For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BT9dY28gMCz
Julien continues his exploration of authenticity… now delving into “genuine authenticity”… shirt still on for now though.
@Hank
What do you get when you turn a blond upside down?
A dirty brunette.
You can track any woman across the bed. One night I was doing this with my penlight and caught up to a slug. I suppose I should have been dissapointed,it really didn’t bother me that much.
Biker bar karaoke Friday. I know the owner well enough, he comes by and shakes Mrs. Eh’s, my hand. Speaking of introductions, girls, women don’t ever approach me, they do chat with Mrs. Eh, sometimes after peeking me. This is a routine happening. Months ago, same bar, a 1:1 height/girth 30’s woman with a 4″ wide circumferential necklace tattoo, woo-woo fortuneteller chatted Mrs. Eh. Mrs. Eh baited me to ask her about all the mindreading. I didn’t bite and told Mrs. Eh, the chubby was interested in tongue fucking her, there was no goodwill there, hence the usual clairvoyant seeds… Read more »
@EhIntellect: this isn’t the first FR of yours where there are underlying hints that you antagonize other guys. It even seems you do it on purpose, for fun? Are you trying to DHV in front of your wife by doing this? What is your game plan here? I think you don’t actually want to have fights break out, shouldn’t you rethink some of your actions? You can AMOG dudes without inciting fights, or you can just not AMOG dudes and still game other girls in front of your wife – dread is probably more effective than violence, assuming your woman… Read more »
@IAS Good point. I’m usually doing my happy thing. Singing and all. They then come at me. Comments, fucking with me. Hell yeah I do it on purpose. It’s called game. You’re right, I could chill, sit and let them kinda run the roost as they like. Sing, sit, ignore it all and then get out. It’s their scene. Right? I show early, could leave before they arrive, cut my night short to oblige them. You’re spot on, I was looking over my shoulder after I left. No snark, how would you AMOG drinking college guys, to the edge, but… Read more »
@Eh
No snark, how would you AMOG drinking college guys
Usually you bring comfort by giving social proof and leading somehow, I believe. Also by turning someone into a lolcow, maybe.
“I’m giving this awesome party with a live band and strippers Sat and you should totally be there.”
“You all are invited to my next cookout. Give me your nos. and I’ll send directions and the time and date.”
@ASD
I like that. That’ll be funny.
“Hey man, you look awesome…nah, I don’t want a date…but he does” [as you point at another guy in the group and grin]
Just be playful, teasing with guys
I was serious about inviting guys to your house party if you want…you have to be careful about underage drinking
lolcow stuff:
“Hey man, aren’t you up past your bedtime?”
“Are you still playing with GI Joe?”
“When’s your mom throwing your next birthday party? I want her to invite me, too.”
EhIntellect Well if the barb fits they wear it… Lol. Thing is, a slim dude with some money and frame and skill you ARE going to get tested by guys. They hate seeing a guy do well that they think they can take. Just a hazard of being out in places like that. So realize just you being you is provoking them… You don’t have to do much more than hold your frame. Because they are already reacting to you… You are winning. I’d just keep smilinh and laugh them off… Maybe toss out a ” I remember my first… Read more »
@Sentient
Maybe toss out a ” I remember my first beer” line…
I remember my first taste of beer…I was five years old and my dad let me have a sip at home with his men friends. I felt so grown up.
Heh
Ever since i could walk it seems I remember Grandad saying get him a beer and I’d go get it… He open it and say “drink the foam off”… Schlitz was his brand till they folded.
Now I want a beer…
“I was serious about inviting guys to your house party if you want” What could go wrong? Oh yeah… High school, parents divorced, I lived with Dad, a traveling salesman. I hosted a dozen or so house parties. A few ended as clusterfucks, cops, kids running everywhere, oh the clean up. Was great until I stopped caring about hiding the half barrels. Having enough, Dad kicked me out. I don’t blame him. Heh. Slept at buddies houses until I enlisted Army recruiter the next month. Some of my LOL memories. I did ask dancing guy if he was looking to… Read more »
@J have you heard of the no true Scotsman fallacy? By your rationale any failure with any women can be explained by the guy not being alpha enough. So, you have one ball, no hair, you’re in a wheelchair and you lost the girl, but the problem was you weren’t alpha enough in your situation, because if you were, she’d have stayed. Presumably it is indeed possible to be alpha enough to get a girl in that situation, but to think women aren’t selective about certain features is just dumb. A more honest approach is that for any given ‘handicap’… Read more »
@Black pill “you’re in a wheelchair and you lost the girl, but the problem was you weren’t alpha enough in your situation, because if you were, she’d have stayed’ Yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=168_RwITSCg “I followed up on this topic over at Heartiste and he reckons 20% of girls are hardwired to be attracted to older men, and that you should figure out if a given girl is in that group, and just next her if she’s not. Sounds about right..” Who gives a fuck what they’re hardwired to be attracted to. Does that mean those girls wouldn’t fuck young guys with game… Read more »
@EhIntellect: I’m not an expert but you are pretty much the only person posting FRs that seems to consistently get into (fortunately minor) conflicts, and if I recall there was one situation where you AND your wife were involved in a physical altercation that you didn’t want. Regardless of it being your fault, their fault, the type of venue you go to, it probably pays to learn how to handle it socially. I can’t teach you but someone else here may be able to, as long as you want to learn instead of discounting that it does happen to you… Read more »
@Black Pill @pua
Game > everything else
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/05/18/the-assumed-alpha/
@theasdgamer wrote “Ajax, “Nice guy” can mean two different things to chicks: 1) “He’s a nice guy, but….” …a girl telling her friends that a man is unattractive 2) “You seem like a nice guy–let me give you my number.” …a girl telling a man that he is attractive context matters” I agree with you, it does. However, I have been able to calibrate my success by seeing if I can eliminate any utterances of NG all together. As Rollo mentioned, it’s along the lines of the “Hell, yes!” enthusiasm that I want to see. For instance, I started mercilessly… Read more »
Dropping in very quickly here to support/add to what @J is saying to @Black Pill – Black Pill, the point is not that a stinking homeless druggie with torn clothes on the street can pull supermodels by standing outside a nightclub by using “Game” – that’s a reductio ad absurdum divorced from reality (although go back a couple years in the Heartiste archives and you’ll find the discussion about the actual homeless dude in NYC who pulls hot chicks with accompanying video – and I’ve personally seen a homeless dude – who looked like one – chat up an 8… Read more »
Observational Field Report – Yoga Pants
As if skin-tight yoga pants were not revealing enough—they have been enhanced. Today, I saw an early 20’s girl walking a dog with her boyfriend. She was wearing yoga pants that not only had lighter colors on the buttocks and outer thighs, but also had a vertical black stripe running down her ass crack to draw yet further attention to her buttocks and the up-down movement short-legged women display when they walk. For that which we used to have to somewhat imagine, we now have reference lines.
For Softek and others paralyzed by fear of fucking up I fucked up several times last night…missed a girl’s IOD and she bailed…missed a girl throwing herself at me…my convo was very mundane…and yet… …Girls were rubbing their tits against me all night… …one in particular, a smokin’ hot petite young blonde in glasses was lit up to dance with me…she moved her hand from my back to my waist and down to my butt (beta bait shit test which I could have ignored, but my action was stronger because it put her firmly in the chasing role)…I moved her… Read more »
In light of Rollo’s Essay this week on State Control: (TL;DR: I got furiously angry in a non-butt-hurt fashion and had a spectacular display of it and lived to tell about it the next day.) I had an enjoyable day last evening up until the last minute. And then I got really angry and lashed out in an angry tirade on my wife. But I maintained good State Control. I felt control of myself and no uncertainty in real time. Both of us were feeling kind of crappy in the afternoon. We had signed up to play couples league golf… Read more »
Need some input from you guys. The FR will follow up later, I had a day game opportunity which was pretty much ideal apart from language barrier and I just had to game (arguably language barrier was even in my favor). So I did my first number close (it would have been a number close if I had my mobile with me, instead she added me to social media right there in front of me – I got the number already just to make it count). I set up what I guess has to be considered a dinner date for… Read more »
@IAS Here’s my take. Cancel the dinner. Too predictable boring date-signaling. Do the strolling thing after work, hit a happy hour and then pull her back to your place for casual sushi or another interesting food delivery. Hopefully you have a cool terrace or roof deck or the like. What you’ve described is too much time with her to then lead into some kind of dinner date (the latter of which is AFC territory). Pay for the delivery and order for you both. Ask what she does not like, then order what you want and tell her that she’s really… Read more »
IAS
What are you trying to acheive here?
Even though Sentient spelled achieve wrong. I see what he is doing here. Narrator: There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone. This is not a half-ass-it-situ. This is not romance (you did that with your wife, hows that… Read more »
@Ajax: I don’t drink and while arranging a place to go she told me she doesn’t drink (before she knew I didn’t). It is a great idea to get take away or delivery. I will investigate my options there in advance so that I am prepared. @Sentient: my mindset when setting the dinner was basically “I’m going to have dinner anyway, better with a pretty girl”. I wrote “Join me for dinner” and she actually accepts. So I started thinking “How far can I get?” I want to pull her to my room, and I’m willing to F close if… Read more »
FR: Work trip, foreign country, can’t speak the language. I go out of the hotel for some sport. Go one direction, nobody there, not great place to practice. Go opposite direction and, just as I’m getting to a great place for my practice (where I would stay even with no one there), there is a girl there doing more or less the same as I am, by herself. I great her from the distance and she greets enthusiastically (IOI). I go past her (I’m a bit faster) as a beginner but she is even more beginner, and she starts talking… Read more »
IAS my mindset when setting the dinner was basically “I’m going to have dinner anyway, better with a pretty girl”. I wrote “Join me for dinner” and she actually accepts. OK I figured this was it. And lo and behold you executed well on your intent to have dinner… Like in sport, the path follows what the eye is looking at. So now you are left with “Oh shit… How can I salvage this to get something else out of it”. So let this be a lesson on INTENT. Alpha Fucks is all about intent. Beta Bux is all about… Read more »
@Sentient: massively good advice. I was probably not expecting success and buffering so I instinctively went for a play with more chance of success of something instead of the play of more chance of true success. I was totally doing her logistics for her as you say. My lack of experience is obvious, hopefully not as obvious to her. Given that I messed up and decisively went for dinner I’m not sure changing the plans with her is a good idea. A re-schedule increases risk of flake and the risk of confusion (machine translation is imperfect). Anyway for the presumed… Read more »
Sentient is spot on as usual. Very quick point on home – a tip I picked up long ago on Krauser’s blog – when you get her home/to hotel room I usually leave her alone for 30 secs – 1 min in the living room or similar to let her get comfortable and get used to the idea of being alone with a guy in his place -I go to the restroom or get water or something – and her subconscious “knows” she can run out the door if she wants, and by staying it is more proof she wants… Read more »
IAS “Must keep buying temperature high on the bus/tram though…” So a 45 minute tram or bus ride back to your place? ehhhh… that is a looong time man. Why not just set up near you now. Or meet her halfway and go back to a place closer to your place? feel free to change things up… Also if you ned up just doing dinner Date Night 1… don’t stress… plenty of guys have sex on Day 2 or 3… No big deal… the goal after the first date is still sex… and then putting her into rotation. No one… Read more »
@SJF
Last week, on our way on the town, I matter of factly lay down ground rules to Mrs. Eh re: socializing, gave her a few options to choose from. Told her I will stop bringing her out if she can’t comply. She agreed and did as I asked too. Preventive medicine worked.
IAS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT8_RMQ2Uuo @2:51…. You want your environment to work FOR you, with nothing random or unexpected happening… Seating, lighting, smell, music – MOOD… So things can “just happen”… This is a big topic. Check out Kant’s posts on Sedfast and CH. Wala has some good stuff here and Culum as well… Mucis – hypnotic, nonjarring, sensual and sex positive… Bonus points for it being different from what she might listen to. In the old days, Sade was typical, low key R&B too… Today with Spotify etc. No excuse not to have a solid hour playlist ready to go at the… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TYv2PhG89A
And for you IAs, playa… Smoove Operator….
@IAS @Sentient “So a 45 minute tram or bus ride back to your place? ehhhh… that is a looong time man. Why not just set up near you now. Or meet her halfway and go back to a place closer to your place? feel free to change things up…” Ya change it up. She doesn’t care about dinner/change of plans. She just wants to escape her boring life and have a fun time with this charismatic man she just met for a couple hours. Closer to your place = higher % of giving her what you both really want. good… Read more »
@Everyone: you guys have schooled me, you are right. Major props on Sentient as he completely got where I was coming from. I will tell her I need to pre-pone one day (looks like chance of rain for the original) and move closer. If she can’t make it too bad. Will think it through well before I engage her on chat though. @Sentient: damn, now I want to do it with Bolero playing. I was just going to put Power Rangers music on: https://xkcd.com/400/ Also, Smooth operator will be very self-amusing now. One hour huh. Burden of performance indeed 😛… Read more »
Sexy music
Old fav.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMiEFyTuuh8
just kidding
maybe this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPOTQBEe2eA
or this
@ Sentient
Woah, you killed me with Sade. I was having multiple sexy-time flashbacks.
Yeah, back in the day Sade and Luther and Earth Wind and Fire was always on deck.
But what do the youngin’s listen to today? Or do they even really get into ambience that much?
*pondering*
My new school list includes this song, lol but even my ‘ new school ‘ is 4 years old…
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEm3lY3trRU&w=854&h=480%5D
…. she got gamed by some dude and now she’s sprung. Subliminals!!!
…. er…. she killed him in the video though, Lol, but the lyrics are the thing. Don’t show chicks the video lest you catch a errant steak knife.
@All: I canceled for the other day and offered the day before it as compensation for her. I am the prize, even the “I’m going to have dinner anyway might as well be with a pretty girl” mindset was wrong as that makes her the prize. She was quick to reply, saying she has a medical appointment on the day I tried to pre-pone to (this is credible, but excuse or true doesn’t really matter – if it was an excuse it beats “I have to wash my hair” which I would have found funny). I said “Maybe on Saturday… Read more »
@IAS Reading through your FR and commentary I found many similarities to my former approach. I think everyone has an approach that works for them as well as their goals for their interactions with the opposite sex. I used to think that a date should be “fun”, “creative”, and “impress her”. Now that my eyes are open and I am no longer merely lucid dreaming I understand that if you have attraction wired tight the rest is inconsequential. I have my first date spots logistically sound and all leading to isolation at some point in order to take advantage of… Read more »
Blax Yeah the best times were going back to her place… And she setting the scene. Candels lit, put on something more comfortable while you got a drink and she busts out her sensual mix tape. Always Sade on that. No LMR non of this stuff… Just anticipatory build up. Every now and then I think about doing Day 2 and Day 3s… Maybe taking a mistress for some longer term interactions. Usually after meeting a cool girl. But SNL stuff is so powerful… You know right where it all stands and usually there is so much rawness that there… Read more »
@IAS Glad to see you ditched a sit-down dinner. That’s such a setup for go-nowhere clichéd first date boring-assed theatrics. Fuckin waiter always busts in with asking about dessert; silverware clanking and guarded conversations; usually shit music and the inability to get up and move around with aplomb. Maybe Sentient and others are thinking this, but I will be the first to be direct with you. Her response to your alternative suggestion is tepid at best and it’s primarily because you come across as wishy-washy. Never use “maybe” when it comes to your plans and self-direction. Also don’t use, yes,… Read more »
@IAS “She was quick to reply, saying she has a medical appointment on the day I tried to pre-pone to (this is credible, but excuse or true doesn’t really matter – if it was an excuse it beats “I have to wash my hair” which I would have found funny). I said “Maybe on Saturday then” as that was my original timebridge in person, she went “We will see :)” and I finished with “Yes, we will”. That was fairly painless.” This might be just nitpicking but.. – I would have replied “lol” to the medical appointment excuse and waited… Read more »
sade so good lol though people tell me its pronounced sHAAAday. I tell them to go fuck themselves. Its Saydeee. Don’t care what the singer herself says. anyway need two things to happen #1 already had an interview to be manager where I work. will know if I get the job the 30th. need this job, and by this job, i mean the health insurance #2 need the heath problems I have now to be able to be fixed. I’m about broke from trying to fix things as best I can without insurance, but its only slightly solved the problem.… Read more »
@Blax
But what do the youngin’s listen to today? Or do they even really get into ambience that much?
Gangsta rap. With edibles the beat just seems to keep going on forever
@Hank
This song will cure anything.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTFD5DZwK7g&w=560&h=315%5D
Good points you all. I probably messed up even in the brief chat. My goal was to cancel and offer an alternative. I didn’t need to offer the 2nd alternative right away at it probably tanked my chances.
Just to be clear, the sport thing is me going out and doing some sports outdoors (like when I met her). If she wants to come practice on the same spot at the same time, even better.
@Hank good luck with breaking through to the other side.
@IAS Thanks for your reply. Great example of how aggression plays out. The DPA guys, the sober, are lucid to the game. It’s the ego-bruised, emotionally wobbly I watch out for too. You handled it smoothly. The big, secure, relaxed types don’t care about me. Those guys pay me no mind as they haven’t anything to prove. It’s always mid level thirsty 20 somethings, a little too midsection soft, a little too unkempt, Betas…and it never escalates beyond words. Why? IMO they’re testing my mettle, don’t want to the hard work of actually gaming girls, prefer WKing, want to DHV… Read more »
EhIntellect
“You ever take time at night…you know…when it’s silent and you can think clearly…stare at the moon…and wonder how you got to this point in life?”
Nice… 25 eh? See Black Pill??? Seriously they love older guys and this kind of stuff… just don’t lapse into Sugar daddy or Daddy Daddy territory (solving all her problems etc.) and you will be golden.
Here’s the kicker!!
My trailer tire blew on a busy 70 mph highway. Drove the flat into town wearing, get this, a wife-beater, ratty plaid pants, black high tops, grease and dirt on my clothes, face and arms. I had an hour to waste.
She didn’t even mention it.
We woo-wooed personality types too. That was solipsistic gold…
@culum @stuffinbox thanks. called today to see doctor, he’s available tomorrow. so I take that as a good omen…last time I had to wait almost two months to get in. I’ll go over the issues with sleep and other problems I’m having, and see if I can get some medicines to take care of it. Like I said, I think my sleep issues are also causing all the other problems. Hopefully that will be the case, and if I can get a pill than can help me sleep right, then it will fix all my other issues and I will… Read more »
Preselection Theory for Older Guys Here’s how preselection works for older guys. Assume about 20% of girls PREFER older guys, 60% don’t care, and 20% PREFER younger guys. You work the room, do several approaches, Don’t focus on pretty girls or young girls. If you dance, it’s as easy as asking girls to dance. You want to dance with/approach lots of girls to get PRESELECTION working for you. You will likely get several rejections at first. Rejections actually HELP you because girls notice if you persist despite rejections. When you persist despite rejections, you are demonstrating confidence, ergo, you are… Read more »
@Hank I’ve been successful at learning a lot of new things in the past 56 years. I have been golfing since 1975 and back then I took up a number of sports and physical activities and decided to teach myself because I was stubborn and back then no one heard of getting lessons on leisure pursuit activities. I was very coach-able when learning and engaging in team sports, but that was by definitions with a mentor, such as in wrestling. So I taught myself wrong along the way for 35 years. My swing was fundamentally wrong. I thought I was… Read more »
FR The seductive phases of a relationship whether it be SNL, plate, or LTR are well documented. How do you all handle the end of a relationship? As an update; the soft next turned into a hard next for the HB6 from my last FR out of disinterest after her stunts from that FR and due to abundance. After I declined to go back to her place I went silent and she texted 3 days later checking in which I never replied to. I could have played that night better looking back but also saw several red flags prior to… Read more »
@CatchersIndifference Disclaimer: I’m not a PUA and I don’t spin plates and I don’t recall all of your frame of reference, but I do have some curating ability for stuff like the questions you pose. So if it helps at all, I would recommend you read Franco’s Manual of Seduction book. It’s very inexpensive and seems in some knowledge for what you are dealing with. Your field report seems to show you have really good skills at dealing with your plates. I don’t even care if I cut and paste, the price of admission is free and if it helps… Read more »
@forge haven’t heard from you in a while. hope all is well. need some medical advice from you. saw the doctor like I said, but he was fairly useless, just pushing pills on me and pushing me out the door. so have some sleeping pills now, only been taking them for a couple of days so well see. Today was a little better so maybe they will work. even if they do, I don’t like being on pills all the time, so I am going to eventually go to a more wholistic doctor down the road…where they take into account… Read more »
“I’d like some more options to take to a) help with pain b) inflammation, making the body less irritated and c) something to put the body in a recovery mode. ”
Change your diet to an Autoimmune Protocol [AIP] diet.
@hank
Have you considered seeing a sleep specialist and having a study done?
Also, have you tried meditation in bed? I recommend the guided meditations from “The Honest Guys” on youtube; particularly the beach ones. Good luck.
And no/low sugar.
FR: When you stare into a pretty girl’s eyes, and she stares right back (you know the abyss quote, I’m sure). There is this girl in my work trip which overlaps significantly with my type (for those who remember, I suspect I got imprinted on loving a specific type of cheeks, and she has those). Objectively she is in the top 5 among the girls I’ve seen in this work trip and with the subjective situational bonus multiplier from being my type it isn’t even close. Still, I’ve managed to not One-itis myself into chasing throughout the week and chatted… Read more »
hank holiday anyway, until then I wanted to get some input from you. I’d like some more options to take to a) help with pain b) inflammation, making the body less irritated and c) something to put the body in a recovery mod My personal opinion on prescription sleep aids is to stay far away from them. At least look up what the doc has given you and read for side effects. Agree with Sentient to cut sugar as far down as possible for a lot of reasons. Inflammation: try bromelain, an anti-inflammatory derived from pineapple. Can help with allergic… Read more »
IAS Next time ask her what room she is in casually, if you have as much attraction as you think she will be turned on when she gives it. Then say goodbyes to both with something like , if I decide to do anything later i’ ll let you know. Stroll off. They go up. 5 minutes call her room from the lobby, “hey I’m not sleepy… there is a place nearby I want to try. Come down and join me.” You know some places right because you’ve done your logistical homework? Desert coffee places, bookstore, bar etc. Now when… Read more »
“I’d like some more options to take to a) help with pain b) inflammation, making the body less irritated and c) something to put the body in a recovery mode. ” Change your diet to an Autoimmune Protocol [AIP] diet. @Hank: Describe your current dietary habits. Sentient is on target there. I recently heard an interview with Dr. Steven Gundry about his new book The Plant Paradox. He describes how lectins are a root cause of inflammation in humans (because they are how plants defend themselves against being eaten). My medical knowledge tells me he’s got a systematic plan for… Read more »
@Hank
If you want to contact Forge the Sky more directly, his avatar is a Gravatar. If you click on the picture in one of his former comments, it will bring up his Gravatar which contains his alter-ego email address.
As expected I ran into the first plate I dropped out dancing last night. I had intended to ask her to dance and be cool about the whole thing but it was a busy night. We both know each other were there so what is the best way to play this?
May see her again tonight and I’m fine if we don’t talk / dance but this is a new situation that I’d like to better understand.
Catchers
What do you want?
Do you just want to be a cool social guy and use her dor preselection?
Do you want a ride or die girl?
What is it?
@Sentient: good tips, thank you. @Everyone, updates and some questions. 1. Girl from sporting activity – FB’d her yesterday saying “Bring your gear, join where we met at [X time]”. No reply but she saw it. Today a few hours before this I went “How are you” when she had been online recently but was offline and she appeared online again to reply and started saying she was going to something else (some more sports, she really gets around), needed to get ready bla bla. I think I don’t have much chances here but I might try once more before… Read more »
@Sentient What I want? I’d like for us to be cool socially, dance occasionally, and have sex sporadically. Now, there is much inherent risk with what I want and what I will accept but want to be honest with my desires. I’ve broken up with plenty of girls but this is the first girl I just stopped responding to but will also see on a semi-regular basis. Her and I seem to have a knack for running into each other and we met at one of my primary spots where I’m opening / seducing women so on a very basic… Read more »
went on a more restrictive diet that only helped out a bit, but I am going to go back on it now. probably will be that plus a bunch of other things, but I will go ahead and go back to what at least helped a little bit. also think I may know what is causing some other problems, but will be a difficult next month or so. but very good chance it will completely solve one of the issues I have. I was just too optimistic about what would solve it, actual solution will take a lot longer and… Read more »
Catchers If that is all you want then… Just forget what’s happened. And just interact with her anew like she was any other girl you were interested in. Be charming, flirt, dance and pull as per usual. Do not discuss anything that’s transpired. But you’ll have to accept that she will go on getting dick from other dudes in between, and may try some jealousy plays to pull you back into her frame. IAS. On situ #1… What about “how are you” works with “meet me at x”??? Self inflicted gunshot… As a hail Mary, IF you dont expect to… Read more »
Hank
Diet changes can take 6 months or more to show effects.
@Sentient
Thanks! I appreciate the input. Despite my desires I’m not interested in her jealousy plays but interested in the approach just the same.
You’ve alluded to the “ride or die” girl in reply to a couple of my posts. Care to expand on this method?
@Sentient: Given that she had given absolutely no reply since yesterday, it was better for me to know she isn’t going in advance, as it allowed me more leeway with time on doing other things. I still went to do what I would have done, but a bit later. I really, really don’t think she would have shown up if I hadn’t “How are you?”. But who knows. Beyond that, I do expect to be back here but it might be like 1 year or maybe more before I return, I really don’t know. By now it is obvious that… Read more »
@All: minor update on girl 2, she didn’t want my options, specifically referred plural “local friends” which she will meet again tomorrow for lunch. Maybe I’m wrong and the other dude didn’t isolate her (or she is giving herself deniability when communicating with me). But the best is she herself offered for dinner tomorrow referring it is her last night here. Interesting. I’ll investigate some options with good location near her place and suggest that.
@hank Get started on probiotics.Especially if you’ve been on any antibiotics. Even if your GI tract seems ok, it’s part of your immune system, a bigger part than doctors used to think. If you are having gut problems you need to get on it and recolonize the intestinal flora. “Leaky gut” isn’t just a made up thing, it’s real, and getting fragments of bacteria into the bloodstream sparks up immune response & inflammation. Any health food store / coop will have a variety of probiotics to choose from. Might take 3 to 6 months to get solid results, then a… Read more »
@ Hank (Here’s where the Old Guy abstract advice instead of concrete Game advice is going to get ignored and annoying. Good luck with that. I will proceed anyway. Cause I care to make aware.) That’s been kind of the problem with most symptoms…its not about fixing one thing, its about fixing a lot of things at once to ultimately solve the problem. just have to focus on getting through to july now. if I can solve this one issue, then I will be set for a while. And I think I can get a lot of the other issues… Read more »
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May 27, 2017 at 1:28 pm
It’s a little more muti-factorial than just adding commonly available pro-biotics. Most pro-biotics are only a stop gap measure like a finger in the Dutch dike. A comprehensive plan of dietary foods that were evolutionarily designed to support the probiotics and stop the inflammation is needed.
Well presented here:
https://youtu.be/luna9RQsL1E
“Good” bacteria are “good” to the extent that you are eating, as most people do, a suboptimal diet. There are things that people put down their gullet that they can’t digest, but bacteria, to some degree or other, can. Bacteria “exhale” methane (which is why you fart when you eat beans and broccoli) and “shit” free fatty acids. You can metabolise the bacteria shit, if that’s the sort of thing you’re into. As a corollary, if you’re eating beans and broccoli to avoid fat, you’re doing it wrong. Not only that, the yield is quite inefficient, about 2 Calories of… Read more »
I have a FR for last night which ended with me getting another girl closing me for number and then FB, but it isn’t super relevant and I want to make an effort to make it shorter before posting. @Sentient (and others): please check if this makes sense. I’m on for dinner with girl 2 tonight, tried to extract her room number so I could “call her from the reception” but she dodged saying it is best if I just ring her mobile (frown, not sure how much that is a mixed signal because it actually is easier to do… Read more »
IAS – semms too elaborate if she’s rebuffed the room number. See, girls know what is up. So just focus on building attraction, running solid game, sexualizing early, kino, esclating… all this should be done before you get back to her place. And you can pull her anywhere, doesn’t have to be her room. Also would nix the dancing. If you’ve done proper game and amped attraction, I guy who just gets it, back in her hotle room, would just get after it…
Have fun.
Why so many dinner dates???
Looks like a courtship.
ALso on this
“I’m on for dinner with girl 2 tonight, tried to extract her room number so I could “call her from the reception” but she dodged saying it is best if I just ring her mobile (frown, not sure how much that is a mixed signal because it actually is easier to do that).”
Did you verify her logistics? She might be staying with someone etc. Find this out before yougo back to her hotel.
@Blaximus: it does look like courtship :/ @Sentient: in case it matters to you, I really appreciate all your help, not just recently. It is impressive how much my “instincts” (learned instincts? FI pushing on me?) are backfiring. I must be buffering and I also suspect I may be subconsciously self-sabotaging. Elaborate plan: damn, I thought it was brilliant, like Mistery leaving something of his on a girl to lock her in and avoid her leaving. I’ll just get her from the hotel and try to get upstairs when we get back from the “date”. Dinner dates: something to think… Read more »
Salsa Dancing This is both a shout out to the ASDGAMER, and “let’s see your plan” to commenters who say that we old married guys and our wrinkly vag’d wives, blah, blah, blah. So, yesterday I tried to plan a fun day trip. We went to a festival, but it was sold out. Plus, it seemed a little unsavory as, I rounded the perimeter after being told I couldn’t buy a ticket. The wife seemed a little irritable because I thought I had failed at this day trip and also on a larger sense since I had not planned due… Read more »
IAS The thing is… Mystery is doing a scarf lock in IN THE MOMENT… So he knows he has iois and attraction. He is calibrating to her. He isn’t running around with a basket of scarves… The idea to ask the girl you were vibing with in the moment her room number was not a blanket edict to then ask all girls this when you haven’t built up attraction nor established your intent with her. This type of logistics question is direct Fuck Talk in Catonese… Use it when you’ve built some attraction and intent. This is why field experience… Read more »
Oh… And on plausible deniability… There is a differenve between PD so it can “just happen” and PD as “surprise I have a penis”… Calibrate your intent.
Remember if you have doubt then there is no doubt.
At some poiny in these squishy semi work things, you are going to need to put your cock on the table hoss and handle the situation that unfolds.
So for this date, sexualize early and put some intent out there. Holding her hand while chatting is a boss move… And see what happens from there.
@Sentient and others: it didn’t work out, didn’t even K close. Getting it out and sleep as I’m tired and also with a bit of melancholy (I blame her eyes, but it is my fault really). FR: Into dinner was fine, some kino, DHV’d quite a bit, saw her pupils dilated again (so pretty…), then she goes “Are you married or something?” (classic) and I go (as natural as I could manage and I think I did reasonably well) “Yes, I am. She lives in a different country”. There is an awkward pause which I don’t fill. She tells me… Read more »
IAS
Good fr. And yes you put it out there… And more knowledge you shall get. But not today… Lol….
Stay tuned. Lot to dissect here.
But you still had a shot until YOU bailed… Do you see it?
@ IAS ” She asks me how is the LDR thing working out and I say “It bothers my wife more than it does me” while holding EC. She complains a bit about her situation, which includes complaining that her bf likes work more than her…, I tell her my wife complains about the exact same thing about me (was this a mistake?). I explain to her my philosophy just for a short bit, but then we are talking about something else (I probably did decently in that). I played a bit with her hands during dinner but it might… Read more »
@IAS “Do you think me initiating the hand holding there counts as “surprise I have a penis” or “putting it on the table”? There are other ways besides kinoing to demonstrate “I have a penis”. like steering the conversation to how your wife knows you sleep around because she understands men need sex. You get lazy unproductive when you go a long time without it and it works for you guys.(basically telling her “it’s ok to cheat on your bf. I won’t judge you” while framing sex as no big deal) “Given this, it also occurs to me that holding… Read more »
@ If-I-Fell
Good job with Salsa. Keep at it mang!!!
I LOVE going to salsa clubs. But if you want something a little sexier ( and more difficult to learn ), try Bachata sometime. My wife and I dance Salsa often, but our thing is bachata .
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1Zp8yGKqaw&w=1280&h=720%5D
On the one hand we have some wanting a magic bullet. https://blacklabellogic.com/2017/05/25/red-pill-logic-seeking-nirvana/ The Problem Construct There are two rough categories of problems, simple problems and complex problems. The simple problems is when one variable must be corrected and this fixes the problem a person is experiencing. For instance a man who is deficient in just one aspect of his life, but this aspect has a big depressive effect on his sexual market value. A great example from stock markets are “boring” companies, that despite having great finances, a sound strategy and great long-term performance, are undervalued in equities markets because… Read more »
AMOGing Family Field Report I was at a family function and dealing with three distant cousins–all bangable…incest…the game the whole family can play…just kidding…I don’t see these relatives very often…maybe every year or two at funerals, etc…. …anyway…I got tested out the wazoo by a lot of people…they found out that I’ve been going out dancing without Mrs. Gamer and it shook their world…both men and women…I danced with Mrs. Gamer at a restaurant on a cement porch where a live band was performing and got compliments from several girls…one I’ll call “compliment girl”…lemme back up… …compliment girl earlier tried… Read more »
@Everyone: I want to add a few details I remember now. She was wearing a sleeveless shirt with shoulders showing, possibly because I teased her about shoulders and did “reward” her with kino when she was wearing the dress the other time. I mean maybe she was wearing sleeveless shirts all day regardless but even then she could have covered more up and she didn’t. Given all the bumps and brushes and stuff in both occasions I think this is a relevant IOI. Also while writing the reply to Blax I remembered a few more details which may be slightly… Read more »
@Blax: So LOL on your boy’s soon to be ex passage. Although I guess it isn’t funny to you.
He’ll get some better ones next time.