Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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Morpheus
1 month ago

FWIW, Palma, Sentient And Sentient looking forward to your comments you alluded to, maybe this below is related So I have one really super close female friend, I actually think it is valuable to have at least one woman play that role, and have it be someone you are not sexually involved with so you don’t even care about killing attraction and can actually be more open and less guarded. That said, there is some sexual tension with BFF but she plays it very coy when we tease and have sexual banter, because of her schedule we’ve been unable to… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

Morpheus, paragraphs are your friend. Use them.

Morpheus
1 month ago

Morpheus, paragraphs are your friend. Use them.

LOL…I was on my phone, and just got lazy…will do.

BTW, anyone else having problems connecting into WordPress from here…won’t let me connect

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

Pandemic stuff
Trump talked about a tri-state quarantine – Conn., NY. and NJ. Cuomo squawked, I dunno where it’s at now. But it could work. There’s a plan…

Morpheus
1 month ago

Palma 5kids!! Mental issues? Dafuq you doing? LOL….I know…what can I say, relationship with High School girl ended last April and this Paralegal woman was end of September, I hadn’t been laid at all in the in between time, and I thought this was going to be super easy….she came out of the gate super strong “I think you are really handsome, I am excited to meet you, blah, blah”…High School girl who set us up led me to believe she probably could be an easy fuckbuddy which obviously was not the case. Relying on your height will not get… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

FWIW, this was from Paralegal Woman VERY EARLY on in our conversation….now we all know women do NOT always mean what they say, but in this case maybe she was looking for Beta Bux aka “serious relationship” and thought I might meet the criteria, I don’t know what High School girl told her about me upfront

https://imgur.com/a/w2zmT3D

“Damn ass mess” was mutual acquaintance 2.

Morpheus
1 month ago

@Blax “Why not a second bang at a bare minimum?” Blax, there is an absolute ton to unpack and address in your post…I’m a big believer that the devil is in the details, not high level macro concepts…so here you go…this is much of the text exchange with her, feel free to address or point out anything specific that I said that was a mistake or could haven done better. https://imgur.com/a/Bnu7eqa Keep in mind with the sex, she actually had her hand on my cock and put it in her…I actually was surprised and it was unexpected. Truthfully, I think… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

Bc she didn’t want to fuck him in the first place. It was all about resource lockdown. Palma, I’m genuinely curious how what you think what you say here jibes with the text exchange I posted. Do you think it was 100% resource lockdown and her comments were just a pretend “sales job” to me? FWIW, just being honest, at the point in time when she put my cock inside her to my great surprise, she was literally dripping wet, not sure a woman can fake that, but that doesn’t necessarily negate that she was first and foremost looking for… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

Morpheus is an “in between”. He has “tells” and that leads to those getting sussed out. More on this tomorrow and his solution – which is to pump up the Alpha, and really mean it.

Like I said, I really am looking forward to your thoughts here, I suspect you are right. I WANT these women to see me as “fuckboi” with no long-term potential, but I suspect somewhere along the lines I am sending “boyfriend material” instead, and then when they get more info they kick me out of the latter category and then I am neither.

Morpheus
1 month ago

Why the fuck did you get involved in all that shit by text… Not sure I follow….but… No one seems to actually talk on the phone anymore, chicks think it is weird to actually talk on the phone When I sensed she was getting really “weird” after the sex, turning into a chaste nun after presenting as a sexpot the first couple weeks, and also me starting to think she might be a little crazy, I wanted firm documentation that she had been an enthusiastic willing participant in the sex just in case by some bizarre chance it became necessary.… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

Palma, Woman 2 was a Bumble match, she had worked as a nurse for many years, and went back and got an MBA and she was working as an “executive” for some healthcare company…my best guess is some middle management position…I’m Game aware enough to know that talking about JOB stuff on a date is typical BETA BORING conversation, so we didn’t discuss it much at all on Date 1. She was a health and fitness nut like me so we talked a lot about healthy living. I think she was impressed by my knowledge on the subject which in… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

That was a hard Beta tell which pinged her “regret” button. She’d wanted to bang you because she’d presumed Alpha bc height and other stuff but the minute you backtracked she sensed beta so shit tested for that. OK, I hear ya…BUT…she got weird on me BEFORE I even brought anything up in text regarding our encounter…I just noticed that after we had sex, she wasn’t responding to ANY of my sexual banter like she had the first couple weeks. Maybe it was a mistake to bring it up as a detailed discussion but like I said I noticed the… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

“Loads and loads to unpack and When @Sentient wakes up I’m sure he’ll chip in on the previous after spitting out his Covefee”

Palma, thanks some good stuff there for me to think about. I think one of my “problems” is alot of my previous bangs have come from women who were pretty aggressive, so I’m dropping the ball with the ones where I really need to take the lead to make it happen.

Morpheus
1 month ago

Palma,

BTW, how are you doing? If you haven’t already, up your Vitamin C, Zinc (either supplement, sardines, oysters), and Selenium (2-3 Brazil nuts). I just read an article that people with COVID in China are getting megadoses of Vitamin C with positive results

Morpheus
1 month ago

FWIW, here are parts of the text exchange with Woman 2 – Executive, again putting this up if for feedback if there are any obvious spots I went way wrong https://imgur.com/a/GZt4dBD My thought process was I wanted to sexualize the tone hence asking what her favorite bodypart was plus it gives me excuse to send a pic. When she asked the job question, I wanted to give quick answer and move it along without getting into details about my work history the last couple of years, and why I am doing what I am doing. I bailed on her suggestion… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

Since reading Morpheus comments, I have pondered. Lifelong, there have only been a handful of women that have inquired about my ” work status “/ earnings or financial status, for provisioning. Blax, LOL, don’t know what to say. Since breaking up with High School Girl last April and resuming SOD dating in July, I’ve probably been on dates with around 15 women…I don’t think I have had a single one who has NOT poked into my job status or history with all basically the same thing “why is a guy with your educational background driving Uber? Then I do the… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

Imo, the answer for older men is the same as it is for younger men, tighten your game/Game and get the numbers thing on track. Sex isn’t about dating, it’s about sex. Dating for sex is in the feminine frame. I mean, you can grab a bite or get coffee or drinks, but not in the form of an official date. Eat when hunvry, drink when thirsty. She can come along. FWIW, I never use the term “Date”…I always just say let’s meet up at place X for drinks. Now whatever term you want to use, functionally it is a… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
1 month ago

Lots to take in here. Thank you everyone. I took a few days, partly to absorb everything but also because I wanted to take the first actions towards “integration” and tell my wife what I thought about her potential job before I actually posted again (more below). I have some points to address in this discussion now but once that is done, I’m going to take Sentient’s advice and take a break and come back with a new username after a while – in a few weeks or months, but I think all the regulars will know who I am… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus Damn man… On one hand you made this really easy, on the other hand… really hard with all the follow on detail. I was going to come back to you with a couple of key points… The “tells” from your first post: “She messaged me under 10 seconds when I told acquaintance show her my pic and let me know what she thinks.” This pinged hard for thirst* and **transactional , i.e. beta frame… Those are your two biggest issues, helped with an ample dose of dog logic and perhaps a touch of Donovan-esque androphilia… (kinda kidding. kinda 😉… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Palma / Morpheus Should have just fronted it if you’re broke and said you’re a starving artist working on your novel and doing bar work to make ends meet. This. 100%. Morpheus, it’s Alpha Fucks or Beta Bucks… It there is any doubt, there is no doubt right? Morpheus is not BF material. If you weren’t so thirsty and transactional you wouldn’t care about being guarded or open and blowing your chances… You would present from before first contact as Alpha. And set that frame from the first interaction. So with the 3 times married with five kids from different… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus Date 2 was a movie near her place…I know, I know bad choice for date was she was ABSOLUTELY FUCKING Insistent she wanted to see that Oscar winning movie Parasite (what a fucking weird movie). By the time we got back to her place it was like 1:40 AM, I asked on the ride home if she wanted me to “come up and hang out for awhile” and she was like Nah, I have to get to sleep for an early morning at work. LOL. This is the Alpha Beast? Jeez man. she was ABSOLUTELY FUCKING Insistent Yeah ya… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

Sentient, Appreciate the response…going to ponder over your feedback. I do have a couple of questions and they are genuine not meant to be argumentative. So just a little background, High School Girl and I had remained “friends” post break up, and continued to talk…I think she was trying to get me back into the relationship under strictly her terms and playing games with me. Anyways, we were on the phone one night mid September, and out of the blue she says, “Hey, I know someone that would be good for you to date, Paralegal girl”…I say “Hey, I’ve seen… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus

Wow

This https://imgur.com/a/GZt4dBD

Is just terrible. I’ll need to circle back.

Look don’t be put off if you think these comments are harsh. You really do need to understand the baseline and you can go very very far from here if you decide to Do The Work(tm)

Morpheus
1 month ago

Date 2 was a movie near her place…I know, I know bad choice for date was she was ABSOLUTELY FUCKING Insistent she wanted to see that Oscar winning movie Parasite (what a fucking weird movie). By the time we got back to her place it was like 1:40 AM, I asked on the ride home if she wanted me to “come up and hang out for awhile” and she was like Nah, I have to get to sleep for an early morning at work. LOL. This is the Alpha Beast? Jeez man. OK, got it. I ran the wrong route.… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus So, and maybe I’m coming at this from the wrong initial frame, but my thought is why even pursue anything at all from even the start with a woman who does NOT find me physically attractive How about because you find HER attractive and want to bang her? I’ve got dark hair and dark eyes, not blonde hair and blue eyes) Paging Jack Donovan… with pretty much all women I’ve dated or hooked up with at all, I can’t think of a single instance where once I kind of asked them about it, they did NOT say, “Yeah, I… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus

Give me the alternative plays I should have ran that would have resulted in completions and yardage.

See link to MM. See advise to really really really read it. We are at this stage:

[Hey maybe you can bring this move over? And wax her car!!!]

Why? Because I was super pissed at High School girl and lost emotional control.

Ummm. Because you thought it mattered? That she HAD to be corrected. That this would CHANGE anything? That you could not NOT do it…? lolzlolz.

That is Chan worthy thinking.

Morpheus
1 month ago

Sentient, I’m going to spend some time rereading and thinking about what you’ve wrote As far as this: Ummm. Because you thought it mattered? That she HAD to be corrected. That this would CHANGE anything? That you could not NOT do it…? lolzlolz. That is Chan worthy thinking. You’ve never lost your temper and said or did something counterproductive or that didn’t make sense? Like I said, I lost emotional control. Maybe I haven’t reached the Zen level mastery of emotional control yet, but I’m a human and yes I get angry and lose my temper occasionally. I suppose it… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@Morpheus not a lot of time, but @PalmaSailor did ask…lol (glad you are feeling better!… and i had my bullets polished up 2 weeks ago!…lol) Sentient, I hear ya… But there is no amount of Game that would have salvaged a couple recent women… Both mid 40s and probably looking for Beta Bux Round 2, both were divorces, one three times. and this didn’t cause you any red flags?…lol Woman 1 was a set up from a mutual acquaintance. and you don’t think those two talked about who/what you had to ‘offer’ to woman 1?…lol… how does the mutual acquaintance… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

Look don’t be put off if you think these comments are harsh. No worries, I realize you are trying to help. I wouldn’t have posted the text exchanges and the detailed descriptions of the dates if I didn’t want honest feedback. I’m going to sit down and read MM since I have plenty of time with the quarantine..thanks for the link. That said, using some business terminology I’m asking for stuff that is ACTIONABLE, not just hey you fucking Game Retard you fucked up royally and then nothing more to add beyond that. I’ll admit I don’t get the obscure… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus I’m asking for stuff that is ACTIONABLE, not just hey you fucking Game Retard you fucked up royally and then nothing more to add beyond that. Heh… I’ve given you a TON of actionable stuff… starting with questioning YOUR frame and assumptions n a number of things. But hey I get it. This is too meta or too introspective… You just want some magik texts to spit at that next 47YO so you can bang her on the third date. But it’s cool she split that costs… 😉 This is because you want to preserve four decades of ego… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus

I recommend watching this before cracking open the pdf.

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@Morpheus Palma, Woman 1 was a paralegal… I was able to suss out she was just barely making ends meet as she had recently moved to cheaper apt plus she ended up telling me she was looking for side gig on Saturdays. She was 47, looked really good FOR 47, youthful face, nice big tits. 5 kids, 3 kids early 20s with #1, and 2 kids I think 9 and 11 with either #2 or #3 WHICH SHE DID NOT HAVE CUSTODY OF which I knew was a major red flag. Red flags of mental issues were everywhere but I… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@Morpheus So I have one really super close female friend, I actually think it is valuable to have at least one woman play that role, and have it be someone you are not sexually involved with so you don’t even care about killing attraction and can actually be more open and less guarded. That said, there is some sexual tension with BFF but she plays it very coy when we tease and have sexual banter, because of her schedule we’ve been unable to meet in person for awhile and obviously quarantine takes that off the table. Anyways, had an interesting… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

Thks Sentient, I will watch that first then read the pdf you linked. Heh… I’ve given you a TON of actionable stuff… starting with questioning YOUR frame and assumptions n a number of things. But hey I get it. This is too meta or too introspective… You just want some magik texts to spit at that next 47YO so you can bang her on the third date. But it’s cool she split that costs</> I’m a reader and ponderer, I’m going to have to reread your posts a number of times I think to fully digest them…that said no, not… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

Thank you for the virtual cookie ROTFLMAO!

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@Morpheus

you are getting great advice… just one high level macro concept…lol… kind of a theme…

So yeah, bullet dodged there I think

whose frame is this?…

good luck!

Morpheus
1 month ago

how does it feel to be a girl’s plan b?…

If that is what I am to her, when does she plan on engaging this plan B? It’s been a number of years now we’ve had this dynamic, is she going to engage me as plan B when we are both 85 and ready to croak? What would I be her plan B for? She knows I don’t have shit in terms of resources.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus I’m assuming you played sports or are a sports fan especially football or basketball and are familar with the concept of a film session…they aren’t just going over high level basketball and football concepts, they are telling the corner, hey when the receiver broke this way, and the quarterback passed on his first checkdown, you should have specifically done this. Oh I got the reference, don’t worry. You are not the only jock here either… It’s just that from where you are, you are running routes when you should be rolling picks… A different game entirely… [i.e. if you… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@Morpheus lol… i’m just cherry picking now… but i hope it can re-enforce the point… Why? Because I was super pissed at High School girl and lost emotional control. Paralegal got really, really, really fucking nasty in her last few texts, and her lunatic voice message filled with low blows. She threw a few really nasty punches on some hot button items. It took every bit of emotional control I had not to respond to her with a similar level of viciousness, but I was pissed that High School girl had brought this woman into my life and she was… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@Morpheus “how does it feel to be a girl’s plan b?…” If that is what I am to her, when does she plan on engaging this plan B? It’s been a number of years now we’ve had this dynamic, is she going to engage me as plan B when we are both 85 and ready to croak? What would I be her plan B for? She knows I don’t have shit in terms of resources. stop thinking about just current money…lol… think about potential future situs… girls do this sh*t on a subconscious basis… do you provide her with validation/emotional… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

“Apart from confirming 3pm I’m not asking anything at all. It’s all statements that she has to work at and come back on if she wants.”

Thks Palma, that was helpful to read. So I really need to be cognizant of not asking questions and instead making statements, toss the word maybe in the trash when talking plans?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

Morpheus If that is what I am to her, when does she plan on engaging this plan B? It’s been a number of years now we’ve had this dynamic, is she going to engage me as plan B when we are both 85 and ready to croak? What would I be her plan B for? She knows I don’t have shit in terms of resources. Modern cars don’t really have a spare tire, they have a little thing like a rubber donut that will replace a flat tire for maybe 200 miles at 45 miles per hour. Not very fast… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

AR

“Trump talked about a tri-state quarantine – Conn., NY. and NJ. Cuomo squawked, I dunno where it’s at now. But it could work. There’s a plan…”

Not going to happen, but the cdc issued a Travel Advisory.

Trump doesn’t have the authority to quarantine an entire state or set of states in this instance. Evidently somebody explained that to him and he backed away from that unconstitutional idea.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

PalmaSailor
FWIW, women only park their plan B/C/D men with other women of a lower SMV than they are.

“I have a friend, she has a friend, she likes your picture…”

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

Blaximus
Not going to happen, but the cdc issued a Travel Advisory.

Raining on my movie nostalgia, huh? Just for that there’s a second dose of Snake Pliskin

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

Harvard researchers say that my county is at only 12% of the threshold needed to invoke social distancing:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/harvard-researchers-social-distancing-during-covid-19-may-have-to-be-turned-on-and-off-like-a-spigot/

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

Harvard researchers say that my county is at only 12% of the threshold needed to invoke social distancing:

What was once known as “misanthropy” is now socially responsible due to “social distancing”.

Morpheus
1 month ago

So for my future reference, if I ever have a woman in my social network, either friend, or someone previously dated whatever, try to set me up with another woman I should always decline because that woman is going to be some low SMV sabotage plant? Is this correct?

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

@AR:

I’ve been telling people the personalized version of that line, although I’m not sure it’s really fair to call me a misanthrope because I love mankind; it’s people I can’t stand.

IRL
IRL
1 month ago

@Morpheus I’m asking for stuff that is ACTIONABLE, not just hey you fucking Game Retard you fucked up royally and then nothing more to add beyond that. You want ACTIONABLE so here goes: Stop overcommunicating. Slow. The. Fuck. Down (should help with overcommunication). Stop with the drama and exaggerations. Don’t be so ghey about your looks. We get it, you’re olive pretty. Don’t stress this Uber gig, nothing wrong with that. Don’t talk about work with girls. Think of playful topics/routines. Don’t take non-girlfriends to cinema. Stop trading favors and nice gestures for women’s company and a flaky possibility of… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

Morpheus
So for my future reference, if I ever have a woman in my social network, either friend, or someone previously dated whatever, try to set me up with another woman I should always decline because that woman is going to be some low SMV sabotage plant? Is this correct?

Maybe. Maybe not.
It is important to learn how to read people and to bear in mind tendencies. Women tend to keep a spare man around, but NAWALT.

The real question is this: what would YOU want in that situation?

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

IRL Glad to hear you are forging ahead. I even made an effort to visit Palma on his turf and crashed at his place… cheers dude! still lol-ing at the elephant in the room Is that an actual elephant in the room? Knowing what I now know, I landed a day job, almost doubled my previous base salary, got enough security, flexibility and access to what I need to move towards my next thing. I’m nowhere near what I’d expect to have achieved at this stage in life (my savings melted quickly too), but oh well… I was still a… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

“i’M better in person”

You: “if I had a pound for every time I heard that…”

Then qualify

IRL
IRL
1 month ago

@Palma

“Chatting with your mom in another window, says you’re full of shit and I should watch out for you”

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@Morpheus So for my future reference, if I ever have a woman in my social network, either friend, or someone previously dated whatever, try to set me up with another woman I should always decline because that woman is going to be some low SMV sabotage plant? Is this correct? two questions… 1) who’s frame is this^^^?… 2) have you ever had a situ where that^^^ wasn’t true?… (ie where the girl you were being set up with WAS ‘hotter’/better/higher SMV (however you think the girls might define that) than the girl setting you up…)… use your own judgment… =… Read more »

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

Disco Dumbo.

IRL
IRL
1 month ago

@Sentient
Damn! You’ve inspired me to be a bit more gracious around here… lol

Behind every successful man is the invisible infrastructure, network, ecosystem he’s built that align most of the vectors in the right direction. You notice only when you transplant him to a new place and the first thing he does is rebuild exactly this.

Speaking of which, have you seen Undercover Billionaire? Full season available on youtube. Ignore the camera effect and other reality show simplifications. Watch how Glenn thinks.

IRL
IRL
1 month ago

@Sentient
You know things can change quickly to the upside.. no sweat.

Glenn Stearns:

disgruntledearthling
disgruntledearthling
1 month ago

I’m asking for stuff that is ACTIONABLE, not just hey you fucking Game Retard you fucked up royally and then nothing more to add beyond that.

How about just read Rollo’s best-of year 1-3 and try to understand that?

SJF
SJF
1 month ago

Hah. IRL writes about listening to mentors in regards to Morpheus shifting in the wind. It’s not about try this. It is about do this. That is recommended by the commentariat. Heh, John Mellencamp’s song Jack and Diane: “A song about a high school couple falling in love, Mellencamp wrote “Jack & Diane” as a tribute to life in the rural working class. The inspiration was his hometown of Seymour, Indiana, which had a population of about 13,000 when it was released. The song has a very nostalgic feel, but paints a picture of a couple whose best years will… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

Morpheus

I’m a stickler for saying nothing’s really changed.

Some levity from 1987 –

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

Game. Don’t leave home without it.

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@Morpheus

actionable exercise…

re texting…

go through all your texting and point to the examples of sexualized ( man v woman) vibe…

what would you change if you were a “walking hardon” ? aka a player… and note the perjorative in that concept…

good luck!

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Marquis What do you guys think? Too much dog logic? Too much hope and avoidance. You can’t negotiate your way out of this situation. I was literally thinking (while listening to her meltdown) that I would not do three more years here for the sake of her job and that I would literally walk away and get a divorce first This is the backbone she needs to see. The backbone. Not the threat of divorce, i.e. you don’t need to verbalize it. But you did need to take her options off of the table if this is what you think.… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Blax – you should weigh in on Culum’s situation with his wife wanting to stay and work in this place… Be curious to see how you would deal withthis. If you could fathom this coming up… lolzlolzolzolz

Morpheus
1 month ago

Maybe. Maybe not. It is important to learn how to read people and to bear in mind tendencies. Women tend to keep a spare man around, but NAWALT. The real question is this: what would YOU want in that situation? Is this some sort of trick question? I mean, if I were single and a female friend offered to set me up with a woman I thought was attractive, YES I would want to meet up with her, but we’ve got multiple, numerous comments in this thread all implying or alluding that this scenario is almost always some type of… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

Don’t take non-girlfriends to cinema. Before the date, I had a feeling that doing a movie for date 2 without anything really before or after was not a good idea, but I guess I let her lock me in to the idea. Truthfully, I guess I thought that just by the fact she wanted to get together again, things would progress at the end of the date. Obviously, I was wrong. So, going forward, the right move? is to always just be insistent on an alternative to doing the movie, and not let myself get sucked into doing the movie… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
1 month ago

Morpheus, even asking a woman what she likes to eat or letting her pick the restaurant is asking for a shit test,she doesn’t WANT to be in her frame!. She doesn’t want to have to LEAD the relationship! She figured out how to manipulate boys and then men before you learned how to fight them, yet she doesn’t want to have to do it. Learning your way that works for you!! WTF? PAY ATTENTION!!! Read the best of year one. not to see if you agree. more like if it is gospel. A big guy like you has been conditioned… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
1 month ago

Morpheus, it isn’t about the movies! I’ve taken a woman out for a first date in an old pickup truck with wood racks and a goodwill blanket thrown over the seat to keep her clothes clean. Took her to my favorite bar then my best steakhouse and the movie of my choice that she didn’t want to see. Then I took her back to my place and banged her on the floor mattress,. And just for fun not to be a provider or trade for sex ,it was what I wanted to do for fun and she was welcome to… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus lol. Getting to it. You did not make it easy putting the texts out of sequence and clipping off parts… Essentially it’s just you complimenting her, sending her an unsolicited pic and wheedling to see her again. But I will get to it. If someone came to me and said hey I want to specifically target my workouts to get bigger (not stronger, they are two separate goals), I wouldn’t just say “hey work out harder with the right frame of mind”, I’d say toss out everything under 5 reps, workout in the 6-15 rep regions, focus on TUT… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

lol. Getting to it. You did not make it easy putting the texts out of sequence and clipping off parts… OK thks. FWIW, Imgur seems to sometimes display the pics in random order when you add them. If it would be helpful, I could go back and add more of the texting with woman #2, but I tried to omit the stuff I thought was totally unimportant. FWIW, I’m really appreciative of any genuine advice i get intended to help. Genuine Advice = stuff I want to believe in. Yellow flag. Nah, I’m actually one of them most pragmatic, practical… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus

If it would be helpful, I could go back and add more of the texting with woman #2, but I tried to omit the stuff I thought was totally unimportant.

Yes it would be, for you to understand what we are talking about. You don’t know yet what is important and unimportant. Really, if you want to help, transcribe the texts here, in correct date order and time sequence. Much easier to go over.

Morpheus
1 month ago

So question here….after our date 2 she was headed on vacation for a week or so, part of it to go skiing. At this point, I had figured it wasn’t going anywhere and hadn’t texted in several days, and then she texted me. What was the point? I mean she could have just ghosted and never texted me anything again. Her text seemed really random.

https://imgur.com/a/Pv3YiBA

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Her text seemed really random.

Her orbiters need some chum once in a while. You bit.

The pic was the same one she sent to every guy and girl she knows… “Look at me [doing stuff]!!!”

And she gets back variations of “so pretty!” “So lucky!” “So cool!”….

Affirmations.

What does ANY of this string have to do with YOU?

Nothing. But you swim in the chum slick and take the bait.

Pure beta bucks positioning. But no bucks. And no Alpha Fucks either.

Morpheus
1 month ago

“You’d just said something to her…”

That part was from 5 days EARLIER… maybe I need to do better job of making sure time and dates are clear when I post these.

Sentient, got it, so what’s the right move… Completely ignore these type of texts?

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus Completely ignore these type of texts? For you, now? Yeah pretty much. That way at least she can think you are aloof in the absence of proof otherwise. Once you understand what IOIs are and IODs and compliance hoops and frame etc. Maybe then respond but only to something that looks like an IOI. Maybe. These texts from her are all “chase me” texts going to nowhere. Imagine what a guy with 5 women in rotation would do with those texts? Nothing. He’d wait until she was back where he could bang her and open a new thread. Spike… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

Is this some sort of trick question? I mean, if I were single and a female friend offered to set me up with a woman I thought was attractive, YES I would want to meet up with her, but we’ve got multiple, numerous comments in this thread all implying or alluding that this scenario is almost always some type of set up. So which is it? A part of the issue is “frame of reference”. Whose frame is this happening within? There is a difference between ‘female friend [1]” offers to set you up with a girl that she’s sure… Read more »

disgruntledearthling
disgruntledearthling
1 month ago

Change of topic but maybe useful… I’m bored at home so this was entertaining

Recently single so I reactivated my profile on Bumble. Got a match with a 23 yo (I’m 44 on Bumble but 60 in real life) that could have gone to her coming over if not for Corona crap…
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The conversation in text quickly went to vibrators and being tied up…

Darn that Corona shit.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Disgruntled.

Pretty awesome.

Just be aware a lot of sex workers are hitting these sites hars these days [not corona related].

Best to suss that out up front going forward.

Morpheus. What say you to this exchange?

disgruntledearthling
disgruntledearthling
1 month ago

@Sentient Heh I’ve dealt with sex workers and sugar babies before – they’re usually pretty up front about $ at the beginning. They hate having their time wasted. This one is in quarantine with her family and no matter how I tried I couldn’t pry her away. This is a new approach for me – I’m assuming the sale and being bold. She did put out a strong hint at the beginning so I’ll just have to play it out to see how far it goes before she looses interest. On another note my 22yo SB/gf packed up and left… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

Morpheus. What say you to this exchange?

Reading…paying attention…taking notes. Disgruntled, I assume you are running an unverified account, otherwise how do you pull off the phony age..my Bumble account is verified with my FB account so it looked to me like there was no way around my legit age.

So, one thing…get it off the platform and on to text ASAP?

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheous So I’m pecking through your Girl 2 texts. They are disjointed and clipped as I mentioned, I’m working with that. It’s not terribly important that you correct the sequence. It isn’t changing anything. Pay attention to the concepts. So it looks like on Feb 3 you were angling for a movie… After you sent her a pic of your arms (out of the blue?)… Note that you don’t sexualize the discussion of “male body” at all. or make it fun. or spike her emotions. Maybe you desexualize it with “eyes are the window to the soul”… Morpheus: “agree what’s… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus

get it off the platform and on to text ASAP?

This is a basic compliance hoop. About FRAME, about whop is leading this thing….

It’s not about the medium.

Read MM.

Morpheus
1 month ago

So….here is a match off Coffee meets Bagel from the other day, let’s call her Practice Girl. I wasn’t going to message Practice Girl again as frankly she doesn’t meet my physical attractiveness threshold…but let’s use her for Practice. I’ll post the entire exchange below (minus some irrelevant basketball chit chat)…I kind of think maybe where i took some wrong turns, but assuming I reopen her tomorrow, what are some suggestions: https://imgur.com/a/0ufZQqX So my first thought is maybe I asked too many irrelevant questions related to her profile? Loading...

Morpheus
1 month ago

So I’m pecking through your Girl 2 texts. They are disjointed and clipped as I mentioned, I’m working with that. It’s not terribly important that you correct the sequence. It isn’t changing anything.

Thank you! Appreciate your time, this is incredibly helpful.

YES! I AM GOING TO READ MM! I got sidetracked today with some stuff I had to get done.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus

“Let’s use her for practice”

Too late.

She set the frame and you are in it.

This is a classic example of nice guy going for comfort before attraction. Mystery has a lot to say about that.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

For Fucks sake Morpheus. Did you even read Disgruntled’s exchange? Can you see ANY differences between yours and his?

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

what are some suggestions

Don’t reopen her. Wait for her to open. Then grab the frame back.

You:” it’s cute you think these things.”

Her” what”

You: “gentlemen… 😆 I’m really not the guy to bring home to mother”

Morpheus
1 month ago

Did you even read Disgruntled’s exchange? Can you see ANY differences between yours and his?

Yes, he took the Lead vs I did NOT. She was responding to him being assertive in what he wants vs I was being more passive?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

@Morpheus

There is no “push-pull” in your text exchange. No polarity. None. You are earnestly speaking “dog” the whole time. That is a problem, She might as well be texting her co-worker or cousin.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

You are earnestly speaking “dog” the whole time. That is a problem, She might as well be texting her co-worker or cousin.

This.

The thing is Morph, she gave you some big IOIs and you blew right past them…

Same with Girl 2.

You can go far if tou can get out of your way.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus

This is the imgur below yours

https://imgur.com/gallery/vQc69vT

What lessons can you glean from this?

Morpheus
1 month ago

OK, here is an older one still in my queue, probably my hottest match since I started doing the SOD…based on the feedback so far, let’s see if I can identify my own mistakes? https://imgur.com/a/EHbVj6y My first response was Boring “dog” talk…I should have made some kind of joke with the ping pong about “playing with bouncing balls” or something like that? Should have said something Different than asking her what her favorite drink was which was tied to her profile? I bored her but she decided to give me another chance on Christmas? I bored her again with more… Read more »

Morpheus
1 month ago

Aarghhhhh, first should be last, I’m not sure why sometimes it adds them out of order

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus What do Christmas and V Day have in common? Beta provisioning days… And lonely girls. Lonely. Not horny. Check out Yareally on text game. You STILL need to learn MM and the concepts and the framework and then a load of TRM red pills on top… But this Will give you a jumpstart at least and we can avoid going over a by ch of boring road to nowhere texts in the meantime. https://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/why-yareally-need-to-learn-game/ My txt game is wicked-tight. When other guys send a lot of txts it’s just gay shit that isn’t heading anywhere. It’s like how someone… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

This is the guy, Mikey at skilledseducers whoisfield@yahoo.com

Palma you should get it and monetize it again… Sell your book along side… Sell a copy to Morpheus!

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Morpheus

And read these. If you are online dating 35 and older girls you are hitting tgis demo hard… It’s structural.

https://therationalmale.com/2012/12/19/the-epiphany-phase/

https://therationalmale.com/2017/03/15/the-epiphany-phase-revisited/

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Palma

The Yareally Archive. Put it back on a server. Sell ads to pua types etc. It gets guge search hits I’m sure.

disgruntledearthling
disgruntledearthling
1 month ago

Somehow or other WordPress isn’t working properly and I can’t expand on the read more.

Yeah expand is hosed for me too

disgruntledearthling
disgruntledearthling
1 month ago

.my Bumble account is verified with my FB account
Bumble also has a ‘login with email’ option. I don’t use FB to verify OLD accounts

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