For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
And I know most of my FRs are me bitching about having a tough time, but this is a very big goal for me, and the beginners phase + being incel is a brutal combination to deal with. I figure other incels and beginner phase guys will read this and say, “lol i guess I’m not the only one.”
@walawala & Sentient – thank you. I’ve got this. I’m handling it. Sentient – I take your point about the entitlement issue. That’s the core of it (YaReally also pointed out something similar ages ago – as he said, it’s the reason why I can do situational opens with girls ordering drinks at the bar next to me all day long, but I freeze up when I need to go up to a two-set and actually interrupt a conversation. @Safespace – don’t worry dude, everyone who starts from a low-base goes through that. YaReally did, Mystery did. Just keep at… Read more »
@Safespace – PS – yes, the feeling of being more “normal” to start conversations with girls in clubs is just social pressure – I feel it too and it’s just practice and building reference experiences to get rid of it – just like with any mindset change. As HABD would say, “it’s the FI pressing on you” There’s a good RSD video of Tyler or someone talking about the difference between daygame and nightgame – “the sun is shining in daygame”. That’s an oversimplification of course, but the biggest issue with daygame is just fewer targets and more time spent… Read more »
PPS – Speaking of no-one giving a shit if you hit on a girl – a few years ago I was in a club and went and opened a two-set who completely blanked me. I was having a good night so I literally turned around (I didn’t even have to move my feet) and opened the two-set next to them who blew right open giggling and we had a great chat. Immediately after some random guy standing nearby with his girlfriend – they’d seen the whole thing – actually stopped me and high-fived me (presumably for having the balls to… Read more »
Culum
You might try pretending for a bit that you are not “Culum”… and see how that goes. You are Culum’s “Cousin Roger” the sex bandit…
And if you are going to do more non bar stuff…. did you do the music experiment yet?
Culum
So “Cousin Roger” might be more like this…
https://therationalmale.com/2016/11/11/deep-conversion/#comment-178176
https://therationalmale.com/2016/11/04/blue-pill-alphas/comment-page-8/#comment-178160
PS – Rollo why no searchy searchy the comments? 🙁
like Paul Janka in Manhattan Take note of the Janka stuff above, he is on U of Texas campus or just off campus… The girl on the phone clip… doesn’t matter if she was the only girl he saw that week or one of 1,000… What matters is he ACTED and ran his game… Watch that clip 10 times. Watch the kino.. how long it goes on… His body language… tonality… presence… confidence… verbals “we thought each other is cute”… LOL What did the girl say to that… Nothing! Silent agreement… Safe if you are wandering in a sea of… Read more »
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@Culum Thanks for the advice bro. I actually recall reading tyler’s six steps once but i totally forgot about them lol I’ll have to implement them tonight. On to the FR though Last night (yesterday) FR: I didn’t approach any girl during the day lol because as I said I got overwhelmed by the environment and my own thoughts that I shut myself down. However, I went out at night and I approached One 2-set. This was my first approach in 3 days lol, but it went pretty well although I didn’t get a number close or anything. I actually… Read more »
@safespaceplaypen A couple things to keep in mind as you pursue your game career. You are a young student and you should keep these things in mind for the future. (forgive me if they are abstract principles instead of concrete actions. they will come in handy one day if you understand their importance): The Law of Least Effort and Sprezzatura Law #30: Make your Accomplishments Seem Effortless Your actions must seem natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that go into them, and also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act effortlessly, as… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OodWQbHMmjw
A little sexualizing, innuendo – courtesy of Craig Ferguson. PS – Bibb is 40 here…
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@Sentient Walawala HABD Just deleted my sugar site account. Not just stopped using it – deleted it (actually the site doesn’t let you delete, you can only deactivate the account, but I’ve removed my pictures and profile text and I’ll change around some more details over the next few days before I deactivate). Also deleted Tinder etc from my phone. It’s not just a crutch (as Wala said) – it’s also a major timesink – especially when I’m on a Blitz, too much time I could be spending outdoors talking to girls is wasted messaging girls and WhatsApp etc. From… Read more »
The Gambler.
Cortez approves. 👍
Viva!
Lol. The Gambler movie was about a man’s journey to be free from constraint and buffers (his gambling addiction and debts) by charging on to victory via taking a fork in the road. HABD and Sentient would summarize the Gambler movie the same way that Roger Ebert summarized his tepid review of the Gambler Movie: You got this Culum! Look, I get it. This is supposed to be some kind of fable-slash-parable. But even the wimpiest fairy tales have some form of credible threat. When various minions finally do pummel Bennett for his sins, I thought “eh, he’ll be all… Read more »
“From now on if I want to get laid, I need to talk to girls.”
You’ll probably need to touch them as well. At least, I’ve never figured out how to do it without touching. Now that I think about it, you could even skip the talking and get right to the touching, but I always like to at least say “hi” first. I’m probably too much of a gentleman for my own good.
@Culum
like kfg points out…
if in doubt… touch her…lol
dicarlo escalation ladder – learn it… live it… love it… get laid… lol
good luck!
@Culum Back a long time ago I would take my son and his buddy fishing for blue gills at a local park. On the way I would crank up the song Graduate by Third Eye Blind on the stereo in my Ford Explorer. I swear those little kids got some frisson from it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmrC_Pij5gc The graduation in the lyrics is metaphorical – a desire to grow up and be successful. Can I Graduate, Can I look into the faces that I meet, Can I get my punk-ass off the street, I’ve been living on for so long, Can I Graduate,… Read more »
This is also one of my favorite memes. Graduating from college:
@Culum. Well done. Keep off it. I’ll share my field report from last night. I’ve said I’ve been down after I discovered plate was dating my friends behind my back. Shook me up. Those guys are now blacklisted but I’m proud of the fact I just responded to her massive text meltdown and weirdness with ‘k’. But it left me with that bitter Red Pill taste in my mouth. Ok so last night I go to my salsa party. See 24 hb8. I hear she’s someone’s gf. But hey it’s a party so let’s see how far hypergamy goes. First… Read more »
“We need a newer posts shortcut at the top of the comments not the bottom scrolling through 800+ is getting tedious.”
Short of that you can just copy and paste a link to a latest post in field reports. Email it to yourself or bookmark it in your browser and then you can go right to the last field report you read.
Just right click on the date after the commenters name and copy the link address:
February 25, 2017 at 8:04 am is a hyperlink for this:
https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-9/#comment-190686
02/24/2017 FR: Last night was not good lol. I didn’t make a single approach. I stayed out between 9:30PM and 12:00PM. Within the first 30 minutes of entering the first venue was when shit basically went downhill – I saw several good opportunities but didn’t make an approach. I just waited around until I got “comfortable” to approach, which never happened lol. Naturally, the longer I waited the more uncomfortable I became, which made the thought of approaching exponentially more difficult as time passed on. There came a point where I was like, “what the fuck is wrong with me?… Read more »
The problem is I can’t make comment format changes to individual pages in WordPress. Everything is a global change. I can use nested comments, but then you get a mish-mash of 800 sub comments and no one can get the totality of the conversation.
The comment architecture in WP sucks sucks overall.
@Safespace “I stayed out between 9:30PM and 12:00PM. What was the venue like? What about a wingman? What about DHV, social proof and leading other men? I’d think if you shut down like that you could sit at the bar and complete your reading of The Mystery Method in two nights. Here is a snippet of Mystery Method starting on page 72. Read this and think why you shouldn’t read the Mystery book as a beginner student of Game. It has a lot of structure and depth : Quote: The 3-Second Rule You want to be in a set within… Read more »
@Safespace, don’t forget that this is still supposed to be fun. It’s called GAME afterall. Watch the following video of RSD Max and pay attention to how much fun he has and how much he makes the people around him have more fun. Even if you don’t get laid, you can have a much better night of you think of this video and be more fun and lively in your interactions:
@All – thanks guys. Action is underway. @Safespace – good work on getting out there. Your problem is absolutely classic. I still get it too, as does everyone else – in fact there’s a bunch of videos of RSD instructors saying they get Approach Anxiety too – the difference is that they don’t let it STOP them – they know they’ll get it early on so they have a system in place to break through it and build their state – this is the whole point of the 3 second rule which SJF posted above, or Tyler’s Six Steps etc.… Read more »
Oh and mini FR/vignette. More an observation really – to do with what I can notice as I get better – I just SEE more. Walking down the street, a HB7 walking in the opposite direction, with two guys (not sure if one was bf or not). As they walk past me, I’m looking at the HB7’s face and I hear one of the guys tell her “Wait, so you actually want to go to a strip club??” and he sounded a bit..surprised and incredulous I guess. Not negative, but not exactly positive and nonjudgmental either. I could *see* the… Read more »
palmasailor The FR section really would explode but I just can’t sit there scrolling through thousands of comments day after day to try to help out the latest guy who’s struggling. Lazily I leave a window open in a browser set to TRM. One tab is open on the latest comment page of FR’s. Like this: https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-9/#comments A reload brings up the latest postings. When comments force page-10 I’ll keep that tab open. This works because of the time nature of comments when not nested. The latest comments are always on the newest page. Just a work around, not perfect.… Read more »
@palmasailor & all, again, would an independent small forum be a better format for field reports? I’m thinking it might since guys could start threads independently and then come back to them for updates.
Rollo:
Isn’t that sorta kinda what Athol Kay had for a while at his site?
Or would it be more along the lines of a reddit?
Easiest WordPress workaround might be a monthly FR posting: March 2017 Field Reports followed by one for April 2017, etc. Since most of the traffic is just “latest report” then probably each posting would consist of fewer comment pages.
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@Rollo… imho there exist already a number of field report forums. What works with this is that it’s a community of guys who share the Red Pill ideas…if you have an independent t forum then it’s not TRM anymore might as well be so suave 2.0.
@Rollo – I agree with Walawala. What makes this place special is the specific community of men here and the application of Red Pill thinking to Game.
More distance between “TRM” and the “Field Reports” is not a good idea.
I think Anonymous Reader’s workaround is best.A monthly Field Report thread will address the issues with lengthy thread etc, and also prevent FRs on the other threads (which was the reason for creating the FR thread in the first place).
@Culum and Rollo maybe what would work best is keeping it the same but then Rollo can highlight some key challenges Or responses in the field reports in the main thread…
Monthly Field Report Round Up
Leave it up for a few days but highlight some challenges or Red pill concepts brought up or handled well or badly.
The problem I find is honestly there is a lack of solid Red Pill advice for field reports or gaming or relationships anywhere else.
Guys here know the score and give solid help.
Went out both Friday and last night. FRIDAY ——— Worst part of the night was not having the balls too approach two gorgeous young girls who were sat outside in the beer garden fairly early into the night. A blonde and a brunette. Both my type. Young, slim, pretty faces. i’ve experienced lots of ‘instant rejections’ from hot young girls recently, and I just couldn’t stomach the kick to the ego of having it happen again, especially so early into the night. they were gorgeous, though! It was also partly a ‘competence’ based fear/approach anxiety. Like, I looked at them… Read more »
@Pitbikemike First of all well done on the Friday approach. Success breeds success. A few more strategic points because your FR is a bit random. I think your game needs to be much more structured. You need a game plan to avoid those awkward moments when there’s nothing more to say. Start combing the various pua archive sites for material: openers, mini-routines. The ones that work best for me are The Cube, the Questions Game and the 5 Lies Game. They’re little routines that always break the ice and tension when you’re trying to spike attraction during comfort. Study the… Read more »
@Mike
She kind of has herself to blame, though. She kind of grinds up on random guys and flicks her hair in their face. She actually done it to me.
She’s being a cocktease. You show higher value by moving her from her tease frame to your frame–whatever you want it to be…tease her about just being a cocktease…tease her about being too aggressive (she’s chasing you) and you like the shy type…the world is your oyster
Afternoon all, haven’t been here in a while, but I thought I would share a possible snatching defeat from the jaws of victory story. I was in the swimming pool a few Friday evenings back (from 20:00 to 22:00, I find it’s the best time for serious swimming), about 21:00 I spot a young women (about 25, 5’9″, really slim) walking along the pool deck across the other side from me, wearing a strapless bikini. I spot her and quietly laugh to myself, thinking, “You’re no swimmer”, “What on Earth are you doing?”, and “How’s that going to stay on”.… Read more »
@Chunky Monkey Dude, you were in a pool…alone with a girl in a bikini, you were DHV’ing her with solid athletics, she chats you up…and then splits. Clearly she’s either frustrated, embarrassed or just weird. You had tons of time to start DHVing, to tease her or at the very least say something like: “I’m getting water-logged her, let’s continue this on dry land…there’s a coffee shop across the street, i’m going to get changed, let meet up and rehydrate.” I think there are times when you’re doing your thing not expecting to meet someone and then you’re faced with… Read more »
Culum, Chunky Monkey, Pitbikemike
This is what got me started. It’s an archive of all the routines. Have a dig around it:
http://seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/Start_PU/The_3_Second_Rule/index.html
Chunky
Unless you have very weird eye contact issues, and it sounds like you don’t, she left because the next step with YOU and her was sex. Did she leave a trail? Lol.
Self mateguarding.
Tell us where you standing there post shower like this?
http://a136.idata.over-blog.com/288×350/4/91/79/02/archives/The-Swimmer/The-Swimmer—Burt-Lancaster-8.jpg
Ps great red pill movie.
“I can’t imagine what on Earth I said to her that would cause that sort of reaction. Apparently fascinating bloke to pariah, in 20 minutes, that’s definitely another new record.”
It might not have anything to do with you. Sounds like something happened in between.
Could be she discovered she got her period. I’m serious.
@walawala,
Thanks, I’ve bookmarked the link.
Also, thanks for confirming that was one of those “I should have done better there” moments, because I was fairly sure I wasn’t reading more into this then I otherwise should.
Like you say, you can come to expect anonymity by default.
Also Chunky… She was throwing herself at you in 🐱 language… There was a chance for you to lead it someplace right before she bailed. So after putting herslef out there she is self conscious seeing you again because you “rejected” her. Not a bad problem to have. Solve both scenarios by getting logistics down right away “what brings you out on Friday night? What are you doing later?”… This will give you intel on her status i.e. IHABF and whether you can move to instadate after or grab a number. But you need to act. She has done everything… Read more »
@Sentient
That’s hilarious! He’s just missing the kit bag.
I did hear some squelching, although it could have been her flip-flops.
Absolutely, great movie. It makes me realise how blue pill my family is, when I was watching this (back when I was a teenager), my Dad told that it was weird and to turn it off.
@Sentient,
Ah OK! That would make sense, even the pool attendant wondered what was up with her.
I think this is an example of, as Rollo eloquently summarised, “The medium is the message”.
I should have just stopped her as she was walking away and said “wait 5 minutes, we’ll get a drink”.
In a way women are logical, you just have to figure what they’re trying to say.
It still blows my mind, when you points out their logic and their rationalisations.
In a way women are logical, you just have to figure what they’re trying to say. yup. Cats are not dogs. Learn Catonese Chunky… Now that there is renewed interest on MM this week at least, you guys need to take step back and really grasp what IOI’s are… because unless you can spot the IOI’s, you won’t get to far… you will miss A2, you will miss when to IOD etc… when to up the comfort… Go over IOIs… This area is also one of the biggest buffers guys have.. they refuse to believe the girl is interested in… Read more »
Was out of town with Mrs. Eh, big city overnight. Had great time, visited friends, made new ones… At hotel, after dancing, midnight, I’m up, she’s up, we’ve did all the bedroom stuff twice already. So let’s go out again, just nearby, something quick. Drive to corner pub. Inside, just us, four guys and one woman and bartender lady. We’re enjoying our conversation, Mrs. Is kissing me, and at one point we’re dancing in the almost empty bar. She’s tripping a bit. I’m sober, she’s tipsy. I’m laughing aloud about the day, making a two person party of it. We… Read more »
@Eh Intellect:
I haven’t been to The City in a while, but my past experience is that I can pretty much go anywhere, any time I want in Manhattan and not run into any real trouble . . .
. . . unless I’m wearing a suit.
An update on a 32yo girl I was about to see again after more than a month while visiting a different city for the weekend. @Culum, @palmasailor, thanks for the feedback guys. I actually did say my day was busy and couldn’t meet her. She says oh well maybe next time. I decided to follow my own agenda and meet new prospects. I later thought that with the meeting out of the way I could try to sexualize more before deleting the number. Either react to me or ignore me! Jeeesus, she was sooo boring. She didn’t respond in any… Read more »
Hey, @walawala. Thanks for your input. I’ve actually already began to read MM. I’ll be honest in that some of the routines and stuff feel a bit incongreent with my personality, but i’m hoping to experiment with little mini routines that I can kind of make my own. More or less as a way to have something to fall back on for when i’m struggling for things to say. By coincidence, I also have actually already seen a couple of episodes of that pickup artist program. I’ll be sure to watch some more when I get time. With the girl… Read more »
IRL From that FR, being married had little to do with it… I’ve noticed that not building enough sexual tension Yeah… there was low attraction… Just remember that a girl “being logical” is more projection than a quest for logical answers… key off of what she is projecting in her questioning… she will give all the clues you need… status, dominance, etc. More sexualizing, more compliance testing, more making her qualify to you… And many will say – including Blackdragon – that you got a lane changer who is wary of the P&D and looking to lock down a beta.… Read more »
IRL
“How do you weed out women like that”
If you want to weed her out that is pretty easy… challenge her on her new found purity…
“oh… you one of those girls…?”
Her: What????
You:” Come on, you know… trading sex for companionship… I’m into people who are honest with their sexuality and enjoy life.”
@sentient, kfg
Yep. Noted.
@SJF lol I appreciate the help. I actually read MM about two years ago when I was a junior in college. That’s when I developed an interest in “Game” but i didn’t immediately go out and start trying stuff. At the time I still figured that a girl would just “fall into” my life, which never happened. A year later from then I actually started going out to bars, but even then I never actually talked to any girls or tried out anything in MM. By then I forgot about almost everything in MM, and the environemnt of the nightlife… Read more »
@SJF lol I appreciate the help. I actually read MM about two years ago when I was a junior in college. That’s when I developed an interest in “Game” but i didn’t immediately go out and start trying stuff. At the time I still figured that a girl would just “fall into” my life, which never happened. A year later from then I actually started going out to bars, but even then I never actually talked to any girls or tried out anything in MM. By then I forgot about almost everything in MM, and the environemnt of the nightlife… Read more »
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@Sentient HABD Wala Forge Hank et al GREAT Sat night FR (and pretty decent Friday too): First cold approach number close in THREE YEARS!!! Less than a day after I “burned my boats” with online dating – I wasn’t even thinking about the online thing consciously but I guess this stuff works. I know it kinda sounds silly after banging so many online chicks in the same period but it’s a really big deal for me – I finally dealt with that monkey on my back. Friday & Sat night both out with my goodlooking wing who I get along… Read more »
@IRL – good work on the date and pushing boundaries. On the sexual threat thing – keep at it. I was in a very similar place about 4 years ago where I was just no sexual projection and I taught myself to fix it over many (many) online dates. You could do it even faster. Basically at first just keep to a script kind of thing – like the old MM 3 IOIs and kiss..use a kiss close or just draw her cheek towards you on a high point or something. I saw you tried for it at the end… Read more »
@Chunky Monkey You’re way over-thinking this pool situation. A simple way to game her would have been to “Hey, i’m planning to get a coffee after this, race you to the other side, loser buys…” splashed her in the face with water and swam off… It would have been playful, a compliance test and a “turnaround”…if she didn’t you could simply say “Good…I’ll be across the street, meet me there”… If she didn’t show up or pushed back, just shrug and tease again…”Losing sucks…ha!” You’re inside your heads here guys….you’re thinking you’re Mystery instead of learning from him and being… Read more »
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“I’m about to put my hand up and say good night to the girl, but she catches a quick glimpse of me, puts her head down and begins walking away from me at a markedly increased pace, whilst the pool attendant asks me if there’s anyone left in the men’s showers (to which I reply there’s not), and then asks after the girl if there’s anyone left in the lady’s showers, to which she starts walking away even faster, steadfastly keeping her head down. The pool attendant shouts after her again, and then gives up on any response, looking at… Read more »
Culum Great man… keep going… Saw her talking to a total chode a few minutes later. good opportunity to circle back to her “oh hey I didn’t know you had a boyfriend”… Her “He’s not my BF. You: “Oh well, I can help you get him” lolz You can reopen girls later. I did think of pulling, but it was WAY too early in the night (not even 10pm) well not necessarily… You bounce them first… “hey we are going to xyz, let’s go”… Momentum is your friend. Bounce to more intimate places… Don’t get stuck waiting to Pull O’Clock…… Read more »
@Culum Go through The Pickup Artist Videos and use each of those challenges are a weekly challenge for yourself until you totally understand the concepts.
Sentient calls it correctly…you don’t have to “pull” you need to understand the concept of “bouncing”….that’s what Mystery calls C2… Krauser has his own version of this as well.
Basically you want to isolate the target, you want to bounce her to another location—even within the club. The point is to compress time so she feels like she’s spending more time with you. Multiple locations does that.
@Sentient I was just thinking over what you said again with regard to my story on page 9, specifically in terms of the girl seeing what happened as rejection. I remember saying in the conversation that I swim three times a week, same time, same place (plus I live in a tiny provincial commuter town, not a metropolis where people come and go every five minutes) i.e. she knew where to find me. So, why the hurry? What in female psychology stops a woman from thinking, “we did only speak for 5 minutes or so, I’ll come back in a… Read more »
Chunky So, why the hurry? What in female psychology stops a woman from thinking, “we did only speak for 5 minutes or so, I’ll come back in a couple of days, plus I can sound him out some more and see if he’s not a complete nutcase”, rather than seeing a situation like that as flat out rejection? Girls that chase dick are known as what? Sluts. So they chase it subtly… but the feel the same kind of rejection as we do when a girl gives you a hands up NO! EEWWW!!!! You can continue to do rational logical… Read more »
A hand stand in a strapless bikini…. LOL
WTF!
@Chunky Monkey… ”I think it’s worse now that I’m aware of game, because I now find myself constantly trying to second guessing entire conversations.”
Right…I used to have this until I started practicing the routines…Mystery says learn and use the material….then when you get some success you’ll start to develop your own.
I now have a few set pieces I use…once the conversation starts and I know I’m now in comfort I move it into C2 and “bounce” or suggest moving to another location.
This shit works because it’s been tested.
Have a look:
@Sentient
Steady on. A simple “don’t be such a dumb ass”, would have sufficed.
Chunky Now on a larger note… recall that women have concealed ovulation… they often – mostly – don’t know when they are dropping an egg… but they get the urge to mingle more, wear some more revealing clothing… act a little sassier… hmmmm….. So likely she was a bit horny and went out and struck out… you may never see her again. Happens all the time. women put themselves out there in the moment because it is what they are feeling in the moment. Once the moment passes, it is lost. Need a new moment. She is not going to… Read more »
Saturday, 10:30 pm wife refuses sex & immediately changes subject to some shit that needs fixing at house. I tell her contractor coming tomorrow (I can’t fix this one). She keeps on after I tell her this about why kids need this fixed, blah blah. I snap at her. She says I’m grumpy. I tell her I produce too much sperm. She says it’s always about my dick and how sex isn’t what marriage is about. I up and leave at that nonsense. Travel 40 miles to work town & hit up bar. Tired as fuck, but I had to… Read more »
Chunks
Don’t be a pussy… jess playing with you. Loosen up. All good.
Chunky One more thing… Now if you do see her again don’t assume you can just pick right up where you left off… Her guard is going to be up, that moment passed. definitely open her and if she is positive – drive a truck through that window. But don’t be surprised if she is a little cold and closed off. But you can easily work with that. easy to say after YOU take the lead and start talking to her again “oh hey I didn’t catch your name last week” and after you DHV a bit and tease her… Read more »
@Chunky
@Sentient
Steady on. A simple “don’t be such a dumb ass”, would have sufficed.
how’s that FI treating you?…lol
bc a simple “dumbass” would NOT have sufficed to help you learn to SEE IOIs in real time… but it WOULD have allowed you to maintain your beta buffer and NOT develop as an AF stud…
getting great advice… (and Sentient was right… her next step up the female ‘escalation ladder of intent’ was ‘sucking your dick’…lol)… the medium is the message…
good luck!
I just want to put up some background abstract theory to the Chunky, Sentient Walawala conversation. The first two concepts involve red pill aware impudence and leadership in Game. The third concept is that nice-ness is not a Game virtue (in an amoral sense). In regards to impudence and leadership at the pool, here was an excerpt that I’ve posted several times about the Alpha Attitude from Franco’s Manual of Seduction. (Re)Read this Chunky: https://therationalmale.com/2016/12/12/the-power-of-emotion/comment-page-3/#comment-183124 The second link is something just posted on married red pill reddit. click on the reddit picture which is a link to the post on… Read more »
@Sentient + HABD I was joking too. But it is good advice, next time a girl does a handstand in front of me, all I need to say with a smile is “while your down there love…” That’s a joke too (having said that now I’m almost certain someone on here is going to pipe up with, “funny you should say that, I was at this party, and….”). In earnest though, thanks for the help (I understand the thrust i.e. putting into plain speak what that woman was thinking), I haven’t seen the girl again, and I don’t expect to,… Read more »
@Rollo, three FRs eaten in two weeks. Didn’t save them. Switch to dedicated forum is my vote. perhaps I used too many paragraphs.
@newly, I found it. WordPress has been kind of squirrely since the update.
@SJF
Thanks for the links, I’ve read everything, so what’s your take, aside from the face palm, and “you bloody idiot!”?
@walawala
Thanks for the vids, I actually watched this last night, after watching all of season 1 of “The Pick Up Artist”.
I need to watch it again, there’s a lot in there.
@Rollo, thanks.
Newly how would you guys take that comment she made? Well her being a bartender is slightly more complicated… but generally girls have used “cute” to mean “I want you to fuck me” in Catonese. That 40’s woman a few weeks ago said exactly this, among other things… “You’re really cute”… Which on its face is hilarious because grown ass men are anything but “cute”. But they have limited language when throwing themselves at you… Hot is another one, Fine is one… Handsome at least makes sense… But her being a bartender, part of me will question motive… I would… Read more »
@Chunky My take is that there is a distinct and curious imbalance between the ways people approach work and Game. In our careers we dedicate years of study in school, we train and apprentice, get counseled and tested and then hone and broaden skills. We study, learn and become competent and then masterful. In pickup, one needs background knowledge and skills instead of “winging it” on the job and in the pool. I was just observing your breakdown of what happened at the pool and Sentient’s advice for next time. It may or may not be appropriate for you. So… Read more »
@Chunky
That’s a joke too
how’s that FI treating you?…lol…
@Sentient + HABD
I was joking too. But it is good advice, next time a girl does a handstand in front of me, all I need to say with a smile is “while your down there love…”
if your subcomms were solid… and you OWNED that statement (don’t forget your smirk…lol)… that (or some version) would actually work…lol… (but not joking…)
good luck!
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@SJF I won’t mention this anymore, however, writing in earnest, I can see you weren’t being critical, I was not offended, and greatly appreciated the links and information, and all points made in regard so far have been interesting and eye opening. My comment to you included a line of self deprecating humour, although the tone doesn’t seem to come through too well in the written word. The irony is pretty funny, not only did I completely miss what was going on and what should have been the easiest lay of my life, I actually pissed the women off to… Read more »
@Chunky
Thanks for that. We are kindred spirits in a parallel universe. Because of: being inscrutable. And trying to master the written and spoken word. (H/T to KFG for his mentoring efforts there…)
Speaking of parallel universes:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/02/27/alpha-male-body-language-the-scoring-20s-edition/
@ Culum Thx for the link. “I’m not a big guy or anything, I just understand the social dynamics behind why guys fight. Most of the time it’s out of insecurity. You just match his mental state, pace him, then lead it into a calmer state.” Thanks! The link is helpful verbalizing the leader guy’s Beta nature, not subduing me personally, his inability to argue down the woman, grabbing Mrs. Eh, and his anger at me walking away. It was never about uber with him, or any of them. They were bored, no game, seeing me having a ball, irked… Read more »
@SJF I’m still struggling with all the information so far, although it is fascinating, and it would be possible to spend most of my spare time just reading theory, however it seems to me the rump of the work is going to be taking all of the data and applying it in my social interactions. You’re definitely correct on the “niceness” point, I don’t think anyone respects a doormat, I learned that from past employers. I listened to a segment on Patrice O’Neal’s “Black Phillip Show”, which talked about not being a “a time ‘ho” (great analogy), and not letting… Read more »
Ehintellect
Re The Swimmer… it is interesting watch because he goes backwards… from alpha to beta or worse… Of course Alpha does not mean happy or good to start with…
Chunky I’ll end this with a question to you, Realizing that cats are not dogs. That will render all this superfluous I’ll dither about trying to find out snippets of information about the girl (as part of several banal chit-chats), over days and weeks, as a prelude to some profound but imagined conversation I’m going to have with her at some point in the future Most guys have been there ^^^ because that is a rational logical thing to do. we are leaving the realm of logic and rationality as we as men perceive these things. Once you learn Catonese,… Read more »
I cosign the idea that men should always,always walk away from a fight whenever it’s possible. Fights hurt. Good fights end in the hospital. Spectacular fights end in comas or in the morgue. Eh, one of the worse, most brutal ass whoopings I’ve ever handed out was upon a dickhead that actually slapped my ( 1st wife ) . Hard. Then he came at me with a tire iron. My father and a next door neighbor had to pull me off of the guys limp carcass. The police pressed charges against him for assault and battery. A cop told me… Read more »
“….and it would be possible to spend most of my spare time just reading theory, however it seems to me the rump of the work is going to be taking all of the data and applying it in my social interactions.” Hence my comment of applying studious techniques to red pill and game as if your life depends on it. Like your life depends on being confident and competent in your life profession. This is where you take what I term “in between time” to use it to your advantage. As time is a man’s most valuable commodity, it is… Read more »
… Oh, one last OT thought about fighting. I was thinking about going to this mall on Sunday and check out some sneakers and neckties. I got sidetracked all morning and decided not to go. Then that night I heard this… http://abc7ny.com/news/fight-in-food-court-causes-chaos-at-new-jersey-mall/1775246/ Strange. It’s a quiet mall. That’s why I go there. Point is, I go to this mall with my family and usually a few goddaughters in tow. I’m like the marines in that my motto is No One Left Behind. Lol. So if your in the food court and all hell breaks loose, you grab your family and… Read more »
“Most guys have been there ^^^ because that is a rational logical thing to do. we are leaving the realm of logic and rationality as we as men perceive these things. Once you learn Catonese, you will see that there is logic and rationality in what women are doing despite what they are saying.”
https://therationalmale.com/2016/09/25/for-better-or-worse/comment-page-9/#comment-171869
Chin Up Safespace and Chunky Born a sickly child with debilitating asthma, Teddy Roosevelt successfully overcame his health problems by embracing a strenuous lifestyle. He integrated his exuberant personality, vast range of interests, and world-famous achievements into a “cowboy” persona defined by robust masculinity.–Wikipedia Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne in Paris, France on April 23, 1910. Someone who is heavily involved in a situation that requires courage, skill, or tenacity (as opposed to someone sitting on the sidelines and watching), is sometimes referred to as “the man in the arena.–Wikipedia Or for example (Widipedia): “The Strenuous Life” is the name… Read more »
Forgot to add: Game on motherfuckers.
@Sentient,
I’ll try that line next time.
By the time I got home, wifey was asleep. She didn’t say shit about it, but she did talk shit to her girl friend over text message. She doesn’t know I figured out her password. She actually said, “The butthole went out last night…” Not “asshole.” lol. These mommy’s can’t get out of their “safe space” language they use around our kids when they are together.
I don’t care about her reaction though. I need to get laid.