Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

15,472 comments on “Field Reports

  1. On OLD photos

    I’m not online at all… But I have eyes… and an artistic bent.

    Do yourselves a favor if you persist in this realm and get some PRO shots done. Your objective is to stand out and cast a net.

    Some background https://johnclarkphotography.blog/2016/07/25/the-actors-headshot-as-a-marketing-tool/

    Headshots introduce you the actor to the casting director. It is your first impression, don’t let it be your last. Without a great headshot you limit your chances of being seen for top class film and TV auditions.

    Actors have to realise that, though acting is an art form, actors are a business and any business needs to be marketed. You need to develop your brand and present yourself to casting directors professionally. CD’s are busy people. They see a lot headshots, CV’s, showreels and self tapes. They instinctively know whether you have taken a pride with your promotional material and presented yourself to the business in a professional way.

    How well you are marketing your brand? You would not invent the best potato crisp in the world and then put it into a plain brown paper bag would you?

    https://johnclarkphotography.blog/2017/04/26/actors-headshot-cheat-sheet/

    So lets make a list of do’s and don’ts when it comes to your headshot.

    You cannot consider getting your headshot done if you do not know your type – your brand. It’s not just a pretty or handsome picture of you. Embrace your big nose, high forehead and square jaw line, you are going to be cast BECAUSE you have those features. Think about the role types you may have already been cast for and what visually your most suited to. The first proper job you a going to get in film and TV will be based on what you look like. Remember the first stage of the casting process is looking at headshots! You don’t have to believe me the headshot photographer, listen to one of the leading US casting directors tirade about headshots here.

    Practice looks and angles. Use a mirror and your phone to hone your expression. Drama schools are very good at teaching you to act but they don’t teach you what you look like. Consider your brand and work towards it. I am not looking for anything gimmicky, crass, over the top, forced, or desperate. I am looking for strong but subtle expression that will draw my interest in you. As Elizabeth Taylor once said to Richard Burton on teaching him the art of screen acting… “Just feel it darling”. (The only exception to this is if you are a comedian that uses unusual expressions in your act). Any of the top headshot photographers will help you achieve your look, that is a major part of our job, but it always helps when the actor understands their own visual stereotype/brand.

    Bring a wardrobe of tops with different necklines. You may be surprised what works for you. Why limit yourself to a black or white t-shirt when the session has cost £250+. Choose clothes that suit your brand, your colouring, your face and neck shape. Just avoid tops that have bold patterns on as these can be too distracting.

    Plan your journey and make sure you arrive about 20 mins before your session starts. This will give you time to relax after your travels and get yourself into the right headspace. Arriving late will build up frustration and anxiety in your mind and you won’t be in the right place to get your headshot done. Why waste half of your session just because you were late?

    Arrive with positive ENERGY. I want to photograph someone who wants to have their picture taken and to express themselves. Energy and interestingness are key ingredients in a great headshot. It gets the casting director to engage in your look and gets you noticed. You will simply get better pictures because your energy is in a great place.

    Consider this shot of Lyon – http://www.bananasmodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Steven-Lyon-avril-2016-4.jpg

    Vs this shot – https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb22PMPFRT8/

  2. Update to this list:

    https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-133/#comment-280398

    1) Dropped Kinobody’s 3x/week warrior workout program for this 4x/week one:

    https://twitter.com/iEatOrganMeat/status/1131373672688758784

    and reading Shanahan’s Deep Nutrition as per recommendation in the thread linked above.

    2) Recently discovered Alexandria Fragrances (https://alexandriafragrances.com/) (high quality clones of $$$ fragrances for very affordable prices). and purchased one of their fragrances to replace my nearly empty 10ml bottle of Dior Sauvage. It’s good and no doubt it gets me compliments but its kinda too mainstream tbh.

    1. 2) Recently discovered Alexandria Fragrances (https://alexandriafragrances.com/) (high quality clones of $$$ fragrances for very affordable prices). and purchased one of their fragrances to replace my nearly empty 10ml bottle of Dior Sauvage. It’s good and no doubt it gets me compliments but its kinda too mainstream tbh.

      FWIW, I use my Uber driving to do extensive testing of different fragrances and basically see which ones get the most compliments from women, especially 20s

      Versace Eros (young girls love this one, it gets the most intense compliments)
      JPG Ultra Male (one woman said she wanted to eat me)
      Rasasi Hawas (one woman said it smelled like sex)
      YSL La Nuit Homme EDT
      CH Man Prive

  3. Ya I’ve sampled all those except Rasasi Hawas. None really stood out to me tbh. For me, its important to actually love the scent of the fragrance in addition to getting massive compliments. Only two to date to accomplish that were Creed Aventus and Dior Sauvage.

    My recommendation would be (if you don’t wanna buy samples online) to go to one of the department stores (Neiman Marcus, Bloomingdale’s) that lets you sample the fragrances of the top niche designer brands (Creed, Tom Ford, Parfum de Marly, By Kilian etc.), then go to AF and buy the clone(s) of the fragrance(s) you liked best.

    @blax

    Ultra Male (2015) is the enhanced version of Le Male, old timer 😉

    https://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/Jean-Paul-Gaultier/Ultra-Male-30947.html

  4. I don’t wear any perfume or cologne beyond whatever is in shampoo / soap I use.

    Some scents give me headaches.

    I have considered deodorant a few times but always wound up not buying any.

  5. Any UK guys see that BBC program/exposé about the ‘seduction industry’ last night? lol – A fair few of the UK PUA’s have had their channels deleted. And one of them has been charged with ‘harassment’ lol (for ‘plowing’ after she said she wasn’t interested, from what I gather!). Also lots of uproar about the age thing. Program kept talking about how Eddie from street attraction, in his mid 30’s, banged a 17 year old or something. Surely the journalist knows that the age of consent is 16 here, and we dont have any ‘age gap’ laws. Why keep bring it up? Also some ridicule of the methods after interviewing some of the girls who were approached, talking about how the PUA was doing ‘cold reads’ and teasing and routines etc and she was just thinking ‘This guy isn’t my type. How can I let him down easily and get away!!?” lol. Trying to undermine it all, I guess. Twitter was going mad after the program ended with angry feminists! hahaa – Will keep an eye on my regular channels to see if any more disappear

  6. @ford – not seen it, but it’s just part of overall attacks on masculinity/FI stuff that Rollo talks about a lot, so someone decided to dust off some old prejudices and half-baked truths about PUAs for a new special.

    It’s unfortunate for this guy (and the risks of running a PUA business and filming girls etc keep going up) but anyone approaching girls with even a modicum of social skills and awareness will be fine. And guys who are good will be more than fine – a good PUA just comes across as a cool, sociable guy – it’s not like girls can spot the strategies being applied in real time.

  7. J thanks for posting the link. I’m gonna watch it.

    As for pua bootcamps, my position is well known. Without watching the video, I expect to see some strange and ” creepy ” shit. Culum this ain’t about masculinity. Pua isn’t ” teaching ” masculinity. It might be about the FI though.

    Ive watched guys approach/game women my entire life, and I’ve never seen anyone like what bootcamps and programs and videos portray. Woo I’m still not completely certain what’s going on. Maybe I’ll hit you up with a ( no lay ) fr that I fucked around and never posted when it happened 4 months ago ( now it’s all fuzzy except for the dick grab ), lol.

  8. @Blax – we’ve been over variations of this before. The reason those PUA infields etc look weird and artificial (and many of them are absolutely), is because you’re watching the baby learn to walk. Watching those guys is like watching 12 month old baby taking his first steps and saying he’s shit at walking and doesn’t do it fluidly and naturally.

    Those of us who didn’t have the benefit of the masculine influences you had growing up had to learn it as adults. I’m past the awkward/weird stage – but I sure as hell remember what it was like to be there – and some of these guys started even further back than I did (I was a blue pill, shy nerd, but I was always socially normal and had friends and a social life – some of these guys started off in pretty socially weird territory to begin with).

    As they get better (many don’t), it will come across as much more “normal”.

    POst your FR though – “Blax FRs” are always interesting and I like reading them.

  9. PS – If you want to laugh at PUAs, try this video:

    I’m the guy who usually defends RSD’s PUA/Game coaching on here (especially after YaReally and Scray left), but FFS – Julien is teaching business now? RSD is running business coaching courses?? WTF?

  10. Keeping in mind that BBC special is the confirmation biased version (30 minutes hand picked for negative content from hours of footage), it sounded from the reporters accent that he was talking about pick-apart-ists, which is really what they do as in picking apart each interaction looking for flaws. This is silly as it dehumanizes the interactions and the pick-apart-ist can’t get a read on the vibe or chemistry happening between two people. They could literally be teaching boys to pickup chicks on the rag or something.

    I will have to blame tech for breaking society down to a level that requires classes for basic human interaction. At least and I mean the very least these guys are getting out and learning to relate on a personal level.

  11. @Palma – uncensorable (well, nothing is absolute, but very difficult to block or censor) blockchain based websites are on the way. Proofs of concept exist already. Ready for mainstream in 1-2 years max. Going to be interesting..

  12. “RSD is running business coaching courses?? WTF?”

    Remember I’ve mentioned before that the RSD guys go to seminars and bootcamps themselves, but that they have nothing to do with PUA? Well, they’re dropping the fourth wall. This is what they have always been about behind the PUA facade. They aren’t PUA community, they’re Internet marketing community. PUA was what they marketed, but as the market shifts, they will shift along with it.

  13. What I find strange is that i’ve seen DWLF’s infields and they were no different to the other coaches/PUA’s. In other words, I can’t imagine him doing anything especially uncalibrated. Didn’t seem like he massively lacked social skills or anything. (certainly no more than many other pro PUA’S I’ve watched)

    I think his issue was going for teenage girls in a fairly small city where he could get a reputation easily!!

    He looked like all other coaches i’ve seen, tbh.. ‘Hi, I had to stop you for a second. bla bla. You caught me eye. I like your clothes. You look like you do something creative (cold read.) bla bla bla (insert ‘tease’). How old are you? What are you doing today? (building some comfort and asking questions etc). You have an interetsing vibe about you bla bla bla” – Like, ‘im kind of baffled about waht exactly he done. I’d love to see the actual footage of the interactions that got him in trouble, but I assume they weren’t filmed?

  14. haha – yeah, now that everyone knows about ‘game’, I wonder if the remaining UK coaches who have somehow avoided the cull thus far will be able to capitalize and make an absolute shed load of money! (James Tusk, Kezia Nobel to name a few)

  15. will have to blame tech for breaking society down to a level that requires classes for basic human interaction. At least and I mean the very least these guys are getting out and learning to relate on a personal level.

    Wahoo this is my issue in total. I’ve asked for YEARS what percentage of guys that study ” pickup “( it’s not game….😁) are successful, and how is that success quantified. Strictly P in V?

    If you teach a guy to rush up to a stranger, or block their path, while reciting a basic bunch of shit, I cannot ever believe that a majority of males will be ” successful “. It doesn’t” teach ” human interaction. It doesn’t ” teach ” female nature. The way some of these pua guys talk about LMR is a.fucked up way to explain something to an unskilled dude.

    So what’s the success rate?

    Crickets.

    The prosecution rate will eventually outstrip the success rate. Give it more time – if pua even lasts.

    I’m all for helping guys get over any fear of approaching women, but I’m not with trying to encourage inexperienced guys trying to meet and fuck strange women in a matter of hours, pushing past ” resistance “. It’s an overall recipe for disaster and possible jail time.

  16. Morpheus

    Had a longer post got eaten.

    Anyhow

    “You mentioned traveling…I’ve actually thought about hitting hotel bars to maybe catch female business travelers who fit the “age appropriate” zone for me of 35-50 who are away from home. What has been your experience on that?”

    whoa…. what’s with that “age appropriate” thinking? Youngest hotel pull was a 22YO 8 stripper. Wasn’t even at the bar, but in the hall… So that mindest is a concern. Also I am getting a feeling you are looking for an “easy button”… Sure you will come across women who are alone at hotel bars but you are still going to need your solid Game – Open, Spike attraction – Build comfort – Have the right logistics – and seduce… How are your cold approach chops?

    On logistics – best bet is to have a room in the place, next have one nearby.

    Venues

    Tier 1 – best places are your 4.5 to 5 star hotels, your SLS, Peninsula, Mandarin Oriental, Four Seasons, Ritz Carltons and one off boutiques… These places cater to a much wealthier clientel, much more attractive women. This is where you run into women in the arts, media, fashion, entertainment and so on where a pretty face goes a long way. also BigLaw and BigFinance… same thing, pretty face and disciplined body. Also trophy wives out for a GNO. They may have a spa, they will have a good restaurant or two, a bar that may also be a “scene” or a rooftop. They are also places where locals will go to grab a drink or eat. There may be events, weddings, fundraisers, balls etc. so a vibrant mix of things going on beyond travelling for business.

    You have a few main strategies… earlier in the day or night you can hang in the lobby, near the bathroom or elevators and open women as they come or go or grab a seat to check their phones etc. later swing through the bars early in the evening, and if slow, go game at the places nearby with an eye towards working back towards your hotel. Finish up around 10PM or so, when the after dinner groups show up. This is when you are most likely to get that girl drinking a glass of white wine or campaign and checking her phone… “Just one before bed” is what her forebrain is thinking. Yes we all know her hindrbain is placing her out where things can “just happen”, but it is in argument with her forebrain. Which is why you need your game on point.

    There is no easy button.

    Positives – crowd, kinds of girls (more 7+)
    Negatives – Costs – room $500+ easy, drinks $20+

    Caution – lots of pros in these places, escorts. Just don’t go buying girls drinks… Usually you can tell they know the bar staff, in some places I’ve asked the bartender if he knew the girls – they know what’s up and will give you feedbnack. generally though the real pros get to the money part very fast, they don’t want to waste time.

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/6xqfjI7RQACiKcy4FV1RV5q1zTo=/0x0:5335×3557/1200×0/filters:focal(0x0:5335×3557):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7725743/CUT_Lounge_Interior.0.jpeg

    https://isdb.pw/upload7/5501331470/2082323279053628936.jpg

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B3VxxG7pa-h/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bzru7zChcji/

    The Langham in River North is an example… Also a great neighborhood.

    Con’t.

  17. whoa…. what’s with that “age appropriate” thinking? Youngest hotel pull was a 22YO 8 stripper. Wasn’t even at the bar, but in the hall… So that mindest is a concern. Also I am getting a feeling you are looking for an “easy button”… Sure you will come across women who are alone at hotel bars but you are still going to need your solid Game – Open, Spike attraction – Build comfort – Have the right logistics – and seduce… How are your cold approach chops?

    Thanks Sentient,

    So…I was with my ex-wife from the very beginning of 2006 when I was 32 until 2017. After that, I met a woman on POF who also happened to be an old high school classmate and it literally fell right into my lap, I basically did zero work or effort on her, that lasted a year until this past April, that’s when I got active on the apps. You may be right on your assessment of the “easy button”…TBH I’ve never really worked that hard for what I got, it was more just show up, and even after I started learning game in 2005, it was always more about just making sure I wasn’t running anti-game. I probably missed out on a ton of opportunities over the years, but TBH my rejection rate is super low probably because I’ve always waited for pretty darn STRONG signs that the woman is attracted before making any kind of move or approach. So my purely “cold approach” skills are probably pretty lacking. Even in my club/bar days, my primary strategy was to just walk the place, and make mental notes of the girls who looked at me and smiled or something like that, and then eventually I would approach them.

    Truthfully, my initial thought on reeentry to “active dating” was that 40-45 age segment was going to easy pickings, and I would clean up on the apps in that age group. So far, that has not been the case. I’ve gotten more interest, flirtation, etc. from 20s age women while I drive them doing Uber…I had one last week tip me $10 on a $5 ride because I was “kinda hot” as she put it. So yeah, I guess I was trying to identify which lake had the largest quantity of easy fish to catch and I guess I intuitively just expected it would be 40-45, 40-50. One thing I’ve come to believe is that women in 40-50 who actually look 7+ are in tremendous demand because they are in such short supply, most 40-50 have at least 30+ extra pounds of bodyfat from attractive, and faces are wrinkled as fuck.

    I’m thinking…perhaps it will be good for me to challenge myself and actually open women who haven’t shown even the slightest interest first because maybe it will force me to develop skills I don’t have enough of. FWIW, you’ll note I put “age appropriate” in quotes…I really don’t believe in that nonsense, I’ve got no moral qualms fucking an 18 year old, I just thought landing a decent looking 44 year old would be orders of magnitude easier than a “hot” 25 year old. Now, I’m not so sure that is true although I’m not 100% certain wide. Theoretically, an old starter home should be much cheaper than a mansion.

  18. Morpheus

    Con’t.

    Tier 2

    These are your nicer 3.5-4 star traditional “road warrior” corporate stay points places, usually in a CBD. The top offerings of Marriott, Hyatt, Westin, Hilton etc. (not their luxe brands or their lower priced suites, expresses etc.). Here is where you run into the 6-7 women, the girls just starting corporate careers and the mid level managers. Lot of 35-45 married women. Insurance, tech, accounting, markleting. Cube farm stuff. These places don’t have weddings and cool events, but they do have conferences and conventions. So you may see a lot of people with name tags on milling about. This introduces ‘social circle” dynamics, you have to be mindful of her peers and colleagues. They will also cockblock…

    Interestingly, I also find this is where direct competition is greater on a non conference night as well. You have a lot of Tumi totin’ sales warrior types in their cheap blazers and shoes… all think they have the gift of gab and try and run some game. Very often the target will have two or three of these guys around. So you need to be able to handle mixed sets and some amogging. Generally in the CBD things close a little earlier around the hotel so the bar is apt to be livelier. Sometimes these places can be sausage fests though which can be off putting.

    Same structure to the night as Tier 1, except can start and end earlier.

    Pros – cheaper, more crowded
    Cons – lower quality, more direct comp.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Buw0y5-HACc/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Brc_n4YnvIu/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BvFhIssjiie/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BetsCIPg0bo/

    Con’t.

  19. Thanks for the hotel specific info! Much appreciated

    The Langham in River North is an example… Also a great neighborhood.

    Well, just so happens this is my neck of the woods so to speak, if you are regularly in the area maybe we could meet up sometimes. My e-mail is morpheus7447@gmail.com

  20. Morpheus

    “I’m thinking…perhaps it will be good for me to challenge myself and actually open women who haven’t shown even the slightest interest first because maybe it will force me to develop skills I don’t have enough of.”

    Yes you will need to develop this. It’s not often that women,all alone in a hotel bar will be very overt with IOI’s. Them just being there is basically an approach invite.

    But… they will have buffers… Phones for sure. You need to work on “phone destroyer’ game. I like to use “how are the cat videos tonight?” and similar lines. Your probably going to have to deal with this.

    Also, you will need to be comfortable closing space. For example in a semi empty bar where do you sit? she’s over there in the corner or 5 or 6 stools away? Do you go right up and sit next to her.

    How are you at opening when the bartender or the guy next to her is listening? How are you are joining a mixed set and taking over the conversation?

    etc. etc.

    Trying to find an old FR – first game aware pull was hotel bar. In the meantime Example 5 here was in a hotel.

    https://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/sentients-dynamic-passionate-authentic-framework/

  21. Blax,”The prosecution rate will eventually outstrip the success rate.”

    LMAO,stop it man just stop it. your hurting my grin worse than shrooms.

    There needs to be a balance,not egalitarian or equal yet still human. This dehumanizing of others directly effects the self.

  22. Going to try and answer and address numerous comments here:

    PlatonicHB is married to both “boring” and “asshole”. The marriage is sexless, they sleep in separate rooms, she encourages him to go out and meet women and have affairs, she could care less. She stays in the marriage for a number of financial and logistical reasons most of which relate to her kids and the school system. She plans on divorcing “asshole” as soon as the youngest hits a certain age. At the time she reached out to me, she had a guy she was regularly fucking, that ended, and not long after she had another guy she was fucking, that also ended, right now she is not fucking anyone…I have no reason to think she is lying to me, we are extremely candid with each other. She is very sexual, likes sex, and we talk a lot about sex, especially most recently over last couple of months.

    We’ve always had an underlying “flirtatious vibe” but for most of the time, it was clear to me, it was just playful flirting, and not really any “hey, the thought of fucking you has crossed my mind”…it’s only been very recently where I sensed a shift especially this talk from her about finding “a me” in terms of what I was looking for in a sex primary relationship. FWIW, I haven’t seen her in person for roughly 10 months and I am down another 25 pounds from when I last saw her.

    I realize some may not get it, but honestly I’m not desperate to fuck her, it is really not that big a deal. I just fucked a new chick last week on date 2 (that is who is the subject of our exchange and that is another story). I meant it when I said the world is full of women to fuck, but true friends who will DROP EVERYTHING to talk to you at 2AM for an hour are a rarity. What does she get out of it? I don’t know…TBH I think she sees herself as a “Helper” and so she gets some kind of mental benefit from helping, counseling, and advising people. As far as branch swinging, as I said, she isn’t leaving her husband until youngest kid hits certain age, she was already fucking two other dudes that she had no interest in behind fucking. I’m certainly in no position to be a resource provider and she knows it, so if she is interested in me, it would only be as serviceable cock, not the next guy to be in a relationship/marriage with.

    Here is our text exchange from yesterday…again it feels to me like she is just being more direct. The background context is I was asking her opinion and advice regarding the woman I had just banged, she made a grammatical error, and I decided to be an “asshole” lol and correct her:

    https://imgur.com/a/7R8sYWL

    So on a scale of 1-10, how much of a greenlight am I getting here???

    FWIW, we’ve had hundreds and hundreds of hours of the most candid, person revealing conversations you can imagine over the last 2.5 years. I don’t need to build even an iota of comfort, I’ve already got that covered and then some…the million dollar question is this new texting just playful flirting or “hey, I have thought about fucking you”.

    We are supposed to meet in person very soon once her schedule frees up, by then I think I have got to figure out how to play it, especially physical/kino stuff early in that meeting. She is a hugger, and so that will be totally normal when we first see each other, she also usually compliments from whatever fragrance I am wearing (you smell awesome or something like that) so that will be normal so none of that can be taken as indicators of the next level, I’m thinking she might do something different in terms of more aggressive kino to send me a message.

    The background context of our friendship is one where she does a lot of advice giving…so what I’ve considered doing is asking for her advice on a situation for a “friend” of mine who is friends with a woman who he thinks might be interested in more, and what she thinks he should do. She is smart enough to realize I am referring to us, gives us both plausible deniability, and avoids any awkwardness if I misreading her sexual interest, but it gives her a crystal clear opportunity to send a flashing neon green light if she wants to advise me to advise my “friend” to go for it.

  23. Morpheous

    Don’t need to read the texts… 10/10 from this

    right now she is not fucking anyone…I have no reason to think she is lying to me, we are extremely candid with each other. She is very sexual, likes sex, and we talk a lot about sex, especially most recently over last couple of months.

  24. “FWIW, we’ve had hundreds and hundreds of hours of the most candid, person revealing conversations you can imagine over the last 2.5 years”

    BFF!!!!! (frantically waving fingers over face)

  25. “What their losing their shit over is men have found a way of fooling them.

    The male equivalent of make up and a boob job.

    “What their losing their shit over is men have found a way of fooling them.

    The male equivalent of make up and a boob job while still remaining insecure boys who won’t enforce their boundaries–unattractive after the spiked emotions simmer down.”

    fify

    Women won’t lose their shit over fucking men who are truly masculine.

  26. Morpheus, ya what Palma said, try this keno, when she goes for the hug slide your hands down and pull her ass cheeks apart while you tongue fuck her ear.

    She has set herself up as your female advisor I don’t need one personally but had one once and after a few months I finally banged her and then she wanted it all the time. Turns out all her advice was solipsistic and she would listen till she heard what she wanted and pounce. When I told her it wasn’t serious she got all but hurt yet she still calls from time to time for “mechanical” advice, even hired me as a consultant and went for a quickie bang while her live in was down at the shop while she was writing me a check.

  27. ASD,

    Context bro LOL,

    I added that part because someone up thread had suggested running the method on her that INCLUDES comfort building as well as part of the stages…my point in including that was because building comfort with her is unnecessary at this point and not going to be a determining factor in whether I bang her or not.

  28. Scribs said up thread somewhere that he didn’t understand why men marry again, and it is precisely this situation, you’ll fall in, think “she’s different” and put a ring on it before you’ve completed your RP journey so you’ll make all the same mistakes you’ve made twice before.

    That’s the risk here

    Palma,

    Duly noted, and you are right…I need to be aware of my weaknesses…I’m prone to be a “rescuer” and believe this is the “right girl” and so I need to be aware of those tendencies. After my first wife was my “mistake”, my second wife was “the one”…well, she turned out to be a “mistake” too, so I probably have some proclivity to find some third girl that converts me to that type of thinking, hopefully I’m more aware this time. I think in between first and second wife, and starting to learn Game and Red Pill, there was a part of me that still held onto the “soulmate” myth, and I lost sight of meeting the “burden of performance” and that ended up with wife 2 leaving. Now to be honest, wife 2 let herself go as well…she went from being a competing figure model to a fat fuck, and sex with her went to hell…the entire relationship deteriorated but I really did think of us as best friends so it was a shock when she left and how she did it.

    I don’t have children, and I’m probably running out the clock here at 45 but only way i can see remarrying is if I really wanted kids, and met a late 20s, early 30s type, but remarrying a 40something with her own brood of kids by another man, NEVER, I’m not that stupid lol.

  29. Palma,

    Ha, maybe that is the kick in the ass I need lol. Her schedule slows up in a few weeks, so I am going to try and arrange our meetup ASAP…I’m going to use the next weeks to ramp up the sexual tension in our messaging…and then we’ll see how it plays out.

  30. @Morpheus

    Thanks Sentient,

    So…I was with my ex-wife from the very beginning of 2006 when I was 32 until 2017. After that, I met a woman on POF who also happened to be an old high school classmate and it literally fell right into my lap, I basically did zero work or effort on her, that lasted a year until this past April, that’s when I got active on the apps. You may be right on your assessment of the “easy button”…TBH I’ve never really worked that hard for what I got, it was more just show up, and even after I started learning game in 2005, it was always more about just making sure I wasn’t running anti-game. I probably missed out on a ton of opportunities over the years, but TBH my rejection rate is super low probably because I’ve always waited for pretty darn STRONG signs that the woman is attracted before making any kind of move or approach. So my purely “cold approach” skills are probably pretty lacking. Even in my club/bar days, my primary strategy was to just walk the place, and make mental notes of the girls who looked at me and smiled or something like that, and then eventually I would approach them.

    good self-assessment… this is the first step to ‘better’…

    Truthfully, my initial thought on reeentry to “active dating” was that 40-45 age segment was going to easy pickings,

    lol… stop it you’re killin’ me!!!…lol

    unless you are slingin’ beta provider game and just want to step into that role, these are the hardest targets… bc they are running out of time… and even (especially!) if they are ‘still hot’… they NEED (<—- note that well…) to consolidate on ‘resources’ before they actually run out of time…

    to think otherwise is BP/FI… but cheer up, you are two steps better than you were last week… and you’ll be two steps more next week…

    and I would clean up on the apps in that age group. So far, that has not been the case.

    see above…

    I’ve gotten more interest, flirtation, etc. from 20s age women while I drive them doing Uber…I had one last week tip me $10 on a $5 ride because I was “kinda hot” as she put it.

    you could follow these up, ya know…lol

    girl: here’s some money bc you’re kinda hot
    you: hey, thanks. i get that a lot… if you want to hang out some time, i’m thinking of meeting some friends at xxx club this friday night (or whereever)… there’s this band i want to hear YYY so i’ll probably be there if you want to stop by… they start their first set around 9…
    girl: cool…

    if nothing else, it’s a good opportunity for you to practice…

    So yeah, I guess I was trying to identify which lake had the largest quantity of easy fish to catch and I guess I intuitively just expected it would be 40-45, 40-50.

    that’s what you (as a beta provider) are SUPPOSED to think…lol… @Rollo has several OPs on that very topic…lol

    One thing I’ve come to believe is that women in 40-50 who actually look 7+ are in tremendous demand because they are in such short supply,

    girls try to tell you sh*t that’s not true all the time…lol…

    they ARE ‘in demand’ from beta providers… for ‘dating/commitment’… they DON’T really get all that much action from AF studs… mostly bc there are not really all that many of those men around anywhere…lol… and the ones that are can focus on the younger girls… plus that whole NEED ‘resources’ thing…

    most 40-50 have at least 30+ extra pounds of bodyfat from attractive, and faces are wrinkled as fuck.

    true… or worse… and they are all still holding out for ‘prince charming’…

    but mostly that’s an ego defense against reality… bc when they are ready to ‘settle’ for the guys they could attract at 40, they are now 43… and when they are ready to settle for the guys they could attract when they were 43, they are 47… etc… and the men that would have been thrilled to have her 5 years ago, have now found TRM/MGTOW/etc… and are over it…lol…

    sooo…. it’s not happening…

    I’m thinking…perhaps it will be good for me to challenge myself and actually open women who haven’t shown even the slightest interest first because maybe it will force me to develop skills I don’t have enough of.

    true… just talk to any and all girls you naturally meet during the day… that’s a great start…

    FWIW, you’ll note I put “age appropriate” in quotes…I really don’t believe in that nonsense, I’ve got no moral qualms fucking an 18 year old, I just thought landing a decent looking 44 year old would be orders of magnitude easier than a “hot” 25 year old.

    nope… do you even TRM, bro?…lol

    Now, I’m not so sure that is true although I’m not 100% certain wide.

    you should be… and if you open your eyes (put your RP glasses on) and look around you, you’ll see this for yourself…

    Theoretically, an old starter home should be much cheaper than a mansion.

    you mean that money pit with all those mold problems and foundation damage?… v. that new custom construction with maintenance-free everything?…

    lol…

    Going to try and answer and address numerous comments here:

    PlatonicHB is married to both “boring” and “asshole”. The marriage is sexless, they sleep in separate rooms, she encourages him to go out and meet women and have affairs, she could care less.

    he’s obviously not doing that, or her interest would be peaked…lol

    She stays in the marriage for a number of financial and logistical reasons most of which relate to her kids and the school system.

    so rationalizes her forebrain…lol

    She plans on divorcing “asshole” as soon as the youngest hits a certain age. she finds a branch to swing to. At the time she reached out to me, she had a guy she was regularly fucking, that ended, and not long after she had another guy she was fucking, that also ended, right now she is not fucking anyone…

    with two failed branches, the third times the charm…lol

    I have no reason to think she is lying to me,

    she’s not… everything she tells you IS her reality… it’s up to you to put that RP lens on your situ to figure out the actual dynamic…

    we are extremely candid with each other. She is very sexual, likes sex, and we talk a lot about sex, especially most recently over last couple of months.

    just to follow up on @Sentient… that’s really all you need to know…lol… she’s talking about sex with you = she wants to f*k… YOU…lol

    We’ve always had an underlying “flirtatious vibe” but for most of the time, it was clear to me, it was just playful flirting, and not really any “hey, the thought of fucking you has crossed my mind”…

    hey, everybody! look at the BP on Morpheus!…lol

    it’s only been very recently where I sensed a shift especially this talk from her about finding “a me” in terms of what I was looking for in a sex primary relationship.

    you mean about the same amount of time you’ve been getting RP’d?…lol

    FWIW, I haven’t seen her in person for roughly 10 months and I am down another 25 pounds from when I last saw her.

    yikes!… (and, yes, that’s my new word for the week…lol)… girls can change a LOT in almost a year when they’re 46… you better arrange a meet before you get your hopes up tooo much…lol

    I realize some may not get it, but honestly I’m not desperate to fuck her, it is really not that big a deal.

    good to hear that… maybe for you, but that’s not true for her… she’s likely going up propose a meet very soon… branch-swings don’t happen before you get a taste of the goods…lol

    I just fucked a new chick last week on date 2 (that is who is the subject of our exchange and that is another story). I meant it when I said the world is full of women to fuck, but true friends who will DROP EVERYTHING to talk to you at 2AM for an hour are a rarity. What does she get out of it? I don’t know…

    lol…

    TBH I think she sees herself as a “Helper” and so she gets some kind of mental benefit from helping, counseling, and advising people.

    maybe…

    but she has a hind-brain that’s working its magic just like all those other girls…lol… and that hind-brain is only concerned with one thing – in service of the egg… (or her survival into old age)… really that’s all it cares about… getting the best genetics possible in her situ… and then raising the offspring to ‘old enough’… then starting over until she’s too old… typically in her 40/50s… where she starts to focus on her old age situ…

    and her hind-brain works its magic without HER knowledge… she just gets a bunch of feelings that lead her to do/say sh*t…

    As far as branch swinging, as I said, she isn’t leaving her husband until youngest kid hits certain age, she was already fucking two other dudes that she had no interest in behind fucking.

    she even believes that’s true… and will until her feelings change…lol

    I’m certainly in no position to be a resource provider and she knows it, so if she is interested in me, it would only be as serviceable cock, not the next guy to be in a relationship/marriage with.

    maybe… but the way to bet is based on all those other non-unicorn situations…lol… and don’t discount your ‘attractiveness’ if you are the only game in town…lol

    note – here is my summary of your ‘dilemma’…

    you have developed this ‘friend-girl’ who you can talk to… and who ‘supports’ you… and you are worried that if you bang her, that that will stop, right?… why is THAT (the ‘stopping’) suppose to happen?… bc if you bang a girl that is giving you ‘support’ that means you are in a ‘relationship’, right?… even if it is a ONS/fb/fwb situ… right?… and THAT’s what’s stopping you, right?… bc you don’t want to lose that support… but you don’t want that commitment either..

    really feeel that FI hand on your shoulder…

    Here is our text exchange from yesterday…again it feels to me like she is just being more direct. The background context is I was asking her opinion and advice regarding the woman I had just banged, she made a grammatical error, and I decided to be an “asshole” lol and correct her:

    https://imgur.com/a/7R8sYWL

    lol…

    sooo, you don’t think her telling you that ‘some of the pulling away wasn’t bc she was sick’… AND to ‘be cautious’… wasn’t trying to warn you off that other girl and get you onto a branch-swing track?…lol… i only read two lines, and i got THAT much…lol

    So on a scale of 1-10, how much of a greenlight am I getting here???

    it goes to ’11’…

    lol… just arrange a meet and do it…

    FWIW, we’ve had hundreds and hundreds of hours of the most candid, person revealing conversations you can imagine over the last 2.5 years.

    yes, buuut… did YOU have your handy cat-o-nese translator going throughout that whole time?…lol…

    this situ is a classic ‘plan B’ branch-swing in motion… @Rollo has that topic on a couple OPs somewhere…lol

    I don’t need to build even an iota of comfort, I’ve already got that covered and then some…the million dollar question is this new texting just playful flirting or “hey, I have thought about fucking you”.

    don’t over-think this… you BP is getting in the way…lol…

    post a FR…

    We are supposed to meet in person very soon once her schedule frees up, by then I think I have got to figure out how to play it, especially physical/kino stuff early in that meeting.

    lol… don’t over-think it… your BP is showing… just take her hand and lead her whereever and do it… THAT will help you turn around all that beta you’ve built up from not doing her two years ago…lol

    She is a hugger, and so that will be totally normal when we first see each other, she also usually compliments from whatever fragrance I am wearing (you smell awesome or something like that) so that will be normal so none of that can be taken as indicators of the next level, I’m thinking she might do something different in terms of more aggressive kino to send me a message.

    she’s ALREADY sent you 2 1/2 years worth…lol… what more do your need?… a ring?…lol

    The background context of our friendship is one where she does a lot of advice giving…

    i’m guessing, but mostly it was probably subtly warning you off other girls…lol

    so what I’ve considered doing is asking for her advice on a situation for a “friend” of mine who is friends with a woman who he thinks might be interested in more, and what she thinks he should do.

    FI in play…

    She is smart enough to realize I am referring to us, gives us both plausible deniability,

    FI in play…

    and avoids any awkwardness if I misreading her sexual interest,

    really feeel that hand on your shoulder…lol

    but it gives her a crystal clear opportunity

    ‘her’… and whose frame is this, class?…

    to send a flashing neon green light if she wants to advise me to advise my “friend” to go for it.

    lol… she already has… and you not ‘just getting it’ is working against you…

    but you can turn it around… you just have to assume the sale… and pass that token sh* test that pops up bc ‘she’s not that kind of girl’…lol… and you’re golden… but don’t forget to rubber up… it’s unlikely, but 46 is still possible…

    good luck!

  31. @Palmasailor

    @Morpheus

    Your problem is gonna be that she’s going to want to move in with you and because you’ve come out of a shit situation and she’s gonna fuck you til you can’t walk there’s a big risk you’ll get blinded by the hole and fall into exactly the same shit you’ve just got yourself out of.

    Bang her but avoid “boyfriend like activities”.

    Scribs said up thread somewhere that he didn’t understand why men marry again, and it is precisely this situation, you’ll fall in, think “she’s different” and put a ring on it before you’ve completed your RP journey so you’ll make all the same mistakes you’ve made twice before.

    That’s the risk here..

    this…

    good luck!

  32. Gang, quick Field Report with some events in the last couple of weeks I’ve been meanign to write about – just to illustrate/think through a couple of points:

    First. In a coffee shop line – Cute HB7 mid 20s walking out past me (maybe 7.5 even – quite eyecatching) – about 6-10 feet away from me, eyes lock on and we have solid EC – it was under a second but definitely noticeable. Then (the reason I mention it), as she walks past me she jostles my arm. It wasn’t crowded, there was plenty of space on the other side, and it wasn’t a light touch – not hard enough to push my arm out of position but way beyond “lightly brushing past”.

    To me that’s an IOI – mild, but more like an invitation. But unfortunately couldn’t see a “path to daylight” as HABD would put it to open her – she was just gone the next couple of seconds.

    Second. Immediately after this as I walked out with my coffee and went up the escalator, cute blonde HB6.5ish, late 20s coming the opposite way, saw me checking her out and actually gave me a smile and started playing with her hair (no EC). Again, couldn’t see path to daylight – she was obviously with a work colleague and going the opposite way (and even if she had been alone, anything short of a direct approach would have been too weird).

    Third. I’m in the audience for a panel at some professional conference. One of the panelists is a woman I knew vaguely in college (we had common friends, met a couple of times at parties, flirted a bit, I got her number and I think we talked 1-2 times on the phone but never dated – in fact, now that I think about it she must have really liked beta nerd me back then – if I remember right, the party where I met her/got her number, she absolutely ignored some guy who was a DJ in college trying to hit on her to talk to me – and she was the cutest girl at that party). She was a cute brunette 7 then, even now solid 6+. It has been like 18-19 years though. The only reason I remember all this is because fucking up with her was one of the series of “beta fuckups” that led me to game – one of the failures that gave me motivation and stuck in my mind. Otherwise I have no reason to remember interactions that led nowhere from so long ago.

    But we’ve had ZERO contact for 18 years (except that about 5-6 years ago she added me as a contact on Linkedin because we are in the same industry, so I see her progress updates sometimes – I never post anything to Linkedin so she can’t have seen any of mine). Also, we briefly overlapped at a huge Fortune 500 employer in the same city but different departments over a decade ago. I don’t think we ever even spoke but I remember seeing her in the office a couple times over a decade ago.

    The point I’m making is she had no reason to remember me from a few conversations 18 years ago.

    So I’d seen her name on the list of panelists and I turned up, and decided there was no mileage in going up to her and trying to remind her of our earlier acquaintance – just comes across as needy.

    I asked some good questions at the panel (I Had two audience members come and tell me afterwards), and immediately after, I went to speak to one of the other panelists to ask if I could get involved with some industry initiatives. As I’m speaking to her, the old College Girl literally comes up behind me and is talking over my shoulder: “I think we know each other”. I actually ignored her – not deliberately but because I was literally midsentence – and then she repeated herself as I finished my sentence and turned around.

    I pretended not to remember her and looked at her politely. She was forced to ask my name and I told her and then she said “Did you go to [college]?” and I was like “yeah! Did you go there too?” and she was like “Yes! We’ve met before, we knew each other at [college]!”. And then I put her out of her misery and deliberately opened my eyes wide and went “Oh yeah…I remember now..you were [X]’s friend!”. And then we were off – 10 minutes of reminiscing about college, catching up on career paths, common friends etc (STRONG, locked in eye contact here, and distance between us wasn’t super close – I couldn’t have kissed her – but definitely closer than “polite” distance – a half step forward would have put me in kissing range – but wonder if I’m reading too much into this).

    At one point she said “let me see if I remember – your major was in [blah] [CORRECT!] and then you moved to [PLACE] after college [CORRECT, but she was off by several years – she was talking about my move to the Small Town that I mention here sometimes – that was quite a while later).

    So at the end of that, she asked me for my number and sent me a text to make sure I had her number (and just as we were finishing, the other panelist came up and she was telling her that we actually used to know each other 18 years ago etc..) and then I said bye and left.

    Anyway, I am not entirely sure what to make of all of that interaction or fully understand all the dynamics or how much of what she told me was true, but it was interesting experience. I don’t really want to sleep with her (she’s cute enough physically, but she’s WAY more useful to me professionally and I can sleep with other women – not sure how to leverage her professionally though – she’s already an established part of this industry initiative I’m joining so she could really help get me fully onboard into the “inner circle” if she wanted but I’m not sure how to go about it).

  33. PS – I should add that of course I know she was attracted to me and there was chemistry between us (both today and 18 years ago) – but I’m not sure what/how much to read into her remembering me etc.

    In fact I just remembered now as I type this – at one point during the conversation she even said something like “I couldn’t even concentrate on the questions being asked to the panel even though I had to answer them..I saw you and thought “I know him from somewhere” and then I just kept going back in my head and thinking of all my friends and history over the years till I remembered”

  34. One final PS – also remembered she is married and never mentioned her husband. It was all “I moved from City A to City B”, etc not “We”. No kids (I think) in late 30s. It only came up when she said something like “I…got married…but that’s not why I changed my name..I just did it because of visa hassles when moving abroad” and that’s it.

  35. Morpheus

    Just be sure and pull that pan OFF the flame when you pour in the brandy.

    Culum

    All right… some good progress. Let’s hit the “next steps”…

    Cute HB7 mid 20s walking out past me (maybe 7.5 even – quite eyecatching) – about 6-10 feet away from me, eyes lock on and we have solid EC – it was under a second but definitely noticeable. Then (the reason I mention it), as she walks past me she jostles my arm. It wasn’t crowded, there was plenty of space on the other side, and it wasn’t a light touch – not hard enough to push my arm out of position but way beyond “lightly brushing past”.

    To me that’s an IOI – mild, but more like an invitation. But unfortunately couldn’t see a “path to daylight” as HABD would put it to open her – she was just gone the next couple of seconds.

    Next step… “Hey!” just something to get her attention. You are allowed to say “hey”…

    Second. Immediately after this as I walked out with my coffee and went up the escalator, cute blonde HB6.5ish, late 20s coming the opposite way, saw me checking her out and actually gave me a smile and started playing with her hair (no EC). Again, couldn’t see path to daylight – she was obviously with a work colleague and going the opposite way (and even if she had been alone, anything short of a direct approach would have been too weird).

    Next step… Head nod, or a smirk, or a wave… acknowledge what is going on. even if you can’t ‘act” on it. train that brain to RESPOND to input. Even a wink and a finger gun… It’s OK to give her a little laugh as she goes about her day. Or stick your tongue out “playfully”…

    More training. Train to respond to input. You been training martial arts no???? This stuff will also set your brain into game mode, so for the NEXT iteration you are primed and ready…

    That stuff about “weird” etc. Hit IT HABD!!!

    Get your mindset to be whenever you are leaving your house, IT can happen. Be primed. Be open to receiving IOI’s and the DOING SOMETHING with it. It’s OK if it’s just two people passing each other for a few seconds and having a smile and nothing else comes of it. There is no failure except the failure to act. Start to ACT.

    Conference Girl

    The point I’m making is she had no reason to remember me from a few conversations 18 years ago.

    HABD will have a field day with this… smh DO NOT believe the hype. This is straight FI BS. She gave you her number in college, she thought of banging you. OF COURSE she remembers you (especially since you are both nerds, it’s not like she was on tour with RATT etc…).

    There was an episode of SATC I remember… Samantha and her friend ran into some dude she knew. She fakes not knowing him. he goes through the steps, we met at XYZ party? NO. We walked back to your place over the Brooklyn Bridge? NOPE Really? we had sex on the bridge??? No… After he leaves befuddled her friend is like, you don’t remember him? She says something like “a guy leaves a girder mark on your back, off course you remember him. But I’m not going to let him know that” or words to that effect…

    IT IS A GAME THEY PLAY TO GET THE UPPER HAND…

    “As I’m speaking to her, the old College Girl literally comes up behind me and is talking over my shoulder: “I think we know each other”. I actually ignored her – not deliberately but because I was literally midsentence – and then she repeated herself as I finished my sentence and turned around.

    I pretended not to remember her and looked at her politely. She was forced to ask my name and I told her and then she said “Did you go to [college]?” and I was like “yeah! Did you go there too?” and she was like “Yes! We’ve met before, we knew each other at [college]!”. And then I put her out of her misery and deliberately opened my eyes wide and went “Oh yeah…I remember now..you were [X]’s friend!”. And then we were off –”

    LOL, so kudos to you for playing it back… You have to realize what a massive DHV this was… Talking to another woman and then not falling into her trap… Note how she phrases it “I think we know each other”… She’s leaving it to you to take the bait… lol she KNEW exactly who you were all along…

    IT’S OK TO MAKE HER UNCOMFORTABLE… Heartiste wrote, “it is in the defensive crouch that tingles are born…”.

    “At one point she said “let me see if I remember – your major was in [blah] [CORRECT!] and then you moved to [PLACE] after college [CORRECT, but she was off by several years – she was talking about my move to the Small Town that I mention here sometimes “

    Oh wait, what’s this… PROOF she knew exactly who you were… lol Also massive IOIs…

    So at the end of that, she asked me for my number and sent me a text to make sure I had her number…

    Anyway, I am not entirely sure what to make of all of that interaction or fully understand all the dynamics…

    what to make of it? This is a direct catonese “CALL ME FOR A DRINK LATER AND FUCK ME LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE 18 YEARS AGO”… You text her later to meet you for a drink….

    I don’t really want to sleep with her (she’s cute enough physically, but she’s WAY more useful to me professionally and I can sleep with other women – not sure how to leverage her professionally though – she’s already an established part of this industry initiative I’m joining so she could really help get me fully onboard into the “inner circle” if she wanted but I’m not sure how to go about it).

    Culum – you can have BOTH… It’s OK. In fact, it’s a dirty secret… A lot of the professional situations also involve banging. How much more helpful could she be AFTER you’ve boned her senseless… Don’t believe the hype!

    And after a drink, when you’ve made out a little and are in teh sex location… you blow her mind when you give her that last bit of comfort… In ambrace, hands running over her, look into her eyes “heh… you know I was just kidding earlier. I remembered you. I’ve thought of fucking you a dozen times since back then”

    BOOOOOM!!!! Mind blown…

  36. Gratuitous pre workout RATT video…

    btw – since the death of the music vid, what are all those models doing these days…?

  37. @Culum

    lol… do you even TRM, bro?…lol

    Gang, quick Field Report with some events in the last couple of weeks I’ve been meanign to write about – just to illustrate/think through a couple of points:

    First. In a coffee shop line – Cute HB7 mid 20s walking out past me (maybe 7.5 even – quite eyecatching) – about 6-10 feet away from me, eyes lock on and we have solid EC – it was under a second but definitely noticeable. Then (the reason I mention it), as she walks past me she jostles my arm. It wasn’t crowded, there was plenty of space on the other side, and it wasn’t a light touch – not hard enough to push my arm out of position but way beyond “lightly brushing past”.

    To me that’s an IOI – mild, but more like an invitation. But unfortunately couldn’t see a “path to daylight” as HABD would put it to open her – she was just gone the next couple of seconds.

    see, this is what happens when you are ‘blitz’-prone… v AF all the time…

    when you are ‘on all the time’ (internalize your awesomeness = AF) you can react fast enough in real time to meet girls…lol… when you are ‘blitzing’ you need to think your way through and you miss those serendipitous moments…

    [Culum locks eyes with girl]

    girl: (hindbrain—->){wow!… i haven’t had a guy hold eye contact with my girl in two years!!!… quick! Hamster! wake UP!!! WAKE UP!!! and DO SOMETHING!!!!…ANYTHING!!!!!….}
    girl: (hamster—>) {huh?…what?… oh, yeah… [throws elbow at Culum…]
    girl: (hindbrain—>) {what the f*k was that?…}
    girl: (hamster—>) {sorry, it was all i had on the short notice… come on, dude!… pleeeease follow up…pleeease follow up… just do ANYTHING and me and hindbrain will tell our girl that whatever you do is COURAGEOUS… or BOLD… or SOMETHING great… come on!… even chase her down… trip her… anything!…}

    [Culum not moving… or doing anything…]

    girl: (hindbrain—>) {he’s not moving… or DOING anything…}
    girl: (hamster—>) {yeah… he should be doing SOMETHING… looks like the dude is ‘thinking’… WTF!… i always thought our girl was really cute…}
    girl: (hindbrain—>) {she IS… in fact, she’s striking!… and most dudes are so lame they can’t even MAKE eye contact with her… much less HOLD eye contact…}
    girl: (hamster—>) {wtf is his problem?… i mean i know throwing an elbow is sort of lame… and sorry about that, i didn’t have much time to react… but still… when you think about it, it’s actually pretty blatant for an IOI…}
    girl: (hindbrain—>) {yeah, it was… i suppose you could have had her grab his c*ck… but THAT seems like it’s a little bit tooo much… but maybe not, given the results…}
    girl: (hamster—>) {hey!… i may be slutty, but i’m not THAT slutty…}
    girl: (hindbrain—>) [rolling her eyes…] {if you say so… oh, well… at least WE tried… let’s just tell her that the coffee was REALLY good and suggest that she come back here tomorrow to get another round… then we can see if he’s around… you know, just in case…}
    girl: (hamster—>) {good idea… he actually held eye contact with her?… really?…}
    girl: (hindbrain—>) {yeah he did!… it was AMAZING… i haven’t a had a thrill like that in years… literally…}
    girl: (hamster—>) {shit!… i always miss the good stuff…}

    lol… but not kidding…

    Second. Immediately after this as I walked out with my coffee and went up the escalator, cute blonde HB6.5ish, late 20s coming the opposite way, saw me checking her out and actually gave me a smile and started playing with her hair (no EC). Again, couldn’t see path to daylight – she was obviously with a work colleague and going the opposite way (and even if she had been alone, anything short of a direct approach would have been too weird).

    sooo, instead of taking this as a ‘failure’… why don’t you recognize what it really is… a confirmation of your AF subcomms… like Palmasailor says… you need to believe in your own success… if you don’t believe me… OR Sentient…lol… at least listen to Palmasailor…lol

    Third. I’m in the audience for a panel at some professional conference. One of the panelists is a woman I knew vaguely in college (we had common friends, met a couple of times at parties, flirted a bit, I got her number and I think we talked 1-2 times on the phone but never dated – in fact, now that I think about it she must have really liked beta nerd me back then – if I remember right, the party where I met her/got her number, she absolutely ignored some guy who was a DJ in college trying to hit on her to talk to me – and she was the cutest girl at that party). She was a cute brunette 7 then, even now solid 6+. It has been like 18-19 years though. The only reason I remember all this is because fucking up with her was one of the series of “beta fuckups” that led me to game – one of the failures that gave me motivation and stuck in my mind. Otherwise I have no reason to remember interactions that led nowhere from so long ago.

    But we’ve had ZERO contact for 18 years (except that about 5-6 years ago she added me as a contact on Linkedin because we are in the same industry, so I see her progress updates sometimes – I never post anything to Linkedin so she can’t have seen any of mine). Also, we briefly overlapped at a huge Fortune 500 employer in the same city but different departments over a decade ago. I don’t think we ever even spoke but I remember seeing her in the office a couple times over a decade ago.

    The point I’m making is she had no reason to remember me from a few conversations 18 years ago.

    who’s frame is this?…

    https://tenor.com/view/ncis-mark-harmon-michael-weatherly-head-hit-gif-5164265

    So I’d seen her name on the list of panelists and I turned up, and decided there was no mileage in going up to her and trying to remind her of our earlier acquaintance – just comes across as needy.

    who’s frame is this?…

    https://tenor.com/view/ncis-mark-harmon-michael-weatherly-head-hit-gif-5164265

    I asked some good questions at the panel (I Had two audience members come and tell me afterwards), and immediately after, I went to speak to one of the other panelists to ask if I could get involved with some industry initiatives. As I’m speaking to her, the old College Girl literally comes up behind me and is talking over my shoulder: “I think we know each other”. I actually ignored her – not deliberately but because I was literally midsentence – and then she repeated herself as I finished my sentence and turned around.

    sooo, after a couple DECADES this girl essentially runs up to you… and is sooo excited to see you that she violates a social convention (don’t interrupt people talking until it’s your turn) (and at a professional conference in her industry no less…lol) just to get your attention…

    I pretended not to remember her and looked at her politely.

    this was great!…lol

    She was forced to ask my name and I told her and then she said “Did you go to [college]?” and I was like “yeah! Did you go there too?” and she was like “Yes! We’ve met before, we knew each other at [college]!”.

    nice way to get her to qualify…lol…

    And then I put her out of her misery and deliberately opened my eyes wide and went “Oh yeah…I remember now..you were [X]’s friend!”. And then we were off – 10 minutes of reminiscing about college, catching up on career paths, common friends etc (STRONG, locked in eye contact here, and distance between us wasn’t super close – I couldn’t have kissed her – but definitely closer than “polite” distance – a half step forward would have put me in kissing range – but wonder if I’m reading too much into this).

    at the risk of getting this comment stuck in mod…

    https://tenor.com/view/ncis-mark-harmon-michael-weatherly-head-hit-gif-5164265

    lol… do you even TRM, bro?…

    At one point she said “let me see if I remember – your major was in [blah] [CORRECT!]

    wow…

    and then you moved to [PLACE] after college [CORRECT,

    wow…

    but she was off by several years –

    wow… (<— that one was for your excuse-making…lol)

    she was talking about my move to the Small Town that I mention here sometimes – that was quite a while later).

    wow… (<— THIS is going to be my new word of the week…lol)

    So at the end of that, she asked me for my number and sent me a text to make sure I had her number (and just as we were finishing, the other panelist came up and she was telling her that we actually used to know each other 18 years ago etc..)

    wow again… you should have kissed her…lol…

    and then I said bye and left.

    Anyway, I am not entirely sure what to make of all of that interaction

    seriously dude?…lol… do you even TRM, bro?… and do you sense a theme?…lol

    or fully understand all the dynamics

    you DO understand just fine…lol… you ‘re just not willing to own it yet… for whatever reason… just let go of that rock in the river…lol

    or how much of what she told me was true,

    the medium is the message… do i really have to post a link?…lol

    but it was interesting experience. I don’t really want to sleep with her (she’s cute enough physically, but she’s WAY more useful to me professionally and I can sleep with other women – not sure how to leverage her professionally though –

    sure you do…

    she’s already an established part of this industry initiative I’m joining so she could really help get me fully onboard into the “inner circle” if she wanted but I’m not sure how to go about it).

    sure you do… hint – just ask…lol

    PS – I should add that of course I know she was attracted to me and there was chemistry between us (both today and 18 years ago) – but I’m not sure what/how much to read into her remembering me etc.

    sure you are… you are just not willing to accept your awesomeness yet…lol… or the fact that @Rollo is correct in his TRM analysis…

    In fact I just remembered now as I type this – at one point during the conversation she even said something like “I couldn’t even concentrate on the questions being asked to the panel even though I had to answer them..I saw you and thought “I know him from somewhere” and then I just kept going back in my head and thinking of all my friends and history over the years till I remembered”

    wow!!!… (<— note the exclamation points…lol)… you should have just taken her hand and lead her up to your room…lol

    One final PS – also remembered she is married and never mentioned her husband. It was all “I moved from City A to City B”, etc not “We”. No kids (I think) in late 30s. It only came up when she said something like “I…got married…but that’s not why I changed my name..I just did it because of visa hassles when moving abroad” and that’s it.

    lol… maybe @Rollo should make this a case study… i think he’s doing those now…lol

    good luck!

  38. @Culum

    oh ya… i almost forgot…

    how’s that FI treatin’ ya?…lol

    (thanks for the reminder @Sentient…lol)

    good luck!

  39. Congrats Palma!

    You’ve managed to set yourself up as the perfect branch swing candidate.

    A bad boy who is looking to settle down.

    If you really want to avoid issues, move out. Now.

    Else I suspect she will next do something that allows her to show herself naked to you. Walk out in a towel that slips a little etc. Or you “catch” her by “surprise” getting changed etc.

  40. That scottish Daygamer has been in prison for 9 months whilst awaiting charges for ‘harassment’. (which sounds like approaching a hot 17 year old and trying to get her number from what I gather) Seems odd. I’d assume that’s longer than any actual sentence would be.

    But then read this this morning!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7557947/Shy-awkward-student-19-faces-JAIL-sex-assault-conviction.html

    Potential 10 years for this teen for touching a girls arm? Kind of baffled. Is it that bad in the UK? I often see Field Reports from UK guys on reddit/seddit, and it seems they get much harsher, faster rejections, even in bars, than other posters. Rarely see much success. Any UK guys on here posted cold approach FR’s? Is it all about looks over there? (girls just don’t let you run your game if they’re not into your looks? Especially young ones?)

  41. @Palmasailor

    wow!… and yikes!!!…(<— how’s that for combining my two new words of the week?…lol)

    @HABD / sentient

    “lol… that girl is smoooooooth…lol”

    I feel that this is going from bad to worse, and I’m effectively up against a master chess player.

    remember… this is ALL her hindbrain… SHE is like a third-person observer too…lol… she just gets feelings she follows…

    but ya…lol

    Bear with me on this bit:

    Because some stuff is actually two handed I need the odd help out and she’s the only one here so we are doing the odd thing “together”.

    Yesterday was a shit day where I loused up part of the job. Resulting in loads of drama. I’ll give you a bit of detail in case you see something I can’t.

    I install a bit of shit (real shit that we shouldn’t be installing) that’s been bought and it fuses half the house, but it’s fucking enormous / needed scaffolding to fit and I can’t “un install it” (will take a day) so half the house is out of power.

    Alarm system has concluded some bandit has cut external power and we’re under assault and is noisily timing down to set the dogs off / and house is on lockdown bc electric gates / entry system won’t work.

    EEGF is laughing saying we’ll have to have candles “it’ll be romantic” ………

    if she’s saying it, her hindbrain is plotting…lol

    I said “it will be for you, but I don’t have a gf so won’t be romantic for me..” (I’ve started to play up the lack of gf thing thinking it’ll make me look a bit needy but that’s backfired as well if you read further down…

    checkmate in 5…lol

    I have to Hotwire alarm fast so running round like lunatic.

    EEGF says I “shouldn’t worry about it and I should have a glass of wine” she pours herself one – she’s got fuck all to worry about, I’m the one that has to fix this shit.. (she obv.. totally confident that I can fix it – and she’s right)

    No way – wine declined

    good… that ‘sharing’ food/drink is still in play…

    Old friend arrives back and she reports on my shit day (his hadn’t been great either but she didn’t ask him about his – I did ask him – and talk about it).

    sooo, she’s more interested in YOUR day than his… got it!… unless this was about how your day affected HER day, this is an important data point…

    She demands we all go out for dinner, and my brain didn’t see it bc distracted with shit show I have to deal with in house so I agree and happy with local decent pub – she thinks is “shit hole” it definitely isn’t – nothing round here is a shit hole. Lots of drama from her about where to go – I don’t care.

    do i really have to say it?… ok… sh*t test…lol… and who’s frame is this?… and was she pushing on you or old friend?… or both…lol

    Over dinner come to my senses and decide to continue along lines of HABD plan B

    as I’m never gonna get his plan A “steak fight out” to fly..

    “otherwise, just start talking about how much you admire old friend, buy him some drinks/share from what you got, ask his opinion on something you need guidance on, etc… basically put yourself as his beta follower… but try to be subtle…”

    I continue to start to bemoan my lack of gf (thinking in line with plan B) and rightly or wrongly start to push a bit “needy” for her friends no.. she ignores number request – friend is “away”.

    lol… ya, you should have expected that…lol

    one thing i should have mentioned is don’t put ANY sex/relationship topics in play… bc girl’s hindbrain just takes THAT as encouragement…lol… just like when she is talking about ‘sex/etc’ with you… you are supposed to ‘just get it’…lol… (coughMorpheuscough…lol)…

    so, when YOU are talking about sex/girlfriend/relationship, all SHE hears is more confirmation of solid branch to swing to…lol… and you don’t have any reason ‘not to’… let her fill that role… and no, men’s friendships don’t count…

    Old friend pipes up “don’t know why you give a shit about her, you’ve had Loads of women and you haven’t put any SERIOUS effort into finding one for the last 2 years”. He’s right.

    THIS is what you should have been doing…lol… he’s not helping your situ… or his… although he doesn’t know that…

    Apart from the odd bit when I’ve been in the mood I’ve treated it as a game which half the time I can’t be bothered to play.

    He recites example of an approach I did “do you remember that bird?”

    We hit 2 women in pub XYZ, hard banter, I number closed, she shit tested “hey delete my number I’m going off you”

    I said “ok” and deleted her number in front of her.

    Old friend looked at me smiling (he knew what was coming)

    I said “anyway great to meet you girls were meeting people over the road” and we left… woman was gobsmacked bc she didn’t want me to delete her number.. you could see panic in her eyes when she realised that I wasn’t going to ask for it again…

    Old friend recited all this..

    Debate starts on “loads of women” and old friend busts my cover on N>200…

    wow!…and yikes!…lol… still not helping… look at the huge pre-selection on Palmasailor…lol

    On the other bit of plan B, I can’t overtly say how much I admire him – he’ll think I’ve turned ghey and wonder why I’m being a creep. Plus he’s asking me loads of questions all the time bc what we are doing is him moving into what I’ve done well in the past. Again I can’t give the wrong answers here as he’ll pick up incongruity.

    just this structure of your situ is likely enough to lead to EEGF’s behavior… much less you living in the same house… bc in this particular case, you ARE the AF stud… bc old friend is getting tutored by you (essentially… unless i’m misunderstanding the dynamic…)… which is great as far as friends/’men’ go, but it’s not helping your (either one of your) ‘girl’ situ…

    I’m asking his advice on bits, but I’ve just realised those bits are where I’m under assault from the government, 4 “battles”. So I’m getting the feeling that’s backfired as well bc commutes to “rule breaking bad boy”..

    yes… and i’m guessing the overall dynamic is one of the ‘general’ asking one of his trusted ‘colonels’ his opinion on YOUR situ… as opposed to old friend giving you advice… which you will then follow… (if that makes sense…)…

    “especially when a girl takes food from one man and gives it to another man”

    He he just went up and paid for dinner and refused my offer to pay my corner..

    wow!… and YIKES!!!… (<— note the all caps and 3!!! exclamation points…lol)

    So it’s a fucking mess… her hindbrain is outwitting every exit move and I’m falling deeper and deeper into the hole.

    not only her hindbrain… old friend is respecting you for your help in learning/etc… which in terms of ‘men’, you pick up the tab for dinner in appreciation… but girls don’t even have a clue about that sh*t…lol… that’s actually WHY girls can’t sustain civilization… much less build it…lol… but not kidding… and that overall process actually pings her hindbrain hard… for all those evo psych reasons we talk about…

    As a final nail in the fucking coffin it’s been suggested by old friend son that I cook tomorrow night,

    and where did HE get that idea, i wonder…

    they know I don’t have an appointment as it cancelled and so nothing to do. Old friend remembers that he has a meeting so I think I’m off the hook but old friend says “EEGF will be here, she’s up for it” and so is son (so that’s a bit of a relief)

    don’t relax yet!…lol

    But shit … could it get any worse..?

    absolutely!!…lol…

    [carnival barker —>} “hear ye!… hear ye! Watch NOW!… as the AMAZING EEGF’s hindbrain plots a THRILLING and completely PREDICTABLE TWIST to this night-time dinner!!!

    FOLLOW along as this OPPORTUNITY unfolds… for advancing her devious plan to SWING from one solid and completely secure branch… to this completely NEW… completely AWESOME!……… BRANCH!!!

    Watch as she SCHEMES to EXCLUDE old friend’s son from the dinner!!!…

    WHAT will she DO?… HOW will she MANAGE it?…

    Step right UP!!! The SHOW is about to START!!!!”

    lol…

    might be better for you to ‘suddenly be unable to make it’…

    Potiphor’s slave?

    Shit..

    that about sums it up…

    good luck!

  42. “Old friend pipes up “don’t know why you give a shit about her, you’ve had Loads of women and you haven’t put any SERIOUS effort into finding one for the last 2 years””

    Good wingman

  43. “he’s not helping your situ… or his… although he doesn’t know that”

    Oh we’re not trying to help him bang her?

    Gay

  44. Have you guys seen? RSD seems to have got out of the PUA business completely.

    All PUA related videos are gone off Youtube for all instructors (they still have old videos up but only the most generic ones, not the direct Game/pickup related stuff) they’ve rebranded to general self help.

    The website too – there are a few lingering references to game but basically, pickup, getting girls all gone.

    Tyler has been talking for ages about moving to the larger self-help market, but not sure why he’s burning his bridges by eliminating his steady cash flow from the PUA products – they handled the Julien scandal from years ago and SJWs hate them anyway – it can’t really be because of this BBC documentary and general gender war can it?

    I feel sad for the young men now who won’t have the kind of help some of us did.

    I suppose in some ways there oculd be a silver lining though – they can’t eliminate the knowledge, so if it all goes back more underground, with less money to be made, it could become more peer-to-peer teaching and attract fewer scammers and more guys who are willing to put in the effort to learn and get better.

  45. culum

    “general gender war can it?”

    What RSD is – a shrewd marketing machine. They are just following the market.

  46. “Game did create attraction. Also, most PUAs used to apply approach tactics to create attraction.”

    Comment from the now defunct site seductionmyth.com back in 2011:

    “You can not create attraction where there is no attraction. Attraction is nearly instantaneous, it’s in the subconscious mind, it’s a natural reaction to unconscious signals a woman or a man picks up on… a smell, a look, a face, a smile, a voice. It exists without awareness. But creating attraction and seducing a person to do something are not the same.

    A woman can be attracted to a man and turned off by what he does, what he says, or by how he lives, or any other variable for which a man can control and not sleep with him. There are millions of women in the world that each man can find that are attracted to him, that doesn’t mean there are a million women out there who will sleep with him if he walked up to them and said, hi let’s sleep together.

    After that initial, smell/voice/face (the unconscious and uncontrollable things of attraction), A man must be able to bring that subconscious attraction, to the conscious mind, then turn that attraction into arousal, and then talk her into coming home with him. That is what seduction is. It’s the fulfilling of a want through persuasion and enticement”.

    “All my female friends. Know within the first four seconds of a guy approaching them if they have the hover effect. The hover effect being that she visualizes what it would be like for you to be on top and over her. If she can’t see it, it doesn’t matter what you say, you’re dead in the water.” – Zan Perrion in The Way of The Natural

    “I do not know what the woman is looking for, I could be it, if not, then I would not have succeeded anyways.” – Ross Jeffries in How To Get Women You Desire Into Bed!

    “Almost all the interactions I had in Moscow that led to at least a phone number exchange was on girls who expressed some interest in Italy, similar to how Polish girls would inquire if I was Spanish. These experiences make me wonder if game is nothing more than a tool to be used on a girl who doesn’t object to our general look” – Roosh V

  47. Sentient, HABD.

    Oof. Okay, point taken.

    Couple more things I remembered (it doesn’t change the analysis just more for the sake of me recording the factors):

    -In the panel discussion itself (before she came and introduced herself at the end), another panelist made a reference to a fairly obscure poem. Then I asked a question a while later and quoted the poem from memory to illustrate something in my question to the other panelist and out of the corner of my eye, I saw Conference Girl looking at me and nodding with a BIG grin on her face, like “yes! He gets it!!” kind glee.

    -Right at the end when I was putting my number into her phone, I entered my full name and she saw my surname and went “Oh yeah, I think I have you on my Linkedin too” [which she added me on several years ago].

    So, anyway. Yeah. I can’t even comment on what you guys said – you’re absolutely right. There’s nothing I can add really.

    The only question is as HABD says how let go of that “rock in the river” that I’ve been stuck on for a couple of years now.

    Apart from a fuckton of going out alone and not making progress, I’ve also

    -successfully done the 400 Approach challenge (which helped)

    -stopped blitzing or specifically setting aside time to practice and go out and pull (from end 2018)

    I certainly feel better and calmer focussing on other stuff and getting on with my life – it’s been pretty intense anyway with moving across the world, physical training, various career pivots and so on – but it’s not really improving my Game any (even when I travel to places where English is spoken like the recent conference).

    As you guys said, I need to integrate the “Game” blitz stuff into my daily life instead of having it be “apart”. Then I can act in the moment when opportunities present instead of being “on” and “off” (like the two examples I gave).

    So far I’ve stopped the blitz, but I’ve not done much of bringing into daily life.

    So plan from now is to focus on that. It’s about training myself to be consistent and “on” all the time in my attitude. It’s less about the big flashy nights out or fast pulls – it’s about being “on” and letting that relaxed part of me come out.

    To give an analogy, one of the things the last few months of training has really helped me with is my posture. I’ve been constantly reminded and had my ass kicked (sometimes literally) and I got used to first being consciously aware of it all the time and correcting it to internalizing it more and naturally straightening up. I’m not perfect – still catch myself slumping occasionally, but overall I’m a LOT better and it’s become more internalized (I recently saw a friend after a three month gap and the first thing she said when she saw me is that I look taller).

    I’m trying to inculcate that kind of training to be “on” in daily life. It’s kind of like the 400 Approach challenge, but less intense – more about being on all the time and alert and being aware of how I’m behaving and girls and just kind of being purposeful and not blindly meandering through my day.

    So, just simple stuff – but simple stuff done consistently every day to train the habits.

    I will lock eyes with every woman I pass (on the street and elsewhere). Obviously some of them may not meet my eyes but that’s different. ALL.
    Optionally EC with the men too?
    If I get strong EC or some other IOI (smile, hair, whatever – like the escalator girl from my FR) then have some interaction/response/acknowledgment – like Sentient said, smile (or more properly, smirk), stick tongue out, fingers like a pistol or just nod – whatever. Try “Hey” if feasible (ma
    Will try to have a conversation with any hired guns/service girls etc. Not a full conversation necessarily, just more to get into the habit of saying more than the absolute minimum required for the transaction. It can literally just be a comment about the weather or complimenting the restaurant or whatever – just practice again in being conversational and alert. Could be difficult to do much with the language issues, but I can do something.
    In ALL conversations (especially with women, but even with men), be aware and in the moment – in particular, focus on good eye contact and body landuage and no nervous movements/stillness, and slow speech. The usual stuff – it’s a bit more sexual with women of course, plus a bit of a smirk with women.
    Many years ago, a very good PUA guy I used to wing with told me to practice by giving ONE girl a compliment every day. It’s not even a direct approach as such – you’re not necessarily trying to pull her (although that might end up happening). From your perspective you’re just being social, being alert and “on” and improving someone’s day by giving them a compliment and then leaving – you don’t HAVE to leave if you’re chatting, but the plan is that you compliment and leave. Kind of like HABD’s 400 Approach challenge except only one a day (to develop the habit) and it’s a compliment not a question (he also had some great thoughts and specific tips about how to give personalized compliments – and also he made the very good point that giving the personalized compliments also trained very good observational habits about really observing women and noticing details about them in order to give compliments and general alertness).

    So I’m going to do that. May be a bit difficult to do personalized compliments with the language issues where I am, but it should be possible to memorize a generic compliment line in the local language (“You have a great sense of style” or “You have an amazing energy about you” or similar).

    PS – Speaking of body language and posture – I couldn’t help but notice at the recent conference how like 98% of the men had such shit posture and are just constantly hunched up and curve backed. I’m no ramrod straight military posture or anything, but even in a few months of training I’m way ahead of nearly all of them.

    PPS – The conference was like 60-70% men – women were a minority. Overall age was 20s/30s and some 40s. It was interesting to see that the women were on average a good deal more attractive than the men. It’s not that the women were super attractive or anything. The best you had was a few 7s. Maybe like one girl who could hvae been a 7.5. But a lot of the men just gave an air of not giving a shit about how they looked – the women (mostly) weren’t fat and looked like they actually cared..

  48. @Palma – bang your friend’s ex-girlfriend if you want to enjoy yourself I guess, but how would that help your situation with current EEGF? It’ll just give you more social proof and bad boy street cred and increase her interest in you..

  49. Okay guys, so interesting Field Report from last night (when I started doing the Eye Contact thing).

    I’m 90% sure she was a hooker, but would be interested to see if you guys agree because there were a few things that were off – like her not asking for money or being more direct etc (even if she was a hooker, what I find fascinating is just how fast interesting things can happen to me when I’m alert and engaged with my surroundings and making eye contact etc instead of just drifting through life).

    I’m still in my conference city, I stayed on after it finished for a few days.

    Going back to my hotel after dinner around 10pm. Edge of a busy nightlife district so streets are crowded, bars and restaurants full, but NOT a red light area and you do not see streetwalkers here and there is no open prostitution – you have to call, or sometimes there are pimps on the streets (just because it is a busy nightlife area – it’s not a prostitution zone or anything) but no street walkers.

    Literally trying to practice the Eye Contact thing from my post above for the first time.

    About 50 yards from my hotel, lock eyes with a cute mid-20s HB7 Asian (well, I’m in Asia so barring tourists – of which there are plenty – pretty much all the women are Asian). Heavily made up, alone, not loitering but walking at a normal pace in the opposite direction to me. No hooker vibe. Looked like any other girl having a night out (except for being alone). Strangely she was on a video call on her phone but not actually talking – just literally holding it up in her hand (when I glanced at it it looked like an old woman was kind of observing). It’s still early and she is not remotely drunk.

    She keeps holding EC for WAY too long and SHE slows down and says something (not sure what) and then she stops and I stop. I remember Sentient and my brain kicks into action and I go “hey” and she says hi. She stepped fairly close to me and asked where I was going.

    Honestly, the conversation itself is a blur – it was complete shit and her English was “functional” but I think she didn’t understand a large proportion of what I said. But I told her I was walking home and then I introduced myself and took her hand and again, she let me hold it way too long. At this point I’m thinking “hooker” – WAY too much IOIs/unearned interest for her to be asking me a question and investing in me like that instantly (I get plenty of IOIs from women in clubs/bars or even IOIs on the street etc, but this “felt” too much – my instincts said it was an “unearned IOI”).

    But then she didn’t ask me for money so I figured I’d play along and see how it went.

    I’m trying to make polite boring conversation and just keep the interaction going (her English was not good enough for more). I was like “what are you up to?” and she was like “just walking around”.

    So I turned around (facing the way she was going) and said “okay, I’ll walk with you for a while..it’s a nice night” (I don’t think she understood everything I said but she got the gist of it) and I could see her looking a bit skeptical and hesitant and then complying and walking along (me guiding her a bit with hand on her back for kino).

    We’re walking slowly and chatting (not much EC because we are facing the way we’re walking) – she asks if I’m working in [this city] and I tell her I’m visiting for a conference and will be leaving soon (I may have mentioned I was in a hotel nearby – can’t remember). I ask her what she’s up to and she says she is visiting from Mongolia (yes, really! – I am NOT in Mongolia). As we walk I touch her back or her arms. She says something about “trying to have a modelling career” in this city.

    She often grabs my biceps and keeps squeezing (STILL holding the phone with the video call going in her other hand). She asks something like “Where you go? What you want to do?” and I keep saying something about “let’s go for a walk and maybe get a drink”.

    Now we’re standing outside a convenience store (maybe 50-100 yards or so we’ve walked together, slowly). I’ve got my arm partly around her back and saying this. She says something about “Why you want to come to my hotel?” and I ‘m like “No, I didn’t say your hotel..I said let’s go for a drink” and then she says something like “no, I’m not that kind of girl” (it may not have been those words, but basically her clearly refusing and walking away) and turns and goes into the store.

    I wait outside about a minute (she was clearly shopping inside – she must have been headed there when I met her) and then I turned and walked back to my hotel – and about 50 yards beyond where I met her, I saw two more girls hanging out on the street, waiting. Similar age, “look” and dress to her (but not as cute – “my” girl was the most attractive), but they were just sitting around on their phones and chatting – not “streetwalker loitering”.

    I walked past them and then a minute later realized I’d overshot my hotel and turned back and walked past them again and one of them came up to me and asked something (which I didn’t hear), but I shook my head and kept walking (I assumed they were hookers) and on the way (before reaching my hotel), saw “my” girl coming the opposite way with whatever she’d bought at the convenience store, presumably to share with her friends (although she never mentioned friends to me – this is only supposition that those girls were her friends). We made EC and I smiled at her and kept walking.

    Conclusion: Almost certainly hookers, although it is very strange in this town and this area – especially combined with the “madam” watching on video (why the hell have that permanently on? And I didn’t see the other two girls on video calls for sure, so why my girl on video just to walk to the store? She wasn’t even talking on it before she stopped for me), and also strange that if she was a hooker why she wasn’t more direct – why didn’t she ask for money? Why didn’t she suggest going to my hotel or me coming to her hotel? Why did she reject the idea of me going to her hotel (even though I didn’t say it!!) – that’s what a hooker should want surely? Even if she wanted to save the money discussion for later and wasn’t a true “professional” who discusses it upfront?

    For that matter, forget money – if she was a hooker, why didn’t she give me that “fake hooker interest” and friendliness? She didn’t even laugh or smile I’ve been to enough strip clubs to know what the vibe of that feels like and this wasn’t it. Except for the initial moments when her initial reaction to the locked eye contact was so strong (SHE engaged ME in conversation!!) that it triggered my “unearned IOIs” alarm, the rest of the interaction wasn’t like that at ALL. Except for the good kino response and squeezing my arm, the conversation vibe was actually quite standoffish and aloof – but at the same time I’ve spoken to enough girls who give one word answers and want to exit the conversation ASAP that I know what that feels like – this wasn’t it. She was aloof..but she was still participating in the conversation.

    One thing occurs to me just now – what’s the relevance of the woman on the video call? She had the phone held up, but the woman can’t see everything – I’m not sure but I don’t think she could have seen my arm around the girl, and I don’t think she could have seen the girl squeeze my arm either. She could probably have heard our conversation – but even then I’m not sure how much – it’s a crowded street sidewalk at night and traffic etc and we weren’t shouting. Is it feasible that my girl was trying to express as much interest as possible without her “madam” seeing?

    I really found this a very puzzling interaction but interesting. So much opportunity in the world out there..

  50. @Palma – I think it is more likely that it will just increase your social proof with EEGF. But then again, at this point you may as well try something new.

    The most obvious solution for you is just to NOT be around her or interact with her – but if that’s not possible due to the work you’re doing, then maybe you can try this. Clear it with your old friend first (not like “I’m going to bang your ex – is that okay?”, more like bring up the possibility as a joke or sometihing and see how he responds – or show him that text exchange.

    Atleast you’ll get laid, if it is’ been a while..

  51. Culum

    I suspect she was a hooker, probably a newish one and when you stopped leading and went boring she thought you were a cop. 👮 So she shut it down.

    Had a similar experience in NOLA, nice looking 7. Big IOIs but it became clear early she was a hooker and when I said I’m not paying she broke off and didn’t want to chat further.

  52. @Culum

    I don’t care if she was a hooker or not but a couple game notes for future non-hooker girls:

    “I was like “what are you up to?” and she was like “just walking around”.

    So I turned around (facing the way she was going) and said “okay, I’ll walk with you for a while..it’s a nice night” (I don’t think she understood everything I said but she got the gist of it) and I could see her looking a bit skeptical and hesitant and then complying and walking along (me guiding her a bit with hand on her back for kino).”

    When girls tell you they’re walking around aimlessly, don’t walk around aimlessly with them! She doesn’t HAVE to go to the direction she was heading towards. Spike then lead, “actually I’m gonna get a drink at this cool bar I found the other day. Wanna join me for a drink?” (assume she’ll say yes). Then keep talking while you google maps the nearest bar to your hotel lol.

    ““my” girl was the most attractive),”

    Get rid of the quotation marks, broski! We know what you meant by your girl.

  53. @Palmasailor

    @HABD / Sentient

    How about this for an idea – what if I go and bang friends ex girlfriend… (she’s married by the way).

    He wouldn’t care about that…

    See this from her

    https://imgur.com/a/QB9CFe7

    lol…

    sooo, your hindbrain seems to really be workin’ against you…lol

    not only would you get some pre-selection for banging a married girl… you set a precedent for banging girls that are ‘done with’ old friend…

    not helping your situ…lol

    ping your son, maybe you can talk him into meeting for dinner… ‘just the two of you…bc you have to catch up’…

    else, just get an ‘impulse to check out xxx’ (faaaar away…and by yourself…lol)… and then just go for a while… maybe have a fun weekend by yourself somewhere… assuming the house stuff can wait…

    good luck!

  54. @Culum

    Sentient, HABD.

    Oof. Okay, point taken.

    Couple more things I remembered (it doesn’t change the analysis just more for the sake of me recording the factors):

    -In the panel discussion itself (before she came and introduced herself at the end), another panelist made a reference to a fairly obscure poem. Then I asked a question a while later and quoted the poem from memory to illustrate something in my question to the other panelist and out of the corner of my eye, I saw Conference Girl looking at me and nodding with a BIG grin on her face, like “yes! He gets it!!” kind glee.

    -Right at the end when I was putting my number into her phone, I entered my full name and she saw my surname and went “Oh yeah, I think I have you on my Linkedin too” [which she added me on several years ago].

    could’a/should’a f*ked her on the panelist table…lol… but not really kidding…

    So, anyway. Yeah. I can’t even comment on what you guys said – you’re absolutely right. There’s nothing I can add really.

    The only question is as HABD says how let go of that “rock in the river” that I’ve been stuck on for a couple of years now.

    just gotta do it…

    So far I’ve stopped the blitz, but I’ve not done much of bringing into daily life.

    at least with the ‘blitz’ you did SOMEthing…lol

    So plan from now is to focus on that. It’s about training allowing myself to be consistent and “on” all the time in my attitude. It’s less about the big flashy nights out or fast pulls – it’s about being “on” and letting that relaxed part of me come out.

    fify…

    To give an analogy, one of the things the last few months of training has really helped me with is my posture. I’ve been constantly reminded and had my ass kicked (sometimes literally) and I got used to first being consciously aware of it all the time and correcting it to internalizing it more and naturally straightening up. I’m not perfect – still catch myself slumping occasionally, but overall I’m a LOT better and it’s become more internalized (I recently saw a friend after a three month gap and the first thing she said when she saw me is that I look taller).

    I’m trying to inculcate that kind of training to be “on” in daily life.

    are you ‘on’ with your ‘posture’ in your daily life?… at least now… that’s what you should be wrt ‘girls’…

    So I’m going to do that. May be a bit difficult to do personalized compliments with the language issues where I am, but it should be possible to memorize a generic compliment line in the local language (“You have a great sense of style” or “You have an amazing energy about you” or similar).

    are you trying to learn the language?… if you are there for any length of time, you should be… pick out a cute girl or two (who likely has cute friends/family…lol) at a local shop and stop in to ‘practice the language’…

    PS – Speaking of body language and posture – I couldn’t help but notice at the recent conference how like 98% of the men had such shit posture and are just constantly hunched up and curve backed. I’m no ramrod straight military posture or anything, but even in a few months of training I’m way ahead of nearly all of them.

    and you don’t think girls pick up on that sh*t?…lol

    PPS – The conference was like 60-70% men – women were a minority. Overall age was 20s/30s and some 40s. It was interesting to see that the women were on average a good deal more attractive than the men. It’s not that the women were super attractive or anything. The best you had was a few 7s. Maybe like one girl who could hvae been a 7.5.

    did SHE throw an elbow at you too?…lol

    good luck!

  55. @Culum

    Okay guys, so interesting Field Report from last night (when I started doing the Eye Contact thing).

    I’m 90% sure she was a hooker, but would be interested to see if you guys agree because there were a few things that were off – like her not asking for money or being more direct etc (even if she was a hooker, what I find fascinating is just how fast interesting things can happen to me when I’m alert and engaged with my surroundings and making eye contact etc instead of just drifting through life).

    I’m still in my conference city, I stayed on after it finished for a few days.

    Going back to my hotel after dinner around 10pm. Edge of a busy nightlife district so streets are crowded, bars and restaurants full, but NOT a red light area and you do not see streetwalkers here and there is no open prostitution – you have to call, or sometimes there are pimps on the streets (just because it is a busy nightlife area – it’s not a prostitution zone or anything) but no street walkers.

    you mean like on ‘starsky and hutch’ or ‘beretta’?…lol… you really do lead a sheltered life…lol

    Literally trying to practice the Eye Contact thing from my post above for the first time.

    About 50 yards from my hotel, lock eyes with a cute mid-20s HB7 Asian (well, I’m in Asia so barring tourists – of which there are plenty – pretty much all the women are Asian). Heavily made up, alone, not loitering but walking at a normal pace in the opposite direction to me. No hooker vibe. Looked like any other girl having a night out (except for being alone). Strangely she was on a video call on her phone but not actually talking – just literally holding it up in her hand (when I glanced at it it looked like an old woman was kind of observing). It’s still early and she is not remotely drunk.

    lol… this is what a hooker looks like irl… and not some cheesy 70’s action tv show…lol

    She keeps holding EC for WAY too long and SHE slows down and says something (not sure what)

    it was “me love you looog time, joe!”…

    lol…

    and how do you know the price wasn’t in that exchange?…lol

    and then she stops and I stop. I remember Sentient and my brain kicks into action and I go “hey”

    lol…

    and she says hi. She stepped fairly close to me and asked where I was going.

    watch out for your kidneys!…

    lol…

    Honestly, the conversation itself is a blur – it was complete shit and her English was “functional” but I think she didn’t understand a large proportion of what I said. But I told her I was walking home and then I introduced myself and took her hand and again, she let me hold it way too long. At this point I’m thinking “hooker” – WAY too much IOIs/unearned interest for her to be asking me a question and investing in me like that instantly (I get plenty of IOIs from women in clubs/bars or even IOIs on the street etc, but this “felt” too much – my instincts said it was an “unearned IOI”).

    But then she didn’t ask me for money so I figured I’d play along and see how it went.

    lol… like i said… sheltered… i guess the girls COULD carry sandwich boards with their prices…lol… THAT would save lots of time…lol

    I’m trying to make polite boring conversation and just keep the interaction going (her English was not good enough for more). I was like “what are you up to?” and she was like “just walking around”.

    So I turned around (facing the way she was going) and said “okay, I’ll walk with you for a while..it’s a nice night” (I don’t think she understood everything I said but she got the gist of it)

    ya, like @j suggests… for a game pointer… who’s frame was this?… who is leading/following?…

    and I could see her looking a bit skeptical and hesitant

    her hindbrain —> oh, NO!!! a beta!!!…

    lol…

    and then complying and walking along (me guiding her a bit with hand on her back for kino).

    nice reframe… but you are still following her plan…

    We’re walking slowly and chatting (not much EC because we are facing the way we’re walking) – she asks if I’m working in [this city] and I tell her I’m visiting for a conference and will be leaving soon (I may have mentioned I was in a hotel nearby – can’t remember). I ask her what she’s up to and she says she is visiting from Mongolia (yes, really! – I am NOT in Mongolia). As we walk I touch her back or her arms. She says something about “trying to have a modelling career” in this city.

    lol…

    She often grabs my biceps and keeps squeezing (STILL holding the phone with the video call going in her other hand).

    lol… and this didn’t strike you as unusual?…

    kind of like how drug girl was ‘totally compliant’… even though she didn’t even answer your basic questions…lol

    translation for you = come on, dude!… don’t waste my time… make an offer…

    She asks something like “Where you go? What you want to do?” and I keep saying something about “let’s go for a walk and maybe get a drink”.

    you smell like a cop or a clueless tourist…lol

    Now we’re standing outside a convenience store (maybe 50-100 yards or so we’ve walked together, slowly). I’ve got my arm partly around her back and saying this. She says something about “Why you want to come to my hotel?”

    translation = stop wasting my time tourist boy!…

    lol…

    and I ‘m like “No, I didn’t say your hotel..I said let’s go for a drink” and then she says something like “no, I’m not that kind of girl” (it may not have been those words, but basically her clearly refusing and walking away) and turns and goes into the store.

    that’s what happens when you ping as a cop…lol

    I wait outside about a minute (she was clearly shopping inside – she must have been headed there when I met her) and then I turned and walked back to my hotel – and about 50 yards beyond where I met her, I saw two more girls hanging out on the street, waiting. Similar age, “look” and dress to her (but not as cute – “my” girl was the most attractive), but they were just sitting around on their phones and chatting – not “streetwalker loitering”.

    lol… you mean with feather boas, shiny micro minis, and shit?…lol

    I walked past them and then a minute later realized I’d overshot my hotel and turned back and walked past them again and one of them came up to me and asked something (which I didn’t hear),

    “me love you looong time, joe?”…

    lol…

    but I shook my head and kept walking (I assumed they were hookers) and on the way (before reaching my hotel), saw “my” girl coming the opposite way with whatever she’d bought at the convenience store, presumably to share with her friends (although she never mentioned friends to me – this is only supposition that those girls were her friends). We made EC and I smiled at her and kept walking.

    Conclusion: Almost certainly hookers, although it is very strange in this town and this area – especially combined with the “madam” watching on video (why the hell have that permanently on? And I didn’t see the other two girls on video calls for sure, so why my girl on video just to walk to the store? She wasn’t even talking on it before she stopped for me), and also strange that if she was a hooker why she wasn’t more direct –

    ya, she should get together with that coffee shop girl’s hindbrain and work out that grabbing your c*ck is the best way to ‘be direct’ with you…lol… don’t you think squeezing your biceps would enough for most men?…lol… and referencing her hotel room?…lol

    why didn’t she ask for money?

    ohhh, i don’t know… maybe bc then she has to blow the cop for a freebie?…lol

    Why didn’t she suggest going to my hotel or me coming to her hotel?

    see above… although then it’s probably a bang for free…lol

    Why did she reject the idea of me going to her hotel (even though I didn’t say it!!) – that’s what a hooker should want surely?

    not if you are a cop… or a clueless tourist…lol

    it least you still have both kidneys…lol

    Even if she wanted to save the money discussion for later and wasn’t a true “professional” who discusses it upfront?

    maybe she did…lol… you didn’t hear what she first said to you…

    For that matter, forget money – if she was a hooker, why didn’t she give me that “fake hooker interest” and friendliness?

    what do you think those ‘unearned IOIs’ were?…lol

    She didn’t even laugh or smile I’ve been to enough strip clubs to know what the vibe of that feels like and this wasn’t it.

    maybe she was frustrated by your cluelessness…lol… or she could have been new…

    Except for the initial moments when her initial reaction to the locked eye contact was so strong (SHE engaged ME in conversation!!)

    ya mean with ‘fake hooker interest’?…lol

    that it triggered my “unearned IOIs” alarm, the rest of the interaction wasn’t like that at ALL. Except for the good kino response and squeezing my arm, non-prosecutable non-verbal offer for sex the conversation vibe was actually quite standoffish and aloof – just like the interaction ‘not a hooker’ would have (so non-prosecutable) but at the same time I’ve spoken to enough girls who give one word answers and want to exit the conversation ASAP that I know what that feels like – this wasn’t it. She was aloof..but she was still participating in the conversation.

    gots ta get that money for her ‘mom’…lol

    One thing occurs to me just now – what’s the relevance of the woman on the video call?

    that was just her mom…lol… don’t be so paranoid…lol

    She had the phone held up, but the woman can’t see everything – I’m not sure but I don’t think she could have seen my arm around the girl, and I don’t think she could have seen the girl squeeze my arm either. She could probably have heard our conversation – but even then I’m not sure how much – it’s a crowded street sidewalk at night and traffic etc and we weren’t shouting. Is it feasible that my girl was trying to express as much interest as possible without her “madam” seeing?

    ya, about the same as drug girl was really into you too…lol

    I really found this a very puzzling interaction but interesting. So much opportunity in the world out there..

    yep… AND you still got both your kidneys!!!

    so THAT’S a win for team Culum…lol

    good luck!

  56. Culum

    The only question is as HABD says how let go of that “rock in the river” that I’ve been stuck on for a couple of years now.

    just gotta do it…

    This. Stop “planning” and just start acting. Your “hey” was a great first step, not your fault it was a Mongolian hooker… Just keep ACTING as you spot stuff. And then act again when you spot more stuff. and again etc. That’s the whole cycle, just a series of interactions based on stimulus…

    And yeah DON’T go giving guys a lot of direct eye contact, unless you want to fight or bang them.

  57. Good stuff Palma…

    “The last few weeks have convinced me that women actually have no choice who they are attracted to so you should be able to pull most things at Will.”

    Nice. Now how far have you gotten into MM? Did you finish it? The lock in props are for her.

    Hard to tell from your narrative but with German it seems like you didn’t get to much compliance. Sure you venue hopped but it reads like you waited for her rather than other way around. Also didnt see any comfort/rapport.

    That said you gave up too easy on her dancing shit test. Which wasn’t much really. That was the time to roll off but stay in venue and chat up other girls and have her come circle back to you.

    Push/pull.

    With the right mentality now you will get this “younger girls” thing down. They are all just girls.

  58. Palma

    “I ask how they know each other and she says bloke is her partner and other woman is her sister.”

    The thing to do here and the other barmaid set is to engage the group. You had some iois from one sister… That’s transferable to the other you know… Anyhow you engage the group, become the AMOG then you venue bounce them. You walk into your bar hop with two hot girls… You now have options. You have the partnered sister… You have the free sister… You have preselection from coming in with two hot girls for the german and Korean… You merge sets forward… This is all at a very early part of the night yet…

    That’s MM. Chess not checkers.

    Also the rhythm of the night… Pay attention. While it may be possible to pull a girl who just ordered dinner before she gets it, I’d not bet that way. This doesn’t mean just wait around for Golden hour or garbage hour either. It’s just another variable you need to account for. The goal is isolation ata sex location right? So start planning the sequence to move things in that direction.

    One option with the group might be hey my place is round the corner let’s go drink and have dessert etc…

    Chess. Think a few more moves ahead and how you can move people into your design. Sure if you have a chance to hive a girl off you do it. But don’t give in so easy if that shot isn’t there.

  59. Palma

    Ahhh. So the German was on the bar hop as well?

    “I can’t believe what a chump he is ”

    Lol. That guy was way into black cock… Girl not as much….

  60. If they are on the bar top, and the group is bouncing. It’s not compliance. That’s what was missing. Didn’t quite grasp the sequence in your first telling.

    So with respect to Palma, where was the A2 from this girl? Just some general IOI at the beginning. Not much A2 from your report. I suspect the kiss was not on. As you sensed.

  61. Palma

    The Game is the Game because it works. It’s observable and repeatable.

    We can all try and fit the Game into our own predilections and reference experiences. The trouble with that it is inconsistent.

    When you go the other way, and fit your predilictions and experience into the Game, you make big leaps and get more consistent outcomes.

    Just takes Doing The Work. Part of the work is breaking down what happens when things don’t come off. To me that is the most valuable.

  62. Nice FR palmasailor. Age of consent is 16 in the UK? Would be inspiring if you get bang a few 16-20 year olds from cold approach! I was disappointed in Tylers attempts with the much younger girls in his final few videos before he rebranded/quit RSD. He was getting mainly rejected/ignored or getting the very occasional makeout (with the help of his wingwoman/girlfriend who seemed to kind of make it happen) and I couldn’t help but think it was his age, but would love to see some succeed as I’m certainly all about the much much younger girls. In terms of physical attractiveness, It isn’t even close to me. I do OK with girls my own age, but it’s feels damn hard to get legit attraction from some hot 18 year old!

  63. Hopefully will have an FR of my own tomorrow. Had a mildly hot spell, but last 2 weeks have been brutal. (Last weekend in particular!). Going out with a big time slayer dude tonight to do some nightgame which may or may not be a good idea for my mental health!! 🙂 (having hot girls opening him and outright flirting with him kills my state!)

  64. @Palma

    “I’m absolutely convinced that younger are easier than “age appropriate””

    Good to see you starting to question and try new things. But I have something for you to think about.

    Who determines what is age appropriate? Did you think it through one day and come to a decision about what is “age appropriate” or does that idea just seem to be there in your mind? (I’m trying to help you find another FI program executing in your mind that most men have been propagandized with.)

    Keep up the good work!

  65. @wentworth

    “Age of consent is 16 in the UK? Would be inspiring if you get bang a few 16-20 year olds from cold approach! I was disappointed in Tylers attempts with the much younger girls in his final few videos before he rebranded/quit RSD. He was getting mainly rejected/ignored or getting the very occasional makeout (with the help of his wingwoman/girlfriend who seemed to kind of make it happen) and I couldn’t help but think it was his age, but would love to see some succeed as I’m certainly all about the much much younger girls. In terms of physical attractiveness, It isn’t even close to me. I do OK with girls my own age, but it’s feels damn hard to get legit attraction from some hot 18 year old!”

    I agree with Palma’s response on this.

    16 year olds, huh? Really?

    whatevs…

    RE: RSD and ” Tyler ” in particular, back when YaReally was here, he’d consistently post up rsd stuff and he liked to point out how Tyler looked and that he was still banging ” hotties “, but in the videos posted that’s not what I ever saw. Hence, I never bought into all of the rsd bullshit hype. It was hype.

    Now, I’m not saying that the concepts they espoused weren’t helpful to a ton of men ( who wouldn’t take the time to read and digest MM ), but all those lousy assed infields didn’t make a lot of sense imo. Guys liked them and were encouraged by them, so there’s that.

    Lol, but now….

    ( smh…)

    Let me ask you a serious question wentworth, when you see the 2 dudes in the above video ( that I fast forwarded through mostly ), what’s your gut tell you about what they are saying and how ” sincere ” they are?

    ” Tyler ” can’t pull ” younger ” chicks because his ” game ” sucks ass and mostly always has. This shit is fake – but it provides encouragement.

    Another question for you to ponder – WHY is it ” harder” to pull younger chicks? Have you seriously asked yourself this?

    “but it’s feels damn hard to get legit attraction from some hot 18 year old!”

    Why?

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51aJdqo5RPL.SX466.jpg

    What’s the diff between an 18 year old hb8 and a 20 year old hb8 and a 27 year old hb8?

    What’s the diff between a 30-40 year old man and the average 18 year old ” hottie “?

    Clint Eastwood said ” A man’s gotta know his limitations “, lol, so what are the limiting factors?

    Question again ( trying to make you think ): if you really want that ” hot ” 18 year old ( I don’t know your age )( and I’m going to act like you never said anything about 16 year olds ), how much actual time do you spend around 18 year old girls that you aren’t trying to pull? What is it about that age range that is so foreign to you? How comfortable are you, and how much do you understand about 18 year old girls?

    Ask yourself Why Is It Hard?

    Stagnation kills. IF you want 18 year old ” hotties “, you have to get that they aren’t aliens from another world. They aren’t speshul. That’s all in your mind, and your mind can fuck you up.

  66. Sharing my current iteration of my game to compliment my looksmaxxing guide (https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-133/#comment-280398)

    Shoutout to Gunwitch, Saul Tee, Gabriel Grey, Teevster, Bacchus and JP for the inspiration.

    INNER GAME

    If you do nothing, you get nothing. Trying will make you feel good because you took a risk. She could be the one for you and even if she’s not interested, you’ll be able to exit gracefully. It can’t happen if the excuses you cling to, for fear of stepping outside of your comfort zone, get in your way.

    Anything that you’re not enjoying, take a step back and realizing and go ‘ok this is a bad situation but I get to choose how I feel about it’ I need to get in the present moment.

    OUTER GAME

    Spiking Buying Temperature

    Expressions: Tease, Disqualify, Takeaway, Self Amuse, Cold Read.

    INVESTMENT MODEL

    Expression -> Investment hoop -> Reward -> Explore Topic -> Repeat.

    Investing = Her qualifying herself, telling you a story, being compliant to your requests (buying you a drink), filling in gaps in the conversation. The more she invests, the more connected she’ll feel to you. And as she invests, just nod and eye fuck her.

    Investment hoop: Ask questions that’ll get her to brag about herself. And paints her in a way that is conductive to a FNL. So get her to brag about times she did something adventurous/spontaneous/took a risk/openminded. This way we exploit the Consistency Bias (“I am, whatever you say I am. If I wasn’t, then why would I say I am?” – Eminem).

    My favorite topics l like to talk about that allows me to get her to brag about times she demonstrated these traits conductive to FNLs: traveling, dating/relationships (which has the side benefit of also allowing me to demonstrate sexual authority/non judgmental/discreet and share sex stories and set a sexual frame to our interaction) and movies. Bring up these topics, get personal (what is it about X that you really like + whats your favorite/best/worst/most thing about X i.e. “what’s your favorite place you ever traveled to”?), reward, then stimulate her on our commonalities/world views (to exploit the Similarity Bias) by agreeing/pacing her response (to show that I “get her”) and relating a DHV story of your own. What you learned from it. Then ask her to describe the same experience back to you (have you ever experienced anything like that?/you know what I mean?).

    Demonstrating Higher Value

    Answer her questions in a way that provokes her to dig deeper.

    Say I want to talk about how I’m picky/have standards. A classic DHV. I’ll first start by asking her, “when’s the last time you had a boyfriend?” so that she’ll return the question back to me. I’ll then say, “oh I’ve actually never been in a relationship”. To provoke that, “Really? why not?” – Now I DHV because she asked. And therefore doesn’t come off as bragging.

    PULLING

    Deliver one final compliment before pulling the trigger:

    “you know I’m so glad I saw you standing over there. Its like the best conversation I’ve had in a long time. Your really deep I really like that.”

    Then:

    “you wanna get outta here?”
    “hey so its starting to get pretty shit here. you wanna continue this conversation somewhere else?”
    “I’m actually starting to get hungry, you wanna come get food with me?”

    If you get => “But my friends are here, I can’t leave them!” token resistance
    Then => “Your friends will be fine you can text them if you want. you got their phone number right?” aight and lead.

    If she still doesn’t want to leave her friends/go to your place. Then stay with her (or get another girl if you don’t want to). And at the end of the night, go with her to her place. “What area are you headed to? Oh (repeat area)?, shit I live like right near there, we should split an Uber.” When in the Uber with the girl, ask if you can use her restroom while you wait for another Uber to your place.

  67. @theasdgamer

    Well, who determines… on what level? Legal and cultural, it’s a co-operative effort of the èlite and the majority of people, not?
    Truth-wise… we know it’s usually below 18, and it can vary a lot depending on the person one is talking about.
    Some girls look more than ready to couple, and even to sink adult men’s lives for that matter, soon as they are 13.
    Others look as if they’d better remain virgins up to later than 20.

    This applies to men too. I had my first time at 24, and before then it would have been too early, for me.

  68. @Sentient, HABD, @j

    LOL. I deserved that I think.

    I did think she was a hooker 90%, just wasn’t certain because of the not asking for money etc plus the area is not a redlight area etc. Besides, it was an interesting experience out of nowhere, which was fun to see how far I could take it.

    Noted on the turning around/lack of leading.

    @HABD – yes, my posture improvements have carried over into daily life, outside of training. I’m not perfect and slouch sometimes, but for the most part, standing/sitting straight is unconscious and internalized now – aka I’m “on” all the time – if I catch myself in a shop window walking past I’m usually straight these days. That’s why I used that analogy – it’s a precise analogy to what I’m doing now with girls with the EC etc.

    I am just starting to learn the local language. I am here till sometime next spring. But in the interim I can certainly memorize some stuff and then “practice” 🙂

    PS – Apparently the RSD taking down videos may not have been entirely voluntary. Youtube is deleting those videos after the BBC show – I don’t know if they deleted the RSD videos or RSD just decided to stay ahead of the curve and do it themselves, but that was the impetus.

  69. uneventful FR i’m afraid, but i’ll do a writeup anyway. Went out with good looking mate.

    Opened a hot girl with amazing legs at the bar with a situational opener that I was gifted (some guy threw his pint glass at the barman because the barman wouldn’t serve this guys drunk girlfriend). Opened her about that. Laughed with her. Teased her. Done a little cold read and asked her who she was with. She was with a group of coke head guys who were playing pool a few meters away and she went back to them after getting served as she was buying their drinks.

    Went too a different bar. Opened a 4 set. All really tall! Pretty. Older than my ideal. Opened with an opinion opener. Haven’t used them in a while but this one was based on an actual convo me and my wing were having and it opened the set quite nicely (although not sure it would have opened the set if my wing was replaced with someone else lol). We all get talking, ask them about themselves, and within a minute 2 of them are talking about how hot my wing is lol. One of them is kind of using a push-pull line actually! Said something about how he’s too short for her, but she’s very attracted and that he’s ‘gorgeous’. I keep it playful and tell the girls that he’s always been the handsome one and I try to game the 3rd girl who is actually the prettiest one. I do some DHV stuff with a few short gambits/stories but It never really goes anywhere. She’s very receptive and talkative, but I don’t sense attraction. At this point the girls are deciding which one of them is gonna bang my friend (he’s at the bar getting the beers in. Little do they know that none of them have a shot)

    A few mins later I go to the bathroom and on the way there, I spot a 3 set. I’m adjusting my jeans on the way to the bathroom and I see her kind of notice this, and I say to her ”Paid £50 for these jeans and i’ve got a fivers worth stuck up my ass” and she laughs. I high 5 her and walk to the bathroom. She’s like a 6 maybe. Come out 2 mins later and she’s kind of looking in my direction again so I walk towards her and open her. She’s with 2 friends. One of them is gorgeous. I ask how they all know each other and stuff. One of them asks who i’m with and I point to my wing and she’s now begging me to bring him over. I tease her and then go back to my wing with the idea of getting him to leave the girls he’s speaking with and joining me with the other girls but get a bit sidetracked with conversation with these tall girls.

    10 mins later and the girl I opened earlier (bathroom girl) walks past me and slaps my arse but didn’t break stride. Few mins later I see her again walked past me, with her friends this time, like they are leaving. I say ‘HEY!” and she walks back and tell me ”You never came back!!! :)” I ignore it and we chat for a few seconds and then I tell her to put her number in my phone which she does. (Tall girls saw this and called me a ‘player’ lol)

    Tall girls make one final play for my friend, tell him again that he’s hot and she’s attracted and kind of ask if he wants to come back with her, but he blows her off and they leave.

    Go too a different bar – open a girl who is much more my type. 19. blonde. Really pretty. Open her with a comment on her trainers. I’m asking her questions in a breaking rapport fashion a bit like Julien’s advice for how to ‘hook’ after opening. Play around with her answers a bit and break rapport etc, and dhv, but she got distracted by some guys she knows and before I knew it she was in the middle of a group of 5 dudes lol..

    I spot bathroom girl. Re-open. Chat. I Decide that i’m not really a fan of her personality and she’s not all that hot and my wing thought he saw her kissing some guy a few mins earlier too, and i’m not into it.

    I spot bathroom girls much hotter friend although I have a famously AWFUL memory and in the moment I thought it was another girl I might have met a few weeks prior (similar face) so I say ‘Hey, do we know each other?’ And she’s like ”yeah, you were hitting on my friend earlier in xbar”. She looks kinda pissed about something actually and kind of hostile. Looked flustered. And she’s hanging around the bottom of the stairs by herself like she’s in the middle of something. Argument with a friend or something. Who knows. I should have tried to plow here, but I ejected (my fault. Bad habit I have when girls don’t seem to want to talk)

    A girl I used to go to school with opens me. I chat with her and then sit with her friends. At this point my wing has gone. I’m solo. We all chat. I start chatting to the girl next to me. She’s ok looking. Not amazing. It starts off well and i’m’ cold reading and telling stories about how I now the mutual friend we have etc. 2 girls are about to leave and ask the girl i’m talking too if she is coming and she’s like ‘nah, i’m gonna stay here for a bit’. I’m thinking it’s looking good. Shortly after though, it just seemed to die. Definitely my fault as I kind of just felt like i’d ‘ran out of things to say’. It went quiet for too long and just seemed to kill the mood lol. I didn’t have that issue at all with the tall girl. I think I struggle if the other person isn’t talkative.

    Spot an absolute stunner (my 9) sitting down with a friend and she’s wearing a sachet in a tiny pink dress and is celebrating her 18th birthday. I pussy out of the approach !!! grrrrr

    Bit drunk by this point and it’s annoying as there was definitely another interaction in there somewhere which was my best one of teh night in terms of I remember definitely feeling attraction from the girl for the 1st time that night, and she was quite cute. It was the only interaction with actual flirting. I think it was shortly before I spoke to the girl who was the friend from school. Just half memories. Think I opened her at the bar, chatted. Teased and showed some intent and stuff and she flirted back. She ejected when some people she knew came in though, but a few times she was looking at me and smiling and I could tell I had a shot at least. Just have half memories and am not sure why I didn’t re-approach!

  70. Hey all. Thought I would give a quick update. It is quarter of the way into the school year, and I can happily report that I am on track to reclaim the number one spot in my class (valedictorian). My wrestling training is going really well, and I feel primed to make a dominant state run this year en route to my second state title. Virtually all of my time has been dedicated to training and studying, so I have kinda entered a bit of a monk mode.

    Last night was my school’s homecoming, and I grinded with a lot of girls. One HB8 honestly and a couple HB 6-7. Fun story I did a DHV when this one girl wanted to dance with was dancing with someone else, so I cut in on this scrub and pushed him away and danced with that girl. I went to a couple after parties and it was quite the scene being my first real hs parties I had been to. It baffled me how blue pilled my classmates are with there lifestyle of “drink, party, maybe hookup repeat. Be blissfully ignorant and escape the reality that in 5 years for us we will have to deal with the real world prepared or not. I talked to a couple chicks and got their snaps throughout the night. I Had a little bit of chemistry, but I did not hookup with anyone last night. (Although one of the girls I quite raunchily danced with had to be DTF and I am working on getting her over to my place soon to hookup) Last night was the first time in a while I was kinda sucked back into the hookup mindset of snapping all these young self important thots to entertain them to try to get in there pants. That lifestyle seems to take too much time for me and what I am trying to do, so I have been operating in monk mode most of this year so far.

    However there is a cost I am noticing with my intense training and studying schedule, my game is a bit off. I feel like my game is so rusty, and being that I do not dedicate much time at all these days working on it in the field bc of my schedule to achieve my goals, I have not had much chance to perfect my craft. I feel like my confidence is definitely there, I know that if any girl has the opportunity to spend any amount of time with me she should consider herself lucky, but my calibration seems a bit off. I think I am coming on too strong at times. What is annoying is that I am a physically attractive guy, so I feel like I should be able to get with whoever I want if my game was solid.

    What I am getting at is that I am a little perplexed on what my future course of action should be. On one hand I could talk to more of these girls (who won’t matter in 10 months) and try to get more bangs with the potential cost of my time allocation being a little derailed with trying to accomplish my goals. Or I could delay the gratification more and extend my monk mode throughout the whole year to put myself in the best spot to succeed in my college athletic and academic goals even if that means I might not bang anyone this year. If I choose the ladder course of action, which is probably what I will continue, I think I should use college more of a training ground to work my game in an environment that won’t be as time draining due to proximity and sexual availability of girls in college etc. My biggest fear is that in the next 10-15 years I put in so much hard work and build myself to where I am successful professionally and have a lot of status, only to find that either A. Nobody my age or younger is even worth marrying and having a family with or B. My game is not strong enough to garner a longterm mate in spite of future wealth and status because I focused so much on personal goals(this seems unlikely though) Time will tell if my hard work will be worth it, but I got to keep delaying gratification and shooting high with who I will become in life, just sometimes I feel blackpilled about the SMP in 10-15 years that none of these girls will even be somewhat worth it just based on how much the Feminine Imperative has fucked them up now and we are only 17-18. Are these worries irrational? This dynamic of the longterm effects for me of delaying gratification has been on my mind a lot the past day, so I figured I could use some advice from experienced people like you all.

  71. And yes before you guys flame me for entertaining ideas of fools mate, in my defense homecoming at my school is a bit more of a special occasion where girls have less inhibitions.

  72. It was my latest squeeze’s birthday yesterday. I just got home after being away for a couple of weeks. She comes over on my request & I’m tired so just make us both a quick gourmet 2 minute noodle meal as she wanted to go out to a community film nite. When we get home I present her with a very basic shop bought cake with candles and some sexy lingerie. She giggled and cooed. As she was in the red zone, for ‘her birthday’ I got 2 enthusiastic balls popping blow jobs (CIM) that night and another first thing in the morning, all because she loves it! She’s also 17 years younger than the ole Fox, but she is kinda crazy, which more often than not goes with territory of being up for wild sex on command. She recently told me she’s “basically up for anything with me…” which will be interesting, biut i’m still a little wary and maintain a strong dominant frame with her at all times which she responds to in a submissive manner. I’m currently training her to push past her gag reflex to learn to deep throat me. It’s so much fun when a sexy woman just wants to please you. Today she briefly returned with extra groceries for me before quickly leaving saying, “Call me when you want to see me…” to which I replied as she walked off, wiggling her nice booty, “Come over when you’re ready to fuck again…” She turned and smiled, raised her eyes, then continued to her car and took off, giving me space, once again…

  73. Palma

    ” I think their hindbrain is programmed to breed with the FITTEST RIGHT NOW!”

    Welcome to capital G Game…

  74. YoungShagger

    my game is a bit off.

    YS – look you are a noob. You have NO game. and you haven’t been practicing. Having accomplishments is not = to Game.

    my calibration seems a bit off. I think I am coming on too strong at times.

    Yup. Confidence and entitlement not = to Game.

    What is annoying is that I am a physically attractive guy, so I feel like I should be able to get with whoever I want if my game was solid.

    yeah… Elliot Rodger kinda thought this too. It’s not how Attraction works.

    On one hand I could talk to more of these girls (who won’t matter in 10 months) and try to get more bangs with the potential cost of my time allocation being a little derailed with trying to accomplish my goals. Or I could delay the gratification more and extend my monk mode throughout the whole year to put myself in the best spot to succeed in my college athletic and academic goals even if that means I might not bang anyone this year.

    These are false choices. You can and should be able to be successful athletically and academically and get laid. Others are. Oh yeah – that girl you think won’t matter in 10 months, just might be the one who unlocks a winning attitude you will bring into your female relationships for the rest of your life…

    If I choose the ladder [sic] course of action, which is probably what I will continue, I think I should use college more of a training ground to work my game in an environment that won’t be as time draining due to proximity and sexual availability of girls in college etc.

    It’s easier to hope the future will be different than to do the actions to change the present. This is a form of buffering.

    Time will tell if my hard work will be worth it, but I got to keep delaying gratification and shooting high with who I will become in life, just sometimes I feel blackpilled about the SMP in 10-15 years that none of these girls will even be somewhat worth it just based on how much the Feminine Imperative has fucked them up now and we are only 17-18. Are these worries irrational?

    Irrational? Yes. dangerously so. I’d worry more about understanding intersexual dynamics than attaining external status…

    https://i0.wp.com/therationalmale.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/open_hypergamy_cartoon.jpg

  75. @YoungShagger

    “Although one of the girls I quite raunchily danced with had to be DTF and I am working on getting her over to my place soon to hookup”

    No need to stay in monk mode. Look for the low hanging fruit like this so you don’t have to invest a lot of time. In particular look for:

    1) Girls who chat you up while giving IOIs (for example pay attention to what they do with their hands)
    2) Girls who show up to watch or cheer wrestling

    Then isolate with something innocent, “study session”, “netflix”. Have fun!

  76. At that dance this weekend I did not bang that girl I cut in to dance with. And then there was another opportunity later in the night at a party where I was talking to this girl and then got her to sit on my lap for a couple minutes, but I did not escalate enough or start kissing her fast enough before her friends who were her ride later told her they were going and she left after a couple of minutes where she was on my lap. I feel like I missed 2 bangs honestly thinking about it now and now I am left with snapchats of missed bangs.

    @culum @J

    What advice or tips do you have to Improve my snapchat game and make these targets live again?

  77. “Unfortunately I seem to have a mental block on how he should escalate”

    First carry a condom, second, naturally go in for the make out escalate from there on the baseball game,2nd,3rd and home run. The nice part is at 17 logistics are closets, stairwells, church bathrooms any place where adults are ignoring the pains in the ass youth.

  78. Redlight

    Look I get the concept: attract, connect, seduce. The issue I am having which I have said before, is that my proximity to new prospects on a daily basis is suboptimal, so I usually end up with a snapchat, but I am trying to figure out how I can get my snapchat game better so I can facilitate future lays with.

    And Wahoo that is what I did not capitalize soon enough on the other night.

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