For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
Next bigger social event will be a birthday party I launch with some friends of mine when back home. Specials will be woodstove pizza and Barrique-Cider lol. Till then I’m working the west-coast. But in between I’m checking the german news, climbing from one embarrassing news to the next apocalyptic announcement. Newest hotness is German .gov quasi-nationising the Rosneft-led refinery in Schwedt, till now virtually solely-run on Russian pipeline crude. In spring Habeck announced he wanted to shut off the pipeline around October, now they say 1. January, which is an EU-embargo, so they will probably stick to that. Apart… Read more »
@NNN1 Gas storages were filled, which to me seems like a miracle, but who knows. don’t be mislead here… the ‘storage’ they are talking about isn’t a complete reserve for the winter… it only acts as a buffer (to smooth out the demand curve which might exceed the pipeline capacity for delivery) for high demand load when needed and then fills back up when demand is less… over the winter, it gradually depletes… bc the ‘demand is less’ level is still higher than average usage… And then: Where’s HABD’s new challenge? you probably weren’t around about 3 years ago when… Read more »
eh… have a couple of FRs but don’t feel the vibe to post them. Short versions… If you run across 5’9″ 110 lb C cup BEB BPD 9… just know what you are getting into… They will telegraph all the tells, don’t lie to yourself. [no this isn’t about me being burned, it was a great interaction, just an observation from the field]. NNN1 – AMOG moves… the hard core ones still exist lol. I was with a married ex ballerina (super super tight body), when I went to the bathroom at a late night bar and this young suited… Read more »
@Sentient eh… have a couple of FRs but don’t feel the vibe to post them. Come on… someone has to do something…just because the world is going to shit we need a distraction… If anything we all need to tighten up our game bc you know when shit gets real, women get twitchy… and will spin up. There’s been a few things I could poast which aren’t strictly field reports in the game sense, but interaction with age appropriate neighbours / general population who are freaking out at the age diff.. between me and the current Mrs PS… everyone is… Read more »
Lol. That guy’s head is going to explode…
@Sentient that guys head is gonna explode Lol.. Yeah.. When we came out of their place, Mrs PS said “well they absolutely hate us and she’s totally neurotic but they won’t say anything, but they’ll probably object to our house plans” So for context, these are two pictures to give you a sense of scale of change. https://imgur.com/a/Cal3i5u The top is similar to what we’re buying, but what we’re buying is a lot worse, and the bottom is similar in theory, but again not the same as what’s planned. What’s planned is a lot better, and different, but the same… Read more »
@Palma Cheers on that venture! I always am reminded of my great grandfather who had to sell tremendous amounts of property and housing for nothing but a few Mark in the great crisis of the 1920s. Because in that situation, far too many need money and sell off their properties, while only very few really buy one. So you probably have already included that in your calculations, so yeah … just to mention it. @Sentient Probs on that move, you might want to post the other reports as well? – Even just for the vibe of the FR section… @habd… Read more »
Clean up in aisle SFG
@NNN1 Because in that situation, far too many need money. So you probably have already included that in your calculations, so yeah … just to mention it. Actually what I think is going to happen is inflation / stagflation. Which is what happened here in the 70’s during the oil price / problems we had them but worse. What that does is devalue debt provided you can service the debt and stop it turning toxic ie loss of assets. In the 70’s we had power cuts and a 3 day week then and we had a paraffin lamp for light.… Read more »
Classic SJF drunk poasting. Next we’ll have a Scribblerg drive by rant. Add a few YouTubes from Rugby and it’ll be like old times…
Sentient dude, you can’t tease like that and not post an FR!
So… the latest relationship has come to an end and there’s a lot to say. Now, I know that many here either don’t practice monogamy nor do they encourage it however it’s the path I’ve chosen for this stage in my life. I’m open to any feedback you may have but I’m curious to know what teachings I can take from the latest journey. Ultimately, my goal is to find a woman to build a strong, long-term relationship with and start a family together – so let that color your perspective here: Last fall I had just moved back to… Read more »
@Catchers Lots here, and alarm bells are ringing, both in terms of her, and in terms of you. Feels like you’re at a certain stage and want something in life and you’re trying to fit the woman you have into the box you want, as opposed to her being the correct woman. I did that with the second wife. I woke up wanting a family, and married the woman I had at that time as opposed to dealing with it properly. It was an expensive mistake. My gut is you should bounce her. That’s gut after reading your poast. Which… Read more »
You might want to change your Point of View just for practice. all those escalation is coming from you, you want to discuss commitment in a way one would try to discuss desire. And then you want to argue with her like a little child on wether or not she can attend a party with her friends? Seriously – Would you abide her telling you to not go to that concert? If yes, you might reconsider how far you’ve comprehended Rollo’s work. You say her ex boyfriend (which seems to have alpha-widowed her here) was manipulative – now, what are… Read more »
I recommend cancelling the order for the ring right now.
The current Mrs PS doesn’t have an engagement ring. I didn’t buy one. She does have a wedding ring which is a band and was bought based on its weight. About €60.. I don’t remember precisely, I told them to keep the change.
Oh boy… Oh boy… this is a 2015 era RT post in the making…
Simply stop dealing with her and move on. Far to much going on here to salvage, both you and her. More specifics tomorrow, but net net – STOP!!!
@palma “Feels like you’re at a certain stage and want something in life and you’re trying to fit the woman you have into the box you want, as opposed to her being the correct woman” I think you hit the nail on the head here – really resonated with me. I’ve struggled to find the “correct woman” and feel a bit lost in that department. I have no problem finding women but I could use some help in vetting women better before committing to them exclusively. Early on, considering how well everything was going I thought she could be a… Read more »
@CatchersIndifference So… the latest relationship has come to an end and there’s a lot to say. sounds like you ducked a bullet…lol Now, I know that many here either don’t practice monogamy nor do they encourage it however it’s the path I’ve chosen for this stage in my life. have you learned nothing here?…lol… you don’t have to actually bang other girls, but you do have to have the ‘option’ to do so… sooo, your attitude and behavior needs to reflect THAT… and THAT is the ONLY way you can maintain attraction/arousal in the girl you are with… ESPECIALLY if… Read more »
@Catchers: that you even have to ask just shows how far out of your depth you are. Don’t marry her, and more than that, don’t have kids with her. She is probably “saving the best” material right there – read this: https://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/ Now tell me, how does this make you feel? How to explain it… You know she is in her epiphany phase (right?) and from the group of friends she trusts it really seems she used to be a party girl through and through. Regarding her history with her ex – you should be aware that is what she… Read more »
@NNN1 “all those escalation is coming from you, you want to discuss commitment in a way one would try to discuss desire. And then you want to argue with her like a little child on wether or not she can attend a party with her friends? Seriously – Would you abide her telling you to not go to that concert? If yes, you might reconsider how far you’ve comprehended Rollo’s work.” Good points – I can see how the arguments can seem petulant. Within those conversations I’m sharing with her my expectations, standards and boundaries for maintaining a relationship with… Read more »
@habd – thanks for the break-down! “sounds like you ducked a bullet…lol” Agreed! “you don’t have to actually bang other girls, but you do have to have the ‘option’ to do so… sooo, your attitude and behavior needs to reflect THAT… and THAT is the ONLY way you can maintain attraction/arousal in the girl you are with… ESPECIALLY if she is the only one you are with… she will NOT like it… and will sh*t test you on it until her hindbrain is satisfied that she can’t ‘change you’… but that emotional edge is what she (her hindbrain) actually craves…”… Read more »
I won’t have time to look properly until Saturday morning GMT.
Bounce her. Apart from anything else it stinks of BPD. Plus she’s too old to give you a family. Plus you are in the wrong place.
You pushing for exclusivity telegraphs lack of options so this thing is headed down the shitter.. very fast..
You need a 25 y/o.., and you need to work on you in order to get one.
Getting a 25 y/o will mean a mental reset, and you’re gonna have to want it enough to do the work.
Ok Catchers… here you go… You’re the kind of guy who frustrates the world, so much right and your mental models hold you back. [PS ROLLO – post text box at BOTTOM of page better!] Ultimately, my goal is to find a woman WHO WANTS to build a strong, long-term relationship with ME and start a family together FTFY Ended up matching with an HB8 that I shared a lot of similarities with and we began dating exclusively after the first couple of dates went really well. You really think SHE was exclusive after a few dates? C’mon. And why… Read more »
This kind of drivel isn’t going to help with unbending.
How about one post, not six little jots…?
Ok Catchers… here you go… You’re the kind of guy who frustrates the world, so much right and your mental models hold you back. [PS ROLLO – post text box at BOTTOM of page better!] Ultimately, my goal is to find a woman WHO WANTS to build a strong, long-term relationship with ME and start a family together FTFY Retrospectively, I can see your point here considering some / all of her actions conflicted with her words along the way. You really think SHE was exclusive after a few dates? C’mon. And why be in such a rush to offer… Read more »
We’ll you took a lot on the chin there, but you’re still a child playing with dynamite to a certain extent.
What’s the plan going forward?
@palma We’ll you took a lot on the chin there, but you’re still a child playing with dynamite to a certain extent. What’s the plan going forward? Interesting question – I guess my plan depends on what my goals are moving forward. I’ve already been through the phase of breaking through some of my conditioning and facing the ugly truths of intersexual politics but obviously I have more to learn. Failure would be making the same mistakes in this relationship in my next one: -Not vetting her more -Giving exclusivity too soon / unearned -Not putting myself first -Spending too… Read more »
Catchers First good on you for staying in the game, focusing and looking to improve. Cheers. Second – you got this if you want it. You just need to get to the point where your inner self takes over and you put YOU first in all your relationships. Open eyed, no buffers, no dreams. Retrospectively, I can see your point here considering some / all of her actions conflicted with her words along the way. Don’t listen to what they say, watch what they DO. women are liars with deniability, because their lies are based on their emotions which to… Read more »
You vetted her fine.
Uh no. Not at all..
Stop with this shit.
lol watched that Jordan Peterson clip….. seven minute word salad on how to tiptoe around saying NO.
pussies dry in the conference center… lolzlzolzlzolzzz
It’s not BPD catchers… It’s default wiring, they all do it. Just a matter of how hard, how often.
You need to work on you, what you want, how you will get that and what it will cost other people who get in the way.
That unicorn virgin sundress trad girl is just as bad deep down if given the opportunity. I know.
So “vetting” is ultimately a fools errand if you lack the means to deal with the issues.
But this is the manosphere and guys will hunt unicorn instead of self improve.
@sentient Catchers, I’d be surprised if she didn’t during your ‘romance”. It is what it is. After she returned from the bachelorette party we tried to work out our differences but she was mostly unwilling to budge. She did express regret for not staying in touch and digging her heels in but held on pretty fiercely for the “right” to go to future bachelorette parties. She did promise no more clubs or similar activities but I took them as vacant promises considering she has little self control around these friends + drinking and had no remaining trust in her. At… Read more »
For a change of pace – how about a couple FRs? Took a couple weeks off after the last relationship and decided to get back to going out dancing. A decent band was playing and I needed to get my mind off my ex. I show up in the foulest mood ever and I’m disappointed that it’s not very crowded and there are mostly unattractive older women that can’t dance on the dance floor. I bide my time and one of them asks me to dance and it helps me lighten my mood a bit and get out of my… Read more »
Just sitting down to read @Catchers field report when “bing” out went all the power. About 8.30 pm… Something had to be up because I got a text on Saturday: This is UK Power Networks. We keep the lights on in your area, regardless of who you pay your electricity bills to. It’s important that you know who we are so you can contact us if you need to. Our statement of services is available for you on our website ukpowernetworks.co.uk/statement-of-services So yeah – never received anything like that ^^ before in my entire life, and 5 days later the… Read more »
@Palma Yeah, that future is what happens when you just close your eyes in front of an energy crisis instead of allowing for prices to adjust themselves… Apart from that you might want to reflect on whether or not this might also just be a statistics thing. On the power outage last time did you feel the same? – I mean it was also once in five years I guess. Actually european electricity and gas consumption have greatly declined, as energy intense industries are shutting down – which is exactly the best solution when adressing more power supply is not… Read more »
Catchers I was hoping for another opportunity to dance with them both in order to move the conversation to a point where I’d grab either of their phone numbers Good for you getting back to it. Here, you have to forget about DANCE, the objective is to use dance as a dhv to then leverage. So once you have attraction you bounce them to a quiet area of the venue, have a drink, lock in, let those jealousy plot lines play out and look to close… you don’t keep dancing. Some tweaks, some ruthlessness and you could be killing it.… Read more »
*I’m done dancing and about to leave. She responds “I guess I’ll have to see you next week then.” *
Get in the habit of hitting these windows. Just say “maybe. Here” hand her your phone and she will put her number in. Quick emotion text.
Another one in play. Easy.
You know they’re not there to dance right?
@NNN1 Two-step, waltz & polka dancing to country music mainly. @Sentient @Palma Thanks for the tips – I think if I examine my motives honestly I’m buffering out of fear of rejection for a couple of reasons. I feel like if we can get 2-3 dances over the course of a couple of hours I can generate attraction & familiarity, I can dhv w/ my dancing skill and get a better sense for attraction level then move from there. This includes more eye contact, dancing closer / more seductively etc. I refuse to be one of these guys asking women… Read more »
Need to get better at generating interesting conversation and slipping in dhv stories / spiking emotions etc. Here you go. Enter capital G game… When you get past looks, situational alpha stuff like dancing, and free iois… you get to the place where you start cold, maybe with a negative reaction even, and you build build build build… and generate attraction. That is what you want. And you can get there, kick out the crutches and sally forth… There is nothing better than turning a cold girl into a hot one, and knowing exactly what you are doing getting there.… Read more »
@Sentient & @ HABD have now covered all of it really so I don’t have anything to add except to underline my initial comment which is that you have a lot of work to do on yourself first and foremost:
I’m buffering out of fear of rejection for a couple of reasons.
Who is the prize ?
The work needs to be done on yourself first and foremost. If you don’t consider yourself the prize, why not? And what are you going to do about that?
Amen to what Sentient said – that feeling of the vibe changing is amazing. I’ve only done it a handful of times (once on cold approach and a couple of times on online dates with potential sugar babies who flipped after realizing they couldn’t make me a beta provider so I must be alpha) vs the dozens of times I’ve fucked up a sure thing, but it feels great. Particularly remember the cold approach one who started off totally focussed on my (goodlooking, younger, does MMA) wing, and over a few minutes she totally turned physically towards me and became… Read more »
Interesting evening. Because we’re moving out to the sticks we’re trying local restaurants around new location. Find a pizza place that’s kicking in sleepy local village. Looks good, and we can’t get in last night so we book for tonight. That was a push but got a table. So we arrive and all good. Table a deux in the corner. Order our stuff and it all arrives. Shortly after we get there two women both early 30’s, A who is a blonde, blue eyed and about a 7 and B who is her happy fat friend, would still be good… Read more »
Palma – but how good was the tiramisu? That’s the million dollar question…
It sounds like a profitable evening for you – some good tiramisu and some solid bonus dread to keep the wife on her toes…
60 year old Steve Lyon still doing Steve Lyon.
Old man 😆🤣😂
No vetting is finding things out before hand.
Alec’s setting a he’ll of a pace old boy 😉
Yeah I got some catching up to do.
@CatchersIndifference “i walked down the street and fell into a hole that i didn’t see… etc… you need to learn that you can actually walk around the hole…” In this case are you saying that moving forward, I should spend more time vetting to find / avoid these holes prior to committing to exclusivity? yes… you don’t need to fall into that hole… especially since you should now be able to see it and get out immediately if you do… http://mymeditativemoments.com/realization-for-change/ learning from other’s mistakes is a sign of wisdom…lol and we’ve made plenty of mistakes getting to the point… Read more »
Alright. My dread report. We had a student come to our house for dinner. 24 years old cute and easy 7 maybe 7.5 or so, if her look is your type (it is not mine). The daughter of a distant family friend who we had never met before and were asked to meet through two connections. She just moved down for grad school we had a nice dinner and she met me my wife and kids. I gave her some advice about career prospects and living in this city and so did my wife. There was no flirting or vibe… Read more »
She said I just sat there like a king while my wife served us.
She said That she felt like a frumpy housewife.
competition anxiety is competition anxiety… you don’t need an IOI from the girl, your wife is imputing it…
Good stuff OTP
“It was entertaining to see my wife create something out of nothing in her head unless I missed an IOI from the girl that my wife saw”
Probably just her hamster spinning itself up out of nothing, but I do note that I learned more about IOIs from my wife than from all other sources combined.
When she suddenly appeared out of nowhere to clutch me possessively I knew she had seen something that I had missed.
she was too young to address me by my first name and that she was too informal with me
Anything your age minus 27 is fine to suck your cock provided its over 23 or so.
Just tell your wife that and she’ll be fine.. Promise..
When she suddenly appeared out of nowhere to clutch me possessively I knew she had seen something that I had missed.
Women are 100 red pill 100% of the time. No logic buffers, no deductive reasoning… straight Evo bio truth wired up to emotion.
Serious question, and I wonder why no one else brought it up:
Why do you always reassure your wife about you loing only her? I mean, you could have left a little doubt in that, because you killed all that dread off right when you assured her…
Hahaha – thanks guys! Learning experiences come out of nowhere.. @NNN1 – this is a good question. Basically, because it was a “comfort test” rather than a “shit test”. In essence, it was not her challenging my frame and testing me to see how I react. It was her seeking genuine reassurance from a position of vulnerability. Distinguishing between the two can be tricky because the words can be identical – you have to go on the emotional vibe and attitude underlying it. Like for example, last week she made a comment before I went out to meet a male… Read more »
well, it looks like the Deep State Players ™ took the next step towards pushing ww3… and trying to salvage their necks from the chopping block…lol https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/defunct-nord-stream-2-pressure-mysteriously-plunges aaand, the probable cause…lol https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/damage-nord-stream-pipelines-unprecedented-may-have-been-sabotaged and note – the biden regime threatened to do it back in jan/feb…lol if this is a big enough damage… = creating a structural impossibility to supply gas (at any cost… rubles or not…) via NS1 or NS2… (until it’s fixed… which might be next summer…) regardless of what new deals the EU .govs might want to make with russia… stopping the .govs from jumping ship from the… Read more »
and trying to salvage their necks from the chopping block…lol
I don’t think it will achieve that, People blame and point at whoever is in “power” in the moment. They don’t look any deeper than that..
My foggy cristal ball told me both pipelines won’t come into production anyway for the next several years. Although politicians might be running around like headless chickens, widespread protests are really not in sight yet, apart from what we had in Czech Republic – which already stopped I think. And to repeat myself: There IS some gas, just not enough to keep up current demand 100%, but probably 70% to 80% – and then this is not total primary energy to Europe or Germany. So when 10% of energy consumption must be cut somewhere, this is bad news for the… Read more »
@NNN1 My foggy cristal ball told me both pipelines won’t come into production anyway for the next several years. most likely… remember the GOAL is to kill the EU’s (really germany’s) industrial capacity… AND their ability to even feed themselves… sooo, have a plan (get as much in place as possible right NOW!… don’t wait til next spring…) to plant as many potatoes next year as is possible… given how much land you have (and access to seed potatoes)… calories are calories… and potatoes are calorically dense… some squash, beans and corn wouldn’t hurt you either…lol Although politicians might be… Read more »
Update on the 24 year old who came to dinner – or rather my wife’s reaction to her. Yesterday my wife dropped the kids to school early and came home and got into bed naked with me and initiated sex (this happens fairly often and is not that unusual). But this time, we were chatting a bit just as she undressed and got into bed and I was waking up. Then literally the last thing she said after getting into bed and before we got down to it, was (casual voice): Her: “Oh, by the way, any news from that… Read more »
Once you see it
Women act just like gobsmacked beta males when they are hot for a guy.
Where do you get this 10% idea from?
Its a much bigger cut than that
FR Not much to mention from last Sunday – there were more men than women dancing and there weren’t any women that I was particularly interested in so I mostly just caught up w/ my friends between a few dances here & there. Before, my success criteria was dancing the entire time and now I’m being more selective while time boxing my time at the venue and working towards shifting my mindset to see myself as the prize instead of the women I’m attracted to as the prize. Went out again on Tuesday to a different place and it was… Read more »
@Palma The wholesale share of Natural Gas in Germany for primary energy was 27% in 2021. Here is a short link to the German EPA, probably Google translate would work: https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/daten/energie/primaerenergieverbrauch#primarenergieverbrauch-nach-energietragern Russian imports made about 30% of that Natural Gas. Keep in mind I here did not mention Oil imports, but only gas. So 30% of 27% is 8.1% – which is even short of 10%. Saving 10 % doesn’t sound like a lot, still it is quite hustle to get there. Considering other imports have been increased (although far from enough to replace what we lost in the first… Read more »
Catchers She’s either too naive to understand the scene for what it is or in denial while looking to cultivate new opportunities and feel attractive. Errr. No. Please google plausible deniability. She knows what’s up but can’t be too aggressive, she tells you about her husband so she can absolve herself of any responsibility. She’s saying she is available. Seems like her ego won’t allow her to reach out and is trying to manufacture an interaction between us. Thoughts? Not ego. Don’t think about this with dog logic. She’s putting herself in a situation where it can happen. And she’d… Read more »
@Catchers – you need a plan and you need to execute on the plan. It’s like that Felix Dennis book Sentient and Palma. If you want to get rich, you have to focus on rich (ie, wealthy) – not famous, not powerful, not changing the world – rich – and move single mindedly towards that goal. Same with what you are doing. When I read your FRs, the impression I get is you want to go out, dance, meet some people, enjoy some female company and validation/attention and go home. Unsurprisingly, that is exactly what happens. You need to be… Read more »
@CatchersIndifference FR Not much to mention from last Sunday – there were more men than women dancing and there weren’t any women that I was particularly interested in so I mostly just caught up w/ my friends between a few dances here & there. Before, my success criteria was dancing the entire time and now I’m being more selective while time boxing my time at the venue and working towards shifting my mindset to see myself as the prize instead of the women I’m attracted to as the prize. great!… and what is the logical outcome for THAT in an… Read more »
@OldTimePoster Same with what you are doing. When I read your FRs, the impression I get is you want to go out, dance, meet some people, enjoy some female company and validation/attention and go home. Unsurprisingly, that is exactly what happens. You need to be clear on your goals and then you need to execute a plan to reach that specific goal. Don’t drift along like you’re doing. There were at least 3 women in the last couple of FRs you could easily have slept with the same night – they were basically throwing themselves at you. Why didn’t you… Read more »
@CatchersIndifference Before, my success criteria was dancing the entire time and now I’m being more selective while time boxing my time at the venue and working towards shifting my mindset to see myself as the prize instead of the women I’m attracted to as the prize. great!… and what is the logical outcome for THAT in an intersexual dynamic encounter?… in evo/bio/psych terms?… At first glance I don’t know and could use some help. My guess is, if I’m focused on what I want then I’ll stop wasting time doing things that aren’t aligned with my interests like dancing with… Read more »
@Catchers I’m not getting into this in depth bc you’ve already got a lot of horsepower in your corner who have more than got it covered, and if you stick with it you’ll eventually see the light; which you’re just not seeing right now. Just a few points see how far we go that night Who is in control of that? high value men Where did you get that term from? Define high value.. for yourself more than me.. Part of the problem is if I ran through the women in the dancing scene I would most assuredly see them… Read more »
Catchers This is not a place where women in committed relationships come to remain committed. Right. “They don’t come on the lot lest they want to buy! You think they come in to get out of the rain?” So… that is your default mindset. They all want it, every single one out there at the dance hall. 💃 are you going to give it to them? And no more of this making excuses for them. She’s either too naive to understand the scene for what it is or in denial while looking to cultivate new opportunities and feel attractive. Plus… Read more »
I have something to add to the husband thing, but before that, I got N=17 some days ago. It was an overweight woman from the other dating app. Many lessons learned… One of which is to ask for better photos before inviting over. On the plus side (or should I say, plus size! Got to have a sense of humor…) I got her to pretty much deliver herself to my doorstep; I got extra practice with the squirting technique. I did manage to get it up when she blew me for a bit, but lost it after a bit of… Read more »
More lessons learned: It isn’t worth it for me to just have an extra N.
You’ve crossed the rubicon between the have’s and the have not’s
90% of men never get there – congratulations!!
The mentioning the husband thing with Catchers made me think back to a recent situation I didn’t write about. I was gaming a girl from my social circle (the same social circle as N=3, they know each other) in a situation where N=3 wasn’t around, another girl, target J (and her bf) were around, and this target A. Target J was probably sending me some IOIs as well as her relationship with the bf was falling apart (they were passing by and it lasted maybe 1 more week after they left my location). Target J is super hot (probably an… Read more »
Huge difference between getting #s up and finding and getting a wife and children, like @CatchersIndifference. Red Pill is ephemeral. And transitory. Best advice for Catchers’ is to look into Married Red Pill. Including the so called side bar at Married Red Pill reddit if it is still available. I think the reddit forum has gone to shit. I haven’t checked in a while. And Subscribe to a red pill maven (A person who has special knowledge or experience; an expert. A self-styled expert in a given field.) called Rian Stone. Find him on Youtube. And perhaps his newsletter. Or… Read more »
Married Red Pill sidebar books and links: https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/ Course Prerequisites No More Mr Nice Guy, Robert Glover Married Man Sex Life Primer, Athol Kay When I Say No, I Feel Guilty, M. Smith Red Pill 101: The Rational Male, Year One, Rollo Tomassi and the book The Mindful Attraction Plan, Athol Kay The Sixteen Commandments of Poon The Book of Pook- Online The Book of Pook Free Audio Version The Red Pill Sidebar “I get it!” “No, you really don’t.” – Triadis3 Graduate Level The Way of the Superior Man, David Deida or audio (recommended by vets over print) The… Read more »
@CatchersIndifference Before, my success criteria was dancing the entire time and now I’m being more selective while time boxing my time at the venue and working towards shifting my mindset to see myself as the prize instead of the women I’m attracted to as the prize. “great!… and what is the logical outcome for THAT in an intersexual dynamic encounter?… in evo/bio/psych terms?…” At first glance I don’t know and could use some help. that’s the FI pushing on you again… AF is ‘a couple of minutes behind that bush over there’… = desire secs… with NO provisioning… BB is… Read more »
@Catchers For a bit of fun there are these two imaginary guys: First one is 34, he’s been good with women all his life, he has an N count of well over 100, but is blue pill. He wakes up one morning after a night out and decides that he wants a family but he doesn’t have a gf. It’s relatively easy for him to pull a woman who he thinks is a “decent woman” and he thinks he loves her, and she’s age appropriate and all that stuff and so he marries her and she gets pregnant. She’s the… Read more »
@Palma So catchers… What’s your opinion of those two imaginary guys? How real do you think those scenarios are, and which guy would you rather be? My opinion is that these are both you in different stages of your life and I appreciate you sharing your story with us. It’s plain as day that I’d take option 2 in a heartbeat and to be honest the description of the simpler life is very alluring & comforting because I essentially live the same way – just without the pregnant 25yr old partner that’s in love with me. I can see why… Read more »
“late 20’s / early thirties”
Beware. Early 30s are already epiphany phase. Pay close attention and you will already notice the difference between mid 20s and these. It is just not as stark as mid 30s, late 30s. It is gradual and will vary with the individual woman, but it is there.
@CatchersIndifference Oh, I’m definitely giving myself reasons not to close – make no mistake. There is some regret mixed in there around why I didn’t sleep with the last couple of women I’ve interacted with because I’m still logging all of the key moments in interactions (while they’re happening) to gauge their progression but not escalating unless I see long-term potential. really feel that FI hand on your shoulder… this is a BP paradox… you can get to AF desire secs after starting out BB…BUT it is MUCH harder… and requires MORE game to change from BB attraction secs to… Read more »
Catchers Not a pile on 🙂 First – take this in… it explains just about everything that’s important in how the world works in this life. First prize is a new Cadillac, second prize is a set of steak knives, third prize is, you’re fired… Where did you get that term from? Define high value.. for yourself more than me.. A high value man exhibits the traits of someone that women would want to procreate with at a basic level. I know why HABD asked you this, and why you answered it like this… Because an answer like ” a… Read more »
Catchers – you are getting great advice but I just wanted to add a couple of quick points which may help make things clearer (I hope): Although AF/BB are mutually exclusive (at any given point in time) from a girl’s perspective, from YOUR perspective, the best way to get to a loving family/wife/kids/picket fences/suburban dream (which is a great goal btw – it’s a fantastic feeling when I get home from work and the kids run up to give me a hug and my wife has dinner on the table), is to get really good at being the AF, having… Read more »
Oh and Catchers – one other anecdote which reset my mindset even more than the 18 minute lay – a couple of years before the 18 min lay, when I was a LOT less experienced, I got my first true “desire sex” – the details aren’t important, but a decently attractive HB7, met online, 1 hour in a bar and she was draped all over me, and for the first time in my life I saw enough small IOIs to really push the escalation like in the Reddit stories and got her into the restroom and she pretty much pounced… Read more »
Good stuff OTP…
Or in other words – you need to go THROUGH the “sleeping with lots of girls quickly” stage and not skip it by telling yourself “I will only go for girls I see a long term future with” – you only get to do that when you come out of the other side with the skills you need.
That was my experience…
“Ya want to work here… CLOSE!”
“I can go out there TONIGHT, make myself fifteen thousand dollars! TONIGHT! In two hours… can you?”
One more – see The Gambler… get yourself to a Fuck You position
and pay attention to the lyrics!
I’m The King Of My Own Land
Facing Tempests Of Dust, I’ll Fight Until The End
Creatures Of My Dreams Raise Up And Dance With Me!
Now And Forever, I’m Your King!
From “female dating strategy” Reddit: What is a high value man? There’s been a lot of miscommunication about what constitutes a high value man. A lot of useless men think they’re high value because they just assume they should be and so act entitled to sex, attention and care from a woman. A common misconception is that while women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. The main, important caveat here is that while most women actually are the gatekeepers of sex due to women’s inherent sexual attractiveness, a lot of men aren’t gatekeepers of commitment.… Read more »
@Catchers Your toes are over the edge of that same cliff that 34 yo ^^ had his over 20 years ago, and it’s a nasty fall. This is how bad it can get, this is the letter to the court written by that guys son: https://imgur.com/a/ITc0MTE (@HABD / Sentient… feel free to comment on the letter, it’d be interesting to get your take..) Step back, it really is a cliff edge.. that means that my advice (which you haven’t asked for) is stop dating women with the objective of having a family. That approach will blind you. I asked what… Read more »
An old but a goody thread
Palma Great advice for Catchers. On the letter, we keep it real here… Actually it looks like something a son of a hard headed prick would write. Apples and trees. 🍎 🌳 So you should feel proud on that level. No early teen boy wants to be in the middle of a shit storm and they will flow to the easiest path. O$ten that path is sitting home, being online. I’ve seen that with my own son at times, and his friends. They are spoiled and lazy in way we won’t ever understand. So here, between the hassle of travel,… Read more »
LOL@ the “female dating strategy” subreddit FAQ. Why don’t they cut out all the waffle say and say “we want a provider because the women writing this FAQ are over 30 and have rationalized away the choices we made in our 20s”?
@PalmaSailor re the letter… +1 on what @Sentient said… but also, there was obviously coaching/dictation involved… probably by mom… with step-dad chiming in… ‘bottom of my heart’… and when was the last time you heard a teen boy use the word ‘amazing family’ on his own…lol and the term ’emotional blackmail’ isn’t something kids recognize until they are older… they get the concept, but to label it as such in situ is generally outside of their thought process… kids are usually even more solipsistic than girls…lol… and that is a third person concept… and how is the russian going?… if… Read more »
Don’t talk about the mother and don’t blame the son
this is still the best distillation of RP for post-divorce dads i’ve seen…
Just for the record, 50% odd of what he’d said about me wasn’t true; for instance I’d never offered him a motorbike, as if… I’d nearly killed myself on one so that was never gonna happen. I’m sure it was in his head, but it wasn’t put there by me. And on the travelling thing, he loved it. Until he was told he didn’t, and he shouldn’t do it because it was “too dangerous to travel on a train”. But there we are. That’s one of the consequences of being blue pill and marrying the wrong woman. You don’t actually… Read more »
I’m sure it was in his head, but it wasn’t put there by me.
It was likely mom…
“Your father told me that…blah, blah…motorbike…blah…blah…but that’s just emotional blackmail…and you’re too smart to fall for that (with the emotional to threat in place)…”
Anyway, what’s happened to @Catchers and @NNN1?
what’s happened to @Catchers and @NNN1? Back home again since Friday, had a little birthday party, super fun and stuff with only very good friends – 4 of which stayed the night. Still a lot of jetlag + need to travel to the north for a family event up to Sunday and will see what’s gonna happen. Plus a lot to do, university starting next week, cider apples are ripe and should be harvested. At least when university starts opportunities should ramp up and I think there might be some while heading for the family event. On the flight home… Read more »
I saw the Secretary of State’s recent announcement that there will soon be sanctions/blacklists for those who provide “political or economic” support to Putin, including those “outside Russia”, so we’re rapidly heading into “you’re breaking the law if you say that war against Putin is a bad idea” territory in the West..
@OTP Could also be focused mainly on comapnies from 3rd party states, e.g. South Africa and/or the BRICS+ states. So when their companies want to do business with US (and the EU will be talked into doing the same) companies, they must not make any business with Russia – or just allow anything like that. This is what everything points to in the medium term for US foreign politics: Either you follow our containment policy or we’ll contain you… Now, when enough protest it (like OPEC just did), this will fail. But it might work as well, anyway escalating the… Read more »
@NNN1 – hahaha. Was that speech by who I think it was?