For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
very interesting article https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/05/opinion/sunday/are-these-birds-too-sexy-to-survive.html choice quotes: “…mate choice can drive a species into what I call maladaptive decadence — a decline in survival and fecundity of the entire species. It may even lead to extinction…” fucking love that maladaptive decadence lol “…clumsy wings of males could be rationalized as a handicap that provides information about the birds’ condition or genetic quality. But the observation that female club-wings have also probably made themselves less capable fliers can only be described as decadent — sexual selection leading to a decline in the capacity for survival…” and good sweet lord this one: “…Of… Read more »
Boner Test: Young vs. Old (Way behind in comments, but I had a thought I wanted to put out.) Thanks to SJF, Blaximus and Sentient for your comments in response to my field report about the HB5 doctor. As noted, I could have pursued more with the downside of a Boner Test failure. Strangely, I don’t remember much of a stirring during either field report, even the second one with keno and some suggestive talk. I’m sure it gave me an advantage that a younger me would not have had. I had a mantra that I used a while ago… Read more »
@ If-I-Fell Interesting perspective, thanks – ” This triggered some thoughts about the young man and old man divide and the Boner Test. Before I begin, I want to state that I don’t believe that I am suffering from ED or low T. I am 17 lbs above my desired weight of 200 lb on a 6 ft. frame. I think I am in the top 20% of fitness for men in their late 50’s. ” I’m 56 this year. The scale this morning read 203.2, and I too am a 6 footer, lol. My goal is to get down… Read more »
@culum PS – Hank, just skimmed your stuff. Glad you’re still going out and improving but for god’s sake, just get laid already. You have 100x the skills you need to get laid – just get that monkey off your back and move on. What are you waiting for?? You’re like the new sentient Maybe you shouldn’t skim my stuff. Ill give you a hint though…for almost this entire year so far for various health reasons I wasn’t able to have sex period…its only very recently that things have gotten better enough to consider going out and practicing again. @blax… Read more »
@Hank: don’t know what to tell you man. Either you are chronically a pessimist or you are in a shitty situation. Or both. You need to get into a positive mind state somehow, either by sheer willpower becoming a hard core stoic, or by changing your situation. Preferably both. Everything has been said before though – get healthy, get out of there to a city, get a better job, get laid. In any order. It looks like as soon as you do one of them you will avalanche into the other ones. But I can’t figure out a plan for… Read more »
Hank just telling a girl she could hang out with me and a bunch of other people if she wanted ??? Yeah, a parent finds out an older dude is asking a 16YO girl to “hang out” what do you expect? Learn from this. If she had a dad he might be coming to visit you… ask me how I know 😉 and if you are where I think you are why aren’t you hitting the places around the college and there are a few clubs as well? and you are an hour to an hour and a half away… Read more »
@ IAS Thanks for your insight. I do have a tendency to pick a favorite and not mingle. In this case she picked me which kind of muted my role as initiator. Unfortunately, the conference was a wasteland. To give you an idea, about the best looking participant that I met was a mid-20’s blond with uncomfortable to look at staring eyes. She had an unexciting tubular upper body, small breasts, a huge buttocks that when she passed me going to dinner with another group wearing a dress it made that hand clapping motion with the cheeks separating and coming… Read more »
Cinco de Mayo. Mrs. Eh an I at a Mexican restaurant at the small 6 seat bar. Watching boxing. It’s relaxed, near home and fun. They serve ridiculously cheap Dos XX. Busy night there. Young guy, two girls come to the bar, the girls abruptly leave after words exchanged. Guy boldly, cockily asks if he can play bar dice, the bartender declines, and the young guy feigns shock. I tell him the pub down the road can help him. He gets loud now, repeats his question as if there is a translation problem. You know, yelling helps possible miscommunication, right?… Read more »
@ Blaximus
I could share additional stories, but I want to avoid the old guy hugbox moniker. So, I’ll just say, “Life is hard; don’t go soft.”
“There you sit, with my shot I bought you…you in your suit.”
It was just a blazer, FFS.
@ IF-I-FELL
Lol, there is no ‘ old guy hugbox ‘. I curtailed the content of my comments because a few guys seemed to have problems with it, but that was a mistake on my part.
As YaReally used to say, there are newbs and lurkers that can gain some insights from comments. … Even though he liked to poke fun at ‘ the old alpha badasses ‘ from time to time.
05/05/17 – Happy belated Tango no Sekku! I would urge the men here to either drop or combine cinco de mayo, for most—an entirely meaningless holiday, in favor of the TRADITIONAL Japanese Holiday, Tango no Sekku. It’s one of the things the Japanese had 100% correct, but was ruined in 1948. It’s a day to celebrate boys and the challenges they face in growing into manhood. The familiar carp or koinobori flags symbolizes this struggle to swim against the current. I had this planned in advance, but screwed up only flying the koinobori on Sunday the 7th—2 days late. Oh,… Read more »
@Hank Life is tough ,it is even tougher if your” broke dick and broke.”Figure out what is causing that and quit doing it. I guess most hippies are about 70+ and the younger stoners and freaks are just that.The hippies I remember from the 60s & 70s had little financial responsibility in that their parents footed the bill. The young mother in your fr is paying the price for not practicing discipline.Every human child should learn to respect their elders and providers by 2yo,then a healthy respect for their physical superiors by 11yo. I blame disney. An 8yo doesn’t know… Read more »
@ Rollo, Et al
I like the Field Reports photo. It looks like both predator and prey have just emerged from a watering hole, continuing the chase on dry land—the dirt flying. The doe-eyed prey’s left leg looks like it has just taken a swipe. You can almost imagine that the right leg is about to be bitten. The next scene will be the take down, the final struggle and the sickening crunch of the neck bite.
But, something is wrong with this depiction of prey versus predator in the context of Field Reports. Was this intentional?
@ Hank I’m not going to pry, asking what is the health problem you’re dealing with, but you have to do whatever you can/have to in order to address it fully, especially since it’s having such an impact on your life. This is no joke man, your health takes precedence over everything else always. There’s a bunch of shit we can work around, but the need is still there to handle it more permanently. But sex? ( not ‘ butt sex..’ ) Lol, I conceived my youngest while wearing a cast, and I’ve had herniated discs that rendered me practically… Read more »
@Blax Thank god my youngest of 4 daughters is 22 this year and I am not in prison for being over protective. Princess {you remember Princess?} her manager keeps hitting on her. He is close to my age and a real bitch,as in she will ask to go early as her daughter isn’t feeling well and he will offer to pick the girl up and when refused he gets all pissy (see if I ever offer to help you again} and whiney. He has asked her out a few times and been turned down.Prognosis blue pill. She has put in… Read more »
FR Frame I’d be interested to hear the proper way to maintain “micro frame” in each of these scenarios that I ran into this weekend as well as “macro frame” throughout the entire night. Exhibit A: You’re out at a local bar and run into one of your plates unexpectedly. She’s dancing with another guy closely but spots you and ditches the guy to come exchange pleasantries after the song is over. You ask her to dance to the next couple and have a good time. As you’re heading back she breaks away saying she wants to dance with the… Read more »
I was in a small group gathering in a hotel conference room about 3:1 women to men–alcohol present. There was an HB7 staff member, I guess about 28, for the hosting organization. She had a sleeve tattoo, very ornate, kind of like Ed Hardy stuff. I struck up a conversation and keno’d her arm—admiring her artwork. She said she also had one of her legs tattooed but wasn’t taking off her pants to show it. I guess I need some better tattoo material. I said that I thought her’s were very cool. I went on saying that I couldn’t understand… Read more »
@Catchers Good. This is all amusing to you. The thought that this dude could possibly think he’s higher value then you and pick her up should be hilarious to you. Ok so once you found out he was trying to pick her up provider style, I would have told her to tell him to buy her a drink (to bring to you) AMOGing him. then when she gives you the drink, grab her by the waist (reward for complying) turn to face him lift the glass and smirk with her wrapped in your arm. He’s finished. She’ll be massively attracted.… Read more »
Blax Stuffinbox The thing with Hank and the 16YO isn’t she is 16YO per se, it is the context of her being a coworker…. hell where he is 16 could be legal. However… That does not mitigate societal responses… He he… My 15YO girl was helped out one day by a guy, mid 20’s dude… and lo and behold he looks up her number on the order form and texts her that night to see “how everything was”… well at first she is a bit flattered of course… But after a few more texts… and some questions from him whether… Read more »
Catchers
What do you want from these plates? Worship? what?
@ Blaximus “But, I will say that with age, sexually things are much, much more mental.” One of the points I was trying to make is that young men are, or at least I was, programmed to overlook a woman’s flaws: face, figure and personality. For example, my sister had a friend who had the most gorgeous violet-blue eyes, long thick black hair and flawless skin. She was also a little high on herself. I was tongue-tied in her presence. She also was short, with a short neck, broad shoulders, a cube-shaped body and short thick legs. Looking back, a… Read more »
@ J Thanks for that link to YaReally’s great post about setting limits. In that link he refers to Blackdragon’s soft nexting advice. The post was obviously back in 2013. Some of YaReally’s advice contained references to Blackdragon’s old advice on soft nexting which might still be valid, but I suspect three posts or so are updated on soft nexting in 2016. I’ll throw something like “you and AMOG clearly have catch up to do. Goodnight babe.” and turn my phone off. It doesn’t have to be like “because you were acting like a fucking whore ahghghaghghghhghg” lol Just a… Read more »
Soft Dread is the fungible equivalence of Soft Next in Mono Relationship game. It just needs to be more on point with the lack of the motive or opportunity to Next.
Hi All, I had an interesting field experience this weekend that I thought would be worth sharing (I’ll do a full write up on it later), and one that I think is an example of the power of the hamster, words, and being the emotional roller coaster guide. I was at a pool party this weekend thrown at this nice hotel and there where about 400 people at it. Towards the end of the party I was walking to the inside bar I noticed this eastern European girl standing by herself. I proceeded to strike up a conversation with her… Read more »
@SJF
The soft next technique in the link from the 2013 YaReally post is not at all outdated and still very effective in 2017 if that’s what your asking. In his blog post titled “Questions and Answers Regarding Soft Nexts” (the 2016 post you are referring to?) he answers all the questions he’s ever been asked on it (which is updated with answers to new questions that come up). Don’t have any other links.
good luck
Thanks
@j Thanks for the feedback. Your AMOG strategy had me laughing out loud when I read it and I will definitely work to incorporate this into my fledgling arsenal moving forward. Any comments on the dynamics in play or how I can better understand her underlying intent? I hope to understand the “why” in as many scenarios and reference experiences as possible. @Sentient This is all new territory for me so I’m trying to determine the placement of my expectations. What behavior should I expect out of a plate in this scenario? The level of intimacy in which they were… Read more »
@catchersindifference
Any comments on the dynamics in play or how I can better understand her underlying intent?
I’ve written a post on involuntary IOIs that show when a girl is really interested as opposed to just flirting for fun or cockteasing.
https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2014/03/27/is-she-into-you-indicators-of-interest/
Likely one of the best posts anywhere on this topic. I’ve looked for something as good or better. If you find something, please let me know!
@catchers She showed me with her actions that she enjoyed dancing like that with this guy and it felt like she was rubbing it in…this felt intentionally disrespectful. Nah, she was just being a normal girl…maybe trying to make you jealous. Treat it as an indication of interest when she does this. Don’t think of it as her being disrespectful towards you. I’d like to think that I’ve treated her with respect throughout our time together …sure, because cats think like dogs…oops…girls want to be treated playfully and to be disparaged/negged playfully. Forget about treating girls with respect…cats aren’t dogs… Read more »
@theasdgamer I appreciate your insight. I’m ready / willing / able to accept that I failed shit tests that night hence why I’m soliciting feedback on my approach here. It could have totally been her turning her nose up to me. She was however clearing logistics at the end of the night and was assuming that I was on board for plans after our time dancing together. The biggest thing I’m hoping to understand is the “why” here. From an unbiased point of view; what is this forum’s perspective on what transpired? Obviously my gut is telling me that there… Read more »
Blaximus
This is no joke man, your health takes precedence over everything else always. There’s a bunch of shit we can work around, but the need is still there to handle it more permanently.
Cosign on that, all of that. Whatever the chronic issue he’s got, it’s a priority..
Blax, remember that there are various medications out there that have side effects. Some have pretty nasty side effects.
CatchersIndifference Not much time, check back in a few days… This is all new territory for me so I’m trying to determine the placement of my expectations. This is the crux of the matter… nothing else to figure out until you nail this down WHAT DO YOU WANT? So… what is it? Not what do you think you can get, or what you think you deserve… what do you WANT? What behavior should I expect out of a plate in this scenario? Change plate to WOMAN, and then expect the most outlandish degree to which she can get away with… Read more »
I’d like to think that I’ve treated her with respect throughout our time together and this felt intentionally disrespectful.
Final Double Jeopardy Answer : “What Are Things Cucks Say While Witnessing Their Wife’s Double Penetration”
Lols.
Alpha Jedi
My big take away from the interaction was using genuine passion and vivid detail are powerful tools
Now look at that… probably had good body language as well.
Nice little bit from WIA the other day… But if a girl is feeling you from jump, instead of going heavy with the attention and ice breaking – you make her invest. I’ve said it before, having game is not playing games. Let’s set the stage I’m at a happy hour/martini lounge It’s not too loud Alcohol is flowing Girls are sitting with their friends, standing by the bar Chatting amongst themselves Some folks on the phone So I roll up on a solo chick with a phone in her face, eyes lit up by the LED. I say “Hey”… Read more »
@Sentient
Thanks again. I brought up “intentional disrespect” in reference to “HandSockPuppet’s Guide to Managing Bitches” as her behavior rubbed me the wrong way and it was a distinguishing qualifier between unconscious disrespect, conscious disrespect, and the resulting punishment.
What do I want? Ultimately I want to meet attractive women, have sex with them, and if they are a pleasure to be around I will continue spending time with them as my schedule / interest allows.
@Sentient
Now look at that… probably had good body language as well.
You’d think he cudda been talking about the weather or something.
@ Catcher’s “The biggest thing I’m hoping to understand is the “why” here. From an unbiased point of view; what is this forum’s perspective on what transpired?” I would think it’s best to use Occam’s razor. You know what’s going on here, and you picked up on it. Your gut feeling is right, but that doesn’t necessarily equate to your gut feeling always being right, or that your gut feeling has power. It is a frame battle (and frame is not power). You described it this way: “I realize that this was a bit of a frame battle and quite… Read more »
Catchers What do I want? Ultimately I want to meet attractive women, have sex with them, and if they are a pleasure to be around I will continue spending time with them as my schedule / interest allows. well sounds like you got that hoss… Then you soft next with no drama and cycle it all over again and again and again… and you get minimal investment back from them as well. You’ll do until one of her plates shows more promise than you… you’ll be getting the soft next from her. [much of game is backward engineered from girl… Read more »
@Catchers
Let’s suppose that a girl evaluates your SMV and calculates that she can play you and she tries that. Meanwhile, you are continuing to DHV and show lots of social savvy and Game awareness…because you continue to DHV, suddenly the girl recalcs your SMV and concludes that she can’t risk running manipulative games on you.
Always be bringing value.
Gamer Maxim: Demonstrate high value early and often.
@theasdgamer Very good point and that is a level of mastery that I aspire to achieve. After reading the article that @SJF referenced I have to wonder if she wasn’t trying the following: “This is precisely why a feminized culture must continually confuse him, continually inspire doubt and humiliate him; feminization can’t afford men knowing their true value and potential.” … or maybe women are always trying this at all times and this was merely a more overt effort! I’ll internalize, “DHV early and often”. Thanks. The key right now is I am entering several scenarios that I am unfamiliar… Read more »
“Let’s suppose that a girl evaluates your SMV and calculates that she can play you and she tries that. ” Case in point: I’m out, college girl snapchatting herself to her BF with those god awful dog ears. I hold her and gf’s shoulders, tell her “Snapchat this woman. This’ll get his envy.” She blows me off-ish. I, laugh, bail not to invest anymore value until she’s cracking the door. BF arrives 15″ later, she wildly jumps on his hips…all the while staring over his shoulder at me, baiting me to look at her. I’m 3′ away, relaxed with wife,… Read more »
@Catchers … or maybe women are always trying this at all times and this was merely a more overt effort! You got it! “This is precisely why a feminized culture must continually confuse him, continually inspire doubt and humiliate him; feminization can’t afford men knowing their true value and potential.” This isn’t really on point, but it’s still a great point! Work on your own social skills and you will have no problems with the FI or with doubt. Recognize that, to women, your relative strength makes you a demigod. And your ability to take risk and lead and protect… Read more »
@Intellect
BF arrives 15″ later, she wildly jumps on his hips…all the while staring over his shoulder at me, baiting me to look at her. I’m 3′ away, relaxed with wife, see it all peripherally, ignore it all.
I’d probably just laugh at her and make a silly face, then ignore her. Ignoring the attention whoring is high value, but adding playfulness is even higher value, especially if you enjoy teasing girls. Anyway, it’s what I’d do to amuse myself.
@Intellect
bail not to invest anymore value until she’s cracking the door.
BF arrives 15″ later, she wildly jumps on his hips…all the while staring over his shoulder at me, baiting me to look at her.
Did you understand that the girl gyrating and staring at you was her cracking the door…against the doorstop? Bam! lol
@Catcher’s: “I’d like to think that I’ve treated her with respect throughout our time together and this felt intentionally disrespectful. Sentient: “Final Double Jeopardy Answer : “What Are Things Cucks Say While Witnessing Their Wife’s Double Penetration” This is a chapter from Franco’s Manual of Seduction, which I highly recommend as a basis for frame and mindset. (@Amazon on Kindle for $5.99. Extremely well written.) Quote: The Nice Guy Syndrome Since you were a little child, your parents, teachers and other authority figures have been telling you that you need to be sweet and submissive with women. They taught you… Read more »
“And you will be treated like a girlfriend.”
if I had a nickel every time I rebufffed the women’s betaization attempts at work…well, you know. This was and will be a major bone of contention. 25 years back I’d piss some 22 y.o. E-5 off by not “respectin’ her authoritah!” It didn’t make sense then, understand why it’s so now, …but that’s irrelevant to holding a job nowadays. Fairly warned, I am.
Quick question for everyone – Has anyone here ever had long term happiness and success from being, or being perceived as a truly nice guy? Background noise, I wasn’t brought up to be a ‘ nice guy ‘. I was heavily, heavily cautioned against it by practically every male in my life, as far beck as I can remember. So all of the televised pabulum about being nice and treating women any particular way apparently missed me by a country mile. When I did try being a nice, sensitive guy, it was a fucking disaster and cost me my first… Read more »
Blax, Dear ol Dad was a plain mean MF. No formal masculinity lessons. Phenotype reflect genotype, perhaps. IMO Betas nice guys can be, are happy, wealthy, long-living. I know many. There is a slow death of the romanticism, replaced with stuff, money, trips, vicarious living through children. Is it happiness? Sure, as long as the money spigot freely flows. I’ve had knowing cucked men, wealthy men, refuse soft sell RP and double down on servile provider BP, just to get her back and avoid the thought of supposed divorce bankruptcy. They’ve adamantly swear to be satisfied with drip sex. I… Read more »
@ Eh
I’m starting to think that there’s a multitude of men that have no idea or have ever really experienced ‘ happiness ‘.
@ Blaximus I was never a “nice guy”. I’m still not, but can be when I want to be. I did have success from not being a nice guy. This is the essence of my assertion that I was never blue pill. But I was Betatized. (my judgmentalism and perceptive abilities helped insulate me from niceness for the sake of nice-ness and not by default identifying with and leaning into women. Nice for the sake of nice and not for good behavior.) But not nice and accommodating for the sake of it. That’s not to say I didn’t mind at… Read more »
@Blaximus
What is happiness to YOU, Blaximus?
Well Blax, the most frightening words most men can hear are ” What do you want?”…
terror.
@SJF
I think being a “leader of men” is more something the opportunistic female registers as attractive qualities and a qualifier for possible intimacy.
But call such a thing out to the wrong group of dudes and it’s Prickington Heights Annual Dickbowl.
Telling stupid chimps that they have to be leaders of men is a little dishonest if what they’re really asking you is how to use the fact women like a leader to their own sex-less advantage.
I’m not speaking to stupid chimps. I’m speaking to the men in an honor group that can make it through triage and go on to have desire for mastery.
Happiness for me is actual release from constraint into a realm of freedom. It is ultimate control over my circumstances and ultimate control over the direction of my life. Desire for that is not power, but it is a move in the right direction.
@SJF
“Desire for that is not power, but it is a move in the right direction.”
Yup, that’s about ALL it is.
For the past 2 years, my “happiness” has been in finding out how many of my close so-called family were full of shit.
@ Yollo ” What is happiness to YOU, Blaximus?” Bending the world to my will. Lol, okay that’s hyperbolic and dramatic. Happiness is understanding and action. It’s also independence. Happiness is a state of mind, meaning anyone can be happy, yet great care needs to be taken concerning what a man chooses to focus his mind and attention on. It’s a grave mistake to base your happiness on others, or the machinations of men. You can get along great without it. Happiness is a choice at the end of the day. You can always just decide to be happy. Happiness… Read more »
@Blaximus: “I’m starting to think that there’s a multitude of men that have no idea or have ever really experienced ‘ happiness ‘.”
Most men lead lives of _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ .
@Sentient – Body language was certainly a factor, I sued commanding body language as well as physical distance to create the “bubble.” I noticed a shift in her body language as well from reserved to open and intimate as the conversation went on.
@theasdgamer – Haha with a enough passion and visualization, I probably could have haha
Rollo’s she’s unhaaaapy post turned me to asking: “Am I satisfied?”
“Happy” is tainted with Pollyanna, for me perhaps. Being happy isn’t really a goal of men.
Life’s answers can be easy known but difficultly accomplished. Making, actualizing difficult choices for my and other’s benefit is satisfying, though fraught with unhappiness, I sleep better this way.
Still…a lot of laughter in between. It’s been fun so far y’all. Thanks. I ain’t starving.
OLD MARRIED GUY FR – Taming of the Shrew My wife isn’t a shrew, but she is very much a modern take-charge type in many ways. She’s the type of woman who would be the first to recognize your distress and give you the heimlich maneuver. I had finished a Saturday performing manual labor in the yard. I was physically sore and tired. My wife asked me if we were doing anything. I told her, “No, I’m tired.” I really meant it. I rethought my decision, based on comments I had read on RM, especially theasdgamer’s Taming comments. I had… Read more »
@ If-I-Fell
You lead, she follows.
Congratulations.
Nice work If-I-fell. Now don’t be surprised if next time she shit tests you really hard… Be prepared.
Oh and If… La La Land was totally red pill… You saw her fall all in for a dynamic, passionate and authentic guy… Leaving her beta bux boyfriend mid dinner… Watched that guy then second guess himself and go beta bux… And the hypergamous result of that too…
@If-I-Fell
Great taming effort,if you hadn’t admitted to being tired you would be a god.
It is amazing how a simple thing like giving her a choice in venue or entertainment will kick of such a shitstorm that it becomes impossible to connect the dots as to what caused the problem in the first place.
Why did we ever listen to that egalitarian BS in the first place {why can’t we just get along as equals?) ,snort.
@Blax
“Quick question for everyone – Has anyone here ever had long term happiness and success from being, or being perceived as a truly nice guy?”
Well it could have worked out if everybody else hadn’t wised up before i did.
Seriously,appearances count for alot,and balance is important.
There is no long term success in buying high and selling low.
I posted this old field report because I thought it might be repeatable for married and LTR guys. But, I would love to see a FR of a Man, and that would be man with a capital “M”, use this on one of their first 3 dates. @ EhIntellect, Sentient & stuffinbox Thanks! This happened before my business trip. So, I already had the nuclear PM woman, man leaving to have fun shit test. @ Sentient I’ll have to watch the ending of La La Land again. I saw what you speak of, but I thought it was mitigated by… Read more »
@Jedi Haha with a enough passion and visualization, I probably could have haha I was actually discussing the weather with a bank teller today and she was following my lead. “We’ve had enough rain for a while.” It’s good practice to discuss banal topics and try to lead the convo at the same time. Try to figure out shat is the minimum amount of nonverbal signal that you need to hold a girl’s interest. I calibrate this unconsciously on the fly in everyday situations. The noise level at bars makes interest calibration challenging for me and I have to pay… Read more »
Was reading blackdragon’s blog and came across this gem:
“As I’ve said many times, the only reason a woman should be in your life is if she makes you happier than if she wasn’t there. If this is not true, then she should not be there.”
So simple, yet so accurate.
Blaximus, sorry to read about your daughter being seriously harassed at her job in Duty Free.
Would the airport have been Newark International?
You know the old truth: Attitudes flow from the top down.
Newark might just have a little problem or two with personnel.
Personnel is policy.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/Hazing-Customs-Officers-Newark-Airport-Border-Patrol-Sex-Investigation-Rape-Table-Feds-Allegations-Security-Camera-421748953.html
@ AR ” Would the airport have been Newark International? ” Yup. Interesting article…. As an aside, after 9/11 I tried to get a TSA/security ( armed ) job at the airport. If I would’ve been successful, It would have been a major mistake. I assumed that TSA, Customs, and all of the other alphabet soup groups would have been at the airport to keep everyone safe and fight and discourage terrorism. It didn’t take long for me to realize that things were not gonna actually work out that way, especially when I saw what these jobs paid on average.… Read more »
@ AR As long as I’m strolling down memory lane, Let me say that I’m still considering options re: The Duty Free situation. I’m not particularly litigious, but I believe that in some instances people/businesses need to have a reason to make sure they alter policy to make sure that their obligations are fulfilled. Close to 10 years ago ( time doth fly ), my wife and I sent my stepdaughter and one of out goddaughters away to assist with an ill family member over the summer. We managed to get a great deal on airfare, but it meant that… Read more »
@ Sentient + PUA’s Your clever sciatica oil rub comment made me remember this thought that passed through my mind (and probably should have stayed there). It’s either smart, crazy or stupid—or all three. An interest/compliance test once it starts getting late and you aren’t sure where you stand in your interaction: You would look at your watch and say, “Well, it’s getting to the time where we should either go shopping for a baby pool and a gallon of olive oil or say goodnight.” Watch for her reaction. If she’s offended or stupid, you could pass it off as… Read more »
Blaximus, we both know that what is done in airports is security theater. No surprise that some actors act badly. Especially at that pay scale, it’s close to security guard / rentacop. Even Barney Fife wouldn’t take that pay.
Someone told me that Untied Airlines will now include the distance that they drag you down the aisle to be “reaccomodated” as part of your mileage for points. Dunno if it’s true.
If-I-fell Nope. Wouldn’t recommend that approach. If you have doubt there is no doubt and all. Great diagnostic tool. The line is direct hindbrain communication to bone. Trigger ASD. Also allowing her to decide… So you can’t smoothly just make it happen without the ASD risk. Now if you KNOW… You can just say “let’s go” and start ti lead her out and when she shit tests you “where????” You can squash that by continuing to lead her out and offering a reassuring “pfffffft… Please… With your questions” and watch her melt at the destruction of her test… As juices… Read more »
@Blax: agree with Sentient, ask Rollo to remove several details or the entire story. You are relatively high profile in the comment sections so you could get doxxed.
@ Sentient & IAS
Thank you for the heads up, but I gave it a quick thought before posting the story, and I’m good. Even in the news stories, my girls names weren’t mentioned because they were both minors.
And because the incident involved a stepdaughter and a goddaughter, their surnames aren’t traceable ‘ technically ‘ to me.
Lol, I am more in danger of doxxing myself writing FR’s. Anything is possible though.
@ Rollo
I know you’re busy dude, but if you get a chance delete the drunk airline comment. Just to be cautious.
No biggie if you don’t get to it. I feel I’m good.
Guess I gotta learn to be YaReally-level cautious in the future.
Dont know much re: workplace network monitoring. How interested are network administrators in commentary at TRM by employees. If theyre looking for indictable proof its easy enough to find, I’d assume. TRM ain’t porn level malfeasance…it’s a heretical clear and present danger.
‘Scuse me whilst I draw curtains.
@EhIntellect It depends on the workplace but by and large I wouldn’t sweat it. Typically if a network administrator is pulling browsing history (if they even have the capability) they would have to have Senior level HR leadership approval. Your superior would seek out this approval for the expressed intent of building a case against you typically due to poor work performance. Visiting and commenting on this site (despite some of the content) is a benign endeavor especially considering that this site is categorized as “Personal Blog” by a leading firewall manufacturer. Just don’t call attention to yourself by having… Read more »
What the hell is wrong with the world! The FI wants to crush the New Hampshire guy for his red pill views. More watering down of the meaning of mysogeny. Santa Cruz Black Student Alliance wants to water down the meaning of “hostile climate” to mean not having a red, black and green house to live in. New Orleans has taken to the wahhabic doctrine of destruction of anything that can be classified as white supremacism. Comey gets fired–until proven otherwise, I believe him to be a patriot. The same crap that got worse under Obama seems to continue under… Read more »
@HABD
Re burning it down with the old married broad
She apparently has a lot of water and keeps dousing the flames. I guess a chick can stay in love for years even if you never banged her. I’m popping popcorn over the flames. Kind of a rush. Girls I’ve never banged have cried over me for not pursuing them, I have no doubt. smh Reality can seem strange, even after swallowing the Red Pill.
@pua @blax FR Still warming back into this , but I am making progress nontheless At checkout. Girl there gives me a funny look. So I say “What’s with the funny face?” “What do you mean “funny” face?” She’s between offended and playful…like she’s waiting to decide whether to be offended or be playful, depending on how I react I say “You gave me a funny look. What’s that about?” “No. You said I had a funny face. That’s rude.” “That’s true. I am very rude.” “Well, you got anything else to criticize me on?” I didn’t, so I turned… Read more »
@blax @sentient on 16 year old, yeah i get what you guys are saying….buuut I literally only talked to this chick once, for like 5 seconds lol. Whereas in your examples the guys are REPEATEDLY talking to the girls and TEXTING them (I didn’t even have this chicks number) and STALKING them. So, theres quite a bit of a difference there. @ias @blax I’m more of a chronic optimist…I wouldn’t have gotten through the stint may years back where I had to fight off suicide on an almost daily basis for several years otherwise. Its more though that i tend… Read more »
@Blaximus wrote “When I did try being a nice, sensitive guy, it was a fucking disaster and cost me my first marriage.” Ditto. The more stressed she was due to big unforeseen events, the more I super-sized my sensitivity and ‘niceness and she left me for an older freshly divorced alpha bent on plowing the younger female market. Lesson: Your wife or LTR doesn’t want to fcuk her supplicating butler. “It doesn’t seem to me to be an effective strategy for a man to be perceived as ‘nice ‘. I mean, if one will stay isolated in a small community… Read more »
@theasdgamer @HABD Re burning it down with the old married broad She apparently has a lot of water and keeps dousing the flames. I guess a chick can stay in love for years even if you never banged her. I’m popping popcorn over the flames. Kind of a rush. Girls I’ve never banged have cried over me for not pursuing them, I have no doubt. smh Reality can seem strange, even after swallowing the Red Pill. great job!… ya, The Glasses ™ are trippy…lol and that’s what happens when you go ZFG and maintain frame… and you can always use… Read more »
@hank @blax @sentient on 16 year old, yeah i get what you guys are saying….buuut I literally only talked to this chick once, for like 5 seconds lol. Whereas in your examples the guys are REPEATEDLY talking to the girls and TEXTING them (I didn’t even have this chicks number) and STALKING them. So, theres quite a bit of a difference there. not according to the FI there isn’t…lol… it’s the actual ‘contact/talking’ that is to be forbidden, not the ‘amount’… the FI can’t allow THAT door to be cracked open even a little bit… at least on the older… Read more »
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@HABD @YSGs so, just for the knowledge base for the YSG playing along on the home edition, how long did it take to go from ‘chaser’ (you in her frame) to chasee?… a couple years?… Background…I’ve known this girl several years. She liked me from when she first saw me….she did the primate signal when a primate sees a potential mate. So, she asked me to dance a lot…and I ended up with a dance floor crush on her (likely as she intended). My emotions were a problem…I was thinking about her during the week…she had an apartment in my… Read more »
“the FI can’t allow THAT door to be cracked open even a little bit… at least on the older man/young girl pairing…” Tennesee: “Tennessee’s kidnapping law is a little … well, toothless when it comes to youngsters the age of Elizabeth Thomas, the 15-year-old allegedly abducted by her former teacher, according to the prosecutor in the case.” “The way it’s written now, the statute lets children older than 12 decide whether to leave their families, unless their removal or confinement “is accomplished by force, threat or fraud.”” “As it stands, to prove the kidnapping of a victim who is 12… Read more »
@HABD @YSGs I need to add that there was a lot of emotional pain throughout my emotional struggle…beating myself up for letting the girl have an apartment in my head…feeling stupid for being shy and awkward around the girl despite being an old fart…going through oxytocin withdrawal when I didn’t see the girl (oxytocin is an opioid and it’s addictive)…the girl’s rudeness and dealing with my anger about it…that took over a year…it took me a while to realize that being so angry about a girl’s rudeness was silly…and now I’m Ok with seeing the girl and not being angry… Read more »
@Ajax
“Nice guy” can mean two different things to chicks:
1) “He’s a nice guy, but….” …a girl telling her friends that a man is unattractive
2) “You seem like a nice guy–let me give you my number.” …a girl telling a man that he is attractive
context matters
@pua
0:15 – 2:35 A+ infield here. This is how you warm up:
An age related field report that doesn’t involve me this time. My young cousin told me the other day casually that her older sister had had a massive disappointment recently. I asked what it was. She said she’d had a massive crush on a guy and had been super into him. Then she’d found out he was 37 and had been, and I quote ‘devastated’. The girl in question is a HB8, 25 years old, had one boyfriend until now. She already thought he had high value, she was already extremely attracted to him. The number cancelled all that out… Read more »
@Black Pill
“She already thought he had high value, she was already extremely attracted to him. The number cancelled all that out instantly. The reward he got for his alpha-ness was her grief.”
lol this is retarded. If dude is legit alpha she’ll just rationalize away his flaw (“flaw” according the social conditioning) like all girls do with alphas. Give it a couple days. You’ll see (“watch what they do, not what they say” “what you feel, she feels”)
I’m in my early 20s so I don’t get age shit tests, but when I reach 30s-40s stage of my life, I’ll be just as confident as I am now because I have the archives:
http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/6/#comment-rationalmale-160578
(YaReally was in his mid 30s, and he primarily gamed the under 25 HB8+ girls)
This is probably my last post on Field Reports for two reasons: 1) At this point, I am not committed to taking “it all the way.” I believe that being sexy social and actually gaming towards the goal of sex are different. So, I’m not going to field report sexy social interactions. 2) I think the best advice, using the car salesman metaphor, is from the guys actually selling the cars and not the guys who are having nice conversations with potential buyers. I think the desire and ability to close the sale are the difference between simulation and live… Read more »
@j @pua fearless dance is a good way to prep, but as a reminder the key part of that is you IMMEDIATELY open another girl after you do that. The point is to do something stupid, and most likely bomb it the fuck up, so that the NEXT open you do is easy by comparison (just saying hey, instead of dancing). Newbies should just be aware of that — don’t just use that as one open and then call it quits. Do it in a place like a club where you can immediately open other people after you (most likely)… Read more »
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUCgjNeFBjt
Max quite taken up by mindset these days… sleeves and shirts not so much. LOL