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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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J Perfect example of you only getting your information from guys without understanding what women do. Cats are not dogs. Women don’t dress, wear makeup or workout to attract men the same way men are prone to do to attract women. 90% of all of what women do wrt to looks is in direct competition with other women. Women do not sweat men the same way men sweat women. Attracting men is mostly a byproduct for the more attractive chicks. That’s why complementing them on how they look is a flood errand. When a man enters that feminine frame of… Read more »

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Re: masculinity -maxxing forum
Look around the interwebs. We’re here.

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“AF/desire sex/validational sex only takes place (CAN only take place) in the man’s frame… when SHE comes to HIM… that’s the only way it CAN be bc THAT submission by her is what triggers that part of her bio chemistry… as well as yours…” @ HABD IMO validation or AF sex is yet a bilateral insecurity reduction transaction. It may not be a out-of-pocket loss, yet in the Jungian sense she is desiring a man to reduce her feelings of inconsequence and he believes she is fucking him for him. It is yet a transaction and such dangerous for men… Read more »

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…‘obligation sex’ is just a subset of transactional/BB sex… it is in her frame… and by providing her ‘obligation sex’ she secures a continuation of resources… just like other transactional sex secures her resources (in its many forms… one of which is ‘social proof’…lol… think about a ‘doctor’s wife’… (no offense SJF…lol)… she gets social proof (among other things) from THAT type of sex… hey! that sounds just like those club girls trading social proof for sex with you!…lol… just barely not kidding… I definitely don’t take offense to that HABD. Our social set is composed of 80% non beta… Read more »

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90% of all of what women do wrt to looks is in direct competition with other women. Women do not sweat men the same way men sweat women. Attracting men is mostly a byproduct for the more attractive chicks. Something most men really just don’t understand I think. Sex is not a big deal to women, in that they can always get it. It’s available on tap, and pretty much regardless of how they look — there are plenty of guys who will bang uggos, and there are plenty of “good looking” guys who will bang Plain Jane 5s without… Read more »

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It is literally NO BIG DEAL to women in a way that almost no (straight) man can comprehend, because most straight men live in a world of scarcity when it comes to sex. No woman does.

and women also have sex for lots of reasons besides desire, arousal, AF (seed) or BB (provision)…

Lonely, validation, bored, angry (at someone else), revenge, because her friends are, etc.

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@ novaseeker “Sex is not a big deal to women, in that they can always get it.” I want to riff on this. True what you write above though women are not getting it from not the quality of man they’d like otherwise we never hear “They are no good men around no more!” They do care about who they’re banging somewhat as it reflects on their self-respect, so they can’t always get it as they won’t fuck down. There is a sexual fail-safe point. Hypergamy controls her sexual negotiation, I guess, in a way. She’s gonna have to up… Read more »

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@HABD “If a woman is going to go to bed with you, she knows it the moment you approach. You still will end up doing things like: “Spending time with her[gotta earn game her…]” “Connecting enough with her[bc she is the prize! won’t think you’re just tryin’ pump and dump her ass]” “Showing her whom you are[gotta prove/qualify yourself as good enough for her, ammirite?…lol Demonstrate Higher Value. Standard stuff] “Communicating to her she ‘qualifies’ for you.[lol… i love the scare quotes… can’t even bring himself to make that assertion in his own article…lol]” Because we (hey maybe you guys… Read more »

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@Sentient “Lonely, validation, bored” yup. old school Gunwitch Method: There are 2 types you need to close WAY before the club shuts down. 1 is the out of towner with no friends as mentioned above. Second is what I call bored chicks. These women are in a nutshell there with lots of friends, party vibe is jamming in the place, but they are just sitting there seemingly bored as fuck. Their friends also leave them alone. The reasons here I have found are always similar. Usually this chick is married, hasn’t hooked up in ages cause she never goes to… Read more »

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My divorced acquaintance claims she chews guys up with her crafty womanly wiles. I claim the scenario no different than me fucking a senior citizen. Truth… “we are close and bantering a bit back and forth.. she telling me about her life and qualifying to me she says at one point “you know I fuck 28 YO guys” like it was a brag. she was feisty… I am super calm, hand on my hip, close to her and say “well that’s like me saying I fuck 60 YO women, you know that right?” completely dismissing her boast and BAM! her… Read more »

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” Keys ” he says..😂😂😂

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” gunwhitch ” he says.😂😂

Foxguy

This is what I was talking about earlier. References go back to what some guy said.

That’s why he still thinks having sex in nontraditional places is desire sex he literally has no clue but is positive that he does.

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@Sentient

“well that’s like me saying I fuck 60 YO women, you know that right?“

I was gonna say that not all women live in sexual abundance, thats the single ones much over 50 mainly. Most of them can’t get laid on demand.

It’s a shock to them.

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Eh

Think about it. Look around you.

I never gave one fuck shot the ” no good men ” shit when I heard it back in the 80’s, but watch and listen to younger guys today.

Media and the economy and social media work together to create fantasy worlds that young people think they can have. Anything else is Shitty and unacceptable. Stay tuned to see how this plays out in the future

But….
There aren’t many good men today, courtesy of the FI. Even sex has become masturbation using a girl.

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“” Keys ” he says..” social frame, emotional stimulation, and sexual arousal, are the “three keys” in Gunwitch’s SMMA product. I’ve found “the three keys” to be useful mental model to have when talking to girls I want to sleep with. ” gunwhitch ” he says” Which I’ve found true. I could have simply said, “yes @Sentient that’s true. I’ve picked up girls that were bored sitting on a sofa texting some random guy/girl, and opened, “are you texting your husband? or something to that effect”, but I wanted to give credit where credit is due because that’s who I… Read more »

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Does this ” every girl” only pertain to club girls? Had a few drinks? Ever share a cab with a total stranger and gotten that same blowjob? Again, leave the ” club ” stuff aside. It clouds what you see or what you think you’re seeing. At your age, what’s happening sexually with hot women you meet (I assume ) away from the club? Not girls that text you that you met in a club either, away from all clubs. Hunting in one place constantly gives bad data. Makes skills seen like more than they are in reality. Walk around,… Read more »

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“Even sex has become masturbation using a girl.”

Exactly. Hence my beef with notch counts on principle. The moment a guy fucks for a notch he’s out of his frame. Hence my beef with masturbation in general too. Men do care who’s frame they’re in but won’t admit it for fear of social isolation. Moreover ceding frame happens a lot subtler than guys recognize. Here at TRM too.

WTF is up with j’s inability to grok this? I swear he wills himself stupid or more likely is a incel dressed in playa clothing fishing for cred.

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J is far away from stupid. He grasps pua stuff because it’s what he wanted to grasp. The underlying theme in pua forums and the like, is that only Pua’s know how to seduce women. So if a guy learns pickup and happens to get laid, he’s sold. He’ll only value pua stuff. Just telling a guy he can get laid isn’t sufficient for some men because they just don’t believe it. They couldn’t get laid and aren’t sure why. So guys that can baby step them become mostly infallible God-like men. It’s an industry now. A kind of cult.… Read more »

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“A kind of cult.”

Diily silly (Has that catch phrase passed? I haven’t been keeping score.)

It’s like you tell someone that the sun comes up in the east because it does and relax about it (girls fuck) and they immediately start in telling you why the sun comes up all science-y and certain situations it doesn’t (You’ve got shit game bro but this Gunster video should help).

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People aren’t stupid, they just will themselves so.

I did.

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Anyhow I’m at a corporate bar and restaurant with a large outdoor area. Venue’s nice enough, scenic.

Shiner Bock (good) Acid Kuba Kuba (great).

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They know that. It’s the world from a woman’s perspective — sex is on tap. Erections are on tap. It is literally NO BIG DEAL to women in a way that almost no (straight) man can comprehend, because most straight men live in a world of scarcity when it comes to sex. No woman does. Blax, I wanted to highlight this part of Nova’s comment for you, because I think it is the crux of the difference between what you are saying, and stuff like “PUA Game” and “looksmaxing” etc. Taking your comments on this forum at face value, seems… Read more »

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Morpheus Hey bro. Just for clarification, my stance isn’t quite ” what’s all the fuss ” type thing. It’s like a guy stranded in the forest, and he desperately needs to build a fire so he can stay warm and cook whatever he can catch, and boil water to drink. But he wastes time looking for specific types of wood to burn. People make fire in the woods all the time, and if it’s crucial, you don’t need to make such a task out of it. Just build the fire already. I rejected the ” natural ” label when Yareally… Read more »

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“Sad to see a man’s life reduced like that, but hey, pedestalizing pussy can never end well. It’s not supposed to. That’s why we cautIon against it to those who will reasonably listen.” This is the crux of the matter, pussy is good, there is no doubt about it, but how you get is very important when it comes to girls. As Blax says sex is no big deal for the girl, when the guy makes it a bigger deal than her and is jumping through hoops to qualify it won’t end well. You have a mismatch of value, she… Read more »

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Guys need to learn from this statement below, women are by and large a large liability when not managed correctly, sometimes a huge one. I don’t know if it was from my dad but somehow I have never viewed them as any kind of prize, even though my mom was an excellent mom very feminine and loving, my dad never treated her as any type of prize. Even though she was excellent cook for him, bore him 4 children, never talked to other men, generally loved the crap out of him he has never treated her as any type of… Read more »

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Foxguy The ” average ” woman understands that men want sex really, really badly, but a majority of them are clueless about what that means because they don’t have lots of testosterone coursing through their veins. They know men like certain things, and they know that they posses the things men seem to want, but even they don’t really see themselves as special, worthy of pedestalizing the way men do. But they’ll take it if you’re willing to give it, and it becomes a bargaining chip. It effects the way they see the average guy. He’s a little weak and… Read more »

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That’s ” dicks are like buses.. ” , not ” sucks ”

Spellchecker refuses to display ” dicks ” and ” males ” whenever I type it.

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“I never bought into the bullshit people said about females”

Except when you did.

A billion lays, 2 kids and 1 divorce.

Don’t pedestalize Blax.

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Pedestalize this bitchez.
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Star fish sex = typical of a LTR within a beta provisioning scenario

Gold digger sex – sex often perceived as horny sex but with the intention of draining a man’s resources

Lust sex = typical of a same night club type pull with woman in a horny state

Support sex – hot sex often perceived as desire sex but with the intention of locking a man into paternity support

Desire sex = passionate sex when male is perceived as alpha seed – the woman will pursue the man in an almost stalking manner

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@Centuries Nice to go off on red pill awareness of unhealthy pathological ways it’s done. There is also LTR healthy ways of doing it. Which is paradoxical here. Lot’s of excellent manosphere content providers frolic in healthy ways of doing it. While acknowledging unhealthy an unhappy person behavior. It’s not such a mystery. It is simple. It is not easy. You want easy. It doesn’t exist for males, unless a male is on easy street by his intrinsic nature. A male can put himself on easy street by trial and error. With confidence and competence. Competence is an outgrowth of… Read more »

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“Lust sex = typical of a same night club type pull with woman in a horny state”

And then after only initate contact when the other is horny. Yeah sounds about right. That type of “stalker pursuit” happens after a girl is hooked on your dick. Which is why blax says desire sex usually doesn’t happen the first night you meet her. Only stalking I’ve had is girls stalking my social media. When I didn’t even give them my last name lol. I figured they just looked through my wallet when I was taking a shit.

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“That type of “stalker pursuit” happens after a girl is hooked on your dick.”

Untrue. Flatly uninformed, overconfident made-up fakery. “Hooked on your dick” as a phrase sounds straight out of a incel forum. j is the height of stupidity clowning around as Professor Love Machine.

I’ve been stalked and it has little to do with sex.

j has swapped his individual conscience long ago for some queer sense of PUA social conscious belonging. Hence all the contrived hipster throw-away lines. He literally can’t think for himself for fear of isolation.

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😂😂😂

Jesus.

Nah, chicks can and do get ” hooked on your dick “.

Imo, if a.man has an eye towards marriage, he’d better consider a ” hooked on your dick ” chick because it will greatly minimize the dead bedroom phenomenon years later. Guys should pay attention.

If you aren’t banging virgins, and you can talk to the chick you’re fucking, you’ll find that there’s a shortage of men that can properly swing a cock. Sometimes chicks resign themselves to making the best of a semi satisfying sex life, until they run across the dick of their dreams, lmao.

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The thing with desire sex is that until you experience it, you can’t understand it. You won’t even know it exists or you’ll label something else as desire sex. It’s just a phrase. It’s kind of a “explain the sun to someone who has never seen it” mental exercise. “It’s like a candle, but hotter and way bigger” doesn’t really cut it. When it does happen to you though, you know. It is unmistakeable – there’s no doubt. All the regular posters here have heard me talk a lot about a toilet BJ I got years ago, early in my… Read more »

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@ Blax

Yes to that though your reply has little to do with stalking. Stalkers are pursuing not the dick but obsessive possession-ownership of another.

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The wheels on the bus go round and round , round and round :). I don’t have any particular disagreement with gaining an understanding of women to have sex with them, but you gotta admit , P in V is just that P in V. When I think about genuine desire it’s not even really mainly about the sex, but rather what it represents, what it means, it means you have achieved a level of high value to yourself and the women can see/feel/smell that, in that instance it’s still the male frame of reference. My main issue with PUA… Read more »

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@foxguy

Women are not an anchor

You are their anchor

If your anchor slips and they feel exposed they’ll jump ship.

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@Palma

Exactly, hence why women can never be a true anchor to any mans life. The way certain individuals defend PUA with an almost religious like fervor is what leads me to believe it’s an anchor for them, even if they claim it isn’t, the may not be consciously aware they are using it as an anchor to their life.

I will give PUA guys credit in that they realize something is missing in life, most men don’t even get that far. I give them credit for searching for the meaning of life/anchor. it’s just not women unfortunately.

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Well it is an anchor for most PUA

It’s what defines them.

They are still living within the female frame

Get a bit older though, at a stage where you have had plenty of women, then look back and re consider.

Get beyond sex – which is the only thing they can offer..

They’re useless .. That’s enlightenment.

And that’s why older ones can’t consolidate on “commitment”

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Culum!!!!!!!!!! Going o/t because something you wrote gave me a flashback, and I like flashbacks. “I assume you know plenty of young boxers who came in to learn so that they could be good at beating people up and over time as they gained skill and maturity, they learned to tone it down? “The best fighters are the ones who are most reluctant to be violent” etc?” True. In fact, I picked up boxing initially because I was such a skinny guy – like starving Ethiopian skinny – and it bothered me every single day. So my solution was to… Read more »

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Get a bit older though, at a stage where you have had plenty of women, then look back and re consider.
Get beyond sex – which is the only thing they can offer..
They’re useless .. That’s enlightenment.
And that’s why older ones can’t consolidate on “commitment”

Hence my eternal question for this board to guys who have LTR’s?

There has to be a point, or you guys aren’t rational.

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“Get beyond sex – which is the only thing they can offer..

They’re useless .. That’s enlightenment.

And that’s why older ones can’t consolidate on “commitment””

Hence my eternal question for this board to guys who have LTR’s?

There has to be a point, or you guys aren’t rational.

Well loop back up into that “femininity” discussion upthread. Women who can offer femininity are always in demand and most often get commitment.

There is a male use for femininity, which goes beyond sex. So those women aren’t useless. Just getting more rare.

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“Hence my eternal question for this board to guys who have LTR’s? There has to be a point, or you guys aren’t rational.” Well loop back up into that “femininity” discussion upthread. Women who can offer femininity are always in demand and most often get commitment. There is a male use for femininity, which goes beyond sex. So those women aren’t useless. Just getting more rare. Well said and to the point Sentient. Quite a while ago, Sentient also answered the question “Why would a man get married?” with “to get a wife”. I would affirm that response. My son… Read more »

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“They’re useless .. That’s enlightenment.” “There has to be a point, or you guys aren’t rational.”

Use isn’t value. If a dollar’s today is $.97 tomorrow theoretically it can be zero the next day. Does a dollar have permanent value? Answer is no.

Are women strictly useful and if so, what’s to stop them considering men strictly useful? How does that mentality create sustaining LTR’s?

Could there be something you choose not to consider about others that makes you seem frivolous and sterile and kinda inconsequential?

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Senseless death in three easy steps:

Declare someone useful.

Enslaves them.

Kill them when useless.

Archie, my man, you’re gonna go far kid!

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“Hence my eternal question for this board to guys who have LTR’s?

There has to be a point, or you guys aren’t rational.”

I think there is a point if you’ve owned the TR2 since new.

But those of us in the secondhand market experience a totally different reality where you wouldn’t want to own anything on offer.

It’s just sex, and eventually even that will wear thin. (Not yet, but I can see it will happen)

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I see Palma’s point. But this discussion always goes south when trying to explain ” women’s value ” to guys that’ve never seen nor considered it. Not sure if it’s a function of a string of ( or even one ) bad experience, or just never having had a decent relationship with a woman for whatever reason ( couldn’t be the guys. Naaahhhhh…) Palma’s point about the secondhand market sounds more reasonable, especially once one gets past a certain age. But if a guy is 100% satisfied staying single, with babymommas or whatever, then that’s what he should do, while… Read more »

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@ Blax

“lot’s of things I’ve done in life has been relentlessly questioned by those that had no interest or skill to do.”

The peanut gallery is ubiquitous and regenerating.

Give an example, something big, that no one would believe you did on principle and still don’t understand why you did it.

I’m legitimately interested.

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Climbing rose-bushes!

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SJF and EH Lol. My rose bushes are having a very hard time because of the insane amounts of rain. I’ve had to trim and dead-head linear feet out of them. Right now they ain’t looking spectacular. Eh Most of my friends initially don’t understand why I do the things I do. I honestly am a believer that men can do anything they set their minds to. Something big?? Oh man, scribbler would throw a giant fit. Let’s see, something that wala wouldn’t call ” yesterday man-ish “, lol. More recently I grew the meetings we had for young men/youth… Read more »

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… I might have doxed myself.

Oh well.

Lol.

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“… I might have doxed myself.

Oh well.

Lol.”

Take note Archie, j, The Gimp…

Blax has more to gain than lose being known. Ask the same about yourselves, ya fruitless idjits.

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@eh

Aight here’s me

#SelfDox

https://imgur.com/a/UKqONc7

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Eh

Everybody here knows what city I live in, and kinda what I look like already.

I’m joking about being doxed because I’m not hard to find if anyone really wanted to.

The only thing I’d ” lose ” is privacy as I am trying to tie up loose ends and disconnect as I age. I’m trying to hand over the reigns as fast as I can because getting a bit tired. Lol.

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“I’m trying to hand over the reigns as fast as I can because getting a bit tired”

Aging gracefully is not for the weak of heart. Humility to bow out gracefully is for the wise and gracious.

Understanding death early in life is understanding the ability to choose right or wrong or somewhere between and accept one’s responsibility.

I work with prison inmates occasionally. None blame outside forces, have unearned indignancy nor are conspiratorial like a few guys I read here. They aren’t expectant either. They understand that they have a choice.

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Archie,

I’m coming around to your idea.

You ever consider going home and pushing your mother down a flight of steps? Honestly sometimes these fucking dumbass useless bitches don’t know when to die already and give up the $$.

If she doesn’t break her neck first fall feel free to drag her back up (by the hair of course) and toss her down again.

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As usual Eh Intellect is so beyond her depth she has to resort to name calling. I’ll continue to ignore her as everyone else does.

@Sentient – “There is a male use for femininity, which goes beyond sex. So those women aren’t useless. Just getting more rare.”

You’re not really disproving my point here.

If such an important thing can’t be stated simply, how true is it?

That’s telling.

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You’re not really disproving my point here. If such an important thing can’t be stated simply, how true is it? That’s telling. You’re jaded. My wife’s youngest cat: She named Archie. What does that tell you. The answer: Absolutely nothing. You are looking in the wrong place. It’s not a tell. You are making up your own narrative. You are getting ahead of yourself. I know you as a slick, smart guy. I think Sentient is on record with that sentiment too. But for your own sake, don’t burn out on a goal well pursued. Jaded with women (tired, bored,… Read more »

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@Archie – “femininity” (or indeed “masculinity”) cannot be explained or broken down simply.

But both of them can be experienced and understood instantly on an emotional/instinctive level. To me that doesn’t make them invalid in any way (see the discussion about femininity on the last page about Irish women in the music video I posted)

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I think that @Archie has a point and I agree with him. I don’t know what his status is but I don’t think I saw it until the last few years. It’s not until you look at something in hindsight and contemplate the idea of going and doing THAT again that you think “oh my god no”. OK feminine energy and having one in your life – I get this if it’s been long term and you have history etc. In the shape of kids – like all of you lot have. Outside of that, why should I sign a… Read more »

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“Outside of that, why should I sign a contract offering a call option on a load of my shit?” You shouldn’t. I have a buddy that could be a clone of you. He’s also a clone of me. But he deals it jaded-ness. The bitterest of cynics. Former three wives, sister, mom, business partner, hunting partners–always screwed him over, done him wrong. While he is savvy as ever. Just like you, Palma. My judgement is it’s them, not him. And it’s people he can’t dispense with. They hang on him like buggers. I never had that problem of ditching the… Read more »

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@Palmasailor

I’m having flashbacks to the Great Marriage Debate of 2016 – the thing which eventually drove YaReally away from here.

It’s probably one of the only times I disagreed with Ya – after reading all of that in realtime, my main takeaway was that marriage is absolutely worth it (in fact, is basically essential since if you’re an unmarried father you have even fewer rights than a married father) if you want kids. If you don’t want to have kids, then there is much less of an argument for it.

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@WIA “Hence my eternal question for this board to guys who have LTR’s? There has to be a point, or you guys aren’t rational.” “If such an important thing can’t be stated simply, how true is it?” who else will you get to break you out of jail?… or drive the getaway car…lol [can’t find that link…lol] not MY thing… but some dudes like it… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tVzZ5P_q2XQ lol… on a more serious note… can you have ANY yang if you don’t have a solid yin?… more feminine allows you to be more masculine… just part of your design specs… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang my… Read more »

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Culum I don’t want to re ignite the great debate but if you’re thinking of kids I don’t think marriage will offer you any protection. In fact, I’ve witnessed it work out to the contrary here. The power lies with the custody and the manipulation opportunity that offers. In the event of a divorce the state extracts your resources so the woman can do what she wants. You are surplus to her requirements and a pain in the arse in her new life which doesn’t include you. If you’re not married however – over here – the child support element… Read more »

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Palma The crux of the debate was – YaReally wanted ” ideas ” about how to have children, not marry ( because no benefit), still go out and pick up women for sex, while avoiding child support and ” the system “. He couldn’t/wouldn’t grasp that once you have a child, technically you cannot 100% avoid the system if shit goes bad. So he was gonna have a kid, live with mom and child, and hit the field regularly for snl’s. What could possibly go wrong? I liked ya a lot, but all he managed to do during that debate,… Read more »

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Living with a woman on good terms without sky falling on your head seems inconceivable. My wife may shit test every now and then, and her mood swings may cause chronic eye rolling lol, but the moment I need something, she’s there. I’ve never had her wishing bad for me, even in the worst arguments. I’m nowhere near the critical mass of a guard dog situ though. We got close to growing apart, probably similar to Blax’s situ, but I found Rollo early enough to figure out what was happening and undo the bluepill conditioning damage. [Someone should write a… Read more »

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@Blax Marriage or not this is the crux of his “problem”: “while avoiding child support and ” the system “” Call me old fashioned but if you want children you should be thinking in terms of providing for them. No matter what colour pill you are. Anyway, of course if he had neglected his business and was living on a mattress on the floor at pushing 40 he was fucked. My money – thats why he blew, and that’s why they all blow at 40. It happened to me at 33. I woke without a girlfriend after a night out… Read more »

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Hey all thought I should give a quick update of how things are going for me in the field. I am in the early stages of spinning some plates. I have a handful of girls that are interested in me I would say and I have built some attraction in them. I am doing a really good job of keeping frame honestly and that is what I am most proud about because compare that to where I was 1-2 months ago with my ex it is really night and day. I am becoming a better conversationalist with convo threading and… Read more »

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Sentient and Having A Bad Day and Others I wanted to update everyone. My kids have joined their new school and it has been a complete anti-climax. The teacher I was talking to on that dating site does not appear to teach them, and no one seems to suspect anything so I was worrying about nothing as everyone here predicted. It is still a relief though. It will be interesting if I ever do run into that teacher at a school event. On another note there was an interesting interaction with my wife a few days ago. I came home… Read more »

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@TheMarquis I just listened without agreeing Why don’t you try something new next time? It should be an interesting reference experience for you… that could help you get her play on team Marquis more. Just push that boundary a bit. Instead of just listening, look her up and down, smirk and leave. Go out and do something without responding to her texts. No butthurt, just for reference experience. This is a strong message in Cat-o-nese btw: she won’t be getting your attention with that behavior and you have more interesting things to do. Expect more shit testing. Return and act… Read more »

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@TheMarquis

Wrong link, let’s try this one:

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Youngshagger “Let me know your thoughts on my observations and growth” Well unlocking the secret of “Level 5 Hot Game” – at 17 – is impressive. “girls are more taken aback if I talk to them briefly before inviting then to hangout in person. … “They expect you to have some type of rapport with them from going back and forth messaging before you ask them to hangout or it comes across as weird to them. ” It’s not the medium, it’s the message. You need to have the same kind of thing going in person before you ask them… Read more »

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Young Shagger, you are a star now,most of your competition won’t even get up and talk to a girl let alone hundreds of them at once.H/T Now you need to set your sights as high as you can,on the top of the pecking order by popularity. Your chances will be better than if you aim too low. If you meet the girls in private settings then the pecking order comes off the table but in public it will be a line that most wont cross. There are “sexual zones” to consider. https://therationalmale.com/2016/10/16/sexual-zoning/ Back in the bad old days we used… Read more »

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@YoungShagger Great stuff. Keep at it. On this: I also noticed that girls are more taken aback if I talk to them briefly before inviting then to hangout in person. They are so accustomed to instant messaging at my age that they almost are more uncomfortable being asked out in person sadly. They expect you to have some type of rapport with them from going back and forth messaging before you ask them to hangout or it comes across as weird to them. https://conquistaperfeita.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/The-Mystery-Method-How-to-Get-Beautiful-Women-Into-Bed.pdf Jump to The Four M3 Sequencing Mistakes (p. 49). You need to build (1) enough attraction… Read more »

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Marquis, the good part is your wife “loves ” you and is a good mother. The bad part is all her input is misguided,she believes women need to be the authority and it’s healthy for men and boys to be emotional.She is going right in line with the APA and likely is responsible for your sons outburst by encouraging certain behaviors that she is being told are healthy. I wonder if she was proud of his tantrum. Good thing you are young cuz you have your work cut out for you. I don’t think you can directly change her mind… Read more »

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@YoungShagger Nice to see of your pre-selection. Time to use that fact wisely. These are off-the-cuff random comments I have. As if I were talking to my son. My son is 24. I didn’t counsel him much. He has had some great girls and relationships sex with HB9s so far. And never got burned by a girl. Take my thoughts as you wish to. Sorry to the peanut gallery if they lean towards trad con. And I don’t mind if anyone pokes holes or discredits my comments. That’s what comments here are for. Keep in mind that this gives you… Read more »

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YS: “Another challenge I noticed is that I am 5’7” so a lot of girls were my height or a bit taller. The ones that were my height or taller were a lot less apt to grind with me.” YS: “today these “popular” girls who I never talk to randomly had my friend they were with drunk at a party call me so they could tell me how “they were talking about what I said at the assembly and how they really liked it and good luck in wrestling next year” randoms! I am Definitely noticing an increase in social… Read more »

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Marquis and others raising son’s the success of our sons’ lives and independence from the matrix is dependent on us imparting the burden of performance and teaching the red pill truths of interactions with women. What is particularly hard is that the shear momentum of the imperative, or as Rollo says Sisterhood Über Alles, is that women of the current culture are absorbing like a sponge the social justice and feminine communicative, it is in their nature to lean towards the collective and solipsism prevents the majority from seeing beyond there emotive emotional existence. It is particularly important that we… Read more »

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Sentient

I am more than halfway done with MM

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And yes I agree the calibration is key. If I nail that down it doesn’t matter the medium as much so long as I spike attraction first

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I am dead set on not getting in any relationship for a while. And you might have misunderstood what I said about drinking. I was at home with my friend just hanging out, sober, and a wrestling teammate face-timed me from a party on behalf of some drunk “popular” girls who wanted to talk to me. I am a tea totaler. I do not smoke or drink at all.

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Any tips to improving my kino though?

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Marquis You are doing great. 100% of what you are talking about happening happened to me as well. You are going through the process. As IRL points out, time to move from a “safe” non reaction to commanding the situation more. So what have we learned? Maybe “women say one thing but do another” otherwise stated “watch what they do not what they say” right? ““the man I married would never have said something like that” (which is true)” She said “you used to be so mature and sensible when we got married but it is as if you are… Read more »

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Any tips to improving my kino though?

I’d worry more at this point on understanding IOIs and getting basic compliance – getting to this point smoothly and consistently before focusing on kino.

I mean you are what a handful of girls in at this point?

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@YS Since no one answered your question. Start with incidental kino. Excuses to touch her, to break the touch barrier. Examples of this would be: Asking to get a closer look at her necklace/earrings (while you’re hold it in your hands, “I feel like I’ve seen this necklace before….but I don’t remember where”), tattoos (“lol there’s no way that’s a real tat? Looks like one of them temp tats tbh. Here let me see (lick your thumb) then try to wash the temp tat off of her. Damn ok my bad haha. What does it mean tho?”), etc., Or even… Read more »

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Yeah just a handful of girls I am working on spinning. Yes noticing IOIs having effective compliance tests are more important foundational skills than kino at this point. But thanks j

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@Sentient / HABD So the texting with my son was degenerating into absurdity. I texted him and told him I was driving over to collect him and I wanted 10 minutes in the car. He said not to come over, but I got in the car and shared my live location so he knew I was in my way. Then I called the new ex wife’s new bloke and told him I wanted 10 minutes with my son and I was on my way over. He was very shocked I had his mobile number etc.. He’s just had an operation… Read more »

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Nice. @Marquise I also went through those phases. It only gets better. That’s awesome, how you think on your feet. @YoungShagger Keep going. Good advice from J. just touch girls with impunity. And: You are Awesome. Keep it up. @Palma The Idiocracy is in play. Don’t play that game Thanks for reporting. Your son is very attractive and has a long stretch of potentially being successful ahead of him. Just keep trying to lead him. He can use a little bit of your genetics and spunk. He’s a fool to think you don’t know a thing or two. Or that… Read more »

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Marquis “The emotional tone was interesting – it wasn’t anger, it was more like shock and surprise and concern and “WTF” on her part.” Otherwise known as soft dread that her fucking monopoly is slipping away. When you present the narrative here?: She is wrong. You are right. You set boundaries. She recognized that. She knew she was wrong in regards to your son. And perhaps your daughter. She was enticed by your leadership. Good job. And your Frame and Mental Point of Origin is serving her, and your kids better. She’s stopped in her tracks as far as thwarting… Read more »

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“You’re not really disproving my point here. If such an important thing can’t be stated simply, how true is it? That’s telling.” Written by a man in a death spiral of consequence. Use isn’t value and stating such perpetuates a counter-meaninglessness of men by women. For the exact same reason Rollo doesn’t support marriage generally and has little to offer that benefits LTR or marriages, Archie can’t grok much beyond negotiated existence. Abandoning the relationship ship is the order of the day with Archie et. al. He chooses not to understand as it would create dissonance and require change. Willfully… Read more »

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Question: What place should social media such as instagram and snapchat have as a resource to me for game? For example, a HB 7-8 quick added me the other day and I don’t even know her (social proof probably played a role here). Since I do not see her in my daily routine, my only option to start spinning her would be to use SC to my advantage to facilitate a meetup correct? Even though I hate instant messaging as a means to build relationships, this seems the best opportunity for me to maximize some elements of my game with… Read more »

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Youngshagger

” Even though I hate instant messaging as a means to build relationships”

Why is this?

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Sentient Essentially it boils down to this for me in regards to IM. In my last relationship I realized I was snap chatting her a disgusting amount too much. And what would happen is that by the time we actually saw each other there would not be as much to talk about because we already over communicated over snap and our convos would be super superficial. (Although I was not rp then and did not understand convo threading) Regardless, I have found that taking time to snapchat and instant message as a whole is not only superficial and you do… Read more »

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Plus in my ideal dating world verbal and face to face communication would be the gold standard. Ig I am tradcon in this regard.

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@YoungShagger “Even though I hate instant messaging as a means to build relationships” I know what you mean, I hate it too, but I’m 51 and you’re 17. Women think I’m odd because I don’t do it, but at your age I think it’s a fact of life. Over here it’s Snapchat, the kids think Facebook is shit and for grannies. I think it’s ok if done properly, but I’m not the expert. BUT what I do know is that you need to follow the rule of 2/3. Ie you give her 2 texts for every 3 she gives you.… Read more »

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https://thecitybachelor.com/keep-girlfriend-attracted-two-thirds-rule/ Adhere to the golden ratio “Give your woman 2/3 of everything she gives you. For every three calls or texts, give her two back. Three declarations of love earn two in return. Three gifts; two nights out. Give her two displays of affection and stop until she has answered with three more. When she speaks, you reply with fewer words. When she emotes, you emote less. The idea behind the golden ratio is twofold — it establishes your greater value by making her chase you, and it demonstrates that you have the self-restraint to avoid getting swept up in… Read more »

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