m out here thinking man. Not the least bc of you. Softek! Good to see ya here man. Thanks for replying, I’ll hit you when I have a minute to think. Busy evening lol. Same to the others replying to me. I’ll write when I have a thing to say. Just one bee in my bonnet, which I’ll forget about if I don’t say now. I know little about this Tate fellow you’re talking about, so I might misrepresent him. But my quick impression makes me think of this. Being an asshole doesn’t make you alpha… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 months ago

“Truly high IQ’s tend to be more of a burden with women than anything else, if I was a gambler I’d say you were higher than he was and you’re growing into your skin and changing while he’s just slightly higher than normal but his slight edge gives him too much confidence because he thinks he’s clever. Much above 150 and you find most men and women bloody tedious and so you struggle with normal friendships because of the banal shit conversation and stupid things they do so it can actually be a burden.” Lol. Booze might be a workaround… Read more »

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
6 months ago

Question for the brain trust: Are file uploads to https://anonymousfiles.io/ really anonymous? I had the idea of sharing a TTS version in mp3 format of an entire comment page, but was not certain about this. I have said for a while that I think other men could benefit from hearing the comments. Much of the writing here is outstanding. Some sight gags, strikeout text, quotes and responses, imoges, and some sarcasm are lost in translation–but that should be understood. Question for Rollo Tomassi: If it is possible to do this anonymously, as the host of this website, do you have… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 months ago

“Are file uploads to https://anonymousfiles.io/ really anonymous?” You don’t lock a bicycle so securely that it can’t be stolen, that is impossible, at least so long as the bicycle remains usable as a bicycle. You lock it securely enough that it’s easier to steal the bicycle next to it. Note that securing the bicycle is not the same thing as securing the bits that make up the bicycle. To anonymize a file it isn’t enough to upload it to a non-logging site, the bits must also be protected. It must be anonymized for every computer it passes through along the… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

@Forge – yes, exactly. The wealth analogy is very good. You can have wealth and be crass or classy. Both of those involve being wealthy, but only one involves being cool… @Softek – thanks man. It certainly feels like our frames pushing against each other occasionally as I’ve grown. This is the same guy about whom my ex gf in my last LTR (years ago) used to say to me “You hero worship that guy…why don’t you fuck him instead of me if you listen to him so much” (lol). @Lord Lucan – I don’t know if he’s ever done… Read more »

IRL
IRL
6 months ago

@Lord Lucan

Lol you’ll enjoy this thread:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LivesTalisman/status/1194611983682867200

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
6 months ago

@ kfg & Culum, Thanks for the explanation.

For your listening pleasure, Text-to-Speech The Rational Male Field Reports Page 137 in MP3 format, 106 Files, 62.2 MB, zipped size 38.5 MB. Listening time is about 1.5 hours. Expires in 1 week. It does contain artistic album covers that may be NSFW.

Your file RM_FR_137.zip has been uploaded to https://anonymousfiles.io/0XRtKmol/

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 months ago

@Lord Lucan

I don’t understand – what do the associations Rollo has have to do with whether you hang out with everyone else here? Esp in the case of Tate, just doing an interview with him?

Stick around…it’s a unique place here.

PS – We don’t know how to find you, short of taking an educated guess about walking around the streets of a certain town based on a certain news story…

SJF
SJF
6 months ago

I really like the comments as regards to Forge the Sky. They are on point. I know Forge as an on point guy. Not a Beta, nor and AFC and well versed Red Pill guy. My spidey sense is that his original FR was based on his mental point of origin being that he was reliant on how he grew up and developed. To whit: He is at peak value as a male. Age ? 36 His Apex. He’s charming and in good form, body wise (i.e. slim, normal, attractive…) His family is super trad-con. Super good father and mother.… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 months ago

This is another game post. Life game, of which seduction game is a subset. Scroll by if you’re not interested in life game or if analyzing political game is boring to you. NB: I would prefer to put posts like this in a place called “The Lounge” if Rollo had a place like that. We could drink and chat about life sh*t. Political Game–dems and repubs Both sides are about seeking power for its own sake. The dems are better at it than the repubs. The current dem strategy is a coup attempt. Anthony Zaid (the mouthpiece of one of… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 months ago

None of this, not one word, has anything to do with game at all. In any sense. Politics, and those that live by them, is a different ( and bullshit ) animal.

Tick…tick…tick.

( scrolling away now )

Lol….muh president…gtfoh
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