Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

15,703 comments on “Field Reports

  1. @Sentient: something that is (on the surface) a bit puzzling about those female HS teachers is that several of them are actually attractive.

    Then I realized, many of the ones that aren’t attractive also would bang the (situational alpha) student if he is there in their class, but the student doesn’t care enough for them to make it realistic.

  2. IAS

    the (situational alpha) student

    That is a dog’s eyed view of these things. “Why didn’t I have THAT teacher when I was in school!”… “That’s my boy!” and “How is that a crime lol?”

    For every imagined Alpha Jock I’d bet there are ten introverted, shy, lonely and confused sons raised by single moms who these women are in fact emotionally abusing. But the FI does not want you to believe that power imbalances they crow about between these creepy “powerful older men” and “immature, idealistic, naive” young women go the other way… And the disparate outcomes in jail sentencing makes that point empirically.

  3. I finally get it!
    I just reread the Book of Pook recently. Now I understand the message of Rollo and some of the veteran commenters here who dissuade people from getting into hardcore PUA!

    I have been obssessed with PUA for 3 years now. Have tons of products in my hard drive. Notes that run into tons of pages. Field reports for every date I went on. But something hit me, when I was trying to engage in conversation with this 20 year old girl who had no personality, no similar interests as me, nothing that impressed me except she was hot. And I was thinking of which technique/or what I should do now to “create attraction”. I stopped talking to her and thought why am I trying to create attraction etc and the answer was because some guys on the internet told me seducing women in their smv prime was something you should aspire to do as a PUA. But in reality, this girl was nothing special but I had somehow got it in my head that she is “high value”.

    I have now taken a more holistic approach to this entire thing. Wrote down my plans and goals and what is the kind of women I want in my life. What do I want to talk about on my dates, what kind of dates I want to go on etc. Been hitting the gym, feel great, been eating healthy, stopped going out to bars and spending late nights out just to “sarge”. Decided I would just meet any woman anytime I liked the look of. Recently spotted a cute girl, walking by the river.

    I went up to her and gave her a compliment as the “opener”. I was previously a huge believer in “indirect game”. But when I went in this time, I was not looking for an interaction, I just went in with curiosity as to what might happen, open to any outcome and voila ended up on an instant date. Spoke about everything I was passionate about, and voila she was attracted. She was leaving town the next day and I did not “pull her”. But I came back a lot happier with myself than I had felt when I put all the effort in reading the “girl’s blueprint”and getting laid with a girl.

  4. Went to a Halloween party. It was fun. Tried to socialize, no “Game,” just socializing…rough. There was a cute blonde there that I definitely had my eye on. Didn’t know what to do though, and I could feel myself drowning. There was a dude dressed up that was around her most of the night, but it wasn’t clear they were together. So I tried just being friendly and engaging both of them, and also people near them as well, just banter back and forth, some joking around.

    The dude hanging around the girl was dressed as a scarecrow. They made some joke about him using a Cockney accent, or a Southern accent, and I tried and fell right on my face to make a joke about a horror movie where his character would have a different accent in every scene he killed someone. Ouch. I coulda thought of something more entertaining but I was trying to think of something on the fly to provide some entertainment, and it was a no-go. Felt like a comedian I saw at a club years ago telling joke after joke and it just flopped. I tried getting them to go along with the horror movie joke and come up with some ideas of their own and it was just radio silence….so in my mind I’m just like Ooooookay……welp, moving on.

    So I shift gears, ask the girl how she knew about the party, find out she’s gone every time for years, is good friends with the girl who invited me, a married chick I met from another party. This is where I go into boring mode. I was thinking of Palma’s book after the fact, and realized I coulda just asked some more questions.

    At one point I said I was a little pissed I forgot to get cigarettes before I came out. She said there was a gas station nearby. Had I actually been able to run Game earlier and generate some attraction/rapport maybe I could’ve asked her to show me the way, if she wanted to hop in my car. It’s a town I don’t know and there’s no cell reception and the gas station seemed a ways out of the way. But figuring I had barely managed to do some friendly social banter, and I don’t know if scarecrow dude is her boyfriend or something, I just left it at that.

    I caught her looking at me more than a few times though and I was kicking myself over it. There was another girl that was kinda hot that I was talking to for a little bit, but again, no Game. Just friendly socializing. She did seem to like me well enough though and went out of her way to talk to me a couple times, and waved at me when I sat down across from her later in the night.

    I’m trying to find these little openings where Game could slip in. Like she was talking about being pretty drunk, but how she never drinks outside of parties so she has a super low tolerance. I just was Mr. Boring and mirrored what she said. I’m trying to figure out how to consciously inject Game into these interactions. Asking more questions, to get them to talk about themselves, see if I can guide the interaction in a very, very playful, mildly sexual direction at first. But how? Questions about themselves, that I’ve crafted beforehand, or have an idea of?

    Stories to tell, or to have ready as a response? Questions to ask people to get them to talk about themselves, stories for me to tell. I have nothing at the moment but that’s what I’m trying to work on. “Gambits” as Mystery calls them are a bit harder for me to understand as a concept than questions/stories, and I don’t quite grasp that yet.

    I tried the “Chocolate Welder” story from Palma with a 40 something year old. She asked me what I did, where I’m from. I told her the town I’m from and then said I’m a chocolate welder. I mentioned details about how the chocolate bars have to be perfectly welded to stay intact, how I was over in Sweden recently on a business trip to train a bunch of underlings in the art of chocolate welding, but she just looked at me like I had three heads. I didn’t carry on too long with her in complete radio silence before I realized she wasn’t getting the joke.

    So then I just said “You know, I’m kidding.” And THEN she laughed and was all, “Oh my god. Yeah I didn’t know what to say, I was like what is this guy talking about…..”

    One thing I learned is all this obsession with my ‘ex’ will be fixed by progressing with Game and getting with girls that are actually my type. I know my type when I see it. I was thinking of Mystery’s advice to think of it like a videogame: impersonal. If your man dies, you simply start over and try again with a new life.

    So it felt good in a way to flop, to have some good, boring interactions without too much anxiety, and for the super awkward interactions, to realize I survived those. Yes, it may have blown me out in a potential set (if I actually had Game yet), but there are always more people to talk to.

    I forced myself to interact with people later in the night even though I didn’t want to. Even if it was just a couple words (“Are those horns real?”) I tried to say something to every girl at the party. There were a couple I didn’t approach as they seemed kind of standoffish, didn’t get any eye contact from them, which I found boosts my confidence in “approaching.” I mean “approaching” in a non-Game friendly approach, which is what I’m stuck with for now until I get some tools on my belt.

    My friend’s girlfriend showed up, who’s pretty attractive, and I was thinking of Mystery’s concept of pivots. I was thinking about that while talking to her in front of this other girl I was actually interested in. It felt good to have a small amount of social proof, attractive girl coming up and hugging me and being all excited to see me. So the benefit of attractive female friends becomes apparent. I tried hard not to stand off alone and be the ‘weird guy’ but I did default to that behavior a few times.

    It was just a glimmer of hope. I have not been on a date or had sex/done anything with any girls since my last relationship ended. The other night, I could see how having a date or having something with that girl I was especially into would help me feel so much better. But not being attached to her at the same time, and just reminding myself that there will be more parties, more social events, more places every day where there are attractive women like that that are “my type.”

    I wanted to stay home and sulk but I forced myself to drive way out of my way to go to this party, and then forced myself to be as social as I could in my current state.

    I had a good time. I fell flat on my face a few times, but even getting some IOI’s from some cute girls, even though I don’t know what to do with them yet, made me feel good. An older guy came up and asked me what I was doing there alone, that I was a really handsome guy, gave me some compliments. Ended up hanging with that dude and his girlfriend a bit and we hit it off, joking around and felt like old friends.

    It ain’t much, but it took a LOT for me to go outside of my comfort zone, and I do feel better for it. Got a taste of falling flat on my face and realizing even that is not the end of the world. I was thinking of Mystery and just imagined I was playing Mario and my guy hit a Goomba and died. Oh well. Try again. I gotta start writing some material down though, maybe flash cards or something, just so I stop running into this “freezing” issue. Boring boring boring — then freeze. If that ain’t the opposite of Game, I don’t know what is.

    Engage, entertain, trigger emotions, sexualize…that’s the opposite of what I’m doing. So by the concept of opposites I can understand what I’m supposed to do. Now it’s a matter of actually internalizing this stuff and having some canned material/energy ready to go wherever I am. And general concepts, like get people to talk about themselves, with intent.

  5. Wanted to share a clip but it shows my face. Fuck what a great night. Girls were so fucking receptive all night. No bitchiness. Everyone just wanted to have fun last night.

    Pulled a chick home who I fucking destroyed in bed.

    Now in a taxi on my way to fuck my Fuckbuddy. Hope everyone had a great night!

  6. @J – Good stuff. Don’t really need to see people having sex though lol. Don’t worry about posting vids 😉

    Actual detailed FR’s are better, but I imagine that as is always the case with a pull, there was really nothing too it. You opened, she thought you were handsome, and so everything just happened easily (she was receptive and let you escalate etc) and it lead to sex? In which case I agree an FR is kinda pointless too haha

    Anyway, keep going. Get that 1000+ JMULV slay count, bruddah!!

  7. The following video is a tabloid press video from Turkey (the country). For some context, the van in the video carries the son of a very rich family of the country (whom can be seen inside) and some of his friends as they are leaving a club. The relevant part of the video is how they “forget” one of the girls that they were with. You can clearly see the frustration on her face (the fake blond) as she tries to get into the van and fail miserably for a long time. The guy with the beard is probably the valet (the dude arranging the parking of the club) and he literally saves the day for her as he runs to the front of the van to tell the driver that they forgot someone. Any feminist would think that the woman was disrespected and she should leave and never get into that van, but of course, when you are talking about a rich and handsome guy, hypergamy doesn’t care about feminism, honor or dignity. She gets into the van, laughing off what just happened. And she probably has been one of the entertainments of the night for our rich dudes.

  8. Loveroflife

    Decided I would just meet any woman anytime I liked the look of.

    There you go…

    when I went in this time, I was not looking for an interaction, I just went in with curiosity as to what might happen, open to any outcome and voila ended up on an instant date.

    Yep. Bobby Judge called this “testing the truth of the situation”… The “test” is the objective, the outcome. Not the result of the test. AKA “relaxing into it”…

    Of course you need to be able to speak “Catonese”, understand The Language of Female Seduction(tm) to be able to do this well… so your effort on learning Game is not lost… But PUA Game is not an Ethos.

    Spoke about everything I was passionate about, and voila she was attracted.

    DHV’s are DHV’s…

  9. Palma

    Assuming they are slim – Erin a 6 and perhaps the other two are 7’s. All very bangable.

    spotted an IOI off one of them, slowed down and put my arm out for the link which she complied with, got everyone to link arms and got them chatting and got myself invited to a club with them.

    Baller… That is the key, to start acting on the IOI in the moment [cough… Culum…]

    Now worst case you roll up to the club with three animated young girls on your arm… Preselection, open and forward merge sets easily with girl wings, jealousy plots between new set girls and the three girls back… Now this is the building block for capital “G” game. Nice.

    And Loveroflife, do you see how this kind of “outcome independence” regarding the original 3 girls opens up so many other opportunities? You don’t “care” that you don’t bang the three, but yet you might 😉

  10. I agree with sentient. One in the middle a 6, other 2 possible 7’s. (slightly generous maybe, but around there somewhere for me)

    Did you try to escalate on either? I bet @J would have just went for the instant makeout lol

    When you say you ‘don’t have game’, what do you mean exactly? Have you not read or watched any PUAbooks or programs?

  11. Palma

    No it was half past midnight and I was knackered – which is the precise reason for this current process I’m putting myself through. To get them WHEN I want them AND have logistics (including energy) to see it through, as opposed to the situation happening on their territory which are clubs at 4am.

    Yup. This is the Doing the Work(TM) part, that most guys wont do. They will just bitch about how hard it is…

    The good news it you are smart and open to learning and not an incel fagboy. so you don’t need too much reference experience to learn off of.

    Also it’s better to more in a concentrated time frame than a little over along time. And you may want to include less “high expectation” nights initially, i.e. more Wednesday/Thursday and less Saturday. The “Big Night” has a host of other issues to deal with.

  12. @Sentient and others: here is a funny Game situation in multiple ways.

    I’m interested in acquiring an (unusual) asset with a fixed (stable) income. Palma has suggested sending two persons in to the seller to make lowball offers to attempt to price condition the seller, then I offer my amount higher than that (but lower than the asking price that I already know is negotiable).

    That I get.

    Then Palma went “You have 2 plates, send them in, also DHV for them win/win” and I was like “Uh?”. So I’m like they are kind of lefty (the plates) and don’t know I’m in “business” and I definitely don’t want them thinking “Beta Bux, bf material!”.

    He suggested to post up here to get your thoughts.

  13. IAS

    So the setup is you are going to have your plates go in one after the other to buy this thing, and then you are going to show up after and do it?

    Not sure if I get the set up.

    Regardless, bringing your plates to observe you doing something high value is definitely a plus… [do they know each other? open harem here!] Don’t worry about triggering BB. Betu Bux trigger is in how you use your money with respect to their pussy. If they are just along for the ride, no problem. If you are using it to negotiate with them, problem.

    So think about it more like a display of power, like if you brought them along to see you beat the guy up. Or play a song that had 100 women wet…

  14. “If they rub their tits at the vendor he may even take their low ball offer”

    “bringing your plates to observe you doing something high value is definitely a plus[…]If they are just along for the ride, no problem[…]think about it more like a display of power, like if you brought them along to see you beat the guy up.”

    Have them do the work for you by sending the uglier of the two first (don’t let her know this is why you’re sending her in first heh). Have him reject her by making an offer way below the asking price.

    Then send in the prettier one with your money (a bit more than the first girl’s offer) a short while after ready to buy the asset. After acquiring the asset have her meet you and the uglier one around the corner. Then bring them back to your apartment to celebrate (;) 😉 😉 ) the heist. #BonnieAndClyde.

  15. “do they know each other?”

    IAS: “N=3 and N=4 are from the same social circle and know each other […] At some point I even pulled N=3 and N=4 into a triangle and we were dancing to music while rubbing our asses together (ass to ass grinding basically), they were laughing their asses off as well”.

  16. @Sentient: not openly, if they either suspect or know they haven’t let it on.

    Presumably girls are good at spotting stuff like that, but at what level I’m not sure. They probably spot the IOIs and kino I receive from the other which pre-selects me, but maybe not enough to make the leap from there to “he’s banging her as well”.

  17. Palma- all okay? More or less? Anything we can do to help?

    Hope you’re not leaving the comments section permanently. Perhaps think about returning with a different username after some time.

  18. @Palmasailor

    Not leaving but want to tie up loose ends in threads to batten down.

    hope everything works out well…

    good luck!

  19. “^^ basically every time I encounter adversity, she steps up with girl stuff.”

    Rollo has posts on Standards and Vetting… 🙂

    Now just let her blow you before you go and be done with it…

  20. @Palmasailor

    @HABD

    Thx.. but I’m an old scabby dog so will survive plant based bandits, plus I have cold beer..

    I know what you’re gonna say but indulge me on your opinion of EEGF making a speshul journey to get me speshul biscuits (cookies) today.

    Serious escalation right?

    yep…

    it’s the next step on the girl game escalation ladder… the next step up from just arranging a meal or ‘sharing’… bc it’s her personal efforts to you personally and specifically…

    ^^ she didn’t buy anything else for anyone else

    ^^^ all you need to know…lol

    no special effort for old friend (i’m assuming) = not special (to her hindbrain) anymore… soooo, who is?…lol…. (rhetorical…)

    good luck!

  21. @Palmasailor

    @HABD

    ^^ everting you say is correct. Plus there’s the overt communication (when covert fails right?)

    Ie the verbalisation – she said: “I’m gonna do XYZ and then go to town to get you cookies”

    yikes!!!… (<— notice the 3!!! exclamation points…lol)

    get OUT!!!… the call came from INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!!…lol

    Last night as I finished I was leaving and I got questioned “where are you going?”

    yikes!!!! (<— notice the 4!!!!…lol)

    depending on how this was said, she was either just making small talk… OR… she (her hindbrain) is showing some possessory interest in you… based on everything, i would bet it was the latter…

    me “are you my mother now?” It went on slightly from that, but I didn’t answer the question and left. Which thinking about it of course is a shit test pass. Aaaaaaand I should have failed it, right..

    yep…lol… but you are in too deep now… i think at this point, almost anything you do, her hindbrain can spin it to make you ‘attractive’…

    EEFG: where are you going?
    Palma: are you my mother?
    EEFG (hindbrain): d*mn! he’s an alpha stud… he didn’t answer the question, so he must not be needy…)

    EEFG: where are you going?
    Palma: i’m going to xxx.
    EEFG (hindbrain): he cares, and wants me to know about his life!!!

    EEFG: where are you going?
    Palma (trying to be beta): i don’t know, yet. where do YOU think i should go?… make a decision for me…
    EEFG (hindbrain): he values ME… and my opinions about his life… i DO have a shot!!!… HEY! hamster!!! wake up and drop that towel!!!

    lol…

    good luck!

  22. HEY! hamster!!! wake up and drop that towel!!!

    Lolz…

    Palma

    I was kidding about standards and vetting, that is the next post in RT’s series though… Basically she is trying to make herself attractive to you…

    Also…

    this “she (her hindbrain) is showing some possessory interest in you… “

    and this “I’ve lost 3 stone since divorce and can’t shift the final half stone…

    I’ve told her this and she keeps buying them and I keep eating them… “

    can be linked… with the idea that you “stay attainable” for her…

    with all your stress… I expect a backrub to come your way in 3… 2… 1…. !

  23. Palmasailor

    I’ve told her this and she keeps buying them and I keep eating them… and drinking cold beer.

    Heh, obvious IOI is very obvious.
    Agree with Sentient, you are soooo tense in the shoulders right now, even though you do not notice it. No worries! She’ll help with that too.

    I’ll join with HABD: good luck!

  24. “No fucks given about age of consent either.”

    Just remember, fifteen will get you twenty in Texas. There was this fifteen year old in Texas…lol…jk…

    As to fifteen year old girls’ looks–back in the day there were plenty of fourteen year olds who looked like mature women. Even a few thirteen year olds.

  25. “I find older women (30+) much much easier to hook and bang than the 16-23 type girl,”

    I’m not in high schools much these days, so the lower end of that range is outside my current experience…except for malls…sometimes young girls will hold my gaze…

    Obviously, since I have girl friends in the 20-23 range who ask me out….

  26. ASD

    “Obviously, since I have girl friends in the 20-23 range who ask me out….”

    “Women have boyfriends and girlfriends. If you are not fucking her, you’re her girlfriend” – – Rollo Tomassi

  27. So some fringe social circle stuff leaking out…

    One woman i’ve seen around for like five years, would say hey while she was walking her dog or what not. She was pleasant enough. But nothing beyond, hello, weather etc. and moving on. 5 minutes. every three months or so. attractive. Would also run into her and a guy or girl friend while out with friends myself and again, hellos, what’s new etc. nothing much, good seeing you. so long. kind of stuff. Then maybe 8 months ago she was seated next to me at a bar, side by side. I had friends to my other side, same with her. But I noticed her leg was very close. So I would periodically move my leg against hers, briefly. she never moved off. eventually our legs were pressed side by side, and once and a while i’d scratch my knee and just graze her leg while doing so. So nothing else we split. Maybe 2 months later saw her by herself at a bar when I was coming in, she looked bright and said “hello!” and came over and gave me a hug, and as I tend to do I gave her a boyfriend posture hug, sliding arms down her back and finishing with an arm around her hip and pulling her close while chatting. I said “hey have a drink with me” and she said she was just leaving ( she was waiting for a guy who came out of the restroom shortly after) but definitely let’s another time. And since I generally don’t do numbers she left. so a few more months pass and I saw coming in getting lunch as I was leaving a place and again she gives the big hello and hug and I say well now we can have that drink and she says she is meeting work people but we should sometime. I had a rare freeish night so I said let’s do it tonight. You been to X? she said no, I said well I’ll probably go there around 8. she says maybe she will.

    So I go there and sure as shit she comes in dressed up at 8:05 in a dress. we sit at the bar, and basically I just sat there, drank, nodded my head and hmmm hmmm’d while she went on about things. she was laughing and smiling. Nice, upbeat, feminine. Divorced but they are friends. no kids. Yoga body. no fat at all. Says she rarely goes out and the guys i see her with are friends or work people. Eventually I put my hand on her knee while she was talking and just lazily swirling my fingers around in a circle, while three quarters facing away and drinking my drink. she’s talking on and on. lower my hand to her calf and just stroke it up and down then the back of her knee. she keeps rambling on talking…. i say “why are your legs so smooth” while turning towards her and now stroking her upper thigh with my other hand, one hand now on the back of her chair. so know I’m turned facing her, bit of lazer. She laughs and says “it might be sweat! it’s getting hot down there” and lols… I lol. Have some more drink. Slide my hand up between her legs and just rub her pussy lazily while she keeps on talking… she says “are you playing with me?” and smiles. I say “maybe” and roll off a little have some more drink. Then my phone rings. I say I have to go get this. Take call outside. come back in. She says “you have to go?” I say yeah soon, “have you seen the courtyard here?”. she says no. we go outside, one woman is outside smoking, her back to us about 20 feet away. we chit chat a second then square up and make out. slide my hand up her dress and finger her a little. she likes it but isn’t dripping so i stop. she’s pressing her crotch into mine while leaning back, her arms on my chest and arms, feeling.

    Now she says “so what is this baby? You not getting something at home?”. God i hate these “interrogations”. they always seem to have some question like this. I just say “maybe I just like you” and she feels my chest again and says “mmmmm. a real man”. I say you like that huh and she makes a little growl and comes in and kisses my neck pulling me in and gives me a little bite. I say “hey!” Take it easy no marks…” I say you know I’m married right? she says “oh yeah, that’s not an issue”. I say OK be cool. she says “but tell me.. what is your name? lol” I laugh, tell her. she lols and says now she will remember it. So we go back in. I go to pay, she says she already paid it. we go out front she is going on about how great this was and how much fun she had. She asks if I have time to come over. i say I have to go. she says well let’s do this again soon. it was great seeing you. i say yeah let’s but don’t make a move to exchange numbers. so she says “let’s just see if we run into each other again I guess” I say yeah, that will be fun. She asks some places I go to. I tell her. she says again she had a great time and is lolling and we go our separate ways.

    She was fun and cool, but i was holding back. Not really amped up at all.

  28. “Looking at it from here that’s the moment I would have”

    The issue here isn’t in not knowing how to seal the deal (sentient isn’t a rookie). It’s in not feeling like doing it. I’ve read a lot of field reports here with guys getting to the red zone (softnek, culum, blax) but then for whatever reason there’s something that prevents them from finishing the job (“ehhhhhh I don’t really feel like it anymore. The validation was enough.” I still got it baby! ).

  29. Palmasailor
    Ex wife also insisted on throwing out an incredible collection of jackets that I used to wear out with my wing and bought me boring arse shit shirts etc…

    Unless you instructed her to prune your wardrobe, that was a major shit test. “Mommy” can do that to the closet of her “little boy”…wifey gets to put clean clothing away and mend things. That’s pretty much it.

    No wonder she’s your ex.

  30. J

    The validation was enough.” I still got it baby!

    I think you are projecting with the validation thing. By this metric it would be more validating to go home with her, so i should have joined her invitation to do so. To me, in this instance, it wasn’t a big deal and I had second thoughts about a deeper entanglement, despite her being good looking and cool enough to be around. [interestingly part of those second thoughts come from the triggering questions about marriage and the psychoanalysis many want to do. a deeper topic to explore in another thread.]

    When you stop measuring life by the pussy inch, you can do what you want to do. When you want to do it. Someone termed this “The Platinum Rule”.

    All encounters have an end. Some via bang, some not. Meh.

    [PS – also don’t be confused by little snippets of brief encounters, like a coffee shop meet or airport between flights where banging isn’t going to happen anyway via structure/logistics… Game is all around]

  31. “By this metric it would be more validating to go home with her, so i should have joined her invitation to do so”

    No. You, like the catch and release crowd here, get your validation in the form of “I still got it baby!”

    Catch and release: noun A cycle which sees someone enjoy the thrill of the chase, lose interest as soon as they’ve ‘caught’ their target and immediately embark upon a new search

    Where “catch” here, doesn’t require actually fucking the girl to get it. All you gotta do to get this form of validation is to convince yourself you would’ve slept with her if you felt like it (“meh”).

    “I had second thoughts about a deeper entanglement […] part of those second thoughts come from the triggering questions about marriage”

    I say “hey!” Take it easy no marks…” I say you know I’m married right? she says “oh yeah, that’s not an issue”

    Sounds to me like she was cool being your side chick, compardre.

    https://youtu.be/Jam8WMxi3rk

    “All encounters have an end”

    Yeah. Sex or an objection to sex. Those are the only 2 possible outcomes of an encounter….at least for those still in the game.

    “don’t be confused by little snippets of brief encounters, like a coffee shop meet or airport between flights where banging isn’t going to happen anyway via structure/logistics”

    Limiting belief. If you want something bad enough you’ll find a way.

    Just say she wasn’t hot enough lol. No shame in that.

  32. “You’re assuming you’re going to bang anything you encounter regardless of any further info / red flags that come to lite bc that’s what you do if you can.”

    If I’m talking to an attractive girl, which I’m assuming sentient’s girl was, then the only red flags that would make me go “uhh no thanks” are:

    “By the way I have XYZ STD”
    “By the way I was born a guy”

    which isn’t the case here.

    I don’t let moral compasses guide my decisions so if I get, “I have a boyfriend/husband” I’m still going for it.

    Let’s separate banging a girl you like physically from banging a girl with the intention of further involvement [girlfriend/wife/mother of my kids]

  33. J

    “is to convince yourself you would’ve slept with her if you felt like it “

    This is just more of your projection. No such claims have been made… But you can’t conceive of this not being about validation.

    Palma

    You’re assuming you’re going to bang anything you encounter

    The formerly incel take a long time to get out of this stage, if they do at all. MUST BANG ALL WOMEN…

  34. “is to convince yourself you would’ve slept with her if you felt like it “

    No such claims have been made…

    I don’t see how it could be any other way. Either that or she wasn’t hot enough. Because the objection/red flag (I gave 2 legitimate red flags in response to Palma’s comment) you gave for not going through with it was bogus (“deeper entanglement”).

  35. @j: what about:
    Chances of regret after the fact leading to, e.g., FRA?
    Chances of girl intentionally or unintentionally getting pregnant?
    Chances of girl getting too fond of you and changing her mind about being cool with being the side chick (or never actually intending it in the first place)?

  36. @IAS

    None of these “chances” you presented affects my decision of whether or not to pull a girl home this evening.

    FRA?

    I never (and neither should anyone else who knows what they’re doing) spend a second thinking about (nor fearing) a girl accusing me of raping her after I fucked her. That’s boogeyman manosphere shit.

    unintentional pregnancies?

    Majority of girls I fucked via SNL (19-28 years old), have all been without a condom. Zero pregnancy scares to date. As Chase wrote in a recent article over at GC, “if you go around dropping loads into random girls you pick up for one-night stands, your odds are not that high for impregnation. On the other hand, when you’re in a relationship with a girl, where you’re seeing her regularly, it is very, very easy to impregnate her, especially early on in the relationship during the first 90-day honeymoon period, or after major fights and breakup/get-back-together scenarios” and as Rollo quoted Scribbs as saying in today’s OP, “Many young women do not want children at all”. If by chance I get a girl pregnant, I already have that situation dealt with (won’t share here), so even IF I do get a bitch pregnant, I don’t care.

    Changing her mind about wanting to be more than my FB?

    lol dump her (or do something retarded to get yourself dumped) and wish her well.

  37. Lol, of course, I agree with Sentient and Palma. More on that later tho.

    IAS

    Sup man?

    Chances of regret after the fact leading to, e.g., FRA? Never had this, although once on vacation my 1st wife said I raped her because I kicked the bathroom door open and threw her over my shoulder and tossed her in bed and was ” rough “.
    I ( jokingly ) told her to stfu, and we had a good laugh.

    Chances of girl intentionally or unintentionally getting pregnant?

    Yeah, gotta watch out for this shit. I think a lot of guys mistakenly believe that girls don’t want to get pregnant, but protect ya neck.
    I’m certain that this happened at least twice. Had sex, she removed the condom for blowjob, inserted my condomless penis into her vagina, resisted being thrown off ( she was riding ) – knew I was ejaculating, then sat there impaled for maybe 5 minutes smiling.

    Bitch.

    Chances of girl getting too fond of you and changing her mind about being cool with being the side chick (or never actually intending it in the first place)?

    Happened many times. After divorce, I was collecting plates and managed 5, but I had 2 ” favorites” that I’d let spend the night and shit. I liked having a woman in bed beside me after sex and when I woke up. Mistake #1 ( and why I lost interest in spinning plates ). Shit got nasty for a minute.

    I’ve spoken here before about ” K “. Actually, I had an FR about K’s friend trying to put penis in her oral cavity, lol.( which kinda goe to what Sentient is saying, and what my bro J can’t phathom ). This past spring, K turned 22 years old. Time flies. K started throwing pussy hints as soon as she turned 18 ( knowing married of course – even knowing wifey….chicks…smh ). She’s promising that she only wants ” one time “, unless I choose something else, in which case she’s cool with that too.

    But this young girl has been building up the whole sex thing for years now. She got my cell number once, and I had to block her number because ( doing all that shit girls do when trying to hypnotize you with pussy/sex/anything you want – just between us ).

    Extra Red Flag: She’s always looking at my daughter, playing with her hair and saying how beautiful she is, then saying shit like ” You make beautiful girls huh ?”.

    Chalk it up to ” age ” or whatever, but I’ve been careful about chicks for a very, very long time. They can say all kinds of stuff, but their eyes don’t lie that well, not to mention their actions.

    When I was younger than J, I’d set out hunting chicks all the time because incredibly horny, but I was still more selective because I didn’t want drama. And believe me, you put your dick in the wrong chick and you will have more drama than the academy awards. And in the end, there are more chicks than you could possibly bang in 2 lifetimes, so you can bypass the 8 looking at you with dreamy eyes for the 7 that you have a better understanding with.

  38. Aight so we agree FRAs are bullshit. And we agree the chances of unintentionally knocking up a chick are incredibly low (only 2 pregnancy scares in your 25+ years of banging chicks. And I’m assuming they weren’t girls you picked up on the very first night you met them (this applies to K too. She may express interest in wanting to have kids now via her, “you make beautiful girls” comment, but….I know @22 she’s had numerous sex partners. Whether they were one night stands, social circle hookups, boyfriends, she still ain’t pregnant. None of them may have expressed the “potential hubby” qualities you do (which were revealed to her over time (she may see you differently than when she first met you @18 (not thinking about you knocking her up), so those other guys weren’t more than a ONS/FB/BF) cause speed ain’t your thang, right? See quote about “one night stand pregnancy odds” in my post). And we also agree that girls do change their minds about wanting to be more than a side chick. Cause emotions. But that can be dealt with with minimal drama that you won’t need to swear off spinning plates for good.

  39. @ J

    Lol. K has had sex, a couple of bf’s and some other shit, but she hasn’t had a whole lot ( cock carousel ). Granted, she might get there one day now that she lives in Brooklyn as opposed to rural Maryland, and her parents are farther away.

    And no, ” speed ” ain’t my thang. Lol. Quantity and quality.

    But I don’t care what anybody wrote, biology works and a chick can indeed get pregnant with one shot. I have heard too many times over the years about guys knocking up some random ONS. Unless your swimmers are handicapped, beware!!!

    Her BFF offered to blow me though, and that chick, as pretty as she was, got some miles on her.

  40. Most of what I understand about FRA’s come from the stuff I’ve been reading over the past few years, but I’ve never experienced anything remotely like that. I’m not sure what these guys are doing, or how they choose, but in some circles it seems to be a ” thing ” now.

  41. The problem with @j’s analysis (I had a longer post on this a few months ago but my google-fu isn’t up to finding it) is that ignores the concept of EV.

    That is to say, an analysis of risk like this (FRAs, pregnancies, STDs, whatever) has to take into account not just how likely the risk is, but also how serious it is.

    The more serious it is, the more important that it be mitigated even if the absolute chances are relatively low.

    Sure, the absolute chances of getting an FRA are pretty low. The chances of a pregnancy scare if you’re regularly barebacking and coming inside young fertile women are actually not that low (but that’s a separate discussion).

    But either of those things is a massive life-changing event and worth mitigating even if the chances are low in absolute terms. Just ignoring the risk and acting as if it can’t happen to you is a recipe for disaster with catastrophic consequences.

  42. @Palma,

    No I agree with you (I also loved that movie as a kid). I was addressing a different point with @j.

    Sentient decided to eject for some reason unknown to his conscious brain. He just perceived it as “not feeling it”. Which is a perfectly valid reason. The actual underlying reason could be anything – maybe subcomms implying she’ll turn into a bunny boiler, maybe she’s not hot enough..whatever.

    Certainly, once I nailed my online dating skills I’d go on like 5 day business trips and once I’d slept with a woman/women on night 1/night 2, and was no longer in sexual scarcity from being in Small Town where I used to be, I’d just not care enough to keep doing it – even though I could have had a different woman every one of those five nights who was hot enough (not necessarily a HB9 – but hot enough for me to bang) or even get the same women to come back. The experience was just not good enough to repeat – aka those women just didn’t add enough value beyond pure sex when I was horny – I’d rather go out for a drink alone and make new friends or read a book or whatever.

    Typically it would be something like getting laid the first night, then a few nights of relaxing alone/meeting actual friends (if any in that town), then get laid again on the last night before going back to Small Town (either same girl as before or new girl).

  43. Kids today…

    And we agree the chances of unintentionally knocking up a chick are incredibly low

    I have a friend who is a trial lawyer. He tells worked up emotional people they have about a 17% chance of losing at trial, do they still want to go ahead with it? They all say yes.

    Then he tells them those are the same odds as Russian Roulette, do you still want to try the case? And most say no.

    https://media.extratv.com/2016/07/02/deer-hunter-31-825×580.jpg

  44. Palma / Culum

    “Which is why he posted it here. To analyse that. It wasn’t validation, it was to understand what happened and why.”

    Really just thought it was interesting. The whole thing, from the little ioi’s spread out over the months, to how she reacted when put on the spot, how I sat there and said almost nothing for an hour… just increased the kino and intensity… all that kind of stuff. and yeah some ruminating on the ending and really how it makes me feel when they start asking what I consider “personal questions”. That is the real interesting part for me, it happens over and over.

    Still trying to figure out if it they’re validating themselves i.e. she thinks “she’s so special/hot/whatever” a married guy wants her or they are trying to slot themselves into a female pecking order or maybe it’s something else. Still trying to figure the words to describe the question actually… It’s very odd, but a common situation.

  45. The chances of a pregnancy scare if you’re regularly barebacking and coming inside young fertile women are actually not that low (but that’s a separate discussion).

    A lot of the younger girls are using the Plan B pill as a method of birth control. Heck, I saw it on the shelf at Walmart…
    Someone of that age I know also knows she has Gonorrhea, but keeps spreading it to different Tinder guys while ‘she gets around to treating it’…

  46. Game example

    http://datagenetics.com/blog/february22016/index.html

    “According to the internet (so it has to be true), there is a variant of the Russian Roulette problem that is commonly asked as an interview question. It goes like this:

    “Let’s play a game of Russian Roulette. You are tied to a chair. Here’s a gun, six chambers, all empty. Now watch me as I put two bullets in the gun into adjacent chambers. I close the cylinder and spin it. I put the gun to your head and pull the trigger. Click. You’re still alive. Lucky you! Now, before we discuss your résumé, I’m going to pull the trigger one more time. Which would you prefer, that I spin the cylinder first or that I just pull the trigger?””

    … [statistical breakdown and answer]

    [Footnote – THIS is Game…]

    “*If I ever went to an interview and was asked this question, I’d probably say that I’d only answer the question if the interviewer could give me, in return, the correct answer about what to do if the two rounds were placed in random (not adjacent) positions. If the interviewer could not answer, it’s clear that they are just asking cookie-cut questions that they already know the solution to. I’d conclude, therefore, that I’d probably no want to work for them. If they could answer, we’d have mutual respect, and I’d probably really enjoy talking and working with this person. An interview should be a symbiotic experience: It’s as much about the interviewer selling themselves to the candidate as it is the candidate selling him/her-self to the interviewer (IMHO).”

  47. disgruntledearthling
    A lot of the younger girls are using the Plan B pill as a method of birth control. Heck, I saw it on the shelf at Walmart…

    Every drug store has it now, not just in the college towns. Pretty sure it’s something a girl has to go get a pharmacist to unlock, but that’s not a huge deal. She can keep her eyes on her shoes the whole time.

    Someone of that age I know also knows she has Gonorrhea, but keeps spreading it to different Tinder guys while ‘she gets around to treating it’…

    “Gets around to”, lol. She just doesn’t want the embarrassment of a clinic appointment. Wonder if she also has chlamydia?

  48. @Sentient

    That is the real interesting part for me, it happens over and over.

    sooo, you recognize that it is structural… and not a personal one-off…

    Still trying to figure out if it they’re validating themselves i.e. she thinks “she’s so special/hot/whatever” a married guy wants her or they are trying to slot themselves into a female pecking order or maybe it’s something else. Still trying to figure the words to describe the question actually… It’s very odd, but a common situation.

    how about the last token beta bait/sh*t test for AF… before they go all in?…

    good luck!

  49. ” lol where dem HB8-9s at???”

    Same places they’ve always been.

    As I’ve said numerous time, 8-9’s aren’t common, 6-7’s are plentiful. Most guys get 5-6 and think they’re hitting a jackpot.
    Same as it ever was.

  50. Girls at the hotel have been hitting on me…one is always hanging around me working as long as possible in my vicinity…another looked at me and told me some sh*t about “taking what you love”. (Blax wouldn’t like her–she’s too skinny.) But I’m just their girl friend…barely talk to either one…just being polite…

    …it seems that southern girls don’t try to hide their interest when they first see you (white/hispanic/black)…I get sexy smiles in the south that I don’t get in the north…not saying that northern girls are any less sexual, but they seem to hide showing their sexual interest at first…

  51. after just meeting her the night before, here’s a next-day text to me commenting on how far I got with with her:

    “…. I should never have allowed that, but it felt good ….”

    that sums it all up right there, fellas lol

  52. lol @ Palma…”explain”…girls typically haven’t a clue why they like a man…they’ll say all kinds of sh*t, but really, they haven’t a clue…a girl, talking about her ugly lover will say, “He has a cute grin.” Really, however, he’s just very masculine and confident and not insecure and enforces his boundaries

    You pay too much attention to what women say.

  53. Huh???

    What???

    Yo, engage them and pull the answers out while blowing past the fluff.

    Game son.

    You can ” ask ” her if she likes older men 10 different ways in a 10 minute conversation without ever saying ” older “, she’ll answer you 10 different ways, and a pattern ( along with a fairly accurate representation of the truth ) will emerge.

    Try this next time a girl smiles at you😁 , start talking to her and midway through, start moving around/back and see if she adjusts to maintain she contact and proximity. They do all kinds of shit that belies their words.

    Smiling and looking isn’t necessarily one of them.

  54. LOL – just lol at the Millionaire Matchmaker on that app. All I noticed was that she looks like a man and something about “wanting an alpha male”.

    As for the other woman, surely that’s just all the guys messaging her for an easy lay (and if she’s new to the app she probably gets more visibility).

    Did you not even get a notification your picture was deleted? Aren’t there other men with shirtless pictures?

  55. ” . . . something about “wanting an alpha male”.”

    That something was wanting an alpha male at work but a beta at home. A hunter/warrior who asks for her enthusiastic consent to be dominant, now and again, when it suits her.

    There used to be a term that was so common and so well understood that it became embedded in English common law as a proper legal term:

    Spinster.

  56. “You can ” ask ” her if she likes older men 10 different ways in a 10 minute conversation without ever saying ” older “, she’ll answer you 10 different ways, and a pattern ( along with a fairly accurate representation of the truth ) will emerge.

    Try this next time a girl smiles at you😁 , start talking to her and midway through, start moving around/back and see if she adjusts to maintain she contact and proximity. They do all kinds of shit that belies their words.”

    Lol, the pattern only emerges if you have eyes to see. You seriously think I didn’t test by moving, etc.? lol Asking a woman questions just adds a lot noise to the signal. Does a woman keep trying to get your attention? That’s the signal. You don’t need to ask anything.

    You and Game? lol, I’m sure you’ll get it someday.

    Now, here’s a Game test for you gamesters…

    Twice on Fox broads (Martha McCallum and Kristen who shows up around noon) have said that the new impeachment process is open.

    Is it open? (Hint: what would Blax say?)

    How would you answer the broad who said that the new impeachment process was open?

  57. Palma

    “Amirite?”

    Yes. She is putting it all on you because she told so she can never be at fault. It’s. A big lol.

    The play is to just go forward as if he doesn’t exist or exists only in an abstract sense. As things firm up you can refer to him as “her boy” from time to time. Like “your boy can buy you dinner”…

  58. yeah with girls with boyfriends the idea is you want to frame them as low value by highlighting the things these girls want, that their boyfriends don’t provide. Them flirting with you, despite the fact that they’ve told you they’re taken, hints at something missing in their lives. Your job, as a seducer, is to find out what that certain something (could also be multiple things) is. And have her see that you can provide what she desperately wants. Be that, adventure, passion, multiple orgasms etc.,

  59. @palma

    Oh ya. I watched the 2000 British film, Gangster No 1, with Paul Bettany before heading out to the bars last weekend. It’s definitely up there with Goodfellas and Scarface as one of the coolest gangster movies I’ve ever watched. Strong recommendation.

  60. “have her see that you can provide what she desperately wants”

    Have FR from the other night on this exact topic. Which was verbalize along the lines of “with you (me) I could have everything (everything being open hypergamy with her husband and family and me as a naughty side). Wrapped in shit test I’m still puzzling over…

    Won’t get to until Monday…

    Palma

    On the bartender IF you can set the frame that you both know it’s a pretext, which J is alluding to with “specializing”, then yes do that. Because that covers everything I.e. it shows you as a guy who gets it and recognizes attraction AND has balls to act on it AND you know how to frame for discretion, I.e. secret society bona fides.

    The frame:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Chiycyz14GE

    [Me… With the little roll off and refocus…]

  61. @J – Experience LMR for, I think the firts time ever in maybe 40 or so lays. I honestly thought it was just something that happened to other people and not me lol

    I was gaming some young (20?)Russian girl. I mentioned her in a prior FR. She was the girl who recognised me from tinder and I gamed her for a bit and we danced and made out but she wouldn’t let me come back with her

    So I bump into her agian last night, and she was the one doing the chasing. A few times I was chatting with other girls and she’d interreupt. Near closing time I said something like ”Let’s go oback to your place” and she agreed.

    We had a little kiss on the walk. At one point she said she’d never had a one night stand or banged some guy she’d just met.

    Ordinarily I’d assume that was complete shit, but could it be the case bearing in mind she’s Russian? I don’t know

    Either way, we got in bed, and she basically shut the fucking gate lol. Tried a few PUA tricks to break the LMR but it wasn’t happening.

    INt he morning I started rubbing her as I was spooning her, but even though she diidn’t resist, she certainly wasn’t encouraging me (which most girls do when I instigate morning sex)

    I gave up. Was tempted to just escalate more and more, but It just felt weird, tbh. Like some horny rapist feeling her up lol

    Got her number and stuff but i’m new to LMR. Been lucky enough to basically never ever experience it. Is it dead with her now? Does she tihink i’m a pussy and I should have at least pushed harder this morning? I feel like I might have instantly slipped into the friendzone or something

    Other than that, fairly quiet night. Although, again, girls who I mentioned in a prior FR played a small role. I mentioned a few weeks back about being out with my slayer friend and we were gaming these 2 teenage 9’s! They recognised me last night and I was going pretty good with one of them but it fizzled out fast because the other hot friend was fucking hammer drunk and I lost her.. Sucks. Weird night!

  62. ” a few weeks back about being out with my slayer friend and we were gaming these 2 teenage 9’s! “

    Lol @ the explanation points.

    2 teenage 9’s huh?

    Not one, but two nines.

    Is it fashion week or something where you are?

  63. @ford

    “Does she tihink i’m a pussy and I should have at least pushed harder this morning?”

    Yeah. And by “pushed harder’ I mean tell sex stories WITHOUT sexually escalating on her. What we wanna do here is get her sexually curious via the stories to want to actually experience what these other girls got to experience with you. Tell the stories in a way where your not trying to turn her on with them. Your just sharing something funny that happened to you recently (the story you tell doesn’t have to be recently. Like if your telling her a story about some crazy shit that happened in Greece a couple years ago. Say “last month” instead. Better for DHV tbh). After your story. Get investment from her by asking her for her craziest sex story “what bout you? What’s like the craziest thing that ever happened to you. It doesn’t have to be sexual lol”) If she doesn’t tell you one then, “damn girl so boring. Nah but I feel so bad for you. I kinda wish I was your boyfriend right now. Cause with me. Crazy shit is alllllways happening. And I love it. Cause honestly those stories are the kinda shit I wanna tell my kids when I’m an old man” if she doesn’t volunteer a story here, then “but yoooo I haven’t even told you the craziest thing that’s ever happened to me lmao. I don’t know if your able to handle this one” then kino, “aight come here for a second” hand around her shoulders or waist “alright so….” (during the story. I like to do the things into this girl, that I did with the chick in the story
    “ok so I grabbed her like this” “so we started touching each other like this (grab her hand and place it on you)” “them we made out like this”)

    Then answer whatever questions she brings up regarding the story/your lifestyle (usually by this point she’s too turned on by your story and wants to fuck (so shut up and escalate. But if she isn’t then just be cool until she id. the takeaway from all the shit is: dont escalate until you can tell she’s too turned on to want to stop you. None of this “two steps forward one step back” shit. And you’ll get the lay.

  64. @ j -cheers – I had a flashback, and I tihnk the fact that I couldn’t remember her name on the walk back to her place might have played a role, tbh!! (probably the last thing she wanted to hear after telling me she’s never had a one night stand lol)

    I think its’ dead with her now, but i’ll try to remember the sex talk stuff for the next girl!

    The one that got away Steady 7 to my tastes: https://imgur.com/a/j4eeD1f

  65. “2 teenage 9’s huh?

    Not one, but two nines.

    Is it fashion week or something where you are?”

    Beautiful women tend to have beautiful women as friends.

    ” the takeaway from all the shit is: dont escalate until you can tell she’s too turned on to want to stop you.”

    A woman’s primary sexual organ is between her ears. If you want to turn a woman on, escalate her primary sexual organ.

    Tease, titillate, confuse, amuse, and tease–but never explicate.

  66. @Blax: rules for betas, broken for alphas.

    Or should I say…

    In before Blax goes (holding EC)
    “Oldest guy you’d date”
    “How old are YOU?” (batting eyelids)

  67. Dude. You know who you are. Get Rollo to delete that last post, like now-ish.

    It took me exactly 6 minutes to find the story.

    PS – LOL. It’s pretty funny. Don’t worry, it’ll die down but just take proactive steps now like you’ve been taking.

  68. PPS – Don’t worry too much. I found it because I’ve read most of what you’ve posted here. Without that background the connection is much harder to make. But still, better safe than sorry.

  69. It is funny. I think I came across that article as a “trending” item the other day and there was a line in it that made me think of “our guy”…

  70. Get Rollo to delete that last post, like now-ish.

    +1…

    then just come back (with an even different name) without the acknowledgement…

    we’ll figure it out…lol

    good luck!

  71. @HABD

    Glad you figured it out!

    what i mean is, delete all of this new barnaclebill comments… then just come back and don’t reference any of your prior stuff… we’ll figure out who you are… make a clean break…

    good luck!

  72. Brain Trust

    Thoughts? Very specific question on motives,this is not a “how do you bang” question.

    Being brief…

    So with the married situation… went no contact, stopped replying to texts. a few weeks go by, she contrives a reason to resume on some neighborhood bs. Interesting that girls chasing texts look like beta guy texts, she’d ask a question referring to whatever slim info about my life she knew i was going to do like “How was XYZ??” I’m Joe Friday, super straight and few words “Good, thanks” she responding to this kind of stuff with “Oh great!! I’m so glad!!!” with multiple exclamation points… she asks a few more of these kind of questions and I just stop responding. Hoping she would get the hint.

    A few days go buy, same thing, pretext initial contact, then an invite, she has some mutual friends over I should come by. I say “doubt it” and leave it. she follows with a group text to more mutual acquaintances that she is having drinks everyone should come by. I am with some of these people and they say sure let’s stop in. So go over and she is all beaming… At one point I go to get a drink in another room and she and another woman come to do the same. I make a drink, other woman uses the bathroom, I walk by her on my way back to the party and rake my hand across her stomach. Later on I go make a drink again and she comes in and gets close. I say “what am I going to do with her” and she is beaming and says “I don’t know?” with a coy grin. I move my head 4 millimeters towards her and she shoots her face up, eyes closed open mouth with tongue lolling… Kiss her, she is hungry and moans. Break off. someone calls from the other room she goes out. I make my drink and we pass in the foyer, she says “ummm. sooo how many times have you done that?” I say what? and shrug. she says really I want to know. I just say nothing. she says my husband is in the next room!

    I go back in the room and sit down. Later she comes n and takes a seat on the floor by me, cross legged, at my feet. At one point she is telling a story and she puts her hand on my knee for emphasis, holds it a second too long… Party breaks up. later that night I get a text “holy shit!”… then four minutes later “you really are trouble”.

    a few days later another pretext text. same Joe Friday responses from me one word. straight down the middle. etc. same me dropping off and not responding to the last line. Halloween comes and she is dressed as a slutty [insert noun] short skirt etc. Goes out of her way to come round my place [people all sitting out front throughout the hood] and ask if I saw her kid. Total BS just wanted to come round and show off. Later I’m going to the local,have another woman in tow [pawn] as we go by her house, say we are heading up with a bunch of people. she and her friend decline. a few minutes later I get a text of her giving the finger. lol eventually she and friend come up and sit ith me and a group. banter blah blah. she asks what my costume is {none] and I say “the devil you know”… More banter some other women grabbing, laughing etc. Bit of a scene

    Now here is the question… she says “seriously I have to know how many affairs you’ve had” I say you got the wrong guy. Not me. etc. This is all in a vibey bubble btw. Not harsh. she says ” you aren’t getting into my pants unless you tell me” I say I have no idea what she is talking about. Now she gets a little frustrated and says – this is interesting – “You could have everything you want if you just tell me”, which I read as “I can have everything I want [i.e. Husband and side guy]… was like I could physically see the words being translated. I say “you should watch it”. some more banter, drinks, then she says “you were in my house and kissed me when my husband was there”. I say “don’t even start that shit” and back turn her, g back to my drink. she says “I am going to find out one day”… then she says “well you texted me first, i knew you liked me then”… which conveniently leaves out she come over my house to make contact after that first encounter… lol I lol at this then she changes the subject back to asking questions about me, beta kind of questions. I say ” this isn’t interesting” she says ” well you wont talk about what i want so”. But changes the subject to mroe fun stuff. ends up her telling her friend that I’m such an asshole, her friend is by me and I have an arm around her friend. tehn we leave, I have each one on my arm and we walk out. Get into my friends car, they walk off. ten minutes later text “devil!’ I don’t respond. five minutes later “you really like me”, i don’t respond, three minutes later “and I really really hate you!”… and that is where things are since. no contact at all.

    So question – why is she asking about the affair thing?

    My prediction – she will be no contact for a few weeks then start up again.

  73. Field report. Was out this weekend to a pub to see a band, had a plate that was going as well. I was getting IOI’s from several women deliberately dancing up against me and giving me eyes. Feel like it was preselection in play. My question is what is the best way to get another woman’s information when you are already out with another woman. It is a small place and hard to sepaerate from plate. Suggestions?

  74. Savage

    Tell the target to go to the bathroom and write her number down on a cocktail napkin. Then she can slip it to you.

  75. Presumably the woman is asking about the number of affairs mainly as a kind of investment test – she is so into you, it’s like a hurdle she’s holding up for you to jump. Not qualifying in a bad way but a good way – she’s so into you that she wants something from you to show how much you like her back if that makes sense – that you’re not too far above her. It so happens to be this, but it could have been anything.

    Tricky to see how to give her what she wants now after she’s made it such an explicit qualifying test – telling her an aswer would be obviously qualifying to her.

    Anyway the drama potential here near your home seems to be sky high. Why bother?

  76. @Not-Sentient

    when you do things like this with girls:

    “I would periodically move my leg against hers, briefly. she never moved off. eventually our legs were pressed side by side, and once and a while i’d scratch my knee and just graze her leg while doing so.”

    “Slide my hand up between her legs and just rub her pussy lazily while she keeps on talking”

    “we chit chat a second then square up and make out. slide my hand up her dress and finger her a little”

    “I just say “maybe I just like you” and she feels my chest again and says “mmmmm. a real man”. I say you like that huh and she makes a little growl and comes in and kisses my neck pulling me in and gives me a little bite.”

    “I say “hey!” Take it easy no marks…” – [ESPECIALLY this. Instead of responding to her kissing your neck with a, “Hey what fuck do you think you’re doing I’m married for fucks sake!” (which would be incongruent with you kissing her and rubbing her pussy lol), you respond in a way that suggests you want to fuck her, but wanna keep this shit on the down low, capish?]

    “I walk by her on my way back to the party and rake my hand across her stomach. Kiss her, she is hungry and moans. [extra bad boy points for doing it with her her husband in the same place lol]”

    it signals to girls that you want to fuck. and then when you refuse to bring it up/address it with your:

    “I say you got the wrong guy. Not me. etc”.

    “I say I have no idea what she is talking about”.

    “you should watch it”.

    “don’t even start that shit”

    she’s like:

    https://thenewswheel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Jackie-Chan-WTF-Meme.png

    and you get “I really really hate you!” texts.

    So question – “why is she asking about the affair thing?”

    This is just shit chicks ask guys that give off player vibes. Like a girl asking you, “how often do you do this?” which to maintain your mysteriousness/attractiveness to her, you’d not give her a logical answer. and instead spike her with a, “do what?” with a sly smile – where she clearly knows your lying but is turned on by it. then when she pushes forward, “come on!!” you respond in a way that makes her feel good about being attracted to a guy she perceives to be a player.

    By answering, “you got the wrong guy. Not me” – without the sly smile, and then continuing with “ have no idea what your talking about” it goes back to what I wrote above about being incongruent with the things you’ve already been doing with her.

    “You could have everything you want if you just tell me”, which I read as “I can have everything I want [i.e. Husband and side guy]”

    Wrong. Her: “I want you and I know you want me [via the pussy rubbing/making out with me]. And I know you want to keep this shit on the down low. and I am 100% cool with that. So I’m telling you. you can have your wife and me on the side. So lets make this happen already”.

  77. @Some Other Guy

    welcome!… always nice to get more participation from new guys…lol

    Brain Trust

    Thoughts? Very specific question on motives,this is not a “how do you bang” question.

    Being brief…

    So with the married situation… went no contact, stopped replying to texts. a few weeks go by, she contrives a reason to resume on some neighborhood bs.

    on the AF part of her monthly cycle, no doubt…lol

    Interesting that girls chasing texts look like beta guy texts, she’d ask a question referring to whatever slim info about my life she knew i was going to do like “How was XYZ??” I’m Joe Friday, super straight and few words “Good, thanks” she responding to this kind of stuff with “Oh great!! I’m so glad!!!” with multiple exclamation points… she asks a few more of these kind of questions and I just stop responding. Hoping she would get the hint.

    A few days go buy, same thing, pretext initial contact, then an invite, she has some mutual friends over I should come by. I say “doubt it” and leave it. she follows with a group text to more mutual acquaintances that she is having drinks everyone should come by. I am with some of these people and they say sure let’s stop in. So go over and she is all beaming… At one point I go to get a drink in another room and she and another woman come to do the same. I make a drink, other woman uses the bathroom, I walk by her on my way back to the party and rake my hand across her stomach. Later on I go make a drink again and she comes in and gets close. I say “what am I going to do with her” and she is beaming and says “I don’t know?” with a coy grin. I move my head 4 millimeters towards her and she shoots her face up, eyes closed open mouth with tongue lolling… Kiss her, she is hungry and moans. Break off. someone calls from the other room she goes out. I make my drink and we pass in the foyer, she says “ummm. sooo how many times have you done that?” I say what? and shrug. she says really I want to know. I just say nothing. she says my husband is in the next room!

    compliance test…

    I go back in the room and sit down. Later she comes n and takes a seat on the floor by me, cross legged, at my feet. At one point she is telling a story and she puts her hand on my knee for emphasis, holds it a second too long… Party breaks up. later that night I get a text “holy shit!”… then four minutes later “you really are trouble”.

    = ‘chase me!!!’…

    a few days later another pretext text. same Joe Friday responses from me one word. straight down the middle. etc. same me dropping off and not responding to the last line. Halloween comes and she is dressed as a slutty [insert noun] short skirt etc. Goes out of her way to come round my place [people all sitting out front throughout the hood] and ask if I saw her kid. Total BS just wanted to come round and show off. Later I’m going to the local,have another woman in tow [pawn] as we go by her house, say we are heading up with a bunch of people. she and her friend decline. a few minutes later I get a text of her giving the finger.

    way to spike those emotions…lol… pre-selection works, yo…lol

    lol eventually she and friend come up and sit ith me and a group. banter blah blah. she asks what my costume is {none] and I say “the devil you know”… More banter some other women grabbing, laughing etc. Bit of a scene

    Now here is the question… she says “seriously I have to know how many affairs you’ve had”

    compliance test…

    I say you got the wrong guy. Not me. etc. This is all in a vibey bubble btw. Not harsh. she says ” you aren’t getting into my pants unless you tell me”

    beta bait… (hinted offer of sex if you comply… = negotiated desire…) (looks like she is running her rolodex…lol)

    I say I have no idea what she is talking about. Now she gets a little frustrated

    = turned on…lol… could you smell her wet panties?…lol

    and says – this is interesting – “You could have everything you want if you just tell me”,

    beta bait with the compliance test added in…lol (that’s what a combo sh*t test looks like…lol)

    which I read as “I can have everything I want [i.e. Husband and side guy]… was like I could physically see the words being translated. I say “you should watch it”. some more banter, drinks, then she says “you were in my house and kissed me when my husband was there”.

    beta bait… (WK variety this time…lol)

    I say “don’t even start that shit” and back turn her, g back to my drink. she says “I am going to find out one day”…

    sh*t test… (threat…)

    then she says “well you texted me first, i knew you liked me then”…

    girls form their reality by saying sh*t…lol… true or not… also beta bait… (offer to ‘clear it up’ = negotiate desire…)

    which conveniently leaves out she come over my house to make contact after that first encounter… lol I lol at this then she changes the subject back to asking questions about me, beta kind of questions. I say ” this isn’t interesting” she says ” well you wont talk about what i want so”. But changes the subject to mroe fun stuff. ends up her telling her friend that I’m such an asshole, her friend is by me and I have an arm around her friend. tehn we leave, I have each one on my arm and we walk out. Get into my friends car, they walk off. ten minutes later text “devil!’

    wow…lol… you really turned her on…

    I don’t respond. five minutes later “you really like me”,

    forming her reality…

    i don’t respond, three minutes later “and I really really hate you!”…

    lol… look at the delta on THAT emotional spike!…lol

    and that is where things are since. no contact at all.

    So question – why is she asking about the affair thing?

    see above… compliance test…

    My prediction – she will be no contact for a few weeks then start up again.

    probably right at the start of her AF part of her cycle…lol

    good luck!

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