For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
Let me clarify what I mean by proximity. On my daily routine I do not encounter many new prospects because I am usually at school studying or training mostly. But the real issue is my time allocation. It would be optimal to get girls that are DTF on deck so I can just call if I want to bang, that way I do not waste time. Like I said before though, a lot of this would go smoother if I had a more concrete idea how to apply the MM to snapchat game, and overall just implementation of the MM.… Read more »
Young shager, i was a 17yo HS wrestler once, we didn’t do snapchat way back so don’t even know what it is. My steady girl was a cheerleader and I would walk her home after practice, we would stop at the cafe when we had time for sodas and fries,she would let me over when she was babysitting after the little ones were asleep. The rest of my time was spent at the local college student lounge shooting pool on the reg tables for .01 a min.(where I pulled a few SNLs) and at the college weight room. Had a… Read more »
@youngshagger For a girl who already knows you, like the girl who sat in your lap, you will use snap to establish an emotional connection and find a shared interest. By emotional connection it means you will make her feel a range of emotions, both by the snaps you send her and how you react to hers. Finding a shared interest gives you a reason to meet and isolate. Any plausible reason will do, such as you can help her with the school work shown in her last snap. Once you meet then you move to seduction. Don’t use snap… Read more »
@wahoo “church bathrooms any place where adults are ignoring the pains in the ass youth” …church…reminds me…how do you ignore the pains in the ass adults? Or get them to leave you alone? lol, there was a broad at church who was going all out to get me to take some cake she brought…she didn’t try to push the cake on anybody else…Mrs. Gamer doesn’t sit with me there, so people might infer that we aren’t happy…from the beginning to the end of the service, the pushy broad keeps trying to get me to take some cake…obviously a strong IOI…not… Read more »
“Lol, a big cup of Ratt to start the day!!!!!”
lol, I couldn’t give a Ratt’s ass
“Any one else ever see the blankets bouncing at the park or beach?”
no, just chevy vans
Wahoo
“Any one else ever see the blankets bouncing at the park or beach?”
Hehe
When 15 or so. Fishing at a little lake which fronted a four lane highway with stoplights. Dude throws a blanket over he and girl and pumps away. Cars stopped at the light witness the motion. Old men amd ladies honking their horns, disgusted.
It was 1 PM after all…
Young Shagger, have you read mystery method? If you have then you understand that there are instinctive reasons inherent to your nature that will stop you from escalating the sexual nature of the encounter in a public setting. ie, the girl on your lap. this is a survival mechanism and not a bad thing so don’t kick yourself for passing the opportunity, as there are and were better ones all around you that you aren’t aware of. First off, in a school setting that is chaperoned you shouldn’t spin plates for physical sex, you either get a steady or jump… Read more »
Palma Physical competence… thats the DHV It’s a very primal thing, her seeing you do something, almost anything really, with your hands, especially around the house. The opposite is her seeing you sitting on your ass watching TV. Goes back to “will their be Mastodon meat or not?”… For a while I got very complacent, was much cheaper and easier to just have someone fix things, do stuff etc. Never had any issues but after I started doing projects around the house again, saw a big uptick. Little stuff… change this or that. Nothing major even. Just activity, that didn’t… Read more »
Much bigger impact than a big check…
Palmasailor
I’m in shorts and shitty clothes and they’re giggling like schoolgirls, flicking their hair behind their ears and offering me “work” at their place
They are not like schoolgirls, they are all girls. It’s just how they are.
That 40-something or 50-something professional woman in the power suit? With the right sensory input she’ll giggle just as she did when she was 16 years old. Her inner teenager wants to come out and play; the hair twining is just the same as it was then, too.
Sentiient
DHV around the house
+1
I’ve been told to post here,so here is my story: I am a 29 year old eastern european living in the UK. I am an engineer and make some good money, lift 3-4 times a week, do occasianally some mma in the evenings, ok dressed, but 5ft6 and balding :(. And guess what I can’t get pussy to save my life :D. I am thinking of taking the black pill. Just don’t see a way out of this, i bang hookers eveery now and then :D. I think black pill guys have it right, some things are genetics and you… Read more »
obviously I am not some alpha chad to offset that.
Frankie Edgar is 5’6″… Been 5’6″ a long time…
http://cs617926.vk.me/v617926818/1bbdf/MEP_GlYMyF0.jpg
“hear me on the street with my accent”
Have you ever watched “A Fish Called Wanda?” Many women are turned on by foreign accents.
Your problem isn’t what you think it is.
“I feel like I missed 2 bangs honestly thinking about it now and now I am left with snapchats of missed bangs.” Youngshagger…. Uh no, they weren’t missed bangs. They were never-to-be bangs. Missed bangs are what PUA’s tell you to keep you on the hook to their go-to, soi-distant-never-fail algorithm hokum bullshit. It’s like kfg saying “I had to get divorced because this or that death and murder so I had to flee”. It’s back building a story for not getting the bigger picture IRT long before the failure-of-result happened. Know thyself and all this shit is superfluous. Most… Read more »
“Physical competence… thats the DHV
It’s a very primal thing, her seeing you do something, almost anything really, with your hands.”
Yeah. Todd talks about this in The System under evolutionary answers as to what is “Value”:
https://imgur.com/a/PLOIqcB
Her watching you play the guitar, cooking, driving, playing sports…exceedingly well with absolute focus will turn her on. In a meta sort of way, gaming her well, “knowing the dance”, accomplishes the same.
@palmasailor – ”Dunno, going out with a wing that good looking seems like needless hard mode. I did it by accident a few weeks back and he was a bloody liability because he was basically on fools mate.” lol – yeah, it’s not ideal. It’s an absolute eye-opener, though! If he was to write FR’s and stuff online, people would assume his game is amazing, but it’s really not! (starting to think that’s the case with the LR’s I read) Anyway, whatever. We still have a laugh. I’d rather game with him than go solo tbh Been in a bit… Read more »
@Palmasailor I don’t know, I just… I want a healthy balanced life, good job, social circle, some pussy, that’s it. Nothing too much really. @Sentient I am a Frankie fan, the guy is a beast, former champ, but he is an outlier. There is also Chad Mendes, same height top 5 in featherweight who got a 5ft10 blonde. But these guys are top 0.001% in their field that gives them sort of a preselection stuff, doesn’t it? What about avg 5ft6 guy who is not top in anything and not alpha? @theasdgamer I guess it’s not a problem most of… Read more »
Aqualinespirit
that gives them sort of a preselection stuff, doesn’t it? What about avg 5ft6 guy who is not top in anything and not alpha?
That first link (pic did not display) is Frankie in high school. That girl with him then is the same girl he is with now. From when he was nobody, just a short guy with an attitude.
Outliers all start from the same place. They make a decision. Demonstrable Alpha is the culmination of choices.
Aquaman 10 point action plan Get Tinder Plus, use Passport feature to change location, and set up many meetups before you go on holiday (or travel to the location). Also get on Facebook dating (I’m starting to get good results). Join a public speaking club and give speeches. Take Improv classes. Read Mystery Method and watch videos on pickup. Key: boring kills attraction. On free days (weekends etc.) do both a day activity and an evening activity that involves a social setting with plenty of women, and talk to multiple women at each. Check local event calendars. Take various one-time… Read more »
And as yareally said about a weekend almost here:
It’s Halloween weekend. There is NO better weekend of the year to be out, solo or with a group. No one cares about age since everyone is in masks and shit
Intellect
I am trying to wrap my head around the core of what you are saying. Are you saying essentially not to overthink my female interaction action and to not be so formulaic? I feel like I am missing something but let me know.
YS
@YoungShagger I can’t speak for EhIntellect. He commented to you after we had an hour and a half talk on the phone last night. And I mentioned to him, your situational questions. There is a lot to figure out in Process. Which is a thing you will figure out in how to proceed. How to become Valedictorian. How to be State Champ in wrestling. “Are you saying essentially not to overthink my female interaction action and to not be so formulaic? “ I think you got the question right/correctly… You are not binary nor is any given experience ATM fixed… Read more »
@J – The ultimatemanproject product (book?) out yet?
Hey!
Anyone here knows where I can download Gunwitch’s product “Way of Gun”?
Thanks in advance.
Youngshagger, You’re understanding it well enough. Any given situation is a combination of the sensible known (physical, emotional, intellectual) AND that which can not be quantified (this part TRM refuses to address, fyi). Science is an observation of nature. It is not NATURE. RP is an observation of the intersexual dynamic. It is definitely not THE dynamic. Free advice is generally worth what it costs you. Therefore I’m not likely to tell you to do anything specific. I do want you to understand some concepts, though. PUA and MM and such speak to the known as they prefer to see… Read more »
@passerby Don’t have it. Way of Gun is one of his earlier products. Without much technical game. More 101 basic shit that we all know today. So you’re not missing out. His 2013 product, Seduction MMA, is the one I would really recommend. If you haven’t checked it out already (GirlsChase interviewed Gun a couple months ago, if you wanna listen to a quick 30 minute overview first (https://www.girlschase.com/content/gunwitch-basics-seduction-mma-podcast) (SMMA Link here: https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-123/#comment-277584) @scars Not yet. David Swift said on their Facebook group that the book is now complete. They had to make a couple of changes which caused the… Read more »
“More 101 basic shit that we all know today. So you’re not missing out.” Gunwitch back in 2013 on his old method (this was before SMMA) : Remember this was like 2000, there was 2 pages of mystery method, double your dating and speed seduction. We didn’t exactly have what many would call captain obvious materials laying around to just be grabbed up and studied. It’s easy to Monday morning quarterback when you’ve learned all the principles I brought back from the field after years of practice, on the first day you entered the community. If you arrived in 1999… Read more »
@aqualinespirit Having a lot of money won’t necessarily make you happy. Having desire sex with a hot girl won’t necessarily make you happy either. But having the skills to get all that can bring a lot of fulfilment to your life. Sort it out. So first things first. 5ft6 and balding Too much focus on that, you have other internal things to worry about. [Rollo’s spam filter doesn’t like the link to 5ft2 Cupid Shmupid watching his pickup videos with his girlfriend, you can look it up on youtube] I think black pill guys have it right, some things are… Read more »
Youngshagger, “I feel like I am missing something but let me know.” You’re asking all the right questions as your conscience senses incongruity. Good on you. Try it this way: “Not overthinking” isn’t the lack of thought as purity isn’t the lack of dirt. They are two wholly different states of existence. Imagine this: You are to wrestle a chump so you slapdash any few moves and reverses and takedowns for fun and it really doesn’t matter much if your technique is stellar as he’s got nothing. This is what the manosphere generally describes as “not overthinking” They don’t know… Read more »
@j ”but the hook stage is always iffy” Is gun talking about how he finds it difficult to ‘hook’ the set (which would then give him a chance to run the ‘3 keys’?) even now? (I think he says that in the interview too) I find hooking the hardest thing by far, but often, if I AM able to reach to hook point, i’m able to do well almost on autopilot (presumably hitting the 3 keys naturally by just trying to be fun and also flirting etc) But then again, that COULD be because my game ‘post hook’ is decent,… Read more »
@ford “Is gun talking about how he finds it difficult to ‘hook’ the set (which would then give him a chance to run the ‘3 keys’?)” Yeah. The purpose of hooking (attraction) is to buy you time, so you can run the three keys on her (seduction). Which is what we want to do, if we want to give ourselves the highest % of getting what we want. “if I AM able to reach to hook point” “there’s also the nagging thought that the girls who hook simply like how I look (and so LET me hook) and thus they… Read more »
@J – I prefer some of your examples to Gunwitches (more on that in a bit) Yes, I want to get better at hooking girls who AREN’T into how i look. Usually I ask girls in the morning why/when they liked me, and it’s basically always along the lines of ‘You just had the look I go for so when you said hi, I decided we’d probably hook up’ kind of thing. (ps – not to make it sound like i’m some sort of handsome stud. That’s not the case as ALL! But i’ve learnt there are some hot girls… Read more »
All right guys. Been going through a lot. First breakup, learning a lot, mostly that I’m not over it when I mistakenly thought I was, even though it’s been a long time. Moving on: I’ve been listening to the Mystery Method audible book for a couple days now, got Palma’s book on the “Bean Farmer” type routines and been sifting through that. I’m trying to get into a headspace where I can start practicing Game. Feels very overwhelming. Anyway, this is not really a “field report” and this is gonna be rough. But this is where I’m at. So, market.… Read more »
Ford
You never listen so…
“not to make it sound like i’m some sort of handsome stud. That’s not the case as ALL! But i’ve learnt there are some hot girls out there who have unique taste when it comes to looks! I’ve banged some girls that my mates literally can’t believe, and I know it was down to ‘looks’!)”
You realize that is an inconsistent statement right?
Softek
Welcome to conscious game. So now you have Approach Anxiety. Time to get to work. And lose the self deprecating humor. You are not in a Woody Allen movie.
@ford
yes, that opener was a joke, like the one Rollo linked to:
https://twitter.com/rationalmale/status/1182361033253388288?s=21
Foreign opener:
Your cunt really is nice to strangers
(repeating your country is …)
Local:
Tits very loud in here, but I can read your tits
@Sentient Noted. Also going over “When I Say No I Feel Guilty” audible book as recommended by SJF a long time ago. The self deprecating humor is a symptom of a lack of assertiveness/low self worth and I agree I should ditch it. It is not in line with how I want to be perceived or how I want to perceive myself. It comes out as a manifestation of anxiety and an urge to ‘correct’ the anxiety. The bodily sensations feel similar as to when someone asks me to do something and I automatically feel obligated to say “yes,” or… Read more »
A couple of quick data points from me: -Was just in a trendy coffee shop. Full of English speaking tourists. Australian couple late 20s come in. Girl is blonde HB6 (well, I like blondes and big tits – some of you would call her a HB5.5). Boyfriend obviously beta. Girl opens me (something about the coffee I’m drinking). Asks if I’m a tourist too or I live her. I’m telling her about my training etc and she’s eating it up “Oh that’s so cool” etc (and then BF joined conversation and built me up too). Frustratingly, I can TELL I’m… Read more »
@Palma No, I didn’t reinitiate with Facebook girl. She did. She was thinking about my comment all week, and she reinitiated. THEN I said we should meet up if we’re in the same town etc. She’s definitely keen, no doubt about it. The rest of your post I agree with. Honestly, it’s not practical for me to go all the way to see her – even when I’m back in the states, I don’t travel anywhere near her. I don’t really care to bang her either – I mean sure I would if it was offered up on a plate,… Read more »
PS – The Facebook girl story I only mentioned because it came so soon after Conference Girl and was so similar. Similar dynamics etc. Interesting how an abject beta like my teenage/early 20s self could still leave enough of an impact for these girls to hit me up so much later.
Culum
“why did she message me in the first place if no group? Just how much was she thinking about me for the last week before reinitiating??”
The fuck I am reading here? You KNOW why.
Too much talk about PUA/life coach grifters.
Palma “But the thing is, if I really can’t see a route to the mattress (which I couldn’t with the slim hot women at the bar last week) then I take whatever fun I can get and move on to one where I can see a route to the mattress.” Well that’s pretty much what Culum is doing here, except he’s cloaking it in feigned ignorance… 😉 I’m with HABD, push all the sets as hard as you can – especially when you are fighring things out or practicing. It’s only “free” validation for them if you actually give them… Read more »
Palma
To be clear “pushing” in this context means staying in set and running your best, calibrated game, with the goal of banging SNL.
Quick FR for the brain-trust Went to Brighton to see a gig with old friends I a bar before hand and there’s a 3-set. All average. Use it to warm up and approach them and tell them they look kinca grungy and ask if they’re going to the gig. They laugh. I tease one about her boots (they’re super unusual. Brighton is a very ‘quirky’ area!). My friend joins the set. I pic the one I like and cold read her and she tells me she’s Spanish. I say something lke ”Is it true what they say about Spanish girls?”… Read more »
Oh, also last weeks FR I mentioned a girl who I was chatting too and it seemed to be going well but she just left with her friends kind of abruptly even though I kind of sensed attraction
My friend told me last night that his girlfriend is a friend of a friend of that girl, and she’s been asking about me and apparently likes me so watch this space as i’m sure she’ll feature in a future FR -See if I can mes it up or not 😉
@IRL “Where are you with talking to girls in social settings? Girls are where you find them.” Yeah, about that, I haven’t spoken with a girl in social setting since i broke up with my ex 2 years go, only chatting on tinder and POF,etc. I rarely go out, a bit nervous in social settings, I just go to work,gym,home. That’s it. I don’t know where to meet women or how to start, which is why i tried the online dating apps. Another problem is that i have no social circle, no friends, nothing, I have a few friends but… Read more »
Aqualinespirit
Well you’ll have to get out of your house. Go to coffee shops, food courts and bars at happy hour to start. Socialize.
“my friends are calling me from across the road saying we need to go into the bar together as he’s reserved a place or something and I leave the girls. I don’t know why I didn’t ask them to come with me. They were straight up gorgeous”.
lol
aqualinespirit So what are you going to do about it? And how can we help you? At least you are starting with step 1. Admitting you have a problem. Or are you really doing that? Start with socializing with men. They tend to be more straightforward. And have purpose, mission and goals. If you don’t socialize, perhaps cut down on internet usage and read some non-fiction books as guidance. Go out there and befriend some solid guys. Get a mentor, or at least seek one out. And don’t have apprehensions about socialization. Because you are going to socialize in order… Read more »
@Sentient – hahaha, yes you’re right. Of course I know, it’s more just…noting it I guess (she replied telling me she is probably terminally ill with cancer but is undergoing treatment and she’ll look me up if she survives and comes to my city). @Palma – that’s the big change in my attitude. I’ve done plenty of being focussed on the goal and I’ve banged lots of girls. I’m consciously trying to step back and just be social all the time. Which in this case, yes, means talking to a girl (and her bf) with no path to the finish… Read more »
Sure enough is.
I see what you guys are doing there. Chapter 37 from You Are Not So Smart by David McRaney: Quote: Learned Helplessness THE MISCONCEPTION: If you are in a bad situation, you will do whatever you can do to escape it. THE TRUTH: If you feel like you aren’t in control of your destiny, you will give up and accept whatever situation you are in. In 1965, a psychologist named Martin Seligman started shocking dogs. He was trying to expand on the research of Pavlov—the guy who could make dogs salivate when they heard a bell ring. Seligman wanted to… Read more »
My cut and paste on learned helplessness was meant to go in the regular thread The Truth About Standards in regards to commenter Aeon and Aqualinespirit regarding large hurdles in front of them. That’s what the “I see what you are doing there” meant. And what the mind steps on it’s own foot in doing normal human thinking. It is not meant to be pejorative. It is meant to avoid groupthink and go forward in a masculine way to be successful at what you want to do. That book by McRaney is really good. It’s short and breezy, unlike Robert… Read more »
A hypothetical question about the phenomenon of monkey branching: what if a woman was monkey branching to you? Is it a red flag?
@Escarole – I wouldn’t think monkey branching in itself is a red flag – it’s part of female psychology. But would depend on the precise circumstances and sometimes could be a red flag. @Palma – indeed the hold-drink thing is a very useful compliance tool from your end as well. If YOU give your drink to a girl and tell her to hold it till you get back (and she does), you’ve essentially locked in with her and prevented (or at least made it much more difficult) for her to forget you and go off with another guy. Classic Mystery… Read more »
Palma “having made her work for it…” Yeah it’s in the book. These things are all about compliance and dominance/frame tests. Mystery says she gives you a compliance hoop to jump through, take her hoop, reframe and male her jump through yours first. So here she asks you to hold her drink, so in your social setting you don’t want to say No! So take her hoop (her request) and make her jump through yours. Her: Hold my drink. You: I only hold drinks for girls that dance. Do a little dance for me. Her: (dances) You: (taking drink) hmmmm… Read more »
Palma
“Mystery says she gives you a compliance hoop to jump through, take her hoop, reframe and male her jump through yours first.”
I should add – this is one way to handle. You can reject of course. And so can she. Again it’s a diagnostic, she defies you know you need to build more attraction.
Go back to the ioi- iod loop… Which is in MM!
It might be worth it for you.
@SJF Thanks for sharing these. It was an interesting read, but i don’t think there is a point in reading the books, i have read so much over the years – Rational male, Dave Diangelo alphamale, Carlos Xuma’s How to become alpha male, No More Mr Nice Guy, lots of articles on GirlsChase,etc. I have read a lot of theory basically but so difficult to put into practice. I understand everything is more or less a skill and can be learned with practice. But when i learn engineering or lifting,mma, i only get frustrated or pissed off when i fail… Read more »
but how do I fix that?
By making a wish on a falling star!
errr… No. Not that. By fucking Doing the Work(TM) and getting after it. Until then, no coffee for you.
Plama
heh… all tongue in cheek… 😉
But if the ass fits, kick it!
“But with socialising/women its more than that, when i fail i get fuckin depressed and i hate it, and i don’t want to try again. I am ok with physical pain, but emotional/social is so different. How do you deal with that, any advice? I didn’t go to a few weddings of some good friends of mine because i didn’t want to be the socially akward guy in there, sitting alone in the corner and I hate when that happens, so I avoid situations like these, but how do I fix that?” I don’t really know. I’ve never known any… Read more »
aqualinespirit It may just be my solipsism, but I totally disagree with your assertion that reading stuff is of no value. It is of no value in you becoming better at socializing because you aren’t putting any of what you read into action. You are just resting on it. Why is it that you think that knowing and learning and reading stuff isn’t of any value. Give a rundown of that. Why? Not attending a wedding or two because you think it won’t provide value is clinically retarded thinking. With a loving care placed on the term clinically retarded. It… Read more »
Aquilinespirit Step 4. In the Hero’s Journye is: Meeting the Mentor In which the Hero acquires a personal trainer. The Hero’s decided to go on the adventure — but they’re not ready to spread their wings yet. They’re much too inexperienced at this point and we don’t want them to do a fabulous belly-flop off the cliff. Enter the mentor: someone who helps the Hero, so that they doesn’t make a total fool of themselves (or get themselves killed). The mentor provides practical training, profound wisdom, a kick up the posterior, or something abstract like grit and self-confidence. Wise old… Read more »
“If it’s worth it to anyone speak up and I’ll do it.”
Yes, I would be interested. I’ve got a first date from online Thursday night meeting at local bar.
@Palma I’m absolutely convinced that younger are easier than “age appropriate” by an enormous margin and I know for a fact that it’s just my mental logic gates that have been lousing this up. NO. Younger girls ie: 20-29 year old ATTRACTIVE HB7 and up need much tighter game because 1. they get so much douchebag attention from EVERYONE 2. Most guys their age are soy boys. I’m now plating 2 girls in their 20’s (the third one dropped out). The 24 year old wants the fantasy she sees in those action films of a guy who knows how to… Read more »
Palma/Wala “I’m absolutely convinced that younger are easier than “age appropriate” by an enormous margin and I know for a fact that it’s just my mental logic gates that have been lousing this up. NO. Younger girls ie: 20-29 year old ATTRACTIVE HB7 and up need much tighter game because 1. they get so much douchebag attention from EVERYONE 2. Most guys their age are soy boys.” Well let’s be more specific gents. You talking about SNL from cold approach? Generally need tight game all around and logistics. Generally [pay attention to that qualifier spergs] younger girls are easier to… Read more »
Morpheus I’ve got a first date from online Thursday night meeting at local bar. The meet should be at a place you choose, not her. A place you know and have social proof in (i.e. you will be greeted by managers, hostesses, bartender, waitresses etc.). A place near your sex location. First drink at the bar, easier to kino, first bounce to a table or couch area, sit side by side if possible. If you have to move to a table put her facing you, not her back to the wall and you facing her. You are the focus not… Read more »
1. Pre-plan logisitcs for insta-date. 2. Meet women in non-sexual business environments, such as networking breakfasts, seminars, community board meetings, etc. 2. Pitch a bounce to breakfast (or lunch?) and expect a lot of shit testing when you do. 3. Have breakfast (or lunch?) and run outcome independent game as usual. Put up with shit testing in non-reactive way. Do not bring up a day2. No kino or sexual stuff. 4. Later, pitch day2 dinner date over telephone call or worst case, email. Call in early afternoon and pitch dinner for that night. 5. Have dinner date 10 minutes from… Read more »
lol J… You know that is how about 99% of the world in the last 50 years came to being born?
What does that gotta do with telling guys in 2019, if they wanna bang 33+ year old women as fast as possible (cause it’s like really really super hard to SNL 33+ year old women. It’s got nothing to do with having weak game. Nope. No siree), they should invite them have breakfast with them. But DO NOT bring up sexual stuff. Then later on, touch base by emailing them to have a long ass 3 hour dinner (which you will be paying for) with you (don’t calibrate if she’s sending signals she wants to be pulled way earlier than… Read more »
I see, you didn’t read anything but the summary post… and not well at that. Otherwise you’d get that this is just an example of “a” System [i.e. not “the” system] which was developed based on Generalities and specific Operating Conditions.
It’s got nothing to do with having weak game. Nope. No siree
Hmmm… second and third sentence… “You talking about SNL from cold approach? Generally need tight game all around and logistics.”
Palma
“I suppose I might change my mind if I ever get any game, become a leader of men, or cure cancer, pilot the first Mars landing etc..”
What and give up life-guarding at the car wash?
@Sentient “I see, you didn’t read anything but the summary post” Blackdragon: “The summary is that he meets women at business breakfasts or events, has breakfast with them, then buys them dinner as a day2, then escalates to sex after dinner” “Otherwise you’d get that this is just an example of “a” System [i.e. not “the” system]” which was developed based on Generalities” No. It IS thin man’s system. Like that’s not a general example blackdragon provided lol. He’s literally telling you where to go to meet 33+ yo women (networking seminar), what to do (insta date to breakfast/lunch then… Read more »
J
It IS thin man’s system.
QED
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@Sentient/@j/@Palma et al On the “Over 33” thing. I like Blackdragon for the most part and don’t understand the crap he gets in the sphere these days. I don’t agree with him on lots of things but the dude turned his life around and he’s practiced everything he preaches. I even used his online dating system in my early days (then I ditched a lot of it as it was too cumbersome for me but it was a good early framework). I have long thought that BD is overstating the difficulty of sleeping with “over 33s”. It’s not some impossible… Read more »
@Palma Yes, BD is pretty perceptive on some stuff – I just feel that I’ve kind of gone beyond what he teaches in the last few years. I think I read every post on his blog up to about 2017 or so before stopping. I agree with your analysis about superyacht-girl and similar women completely. But that whole algorithm pertains to the beta bucks side. My point – the point of my approach – is to completely rule yourself out of contention on that side – either because you’re poor/young (like @j) or married (making it clear you’re not planning… Read more »
Thanks Palma. Sounds like very similar dynamics to Trump – interesting how similar the two countries are. I struggle with expressing my political opinions in my social circles (all very coastal liberal UMC types) – although I have other social circles as well which are different. I’d literally be excommunicated if I admitted voting for Trump or thinking there was a witch hunt against Kavanaugh or whatever. Even the very mild comments I sometimes make (about how shitty the Dem presidential field is and how Gabbard is the only one who actually seems to have any kind of grasp on… Read more »
Culum “I have long thought that BD is overstating the difficulty of sleeping with “over 33s”. It’s not some impossible mountain to conquer.” OK let’s be clear here, and this will likely be my last word on BD. BD makes no such claim. At all. What he says is he and many others find is it takes longer to get to sex with over 33 than under 33 under THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS/CONSTRAINTS: Sex within four hours of meet Guys over 35 Not Night game/No clubs/bars/alcohol infused Activities ending by 11PM Spend less than $30 total She’s not social circle/on vacation/… Read more »
A big part of BDs problem is the “structure” of online… Generally speaking, Young girls are online to meet for “whatever” but older ones are online for “something more”. So they try and play their sex card carefully to get the best shot at “something more”. Back to the “make rules for betas/break rules for alphas” thing.
By sticking to live action cold approach you change the fundamental structural dynamic, to your advantage.
@Sentient – yes. I think he’s wrong even when all those criteria are met – I think you’ve explained the reason for that yourself. in relation to the level of his game and what he’s happy with. But I’ve had literally a couple of dozen or more consistent lays in sub-2 hr time frames with over-30 women from online, which meet every single one of those criteria (in many of them I was travelling, but not the woman so it still meets it). So it is certainly possible to do it. Like I said in my previous post, the core… Read more »
“Like I said in my previous post, the core issue he misses is that you have to ruthlessly disqualify yourself from ANY BB/provider potential and then spike her and sexualize hard anf ast.”
Culum, can you expand on this? I’ve got this date tonight with this 48 year old who actually looks younger in her pics… We’ll see… But I want to avoid exactly this issue which I think was the problem with the last girl.
I find older women (30+) much much easier to hook and bang than the 16-23 type girl, personally.
I feel like they are much less superficial and respond better to ‘game’ (teasing etc) and as long as it’s obvious i’m not trying to be their boyfriend, it’s easy pickings. Unfortunately i’m rarely that attracted to women of that age.
The young ones seem to be super hostile and guarded and if you don’t look like what they deem to be ‘hot’, you’re just wasting your time.
“I find older women (30+) much much easier to hook and bang than the 16-23 type girl, personally.”
WT actual F?
I’m not in the US – 15 is legal age of consent.
This is what 16 year olds look like nowadays
https://imgur.com/a/XVC0wQm
https://imgur.com/a/elzl5S2
They’re not at home playing with their ‘my little pony’ dolls like in the olden days lol
Motherfucker I know what 16 year old girls look like.
No fucks given about age of consent either.
What are you talking about? We don’t have any ‘gap gap’ laws here. I’m doing nothing illegal. This is like talking too the feminists at reddit lol.
As long as it’s legal, don’t worry about it. Just live within the law
UK doesn’t have age gap laws either. Consent age is 16
Lowest i’ve gone in recent years is 17 which was still a MASSIVE age gap, but it is what it is. She was also the hottest girl i’ve ever banged so I don’t regret lol
Too bad you don’t live here.
I’d love to catch you hanging around a high school or something trying to ” pick up ” a 16 tear old girl, with your sorry, weak ass.
Child molesting piece of shit.
“It’s only consent at 16 so similar age kids don’t get themselves in trouble for messin around, which is fine.
You gotta fuck off and play with adult toys.”
“Child molesting piece of shit”
The white Knight is strong in these two…
This ain’t about no dumb assed white knight shit.
It’s about how some dipshit ” men ” have fallen so far in life that they have to target children, and then say stupid shit like ” age of consent “.
You’d have to actually have kids or know some to get it evidently.
White knight. GTFOH with that.
Everything’s a big fucking joke though, right?
Blaximus
It’s part and parcel of the decline of men in general. I’m curious to see how many other comments will cosign pedophiles.
GIF girl is very sexy tbh, but I don’t mind pretending she’s not to please r/niceguys. (Unless she’s actually 18 and legal in the US in which case, I admit I want her)
@ALL
Is this mode of thinking acceptable to the bulk of men here? Is this a part of the hotter younger tighter trinity?
I understand the whole women are difficult thing and I read endless exaltation about only going for young girls/women. This is the danger in making that idea widespread , especially on the net. Some men are too emotionally immature and weak to parse what the meaning is and choose to look for a reason to go after children . Age of consent being one.
It’s disappointing.
Downvotes?
Who’s pro pedophiles?
@Morpheus – it’s basically what I said in my last few posts and Sentient and Palma commented on (in particular read the Sedfast thread that Sentient linked to which discusses the problem in more detail). Women have both AF and BB routines running all the time. But as Palma has explained with his examples, they prioritize BB more (consciously) starting in the epiphany phase around 30, but gets more extreme after 40-45 as they realize they have to find a man to support them for the rest of their lives. So unlike younger girls who will just go with the… Read more »
HammerSmith, a ‘man’ can be purple pill in the respect that his red pill colors spin plates with an uninformed blue pill objective view of females. This ‘mysterious female’ porn focus on desire for innocence shows a complete lack of understanding and the end game is the man loses. Payback is truly a bitch and there is always the fucking you get for the fucking you got waiting around the bend. From Rollo’s , The Truth About Standards “We condition men to prioritize the Emotional process from a very early age. Again, all this makes actually vetting a woman for… Read more »
Palma
“@Sentient
I don’t know if you want the feedback on your radar but it’s spot on.
Towel thing and food thing are escalating.
Not long and I’ll be out of here.”</>
Once you internalize RP and Game it’s hard to be wrong on this stuff. You can still fail to execute of course, but you usually know what’s going on… The flip side is you need to wade through idiots making false claims about looks or this or that technique or their hang ups… but we get there.
But now for you – RUN FORREST RUN!!!
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Who’s pro pedophiles?
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Female HS teachers?