Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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OldTimePoster
OldTimePoster
1 month ago

FR On an entirely unrelated Red Pill note: Not a surprise to anyone here, but I still find it so cool that RP ideas just work out so perfectly in real life. It’s been a little while since my wife and I last had sex. Not too long and no problems between us – just a combination of her being sick, guests in the house for a long visit and logistics being bad etc. This weekend I came back exhausted from a martial arts class and gave my wife a hug and a kiss and went to shower. She didn’t… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

hmmmm…. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/revolution-has-begun-75000-brits-stop-paying-power-bills-amid-inflation-storm where have i heard something something about october before?… lol… if (when) this^^^ kicks off, the .gov loses complete control of the illusion that they are in control… of anything… AND there won’t be any energy in the system… buut how long does it take to disconnect 75k (much less 1M…lol)?… and can .gov even do that with DIY hook-into-the-grid solutions…lol this is likely in anticipation of https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-09/uk-braces-for-blackouts-gas-cuts-in-january-in-emergency-plan .gov is already predicting energy shortfalls…lol… not to mention inflation putting heat out of reach for most folks… @OTP make a cypto that heats folks’ homes…lol… that’s gonna be a… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@HABD hmmmm…. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/revolution-has-begun-75000-brits-stop-paying-power-bills-amid-inflation-storm where have i heard something something about october before?… lol… Dunno why I think October, but I do. if (when) this^^^ kicks off, the .gov loses complete control of the illusion that they are in control… of anything… AND there won’t be any energy in the system… Non payment won’t immediately cause a problem, they’ll invent munny. buut how long does it take to disconnect 75k (much less 1M…lol)?… Years, firstly they don’t have the engineers. And it should go through court first anyway. So They’d need emergency legislation. Which they can do. And then did I… Read more »

Flying Circus
Flying Circus
1 month ago

@Sentient @OldTimePoster @PalmaSailor @HABD I did the exercise @HABD suggested. It was so eye opening I expanded it to my other posts. I’ve done a lot of thinking and I’ve come to the conclusion they reek of the FI. A year ago I wouldn’t have written them, today I wouldn’t, but I’m glad I did write them. Obvious my frame is bent and needs to be straightened out. Once upon a time when I had elders somewhere along the line one of them would have sat me down and reminded me that life’s a bitch and then you die and… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

I’m lucky not to be growing tits.

😆🤣😂

That’s the spirit.

FlushedTheBluePills
FlushedTheBluePills
1 month ago

So guys, I’ve “Geomaxxed” for several years now and have now found myself in Mexico as a white American guy. I’ve been hitting the gym and I have a good job that lets me travel, and I don’t even have to pretend when it comes to chick crack, as I’ve spent weeks in the Amazon drinking ayahuasca and all that. However, I’ve always been a real beta in mindset. I’ve recently jumped from being Peterson-pilled to truly Red-pilled (after a 48 hour stint of black-pill videos thankfully lead my to Rollo). Long story short, I’ll be asking nuanced questions here… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@FlushedTheBluePills j, is that you, bro?…lol just kidding…lol are you just trolling us or are you serious? I’ll assume that you are serious bc you rep a certain demo that really does need massive help…. so know this… i’m going to push your buttons… you will NOT like it… but you DO need it… “So guys, I’ve “Geomaxxed” for several years now and have now found myself in Mexico as a white American guy.” had to look up geomaxxing…lol… it’s a massive cope… and right now, you don’t even have the capacity to understand why… “I’ve been hitting the gym… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@FTBP Welcome to fantasy island where anything is possible lol… So guys, I’ve “Geomaxxed” for several years now and have now found myself in Mexico as a white American guy. I’ve been hitting the gym and I have a good job that lets me travel, and I don’t even have to pretend when it comes to chick crack, as I’ve spent weeks in the Amazon drinking ayahuasca and all that. However, I’ve always been a real beta in mindset. Well it looks like that blue pill mindset has changed. I’ve recently jumped from being Peterson-pilled to truly Red-pilled (after a… Read more »

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FlushedTheBluePills
FlushedTheBluePills
1 month ago

@having a bad day (reply button isn’t working) I don’t think I’m in as bad a situation as you’ve made it out to be, but I do have much to learn. That’ll forever be the case. I think your interpretation comes from some misunderstanding. I’ve dabbled in a lot of psychedelics and spiritual communities, so I can appeal to people’s interests in the mystical because I’ve had actual mystical experiences. I see that as an advantage. And yes, a lot of what JBP says I think is good advice and true, or close to truth. But I’m 30 now, so… Read more »

Bradley Stone
1 month ago

@PalmaSailor Thanks for replying. I’m definitely not going to the gym with the explicit goal of hitting on women, they just happen to be there. I stand out because Caucasians don’t typically go there. We’re not very common in this city. But what you say makes sense, it’ll be difficult to cold approach in a gym mid-workout. There are only two places where I’d really be able to approach, which is the locker area and the lobby, both of which are quite small. About geomaxxing, I’ve had this conversation so many times it’s really quite exhausting. I’m not running from… Read more »

Flushedthebluepills
Flushedthebluepills
1 month ago

Ah apologies, I mean relations with women in the US.

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@FTBP/BS @having a bad day (reply button isn’t working) I don’t think I’m in as bad a situation as you’ve made it out to be, but I do have much to learn. That’ll forever be the case. after i read this comment, i would agree… this makes you sound less ‘incel-ish’…lol… buut, then you get to this “Why wouldn’t I live somewhere where I have more expendable income, I’m taller, more exotic, more highly educated, and less hated for the mere fact of being a straight white male?” which is the pov of an average ‘incel’/omega/beta… none of that^^^ sh*t… Read more »

OldTimePoster
OldTimePoster
1 month ago

@FTBP/BS Welcome to TRM – stick around. You’ll learn a lot and this place can use the increased traffic since some of the regulars stopped posting during COVID. First – if BS is actually your real name – stop posting with it. You don’t need to post any information here that can lead to you getting doxxed – all the other details are fine, especially since you don’t need to identify the exact city where you live but pls don’t use your real name. Second – you’re getting great advice from HABD and Palma, but I’m going to re explain… Read more »

Flushedthebluepills
Flushedthebluepills
1 month ago

@having a bad day, thanks for the reply. What is DHV? Also, I get what you’re saying, that’s all within the wrong frame. The feminist frame, I suppose. I think that’s what you meant by that Matrix quote. Pretty sure I’ve had “desire” sex before. But it didn’t last, usually when I began behaving in a Beta way again. And naturally, the more of an asshole I was, the more I pushed someone away, the more interested they were in me, unless I explicitly told them we both needed to be in an open relationship, which I think was actually… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@HABD

ok, so you are above the average on lay count… which is 7 lifetime…

I’m sure you’re right, but…… really? Is that right?

7?

Seems about right for a boys week in the sun, but Lifetime?!?!?!

Jeeeszzzz….

That just isn’t enough for any man to understand what they’re dealing with…. In fact it’s danger level..

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FlushedTheBluePills
FlushedTheBluePills
1 month ago

@PalmaSailor
You’re talking about individual people or just the total number of times you’ve been all the way with someone? Seems pretty high to me, nine partners, considering the age we live in.

FlushedTheBluePills
FlushedTheBluePills
1 month ago

Also, how are you guys editing your posts? I can’t change anything in my comments here.

OldTimePoster
OldTimePoster
1 month ago

Palma it’s correct. I did some googling and the data is quite messy (self-reported and all that), but around 6-7 lifetime sexual partners for American men seems to be about right in the terms of the data – hard to know how reliable it is. Also women appear to be closer to 4.

Obviously there’s probably a fair few incel types bringing the average down as well as a statistically small number of men driving it up…

OldTimePoster
OldTimePoster
1 month ago

On the other hand I just read another survey which says 26 for men and 19 for women for US men and women under 30. That seems a bit more realistic but it doesn’t match with other surveys showing that the average n count is trending down over the last 30 years..basically I think the data is too messy and hard to tell

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@PalmaSailor

I remember @Rollo writing 7 but this

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n-keystat.htm#numberlifetime

says less… and that includes blowjob’s…lol

and not counting virgins…

good luck!

FlushedTheBluePills
FlushedTheBluePills
1 month ago

@OldTimePoster Thanks for the warm welcome. Not sure how to edit comments or names, or delete comments. I don’t see any option to do that, and WordPress support hasn’t been helpful so far. But that’s not my real name. I’m def in a good place, people consider me cool depending on the context and how I carry myself (generally the more genuinely nonchalant I am about my situation, the more people seem to point out my coolness. Ignoring all your strengths and accomplishments in order for that to be recognized in other people is pretty annoying when I give it… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@FTBP @PalmaSailor
You’re talking about individual people or just the total number of times you’ve been all the way with someone? Seems pretty high to me, nine partners, considering the age we live in. Erm… right… well… and I’m past thinking you’re trolling, but did you say that ^^ ? You think it may be that I might be talking about “the number of times I’ve been all the way with someone”? Errrr. No. In anything like a decent sexual “relationship” (and I use that term loosely), you can expect depending on your age (because recovery period) to be banging at… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

….

women you want decide to stick with you.

Actually if you handle them properly, they won’t leave. Because they won’t want to leave. In their own way, they can’t actually leave. It isn’t possible for them. Though that sounds mad, it isn’t when you fundamentally understand what’s happening, and why

OldTimePoster
OldTimePoster
1 month ago

Small FR from me after a long time but I thought the ending was interesting and couldn’t quite figure out why she did that. Stepped out for lunch from my office (alone). Quite a nice pizza place. One of the waitresses is Asian, early 20s. Nice slim body, not super pretty but pleasant and nice smile. A solid 6. Maybe touching a 7 if she made an effort and put on makeup etc. Her English is perfect but not from here – judging from her accent I’d say SE Asian – most likely Singaporean or Malaysian. I didn’t get a… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@OTP

I don’t quite understand why that ended the way it did. For once it wasn’t me ejecting early..

https://tenor.com/view/gibbsslap-ncis-anthonydinozzo-gif-5368204

good luck!

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

lets try that again…lol
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good luck!

OldTimePoster
OldTimePoster
1 month ago

Sorry HABD 🙁 Normally when I fuck up I know what happened but here I don’t get it. She was clearly super attracted from the beginning (even when I was ordering etc). I can only think of two possibilities: -I overstimulated her and pumped her attraction too high and spiked her emotions at the end with the teasing without giving her enough comfort and she overloaded on emotion and kind of ran away – my fault for not calibrating properly but I honestly didn’t think a gentle tease like that would do it (for the old timers who remember the… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@Ftbp @having a bad day, thanks for the reply. you’re here for help… it’s what we do…lol… and understand… every man here wants the best for you… not kidding… sooo, don’t ghost just bc it gets uncomfortable… stick around and keep working on it… tough love is still love…lol What is DHV? Display High Value… tends to trigger a girl’s AF/arousal… Also, I get what you’re saying, that’s all within the wrong frame. The feminist frame, I suppose. not really… just ‘not your frame’… MPoO = Mental Point of Origin… = masculine frame is within YOU… I think that’s what… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

OTP

Or…

You didn’t lead this anyplace so she spazzed out after throwing herself at you… 😉

Next time, when a girl probes for logistics you probe to, and use it to lead to something

Her: Do you live around here?

STUD with Baby Arm Holding and Apple: blah blah. You live around here?

Her: whatever, I live at xyz.

SWBAHAA: That’s great. I’m around there a lot. Give me your number and we can grab a drink next time I’m over that way.

What did we say about windows?

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@OTP

OTP

Or…

You didn’t lead this anyplace so she spazzed out after throwing herself at you… 😉

+1…

name ONE time in the whole interaction you didn’t answer with a boring logical (non-AF) response…lol.. and. she was working HARD to flirt with you…lol

and now tell the class where on the doll you didn’t get touched…lol

good luck!

NNN1
NNN1
1 month ago

Had to look up some statistics about n-count and it appears to me that the data is just bs. Because the question is tied to your value AS A HUMAN BEING. Because men and wonen are defined by how well they can attract sexual partners and that pressure only increases since society has sex written all over it. But two points to take here: 1. It appears men and women have less than 10 sexual partners over the course of their lives. 2. At least in Germany I remember having read that my generation has drastically less sex / sexual… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@NNN1 It appears men and women have less than 10 sexual partners over the course of their lives. No it’s a range, granted it’s skewed to the lower numbers but a lot of men (and women) are well above 100, probably 200. That’s without superstar status. Just ordinary men who for instance have had 25 active years at more or less a different one each month. Or two on a good weekend. It’s not really a big deal to achieve that as long as you can recognise the signs and pull the trigger. Understand also that it’s not really a… Read more »

OldTimePoster
OldTimePoster
1 month ago

Thanks guys. Suitably understood. This is what happens when I stop practicing and get out of the groove – the reflexes go and cannot notice and act quickly enough on the windows opening. @NNN1 btw – surprisingly good examples of what Palma is talking about can be seen in Reddit “true erotic stories” (lol) subs like r/sluttyconfessions and r/gonewildstories. Of course a lot of those stories are BS and/or written men pretending to be women and other fantasists. But enough of them are real/feel real and plausible based on my personal experiences that they are a good reminder of just… Read more »

FlushedTheBluePills
FlushedTheBluePills
1 month ago

@PalmaSailor You’ll call this conditioning, but where I’m from I think you’d be thrown into a pit of hungry Dobermans if you moved in for the kiss like that. @PalmaSailor Trolling you? I think you’re using game on me. Can’t turn it off or what? Speaking of which, I noticed when the only woman at the table left the other night (with her BF), all the remaining men centered in on me (I’m the only foreign white person left in the room). It felt like I was in an alpha position, and they were shit-testing me like women might. They… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

OTP Thanks guys. Suitably understood. This is what happens when I stop practicing and get out of the groove – the reflexes go and cannot notice and act quickly enough on the windows opening. Whoa whoa whoa hoss. Not so fast. This isn’t simply a matter of rust and missing a window. This is about YOU and what YOU are doing aforethought. And what is that? You should know by know what leading is, you can’t just say you were having a laugh. If your having a laugh, say that up front. Otherwise, have a plan right? She’s working so… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Flush

I’m from I think you’d be thrown into a pit of hungry Dobermans if you moved in for the kiss like that.

And so it begins…

The Work(tm) 💪

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

So there’s still room for romance here.

Warning ⚠️⚠️⚠️

Game /= Red Pill Intersexual dynamics

Mystery, St. Mystery, for all his accomplishments and understanding, repeatedly fucked up his life with these kinds of romantic blue pill notions…

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@OTP That was Thursday lunchtime, and today is Friday and she’s probably working today as well, so now you’ve had your refresher homework course you can go back and do it properly..lol.. @Flushed You’ll call this conditioning, but where I’m from I think you’d be thrown into a pit of hungry Dobermans if you moved in for the kiss like that. You think or you’ve been conditioned to “stay in your lane or there will be consequences”. Trolling you? I think you’re using game on me. Can’t turn it off or what? It’s not consciously on or off Speaking of… Read more »

NNN1
NNN1
1 month ago

it’s a range, granted it’s skewed to the lower numbers but a lot of men (and women) are well above 100, probably 200 For sure, there are that extreme players – and we’re all here to get there. Some are already there, some are partly there and some are not nearly there. It’s because those dudes with zero to very low n count are most abundant that we see this low lifetime mean n. This is a poisson distribution https://www.fromthegenesis.com/probability-distribution-poisson/ and we undrestand that even though there are some humans banging different ones every day and night, the mean is… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@NNN1 This wasn’t meant as a dig at you Just the fact I opened more than 1 set last party night set me above 30 to 50% of males at the place. Correct it did and well done for that. And the first step is the most difficult. In almost everything in life. It’s not the physical step that’s difficult you understand but the prior mental masturbation and the ego investment damage that failure would bring… etc… So yeah, actually, you are indeed probably about 5% er… the only ones at your age doing better don’t know they’re doing it,… Read more »

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stuffinbox
1 month ago

@NNN1

Dont sweat the small stuff, half the people in Germania have a vagina they want filled in and the other half have a dick they want to fill something with. Since nonchalance and social proof are more important than looks to the 50% with the vajna you will soon be using that towel to clean up after secks.

NNN1
NNN1
1 month ago

@Palma ans @SIB This wasn’t meant digging at anyone here either. I just had to think about the tragedy of so many dudes’ lives. I hope you know how much this place is appreciated, not just by me, but by many. I was referring however to my experience at the last party, I postet that FR on Sunday I think. And I’m gonna go out today again. In between I was working on the barn I started renovating last summer break. Now is the paint job, but that still takes alot of time, considering how much area is there. Plus… Read more »

FlushedTheBluePills
FlushedTheBluePills
1 month ago

Do any of you know a better way to manage the comments section? All this strolling & page-turning & manual data entry and pseudo-tagging and lack of threading, it’s so non-intuitive. There’s not even a basic functional search tool. I don’t know, maybe that makes the info more valuable because you have to work for it, really mine for the data, haha. Back to RP. First, two field reports. Then, a question about friendships and staying in contact with people. Field Report 1: A week ago, I’m at a Meetup. A girl I thought was maybe a 5 seemed interested… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@NNN1 I hope you know how much this place is appreciated, not just by me, but by many. Yeah I know I enjoy it too. @Rollo provides it. Now travel sanctions have been lifted (I can get there without the jab) I’m gonna be in my favourite place on my own for four days – old town Palma de Mallorca arriving on the 14th and leaving on the 18th September. I want to clear my head, and I want some time out on my own. Off chance you can get a student budget flight and an air bnb you’re welcome… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@Flushed. Got a spare half hour., This is hard, don’t take it personally, honestly it isn’t personal. But it’s just just got “neediness” all over it and she can’t get away quick enough because of that. You haven’t actually absorbed any of Mystery right now. Field Report 1: A week ago, I’m at a Meetup. A girl I thought was maybe a 5 Ok you gotta start somewhere seemed interested in my conversation and changed her seat to get next to me, and I thought she was making a lot of light indicators of interest. There was at least one… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@Flushed Do any of you know a better way to manage the comments section? All this strolling & page-turning & manual data entry and pseudo-tagging and lack of threading, it’s so non-intuitive. There’s not even a basic functional search tool. i don’t think so… that’s why i cut and paste what i am responding to… I don’t know, maybe that makes the info more valuable because you have to work for it, really mine for the data, haha. the info is all easily available… right at the top of the page… or in @Rollo’s book(s)… get the first one ASAP…… Read more »

OldTimePoster
OldTimePoster
1 month ago

@Sentient – yes, exactly. It’s kind of circular – I didn’t have a plan, because I was out of the groove, and stuck inside my own head (and have been for the better part of a couple years or more since I stopped the blitzes before moving to Asia and coming back). As a result, when something actually happened – not in groove, no plan, freeze up (kind of like those Youtube videos of guys getting surprise punched on the street when they are not expecting it). Solution: to train myself to be “always on” like you used to tell… Read more »

FlushedTheBluePills
FlushedTheBluePills
1 month ago

@PalmaSailor Don’t worry. I don’t take it personally. I know you guys are taking the time to share your thoughts with me. I’m aware I come off as needy. That translates to the nice version of women and other people telling me I need to “be more confident.” Yeah, she looked a bit better the first night I met her, but I’ve been going to the gym and taking supplements, so my testosterone is pretty boosted right now (not steroids, don’t panic). As a caveat, I don’t know if it’s intermittent fasting or getting old, but I haven’t felt any… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@Flushed I didn’t know the term BB at the time You didn’t know the term BB a week ago? He can’t be an AF. Otherwise, she wouldn’t have gone to the event alone But you did know about the term AF? As part of the above, I wanted to keep her in my frame and deliberately tried to make discomfort/assertive. I didn’t want to come off as a nice guy. And the concept of frame and the nice guy theory.. I wanted to do something ballsy, wanted to ask someone out who wasn’t just a dude trying to milk me… Read more »

FlushedTheBluePills
FlushedTheBluePills
1 month ago

@having a bad day Did she do anything to earn this attention and invite besides have a pssy?…* Nah, I didn’t find her particularly interesting. She was ok company, and I’m trying to make friends here. Though to be honest, after going out tonight and ending up eating alone at a busy bar full of couples, and then approaching a group of all girls but one punk guy and them stone-walling me and being unable to communicate in Spanish, it cranks up the neediness factor. explication is almost always bad for you… Yeah. Noted. At this point, she probably saw… Read more »

FlushedTheBluePills
FlushedTheBluePills
1 month ago

@PalmaSailor

Guys, I’m not trolling. Who has time to make this shit up? You’re misunderstanding, I’m using the terms now because I am learning the terms, I’m trying to speak your lingo. I had some basic understanding of these concepts before using the lingo, and I’m reframing the knowledge now after reading/ listening to all this new material. That’s the point of using all these acronyms, to save time when talking about lumps of concepts, right?

OhFuckItYouKnowWhoIAm
OhFuckItYouKnowWhoIAm
1 month ago

I’m going to give this a bit more time, but it seems I’ve stumbled across a vacuum and this is how you deal with newcomers. Apologies if I don’t have enough value to add. I get you’re not counselors, but my counselor’s a bit blue pilled, so I was hoping to get some guidance from somewhere. Looks like we really are out here on our own.

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@Flushed Guys, I’m not trolling. Ok if you say so. If I were you I’d wait until the time zones roll and see what the others say, they’ll all have a opinion and it’s quite possible I’m wrong. And you’re right you are spending a long time on it so on balance, you shouldn’t be trolling. I’m using the terms now because I am learning the terms, I’m trying to speak your lingo. My first thought was that you were a really good Bot that had had grabbed all the RP terms and thrown a word salad of all of… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@Ftbp

chill…

I thought you were a bot at a couple points too…lol

you’re getting wound up is actually good… no I’m not kidding… you are starting to break free from your social conditioning and that’s what it feels like… the term is cognitive dissonance…

no time today for any big responses… sooo, just read more…

and do keep playing… even if nobody else here helps you (they will) I will… even if you are trolling… or a bot…lol… you rep a certain demo that needs help… you could be their case study…lol

good luck!

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Palma

Yeah I was getting troll vibes as well, classic form, “yes, but…”.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Though the key diligence question wasn’t asked or answered…

Flush – where are you on the Autism spectrum, 1 to 5?

stuffinbox
1 month ago

@ FlushedTheBluePills So many men are flushing the blue pills they are showing up in the drinking water! Boiling it doesnt help,maybe a sawyer mini? Swallowing the ‘red pill’ TRP can be a total paradigm shift that makes men trip over their own shoelaces.Tie your shoes before you go out then check the knots before you open your mouth. One of the biggest stumbling blocks for a noobie is getting wrapped around the axle or lost in inner space. Just get out and have a good time and try to see the objective view unatached to the outcome. HABD, Palma,… Read more »

stuffinbox
1 month ago

Some thoughts on picking up women in the gym… This was originally male space ,a training ground they are invading. Rollo did a poast on spaces or the places set aside for sexual interaction in our new social order. The gym isn’t one. Hitting on women there doesn’t work mainly because of the social aspect they bring and they know they need a shower and deodarent before they are attractive to the type of men they want. Strange that they work out to be more attractive yet shun guys that are attracted to muscle girls. Sideling up to Gym Rats… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

So the time zones have revolved and Mexico is in daylight and crickets.

Is that what it is now for 30 somethings?

A bit of adversity and run for the hills?

Sheesh it’s bad out there. I’m not sure but I might feel more sorry for the women, those ones that aren’t mad feminists anyway.

Actually scratch that, he already ran away before he even started. That’s what geomaxxing is. Dunno why I expected anything else.

Last edited 1 month ago by PalmaSailor
Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Palma “Geomaxing” is not even a cope. If you are a first world guy in a second or third world country you will simply be swarmed by pros and semi pros. You will have a ton of women looking for you to buy them drinks and meals and clothes… the idea that you will go there and be ignored by women and needing to learn game to interact with them because you are all alone is complete bullshit… Like John Anthony paying for chick’s in Columbia etc. You have to beat them off with a stick. So the geomax is… Read more »

OldTimePoster
OldTimePoster
1 month ago

@Sentient lol – I just googled “John Anthony” cos I hadn’t heard of him and what came up was a 21 Convention talk about “Journey to Bang 1000 women” I don’t have the time to watch the talk now – I’ll save it for when I need a laugh, but what is the point of 1000 women unless you are actually a sex addict with psych issues (I mean, if it happens naturally over decades of an active sex life that’s one thing, but what’s thie point obsessing over an artificial goal like that?) It doesn’t really do anything for… Read more »

FlushedTheBluePills
FlushedTheBluePills
1 month ago

I posted this morning from my phone, they didn’t come through. Tried it again via the laptop, same problem. I’ve figured it out. One of you, a moderator, or the algorithm flagged my email as spam. If it was one of you, well, that’s a huge shame. It’s Karen Facebook group-level exclusion, it suggests this place is a vacuum. So to respond again, I’m not a troll or a bot, but I won’t waste time proving it. I don’t know where I am on the autism spectrum, probably nowhere. I have autistic friends and we get along, but that’s probably… Read more »

OldTimePoster
OldTimePoster
1 month ago

@FTBP – stick around, seriously. We won’t baby you here and sometimes we can be harsh (you should see some of the feedback I’ve got in the last few years) and you will find the advice extremely uncomfortable because it will challenge your identity and your preconceptions and self-image and will NOT be easy or what you want to hear but all of us (even Palma and Sentient who both put in a lot of their time into giving you advice) want to help you to learn and become a better man – because every single one of us owes… Read more »

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

” . . . the trolls can go fuck themselves.”

You have encountered no trolls here.

” . . . or the algorithm flagged my email as spam.”

The algorithm is set to filter . . . bots.

“It’s Karen . . .”

Literally Karen is our most infamous bot.

FlushedTheBluePills-test
FlushedTheBluePills-test
1 month ago

Ok guys, I’m legit unable to post here anymore, messages from both emails are disappearing and I haven’t received any explanation via email about that. It really does seem like I’m being moderated.

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

Field Report. So to preface, I’ve decided to stick with this not just to get laid. I’m in my damn 30s, I have other aspirations that cut deeper than that, I’m far more self-actualized than I was at 20. I’m doing this also to continue that process of self-actualization. Not sure what you folks call that around here. Meta-pill? I decided to text that girl I had that terrible outing with. Went well, I think. Waited a few days to text, said “you’re definitely right, that wasn’t a date.” and joked that real dates are more fun, and joked that… Read more »

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

Field Report. So to preface, I’ve decided to stick with this not just to get laid. I’m in my damn 30s, I have other aspirations that cut deeper than that, I’m far more self-actualized than I was at 20. I’m doing this also to continue that process of self-actualization. Not sure what you folks call that around here. Meta-pill? I decided to text that girl I had that terrible outing with. Went well, I think. Waited a few days to text, said “you’re definitely right, that wasn’t a date.” and joked that real dates are more fun, and joked that… Read more »

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

Pt 2, I go to that event. Early on I’m talkative with a lot of people, the night goes quite well tbh. But at the end of the table is this Colombian girl and she looks at me several times. Later that night she approaches me as I’m talking to some people. All the guys kind of circle her, one calls her cute, he tries his luck all night. I turn myself away from her often, pay less attention, do my best to look less interested. Man it’s a tough balance, I may have overdid it, not sure yet. Later… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

Now my reply got a red spam mod response…. Something is hitting the system… @Sentient the idea that you will go there and be ignored by women and needing to learn game to interact with them because you are all alone is complete bullshit… I hadn’t actually made that link bc our current correspondent says he’s in Mexico. I went to Cancun with the second wife 20 years ago, and the resort was very up market and not overtly like that, but I was blue pill. But we didn’t really set foot outside the hotel. Compared to the trip to… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@Sentient

Aside from being a chump, did you note the hair TP’s?

https://imgur.com/a/xwV3fhz

Whose frame is that in lol…

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Palma Great stories. I run into tons of escorts in upscale places in the US – LA, NYC, Miami etc. Etc. This is excluding New Orleans, Las Vegas etc. They come into two main flavors, real pros who get down to bidness quick, but subtly… an amateurs- school teachers, nurses etc. Who commute in for a little side money. I’ve no doubt an hour at a hotel bar in Cancun would produce several, but more subtle than the streets of asia. And that’s the thesis right with this “geomaxxing” bullshit… you stand out, they think your rich etc. So one… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Flushed

Go read about “free IOIs” and replay your interaction with the business card dealing prowler… I guess she had great english…

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

Ok I’m doing alright on my own and you people do nothing but question my “sincerity” so yeah I’m leaving. It’s not tough love, you’re just a bunch of assholes. I’m sure I’ll figure this out on my own or find a group elsewhere that doesn’t just dismiss me because I don’t fall into their impossible idealistic frame. I’m sure you’ll bark like territorial dogs behind a fence as I leave.

OldTimePoster
OldTimePoster
1 month ago

@Flushed – you went out and made an effort and tried to apply the principles we’re talking about so I’ll address your FR Keep in mind this is deliberately a bit “surface” stuff – the things Palma and Sentient are talking about are important and they underlie the “outer game” stuff. So on the assumption the girl you were talking to wasn’t a pro (who knows if it is true or not), consider the following points. Overall I think you did pretty well. You did a bit of reading, you tried to apply the principles you were social with a… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@Senitient I’d forgotten about it really, I think it was 2009 which was a different life. an amateurs- school teachers, nurses etc. Who commute in for a little side money. From memory it was mainly these, they all had an existence which did not involve selling it. And when I say there was a lot, I mean there were thousands out in this area of town. And almost no men. They all did appear to have a job doing something else, apart from anything else there just weren’t enough marks to supply the market. From recollection my friend was doing… Read more »

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

The difference between triage in a medical facility and triage here is that here the patients disqualify themselves.

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@Flushed Ok I’m doing alright on my own Obviously you’re not. You’re in therapy elsewhere and you’re not getting what you want from women. and you people do nothing but question my “sincerity” It’s been questioned a couple of times. In terms of doing nothing but you’ve had about 8 to 10 hours of peoples time forensically examining your field reports. And you’ve had it free. Those people have all been through the journey. so yeah I’m leaving. Have You always run when things get tough? I get it that geomaxxing is running away, but as the man said, you… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@kfg

You got this was of getting 2,500 words down into one and a half lines ya fucker….

Lol….

NNN1
NNN1
1 month ago

I hesitate to call this a report, but just for the due diligence, I went out to the local Pub Friday night. They have their “Summer Bash” where a lot of thrid class bands (rock / hard rock) perform and before covid this was a big local happening. Went there with my Homie again, quite excited until we realized it was a complete male / family party. There was one hot girl however, but a few seconds of screening the table she was at suggested she’d be the daughter of the bands singer (which wouldn’t yet matter as that dude… Read more »

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@NNN1 You can talk to (I won’t say hit on because you’ve got to be a bit more careful) a girl who is in the presence of her father / mother, or both. You have to handle them, not adversarially, but they need to be handled. It’s different to handling a mother and daughter who are alone without the father, where basically you ignore the daughter. If the father is there you ignore everyone and make conversation with him. He / someone else will then probably invite you into the group if he likes you. But you can number close… Read more »

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

I can’t take you other guys as real sages at face value with the way you’ve reacted to me, but at the times when you have given me value, I do appreciate and recognize it.

My life is pretty great, if anything, I should acknowledge that to myself more often.

So, the hot lady just messaged me without any prodding from me (less than 34 hours of silence and she made the first move here). She’s certainly showing IOI (fuck you, I’m using your acronyms and not waiting three years for the privilege). Where do I take this…

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

24 hours*

Also yes I pay for counseling. There’s no shame in this. I pay for someone to put up with it, instead of delegating that to friends or a woman. Much better option imo.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Nnn1

But then how to go on? I really need a game plan for that part…

Yes, you should be backward planning from sex to meet… that is how you follow through. If not, you’re just fucking around and hoping something will work out.

Be ruthless… backward plan from zex to meet. You’re German so this should be easy.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Flushed

So, the hot lady just messaged me without any prodding from me (less than 34 hours of silence and she made the first move here). She’s certainly showing IOI (fuck you, I’m using your acronyms and not waiting three years for the privilege). Where do I take this…

You’re going to need to be detailed. What was the message, back and forth?

What do you want from her?

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Nnn1 Palma But you can number close in the presence of the father or the mother or both if you’ve handled the set properly. Truth. Did this once, when lifeguards got. Two sisters and a mom were around frequently and I was keen on the younger one, the older one was my age and jealous, she had a crush on .e maybe or was definitely not into lil sis taking her shot. Mom was hanging on this drama. One day they are there with dad and I get introduced, the absolute opposite of anything he wanted his daugjters to partake… Read more »

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

Literally only this: Hi ☺️ how is your sunday?

I haven’t fired back. It’s Sunday here and I’m on a tequila tour out of town. I have an excuse either way lol but idk what the best next move is here.

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

What do I want? I want to fuck her brains out, but also keep her around because I thought she was more interesting than the other women I’ve met here so far.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

How old is she and is she still native?

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

Not sure how old she is, I doubt she’s older than 32 but probably 28-30. By native do you mean Mexican? She’s Colombian, her English is ok but not great, she was pretty insistent on practicing English with me.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

I’d just ignore her for now and re engage when you have an opportunity to set a meet.

How many of these texts do you think she’s sent out today?

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

She’s pretty quick to respond, I’ve entertained a few messages just now. I can attempt set a meet now.

Something like ..

Let’s meet for coffee at _ at 2PM tomorrow

She won’t get much English lingo so I need to be direct. She wouldn’t understand “drop your plans, we’re meeting for coffee at 2pm at __ tomorrow”

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@NNN1 @Sentient Be ruthless… backward plan from zex to meet. You’re German so this should be easy. That is a really good idea as it will highlight any holes or gaps in your process. For the purpose of the process remember that once the making out starts, the conversation stops. You’re past that and so that pressure is off. So to a large extent yiu don’t have to worry about what to say anymore. There’s still the odd thing, but you’re too busy to really be talking much. So once you get to leading them off to isolation you’re really… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by PalmaSailor
Flushed.
Flushed.
1 month ago

Ok, coffee date initiated with a solid 9. She hinted hard that she wants to go out to places to dance and drink with me. Some of you will think I’m nuts to not go for the beer and dancing option straight away, but man, she’s Colombian, she can dance like a professional. Tell me that’s not intimidating! I’ll invite her to join me at the meetup happening later that night. Picked a less reviewed/pretty place. Learned this girl can dance quite well. Can’t pretend I’m not intimidated. Still gonna go out. As bad as part of me wants to… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Err… so you ended up texting her back anyway while you were away instead of waiting?

What was the back and forth, line by line?

She hinted hard that she wants to go out to places to dance and drink with me.

I bet she did…

You should set your meet a short hop to the sex location, one drink. Don’t go out on dates.

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@Flushed

What was the back and forth, line by line?

You could screenshot that and load it on imgur and we’ll pick upon the nuances as well

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

@Palma

This feels like I’m playing with hand grenades, but:

https://imgur.com/a/WGJuMrC

So to refresh, she messaged me first, and I waited to message back in the late evening, when I was on the way back from my trip. I haven’t messaged since the end of this convo.

PalmaSailor
PalmaSailor
1 month ago

@Flushed

No you’re not, I’ve done it loads of times as part of my journey. Just pull the imgur in a couple of days when we’ve all had a read.

Not many people hang out in this backwater.

I won’t get to it for a day or so.

Instant thoughts, don’t do emojis, and you’re breaking the rule of 2/3…

Anyway, props for poasting it. Well done.

Last edited 1 month ago by PalmaSailor
having a bad day
having a bad day
1 month ago

@Flushed just popped in to check on things… props on putting up the text exchange… quick translation so you can start spotting the interactions… panel one – “i’m a good girl… and keep myself in shape…” [therefore worthy of your investment…] panel two – “i’m still a good girl… and i can lead you to have fun”… [so bring your money…] panel two (continued) – “i’m still a good girl”… (see how she didn’t mention the booze… just eating and dancing…lol)… “and yes, i will agree to let you chase me”… (by agreeing to ‘merely’ meeting for coffee…) (also, why… Read more »

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

Thanks for the analysis guys. Damn @OTP it seems at this rate the only thing that doesn’t count as chasing is bending her over in public right on the spot. I’m beginning to think AF isn’t even feasible in any situation where I’m actually attracted to the person, if I’m going by these gigachad standards. I’d be curious to know what you would have messaged this person instead, and what you’d do if the coffee meetup unfolds smoothly. For the record, you see in the Convo that I attempted to set the coffee meet because it seemed more in my… Read more »

Flushed
Flushed
1 month ago

@HaBD sorry for the incorrect attribution haha

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