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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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@Sentient – yeah, it’s bizarre that this big listed company is still coasting off the work I did with my partners two decades ago. They’ve not really innovated since then. We did the basic idea for a few years. When my partner joined them for a couple of years after the acquisition, he did a fantastic job of scaling up our business to use all the resources they had, but from what I can see (not much – I haven’t had inside information since he left) they haven’t done anything but coast for over a decade now. @Foxguy – My… Read more »

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Palma – indeed. Someone once gave me a very similar example related to buying some basic construction equipment and renting it out to builders but I can’t remember the details. The point was that it didn’t have to be some fancy new technology or idea – just good execution in relation to a market need. @foxguy – also remember that what you do is its own skillset which is different from an entrepreneurial skillset. It’s not better or worse, just different. What everyone is saying is that less of your skillset will transfer to being an entrepreneur than you might… Read more »

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@Everyone: N=4 grin

I’ll post a FR later but before that…
N=3 and N=4 are from the same social circle and know each other.

I have N=3 coming over to my house tonight and frankly, N=4 uses a bit too much perfume. The sheets and the guest pillow still smell a bit like N=4 smells, and if I notice it I think N=3 might notice. I can understand how that might be a good thing but I’m not so sure… I probably should change them and reduce the amount of odorous evidence before N=3 arrives.
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Don’t change a thing…

Killer 😎🔫👙

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Interesting my gun emoji 🔫 changed into a water pistol after posting? Some kind of censorship going on.

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@Palmasailor

that^^^ is what a branch swing ‘feeler’ looks like in real time…lol

i’m sure you could see it too… the question now is, are you going to try to get your old friend up to speed, and if so, how?… without burning that bridge… bc if she is pinging you for a branch swing, she is not really satisfied with him and is likely pinging others as well…

or you can do nothing and just keep your frame solid… or you could maybe start to ‘wing’ for him?…

interesting situ for sure…

good luck!

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“Me: looked at her, raised eyebrows but no comment..”

Slippery slope is slippery

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@Palma – moving that thread about women getting desperate in online dating here (It was in the “Unmarriageable” comments wasn’t it? I just ran across (On Reddit TRP) the link to these astonishing online dating stats from the book (Dataclysm by Christian Rudder) by the guy who founded OKCupid (the book is a few years old and I’ve read excerpts from it and it has some great data, but I haven’t actually read the whole book – this current data is from the parts of the book that I haven’t read in excerpt – I really should read it). Anyway,… Read more »

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What’s most interesting is the contacts from 40+ men is negligible…

Purely because guys refuse to make a move…

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@Sentient & @Palma – interesting. I hadn’t registered the decline in activity of the older men – not just older actually, look at the drop off cliff in men sending messages from age 25 to age 30! By 40, even the male activity of sending messages – even to age appropriate women – has dropped to near zero levels. Some of that is probably explained by more older men being married/in relationships than the guys in their early 20s, but even so – that is a huge drop off in male activity. Is that just because a) they are simply… Read more »

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What is consensus view on “gym pics” in profile? Too close to bathroom selfie? Substitute “active doing” photo that just happens to show body lol…I find it funny because probably 90% of those are contrived anyways

At present, this is the ONLY body photo I show on both Tinder and Bumble, I had another one when I was 10-15 pounds bodyfat higher, and actually I’m down another 10 pounds bodyfat from this photo, so I figure I should take a new one soon anyways, I suppose out at the beach with a volleyball in my hand lol

https://imgur.com/MIf13HG

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Culum, In your post, I think you said a key factor in your online success was identifying the women very likely to have sex with you on a first date, and only going on those??? Can you step through that? Literally, what are your initial messages like…I have to assume you are sexualizing very fast, but I’m also sure you are not opening with “Hey, are you DTF”? But the in between I think I’d like to hear more about, from the initial greeting to establishing this is a strong prospect for 1st date sex. Logistics? Do you arrange a… Read more »

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Palma,

Yeah, that one is a bit older I think it is from either June or July…I think I was 240ish in that pic, and wearing one of my old cut up T-shirts

This one WHICH IS NOT ON THE ONLINE SITES is more recent and 225-230 at 6’3″, still some lower abdominal fat to trim but inconsequential at this point with the right shirt that focuses on chest, shoulders, and arms

https://imgur.com/wjUTQQl

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FWIW, I’m 45. When my wife left me in April 2017, I was 285 pounds, I was still lifting but basically a fat fuck with my eating out of control…you can’t out exercise a shitty diet…today I weighed in at 223. When I hit 220, I think I’ll take a new photo with a snug fitting shirt instead of a super baggy one from my fat fuck days

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@Palmasailor lol… that girl is smoooooooth…lol… remember compliance tests/frame ‘striving’ (for lack of a better term bc its not quite ‘battle’) starts early and often… both ways…lol We can’t, old friend and I have a dinner meeting the other side of town at the same time but we can go to meet them after our meeting so we agree on this. This all happens, we arrive at restaurant 9-10 PM and EEGF greets us, and they are sat at a table. I smile and greet EEGF with a kiss on both cheeks, then I greet friend in the same way,… Read more »

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@Palmasailor i just read this FR… posted at [squints hard]… 7 days ago…lol… (i really do miss those timestamps…)… and had skipped it before bc you seemed to be getting good advice… and just read through it… “EEGF decides where we all sit and I’m sat down next to her and opposite friend (she’s blocked proximity on purpose),” for what purpose?… usually if a girl is throwing you at her friend she wants you two to be ‘touchable’… don’t assume that EEGF has altruistic motives here… the terms are ‘solipsism’… and ‘hypergamy’…lol.. and by seating you next to HER…weeeell… if… Read more »

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“This all happens, we arrive at restaurant 9-10 PM and EEGF greets us, and they are sat at a table. I smile and greet EEGF with a kiss on both cheeks, then I greet friend in the same way, my hand gently but firmly on the back of her neck pulling her in for two kisses, release after two, she makes banter that where she comes from you get three so I make a face and demand 3 rd kiss and pull her in for that.” “This all happens, we arrive at restaurant 9-10 PM and EEGF greets us, and… Read more »

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Palma

No it was when you agreed to the third kiss. 💋

Calibration is micro adjustments with EE’s… And 8+’s

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@Palmasailor Sentient @Sentient “Palma No it was when you agreed to the third kiss. 💋 Calibration is micro adjustments with EE’s… And 8+’s” SOMEbody’s been paying attention…lol… Really, that blew it? did you ‘comply’ with her ‘request’ or not?… and who’s frame was that in?… easy, peasy…lol Honestly – she’s sitting at home drinking boxwine right now.. aaand, you don’t even have her number to change THAT situ?… hmmm, i wonder why?…lol This links to something I was gonna say to Culum in respect of OLD and age appropriate women in the context of two women I was speaking to… Read more »

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@Palmasailor @HABD “tell me where you lost the frame… “ We agreed to meet them after our Meeting. But that wasn’t me agreeing to it, EEGF was pushing for it and from memory old friend did the deal. Think I was in the shower at the time and decision presented to me.. I prion sort of grunted no, see above… I was going to ask if she’s even aware of the branch swing qualification, or is it all hindbrain and her for-brain has no clue? this exactly… from her perspective, it’s like watching a stranger in the third-person… and THEN… Read more »

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@Palmasailor

ps… if this situ goes completely sideways… have him take a deep breath and post it up here…

i’ll clue him in for you…

good luck!

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Palma I smile and greet EEGF with a kiss on both cheeks, then I greet friend in the same way, my hand gently but firmly on the back of her neck pulling her in for two kisses, release after two, she makes banter that where she comes from you get three so I make a face and demand 3 rd kiss and pull her in for that. Re microcalibration… a day from now, in a sober moment, reflect on how this interaction might have played out differently if you did something like this “She makes banter that where she comes… Read more »

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Some smart guys said “attraction is not a choice” and “life finds a way”…

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@Morpheus Okay, lot to say on those questions, like writing a thesis, but I’ll try to hit some of the key points. I didn’t say I identified likely first date lays in my post – I said I was very good at turning the vast majority of my dates into first date lays – there’s a slight difference. There’s a certain amount of screening the girl yes, but far more important is setting the right vibe and expectations about YOU in the girl’s mind (and then successfully executing on that in person when you meet her). So as far as… Read more »

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Does that help to start with? Culum, Hell yeah! Thanks for taking the time to write up a detailed breakdown. What I’m realizing/learning is the online apps really have their own set of specific tactics Game. You and Ranger have given me some good stuff to work with. Your point of listing height is well taken, and for now I’m going to leave it. I ran it by a close female friend (who I think is giving me signals she is open to more but that is another story, I might post her texts to me for analysis here) who… Read more »

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@Palma – you basically need to betaize yourself and make your friend seem like a better option to the girl. But you can’t make it so obvious that she notices a character change in you. Just supplicate to her and it will happen pretty quick. HABD (and YaReally) helped me to do that back when there was a potential FRA situation brewing but I managed to defuse it and no accusation was made because I was able to betaize myself in a realistic way (long story from the Heartiste comments – too bad they got destroyed when the site went… Read more »

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@Palmasailor @HABD “Really, that blew it? did you ‘comply’ with her ‘request’ or not?… and who’s frame was that in?… easy, peasy…lol” Yes I complied – Damn that fucking autopilot.. over here one kiss is unusual, most men don’t do it, so women pull back after one and then I demand the second which wrong foots them at the first meeting. (Looking at it that’s me issuing a compliance hoop?) yes… Except she did that to me… duh… and I complied = DLV & perhaps “follower” = legs closed. (Interesting question : why didn’t failing the compliance hoop / shit… Read more »

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@Sentient I ran through this kind of situ recently with the married neighbor… I let slip juuuuuust a leeetle comment… and she was all over it… led her to come out for a drink where I was… then her texting like a maniac late into the night… had to just 100% cut it off no contact at all. Nothing. then it simmered down. Oddly just after this break of contact she drastically changed her hair… wow!… she’s really going all out…lol her hindbrain is whispering… ‘you could have had HIM… if ONLY you had different hair… and maybe weren’t married…’… Read more »

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@Palmasailor Culum plus this from Culum… @Palma – you basically need to betaize yourself and make your friend seem like a better option to the girl. But you can’t make it so obvious that she notices a character change in you. Just supplicate to her and it will happen pretty quick. as long as it’s ‘congruent’ to you… it HAS to be subtle… and it can’t be from a position of ‘alpha’ (like asking her opinion bc you value it but you will make the choice yourself… it has to be a supplication)… kind of hard to explain, but there… Read more »

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@Culum @Morpheus

Good tweaks which show there’s more to it than just going online.

But…

First thing first: online without gaming women in real life is a buffer. And improving a buffer won’t address the core issue.

@Culum you should tell him the price you paid for that, too. Due diligence.

@Morpheus what’s with the irl game practice? Don’t let it slide.

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Hahaha, what price @IRL? The drug girl fiasco? @Morpheus: you may not have been here then but the whole sorry tale is here in the Field Reports thread if you look around in about Feb 2018 – second half of the month. Short version is that I was on a date from a sugar site and while I am usually very good at weeding out the hookers and girls looking for cash, I screwed up this time. Ended up in a restroom cubicle at the bar (this is boringly routine for me – I’ve banged 12-15 girls literally in just… Read more »

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@HABD: what Culum said. I got your vibe straight away.
Also really like RSDTyler and YaReally.

I think guys like Blax and Palma are more “natural” and don’t resonate so much with that style.

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her hindbrain is whispering… ‘you could have had HIM… if ONLY you had different hair… and maybe weren’t married…’

It’s worse than that. She had dyed it just before we met and asked me what I thought and I said “meh” could be better… after the no contact she cut it all off and dyed it again…

MORPHEUS

Hotel Game… – check back Monday or Tuesday…

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N=4 Lay Report After enough IOIs, I scanned for logistics and she lives alone. I self-invited myself to dinner with N=4 at her place, her cooking some specialty from her country. Leading up to dinner I continued to DHV through pre-selection in a festival conveniently loaded with women (I suspect at least 75% F to M ratio, maybe higher). At some point I even pulled N=3 and N=4 into a triangle and we were dancing to music while rubbing our asses together (ass to ass grinding basically), they were laughing their asses off as well. Hit up Palma for some… Read more »

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@IAS

good stuff bro

“I pick her up, rotate 180 degrees so she is out of the way, and go into the stove to take care of the food again”.

word to the wise: careful banging girls on top of your stove. You might hit one of the burner knobs in the process, and then “accidentally” lighting her booty on fire…lol

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Palmasailor
It’s now on with the bloke she rejected earlier.

Classic.

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@j: when we were dancing, I was away from the stove, so I picked her up, rotated her so she was away from the stove, put her down and left her there going to look after the food.

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lol ya I know. I was just making a silly comment about an incident that occurred this morning since you mentioned the stove wink

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@Sentient

HABD

her hindbrain is whispering… ‘you could have had HIM… if ONLY you had different hair… and maybe weren’t married…’

It’s worse than that. She had dyed it just before we met and asked me what I thought and I said “meh” could be better… after the no contact she cut it all off and dyed it again…

yikes!…lol

your wife doesn’t have a pet bunny does she?…lol

good luck!

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@Culum
Hahaha, what price @IRL? The drug girl fiasco?

I meant the struggle with irl, defaulting to online, feeling shitty about it, deleting the apps, then doing it all over again etc.

I think self-sabotaging your growth and delaying it (by how many years?) is quite a price.

Time wasted can never be regained.

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@Palma – yes it is a no-no. What you don’t see is the opportunity cost of the number of women you lost out on because of it. You’d have had this woman anyway – but if you’d shown your body on a boat somewhere, you’d have had this woman AND the ones who were turned off by the bathroom selfie. As for her message, she’s attracted, and the message is a classic shit test. I would normally say Agree & Amplify but it’s a bit difficult to do with the form of this shit test. Directly answering the question (even… Read more »

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PS – Online and offline aren’t different btw. You apply the same principles slightly differently in the online interactions (to account for the changed environment) but once the girl is in front of you in person, it’s identical. It is my personal mental block that I struggle to treat girls on cold approach the same as the girls I met online – for reasons to do with FI, entitlement issues, etc that HABD, IRL and Sentient have spent a lot of time hammering into me. I’ve not beaten it yet but this year is helping to get me to the… Read more »

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@Everyone, HABD: help me not fuck it up any further. My wife wants me to go spend Christmas with her, I can even sleep in a different bed etc. She basically doesn’t want to spend Christmas alone and I get that. I feel a kind of compulsion to go, for like 3 weeks. I’m pretty sure I can get more/better sex not going BTW, so it is not that. At this stage I know she has a lot of suffering in front of her, possibly for the rest of her life (odds of her finding a Beta Bux and having… Read more »

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@Palma. Some good points. Yes, a lot of that stuff is what I’m working through this year on kind of quasi-Monk Mode as I renovate myself physically (it’s not really Monk Mode – I won’t turn down opportunities that present themselves – but I’m not actively focussed on practicing Game/going out/meeting women and prioritizing it – for the first time in 7 years). Just trying to step back from it all and get some perspective. Especially since yes..I’m just coming up right up to 40 now..weeks not months. A couple of specific points: “Proving I can get women” (and making… Read more »

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IAS — My $0.02 as someone who was divorced ~16 years ago, never remarried: you do not really know what you want to do strongly enough to actually do it, and so you are trying to kind of “do both” for a while to avoid consequences you’d rather avoid or delay. This is a way of avoiding making a definitive decision. If you definitively end it, you will hurt her. That’s just a fact. But that isn’t a justification for not ending it if you really need to end it, really want to end it, can’t see it going anywhere,… Read more »

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@Palmasailor @HABD “this is the best place for self-help for men that i know of… @Rollo literally saved my life AND my sanity…lol… (PUA and YaReally saved my marriage/family…lol” I’m sorry to hear it got you that badly, and I’m glad to hear you turned it around and saved all that, especially the family. (I’m not sure he saved your sanity btw 😉) lol… but ya, it was BAD… ’90 mph into a bridge abutment’ bad… “aaand, you don’t even have her number to change THAT situ?…” You’re right, but I would ask just one question: are you sure that… Read more »

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@Everyone, HABD: help me not fuck it up any further.

lol… don’t try to push it off onto me… you already know what you need to do…

sh*t or get off the pot…

good luck!

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@HABD: always putting that smile on my face wink

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@Palma – yes, that. Bar, street – basically I freeze up with approaching (or if I approach I’m horribly stifled and shitty) in any kind of cold approach situation – anything that’s not meeting a girl from online or through my social circle. They’re really all the same but the mental block kicks in. I do pretty well if my wing opens the girl and brings me in and I relax (although I’m not as practiced or relaxed with it as online). But approaching myself – especially when I’m alone – freeze up. I’ve done it in the past and… Read more »

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Great comments and discussion…A lot to respond to and looking for some feedback, I’ll break into a couple different posts I’ve been thinking about material for a new bio..I’m just brainstorming here how about something like “I can’t change your tire, but I’ll make decent eye candy for your next plus 1” Good cocky funny or too cheesy? Regardless, I’m going to keep working on material. I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but FWIW here was PlatonicHBs text to me on the height issue. For background, PlatonicHB is 46, extremely attractive for that age, she reached out to… Read more »

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Second link was duplicate

https://imgur.com/y3B2fYh

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“I can’t change your tire, but I’ll make decent eye candy for your next plus 1”

Good cocky funny or too cheesy? ”

Too beta. In service of her.

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Palma, Ha, my ex from my last relationship always said “I was too full of myself” lol. I won’t bore you with my entire story but my second wife left me in April 2017 and did so via e-mail, yeah, that was a self-esteem blow along with many other blows. I was about in the worst place imaginable quite literally. That first week she left this woman (we went to high school together) messaged me basically “hey, I saw your posts, are you OK, and do you want to talk”. TBH, I’m not sure what would have happened or what… Read more »

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@Morpheus duuuude, i gotta jump in here…lol… you’ve been getting great advice and i’m busy as f*k, but you need to clue up…lol… do you even TRM, bro?…lol Palma, Ha, my ex from my last relationship always said “I was too full of myself” lol. sh*t test… I won’t bore you with my entire story but my second wife left me in April 2017 and did so via e-mail, yeah, that was a self-esteem blow along with many other blows. I was about in the worst place imaginable quite literally. been there, bro… it gets better… LOTS better… just gotta… Read more »

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“When we got to the bottom and ready to part ways [“hey come here for a sec I wanna tell you something [grab her hand, bring her really close to you, then place her hand around your waist.] then sexually triangular gaze her for a couple seconds….her: “what lol?”. Then open loop her with a, “nah I think I’ll tell you later” sly smile, then release her to use the gents restroom].

S E X U A L T E N S I O N > makeout guy

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She rejected your kiss because you just went for it without spiking her emotions first. This is 101. Spike => ask for compliance. But I prefer maintaining sexual tension (does he like me or not) throughout the interactions Vs giving your power away by going for makeouts (worst is if she rejects it. Which firmly puts YOU in the chase frame, then having to fight your way to get out of it) as I’ve found it to be more powerful. The guys here, including the lurkers, are interested in whatever move (and the why behind the move) gives them the… Read more »

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“No it was when you agreed to the third kiss.”

R u copying off my paper again?

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“Anyway, she wrote something like “you don’t have consent across it””

That’s when you write “LOL” over her statement and walk off to chat with another girl.

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@Palma @j is correct about the specific Game reason that that particular makeout attempt failed. But it doesn’t affect the overall conclusion – that consent stuff is a real red flag. The additional details make it seem even weirder – why would she write “you don’t have consent” on a napkin and give it back to you? Consent for what? She could just write “no” to the number – it makes no sense to write “you don’t have consent” in that context. It really reads like her joking with you and it not coming across properly. But I think you… Read more »

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On OLD photos I’m not online at all… But I have eyes… and an artistic bent. Do yourselves a favor if you persist in this realm and get some PRO shots done. Your objective is to stand out and cast a net. Some background https://johnclarkphotography.blog/2016/07/25/the-actors-headshot-as-a-marketing-tool/ Headshots introduce you the actor to the casting director. It is your first impression, don’t let it be your last. Without a great headshot you limit your chances of being seen for top class film and TV auditions. Actors have to realise that, though acting is an art form, actors are a business and any… Read more »

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That’s very interesting.

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Update to this list:

https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-133/#comment-280398

1) Dropped Kinobody’s 3x/week warrior workout program for this 4x/week one:

https://twitter.com/iEatOrganMeat/status/1131373672688758784

and reading Shanahan’s Deep Nutrition as per recommendation in the thread linked above.

2) Recently discovered Alexandria Fragrances (https://alexandriafragrances.com/) (high quality clones of $$$ fragrances for very affordable prices). and purchased one of their fragrances to replace my nearly empty 10ml bottle of Dior Sauvage. It’s good and no doubt it gets me compliments but its kinda too mainstream tbh.

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2) Recently discovered Alexandria Fragrances (https://alexandriafragrances.com/) (high quality clones of $$$ fragrances for very affordable prices). and purchased one of their fragrances to replace my nearly empty 10ml bottle of Dior Sauvage. It’s good and no doubt it gets me compliments but its kinda too mainstream tbh. FWIW, I use my Uber driving to do extensive testing of different fragrances and basically see which ones get the most compliments from women, especially 20s Versace Eros (young girls love this one, it gets the most intense compliments) JPG Ultra Male (one woman said she wanted to eat me) Rasasi Hawas (one… Read more »

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Lol. I.have used jpg make since the 90’s and to this day if I’m wearing it women make comments.

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Ya I’ve sampled all those except Rasasi Hawas. None really stood out to me tbh. For me, its important to actually love the scent of the fragrance in addition to getting massive compliments. Only two to date to accomplish that were Creed Aventus and Dior Sauvage. My recommendation would be (if you don’t wanna buy samples online) to go to one of the department stores (Neiman Marcus, Bloomingdale’s) that lets you sample the fragrances of the top niche designer brands (Creed, Tom Ford, Parfum de Marly, By Kilian etc.), then go to AF and buy the clone(s) of the fragrance(s)… Read more »

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Hotel Game… – check back Monday or Tuesday…

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“Recently discovered Alexandria Fragrances”

I dab a little semen behind my ears. XD

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I don’t wear any perfume or cologne beyond whatever is in shampoo / soap I use.

Some scents give me headaches.

I have considered deodorant a few times but always wound up not buying any.

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Any UK guys see that BBC program/exposé about the ‘seduction industry’ last night? lol – A fair few of the UK PUA’s have had their channels deleted. And one of them has been charged with ‘harassment’ lol (for ‘plowing’ after she said she wasn’t interested, from what I gather!). Also lots of uproar about the age thing. Program kept talking about how Eddie from street attraction, in his mid 30’s, banged a 17 year old or something. Surely the journalist knows that the age of consent is 16 here, and we dont have any ‘age gap’ laws. Why keep bring… Read more »

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We discussed the BBC special on our chat a couple days ago before it aired.

Here it is for anyone that didn’t see it:

https://youtu.be/w8gdvMZCuFI

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@ford – not seen it, but it’s just part of overall attacks on masculinity/FI stuff that Rollo talks about a lot, so someone decided to dust off some old prejudices and half-baked truths about PUAs for a new special. It’s unfortunate for this guy (and the risks of running a PUA business and filming girls etc keep going up) but anyone approaching girls with even a modicum of social skills and awareness will be fine. And guys who are good will be more than fine – a good PUA just comes across as a cool, sociable guy – it’s not… Read more »

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J thanks for posting the link. I’m gonna watch it. As for pua bootcamps, my position is well known. Without watching the video, I expect to see some strange and ” creepy ” shit. Culum this ain’t about masculinity. Pua isn’t ” teaching ” masculinity. It might be about the FI though. Ive watched guys approach/game women my entire life, and I’ve never seen anyone like what bootcamps and programs and videos portray. Woo I’m still not completely certain what’s going on. Maybe I’ll hit you up with a ( no lay ) fr that I fucked around and never… Read more »

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@Blax – we’ve been over variations of this before. The reason those PUA infields etc look weird and artificial (and many of them are absolutely), is because you’re watching the baby learn to walk. Watching those guys is like watching 12 month old baby taking his first steps and saying he’s shit at walking and doesn’t do it fluidly and naturally. Those of us who didn’t have the benefit of the masculine influences you had growing up had to learn it as adults. I’m past the awkward/weird stage – but I sure as hell remember what it was like to… Read more »

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PS – If you want to laugh at PUAs, try this video:

I’m the guy who usually defends RSD’s PUA/Game coaching on here (especially after YaReally and Scray left), but FFS – Julien is teaching business now? RSD is running business coaching courses?? WTF?

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Keeping in mind that BBC special is the confirmation biased version (30 minutes hand picked for negative content from hours of footage), it sounded from the reporters accent that he was talking about pick-apart-ists, which is really what they do as in picking apart each interaction looking for flaws. This is silly as it dehumanizes the interactions and the pick-apart-ist can’t get a read on the vibe or chemistry happening between two people. They could literally be teaching boys to pickup chicks on the rag or something. I will have to blame tech for breaking society down to a level… Read more »

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@Palma – uncensorable (well, nothing is absolute, but very difficult to block or censor) blockchain based websites are on the way. Proofs of concept exist already. Ready for mainstream in 1-2 years max. Going to be interesting..

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“RSD is running business coaching courses?? WTF?”

Remember I’ve mentioned before that the RSD guys go to seminars and bootcamps themselves, but that they have nothing to do with PUA? Well, they’re dropping the fourth wall. This is what they have always been about behind the PUA facade. They aren’t PUA community, they’re Internet marketing community. PUA was what they marketed, but as the market shifts, they will shift along with it.

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What I find strange is that i’ve seen DWLF’s infields and they were no different to the other coaches/PUA’s. In other words, I can’t imagine him doing anything especially uncalibrated. Didn’t seem like he massively lacked social skills or anything. (certainly no more than many other pro PUA’S I’ve watched) I think his issue was going for teenage girls in a fairly small city where he could get a reputation easily!! He looked like all other coaches i’ve seen, tbh.. ‘Hi, I had to stop you for a second. bla bla. You caught me eye. I like your clothes. You… Read more »

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haha – yeah, now that everyone knows about ‘game’, I wonder if the remaining UK coaches who have somehow avoided the cull thus far will be able to capitalize and make an absolute shed load of money! (James Tusk, Kezia Nobel to name a few)

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Time.

It still reveals all.

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will have to blame tech for breaking society down to a level that requires classes for basic human interaction. At least and I mean the very least these guys are getting out and learning to relate on a personal level. Wahoo this is my issue in total. I’ve asked for YEARS what percentage of guys that study ” pickup “( it’s not game….😁) are successful, and how is that success quantified. Strictly P in V? If you teach a guy to rush up to a stranger, or block their path, while reciting a basic bunch of shit, I cannot ever… Read more »

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Morpheus Had a longer post got eaten. Anyhow “You mentioned traveling…I’ve actually thought about hitting hotel bars to maybe catch female business travelers who fit the “age appropriate” zone for me of 35-50 who are away from home. What has been your experience on that?” whoa…. what’s with that “age appropriate” thinking? Youngest hotel pull was a 22YO 8 stripper. Wasn’t even at the bar, but in the hall… So that mindest is a concern. Also I am getting a feeling you are looking for an “easy button”… Sure you will come across women who are alone at hotel bars… Read more »

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whoa…. what’s with that “age appropriate” thinking? Youngest hotel pull was a 22YO 8 stripper. Wasn’t even at the bar, but in the hall… So that mindest is a concern. Also I am getting a feeling you are looking for an “easy button”… Sure you will come across women who are alone at hotel bars but you are still going to need your solid Game – Open, Spike attraction – Build comfort – Have the right logistics – and seduce… How are your cold approach chops? Thanks Sentient, So…I was with my ex-wife from the very beginning of 2006 when… Read more »

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Morpheus Con’t. Tier 2 These are your nicer 3.5-4 star traditional “road warrior” corporate stay points places, usually in a CBD. The top offerings of Marriott, Hyatt, Westin, Hilton etc. (not their luxe brands or their lower priced suites, expresses etc.). Here is where you run into the 6-7 women, the girls just starting corporate careers and the mid level managers. Lot of 35-45 married women. Insurance, tech, accounting, markleting. Cube farm stuff. These places don’t have weddings and cool events, but they do have conferences and conventions. So you may see a lot of people with name tags on… Read more »

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Thanks for the hotel specific info! Much appreciated

The Langham in River North is an example… Also a great neighborhood.

Well, just so happens this is my neck of the woods so to speak, if you are regularly in the area maybe we could meet up sometimes. My e-mail is morpheus7447@gmail.com

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Morpheus “I’m thinking…perhaps it will be good for me to challenge myself and actually open women who haven’t shown even the slightest interest first because maybe it will force me to develop skills I don’t have enough of.” Yes you will need to develop this. It’s not often that women,all alone in a hotel bar will be very overt with IOI’s. Them just being there is basically an approach invite. But… they will have buffers… Phones for sure. You need to work on “phone destroyer’ game. I like to use “how are the cat videos tonight?” and similar lines. Your… Read more »

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Blax,”The prosecution rate will eventually outstrip the success rate.”

LMAO,stop it man just stop it. your hurting my grin worse than shrooms.

There needs to be a balance,not egalitarian or equal yet still human. This dehumanizing of others directly effects the self.

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Going to try and answer and address numerous comments here: PlatonicHB is married to both “boring” and “asshole”. The marriage is sexless, they sleep in separate rooms, she encourages him to go out and meet women and have affairs, she could care less. She stays in the marriage for a number of financial and logistical reasons most of which relate to her kids and the school system. She plans on divorcing “asshole” as soon as the youngest hits a certain age. At the time she reached out to me, she had a guy she was regularly fucking, that ended, and… Read more »

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Morpheous

Don’t need to read the texts… 10/10 from this

right now she is not fucking anyone…I have no reason to think she is lying to me, we are extremely candid with each other. She is very sexual, likes sex, and we talk a lot about sex, especially most recently over last couple of months.

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“Didn’t seem like he massively lacked social skills or anything. (certainly no more than many other pro PUA’S I’ve watched)”

lol

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“FWIW, we’ve had hundreds and hundreds of hours of the most candid, person revealing conversations you can imagine over the last 2.5 years”

BFF!!!!! (frantically waving fingers over face)

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“What their losing their shit over is men have found a way of fooling them.

The male equivalent of make up and a boob job.

“What their losing their shit over is men have found a way of fooling them.

The male equivalent of make up and a boob job while still remaining insecure boys who won’t enforce their boundaries–unattractive after the spiked emotions simmer down.”

fify

Women won’t lose their shit over fucking men who are truly masculine.

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Morpheus, ya what Palma said, try this keno, when she goes for the hug slide your hands down and pull her ass cheeks apart while you tongue fuck her ear. She has set herself up as your female advisor I don’t need one personally but had one once and after a few months I finally banged her and then she wanted it all the time. Turns out all her advice was solipsistic and she would listen till she heard what she wanted and pounce. When I told her it wasn’t serious she got all but hurt yet she still calls… Read more »

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ASD,

Context bro LOL,

I added that part because someone up thread had suggested running the method on her that INCLUDES comfort building as well as part of the stages…my point in including that was because building comfort with her is unnecessary at this point and not going to be a determining factor in whether I bang her or not.

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Scribs said up thread somewhere that he didn’t understand why men marry again, and it is precisely this situation, you’ll fall in, think “she’s different” and put a ring on it before you’ve completed your RP journey so you’ll make all the same mistakes you’ve made twice before. That’s the risk here Palma, Duly noted, and you are right…I need to be aware of my weaknesses…I’m prone to be a “rescuer” and believe this is the “right girl” and so I need to be aware of those tendencies. After my first wife was my “mistake”, my second wife was “the… Read more »

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Palma,

Ha, maybe that is the kick in the ass I need lol. Her schedule slows up in a few weeks, so I am going to try and arrange our meetup ASAP…I’m going to use the next weeks to ramp up the sexual tension in our messaging…and then we’ll see how it plays out.

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Palma,

Thanks!

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@Morpheus Thanks Sentient, So…I was with my ex-wife from the very beginning of 2006 when I was 32 until 2017. After that, I met a woman on POF who also happened to be an old high school classmate and it literally fell right into my lap, I basically did zero work or effort on her, that lasted a year until this past April, that’s when I got active on the apps. You may be right on your assessment of the “easy button”…TBH I’ve never really worked that hard for what I got, it was more just show up, and even… Read more »

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