For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
@hank
I don’t get the infighting, personally. Especially the amount of time you spent in an attempt to prove your point. If that is important to you then so be it but it’s not helping out the greater good of this community in my opinion.
@pitbikemike congrats on the 9. you got two lays in like two days. are you feeling less negative now lol? keep it up. don’t let up now. the other guys have covered the girl being crazy lol. main thing is just don’t apologize. she feels what you feel. if you feel like something bad happened, she will too. if you feel like nothing bad happened, that it was a good thing you two did, then she will too. next time you want to make sure to have plenty of aftercare to help avoid a FRA: cuddle with her a bit… Read more »
@hank
Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated – I’ll work on it!
@hank I’m still reading through all of the comments but wonder if you working with a wingman might help you out a bit with your energy / focus? Someone you can play off of with a good personality that can drag you through the low spots of a night. Good luck
@sentient lol, not surprised. you can’t even acknowledge you were wrong. @catchersindifference well, firstly I have a lot of time while I wait to heal up lol, so that’s part of the reason. But the deeper issue is that many (not all) of the older guys think that just because they are older, they know everything, and if you ever question them on anything then they just insult you. They also make numerous untrue statements about yareally, who was one of the best guys to teach game here and is no longer here to defend himself. I simply correct their… Read more »
@TheMarquis Women are like kids, kids are like women. Lead. Have things to do in the pipeline, know where you’re going and what you’re going to do together. Have boundaries and stick to them. Demonstrate. Be congruent. Have fun. My 6 year old is an introvert. FI has it easier to push on him – he defaults to “a nice guy” who doesn’t cross the line, let’s his logical hamster stop him from acting and avoids stressful situations. Not a risk taker. I know I was like that too. But this little one has me. I prank him a lot… Read more »
I’m kind of amazed at the strength of Sentient and IRL’s recommendations. Sure is nice to not fly by the seat of your pants at parenting. It kind of makes me reminisce about having zero advice from my father, uncles or grandfathers (who I never met) in raising my son. I think due to genetics and resources (good support from me and his mom) that he is in a good place to actually proceed. ( And I hope he gets a good sentence on his latest misdemeanor assault charge tomorrow morning.) (BTW I really admire my daughter and her qualities… Read more »
@ Hank Hey bro. Tips? Let’s see….. Black venues are dependent on what town or even part of town they’re in. There are clubs in NYC ( uptown ) I would not venture into. The odds aren’t in my favor. Could be a wonderfully great evening, could be heavy gunplay and a fleet of ambulances. But you can get a feel for what kind of vibe. Do guys outnumber girls by a substantial number? Are guys dancing and laughing or having fun, or are the bulk of them kinda just standing with their back’s up against the wall? Nowadays it’s… Read more »
@hank Go to the AfropolitianDC for Cinco de Mayo (Look it up on Eventbrite) Here’s a review left by a commentator on the RooshV Forum: “If you want to meet black girls who behave more like European girls, this is highly recommended. You will hear English, French, Pidgin, Swahili, Igbo, Yoruba, etc. spoken there, and songs in all those languages. I was told there is also an after-party after 10 where they also play rap, but I cannot say anything about it as as we left before this. Talent–I didn’t see any supermodels, but there were quite a few very… Read more »
“Nowadays it’s tougher to tell the real deal dudes from the posers.”
O.K. Now I’m intrigued. How do you size up a club, “scene”, or such?
” O.K. Now I’m intrigued. How do you size up a club, “scene”, or such?” As a guy, the number one thing is the ratio of males to females. Are the guys actively gaming the girls, or even speaking to them? Some dudes are bitches, and competition makes them feel badly. And if there are a bunch of angry looking cats lining the walls, never venturing out to dance or talk to women/people – just kinda sulking, thars trouble somewhere in that group. Used to be once upon a time that guys could size up people in an establishment by… Read more »
Thank you to everyone who responded to me. I’m touched everyone’s taken the time to share their experiences and offer suggestions. Sentient That list is amazing thank you. I have copied it and will do as many of those things with him as I can. I’ve just checked on MMA and the only place I can find has a 12 age restriction. But maybe I can find a boxing or martial arts exhibition. He’s obsessed with fighting and weapons and violence and I don’t have a problem with that per se but there are worrying signs of not being in… Read more »
Rollo
http://bit.ly/2oO0fBK
Eh / Blax
O.K. Now I’m intrigued. How do you size up a club, “scene”, or such?
Neighborhood? No cops around for blocks? Cinder block building? Vinyl “sign”? No dress code? Metal detectors? Full pat down prior to entry? Bouncers in street clothes? Multiple shootings reported? Fatalities?
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/382t8x/picture2538243/alternates/FREE_960/spot3.jpg
@TheMarquis Having A Bad Day I try to ask him his opinion and listen to him but he is very good at changing the subject and talking about superheroes and asking me something instead of actually talking about his day in school. It takes a lot of energy to pin him down to the original question. that’s the FI in play… that’s why it’s so important to get him to state his opinion… the FI is already pushing on him… bc boys are not supposed to have any opinion that is not supportive of ‘feminine primary’…= FI… and kids don’t… Read more »
@Blax why would a club have a half dozen bouncers? I regularly go to one where there are about a dozen, all in club T-shirts. Rarely are there problems in the club…the bouncers help the cabbies if the cabbies get stiffed and there’s security actively patrolling the parking lot at all times. There are bouncers by the cashiers. Bouncers help collect empty glasses and keep drinks off the dance floor. Bouncers move tables for a concert. Bouncers aren’t allowed to punch patrons, so a squad of five will quickly act if there’s a fight and wrestle the fighters to the… Read more »
@TheMarquis
It helps boys to see adult men interacting. Boys learn a lot from that. Why not occasionally bring your kids to observe you and your friends?
@Sentient
No metal or wood or glass in the bar–all plastic…reduces weaponage of mugs and stools and chairs. A pro-MMA guy I know was drunk at one of these places and put a guy down when the guy got in his face…the MMA guy then was jumped by the guy and his friends in the parking lot…hit with a pool cue in the face and lost vision in one eye and woke up in the hospital.
FR Reached out to the HB6.5 from my last FR and setup an afternoon for us within an area that was logistically favorable and kept the texting to logistics only. We met at the restaurant, had good conversation that kept her talking the majority of the time and I thought I was able to better steer our topics into emotional topics for her but still need more practice there. We had drinks and I should have just let the second drink sit (I don’t drink much) as I felt like I had more than I wanted to drink based upon… Read more »
I’d appreciate any tips on room for improvement including how to better parlay the intimacy.
Lead her back to your place, and fuck.
else…
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zR0uYGBjKtw/VcxlpU3vHvI/AAAAAAABuGg/wL-_OrPhG3I/s1600/dating%2B1960s%2B%25285%2529.jpg
enjoy the time you had again…
your place
Or a car, behind a bush in the park, stairwell etc… Isolate.
@Catchers – this is roughly what my dates looked like in around 2013 and I still got laid occasionally as long as I managed to get into isolation – as Sentient says, you did pretty well on this date and all you really needed to do was isolate and escalate and if she was turned on enough, the lay would have happened (indeed, the act of isolation and escalation itself would have turned her on more). So that’s all you need to do next time you are in this position. Later on there’s more stuff you can do – ramp… Read more »
@Sentient Thanks for the feedback. Will work on this next time around @Culum Thanks as well. Since you remember a time when your dates were similar was there a key change you made to your approach that you would recommend? It seems to me that it’s just going to take more repetition and building confidence based upon continual success and calibrating as needed. I think that based upon the feedback I’m going to setup our next get together and lead her back to her bedroom with a high degree of confidence that I will be successful. Where I get a… Read more »
any advice for this key transitory period would be greatly appreciated.
Only see her once or twice a week, and don’t communicate much in between (don’t start texting her every morning “Morning!” and speaking with her every day, etc.). And keep opening other girls all the time and follow through on laying those girls as quickly as possible. There is no Mystery to this method.
@Catchers I know I seem to say this in response to every question, but it’s true. Check the YaReally archive for his writing on how not to fall into girlfriend mode with a girl after sleeping with her. In essence don’t see her too often (once a week MAX – preferably less, and def not on prime weekend nights) and don’t do “girlfriendy” things with her – no introducing to friends (much less parents, lol) no movie nights cuddled up on the couch – nothing. If it’s about sex, then it’s about sex and maybe a drink before and a… Read more »
@The Marquis “He’s obsessed with fighting and weapons and violence and I don’t have a problem with that per se but there are worrying signs of not being in control of his aggression in school and that needs to be stamped on hard (someone else talked about play fighting with him – I think I may have to do that). I used to be into martial arts in college but stopped a long time ago. I may need to get back into it and also get him to “work out” with me. But that’s something for another post another day… Read more »
@pua So still not 100% healthwise yet, though i’ve been going out a bit here and there. its helping me to figure out what to focus on when i am better and go on my blitz here hopefully before too long. i have them listed at the bottom, if you just want to skip to them. I just had to dump out my thoughts here to figure out where to focus, and how to do better when I get out there again. one of the main things i noticed, both just from being sick and going out here over the… Read more »
also blax thanks for the info on black clubs, will keep that in mind
Having A Bad Day Thank you again. I never thought of it that way. That his changing the subject is a kind of defence mechanism because he’s been socialised that expressing his own opinion is a negative thing. It’s very useful to have suggestions for responding to that. I don’t really understand how he can be socialised that way at such a young age. He talks all the time. He’s far from an introvert and his teachers all say he’s a very sociable kid. But that brings me to SJF Thank you for those links – I read the blog… Read more »
What’s up Marquis… a few things for you… My wife agrees in principle when I talk about how I want him to be confident and assertive and able to handle himself even in physical situations, but in practice we often disagree She wants sausage (heh) not sausage making… or do not talk about Fight Club Jr. Also another reason why getting away from the squaws is important… and “don’t tell your mom, she is a girl, she won’t understand” bonding. These are shit tests for YOU hoss… so you need to pass them.. Standard techniques apply agree and amplify… negs…… Read more »
“You need to get more control of her, and be careful to not have your son in the middle of the power struggle between you two.” Cosign. Don’t let the kids see you arguing or struggling in front of them. Mom will use this against you in the future and it definitely hurts the children. Keep in mind that the testing of your fatherhood by the mother will never end. Shit testing never does end. And don’t you dare let that frustrate you, because it is normal operating procedure. Don’t wish it were easier, just be better. The mom is… Read more »
@TheMarquis Having A Bad Day I don’t really understand how he can be socialised that way at such a young age. the FI is cunning and pervasive… He talks all the time. He’s far from an introvert and his teachers all say he’s a very sociable kid. sooo, it’s even MORE important for the FI to push on him NOW… to get him aligned with feminine primary socialization… bc he will likely be outspoken in the future too… AND why it’s more important for you to win this battle now… My wife agrees in principle when I talk about how… Read more »
“My wife agrees in principle . . . but in practice we often disagree about what is appropriate.”
So, when confronted she says “Yes, dear,” to get you off her back and then goes after what she wants anyway.
You need to upgrade your concept of “agrees.”
There’s a lot to take in here, but if I’m being honest it makes me uncomfortable to read some of this. Not in a bad way just in a “how can I get to the point where I can actually do the things that are suggested” way. The idea of telling my son to keep things from his mom as a secret for the men..you know I don’t even know if he’s capable of keeping something from his mom. He may be but I’ve just never done anything like it. He’s not a snitch but he might tell her just… Read more »
Marquis
“what am I going to say?”
Try “you finished?” And go back to what you were doing.
Resetting the relationship requires some blowing shit up, also known as frame setting.
@ The Marquis “…but if I’m being honest it makes me uncomfortable to read some of this… That was actually “coded for” in the Matrix to make you have inertia and prevent your acting “And just the thought of the shit storm of biblical proportions that will descend if she finds out I’ve told him to keep secrets from her – especially if it is something “misogynist” or “sexist” – I’m a bit apprehensive about dealing with that. What am I going to say? “It’s not misogynist” or “I’m his dad and I’m just teaching him stuff”? In the the… Read more »
@ marquis
Go out for some male bonding,get some sticks and run through the woods hitting branches and play sword fighting.Have so much fun you are late for dinner come home all muddy and messy,when she throws her tantrum smile and wink at your son as if she can do no harm to your bliss.
They told me what she doesn’t know can’t hurt her.
Support is appreciated everyone. I know doing this isn’t optional. Indulging in a victim puke. I’m on it though.
@TheMarquis
Just be thankful you caught RP in time. Doing this now is way better than blowing up the marraige in 20-odd years because you didn’t.
TheMarquis Support is appreciated everyone. I know doing this isn’t optional. Indulging in a victim puke. I’m on it though. It is not easy to go directly against years of training, against fear that was built into you. Your wife is not your mother, she can yell all she wants but she’s still not your mother. You have to actively view her as what she is, a girl. A big girl, the biggest teenager in the house, but a girl. As Blax said, they are all girls. Game works on women. It works on the 20-something barrista or bank clerk,… Read more »
Marquis An oldy but goody. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/asshole-game-week-the-relationship-reset/ The boy is a proxy in the bigger battle… A scene from this morning for example… Wife wakes up irritated at something nothing to do with me. Quickly segues a still in bed convo towards not the issue but me ” you never say goodbye on the phone you kust hand up”. Wait. Wtf? Where did this come from? There was a time when I would logically defend this slander… And we would go round and round all day on it. And I would cave just to escape… Today this was met with ”… Read more »
FR about a weird and fun night. I was Frat Man ™ last night, My frat was I Felta Thi and I didn’t like my gf’s sorority, I Eta Theta. Some girls didn’t get it, lol. One girl asked me how many girls I danced with. I said that I lost count. Next time I get that question I’ll tell the person to submit their guess to win a prize and point them to some random other person, lol. One girl bought me a drink after I danced with her hottie friend. Both were hot. Just girls, tho, like Blax… Read more »
“It’s all bullshit if you just reject it and set the frame.” I’m still seeing a lot of Sentient’s Platinum Rule and positive Frame Setting in Vadim Zeland’s Reality Transurfing. It is a PoPT type of book, but it tells how and why in order to control external reality. It is an abstract Model of Frame Setting. How and why to set Frame. This interview with Zeland gives some background on his writings: http://www.talasi.org/index.php/en/23-srpski/transurfing-balkan/102-interview-with-vadim-zeland Q. How is it possible to simply “get what one desires”? Zeland: “If I try to formulate the essence of Transurfing in general, your world is… Read more »
In the last thread, in a response to @catchers asking about conversing and “fostering emotional connection”, sexualizing, I linked an essay by Chopan, “How I conversate” showing how to go about doing so with text examples. This morning I was re-watching, “VIcky Cristina Barcelona” and then this scene came up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN_237kUaXM
Great visual example of what Chopan’s talking about. For a game breakdown of this scene see:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/great-scenes-of-game-in-the-movies-6/
https://realchristianmcqueen.com/2015/06/17/direct-game-personified-lets-fly-to-oviedo/
TheMarquis If you’re still here somewhere. This sub thread probably had a place in the post about fighting blue pill conditioning but I’ll put it here where it began. Can’t add much to the great advice and tips you already got about bringing the boy along, but wanted to reinforce the great value I got from pursuing adventure movies, books and stories with my sons as was mentioned by others upthread. I started them out with some real old material – Burt Lancaster in the Crimson Pirate, Erroll Flynn as Robin Hood, stuff like that. I didn’t know about giving… Read more »
Sex Wars: A New Hope: or two completely different field experiences this weekend.. FR#1: there’s a girl who works at the bar where I hang out who I have been gaming for a while at a low boil. She’s 23, blonde, cute, 7 with makeup, and I pegged her early on a potential lay. I’ve been push pulling for the last month or so, alternating between engaging her and then just leaving randomly, to ignoring her completely. By this weekend she was basically spending every free second she had coming up to where I was sitting to chat with me.… Read more »
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That is a baller scene… great movie too. Here is another.. this is “beta” from a strong Alpha frame…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPHuBgEUO6U
at the end of the day they want to a) feel valued by a high value man and b) give themselves to a high value man. abundance mindset goes a long way to establishing your frame a high value man and a man who gets what he wants…
@ Black Pill Not trying to be an asshole or anything, but I have a question for you: Are you looking for sex, or are you looking for a wife? I only ask because you said _ ‘ …As I am talking to her I realize this is the kind of girl I would marry, she’s just beautiful, inside and out.’. There are tons and tons and tons of very smart and fun and beautiful/pretty chicks out there in the world. It’s just that ‘sluts’ seem to have a spotlight shining on them all day every day. Just be aware… Read more »
LR I asked her to join me at a restaurant and to bring her dancing shoes for after so we could go dancing together. She responded excitedly so we confirmed plans. Dinner went well, we had good conversation, and I was able to successfully elicit more emotion and let her carry the conversation a bit so I could try to eat. She insisted on splitting the bill and recommended we consolidate cars prior to heading out to dance so we headed towards her place. Walking out of the restaurant towards the car I blanked on holding her hand / touching… Read more »
@Blaximus’ comment to @Black Pill. Black Pill’s two field reports couldn’t be a better representation of The Madonna/Whore Complex if he tried really hard to illustrate that problem with anger phase Gamers. In conspiracy theorist terms, the Black Pill occurs when people, confronted with the New World Order, break down into Nihilism. reference, definition of black pill: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Manosphere_glossary#cite_note-20 Just wanted to make a note of that. It’s interesting that one of the purposes of writing or telling a field report is to be aware of the dynamics of what happened there IRL, in real time of the encounter. That awareness… Read more »
@Catchers
First off solid job dude. Leading, teasing, escalating….
“The key sticking point in my mind is the “morality” of continuing to game girls when I’ve already become intimate with someone I’m seeing”
Commandment VII. Always keep two in the kitty.
The reason this is recommended by the community is because it helps build a abundance/Non-needy mentality (which girls can feel). Helps avoid oneitis. Which keeps her attracted to you. Hypergamy doesn’t care about “morality”.
Required reading:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/11/14/dont-stop-thinking-about-the-next-girl/
Good luck
@CatchersIndifference “Honestly a somewhat frustrating night aside from the time I enjoyed my date’s company but it worked out very well. This night taught me that most things can go wrong during an afternoon and I can still get us to where I want us.” This is where your are creating artificial “high hurdles” in saying that the night was frustrating. Lower those mental hurdles with your mindset and you will see better flow. Just simply don’t be frustrated by the frustrations. Change the barriers in front of you to have them be “No Big Deal”. In other words, shut… Read more »
@ Black Pill and Catchers Indifference https://therationalmale.com/2012/05/21/relational-equity/ Bear this truth in mind, you do not buy into a good marriage or LTR, you create one, you build one. Your sweet little Good Girl who grew up in the Amish Dutch Country is just as hypergamous as the club slut you nailed last night. Different girls, different contexts, same hypergamy. You may have enough experience to know a woman who’d make a good foundation, but you ultimately build your own marriage/monogamy based on your own strengths or dissolve it based on inherent flaws – there are no pre-fab marriages. This is… Read more »
@Blackpill
I am seeing a pattern the first girl you disqualified and the second one you disqualified yourself,passing up two consecutive lays,seemingly sure things.Now both of them may have initialy thought what is wrong with me that he didn’t persue,by seconds they concluded that the problem is yours:gay,married,diseased or ED.
Don’t let this taint your next encounter LOL don’t expect the same level of interest from either one,they are both used to more attention and effort .
Can’t say as I blame you as I haven’t seen anything worth poking fun at in weeks.
Heartiste commandment #XII. Maximize your strengths, minimize your weaknesses In the betterment of ourselves as men we attract women into our orbit. To accomplish this gravitational pull as painlessly and efficiently as possible, you must identify your natural talents and shortcomings and parcel your efforts accordingly. If you are a gifted jokester, don’t waste time and energy trying to raise your status in philosophical debate. If you write well but dance poorly, don’t kill yourself trying to expand your manly influence on the dancefloor. Your goal should be to attract women effortlessly, so play to your strengths no matter what… Read more »
@stuffinbox @blaximus I had no interest in laying the 30+. There’s a high rate of HIV infection here and I know from experience that girls who slut it up drunk aren’t that vigilant about using condoms. Yes I can wrap it up, but then you still need to go get tested (I get tested once a year for life insurance), and I’ve had enough experiences of fidgeting during an HIV test to want to repeat it again. In fact it’s probably safer to go to a prostitute here because they are so careful. That’s why the qualification took place in… Read more »
I had a very interesting conversation this weekend (I did a full write up and the implications here: https://alphajedi.com/2017/04/25/unbut-totallyconditional-love/), but when talking with married couples about relationships it’s amazing how much Blue Pill Matrix speak gets tossed at you. Notes from the conversation: 1) The reason anyone is single is because they have not met The One yet 2) Relations last because of “hard work and communication” 3) Men are intimidated by the Strong Independent Woman So, I posed a question about when to end a relationship or marriage: “How long do things have to be consistently bad before you… Read more »
@Alpha Jedi, thanks for that write up. I was going to remind everyone in this thread that Field Reports aren’t limited to just stories about the women you did or didn’t get with. It’s also for observation of what you see in the ‘field’ with regards to Red Pill awareness too.
@Blackpill
The content of those voice notes,would be interesting FR material.
The market sounds extreme in SA,not sure what you are looking for,the girls with N1 are likely locked in their bedroom with the little dog listening to pop music while feeling insecure. You may catch a suspicious one ioi from the corner of her eye ocasionaly.
@stuffinbox I’m gonna listen to them a bit later and will let you know. She introduced me to a friend this weekend who is a solid 10, so may be worth some more work, but gonna have to figure out how to delicately let her down. Not too good at the release yet… I meet a few N0s and N1s because I talk to a lot of girls doing promo work. About a quarter of them are not in pubs and bars because the like it, it’s just good easy money doing that work in these parts. In fact the… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0f1wH6LOEI
“I’ve got this voice inside my head that does that for me now.”
The best part of that pew research study was the last paragraph. I hope these researchers aren’t getting muh tax dollars for that shit.
Understanding ” people ” requires thinking and observation, as well as interacting with a vast and wide ranging sample.
Political and ideological leanings are in no way genetic. That makes absolutely no sense at all, logically. Its 100% nurture.
This dumb shit helps to confuse and mislead people.
Lol, yet another reason men are baffled and confused about ‘ people ‘, women in particular. I wish we could have some kind of moratorium on the publishing of genetic studies for a few years because people take this shit too seriously and it causes confusion and muddying of the waters.
So it’s been over a week and i’ve not been arrested, so i’m assuming i’m somewhat ‘safe’ now! lol I mean, she doesn’t know anything about me so it’s not as if the police would be at my door straight away if she’d have reported a crime, but since it’s been 9 days and i’ve not heard anything or seen my picture on my local news site!!…… As such, i’ll put a little bit of detail into the Lay report of that hot teenage girl who was half my age. I had just been too the pub with 3 guy… Read more »
@blaximus the Pew study is a foot in the door of the subject. It’s covered in multiple studies. There’s even a neurological basis for it, with amygdala size punted as one of the major factors that can determine political orientation. That doesn’t mean it’s completely reductionist, a lot of other factors contribute. Ruling out genetics in human behavior is completely illogical, and anecdotal observation while useful in its own way, doesn’t beat systematic analysis using suitable sized samples. One problem I have noticed is that a lot of TRP commentary doesn’t take into account the basis for sample selection or… Read more »
@Blackpill
I Agree with Blaximus on this,political orientation is not genetic,rather it is learned. Although the taking a radical stance towards politics would appear to be genetic or just stupid.
Good luck with the daygame. An old wing(68yo) of mine is coming by to get his truck fixed and we will go out clubbing for old times sake.This will be my first time out at night since I fixed the welders truck.
Perfect example ALL women have a capacity to cheat, and that is inherent in every woman, hence a great case for it being genetic and biological.
The exercising of this capacity is widely variable and circumstantial.
That’s how I assfucked so many ‘ good, puritanical, conservative’ church girls. Lol.
Pitbikemike
I just said ”Take me there now. I wanna see how messy your room is!”.
Nice… action, action, action.
Others take note.
Pitbikemike
I just kept forgetting everything i’ve ‘learnt’ even though I wasn’t that drunk or anything!! Couldn’t hook any girls at all, really.
Well this is why MM is important, and understanding the WHY over the how… You are reading the how and memorizing bits and pieces and trying to pull it all together… and doing a half job of it and POOF!!! You get what you get. Inconsistent results.
Stop kidding yourself that you “learnt” PU… You need to really study the WHY…
@Black Pill A good example which struck me this weekend, and which @stuffinbox just alluded to is that your low N ladies are not always going to be out in social places as much Nah, it’s not low-N, it’s the introverts who aren’t as social…and extroverted shy girls are a bit rare. Mostly, you see extroverts out, so the sample from clubs is likely skewed towards extroverted girls. Daygamers see more of a variety. The Red Pill asserts that all girls are the same when it comes to their sexual wiring…I don’t see how this is controversial. I’ve seen shy… Read more »
“How long do things have to be consistently bad before you know it’s time to end the marriage?
One couple answered right away. The husband immediately responded that loyalty comes above everything, and that one needs to honor their commitments
His wife responded right after him with “One year.”
If her hamster gets wound up in hypergamy it will be times up as of 5years ago chump.She is thinking loyalty is for losers.
@Rollo Tomassi – Any time, I’ll be adding more in the near future. Thank you Rollo for all your work paving the way!
@Stuffinbox – It’s amazing how blatantly clear hypergamy can be but for the Blue Pill lens it completely misses it. It’s almost like the Red Pill is black light that highlights things in a different spectrum completely out of sight for the Blue Pill light range. I do wish that couple well but when you see the mechanics of hypergamy you can see the train wreck coming a mile away. This is why Red Pill awareness and game are critical, it’s not that it’s about being anti-relationship (though Matrix-speak agents will tell you it is), it’s actually about knowing how… Read more »
“It’s amazing how blatantly clear hypergamy can be but for the Blue Pill lens it completely misses it. It’s almost like the Red Pill is black light that highlights things in a different spectrum completely out of sight for the Blue Pill light range.”
My wife gave me the first clue on opportunistic love and hypergamy,when she didn’t trust this female customer.When I pushed her for a reason,It was because her boyfriend was lower value and she fully expected her to upgrade.
This got me thinking,where did this come from ? AWALT.
@ Asd
” Nah, it’s not low-N, it’s the introverts who aren’t as social…and extroverted shy girls are a bit rare. Mostly, you see extroverts out, so the sample from clubs is likely skewed towards extroverted girls. Daygamers see more of a variety.
The Red Pill asserts that all girls are the same when it comes to their sexual wiring…I don’t see how this is controversial. I’ve seen shy girls and gregarious girls and extroverted girls and introverted girls and they all respond the same way to charming men.”
Damn straight.
@Blax It’s really something to see women in action when you can predict what they will do…for example, I was out a bit late Fri. (1:30 a.m.) and Sat. (1.00 a.m.) nights and Mrs. Gamer was cold as expected. I was totally zfg, messing with her despite her being cold and not letting her ice frame affect my playful frame. I didn’t give her much attention Sun. and Mon. She warmed up today. I had a marvelous time both weekend nights. It is always surprising to me to see how girls respond to me and all the stuff I can… Read more »
“And I realized that other people see me as this cool guy even though I really don’t try to be cool and I don’t think of myself as cool and am trying to…wait for it…just be myself and have fun.”
“I really don’t try to be cool”=unconscious competence phase.
And you you forgot to add: you were cool, you were fun but you also added value to the participants.
As in: With Game, be fun and add value.
Good Stuff ASD.
@ Asd
Yup. I thought the purpose of Game ( besides getting laid ) was instruction on how females operate. This is why I cosign, so heartily, Sentient’s admonitions to understand the ” Why “.
Reading MM or watching RSD or any other manner of pua material is all fine and dandy, but there’s something useful to be learned therein. That’s how the student becomes the master.
@Blax @SJF
Thanks, guys…this stuff always surprises me.
@ASD
It shouldn’t surprise you. You should know this shit. Cause you do. Cause you are a Striver.
And don’t be disingenuous when we give you social proof online, as you are getting it in real life.
@SJF
it’s my history of social awkwardness from childhood and messages I received from childhood that are pinging my emotions…it’s hard to explain…I think it’s some residual brainwashing that I’m dealing with and it will just take time and social experience to undo it.
@ ASDgamer
As explained by Sentient and HABD in the early 2016’s, here, (and naturally know by Blaximus for quite a few decades) flipping the switch has been field tested. It works. And it’s actually not that hard to explain.
Just do it.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1wy6pWVjqos/TsM2WW4AE_I/AAAAAAAAAfM/2xFVcuC9SDk/s320/woman-in-the-moon-25.jpg
http://www.kimhartman.se/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/switch-summary.jpg
@SJF Yeah, that’s the plan! Thanks! I still haven’t figured out any way to compensate for the complex conversation issue that we autists have. Not sure that can be done. Inappropriate eye contact (NMP) Monotone or formal tone of voice (not my problem “NMP”) Difficulty with turn-taking or topic-shifting in conversation (*** big problem) Difficulty with changes in routines and transitions (sometimes a problem) Trouble expanding interests (more of an obsession problem–I like variety, too) Some delays in motor development and trouble with sensory processing (MD was gone with childhood, but I still have problems with SP sometimes…I don’t “shut… Read more »
Autists have a problem often described as social blindness. What good is a light switch when you’re blind unless you have company who is sighted? Developing a good memory is very important if you’re blind. And develop senses other than vision. I’m not sure what those senses are in a social context.
filed under “It’s also for observation of what you see in the ‘field’ with regards to Red Pill awareness too.” Out at a concert with the WK bud… Seats in front of us empty, two couples come and sit, late 40’s guys and early forties women. The women are slim and attractive, but the shine is off the apple. Have the duller hair and skin that many get despite discipline in diet and exercise. Guys are the typically better looking greater beta types. Then a third girl joins them, right in front of us… a mid 20’s blonde, with a… Read more »
@Sentient cognitive dissonance is a bitch…lol Out at a concert with the WK bud… Seats in front of us empty, two couples come and sit, late 40’s guys and early forties women. The women are slim and attractive, but the shine is off the apple. Have the duller hair and skin that many get despite discipline in diet and exercise. Guys are the typically better looking greater beta types. in line with FI/BP expectations… ‘age appropriate’ matches… so no reaction from WK buddy… Then a third girl joins them, right in front of us… a mid 20’s blonde, with a… Read more »
“Yup. I thought the purpose of Game ( besides getting laid ) was instruction on how females operate. This is why I cosign, so heartily, Sentient’s admonitions to understand the ” Why “.
Reading MM or watching RSD or any other manner of pua material is all fine and dandy, but there’s something useful to be learned therein. That’s how the student becomes the master.”
^ MM explains the why………….
“Hey, stranger. You got lost. Hoping you are ok. Have a nice month end”, goes the text message from a plate I met a few months ago and closed on second night out, then twice after that then a shit test that completely failed to take off. After telling me she was code red and I dropped her at her home and was to leave, she jumped back in and started kissing me like a mad woman. I still left and she send me an ultimatum by text to “either come back or she walks…” (I wasnt bothered, she had… Read more »
@cheupez
In the morning she calls me a hypocrite.
That’s the girl being frustrated because she can’t optimize her AF/BB dual strategy with you…her forebrain won’t let her be a homewrecker and she can’t keep herself from fucking you. So, following the FI script, it must be your fault somehow…you kept your ring on, that’s it, lol.
Ocoee High teachers had sexual relationship with student, police say
http://www.clickorlando.com/education/ocoee-high-teachers-had-sexual-relationship-with-student-police-say
This girl gets around…wonder how many cowboys have been down this 17 yo trail already?
@palmasailor – “I’m not sure hypergamy cares about wrecking someone else’s home.” Hypergamy is a zero-sum game. Get the best or move on and find the best. As @Rollo Tomassi has stated many times, marriage is no shield from the sexual market place. For those under the Blue Pill fog the a hard truth they are never prepared for is the fact that no one tells you that even when you’re in a relationship, you are going to be be attracted to other people and other people are going to be attracted to you. What this does for guys is… Read more »
@stuffinbox finally listened to the voice notes for N30+ and she was just thanking me for a small favor I did her last weekend. I haven’t answered, gonna let her go. Another field report, one of frustration this time. Once again, with a hired gun. I’ve known her for about a year, had some long conversations with her over the 3-4 times we have hung out. She looks like she’s out her mind, has been in a few abusive relationships with bad boys, but she has one of the sexiest bodies I have seen, so I have been trying to… Read more »
Got my arms round her waist, she tells me I can’t hold her like that while she’s working…go right in for the kiss, get dodged. This is socially awkward because…she’s working…she will get blowback from the other employees and maybe from her boss… She then hovers around the table a bit more, initiates kino a few times (reaches over strokes my forearm). She’s still attracted at this point. She doesn’t want to kiss you at work. Didn’t try get her number again She likely would have given it. However, you didn’t understand that there is a major social rule against… Read more »
@theadsgamer thanks for the feedback. My intention was just a light kiss on the lips, but I guess she wouldn’t know that. I’ve been sick the last few weeks and just got better so am low energy at the moment and I have noticed whenever I am low energy I suck in the field. Smart move would have been to build attraction up again, set up a time to hang out and then push. This girl’s perfect toned ass will now haunt me. The girls with bf thing is legit. These guys tend to come mate guard while their girls… Read more »
Pupil dilation???
@Blax
Nah, man, didn’t do any weed this morning.
@blaximus when you look at someone (or even something) you like or find attractive your pupils reflexively dilate. If someone doesn’t like you their pupils will contract. Ambient light conditions obviously affect it, but you can pick up changes in pupil size if you’re aware of it. Women probably better at picking it up then men.
@Blackpill The first girl that msg you sounds as if she has put you in the friend zone,so ya you may as well write her off unless there is an outside chance of your pussy hurting and you need someone to talk about it with. The alpha widow cocktail server is another part of the same story,man you have to get her chasing you first. You can’t just go up and initiate with her UTILL you have proven yourself as the most alpha in sight,if you do the hugs and kisses thing without this alpha social proof you are just… Read more »
@Blackpill
I have had it work both ways,in that self confidence and ZFG energy and spring tesion in my step all in all on top of the world positive attitude,works pretty good>ALPHA
Then been the wounded bear,just fn draggin ass,yet don’t fuck with me and the guys are intimidated the women pick up on this intimidation.ALPHA
Interesting night. I’m about 80% sure I saw the crazy teenager from my layreport within about 5 minutes of being out! Living in a small town sucks! I made eye contact for a split second and looked away but pretty sure it was her. Anyway, last night was so good and interesting because I was able to ‘hook’ so many sets compared to usual. Felt brilliant. I was less ‘routines’ based but kind of copied JulienRSD and relied on tonality and charisma(?). So I was just asking chode questions to open, but due to things like facial expression and tonality,… Read more »