For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
@hank
“and then we talked for an hour lol”
Huh? Why no instadate. Drive her to one of the bars you have social proof. Play to win
yeah, holy shit, this is like the best I’ve felt in months. also noticing the smoooothness in my interactions right now. like I’m just instinctively chatting with everyone, and I don’t even realize I’m doing it lol. real quick, since I see j brought up a good point about grocery chick, I didn’t get any interest from her, and rather than burn this to the ground, was more interested in having her as a friend to go out with. she was busy studying, so couldn’t do anything else that day. However, she was interested in maybe going to one of… Read more »
nice, found that scene I was talking about
” . . . what I’ve done these past few days so far, hasn’t really been about getting laid so much as getting out of my shitty headspace.”
Now yer talkin’.
@culum missed your comment. can sort of do what you are saying, and already planned on it, but thing is there are no true “clubs” where I am at. The only places I know of are dance clubs, but they are JUST dance floors. Theres only room to dance. There aren’t tables or a bar to sit at. The only true “club” is that “fast food” club I mentioned from before. I may try to swing by there earlier, but I wasn’t impressed when I went there. Its a place that is close to the downtown areas though so whenever… Read more »
@Blax: worth reading, made me laugh a couple of times.
@Scars: well done man.
I’ve experienced hypergamy the hard way, but that was four years ago so I’m divorced and over it and thankfully am now RP aware. However, recently I was out with friends and I struck up a conversation with an attractive blond who was out with her very average looking friends. Some banter and I notice a very large diamond ring, so I ask her if she’s engaged, not seeing it dwarfed a much smaller wedding band. Anyway, without any prompting, she moves into describing her relationship and how it is failing. At that point I realize she is building up… Read more »
niiice. much better at text game. texting girl I liked from the pub this past weekend. I waited a bit too long to text her, over 48 hours, so was like fuck it it may not work “Hey miss old lady panty girl (referencing my opener)” “who are you?” “You know who I am. I’ll be in the city on x day at about y time. Meet me at z place.” “Really, who is this??” “After all those years and spectacular moments, you are just gonna act like you don’t know me? Your breaking my heart…” she didn’t say anything… Read more »
My Niece is here again -___- So I got some time to kill. Guess I’ll dump some shit and then go through some of this stuff…. (Brain Dump) uhh simple shit noobs should know The fatal mistake a male tends to do is taking women seriously, implying, that they are the same human beings, just with pussy between the legs. This is false in 90% of cases. What is not recognized — you have to work with their feelings. In spite of the fact of what most women would say, their romantic life is replete and rich IF and only… Read more »
@Mersonia, that list was quite possibly the best comment I’ve ever read from you. I’ll be quoting it in a post soon.
@Blaximus “I’m old, so the word ” nigger ” means something totally different to me and it’s use points to ” racist “. But however it’s used and by whoever, it’s not even cool. My dads like 90% black or something. I called him nigga one day when I was mad. I also got kicked out the house the same day. I’m pretty sure he was torn deciding between fighting me and kicking me out. @Scars “. It’s funny because i’ve had LESS sex than about 99% of guys my age!” Lol. You find out most the people saying their… Read more »
@Hank “but what I’m finding is I can do anything past 1 min fairly consistently — its just the opens that are fucking me. Hard to come at it with a lot of energy when I am exhaused from no sleep.” Just say hi……..what comes after is always more important than the open. You can always segue into anything after saying hi….. even I’m super exhausted from no sleep but Xxxxxxxx . “and then we talked for an hour lol. just random chick in front of a grocery store. A Hour is a long time for a female alone sitting… Read more »
@Hank The fun part “yes, but as you can see from my FRs, it takes awhile to get back into a social headspace. that’s why, if you actually want to teach someone, you have to focus on them taking action, and let the negatives slide for the moment. Once you build momentum and positivity, you can just open everyone all the time.” That’s you. “The student with positive reinforcement approached people with a more positive vibe, so gets better results.” Nah…. if you tell some people they’re doing good. They feel good and stop doing it. You tell some people… Read more »
Go to 45 seconds on the video and listen till atleast 1:50
mersonia…. sure not afraid to take on the cold cases; good stuff, even if hank isn’t listening, many others are
Test
I wanna get intro cold approaching. I’ve opened a few sets so far using various openers I’ve read from mystery and a few other pua’s, such as opinion openers and the horse girl opener by Brad P. But they aren’t really helping me get into a discussion. Like the girls don’t care or think it’s weird that a stranger is asking them this? Then I just ask them some questions and it feels like the opener didn’t really ‘work’ or get them talking, and they also don’t really seem to want me around. Now, I know that the RSD guys… Read more »
@mackay – welcome bro. I’m gonna beat Sentient to the usual questions (so that we can help you better): age? Experience with women/n-count? Game experience? We’ve had several incel virgins turn up here in the last year and put in the work and get laid, so doesn’t matter if you are a virgin. Tell us.. Your understanding is correct (about the RSD guys). No harm in using some canned routines and openers while you gain reference experience and improve your subcomms (as long as you don’t become totally reliant on them in the long term). Have you read Mystery Method… Read more »
I’m 29. Slept with 5 girls. All from cold approach. I’ve seen a few of the mystery seminar things. A lot of the lines and routines he used feel VERY incongruent to me, though. It also made pickup seem very complicated and I was very in my head about where I am in the interaction, what I need to say, what routines fit this part of the interaction etc, and I actually got worse instead of better! I then stumbled up the RSD stuff and it felt more congruent. They also made it seem simpler. Like, instead of all of… Read more »
@mackay
The closest to Mystery in rsd was Todd. His videos are not online anymore(at least not on youtube). Two of his products with a lot of infields are “women” and “daygame.” You can find torrents for both of them.
This is from “daygame”
http://imgur.com/a/B6OCC
Mackay Mystery will explain the Why behind the How. Sure use a few Todd lines… but you won’t really make progress until you start understanding the Why. Can you figure out Why this worked? “I opened a girl last night and was like ”Hi, what’s up?” She looked at me with disdain as seems to be common here. I then said ”You look like you’re waiting for a tinder date” and THAT line got us into a little playful conversation.” Do you get it? It’s NOT the words, i.e. the words are not a magic incantation. You prove that later… Read more »
Mackay
Not sure how that Chris Rock video got in there… Ignore that.
This video is very good as an overview of MM. something to watch before you sit down with the book. which you need to get and read and think about until you understand the why…
This is it.
Mackay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km7hnfBMAac
“these are formulas that are based on regular social interaction, there’s a purpose to them. If you don’t understand what the’re supposed to be modeling in regular human behavior, you’re not gonna know how to calibrate them.”
“if you understand why the principle works, then you’ll be cool with it. I want you guys to think about this, whenever you hear a tip, where it’s coming from, what are the underlying principles of it. why do cool guys do it?”
West Indian Archie has a good post up…
“I hope you guys are starting to see how game is really just how people interact with each other on a day to day basis – and we’re merely rethinking our daily interactions with our eye on the ball.”
http://www.westindianarchie.com/what-does-she-want/
nominate for Blogroll…
also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sq4HmadrV4
Interesting… “women are a gift. From men… to me.”
Boom!
@Sent
“Is this complicated?”
For someone who starts, yes it is. There is too much noise in mystery method. The market(=Mackay) is never wrong(=”It also made pickup seem very complicated“).
Powerful move courtesy of plumpjack over at CH: “a weapon of mass seduction which I’ve used to much success, is to firmly grab her by her shirt and pull her close, like you’re about to either playfully bully her or kiss her. then ask her, “was this an expensive shirt?” regardless of her answer, rip her shirt down to her navel. (it’s best if it’s a t-shirt or something, not a $200 anthropologie blouse). then, when she’s in full-on “OMG! you did NOT just do that!” shock-surprise mode, you pull her in for the kiss. later on you can toss… Read more »
Anon01 IDK – Maybe in taking money the market isn’t wrong. A wrong answer though is never correct. Mystery seems complicated when guys just glance at it… or skim it… or put it under their pillow hoping that osmosis will make them learn it, or read it and then do fuck all in the field for years afterwards but hey “they read MM and it didn’t do anything”. It’s a short book, at a what 10th grade level? How to Tie Your Shoes Take one lace in each hand and make an X. Draw the top lace through the bottom… Read more »
@Sentient
Well we do have to consider that most guys who read MM can’t even say hi to a girl.
@Sentient
“But you can fire up some RSD infield and be like “Hey. You!” and miss the 10 other things going on and think “so easy!” and be stuck wondering why it didn’t work.”
My guess is you haven’t watched an rsd product(=/=rsd youtube videos). Same as Mackay. They do answer that “why” you’re talking about. They are free on the internet(eg, @ i d o p e . s e).
I second @Anon01. The RSD infield breakdowns (especially in The Natural, TenGame, and Resonator) are what really took my game to the next level. The RSD videos you see on YouTube are just flashy highlights of the interaction. Not representative of how the full pickup works at all.
men in their tribe https://www.facebook.com/ReturningTheFavor/videos/1942086476062613/ never been a joiner or had a strong ‘tribal’ connection to anything, more of a loner, no doubt; I have a brother I never talk to, don’t even have the urge; when I see things like this I feel the hole in me that’s never been filled and rarely even acknowledged; is this one of our base needs like sex and food? I wonder if it make me incomplete, walking wounded and not even aware of it I know sjf in big on this but please no walls of text; kinda feels good to just… Read more »
sorry, sjf, that sounded meaner than I intended
Anon01
I’ve seen a few. Yes the produxts are more detailed… And thus more complicated.
I’ll just take it from Tyler and Todd… They seemed to do ok learning ground up with Mystery.
@Dr. Zipper Clarifying the concept of tribe. Tribes have value when men join together to get something done. They are a by-product of outward intention to get something done. The good feeling of brotherhood is a by product of the tribes pursuit of a mission or purpose. It doesn’t always gel with tribe. But when it does, there is a lot of added value. ‘Fight Club’ was designed to punch your alter ego in the face, Red Pill Manosphere tribes are trying to be more efficient at personal game, I don’t think it is one of our base needs in… Read more »
*got a hold of forge so working on health stuff with him. he’s been very busy with work, so that’s why he hasn’t been commenting. can go way more in detail over email so hopefully can figure something out. *girl I texted never responded after last text. no surprise, as I got her number off a 2 minute interaction. that’s unlikely to go anywhere. still, good practice with text game. I think I could have gotten her to meetup had I had a longer initial interaction with her. *lol at the married chick I know. when i mentioned the festivals… Read more »
Confessional: So, I had a nagging case of ONEitis the past few weeks. I’m 50, divorced, have a few young kids, and new to RP as of a few years ago, so trying to undo a lot of BP conditioning, which takes an incredible level of consciousness and resolve I’m discovering. The subject is a 41 year old hot girl — tall, slender, very attractive to me, definitely the hottest I’ve had the past few years post-divorce…we dated for a few months a year ago, she flaked, then resurfaced a few months ago this summer. We fucked around for about… Read more »
Neo, I think you did great; you might use her even more to expand your RP understanding, but it sounds like you already have a pretty good understanding and awareness, just need more practice to internalize it
very similar to my own situation, looking forward to hearing of any new developments from you
neo
You did fine… just move on to the next girl.
Maybe she just wanted to meet to keep me in her orbit.
Now you got it… see the other branch broke off and she is grasping for a new one. There a gazillion 40 yos… and they have very few options. Cougar a 30 yo or ltr a 60 yo BB. A fit 50 YO alpha with plates is raw meat in the lioness cage… always remember you are the prize. These women cashed all their checks.
…. Cashed all their checks. Lol, exactly.
Let me expand on this a little bit for the avoidance of doubt. Hot 40yo’s do have options HOWEVER those options are nearly always BB older guys, guys looking to settle down with an “age appropriate” woman. Tons of those guys are after her… But those guys aren’t you. and THAT is the difference. Why? Because fit Alpha 50YO dudes can and do bang and LTR much much younger girls… so they usually are not pursuing these 40YOs. Sure they might come across them and bang them (raises hand) BUT that is different from the guys she is monkey branching… Read more »
dr zipper
Sentient
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I think she’s cashed her checks and is now looking for a line of credit! Sadly each year will bring fewer and fewer options for her. I have a couple prospects lined up this week. I don’t want to give a fuck about any of these plates, but end up that way if I don’t stay aware that the feminine social order we live in keeps trying to jam blue pills back down my throat.
Sentient
So true. I’ve run across 40-somethings that I met a couple years ago that went off-market saying they’ve ‘found’ someone…and then sure enough, one by one, they are back on the market – I’m sure the script was she got bored with the BB guy who they had ‘found’. Lol. So predictable.
Neo50
“I’ve run across 40-somethings that I met a couple years ago that went off-market saying they’ve ‘found’ someone…and then sure enough, one by one, they are back on the market ”
Let this insight guide you… don’t get feelz cause until she locks someone down she is still looking. She has to at this age whether she admits it or not..
and play down a few age groups!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOoDHj8hGGU
Perfect. lol! Thank you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YjkvbiLwno
Little example of the art of story telling… DHV. 16 minutes straight
“but I always run out of things to say”… well tell your stories… don’t speak to get info, to get reactions… tell your stories.
” so check this out” is a good intro…
Goldmund “I’m writing this now just after making love to a very pretty Serbian girl–Serbs/Croatians have beautiful faces with petite bodies–and they fuck like cats in heat. I met her on the street at 8:15 AM. This was a totally new experience for me and I’m basking in the glow of wonder and satisfaction. And I don’t feel bad ‘bragging’ about it because I was blown out a bunch of times last night. When I write about these events, I hope to provide a learning experience, some inspiration, and show what’s possible with hard work and self-improvement. 2007 Goldmund would… Read more »
@culum
you were following the todd debacle right? found some more updates here
https://www.reddit.com/r/PickUpTorrents/comments/6wyzkw/all_updates_for_the_todd_valentine_papa_real/
goddamn, didn’t know it would link the whole fucking article lol. just wanted to post the link
feel free to delete rollo
http://articles.rsdnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Screen-Shot-2016-09-16-at-04.22.11-792×406.png
LOL@Blax’s picture.
Thanks for that Hank – I saw that thread when they first started it but I stopped following it some days ago.
As for RSD Luke – it’s interesting that even YaReally commented that he didn’t like Luke’s style and he’s very asexual and friendly-vibing and that he doesn’t see how he gets results in terms of lays (I’m sure he does out of sheer proximity though). And even YaReally said good things about the social circle side of things..(I’ve never resonated with Luke’s style either)
@ hank I am glad to keep reading your FRs man. Keep it up no matter what. @ mersonia “the fatal mistake a male tends to do is taking women seriously… false in 90% of the cases” Pretty much this. I think this is typical of guys like me who were raised in an intact family by competent mothers and also grew up in an environment of hard-working, well-adjusted women. You assume it is the norm. It probably was. But we are in the jungle now. @ zipper I kinda understand you. I have always been reasonably social but a… Read more »
@culum as for luke, yeah he kinda dials it in. his game is soso — which actually kind of makes his point about working social circles. i watched social circle and didn’t like it much. he seemed high for some of it lol. it wasn’t until much later that he went into his indirect style that he actually had some good info. one of his main points is that you can have killer game, but if you are at some shitty bar, the best you can do is get maybe a 7…which every guy is going to be fighting over.… Read more »
So, I’ve had a few LayReports here now. Had MASSIVE approach anxiety recently though, and i’m still trying to break the pattern of only getting any sorts of results from warmer approaches. Unfortunately the pattern continued last night, and the only joy was from a warm approach (was very close to getting laid with a fairly decent looking girl I used to go to school with and I think i’ll likely bang her within a few weeks) First open was a super hot 18 year old. JUST MY TYPE! I was standing next to her, thinking of how best to… Read more »
Scars…
Worth circling back to this. Lots to work with here but you need to start following some Game structure and winging it less.
Palma…
“He’s just worked out for himself enough about how they work to realise how to treat them.
At some point quite soon there will be an ‘a ha!’ Moment as the RP hits mainstream”
hahaha. Back to the future..
@scars “I didn’t have any cool comebacks or anything and there was probably an awkward silence and then I was just like ”Cool”. Here’s an easy one to remember: disagree with her (here on here age) on ridiculous shit. Whatever she says you reply “i don’t believe you” “you’re full of shit” even if it’s clearly true (like if she shows you her ID to prove her age, go “aha i knew it. My father is a cop he showed me how to tell if an ID is fake or not. You’re in big trouble” nonsense) “I accuse her of… Read more »
@hank – yeah, I haven’t watched Social Circle Blueprint yet but everything you’re describing sounds like more detailed versions of stuff YaReally used to say. I think it’s totally legit and useful stuff to build social proof, etc and it CAN get you laid by itself, but it’s not really a substitute for building the rest of the Game skillset.
Scars
Where are you on Mystery Method?
“Next I open another 2 girls who are seated down. This one was quite painful, lol. One hot girl and one very average girl. ”
So they are at a table? What was the set up here?
How would Mystery handle this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvpFPIUl4hg
all the old standards…
scars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC8X-btgrzk Time to get strategic… watch the first five minutes… watch the locking in, the creating social proof… not bullrushing every slash… The average one smiles but she just has a super suspicious look on her face like she’s confused about me approaching her. When you go up to a seated two set ( I am assuming they are at a two top table and there are no chairs around etc.) you better be able to bring some real high value quick cause that is a low probability set otherwise, especially if you haven’t built any social proof up.… Read more »
Palma
“‘Treat em mean keep em keen’”
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TZ872Ii9F18/S-VqIaJjPiI/AAAAAAAAAQc/Pacet7EcaSI/s1600/AC0010.jpg
@scars Think of it as displaying your behaviors to everyone in the club, not only the girls you’re opening. Even if they don’t get hooked immediately, you’re seen interacting with them rather than just standing there and stroking your drink. Who cares if THEY are not sure they like you yet, you win either way because you’re playing chess not checkers. You’re the highlight for the whole club at the same time. Look at Cajun with his delivery of “do I look like a drug dealer” line: https://youtu.be/PWG70HDRDbs It doesn’t matter what they say, he leans back and has fun… Read more »
Watch it without sound
+1
So much is conveyed with “small game”… Posture, little micro roll offs, 1/4 turns…
@culum yeah its kind of like having money — you can get all kinds of girls as long as you throw money at them. but its not really game. so his social circle stuff works — and to be fair, it works a lot better than money or even looks since you are pinging all those triggers (social proof, leader of men, jealous game, etc) — its just not really GAME. He’s right on his perspective of social game and indirect game being the ultimate, because you can only get access to large numbers of 10’s if you can get… Read more »
Real quick There is no ” top ” or ” bottom ” actually. In the final analysis, money doesn’t mean shit. Good looks are mostly an accident and random as fuck. A ‘ 10 ‘ is just another girl. Did I miss anything? I used to get all befuddled when Ya would post up all of those Tyler videos because I’d watch them to see the points Ya was making with them, but it was painful because the RSD squad had awful game. It was terrible. The drug dealer video above… I mean, shit. But…. Wherever these guys are, this… Read more »
@Blax:
I don’t get the Tyler hate (or Cajun or the other RSD crew for that matter).
Not that you care, but it makes you look jealous more than anything else.
It is clear to me and to people with much more game than me that they have good skill and that their game is effective, and there are several RSD videos with day game where the girls are not in clubs and there isn’t alcohol. And when I see the day game specialists it looks pretty similar to what the RSD guys usually do in clubs anyway.
@Blax – gotta agree with IAS here dude. I’ve posted about this before and YaReally had many discussions with you about it. To a Natural, the RSD stuff seems to go down one of two ways – (1) either seems childishly simple and basic/obvious (like advice along the lines of “they are just girls – don’t be scared to talk to them”) even though it isn’t to most men or to RSD’s target audience (this is what you call “overthinking”), OR, (2) what the RSD guys do doesn’t look like what YOU (or another Natural) does to successfully get chicks… Read more »
PS – I don’t think you’re jealous in the least – I think you have internalized this stuff since childhood to the point where you act on instinct that it is hard for you to relate to a thought process or to men who didn’t have your advantages growing up and find enormous benefit in having it explained simply and broken down step by step – to you it just comes across as childish or “overthinking”. For similar reasons it is also hard for you to look beyond the superficialities of Tyler’s style (which appears so different from yours) to… Read more »
“Not that you care, but it makes you look jealous more than anything else.”
That’s what Amway salespeople used to say to me when I rejected their product.
@Blaximus Oh yeah, don’t pretend you’re an actual drug dealer. But I don’t think anyone misunderstood this point. It’s a joke because it’s obvious he isn’t one. Sure thing he did it over the top for the cameras too. The take away though is that even this works. Because of the underlying WHY. It flips the right attraction switches and it doesn’t matter the guy could be a lazy bum or a boring clown beyond this interaction. I know PUAs who pull consistently and are boring as fuck when you interact with them in every day life. In their 30s,… Read more »
I’ve read most of mystery method, but I tend to rely on RSD for game material now after coming across them. Watching a mystery infield vs an RSD infield is like looking at two completely different things, and I feel like I resonate with RSD guys more. It seems as though the RSD guys can get away with breaking lots of rules (for example, going direct or going straight into interview mode etc) and kind of just being ‘normal’ – I guess the idea is that it’s things like vocal tonality and body language etc that provides the DHV and… Read more »
@Ias @Culum
Blax jealous of these clown ass pussys,LOL.
If you can’t steal women from these puas,regular you are proly gay.
What you guys need to do is work the door at a club and watch people,learn what the games are that they play.You will see it all,and learn who is the real thing and who is scamming. When you can spot the pi’s and who they are getting paid to watch you will be onto something,at least able to pay attention.
Jealous Ha.
@stuffinbox – you may want to read what I actually wrote @scars – the thing is, the RSD stuff and Mystery Method aren’t different. RSD is just applying the Mystery Method principles in a slightly different way. They may not use the same lines and DHV stories and what not, but they sure as hell go through A1-A3, etc etc (sometimes faster than you think – to give just one example, if a girl in a club is looking at you and making eye contact with you and you go over to her (even more so if she actually touches… Read more »
Culum – Yes I agree. As I said, The RSD guys use tonality etc to ‘DHV’ – and that’s what I try to do. I just don’t get the results they get. Like, breaking rapport tonality might get a girl to start qualifying herself to Julien, whereas I might get a ‘weirded out’ reaction. Maybe almost combative, and not in a good way, lol. And I have tried a fair few routines and stuff now, but as I say, the girls don’t tend to really care about these DHV stories. Regarding MM, I’ve already read most of the book and… Read more »
I like reading these FR’s. Shame yareally isn’t here to give his breakdowns and tips. Does he post anywhere else that any of you know of?
@scars – yeah, it doesn’t work because you’re not good enough yet. It’s a question of practice and congruence. You need to build up to it because you can’t use Julien’s lines yet – you’re congruent enough to them. For example it took me a long time to get sexual quickly with dates. I started off by going for a hug..then I escalated to saying early on that she “smelled fantastic” when she came close to me. Then I went to saying in the first five mins that she has sexy legs, then then later “sexy ass”, now it’s physically… Read more »
Reading all this RSD drama, makes me wonder if it’s even possible to teach Game that is both effective in getting chicks, time efficient, and relatively affordable. There is an endless market, but doesn’t seem to be a good hands on product.
”The YaReally post you’re talking about – where he talks about the “open, tease..” structure – just memorize a list of lines and a couple of stories following that structure and try it on 30 girls a night for the next few weeks – you’ll see a dramatic improvement.” Yep, this is also where i’m looking at. It’s true that I need a much bigger sample to get some sort of statistical significance, although I did try using certain pre-planned opens followed by a tease. (It was like a breaking rapport tonality of asking the girls who they are, and… Read more »
WIA
RSD has no incentive to make game efficient or affordable.
Scars – when you’ve read all of Mystery… Lol. And can breakdown an RSD video between the different phases, then you will understand.
Fwiw Yareally always recommended MM
http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/4/#comment-heartiste-659661
@ Archie That’s basically the point I was addressing Wrt to RSD. I believe ” game ” can be taught to a great extent, I just don’t think it can be taught to the masses via codification. Guys are just too different. I believe more in Game for Life. Only concentrating on Game for Sex… I don’t know how effective that is over time. That’s why there’s such a enormous failure rate in that market, and endless clientele. Shortcuts are great, but one can’t base an entire skill set on only a series of shortcuts. That doesn’t make sense. Guys… Read more »
@Everyone: I don’t at all think Blax is jealous of the PUA game skills, I just don’t get why he tears them down once in a while, particularly with respect to their game skills. He could pretty much say they are bad people or greedy. I don’t think they are bad people but they certainly do care about the money, Sentient totally has a point… RSD arguably has a built-in conflict of interest in teaching effectively as that could cause them loss of repeat customers. @Blax: I see some contradiction on you saying they can’t teach game to the masses… Read more »
It’s not about the instructor, it’s about how effective what they are teaching is. That’s all. What measure of light bulb understanding do guys get from the stuff these guys teach? Maybe they need to call what they do something other than ” game “. Stick with seduction or How To Pick Up Girls or some such. I’m saying getting 15 or 20 guys in a room and going through a system with them, is not really teaching them ” game “. That’s what the talk about difficulties and plateaus is all about. That’s why that happens. There is no… Read more »
@Blax Yeah, a lot of guys that come into this don’t have the basic social skills, awareness of others, awareness of self, understanding social cues – to become top players. But 1% should be enough to get most of them girlfriends. @ Sentient That’s a shame. There are basically levels to this. Consistent approaching, building a social life, dealing with objectively hot women, managing debauchery, alternative relationships, leveraging social skills in different contexts… A lot of which can be Although it is possible to learn enough “tricks” to bang a stripper out of uniform that you run across at some… Read more »
@scars “the results would vary a lot. I’d get a good reaction in one set, and then the next set would look at me like I was socially retarded for saying such a thing. I’d be thinking ”Was there some sort of difference in my body language in this set? Was my tonality different?”, but the other part of me was thinking ”It’s obvious. The good reactions are from girls who thought you were good looking. The bad reactions are from girls who thought you weren’t!”. When there’s potentially infinite variables, and even then you can never know for sure,… Read more »
@blax There is no ” top ” or ” bottom ” actually. In the final analysis, money doesn’t mean shit. Good looks are mostly an accident and random as fuck. A ‘ 10 ‘ is just another girl. If you want to get all zen about it sure. But it takes a lot to get to that point. A guy who knows what he’s doing can walk all over a guy who just has cash. He’s got more life experiences, a greater sense of self, a greater skillset than someone who just happens to inherit a fortune. However, most guys… Read more »
Blax
“That’s why there’s such a enormous failure rate in that market, and endless clientele.”
While Game (capital G) is accesible to all… Only a subset will avail themselves of it, persevere and succeed. We see it here, for free…
Same as it ever was… Reality dictates not every dick will wet, will procreate. Game marketing – autistic hope – mandates equalism… A pussy on every cock. But that is the old sell.
Selling hope. Never gets old.
Reality is yet a bitch.
@IAS @Culum @Blax: I don’t get the Tyler hate (or Cajun or the other RSD crew for that matter). Not that you care, but it makes you look jealous more than anything else. @Blax – gotta agree with IAS here dude. @stuffinbox – you may want to read what I actually wrote I know you guys aren’t gay and don’t believe Blax is jealous. If you look at things from a 57yo perspective,starting in sales and customer service at the age of 12yo..Learning proper respect for customers includes what and what not to say.Success depends greatly on Sentients big 3… Read more »
Roy (not his real name), “Yo! You sound like you’re jealous of the neckbeard!”
(Later)
“I’m not saying you’re really jealous….just that, that you SOUND like you’re jealous…”
Roy (not your real name), you sound like you’re on the pay roll.
…. I wasn’t even gonna address the ‘ jealous ‘ thing, but if I ever find myself jealous of any other man after doing everything in my power to live life fully as I wanted, I’d immediately drive up to Niagara and leap into the falls.
I don’t know if there’s a multi-level marketing scheme out there in the PUA world, but the level of defensiveness makes me suspect there might be.
Blax
I’d immediately drive up to Niagara and leap into the falls.
Now you’re just showing off…
Stuff
Making a sale is a live or die situ,it can literally make or break you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud4bnZ26E0Y
“And save the cheap salesman talk, it’s obvious” – G.G.
@Blaximus September 4, 2017 at 11:05 am “Guys can be taught real game, its better the younger they are, but if it’s solely about hawt pussy, lol, it’s not real game. Look, if a guy is fucking some chick or a dozen chicks, it doesn’t mean he has game. Get this – women fuck men all the time. If most guys just understood that much they’d get laid more.” Some commenter mentioned recently Jack Donovan’s essay Everyone’s a Harlot. Of course he’s a traditionalist in the essay like F. Roger Devlin (old set of society books), (which I’m fond of).… Read more »
Not to jump to conclusions, the first thing I learned doing door to door sales was how to handle rejection.
@SJF Yeah, it was me who mentioned “Everyone A Harlot”. It is a brilliant essay. 100% true. Reading stuff like that is like reading about the Vietnam War, all while I am right there myself. I have spent the entire summer hitting on women. I have had some success: made out with 3 or 4, could have slept with one. But the cost is enormous. Right now I don’t have a 9 to 5 job so I can pull it off, but for a regular guy it would seriously interfere with his working life. Texting, dates, grooming, clothes… it is… Read more »
@Oscar “….but for a regular guy it would seriously interfere with his working life. Texting, dates, grooming, clothes… it is quite a chore. I can see why LTRs are the preferred option for many guys. Less anxiety.” Keep in mind though, that even though that may be a preferred option, the trick is Not to Settle. That’s where your own personal Mastery comes into play. Where you Know Yourself. You have competency and confidence in many areas of your life, and strength and courage to pursue your well defined or well desired goals. Inner desire and inner intention are one… Read more »
SJF
http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1P0Z
For some reason it resonated.
Thanks a lot for the book suggestion, SJF. As Richard Nixon would have said, “I am not a quitter”. I do moan a lot while in the process, though. I can’t help it 🙂 I have come to believe that the manosphere is particularly useful to guys like myself. Guys with low self-esteem (in the sociosexual realm) but an immense pride. It is a horrible combination at times because you simply can not accept your inferior status, hence the occasional suicidal thoughts. But it also is a powerful motivator to change. I know I have the apha-ish foundations there. My… Read more »
@Scars, Re: friendliness of People in the UK It depends where you go, the aloofness you’re describing is prevalent in the South East particularly the big towns and cities. It’s less of a thing if you head north. At least that’s my experience. Despite this, most people if they’re not in hurrying off somewhere or at least have some social skills will stop and pass the time of day if you happen to say something even vaguely pertinent about them or the surroundings (for example the weather). I’ve never been for a night out on my own to some of… Read more »
@Scars,
I would also add, central London is an exception to that, in that it’s full of tourists.
@Scars, Re: friendliness of People in the UK It depends where you go, the aloofness you’re describing is prevalent in the South East particularly the big towns and cities. It’s less of a thing if you head north. At least that’s my experience —————- Yep, you guessed it – i’m in a town in the South East, lol! But rather than use it as an excuse, i’m determined to find the magic ‘vibe’ that allows me to open people a high % of the time on nights out. My fallback seems to be to veer into a JulienRSD vibe on… Read more »