For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
Archie
At some point – the guy was “acting right” – and the girl responded accordingly.
The girl will always respond according to how the guy acts… If you let her get away with murder, well… how do you end up?
Set standards, boundaries, limits… enforce same. Or live with the consequences.
Goes way way beyond NRE.
@ sentient
Cosign.
Women like and respect guidance over nre, even if they don’t realize it.
Women like and respect guidance over nre, even if they don’t realize it.
Hell they can realize it and actively fight against it… but it still works.
Leadership. It’s whats for dinner. If you expect a dinner that is.
“Hell they can realize it and actively fight against it… but it still works.”
Which pisses them off no end. The Unfair Sex by Nina Farewell, referred to in the Y’all be Anglo-Bitches book recommended in the main thread, is a 1950s manual for young women on how to manipulate men into marrying.
One of the points that the book revolves around is that biggest problem to be overcome is that you’re going to want to fuck him, and you can’t do that.
Autumn is here. Girls are wearing their boots all over town, even though it’s not even cold. Brown suede, black suede, brown tanned leather, brown sorta-leather-like. I bet it’s even boot season in the sun belt except where temps are in the 80’s.
They may only get to wear them for a few weeks but it’s boot season.
Herd creatures…
http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/assets_c/2010/06/20100618frankiesmeatballs-thumb-625xauto-95687.jpg
TRM Poll
Meatballs vs. NRE
Which wins!
lol damn guys that post was intended for the newbs! The point I was trying to make (it wasn’t about girls liking older men), was don’t be fooled by sweet little Jenny’s “innocent” appearance (she’s just not like that bro)….its all an act…and she gets wet knowing she’s deceiving you.
Either that look or the “black leather jacket + black jeans and Chelsea boots” look
http://www.styleromance.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tumblr_lxlbx8hJOE1r5ymvxo1_1280-682×1024.jpg
lol
@Sentient, nice pic. Looks like that out the window. Except not just college girls, yesterday I saw a well preserved nearly-40 girl dressed in the more stylish version that includes cashmere sweater and silk scarf.
The girl herd has decreed “boot season”. Who am I to argue?
kfg
One of the points that the book revolves around is that biggest problem to be overcome is that you’re going to want to get fucked by him, and you can’t do that.
FIFY.
Here I am grabbing a quick coffee nowhere near a campus and in walks a 30-something with long hair sllightly highlited, grey sweater, jeans and … ankle-high suede boots. T’is the season.
Surfer girl Uggs:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/09/20/382187EB00000578-3782288-Believes_in_the_product_Rosie_has_revealed_that_she_s_a_big_fan_-a-105_1473448933672.jpg
I have been annoyed for a while now, because while traditionally founded men’s high cavalry boots are in plentiful supply in many variants, they don’t seem to exist for men.
@Sentient
“The girl will always respond according to how the guy acts… If you let her get away with murder, well… how do you end up?”
Congruent Don:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifn1n8JeT4U
Incongruent Don (=creep):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdA5o2cKxEU
“Set standards, boundaries, limits… enforce same. Or live with the consequences.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6An7kahUhKs
@Archie, do you have similar concerns (what to do when the novelty wears off) when it comes to dogs, job, friends, hobbies?
Sexless marriages:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/oct/01/how-it-feels-to-live-in-a-sexless-marriage-readers-respond
@Roused @SJF “Only one of the six she’s had since we’ve been married gave me asthma and it ran off about 25 years ago ( and I had nothing to do with that event.).” ——— Isn’t that about when you took up target practice? Ha ha ha… Not quite, I only had a history with firearms and target practice about 15 years ago. Firearms with both long guns and firearms filled a need for my psyche a while ago for INTJ accuracy in executing my life. It was a proxy and I got good at it. But I never executed… Read more »
Oh… I didn’t notice that Cesar Millan’s video was about dogs… 😉
From The Art of Manipulation linked by @j: […] I’ve already mentioned that Hardy used the “I don’t need you” ruse on women. And he applied it so smoothly that he confidently paid for a motel room before he entered a bar to pick up women. It never occurred to him that he might strike out. And to the best of my knowledge, he almost never did. I doubt that any of the money he paid in advance for a room was ever wasted. Why don’t we ever talk about goals, clarity, laser focus, being ruthless?! Hardy described the tactic… Read more »
J
You might like this film… Good RP themes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35_7er7Uf1s
So as an update to my LTR I decided to end it today and just did so. Ultimately despite the other aspects of the relationship that I’ve shared here I felt like she refused to get on the same “path” and was resistant to follow my lead. We live in the same metropolitan area but somewhat distant from each other. This past week we spent the most amount of time together and had the least amount of sex in the brief history of our relationship. Not playing that game. She wasn’t very supportive of my personal fitness goals either and… Read more »
one of the ‘problems’ of watching J Peterson’s videos is his constant referencing of something else and I get sidetracked into going down yet another bunny trail lol so he mentions Tolstoy’s ‘Confession’ as a short read (*not* like War and Peace) and off I go; although it could have been edited down by about half, and I didn’t quite understand his re-embracing of the Orthodox Russian church, he does have some interesting perspectives also, I couldn’t help but think of rugby11 throughout much of the book; dude, you might give it a look-see some of the snippets below might… Read more »
Thanks Sentient. I’ll check it out tomorrow. Now it’s time to go creep girls out 😉
@CatchersIndifference Way to keep on your mission. That’s why the manosphere was invented. For you to not be subjugated or Betatized by her. Good vetting for LTR From Practical Female Psychology by Joseph W. South and Franco: Quote: Root Causes of Conflict In our view, there are three root causes of conflict in a relationship: 1. Improper Screening 2. Mishandling of Early Frame Announcements 3. Failure to Establish Boundaries Failure to properly handle the above-three items is a death sentence for long-term relationships. The first two items always need to be dealt with before a serious long-term relationship is undertaken.… Read more »
@CatchersIndifference One of the hardest things for me to reconcile is that as far as I can tell the vast majority of the red pill teachings are entirely subconscious for women. It doesn’t make the concepts any less true but in practice I’ve found it difficult to hold women accountable because often times I’ve found they are not conscious of their behavior. From Practical Female Psychology: Quote: “Female Integrity To many men, the very notion of female integrity is an oxymoron of the highest caliber. Right up there with “military intelligence.” However, we believe it’s unproductive to hold women to… Read more »
@Catchers
You do realize, in the end, that that girl was not acting/behaving in the feminine role. Her whole frame was masculine. It wasn’t going to work.
@Catchers – good work – Onward and Upward! PS – Loved the Feynman discussion. DPA but Blue Pill is a great description of him. There’s an amazing chapter in his first book (whole thing is amazing btw) called “You just ask them?” which was probably the first thing I read about pickup and Game, aged about 14-15. Advocating Kind of proto-Direct game I read it many times and even tried a variant of it (less direct) as a freshman in the college library (late 90s – knew nothing about pickup – even Mystery was still on the Toronto streets, learning… Read more »
What’s the difference between a pimp and a housewife. It’s pretty much a mack tho.
Question for PUAs: Is my analysis on target or am I way off? Fri. night I danced once with a bangable early 20s blonde I’ve known a few months. I’ve told her I’m married, but she might have suffered a convenient memory loss. After midnite, I asked her to dance…hadn’t danced with her yet…she asked me why I ask her to dance since she’s a mediocre dancer. I replied that she tries hard. Thinking about this afterwards, she was actually asking a different question, I think…how did I feel about her? This started me thinking…I like her…she’s sweet, feminine, and… Read more »
And then you woke up.
haha just watched the movie, Sentient. Good shit. kinda painful to watch this guy. The part where she’s got period blood on her dress and he goes to clean it “are you ok 🙁 🙁 are you all right? 🙁 then she pushes him away disgusted by his niceness “why do you have to be so nice” damn lol 40:50 “The girls are not even like ‘oh too bad he’s a chode’, they’re like ANGRY at the guy. They’re so FRUSTRATED with the shear amount of chodes out there […] and ironically they’re very tall and good looking which makes… Read more »
@ASD
Low self esteem needed a boost.
The play was to make her work for it.
But that’s the short game analysis.
If you’ve been interacting for months, that’s long game stuff and has different dynamics, complicated by your nuptials.
For those of you who follow only the FRs comments section… There’s a sub-thread on subcomms in Rollo’s The ‘Creep’ – Part 1, comments page 2 and following.
Married Red Pill Field Report: 1. I’m getting better at being a leader of men. Hosting get togethers at my farm and getting better Frame there. I had a normal, things go wrong day out there Saturday. It turned out fine as it usually does. Something always goes wrong, but we get to choose among the things that present themselves. I fucked up on the execution, but recovered in part one here. My daughter called me last week and asked if perchance I could help out with getting a long rifle for her boyfriend to he can go rifle deer… Read more »
So I had been learning on the fly over the weekend, as I always desire to do and end up choosing to do. I felt my part I of my field report showed optionality and antifragility. (ref. Nassim Taleb). My desire to learn by reading Perrion in Part 2, learned me a couple things. One was to use curiosity in relationship game (be curious about your woman and demonstrate that, because she likes that) and don’t be afraid to–as long as leadership is in place–show: it’s not a crime to show what I believe referred to as vulnerability. But really… Read more »
@SJF
There’s something to be said for having sex w/ your wife just for the sake of it and nothing else.
Sounds like you had a productive weekend. How has your approach changed over the years when dealing with your daughter’s suitors?
@Catchers “There’s something to be said for having sex w/ your wife just for the sake of it and nothing else.” Now that you mention it, …it certainly feels wholesome and healthy to me. “How has your approach changed over the years when dealing with your daughter’s suitors?” You must have seen that Heartiste Daughter Guarding post. She really hasn’t needed daughter guarding. She’s 25.75 years old. She’s very socially adept, high self-esteem and purposeful. She smiles a lot. She has been going out the this guy for 2 1/2 years IIRC. He’s very well liked by my wife and… Read more »
@SJF Sounds like she’s on the right track. One of my favorite dance partners is a pleasure to dance with in part simply because she smiles a lot and looks like she’s having a good time. Met a girl over the weekend through some friends but I’m really focused on doing my own thing for the time being. We all spent the greater part of the day together but I was just there to hang out. Still kino’d her multiple times, etc. but didn’t ask for the number because I don’t want it right now. If I was interested in… Read more »
@Blaximus The charted version of yin -yang that you posted,looks to have rearranged the attributes to a new agey feminist version. Here is an old school version. Yin and Yang, Tàijí symbol Yin and Yang, Tàijí symbolYin und Yang are central concepts of Chinese philosophy, especially Daoism (Taoism), which applies this dualism to everything. According to Daoism Yin and Yang are fundamental aspects of reality, simultaneouly interdependent and complementary to each other, rhythmically alternating during the course of life. The Tàijí symbol shows how Yin and Yang blend into each other: when Yang reaches its greatest abundance it already contains… Read more »
Catchers
It felt good to do exactly what I wanted, when I wanted this weekend. Onward and upwards.
Catchers is Numero Uno!
LR I decided to go out last night because wing is leaving for vacation this weekend. Upscale spot. Lot of dudes, but there are some hot chicks here. We vibe together then start approaching the girls as more of them start coming in. I’m just talking to chicks all over this small club it’s easy to trigger preselection…then I’m just standing all cool and shit near the dj booth just observing everything….smiling at chicks I’ve already approached…then I notice an HB8 come up to me from her table and gives me her and we start dancing…incredibly talented dancer…her hips goddamn.… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exa0CzlCb3Y
State music before last night. Makes a big difference!
J
I lead her out the club to get a taxi….it was so effortless…like scary effortless.
You are on the cusp of relegating capital G game and “PUA” to merely acting on windows as they present… which they will. A Supra Game state. Embrace that step up and use the free space in your head to move your passion/purpose/mission forward. No more training wheels necessary, RSD vids etc.
YOU are enough.
@j: “What is your goal tonight?” so that is what a girl asks when she is being “direct” LOL. “I just want to go home” another “direct” statement of intent from her. It is obvious when you know…
Great as always @J! Getting laid like a rock star!!
IAS
what a girl asks when she is being “direct”
“Soooo…. what’s next???”
“Do you want a drink?”
“[silence, strong eye contact, holding cock]
I kept refreshing this page after the weekend waiting for your LR, lol
@Sentient: e-mail saga girl gave me the “Do you want to go get a drink or something?” the first night (not on the dinner date). She was almost stuttering. Neither of us drinks alcohol.
That time I had the coworker cockblock around then, and didn’t figure out a way of taking them to their hotel (they were staying at the same one but I was in another one) and getting rid of the guy while keeping her / getting her back (you suggested some possibilities after I asked).
what a girl asks when she is being “direct” “Soooo…. what’s next???” “Do you want a drink?” “[silence, strong eye contact, holding cock] Yep. Another one “Would you like to ride with me??”, while batting eyelashes from a bicycle made for one as I was walking to the train station one day when studying in Europe. A few minutes later, after a very *stimulating* ride on the bike, it was “you’re not actually going to go to the station, are you?”, and it was on. Generally they aren’t that subtle when they are being very direct, at least not in… Read more »
It’s interesting to be engaged in similar social situations but view them through the RP lense. My then g/f while at a concert got invited to a “watch party” later in the month of one of her friend’s acquaintances. This was not abnormal for her because she is apart of a large social circle and is constantly getting invited out to things. Sidenote: Interesting to see the other side of things and truly see how opportunistic an attractive female is able to be. Her phone was constantly blowing up w/ her friends inviting her to do things. Good to keep… Read more »
@Catchers: most likely your ex wasn’t as oblivious to the hosts intent as she let on to you.
FR Back in the swing of things last night at the local dance spot. Pumped state w/ the band I linked above while driving to the venue. My state was remarkably better than when I went out dancing last Saturday. As I was walking in a girl was walking out and I smiled as our eyes met but continued inside. Shortly after I arrived on the dance floor she passed my field of vision and stood off to my right as couples danced by. I wanted to get into the flow early and thought she was attractive so asked her… Read more »
” most likely your ex wasn’t as oblivious to the hosts intent as she let on to you.” Yeah the hamster ensured she was going to go… and then… well that’s how things “just happen”… Look at it another way, if he was some super scary creepy guy she was scared to be alone with, she wouldn’t have gone. So there was some door open. These are the signalz… same dynamic as a Girls Night Out… Eggz on parade. My g/f (obliviously) declares she wishes she could watch more episodes to which the host quickly offers her to stay for… Read more »
Catchers
but doesn’t really understand how to DHV so ends up talking about feeling sorry for 13yr old girls beind sold into prostitution by their families (attempt at sexualizing?)
LOL, not sexualizing… white knighting and showing his bleeding heart for female rights… an attempt at rapport. Male Feminist Game.
just got back from a court-mandated meeting regarding the paperwork still needed to finalize the divorce; hopefully the next one in january will be the last and this can finally be over with funny how even with an agreement in which everything is stipulated/uncontested the divorce industry still requires its pound of flesh to ‘allow’ you to get on with your life… two professional adults in their late 40s must slog thru a stranger’s spiels about our personal lives; it’s as fucking un-american as it is galling; I’m sure it’s all rationalized with ennobled intentions like ‘the children’ or ‘betterment… Read more »
Doc
It’s the fourth option. You cant reason it with dog logic.
She wants a break from you and she wants you to feel good about it so she doesn’t have any guilt. Standard girl break up from 8th grade on..
Look through the solopsist’s eyes.
Yes it hurts Dr. Zipper. Going forward it wouldn’t hurt to be “nice” (whatever that means) to your son’s mother. I think your son will respect you for that. It reminds me of BluePillProfessor’s Stage 4 of MRP dread. Withdraw time and attention and resources for previously bad behavior (Operant Condidioning, subject to extinction burst behavior) All of it. You can still in brief moments give affection and presence to your son’s mother. But you are not obligated to. Only if you want to. Self discipline is not self suppression. In your Frame. If you want to. You know and… Read more »
@dr zipper
Something I find useful when attempting to determine a women’s intent is to evaluate which option would be the most selfish of her and just assume that one (as you have.)
Way to hang in there as it sounds like although the relationship is coming to an end legally, it may still be far from over emotionally.
Love is an interesting concept from a woman’s perspective. I tend to think woman use the word “love” more for it’s ability to control and further their goals than to truly appreciate what love means when a man says it.
“She wants a break from you and she wants you to feel good about it so she doesn’t have any guilt.”
I concur.
Love is an interesting concept from a woman’s perspective. I tend to think woman use the word “love” more for it’s ability to control and further their goals than to truly appreciate what love means when a man says it. @Catchers For more perspective on that, read this: https://therationalmale.com/2015/04/14/managing-expectations/ A great deal of men’s frustrations with women finds its root in an equalist expectation of a like-for-like exchange of intimacy. In A New Hope I explained how a man might cast off his former hope for a Blue Pill solution to the problems inherently created by an egalitarian mindset. I… Read more »
I’m fucking going senile. Or tired from waking up at 5:00 to get on stand. And I need to get a continuous glucose monitor I woke up at 3:30 in the morning by myself (no buffers) in my hunting clubhouse (I sensed my dreams were a bit off) and checked my blood sugar. Epic fail: it was 39 mg/dl. Medium sized hurdle.
“For decades, she has accused me of not loving her, which is far from the truth.”
Can’t argue this from Heartiste’s latest post The Mass Neg Effect:
Change the world=change your own world Bottoms Up approach wise. Stop wanting to change them. Change you. You have significant control over You. If you have desire. But it takes effort. Use Effort. Women
whinetalk. Men Do.Timeless advice.
sjf – in my cinematic reference, I am Cypher (BP/RP struggle) and Smith is the devil whispering about the tasty steak; not a direct movie quote, but an extension of the concept; thanks for fucking it up lol but about this…. “She wants a break from you and she wants you to feel good about it so she doesn’t have any guilt.” at first I strongly disagreed and started furiously typing y’all’s comeuppance but since I value sent’s, your’s and catcher’s input, I stopped and chewed on it for a while so the break part doesn’t make sense, we’ve been… Read more »
It would be better if men would just develop more savvy as to not be fooled and distracted by makeup in the first place.
Lol, none of this stuff is any kind of ” secret ” that women are using. They do it right out in the open daily. The webz and televisions across America are festooned with the products.
Pay. Attention.
And for my money, if one changes the world because he’s enraged at women, lmao, he’d hold the record for Beta-Cuck-Simpletonism.
It’s like being bated into a fistfight by a 5 year old.
Jesus….
Doc
For your own health.. And moving forward, at least hold out the possibility a woman will act in ways that have nothing at all to do with you. Logic dictates some quid pro quo or ulterior motive, but they don’t think like that. It’s always about the most pressing feeling at the current moment…
That is the point of looking at Option 4.
Now this is a feature not a bug when you flip it around with the understanding of Game.
“It’s like being bated into a fistfight by a 5 year old.”
OK, so I took a nasty roundhouse in the knee, but in the end I won, and that’s the important thing.
Doc
“so the break part doesn’t make sense”
Break meaning the divorce. Split. Etc.
@Dr. Zipper “…getting me to feel okay about the whole shitstorm (to relieve her guilt) does make sense, but not on its own; getting me to feel good about it is just the first step to getting to be ‘friends’ and I know her well enough that she’s not shy about leaning on others to get what she wants… When field reports of LTR’s get posted, there is perhaps another 90% of things that are behind that curtain, that you know but we don’t know. That’s what was behind The YaReally conundrum and universality of Red Pill thoughts. And why… Read more »
@zipper spergy numbered statement breakdown follows, lol… 1. Your ex wants to keep her options open in case you raise your SMV or win the lottery. 2. You obviously still have a lot of anger towards her. 3. It is in your best interests to game your ex because divorces, in some ways, are never final…kids, inheritance, lawsuits, kids weddings, grandkids, etc. 4. Catering to your rage feels good in the short term but is against your long term interests. 5. Nobody said that being a man was easy. 6. Your ex will make an excellent practice target for improving… Read more »
gotcha sent, thx
Feelings are always about the one who is perceiving the feeling.
“She wants a break from you and she wants you to feel good about it so she doesn’t have any guilt.” so the break part doesn’t make sense, we’ve been operating on bare minimum interactions for 10 mos and she’s been living elsewhere for almost 3 mos; getting me to feel okay about the whole shitstorm (to relieve her guilt) does make sense, but not on its own; getting me to feel good about it is just the first step to getting to be ‘friends’ and I know her well enough that she’s not shy about leaning on others to… Read more »
I must be coming across differently than I imagine — a common human failing lol for my son’s sake, I am always polite and courteous to the ex; no bad-mouthing her or negativity; and I get the same from her; she’s actually a fantastic mom and I’m so glad I didn’t mis-choose on that one; we’ve already had our words and now it’s nothing but business between us, other than the texts/emails I brought up earlier; ‘how will this affect my son?’ is my overarching question when I have choices to make on these matters… it really helps focus and… Read more »
“I do tend to step back into anger from time to time when something comes up to remind me of everything”
We can’t fix normal.
I enjoy your commentary and wish you the best of navigating the being good at being a man and father waters.
We got to get you a woman.
Good luck and mastery to you.
@dr zipper
Prepare yourself for the days leading up to receiving the divorce decree. Although right now you’re looking forward to receiving it I’d be willing to be emotions will be running high between the two of you.
The finality of it all seems procedural at this point but will become much more visceral as the day approaches.
I know catcher… it’s scheduled for early Jan…. immediately after the first holiday season apart as a family…. ever
and the first time she and I haven’t spent it together in 17 yrs
a year to the day after she made her move… can’t make this shit up
right now it’s all over but the cryin’
@ dr zipper
Hang in and don’t let them get you down.
As a follow up to my last FR … Tried setting something up w/ her for this weekend but she’s going out of town for the holidays. She offers up tomorrow night (“might be able to”) or when she gets back from traveling in a week. I’m all booked up tomorrow night so my only option is to reengage after the holidays. I let her know that tomorrow won’t work and end it with “see ya on the dance floor”. My intent was to keep it cordial and open but was unwilling to set anything up that far in advance… Read more »
Catchers How would you have played this? Your text exchange was fine… the issue you ran into was set the other night ” I give her a hug and sense there was more on the table should I have made the move. Looking back she was ready for at least some kissing if not more. She texts me immediately then calls me while I’m driving home but immediately hangs up so it shows up as a missed call.’ You helped her sort yourself… Her “moment of discernment” was had. She “threw herself at you” and you sent her off with… Read more »
thoughts on this infield?
Hey guys I wanted to share a kind of Field Report with you here. I would love to hear comments and I thought if this helps anyone on here not commit the blunders I did, it would serve some purpose. Just to give you some cultural background, this is from India. Typical Mistakes of a Beta Guy (Trying to Unplug) I am writing this report for future reference to ensure that I never commit these mistakes again.This article is about how I fucked up after the first date, with as of now, the hottest girl I have managed to get… Read more »
Gambler92: First, read these: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/ Then think about how this could have improved your chances for another date. Next, don’t feel compelled to reply to texts 1:1 with a girl especially after a great date. Imagine if you had not texted her at all until mid week the next week and told her you were doing x and she should join you? Her mind would have been running wild trying to rationalize why you hadn’t texted her yet! Also, start spinning more plates and a lot of this behavior (if not all) will subside. You were too focused on this… Read more »
Mackay
Weird guy rambles at girl, she says IHABF, he does not get number… looks at her private instagram and walks away…
You could do this.
Re the video posted by Mackay above. I’m always amazed at how wooden, unnatural and stiff the guys in a lot of pickup videos appear. James Marshall seems to be and exception. It’s so apparent that he’s trying to talk to the woman as opposed to actually just talking to her. If this is 100% real, what videos like this confirm for me is that a lot of women will be polite and somewhat engaging never if the guy happens to come off like a mannequin that sprung to life. I assume that’s where the guy will make or break… Read more »
@CatchersIndifference co-sign Sentient… My then g/f while at a concert got invited to a “watch party” later in the month of one of her friend’s acquaintances. when i first read this i had a completely different understanding…lol check your FI-induced internal dialog… Luckily he was focused on cooking for most of the time and I already knew both girls well so we had a great conversation. luckily?…why so?… was this guy really a ‘threat’?…lol… was the ex-gf really the prize?… the FI wants that to be true… ooor are YOU the prize?… I shoot him a glance that could cut… Read more »
Regarding James Marshall vs the guy in Mkays vid (also a pickup coach) I feel as though the main difference is that James Marshall would have given up much sooner. I saw one of his vids the other day, and the girl was just not talking back, and James said ”Well, I can see that you’re not interested so see ya. Have a nice day” whereas this guy seems to be all about ‘ploughing’ and telling stories etc in trying to get her to ‘hook’ I’m not sure which is ‘correct’. I know that I have tended to ‘give up’… Read more »
Scars mackay Blax The difference between James Marshall and this guy is James is not putting out videos titles “Waiting For Train Pick Up” showing no pick up… This guy is coming off as a sperg who is embroiled in the “PUA” identity and high fiving himself because he opened and talked to a girl… and walked away with nothing. #winning???? I don’t think so. Sperg Warning – yes it is fine to get blown out, not hook, get shut down, told to go fuck off [yup] etc. That is part of the process. It is NOT ok to film… Read more »
A-I-D-A. Attention, Interest, Decision, Action. Attention – Do I have you attention? Interest – Are you interested? I know you are, because it’s fuck or walk. You close or you hit the bricks. Decision – Have you made your decision, for Christ? And Action. A-I-D-A. Get out there – you got the prospects coming in. You think they came in to get out of the rain? A guy don’t walk on the lot lest he wants to buy. They’re sitting out there waiting to give you their money. Are you gonna take it? Are you man enough to take it?… Read more »
@mackay
He reminds me of either a part time sales operator pushing some cheap toy right before Christmas or a member of some little cult trying hard to give away tracts. If that man asked me for directions to a train platform or info kiosk, etc. and nothing more with that demeanor I’d help him out of politeness but would not want him following me around the station. It’s that uncalibrated.
dr. zipper Let me join other men in supporting you for putting your son first. As difficult as it will be sometimes it is right, and worth the pain and effort. Reading through your reports of the ongoing dissolution I have one question to ask. First, this: – maybe she just does want to be friendly and nothing more, for our son – she regrets the breakup and is testing the waters or trying to make inroads to getting back together – she still doesn’t want to get back together, but would like to be able to ‘call on a… Read more »
habd, et al – I think I’m getting tripped up on the ‘game your ex’ advice; I don’t want to game her in the same sense that a pua in a club would game a girl… different goal; my goal is to keep her at a business distance… no calling on me to do shit for her, no hanging out, nothing but ‘please and thanks yous’ while we raise our boy I sure as fuck don’t want to give an impression that there’s hope of us getting back together, that’s cruel to both her and my son; I don’t care… Read more »
@blacx
I guess he wouldn’t talk too his friends quite like that, but then his friends would presumably talk back. I guess he’s just ‘ploughing’, trying to give her hooks so that she’ll talk back. And yes, It seems that most girls will tolerate someone just talking too them for a little while, although not during the night. If this was in a bar, she’d have just walked away almost straight away, I think
@sent – I’m pleased you have that faith in me! thanks
“From your latest reports I will guess – only a guess – that your general demeanor, your subcommunications, are not the best. Especially when you are around her.”
I don’t get that vibe at all. I think Zipper is having the best agency he can at the moment. Even for asking for advice he gets an A for effort.
Time, distance and (good) distraction(s) gets him moving along to get out the Anger Phase.
Actually, thank you for asking Dr. Zipper. It’s a good discussion. And for a good cause.
@Dr. Zipper: ” . . . my curtness and refusal to engage on anything else is enforcing a hard boundary and making our ‘relationship’ on my terms, which is strictly business now, nothing more….”
Sounds good to me.
@ Mackay OK, I watched the video a 2nd time ( and I’ll never get that time back..). I’m in agreement with sentient and ar. But the idea that one can just vomit up word soup and ” hook ” a chick with it’s awesome randomness is a mostly losing proposition. I know that the teaching says that you can say anything as long as you’re talking and she’s responsive, but there should be some escalation, boyfriend or not, even if it’s not totally sexual ( although that’s ideal if your actually trying to pickup a woman as opposed to… Read more »
that guys game is nowhere near as good as the evolutiondaily dude, if we’re talking daygame. (i’d love a bootcamp with him, but not with that train station dude) – Although, i’d be surprised if anyone was able to actually ‘hook’ that girl. some girls aren’t interested in talking to random dudes.
@dr zipper habd, et al – I think I’m getting tripped up on the ‘game your ex’ advice; I don’t want to game her in the same sense that a pua in a club would game a girl… different goal; my goal is to keep her at a business distance… no calling on me to do shit for her, no hanging out, nothing but ‘please and thanks yous’ while we raise our boy ya, that idea that ‘game your ex’ is for the exclusive purpose of getting to sex/relationship is the FI pushing on you… i think i understand your… Read more »
HABD has the best post
HABD
and to also avoid spinning up a guard dog situ…
You know you are going to have to explain that…
Re: waiting for train + other London day game guys
http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/8/#comment-rationalmale-168323