For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
Student The key to these interactions is making sure you are sexualizing. You can sexualize with demeanor, eye contact, posture, closure of space – all non verbal and non physical. Of course you can also add verbal and physical as appropriate. “Commonality” is a trap…. guys love it though. “Oh you went to Ohio State too! Wow!” or whatever. They think it is great because they can keep talking about stuff they have in common. Chodes who are attracted to pickup love it because they have an attractive girl talking to them. None of this is pick up. better to… Read more »
Student
Take a look at this old classic clip of James Marshall
[this is in NYC btw not Budapest]
This is a good example of sexualizing with tone, posture, eye contact, close space. AND by 3:33 he introduces sex…
[It’s not a great example of game… he misses a bunch of chances to move it forward by just going for the number… by not leading this someplace…]
Test, I am just test to see how this chat works. Why can I not comment of other peoples comments?
Sentient, I have the same problem with making sexual tenstion. Even if I tease and Push Pull, tell stroys and kino, I can not make end feel the sexual vibe and energi, any advice for me?
@Sentient – noted! I never had any complaints about the sex either..just in my head mostly. @studentofthegame – everything Sentient says is spot on, but I just wanted to add a couple of things Do not get sucked into the “I am Indian so it is harder for me” mentality. It’s fundamentally not true, and even if it were true (it’s not), having the thought in your head and worrying about it will damage your results far more than your ethnicity. There was a post – I think somewhere on West Indian Archie’s blog – where he pointed out that… Read more »
@Puss In Boots There are no nested comments here. You cannot reply to a specific comment inline to that comment. Any reply you post will go to the end of the full list of comments. As to your question, you really need to post a detailed FR of a few of your conversations with women (as much of the conversation as you can remember, as much detail as possible) for us to help. However, I’m willing to bet your voice/tonality and your eye contact and distance from the girl (especially eye contact/laser eyes) are not on point. Those are the… Read more »
Puss in Boots
Re problems with sexual tension.
Let’s begin at the beginning. Have you had sex?
@ Sentient Yes, I think I have good conversation skills. At least after I found pickup and Game, I developed my conversation skills. But I was never a complete social retard. I think the problem with me is that I am over sensitive to social cues, I care too much about what people think of me and this has reduced in the year and a half since I started learning about pickup but I think I am still too sensitive to what others think of me. Since, I primarily did online dating till I moved to Europe, what I got… Read more »
Culum Struan, thanks for the advice….here i a FR: sorry about my poor english. Me: Hi, you look good, hva did you eat? She: hmm burger. me: aha så this is the secret for a hot body, the reason I m aking is my little sister has a really flat ass, like a flat TV, så i call her flat TV, and she want the same curves as you:) she: haha you are so bad. me: thanks for noticing my good qualities, by the way I can see you have beautiful nails, are they real I start knio her hand)… Read more »
Sentient, hi, yes, times, but after manny dates….
Sentient, yes manny times…but after manny dates…..I can not kiss closs while pick up
@ Culum Struan I definitely agree with you. In fact, when I came here I thought it was going to be great since the city is filled with gorgeous women and it is ideal for learning and practicing Game. In my first few weeks here, I met some Indian and Asian people here who played the victim card and droned on about this city and Central and Eastern Europe being racist. That stuck in my head and I know this has been killing my vibe. Before I met these guys, I banged a white girl in my very first week… Read more »
Culum I am so happy when you’re commenting…( no homo ) ” The obvious corollary to this of course is that the image you present shouldn’t reinforce the stereotypes about your race (I seem to remember Blackdragon had a some blog posts about this covering different races of men). According to Blackdragon, white guys (in the West) are essentially “blank slates” and can define their own image. Minorities have to be careful not to reinforce the stereotypes about them – so black guys should be careful not to come across as “gangsta”, Indians should not come across as “nerdy dude… Read more »
@Blax – thank you! (blushes)! @Puss in Boots – I don’t see anything wrong with your sexualization there. I may not have done it the same way but you clearly had attraction and some level of compliance. I think mainly you just need to slow down. Even your rapport/comfort stuff felt more like attraction to me, and she clearly wasn’t ready for you to go into seduction. You CAN have superfast 10 min pulls and the like – but they involve a lot more screening for DTF girls and when you find a girl who is receptive you sexualize and… Read more »
@Culum Struan. Thanks for the feed back. It was night game in a club, but you are sying somthing instresting when you say “I think mainly you just need to slow down. Even your rapport/comfort stuff felt more like attraction to me, and she clearly wasn’t ready for you to go into seduction. I think your attraction stuff was fine but you could have more comfort and gotten her qualifying much more to you and solidified the connection (if you had, she wouldn’t have flaked on the number).” My questiois, how would you build more komfort and connection? is connection… Read more »
LR First night going out in 2019. My wing and I arrive at the first club. And immediately notice the unusual empty line. Usually at this time (11:30PM) there is a good amount of people standing on line. So this worries us. Maybe its not worth it tonight, but we take our chances anyway. In front of us are two chicks visiting from another city for the weekend. My wing opens them, as I’m not feeling talkative right now. The fact that both of them were HB6 and HB4.5s didn’t help either. I notice the HB4.5 kept looking over at… Read more »
Not sure if this is the correct place for this but…
https://www.ibtimes.com/why-prince-harry-cant-tell-meghan-markle-no-amid-royal-family-drama-2751030?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referral
If the reality is even close to how this is reported, this should be a required case study for anyone interested in inter-gender relations.
Enjoy
https://lifelessons.co/personal-development/howtonotgiveafuck/
I skimmed the field report of J. I didn’t actually pay attention. I do recall that J. fucked a girl with no condom in a bar. And then he ran like a band on the run. That sounds like fun. For a moment about sex. And a bid for validation. By others. Nothing wrong with that as a rookie. Well played. It took me a while, a long while for my red pill buddies to convince me: I’ts not all about sex. I’m almost there. (I reconstructed and fuck my wife three times a week. It’s good. I don’t need… Read more »
So, by the way, glad you are here J.
You are a good role model for a 27 year old.
We hope you are a good role model when you are 33, 35.
Good luck to you.
SJF Remember, these younger guys are on a much different timeline/schedule with life. I don’t think anybody really knows how all of this is going to shake out in the end. To me, 27 is old. It’s too old to get started kinda, but I guess guys can get a late start at life – but it’s going to be much harder for the bulk of them. But I will tell you, one thing I’ve learned over the past 10 years is that it is damn near impossible to convince a 25 year old man to actually do stuff to… Read more »
Age thing as grandpa… Blax, playing foster dad to your granddaughter is both fun and a pain. It sucks to not have time to do all the shit I would like, but priorities. I’m gaming my granddaughter like it’s nobody’s business and it’s a blast and an education. Even at less than a year, a baby girl is still a girl. Being a grandpa at 45 is a whole lot easier than at 60. And you get to see your great-grandkids. That’s a whole lot easier to see from my perspective now than it was at 22. And I got… Read more »
Society tells everyone they don’t have to grow up.
Makes better consumers.
Can’t sell $1,000 phones to <real adults trying to do shit.
I was on fire/ignited at 27. If I can do my math right, that was 1988. I had gone to a super good undergrad college. It didn’t cost so much in these days dollars. I went to med school. During my last year in med school, I accidentally left my dome light on in my car in the dead of winter in the last year of med school. I called security at the hospital to jump start my battery. I sat there for 20 minutes watching shift change on the quad. 40 nurses walked by on the way to going… Read more »
@ ASD
Awesome dude.
I can’t wait for grand kids.
Not too far away.
Palma YES!!! That’s a key point you have about energy that I forgot to include. The endless energy of youth. In my late teens and twenties, I could work 7 days a week, 12-14 hours a day ( doing all kinds of stuff ), and still bang all night without being wrecked the next day. It’s a blessing, one a man can’t appreciate until he gets older. Now I’m in a made where I have no interest at all in burning the candle at both ends. The upside to being busy when in my twenties was that I didn’t have… Read more »
He everyone here…. i wonder if you know about any gaming book ot game methond based on the red pill? The rationale male explance the theory, but what about the practice?
“He everyone here…. i wonder if you know about any gaming book ot game methond based on the red pill? The rationale male explance the theory, but what about the practice?” Manual of Seduction by Franco: How To Meet And Bed Hot Women Kindle Edition by Franco (Author) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018YAGH4A Heh, This book for men concentrates on teaching you the art of seduction and keeping women attracted to you while in a relationship. If you are a single man looking for the perfect woman, this book will help you understand women’s psychology and the steps necessary to have women interested and… Read more »
Field Report for autists; warning, some dancing is involved It’s hard for us autists to read social cues and I’ve described my own difficulties reading them. Things can get better, though, and my experience last night demonstrates that point. I arrived at my favorite bar about 11 and proceeded to do my usual of chatting up some people I know and greeting others and getting hugs from others. I danced some and was chatting with a guy when a girl I didn’t recognize came up to me and asked for a two-step dance. I asked her if we had danced… Read more »
SJF…. thank you for the answer…I will read that bokk
@ Culum Struan Thanks a ton for the advice. This conversation with you guys has been more helpful and relatable than most PUA products I have watched. I live in a Central European city which has a population of around 2 million plus a fuck ton of tourists that visit the city throughout the year, and I am not that very distinctive as there are Asian and brown people here, so I don’t think that is a problem. Despite that, I don’t generally spam approach. I have never been socially uncalibrated, in fact, if anything, my problem is that I… Read more »
Sentient and SJF thank you, the comments are much appreciated. SJF, you are spot on, she has been saying things recently like how I just “decide to do things without consulting her” and how she feels like a kid asking for my permission to put things in the calendar for herself etc, and basically she wants to be consulted more about things I decide and wants to make joint decisions and discuss things. I’m assuming this is the the “communication” ploy you’re talking about. Although this isn’t new – she has been saying this kind of thing for years, predating… Read more »
And my inner game is not very strong
It’s not your fault. (Makes you feel better, doesn’t it?) You were propagandized to believe that men are inferior to women. The bad news? It’s very hard to get rid of that femcentric programming. The good news? You CAN get rid of the programming. Now you have every opportunity to lay around being lazy and feeling sorry for yourself. Or you can get to work and improve yourself and grow the fuck up. The choice is yours.
@theasdgamer
I am not here to complain and I am very well aware that I have to take action (which I am doing btw) to get to wherever I want to be. What I am discussing on here with Culum is what I struggle with and the KIND of actions that would be best suited to overcome the issues I am facing.
If you have any suggestions in this regard, I would appreciate it.
Student, my recommendations are: 1) Know yourself; study the advantages of being a man relative to women, especially a traditional, masculine man. Muscles. Strength. Risk-taking. More energy. More stamina. Maybe more intelligent than women. Know your weaknesses and how you can improve. Remember, the easiest person to fool is yourself. Look to others to help you avoid fooling yourself even if your ego takes a blow. 2) Improve yourself. If you want help here, don’t be afraid to admit your weaknesses. Expect to receive blows and become tough. 3) Study women’s behavior. Watch their body language and facial expressions when… Read more »
Hey. Recently Red Pill aware, unfortunately in my 40’s. Thanks though. You’re right, you see it everywhere once aware. Just saw a Prudential commercial claiming: “4 out of 5 women will have to be responsible for their finances.” Ha. What a travesty.
Marquis -Even better, a couple of weeks ago we had a really good session and she came multiple times. After that she clung to me and pretty much wouldn’t let go for a while and said “that was the best sex I’ve ever had..I didn’t even know I could do that”. She was “glowing” for ages after that. Even the next day she randomly brought it up and said something like “no man has ever made me come like that before”. Keep in mind she’s saying this after we’ve been together for TEN years… Competition dynamic is very close. Very… Read more »
Marquis
And a sliver of “Fuck HIm Back Into Orbit”…
Warning to dudes who pick up girls via online dating apps only https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/off-topic/331834-for-once-i-agree-with-nwp (need to be a member to view this thread): “The natural progression of “online game only” is prostitution. Now I understand this statement, might sound controversial. Especially to the guys here, who meet women exclusively from online dating sites. And I’m also aware, that most of these guys feel they have been treated harshly, by the more game-centric guys on this forum. It’s not exactly fun to see posts belittling your process for meeting women. However, this article from BD serves as an example, of what happens… Read more »
Women and the wall…. To make the analogy between the sexual and stock markets, hitting the wall is like a stock no longer being an IPO. When the hype has died down, we can see what it is intrinsically worth. And just because the value plummets after an IPO comes back to reality, the stock can still be high quality and in high demand (possibly to a different demographic). For example, men in their 50s will gladly date a 35-year-old. This would be like Warren Buffet waiting for the IPO to settle down, and doing a more thorough investigation, and… Read more »
Certainly online game has diminishing returns and beyond a point if you want to keep getting better, you need to get with the cold approach – both because the girls are hotter IRL and because you need that skillset. But if you are a) a Pleasure of Sex guy who is more interested in plenty of regular bangs with 6s and no interest in going up the scale, then online can work once you figure out a system that works for you. Or b) Online can be useful to get used to things like how to sexualize, how to escalate,… Read more »
Tonight I went to a bar, chasing a skirt I had met previously. She had come up to me and introduced herself and let slip where she worked even though she was at this other bar with her bf. Anyway, the broad wasn’t there. No problem. I sat down at the bar next to a couple that were having fun and we ended up joking with the woman bartender. I found out that the broad was vacationing with her bf and son and that she was in her mid 20s. Maybe useful info. So, the couple leaves and I pay… Read more »
Sentient and Having A Bad Day and others I wanted to share a data point. I had sex with my wife yesterday – we had a realtor in to value our house and my wife showed her around the house while I did a short workout in the bedroom. I thought it would be amusing to not speak at all during the realtor’s visit, so I didn’t. I nodded once or twice and smiled and otherwise refused to speak which I found very funny. This is the kind of thing that normally makes my wife angry about me being rude,… Read more »
Cheers Marquis… Go forth boldly in service to your cock… You’ve left an excellent story here for other dudes… From page 1!
But wait! I thought marriage was impossible? 😁
Blax
Obvi Marquis is being divorce raped and cucked because he signed a contract with no good reason…
@The Marquis
I am beginning to really get a grip on this marriage thing.
props on this!!!
and really feel great about this bc it’s all YOUR effort that has gotten you to this point… and +1 on Sentient’s comment on your journey being a great example for any other man that wants to turn around a bad situ and have a better marriage…
good luck!
Just wanted to write this down. Back in 2017, when I first started SNL only game. I did so, because I was told by Ya (and personal experience confirmed this) that getting a girls number was useless because she’d just flake. She’d forget about all the good emotions the following day, and be like “who is this??” Of course that applies if the girl had a little to much to drink. The girls I game (sorry if this is may come off as bragging) don’t drink much (if anything besides water) and I feel they would obviously remember me. But… Read more »
@TheMarquis Congratulations. At first, your comment seemed silly on the face of it at not speaking during the realtor’s visit. But it is not. It is deeply symbolic of you keeping Frame and Mental Point of Origin. “I need to be a lot more consistent in maintaining my attitude, engaging her emotions and not her logic and beating shit tests” You are leading well and differentiating yourself from her. In the end, this benefits both of you (and the kids). Now’s not the time to use compromise, negotiation and consideration as the primary relationship tools (between the two of you)… Read more »
Hi, RedPill super-novice here. Kind of strange to say – in my early 40s, I thought I had most things figured out. I got into reading about Game because I didn’t know how to respond to a drastic drop in sexual initiative of my wife after the first kid (we have two now). The more I read the more I realized that a lot of other things were actually going the wrong way. I have on paper a good marriage. We have been together since college, common values, a lot of life together, never cheated on each other, two little… Read more »
@Rc Welcome. First of all keep asking questions. Tell us about your Red Pill resources. What have you been digesting? What have you read? Are you familiar with Married Red Pill Reddit? MRP reddit has a “sidebar” if you click on the “visit old reddit” in the top right with the silhouette and downward facing triangle. The sidebar is a bunch of reading materials. Some are foundational red pill manuscripts. Two most important are No More Mr. Nice Guy by Robert Glover and When I Say No I Feel Guilty by Manuel Smith. The latter is about how to be… Read more »
@ Rc It’s tough to wade through the manosphere and reconstruct yourself. You by your quoted infrequency of sex have put yourself into a Beta zone. It is by all means possible to recover from this by listening to other men, who by all means are “uncles” giving you memos of advice. How old are you and your wife? How old are your children. It’s time to recover. If you are a newbie: Some resources for you: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/ This is irreverent in marriage (but only in the mainstream media, not in the manosphere), but it applies to everyman. Look at… Read more »
@SJF and @palmasailor, thank you for links and advice. @palmasailor, yes, that is exactly why I posted those examples: after reading those things, I was kind of startled by how true it was. @ SFJ, I have been reading heartiste for quite some time now (about a year regularly). I arrived here via his side links. At first I found all of this amusing and like a window on something I didn’t really need – and then realized that the discussion in the manosphere was giving the more focused cut to what I was looking for. I’ve been reading most… Read more »
@Rc “I started to apply some of the things I’ve learned. I stopped initiating sex as a way of not getting into a negotiation (I try – she says no – I stop – she asks are you upset?) because I didn’t know how to end that negotiation.” Would you believe me if I told you that your wife actually wants to fuck you? At times. But she doesn’t want a weak cowering you. She wants the Strong Alpha version of you that has fortitude. She wants to fuck the strong flexible Rc who is clear about who he is… Read more »
@SJF, “When you initiate and she turns you down “nicely”, then you have to have the appearance that you have other options. Do you?” I don’t. I think part of the problem is I initiate at night when kids are already in bed and so are we (I’ve tried mornings or afternoons but she says “she’s not in the mood”); at that point in the night, what are my other options? Another part is that she has been used to think that I’m upset when she refuses, so now I need to find a way of going for another option… Read more »
Well Rc, you have certainly turned yourself into a pickle. You are in a very Beta position. But have heart. There are many resources in the manosphere to first be aware of what is all going on and then proceed to learn MRP game. It is very doable. It does take work, but it is well worth it. And don’t be afraid to observe the Beta Tells your wife will give off until you make it to higher ground. It is OK for now. Don’t beat yourself up about it. It happens. Become more resilient. https://therationalmale.com/2014/11/11/beta-tells/ One thing that is… Read more »
“She turns you down, go read some red pill stuff on the computer, have a drink, correspond via text or email with someone. Make a late night phone call to a buddy. Call your mom”.
Ya’ll…
@Rc
“I do want to report that the two times in several years where I saw my wife really desire me, were when she thought somebody was flirting with me (beta alert: I really wans’t)”.
then actually do it.
Hi Rc. Read your predicament. Sounds like you want to have more and better sex with your wife. Right? “so now I need to find a way of going for another option and still show that I’m cool with it.” You shouldn’t be cool with it but being uncool doesn’t get you a better marriage either. Any negotiation of sex is a beta tell and it’s easy enough to avoid that by doing other things, things you like to do for you, away from her. It’s quicker to the goal going emotionally ice cold on her. No joke. Really back… Read more »
“You can’t exactly go putting books like Married Man Sex Life Primer or Saving a Low Sex Marriage: A Man’s Guide to Dread, Seduction and the Long Game out and about, right?” You can if you’re all in on getting better. Oh yes, she’ll shit test that and even read some and might even throw it in the fireplace (true story) but there’s no reason to be sneaky. You want to establish your indomitable frame by unflappable conviction. You gotta say “fuck it” occasionally and let the chips fall where they may. Leaving a copy of TRM lying around will… Read more »
@RC Expand your options, even if you never plan to use them. Having options for sex or work is always a good thing. It reduces your neediness and tendency to pedestalize pussy or your job. Expanding options requires you to be around other women. You will find that your flirting skills improve and so does your confidence as you approach women, even if just to chat with them. This will change you for the better and your wife will notice that you have options and this will cause her to wonder what’s going on. More shit tests will ensue, but… Read more »
RC “at that point in the night, what are my other options?” Leave the house. Don’t storm off butt hurt. Kiss her on the head and tell her you aren’t sleepy. Then get up and get dressed and go out. Triple bonus points if you go to a bar. That’s a killer move. But at least get out of the house. Take a drive, get a coffee etc. Give her the “gift of your absence”… Her hamster is going to spin up a wild tale in your absence… And she will be super pissed…. Oh well… So ignore all her… Read more »
You can if you’re all in on getting better. Oh yes, she’ll shit test that and even read some and might even throw it in the fireplace (true story) but there’s no reason to be sneaky. You want to establish your indomitable frame by unflappable conviction. You gotta say “fuck it” occasionally and let the chips fall where they may. Leaving a copy of TRM lying around will invite shit tests. So fucking what. It’s an opportunity for Rc to smash the test like a boss and she’ll start putting out in short order to that level of IDGAF. True… Read more »
RC
Other examples
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/asshole-game-week-the-relationship-reset/
Rc, cadet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru
Who was the only one to pass this test? How did he do this?
What implications does this have for you?
Field Report: Don’t make this mistake with your baby grandchild
I’ve been doting over the baby. Without realizing it, I’ve been slipping into a feminine frame. It has had a dramatic negative impact on my sex life. I’ve since corrected that by spending a lot less time with the baby, cute as she is.
“In Rollo’s State of the Manosphere speech, he mentioned a Strength of the Manosphere as “diversity”. ”
Yeah, I heard that too and cringed a little at the litany of races mentioned.
It’s confuses unearned characteristics
as virtues.
Live by your skin color, die by your skin color.
😂
Nah.
Rollo is.correct.
He certainly wasn’t talking about race per se, although he did mention that word.
He was intending: A strength of the manosphere was about diversity of Frame, Game, intentions, skill, mastery, awareness/knowledge if inter-sexual relationships etc.
Old, young, notch count intentions, LTR game intentions, relationship game, PUA game, married, single, mentor-quality-guys, guys-that-need-a-mentor, etc.
Fair enough.
Palma
Damn… She’s gross. On the outside too.
Hi all, great to read all this discussion. Let me briefly report on one episode. One of the first things I learned in these days is the difference between withdrawing time and attention, vs. affection and presence. To avoid negotiations over sex, I think I removed both for long – involuntarily maybe being tougher than warranted (and acting butthurt as well) as @SJF was suggesting. I decided to make a change then, and being “nicer” yesterday. We had a couple of occasions when tension was about to escalate over little petty things, so I just ignored the tension and acted… Read more »
alright I messed something up and my comment didn’t appear. Hopefully this is not a double post. —- Hi all, great to read all this discussion. Let me briefly report on one episode. One of the first things I learned in these days is the difference between withdrawing time and attention, vs. affection and presence. To avoid negotiations over sex, I think I removed both for long – involuntarily maybe being tougher than warranted (and acting butthurt as well) as @SJF was suggesting. I decided to make a change then, and being “nicer” yesterday. We had a couple of occasions… Read more »
RC “What’s different is that I don’t approach.” A little more on this. Always initiate sex wh2n you want to have sex. Holding back because you fear rejection is not a good look. What you need is a) to increase attraction and b) have a way to handle the rejections in an alpha way. These interelate in a feedback loop. So increase attraction through more leadership, more focus on your mission, passing her shit tests, inspiring dread and when you do fuck, you fuck jer like you really want to… Handle the rejection by withdrawing your time and attention in… Read more »
Rollo
I had a reply to Rc which mirrors Sentient’s. But in a different way.
I got a message WordPress Jetpack timed out.
Rc’s first message got eaten and then he double tapped.
@ Sentient
100.
Good stuff, Sentient.
Agree on the Sentientaments. Keep in mind that Rc is a a newbie level. Agree it’s hard. It takes time to crawl out of the beta hole. It took me the Athol Kay timeline month for every year of marriage to do it. You can make linear progress very well at first if you stick to the script. So make your baby steps first. You can make fast progress, but then it slows without true, true intention to actually get there without Buffers. The more you open up to your buddies Rc, the more help is on the way. There… Read more »
RC, exactly like Sentient and SJF and others said.
And read Sex God Method pronto (free pdf can be found online).
And understand that it may not work out for you (Rollo’s Taking Out The Trash post), but you can still feel better and have a much better life knowing red pill. Perhaps you too will not turn around your marriage, but you’ll find woman who actually like dick.
@ Rc
“My wife notices all of that and after everybody leaves she starts saying “have you noticed what she does to him, she owns him totally etc”.”
Not sure of your reaction, but a note:
Beware Beta affiliation when she gossips to you. Gossip with women is a double bind.
Agree in the slightest and you undercut your Alpha. Pettiness registers and accumulates over time.
Disagree overtly and you are lowering yourself into unnecessary contention, again undercutting your Alpha.
Best to sidestep.
Sounds like you’re progressing already. Good on you.
@Palma
Didn’t know Vice hired transvestite reporters. It’s good for me to learn new things. “She” needs to do a bit more work to appear convincing, though…a
Beware Beta affiliation when she gossips to you. Gossip with women is a double bind. Yep. Mrs. Gamer likes to badmouth SIL. She was doing it yesterday and I pushed back, speaking to Daughter Gamer, “Before this drama, I was having such a nice morning.” [smiling] Sometimes you have to listen to a little if it pertains to you. Outside church on Sunday, SIL followed Mrs. Gamer after she told him that she wasn’t talking to him. A church volunteer told SIL to leave Mrs. Gamer alone. Mrs. Gamer might have gone off on him and attacked him if he… Read more »
@Rc I’m a simple man so bear with me. The whole point of red pill is bearing up the natural truths of female mostly and some male. Hens make the same noise when they lay an egg as they do when they take a big crap. Rooster greets the day loud and proud,struts his stuff as the cock of the walk. Both are in touch with the true nature of their beings. When you learn the true nature of her being through Rollos writings understand she is out of touch with it and will auto correct naturally as you do.… Read more »
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My wife notices all of that and after everybody leaves she starts saying “have you noticed what she does to him, she owns him totally etc”.
Agree & Amplify: “Yeah, she’s totally bossy. Like she’s his mom or something! Really not a good look at all. Not. At. All. .” then smack her on the ass, changing the subject…
“judging disputes and fixing problems” RP reframes the importance being Mr. FixIt. Most female anger is personal uncertainties projected as drama.There’s no point in contributing. But….. I was in a poolhall as a clueless young man. A woman was acting up and came at another guy in a rage physically. He shoved her to the ground and that was that. It was the first time I felt a guy was in the right getting physical. It was odd as I was under the impression that men never physically restrain a woman. She wasn’t well. The little shove she received saved… Read more »
“We’re at the stage where even a full Crocodile Dundee test won’t accurately define what you’re dealing with.”
In my area, as well as yours, I have observed that if it’s well turned out wearing a posh frock the odds of it being some sort of tranny or tranny wannabe (and I’m not sure which is worse from a dealing with the psychology perspective) are probably greater than not. XYs, for the most part, do not wear nice, feminine clothing.
We’re at the stage where even a full Crocodile Dundee test won’t accurately define what you’re dealing with.
Me: Don’t take this wrong, but I have to do the Crocodile Dundee test.
She: Ooooh!
Me: Now the DNA test…open your mouth and I’ll swab your cheek. If you pass this, I’m DTF.
She: Wtf?
lol
Two girls last Fri. were asking me for dance lessons or to dance…both said that I had danced with them previously…both seemed underage for the bar…21 y.o. max…faces were attractive, but not pretty, but bodies were pleasing….I danced with one and ignored the other…lol…options…
@Ollie You should read this article which deals with your belief that the world is becoming overpopulated. The academics don’t believe that, except for some empty heads in the U.N. “The World Might Actually Run Out of People” https://www.wired.com/story/the-world-might-actually-run-out-of-people/ The UN population data is something we call vertical knowledge, or “everybody knows” knowledge. Whether it’s the prime minister of a country, a university academic, a business leader, a student, just a guy on the street, you ask any of them, “What is happening with population?” and they go, “Oh it’s terrible, there’s a huge population explosion. I was just watching… Read more »
“If the U.S. closed its borders and ended immigration, we’d end up severely underpopulated.”
What is the definition of “underpopulated”?
thank you all, really. Advice is accumulating faster than I can try. Many little things are of immediate application. I found the link to the 12 stages of dread insightful – particularly about the order in which things should occur. I think I had picked them up from various readings and started practicing them (up to #5) but I was mixing them up a bit. The Reconstruction essays are really good, and they really speak to me, probably because part of my back story is in there. I come from a Catholic background and the way in which you are… Read more »
@Rc I got home from the cigar lounge tonight 9 minutes after you posted that up. Hah. I was actually out with BluePillProfessor there, and also my red pill buddy I’ve know for 10 years, and another guy who I brought in to the red pill fold, who has always had his shit together. The latter guy leaves us early because he wakes up at 4:30 AM hits the gym, gets to work at 6:00 AM, two hours before his co-workers on a regular basis. I come from a Catholic background and the way in which you are brought up… Read more »
Rc I don’t think Mrs. Rc is a cynical person, but I’m understanding now that she thinks differently than what i imagined. You need to understand that some, possibly most, of the reactions are not thinking at all, they are emoting that wells up from her hindbrain. Some women do shit test consciously, but most do not. That doesn’t make the shit test any more pleasant, but do not overthink them. It’s really easy for some men to get into a navel-gazing “what did she really mean when she said..?” spiral. Women say a lot of stuff that is “true”… Read more »
“underpopulated” = economy goes to shit, social security and medicare can’t be maintained, military can’t be maintained, invaders take over the country
@theasdgamer: in 1940 the US population was the third of today’s value, and they still could defend themself… and the fact, that today the state is responsible for social security and medicare is just a modern anomaly, mankind could do without that for millenias… underpopulation is not a problem, the distorted age distribution is the problem. But that will sort itself out too when the baby boomer generation dies out.
” . . . “underpopulated” = economy goes to shit, social security and medicare can’t be maintained . . .” That’s the sort of definition a government economist would cook up. A government economist who had already mucked all those things up and was trying to cover his ass. All populations have some sort of economy, but it doesn’t have to be our sort of economy. Try turning things around and define a sufficient population. I’d suggest “Everyone has something useful to do” as a starting point. “Being great granddad” would likely be “something useful to do” in some cases.… Read more »
@ Rc “Advice is accumulating faster than I can try.” Good morning. Consider being better a reduction process. You must empty your cup before you fill it up with something better. You’ll find being attractive and better or whatever is a lot easier without cosmetically applying RP atop some deeply erroneous thinking patterns. It’s called reconstruction as you need to initially bulldoze all your false beliefs about yourself and your relation to the world around you. There’s no half-stepping unless replacing your present buffers with others. “I come from a Catholic background and the way in which you are brought… Read more »
“… underpopulation is not a problem, the distorted age distribution is the problem.” There ya go. And it’s largely a problem caused by government economists who set up social security and medicare all stupid, and then abused it for the cherry on top. “But that will sort itself out too when the baby boomer generation dies out.” The Millennials are a mini baby boom who outnumber the baby bust Xers. The scale of the problem is smaller, but it’s still the problem. Major perturbations in population growth do not just go away. They oscillate. If the oscillation is damped it… Read more »
And of course the Four Horsemen are always ready and willing to ride to restore a sustainable mean.
As often as not what happens is that the “invaders” are invited into the gates. Perhaps to do something silly like shore up the economy, social security and medicare. Perhaps to guard the gates themselves. kfg, most hispanics work in the U.S. for a number of years, then return. They aren’t “taking over” the country. But they are often contributing social security and medicare taxes. The U.S. economy is brittle because banking because the Fed controls interest rates. And it’s a consumer-driven economy, which requires an increasing population which requires immigration because the native population isn’t replacing itself. This has… Read more »