For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQOKoCmAhCe
Be like this guy?
How anxious should one be around her?
Pussy is just pussy. 5’11”…she will be insecure about her height
Girls chase…
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DPA guys…
DPA guys treat girls like…
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRWgBYrF2O0
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Young Mr. Herrera (model, surfer, athlete – DPA urban metrosexual edition) registers low anxiety…
Dwell upon this.
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LOL
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I still encourage men to get their boys into sports… forge that attitude.
@pitbikemike This is one of many areas where I need to be better. Is it all about little routines? Yeah, but remember its not the routines themselves, its what you are doing. You could have a bomb ass routine, but have a shitty needy delivery and fuck it up, whereas a guy like HABD could read off a chocolate chip cookie recipe but do it with laser eye contact, breaking rapport tonality, and kino and majorly spike the girl. What I would focus on more than anything else is just turning everything sexual. Take all the normal things you talk… Read more »
@safespace One thing that will help your confidence a lot…try to understand how girls are feeling and what they are thinking when you approach them…one approach you might use… [you see some girls and approach them casually, head high, back straight, nose high, arms expanded, slow gait] you (cold reading): Hi, I’m Pen…I’m doing some research about girls…lessee…[point at one of them]…you!…you were feeling a little anxious and wondering if I was cool or a nerd…[point at another]…you were hoping I wasn’t gonna be boring…Ok, girls, now introduce yourselves. …and so on You’ll get answers like: “Oh, wow, you’re so… Read more »
Hank
Yareally had his non-PUA friends that he hung out with IRL and non-PUA hobbies, he just didn’t talk about them here.
Complete delusion… go read the archive. He stated numerous times his main hobby was being alone, being online, posting about PUA and that he avoided doing things with his “friends” outside of that he found it boring and energy draining.
Now… PUT. THAT COFFEE. DOWN!
Sentient
22YO, 5’11”, SI Swimsuit Edition (x2) and 400k+ Insta followers – professional model since she was 14…
How anxious should one be around her?
What Would Sentient Do?
“What else you got, tall girl?” or something else, because anxiety is just wasted energy.
@sentient @pitbikemike lol, listen up here pitbikemike. Here’s a lesson for you on OMGs you gotta watch out for. They’re awesome for giving you life stories and especially when you get to intermediate levels and want to broaden out on things beyond game, but they are shit at teaching newbies (especially sentient lol). The problem they tend to have (though not always, blax is better than most) is that they have difficulty seeing outside their own life experiences, and can’t calibrate their advice to people in different situations. They have an extreme black and white, us versus them mentality, where… Read more »
If that’s your memo in support Hank… Summary judgment looming.
@Hank You can stop the whiny shit right now. Just stop. You do you and stop trying to diss the OMG’s. And stop trying to ignore their message. You don’t want to understand that message. Guess why? Hint: It’s hard work. When you are in a hole, doesn’t hard work sound, …..well, ….kinda difficult? “But guys today don’t have those IRL dudes to talk to, and they have very very shitty mindsets.” Why is that and what can they do about it? Keep not having IRL dudes to talk to and having shitty mindsets? Not obtain a mentor that has… Read more »
@ SJF You posted this months ago. I’ve tried to incorporate it into my sons’ development with life generally, girls specifically. All this started with oldest asking me how to ask a girl out on a date. I found it wasn’t as easy for him as just asking…although he kept on with PUA, It became about process. That he understood. The PUA tips and tricks were fun and funny to try, at times anxiety ridden. I could see self-doubt, panic when approaching early on. He soon realized this isn’t about girls per se. The question became essentially “Dad, how do… Read more »
@SJF
Alot of the time you show up and don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about…….
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Re Eh… i think I may have read it here at one point, but it always felt like sound advice. Take your son to a shopping mall and offer him $10 for every number close. Sounds cheesy at first, but it’s classic conditioning. The monetary reward takes the mind off of the approach anxiety and the rejection. Take a couple of his mates as well to make it competitive. A couple afternoons of that, and I’ll bet most boys would be savages with the ladies. Was actually all prepped to try it with my young lad and his mates recently… Read more »
Fuck you Mersonia. Can you never add value here? Or just remain a dick commenter? I know what I’m talking about in my realm. If it can’t resonate with you, then good luck with that. Just because I can explain it doesn’t mean I can understand it for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoySOGlZ_U You’ve never told your narrative but I can guess it for you. And here’s an elegy for Hank and all the rudimentary newbies. Get on board guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiP-u8JPW00 I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend, You could cut ties with all the lies, that you’ve been… Read more »
“The question became essentially ‘Dad, how do I live a whole life?'” Holy fucking grail. I wish my son asked me that. That is one wise son (and partly thanks god for his mom telling him to respect his father via the church). Good job. Carry on. Much better that he asks for patriarchal mentorship than has to be lectured to for lacking youthful masculine exuberance. Love that dynamic. Life is good in the patriologist parenthood. My son is great. But I still have to get him through his latest assault rap. Toxic masculinity and all. No matter what I… Read more »
@All Thanks for the responses and shit lol!!! FR for Friday and Saturday Night: Friday Night: I went out alone from 10:30PM to 1:00AM. There were a few menial tasks I got myself to do, like asking the bartender for water, asking for time, what kind of liquor they have, etc. just to get myself into a social mood. In between doing these things I said “hey how are you tonight?” to about 10 girls. Each one of these “Hey how are you tonight?” interactions were short, no longer than 20 seconds. Surprisingly every single one of these short interactions… Read more »
@safespace – I don’t know what your overall n-count/ability to escalate on dates/get laid off online is (you seem to be decent if you’re getting numbers off Tinder). But I’ve been there, done that and I can tell you it won’t automatically fix your approaching issues. I spent like two years plus doing only online game (mostly) and I had a LOT of lays from it. It helped hugely with my mindset, sexuality, escalation, confidence, entitlement, subcomms and a whole bunch of other things, so I don’t regret it at all. But I’ve now deleted all my online dating profiles… Read more »
You young guys need to be able to see authentic confidence being modeled. Become part of a group of men where that happens. You will need to toughen up. Expect confident men to do that for you with verbal playfighting. In other words, don’t take the barbs seriously…take them as an opportunity to toughen up emotionally.
Watch the Eastwood film, “Gran Torino,” to see how this might look when grown men exchange playful barbs. If you take those barbs seriously, then you look foolish.
But you have to understand that you have to be accepted by the guys in the group before it’s Ok for you to throw barbs at them.
@Culum interesting. i suspect online game won’t help with my AA at all. However, my #1 priority is to get laid, given i’m a virgin, and i’m hoping some online game might help with my sense of entitlement, since I really don’t have any with girls, but idk. You say it helped you a little bit with entitlement, sub comms, etc. so that’s a good sign i may benefit from it. I’ve just started (like literally last week lol) using online game so if it helps benefit me just a little bit — and if it helps me get laid… Read more »
“All of these ethical systems are a total joke in this day-in-age” Honest question: With zero ethical governor, confidence in nihilism “I suspect a lot of people need a reason to live in life”, what’s getting in your way with women? I’ve haven’t met many nihilists, and the one’s I’ve met have never been Jeff Spicoli “What for?”, more at Morrissey “What’s the point?” “I don’t really think I have “low-confidence” in general. I’m pretty athletic, pretty good looking, and I do a lot of adventurous, borderline crazy shit regularly that i don’t think “confidence” or self-acceptance is a real… Read more »
@ Jeremy
Been there, he did it for free, the experience was brutal:
https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-4/#comment-186661
@Safespace – good luck. If you’re a virgin then I say go for it. Just don’t get stuck on it for 2-3 years like I did. But definitely get some lays under your belt. And I didn’t say it helped a “little” with entitlement etc – it helped a LOT. I’m very happy with my mindset and conduct and skills on a date now (there’s always room for improvement but I get consistently good results – 3 lays in 2 nights on a business trip last month for example). My point was that that entitlement and confidence only translate partially… Read more »
@Safespace Playpen: “I don’t want to practice the D-flat major scale, I just want to play the Minute Waltz at record speed.” In order to get laid you need to first do all the steps that lead to getting laid. “Go directly to laid, do not pass approach” is right out. The best musicians are the ones who, from the very beginning, enjoyed making progress, being a little better each day, and as a consequence enjoy practicing fundamental skills. “Yesterday I couldn’t find middle C. Today I can play a C chord. Tomorrow I’m going to be able to play… Read more »
@safespace Friday Night: I went out alone from 10:30PM to 1:00AM. There were a few menial tasks I got myself to do, like asking the bartender for water, asking for time, what kind of liquor they have, etc. just to get myself into a social mood. In between doing these things I said “hey how are you tonight?” to about 10 girls. Each one of these “Hey how are you tonight?” interactions were short, no longer than 20 seconds. Surprisingly every single one of these short interactions got good reactions from each girl. it shouldn’t be surprising…lol… that’s how it… Read more »
@EhIntellect “Honest question: With zero ethical governor, confidence in nihilism “I suspect a lot of people need a reason to live in life”, what’s getting in your way with women?” Easy lol its my emotions and my biological disposition, given to me by evolution and external factors. That’s why “is this morally right or wrong?” never crosses my mind, more like “shit my body and mind just doesn’t want me to do this. what the fuck?” Ethical systems/ideas can be “motivating” sure in terms of curbing human behavior, depending on how their implemented, but that has nothing to do with… Read more »
“I could be very knowledgeable of probabilities – even having a PHD in probability, having written several famous books on probability – all while having a gambling addiction.”
Yes, but you would play blackjack and poker and would not play roulette or slots.
And would be banned from the run of the mill casinos, because you win. The field of probability was actually invented to gain an advantage at the dice games of the time.
@kfg “Yes, but you would play blackjack and poker and would not play roulette or slots.” true, but lol it depends on your self-discipline. i actually know a probability professor whose done a ton of work in the field of probability yet when it comes to gambling just can’t get his head straight. it’s retardedly inconsistent. but i think its a good example that “knowing” something doesn’t translate over to actual execution of said thing lololol. there are probably better examples like, knowing the “push-pull” dynamic doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll be able to do it infield; or knowing what a… Read more »
“Ethical systems/ideas can be “motivating” sure in terms of curbing human behavior, depending on how their implemented, but that has nothing to do with their validity.” O.K. I see where you’re coming from. You see ethics as a countervailing force, a hurdle to overcome. I see it differently. I am morally bound forcing RP and PUA dynamics on my marriage and family, upping the aggression, immersing my kids. They, all benefit from it. To do less is parental malfeasance. The FI defines intersexual ethics to limit men’s sexual options. That’s the clever FI wordplay…what once was liberating is now limiting.… Read more »
@pitbikemike @SJF As expected, the OMGs prove my point once again, lol. This will be illuminating to you, mike, so pay attention. To address sjf’s comments here: stop trying to diss the OMG’s Right, dissing. Here’s what I actually said: They’re awesome for giving you life stories and especially when you get to intermediate levels and want to broaden out on things beyond game, but they are shit at teaching newbies (especially sentient lol). The problem they tend to have (though not always, blax is better than most) is that they have difficulty seeing outside their own life experiences, and… Read more »
@Hank – Just quickly. I thought i’d mention since you spoke about the ‘re-framing’ approaching and making a game out of it, seeing who can get the worst rejection etc. It’s actually something i’ve already kind of started doing in a way. Partly as a way of feeling less awkward about always getting rejected in front of my friends who think i’m wasting my time to trying to get laid in the UK from cold approach (it seems as though everyone here only gets laid through tinder and social circle) What i’ve started doing is when I meet my friends… Read more »
@Eh… that is awesome! Just read the FR. you’re a fucking great dad to do this with your spawn. He’s going to turn out well… Tip o the hat to you.
CSP
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Thursday FR: Early in the night (8:30PM) I made a few drive by “hey how are you’s” and complements. However, I didn’t make any big approaches (i.e. I talk to a girl and all her friends in hopes it’ll lead to a Day2 or sex or just to have a conversation) at all in the beginning, which kind of stifled me for most of the night, causing me to give up more and more good opportunities. Later (around 10:00PM) I met up with some friends to escape my mental hell hole, we joked around and I got distracted from approaching… Read more »
@Safespace You can find lots of online game advice online – I haven’t seen RSD Jeffy’s Execute the Program product but I’ve heard good things about it. Blackdragon also has a rather good product and info on his blog. Also I can’t find the link but I saw quite a good RSD Madison video about Tinder on Youtube recently. But in essence keep in mind online is a huge numbers game and girls will go off your pictures much more than in real life (because they can’t judge you on anything else). So unless you’re very good looking your results… Read more »
@Culum ”although I didn’t have the experience then to lay her” Could you briefly explain what you did wrong and what would be different now that you have better game? @safespace – I’ve never had a tinder date. I’ve never had any sort of ‘date’, in fact. I think i’d be awful! I imagine it just being awkward and full of silences and stuff. For some reason I find cold approach less nerve wracking. I guess because I can just eject and plus the whole ‘vibe’ seems more lively and so it’s easier to show some charisma and be physical… Read more »
@safespace alright. I see what you mean. it looks like a good drill. it’s a great drill…lol… I tried last night between around 8:30PM and 10:30PM but i got nervous af and settled with the minimum of just saying hey + eye contact with a bunch of girls. whoa!!! stop THAT attitude (that’s the FI pushing on you…)… not kidding… there are no ‘buts’… it doesn’t matter if you are nervous af or not… and the ‘minimum’ is what you WANT… those are ‘wins’ for this drill… so treat them as such… just focus on getting your numbers in… I’ll… Read more »
@pitbikemike – oh, where do I begin? This was years ago, I wasn’t long out of my LTR and I did So many things wrong on almost every level (and it was a few months before I had even heard of the manosphere so I was going on some old memories of Mystery Method etc). Let me put it like this – basically I ran a standard blue pill dating scheme. Pretty much every part of my game is much better now, so it’s hard to pick one thing. I was basically a friendly, nice, social guy with a good… Read more »
” I’m smiling right now just writing about it.”
Nice.
@Safespace
Good luck with your Tinder Date which you are likely engaged in at this moment.
But Pro-tip: Don’t mistake the talking for the doing.
https://www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_keep_your_goals_to_yourself
https://therationalmale.com/2016/05/01/ghosts-in-the-machine/comment-page-4/#comment-154654
Safespace: “My social circle game sucks – lots of engineer nerds and people beaten down by work, problems, drugs and shit. I definitely need to work on it tbh. I’ve always been kind of a “loner”, but now its starting to bite me in my ass lol. All of these ethical systems are a total joke in this day-in-age, refuted by scientific evidence, and self-contradictions lol. So idk. I don’t mean to be combative or anything lol but there is plenty of reason for someone to want to be a nihilist, and i think a nihilists response to your quote… Read more »
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@ASDgamer “Back when I wasn’t getting laid I knew why–my rules-following, cockblocking SuperEgo–it had nothing to do with lacking confidence. Back before I knew that I was autistic. That SuperEgo is still a massive emotional obstacle to me. I can have empathy with other autistic men who have to deal with a SuperEgo. And who have no idea about leadership and lack social skills and have trouble calibrating women’s emotions.” Interesting essay I posted today in The First Female President essay. Read the full essay in my post link regarding the Alpha being controlled by his ID and his Ego… Read more »
@SJF and All!! Field Report for Friday, March 18 Holy shit! Last night was great lololllololol! I went out at 10:00PM. Between 10:00PM to 11:00PM, I did the following. I began the night by going up to a 2-set and asking: “are you Irish?” to one of them. This started a good conversation between the three of us. I didn’t push for the number though, although I probably should have. After that set I quickly moved on to other groups of girls, asking “are you irish?” and “how are you tonight?” This got me into several decent conversations. One girl… Read more »
Also, Tonight (Saturday Night) wasn’t really as good, but it was ok/
I opened 1 set. We chatted for a bit and I got the girls name and I gave her my name but that was it. I promised to talk to her later but eventually I got really tired and left. I felt tired as shit tonight lol.
Now the question becomes how to maintain Tinder girl’s interest if possible. How do ya’ll meet up with a girl again after you’ve fucked her? how is that relationship maintained or is it generally just discarded? What does a man usually do after this kind of circumstance? She texted me this morning so I guess she’s still got some interest lol. idk. i’d like her to be a fuckbuddy or something like that if possible lol.
So, interesting Friday night. Went out with my goodlooking wing (same guy I’ve mentioned before – not quite a Natural but good looking, social and can open/escalate reasonably well so tends to do well – very Blue Pill though and although he knows about Game and has watched some Youtube videos, he mostly operates on instinct). Nice guy and we get along well although he’s not available to go out as much as I’d like. Had a good night – opened a reasonable number of girls (but nowhere near as many as I wanted to – was going to try… Read more »
@Safespace – I gottta go now so only scanned your LR but congratulations! Major props for getting that monkey off your back. That’ll do amazing things for your confidence and subcomms so the future’s bright 🙂
FR Sat. Night I’m trying to figure out what was going on. I went to one country bar about 8 P.M. I saw a buddy and was sitting with him. I got up to dance a few times. One time it was a line dance. About 8:30. I almost ran into some random girls walking across the floor. I was barely able to stop. I smiled at them, then turned away, continuing to dance. One of them started to support my back, then briefly felt my butt. It happened so fast and I was trying to figure out what was… Read more »
@Safespace http://68.media.tumblr.com/b38666fe18a651c629984706177def67/tumblr_mjyx51ApF21qes1tyo1_500.gif Now you must change your name to UnSafePlayer….. LOL! Good Job! Welcome to Manhood. A casual reading of your LR would indicate that you actually followed Mystery Method quite well. In three coordinated stages. Over time. I hate to be so pedantic, but the process is a repeatable process. Attraction, comfort, seduction. I’m no PUA, but feel like pointing out a few things. (That’s what field and lay reports are for.) Notice how you were distracted by the “Are you Irish?” gambit at the beginning of the night? Distraction is a key tactic in facing a painful stimulus.… Read more »
Congrats, @Safespace. Tinder is a Godsend for lots of guys. It’s how all my friends get laid. Anyway, Ventured out to London last night. Had high hopes, but it was an awful night in terms of ‘game’. Not much of a Field Report to post really, unfortunately, since there’s just not much to mention in terms of the interactions. I opened a Canadian girl in a bar for my first approach with an opener about her checking her tinder when she was engrossed in her phone. I tried teasing her and stuff but she told me pretty quickly that she… Read more »
Safespace
“Any way, i lost my virginity on Saint Patricks day, which is great.”
This morning I woke up and felt like a boss.
Nice job Safe… Congrats and welcome. Great story and great example of determination, doing the Hard Work and leading the interaction. Naked in the rain getting condoms LOL.
Now get off porn for good and go forth and slay.
Culum
I was wondering a little bit if she was really interested in him and pretending to be interested in me with the above IOIs as a kind of beta bait/jealousy plotline thing with my wing..but I’m pretty sure it’s not that.
It was the opposite… duh…
look here how it worked!
I felt bad competing with my buddy for a girl – but just when it was too late and they were making out I changed my mind
lol
Culum
so I literally couldn’t instadate her anywhere
Like your apartment you were in front of?
Culum
Why would she be out when all the bars are closed? hmmmmmmm.
I grabbed her but she was so drunk and so hyperstimulated it was v difficult to hold on to her – like she could barely have a conversation of a word or more- constantly moving. Not sure what I could have done..
This one you decide to pull right then and there “let’s go” or not. Have to go all in right there with this or you will never get her to settle down.
@theasdgamer March 19, 2017 at 5:51 am LOL. What the hell is going on here? You are way overthinking this whole last night to the point that you aren’t keeping your own mental point of origin and Frame and you are sabotaging your enlightened Game self interests. First off, what are your goals on nights like last night? DHV?, social proof?, pre-selection?, just having fun?, enjoying good dancing?, catch-and-release?, getting laid? One of them started to support my back, then briefly felt my butt. It happened so fast and I was trying to figure out what was going on…was it… Read more »
@UnsafePlayer Just a little backtracking on my comment about Distraction. That is a short term workaround only in the early stages of mastery when getting through the stages. (Unconscious Incompetence>Conscious Incompetence>Conscious Competence>Unconscious Competence.) Obviously when you get to be more competent you won’t need that as you get “in the zone” of a performance that is congruent and authentic with your better abilities. Secondly, you might want to read Chapter 8 of Robert Glover’s ‘No More Mr. Nice Guy’ (titled Get The Sex You Want: Success Strategies For Satisfying Sex) in regards to how you will have some psychological hurdles… Read more »
@SJF This wasn’t about my MPO, but about understanding the consequences of my actions/non-actions and understanding other people…it’s about being a good courtier, which is important even if my MPO is myself. It’s about social awareness and understanding, which alphas need. I got the answers to my questions with some thought. 1) Don’t provoke envy by what seems to be bragging about women. Don’t talk about fun & cool things that women do. Not even with naturals. They can get envious, too. 2) Women flirt with fun & cool guys and it’s expected by other fun & cool guys to… Read more »
@SJF
Do you have any actionable stuff about dealing with the Superego? Knowing that alphas aren’t limited by the superego is all very interesting, but not really helpful.
@ASDGamer No, I really don’t have actionable advice on SuperEgo. That reasons for that are two-fold. One, I never had any problems not having a well balanced SuperEgo. Never had cognitive dissonance about my actions and never had to really work on it. That’s not to say that I never had a strong SuperEgo working on me. I did. But I had a super enjoyable Catholic upbringing and well balanced parents with high self esteem, that basically never helicoptered me. I found my own way with great SuperEgo role models and it never disappointed me. Two, this resulted in me… Read more »
@SJF Last night was interesting and I learned useful stuff, but I didn’t accomplish all that I set out to do. I call it a tactical victory. Yeah, I figured that you were a natural at dealing with the superego…autists typically have problems dealing with the superego. I overcame it just because a girl I wanted was very hot. Girls are into me all the time but pulling the trigger is a problem for me. There was one smoking hot girl that I could have banged a few years ago…I was in auto mating mode and dialed it back when… Read more »
“Last night was interesting and I learned useful stuff, but I didn’t accomplish all that I set out to do.” Yeah, you have to work on replacing that SuperEgo with an Autonomous Ego. http://www.mind-development.eu/ego-autonomy.html The Ego can only become truly Autonomous by overcoming the Superego. The Autonomous Ego, by and large, is free from the dictates of the Id and has outgrown the Superego. The Ego understands and integrates the energetic drives of the Id and sublimates them toward loving sexuality and creative activity. The Autonomous Ego creates his or her own moral code and relies on his or her… Read more »
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Sentient – hahaha, yeah it did occur to me that I was the target of the jealousy plotline..oh well, that’s an ego boost in itself! As for pulling the Asian girl..it did occur to me to take her to my place, but it was under 3 mins of conversation at 3am on a dark street..I just thought it was too much of a push. If it had been half an hour earlier and a couple of bars were open for the last half hour, I’d have tried that. Even if not, if it had been like the afternoon with people… Read more »
@SJF Autists are unusually sensitive to sensory stimuli. I suspect that we’re also unusually sensitive to internal stimuli, including from the superego. We have low levels of the “comfort” neurotransmitters like oxytocin, which likely explains our lack of social awareness. Otoh, we do various kinds of stimming to increase our comfort neurotransmitters, especially when we are stressed. High functioning autists develop strategies to compensate for our high sensitivity to sensory stimuli. Basically, sensory stimuli batter and bruise our ego, as does the superego, so we try to avoid relying on the ego. It’s not easy for autists to just play.… Read more »
@SJF Your strategies assume that the gamer is a neurotypical. You lack empathy for autists (of course, since you are neurotypical), so you have to rely upon reason and understanding instead of on feeling if you are going to give advice to autists. My superego can be defeated by the id, but that’s probably not a very effective strategy to employ. Maybe I can find ways of stimming to increase comfort neurotransmitters to lessen the impact of the superego. Listening to music I like helps a lot when I’m at home. Ear plugs might help with noise in clubs, but… Read more »
“You lack empathy for autists (of course, since you are neurotypical), so you have to rely upon reason and understanding instead of on feeling if you are going to give advice to autists.” Like I’ve said a bunch of times, I’m the least empathetic person I know and my alleged neurotypical pathology (non-pathology) was cultivated by me. It’s intentional on my part and a superpower for INTJ’s. (Shit, did you ever read Ayn Rand?) See I don’t even have empathy for myself, cause I dont’ need it. Don’t you try to bleed empathy to make up for your not having… Read more »
Culum You don’t have to work for it. You can accept it. This is where knowledge of game holds you back. What would a natural have done with that girl at 3 am in front of his apartment, unencumbered by sequencing algorithms? “I’m thirsty.” Hand out. “come in for a minute and have a drink”. She takes the hand and you know all you need to know. She knows what’s up. Refer to my stripper FR. Same deal. Open arms, she comes in for a hug. Take hand and lead off to room. Done. Accept that you are a sexy… Read more »
@ Safespace Wow. Great job. Wash, rinse, repeat. I gave up porn, masturbation long ago. Your sexual aggression level will spike tremendously, women sense this, in your walk and talk. Con: At first aggression can be wayward. unpredictable, in metering out. Imagine your sexual frustration two weeks back WITHOUT tossing off. Oh, in my BP workplace I gotta watch my mouth too. Pro: Easier to jump right to the sexual innuendo in conversations, lazing, kinoing, tearing panties off…no joke. My favorite line this weekend: “You pull off those heels and jeans well, honey. BTW I pull off your heels and… Read more »
@safespace great job on punching your v card… see, not so hard right?… here’s the key point… Oddly though, my heart wasn’t really racing and i wasn’t really nervous. Matter of fact, this entire time with this girl I felt really in charge and sure of myself. she feels what you feel… follow up with tinder girl… do some aftercare so she doesn’t start to feel like she wasn’t really into it… (see YaReally’s archive for ideas/theories, but meeting for coffee is always good)… and have your logistics sorted, so you can bounce her home again… but get that case… Read more »
you know all you need to get a bang is ATTRACTION, right?
HABD Culum
This. This is why SNL game is so great Culum, because you are amping capital A attraction through the roof… the sexualizing is in just recognizing that you both know what is going on “behind the eyes” and the comfort is just being cool with steering the logistics and leading. That is the comfort…
Going into deep rapport is a backwards step in this context… not what Sex Gods do… and you are a Sex God right Culum?
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“she was just DTF… but only with an alpha stud…who could handle her shit tests/bitch shield…” Not being a PUA, but I’ve been chatting all types of young women for shits, practice, fun for months, well maybe my whole life. Dozy conversations then turn them quickly sexual, straight up “You’re hot” conversations, round about conversations. I had a rather homely girl, and only that one girl, in all these months, blow me out, just go snap angry. Wow! I quickly turned my attention to her girlfriend nearby, as homely or less so, and she was receptive….at least not go immediately… Read more »
@safespace
“This set was very interesting. It kind of toughened my mind up since it was the first where the woman was actively bitchy and was actively trying to make me feel like shit lol.”
“she was just DTF… but only with an alpha stud…who could handle her shit tests/bitch shield”
“NOW you’re talking to me,*that* I like. Keep it coming baby!”
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This Field Report is something when I was just vibing and not aggressively pursuing the bang. Meet HB8 27 at Latin dance party. She’s visiting from another city, alone. I open her, standard game: neg, tease, qualify, comfort, number close. She texts me in the party; “Hi”. I text back “Hey! Long time no see, what you up to tonite?” Before I leave, I just don’t feel like inviting her out. In fact I’m just feeling down overall but pumping up my state. I go over and say “I’d ask you out for a drink but gotta work tomorrow, but… Read more »
HABD, Sentient – I understand. I should have tried to pull the Asian chick for the same reason I (eventually) decided to go for number-closing her instead of just dismissing it as not feasible. As for the club thing and my wing. I agree – I can’t keep letting him do it. I just don’t think having another conversation with him is the way forward – we’ve already seen that doesn’t work when the other wing tried it a couple of months ago. I just need to step up and compete and go for the girls and if HE brings… Read more »
@Culum. one more note to my field report. The whole idea of this woman being married was a turn off…can’t explain, just was. But…I did get a very nice note today, 2 days. It was polite but went like this: “Hi! Thanx a lot! I could spend a very nice time there. It’s getting warmer here. I hope you visit soon or to see you somewhere! Life is short. Adios!” Door’s open. Not sure how to respond. Any thoughts boys? I was just going to respond: The mysterious poet: “Dancing like you was like playing the cello. I smell your… Read more »
Life is short… It’s up to you to escalate or let her down with a benign “thanks you too”.
“The whole idea of this woman being married was a turn off…can’t explain, just was.”
Since you didn’t know who her husband was or what their story is that was most likely your survival instinct kicking in. (insert appropriate Pulp Fiction gif, or photo of OJ Simpson)
@sentient…. opted for a response that would at once tease and tingle “You dance very well….for a lawyer. Dancing with you was like playing the cello. We’ll meet again.” Plays Into a woman’s romantic fantasy without a hint of vulnerability and a tease. This is long game anyway. Was interesting to see how she replied two days after leaving. She waited for something from me. I didn’t chase. I’m now internalising so much of my game I don’t even think about it. I can feel what is alpha and what is beta . The calibration is better. Chicks want a… Read more »
@anon
I think it was my anger over my friend chasing my plate and the whole thing.
When I see her using betas to get to me it triggers an unhealthy competitive instinct.
She was well up for something. Her invitation and life is short line….no accident.
But the point was I decided not to escalate.
@ a nun
Married women are yucky!
@wala
But the point was I decided not to escalate.
Good for you. I’m on a similar path…I’m learning that it’s Ok to flirt for fun in your social circle, but don’t escalate and don’t intoxicate.
@ wala wala Great FR. I’ve been out of the scene for so long, when I’m out I’m usually just all about my fun and miss a lot. I could tighten my game substantially after reading your experience. Question for you: How tight is your dating scene? Was it coincidence that all these acquaintances were there? I’ve been paying more attention lately and only see a smattering of the same available people. When out, do you find the more available, familiar you are to others, your demand drops, your + social proof decreases? For some reason I enjoy being all… Read more »
@EhIntellect I do a mix: online, girls from my social circle and then there’s also cold approaches. I actually met a very cute 32 year old on public transport…gamed her, met up for drinks. We went out 3 times…by the third time I made clear she was coming over. I banged her. I banged her each time after that as well. The thing is by having a variety I can mix it up. I really had mixed feelings about the married one. She was so keen for an adventure….I just couldn’t escalate. But we did have such a blast and… Read more »
Ventured out to London the other night. Had high hopes, but it was an awful night in terms of ‘game’. Not much of a Field Report to post really, unfortunately, since there’s just not much to mention in terms of the interactions. I opened a Canadian girl in a bar for my first approach with an opener about her checking her tinder when she was engrossed in her phone. I tried teasing her and stuff but she told me pretty quickly that she had a fiance who was on his way. I opened another girl in a club who also… Read more »
“most of them lead lives of “quiet desperation”” Today met with dead-bedroom diamond colleague. He described his only just Grand Canyon family trip, the stress trying to accommodate the family…with his signature smile. The conversation turned to sex, as a South Beach Diet commercial hotties flashed across the lounge TV screen. Him: That’s what I’d like again. Me: It’s the simple things, isn’t it? No amount of money, trips and toys can replace it. Him: Well, EhIntellect, it’s worth waiting for. (!) Me: What if I told you I have sex with my wife every day? Sometimes twice? Occasionally thrice?… Read more »
I’ve got a real good friend I’m counseling right now who’s on the verge of a divorce (2 young kids) due to the same set of circumstances.
FR Still working through health issues. Gone one problem solved, but I still have one more symptom I have to deal with before I can seriously go out and game again. Also, to Forge, the phenibut definitely has no effect on me. Goal now is just to get back to where I was before. I’ll still be tired, but I won’t have all these other things that have popped up this year. So I just want to get back to where I was a few months ago. I **DID** however have some, not exactly a FR, but some things that… Read more »
@pitbikemike Had high hopes, but it was an awful night in terms of ‘game’. Any time you go out is a good night out. You’ve already about gotten laid. If you keep going out, you’ll get a lot better. It just might takes some time, maybe a year, maybe two, but probably a lot less. But if you keep going out you’ll get better eventually. You’re negative attitude, though, is the main thing holding you back. So always keep that in mind. I opened a Canadian girl in a bar for my first approach with an opener about her checking… Read more »
@Pitbikemike Props for going out and making the effort. “”She pointed at her friend, but I couldn’t get her to talk to me, really. I couldn’t think of a routine at the time to use after my opener. I asked her a few questions but she didn’t want to talk.”” Let’s start with this. Very common and again I know the feeling and have found a way to overcome it. First is practice….just keep doing it. Second is mindset—you have the idea you MUST keep the conversation going when in reality the opener leads to a neg–spark attraction then you… Read more »
@walawala I actually recently finished reading the mystery method. I’ve read LOTS of game books, so it’s weird having so much conflicting advice in my head. The RSD guys who I listen too a lot seem to have gone in a completely new direction where it’s all about ‘natural game’ – every one of Max’s pickups looks so different from each other that there doesn’t seem to be much structure which I guess suites me, because I hate having to think exactly where I am in teh interaction and about what line I’m supposed to use at various points, trying… Read more »
@ SJF and Novaseeker I was high on hubris and entered, exited that call recklessly. The situation didn’t bother, guilt me. In the car, I thought my comment humorously stupid, unnecessary. I have a egomaniacal immature streak, from which I have to extract myself occasionally. I’m really good when I get it, a unbelievable, stupid underdeveloped adult when not. It shows, doesn’t it? This I can defeat. “What you’re doing is sabotaging their filter, which of course will be unwelcome, never mind that they will generally be just as satisfied with a man who learns to get it ” What!?… Read more »
@Pitbike Mike I follow the steps of the Mystery Method clearly. I also follow Krauser’s date model which is a much clearer and mirror’s Mystery Method but with greater detail and tactics. Always open with a neg….a good one: You look like trouble… That always gets the girl qualifying herself. Krauser has a great methodology, watch his videos….he scripts it out in DayGame but it works in any situation. He stops the girl, explains why he stopped her “you have interesting fashion sense…” and then immediately get her qualifying…. It’s the Mystery Method enhanced. In the case of the girl… Read more »
Mike
Also, does anyone who gets results on here NOT follow the MM ‘structure’ that you know of?
All follow the same structure…
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They just use different words or don’t understand what they are doing.
Mike
What you are not getting is that MM is a model, not prescriptive steps with ready to use dialogue. Those were examples of things he was doing, not incantations or spells… The STRUCTURE is what is important, the WHY not the HOW.
Step back and take another look that is not paint by numbers…
@sentient But quite a few PUA’s open with INTEREST as opposed to DISINTEREST? Someone Like Mark Manson has a COMPLETELY different model to MM for example, no? Walawala, so for now, should I open every girl with a certain scripted open and neg and basically try to make every interaction follow a kind of script in order to get more structure? Taking the first few stages. A1 – Opener – I could just say ”Hi” and make a comment on her clothes?. or ask ”who lies more, men or women? Then she answers. A2 – DHV, Neg, Tease – DHV… Read more »