For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
Dr. Zipper The linked article is titled: This Philosopher Is Challenging All of Evolutionary Psychology So she is a philosopher. Her research interests are: Epistemology, Ethics, Metaphilosophy, Philosophy, Philosophy of biology, Philosophy of evolutionary explanation, Philosophy of Science She’s not giving scientific answers (What is–definite knowledge)and she is not providing theological guidance (what ought to be done–dogma). She’s in no man’s land in between the two. That’s what philosophers do for a living. (And, more akin to a social justice warrier–you can tell by her interview that she has an agenda. And so does everybody else that uses Evo-Psych for… Read more »
https://www.forexpeacearmy.com/community/threads/cobratate-com-forex-signal-provider-is-a-scam-formidable-forex-powerhouse.64872/
😏
Gents, just a snapshot from an app convo that I would be interested in getting some feedback on. Been using the app as Sentient suggested, just trying all sorts of different openers and in this one its borrowed and tweaked from that Vadim vid that was posted. This is a very attractive mixed race woman, 31. It goes like this: (her profile states ‘on here till quarantine is over’) Me: Till quarantine is over? Gonna be here a fucking while cupcake lol. I’m starting a covid free cult for beautiful people – you are invited to join 09:45 Her: Don’t… Read more »
ASAP
*, i don’t know whether to double down on the sexualization, as it has come really swiftly,*
No. Don’t take the bait.
What’s your goal here…?
To have a sexual convo on the app or get her to come out?
Had to do in two parts… Gerrrr.
The play is to not rush in but to pull the string away…
“Whoa whoa slow your roll. Not sure I can trust you yet with these great secrets. Tell me a secret about you”
Then qualify her a few times, continue the cocky funny, probe logistics and then pitch a meet… To start her initiation.
Play the game.
How is reading MM going?
@Sentient Thanks for the feedback. I am about half way through MM. Had put it to one side for a bit, but got stuck into it again today once I was stumped by a couple of situations. I hear what you say and will implement, no doubt from your pointed reminder about MM this stuff will be more self evident to me once I have finished the book. Having had a moan about apps, got a lot of replies today having sent out a load of openers tailored where possible to the bio of the girl (kind of online situational… Read more »
https://www.pualingo.com/cat-string-theory/
ASAP
70% of game is “don’t do what is expected, when it is expected”
That’s a good quick reference when you are live firing and are thinking “uhhhh. What next”.
excellent info and links, cheers @Sentient
Asap
Cool.
This is the right use of apps. When you can’t do anything live and are just practicing. When they aren’t buffers and aren’t going to be your main way of getting girls.
Sounds like you are in line to banging all three of the … girls if you play it right. And maybe this online one.
Have fun.
ASAP
Sorry.. key point. Move her off the app to text. Get her number as the first major compliance test. When you feel you have enough attraction.
Then pick up via text.
Then pitch the meet when you feel you have that attraction going.
Similar to bouncing her to venues irl
They’re starting to worry that we won’t be here to provide the resources.
https://westmonster.com/we-need-to-protect-our-sons-brothers-and-fathers?fbclid=IwAR1tjzrYtfnJYIN3xp3dm7qH592g1wZ9YLM-kYCEZMgGPmrfJl_BLDdxOXM&cn-reloaded=1
Brief update, still working on SOD while quarantine is in effect, and I’m just kind of experimenting and playing around. Right now, the main ones I am on are Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, and CMB. Just the other day, got my youngest match so far that isn’t a SB (lots of them on Tinder and even Bumble) which is a 29 year old off CMB. I’ll try to post that exchange later for any feedback. She lives quite a distance, about an hour and a half, so I didn’t even bring up yet any kind of meet. Sentient, I’m going to… Read more »
Morpheus
Good on you putting theory I to practice.
The purpose of a ping text is to resurrect old contacts. So there is no “too long”.
Now how things ended will have some impact and only you can speak to and PREPARE for that…
You can also use images as pings.
A typical use of pings. – Thursday night you want to go out. You ping 10 old numbers and then work the ones who respond. Highly recommend the Yareally archive on this stuff.
Some good ones to stimulate thought
Reframes, fun and pushing…
Mashable looks into a dusty crystal ball and tries to see the future of sex
https://mashable.com/article/future-of-sex-dating-after-coronavirus-pandemic/
There are lols, such as the girls who insist that now it’s all Jane Austen time – “write me a poem”.
Sure, toots, just as soon as you learn 5th grade grammar….
Good on you putting theory I to practice. The purpose of a ping text is to resurrect old contacts. So there is no “too long”. Yup, I’m trying…I figure I’ve got a lot of room for improvement here but I got to just experiment. OK, so I decided to text city girl that was the movie on date 2 lol. Last contact with her had been March 13 before EVERYTHING got locked down in this part of the U.S.. I figured what do I have to lose? Nothing, lol FWIW, this woman was super into yoga. So I texted her… Read more »
Fucked up the formatting at the end between quoting the post and my own stuff
OK, next one, matched with “Married, Ethically Polygamous” woman on both Hinge and Bumble a few weeks ago. I’ll try to summarize as briefly as possible…I think I am on the fence here with the potential to fuck this chick, but to also fuck this up as well, and I think I need some feedback on what next. So her profile says “weirdly attracted to chest hair and nice hands”. The Hinge match occurred first (we matched again on Bumble a few days later) where either person can message first, she messaged me first: “Happy Quarantine” Me “Haha. I’m hoping… Read more »
Morpheus
Glad you are trying. Now let’s get to learning
“Hi! How’s things with you, must be weird in the city with this shutdown. Doing yoga at home?”
No
No
No
Never ever send these kinds of texts. Especially as ping texts.
How is ∆∆∆ above like “…”?????
It’s not remotely close. For you, now. NO Exclamation POINTS and NO Questions. At all. Zero. Never ever.
You really need to start thinking about frame and neediness.
Morpheus
Come up with five ping texts that aren’t questions or need exclamation points.
Go…
Morpheus
Lookan do not take this the wrong way.
But would you rather jerk off looking in the mirror or bone this girl?
You’ve got a shot ton of “bone me” responses from her. LEAD
LEAD
LEAD
You: Come over.
Just have her come over at this point.
We can break it all down in the next few days but you are too focused on meeting her expectations in this conversation and not focused at all on leading her to your coxk.
She’s married and openly looking to fuck ffs.
Go get her.
Her “What are you up to”…..I kind of wondered if this was her fishing if I was free today???
Green lights don’t get much greener.
You: pouring a drink. Come over.
And no more haha stuff…
@Asa Late to respond but I thought I’d chime in regarding the Norwegian. Two questions. If you think about it, how would have you acted differently if your warning circuits hadn’t activated after the weekend? And what is it that activated them, what is the threat? Reading over your story arc it seemed to me that she had you in the “perfect boyfriend” catecory, strong man with alpha traits yet also a “good guy”. And she was testing for comfort, which you repeatedly failed in text communication. Unless what you posted here was all of it, if it wasn’t, then… Read more »
@Silent Bob @Sentient et al Interesting take on things Bob. To be honest I think you are right in terms of the ‘alpha good guy’ thing. And to a certain extent that has been the pattern in my past relationships, and if I’m really honest that is ‘who I am’ at the moment. The thing is that in past relationsips, any alpha traits have been gradually worn down, leaving a miserable good guy in a shitty relationship. I’m actually perfectly happy to be a good guy with Alpha traits, but if that is going to create expectation that I am… Read more »
Asa
Re Nordic
Look she is trying to get you to apologize. If you do you will bang her but she will have hand.
I’d send her some animated gif of a pouty kitten or kid and just leave it again for a few weeks unless she rolls over.
Some of these frame battles can go months.
To get what we want long term we need to sacrifice short term sometimes.
@Sentient et al
Thats what I thought, and this whole thing is about change at the end of the day. Not about sex per se. Bigger picture wise, it was only six months or so ago that I was seriously contemplating buying a canal boat on the thames and living a MGTOW hermit life (lol but serious), so there is no rush. And this thing is going to take time.
@asa
“I was seriously contemplating buying a canal boat on the thames and living a MGTOW hermit life”
You definitely shouldn’t do that but I think you should report on the queue as my gut is there’s a lot more to learn from that than meets the eye.
@Palma
Yes. I will have a bite to eat and then lay it out for review and feedback
ASAP
The thing you need to do is reframe this issue as her being a pouty piss while you continue to be the cool high value guy she wants.
So if she doesn’t come round this time. You let sit three weeks again and then start over.
Though I’d be sorely tempted to text her
You: I’m going to fuck you listening to this song https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lzS5wWN6wkE
Let her spaz out
Her: wtf!!! Bla blah blah
You: (wait a bit). I’m sorry. I made a mistake. My bad.
Her: whatever she says doesn’t matter
You: Meant to link to the live version
And then after that last bit you can soften and be like “ah c’mon lighten up, you know I’m kidding” show a little comfort and set a get together.
‘No Never ever send these kinds of texts. Especially as ping texts. How is ∆∆∆ above like “…”????? It’s not remotely close. For you, now. NO Exclamation POINTS and NO Questions. At all. Zero. Never ever.” LOL, OK, i fucked that one up. I did use the “…” on some stale matches, but I figured on this one maybe she would respond better to a question. Noted for future. Maybe I should have just sent a gif with a woman doing yoga or something? My thought with her was the … would seem like I just accidently had a typo… Read more »
Sentient,
Thks for the feedback
Morpheus
Stick with it. You have a lot of potential. We just need to get you out of your own way.
Basically you and ASAP are opposites struggling with the same issue… How do I detach from my past experience, toss my gut instincts, recognize ios and frames and react in real time.
Most of us went through the same phase. The process is the outcome.
I’ll chime in more o your last post there are a few things to amplify.
Are you reading MM? Watching the videos?
Are you reading MM? Yes, but I need to sit down and reread it again. Probably will need to reread it several times, and I suspect several iterations of going back and forth of application and rereading it before I really can effectively internalize it. I remember when I was first reading books on technical analysis and candlesticks, it took a long time before I could just pull up a candlestick chart and instantly see the pattern in the chart, and I would have to go back and reread the stuff on pattern formations and what they meant, etc. I… Read more »
So here is one from the other day, and my attempt to speak more “cat” than “dog” at least right off the bat…she’s not that attractive so I really could care less but I think I might reengage her tomorrow for practice. I am wondering if a couple of my pics are counterproductive to what I am trying to find online, the “wedding” pic she is referring to is me as best man and has me formally dressed so I figured at least one pic in formal wear was a plus, and I figured one pic with a kid could… Read more »
Morpheus
So here is one from the other day, and my attempt to speak more “cat” than “dog” at least right off the bat…
This!!!!!! Hallelujah 🙏👏👏🙌
Great exchange. Break it down.
Emotional spike
Not answering questions directly
Cold read
Qualifying
Food stuff….
7/10 other guys would have answered her first question with a long direct response and lots of exclamations and rapport seeking.
Re-read your exchange with her and u derstand what you are doing and how she is responding.
Fellas. Have four field reports. I will divide them into the Good, the Bad & the Ugly (according to my perception at any rate lol). As ever, feedback appreciated. Be a fairly long post so please bare with me: The Good The Nordic is showing signs of weakening her resolve (I think). However, her reply is still a trap / loaded, I just can’t quite put my finger on what. Latest in the text string with a bit of a recap as follows: Me Sat 13:24 – Three short words imbued with a pout Her Sat 13:24 – Meh Her… Read more »
Her: Don’t you just want to fuck my brains out?? (this felt incongruent and therefore beta bait?? or i may just have missed the trick. i don’t think so due to what followed, but i don’t know). Me: I just want to go with the flow (or something non-commital) Her: So you don’t want to fuck my brains out Me: Something non-committal Question I have here is when do you just go with a cigar is just a cigar vs OK the chick is playing some type of game shit test here. I mean I’ve had a few situations in… Read more »
Here is today’s text exchange with married chick J…I’m thinking either tomorrow or the day after I ask directly for the meet up depending on what my schedule looks like: J – I went to a different store and they were out of tp as well. But, they had a variety of pickles. Me – The quest for tp continues . Fan of pickles? J – I am! Me – The taste or texture J – Both Me – Hmmmm Me – Do you like your pickles thick and crunchy or soft and sliced? J – Hahaha Thick and crunchy… Read more »
In terms of the queue girls, firstly it wasn’t a cold approach, I’d got an IOI in the shape of a second glance from the one on the left. Although we weren’t dressed up I was wearing a special shirt. The history of them is that when I had a bigger business and when we hit monthly target I would take the top salesman out in London to drink beer etc.. buy Liberty print fabric then off to a tailor to get a shirt made. Me and him, different ones, any eccentricity you wanted. The staff used to compete for… Read more »
@asappleeze however, i just fucking froze. when i say froze, i mean in the sense of the fight, flight or freeze. total shutdown of useful cognition. has been literally years since i approached girls cold, and i used to do it pissed up with champagne and cocaine flowing giving it the big one and that was effective in a way. Don’t stress it, happens when out of your comfort zone and starting something new or trying it again after a long break. A matter of practice and exposure. There’s a reason we recommend the 400+ cold approaches challenge. Some say… Read more »
@asa All in all you’re nearly there. I’d have handled both by cooking. And I’d have done it as an assumptive. The stamp collection thing was an overt piss take which is good but led into whatever conversation happened because it was overt you wanted to bang her. Apart from anything else it was an overt IOI. Without dissecting the whole thing I can’t tell if she’s earned that. If not it would have been a DLV which would have spiked her to push back. In addition to that It was so overt that it set off a conversation about… Read more »
^^ dont forget to play fight with the strawberries – put some honey on them and then try to get her on the nose with the sticky stuff..
then you got to lick it off / go for the kill…
ASAP Her Mon 19:34 – omg Her Mon 19:34 – Anyway whats up what do u want asappleeze Her Mon 19:34 – Spell it out Well you are back in play… What does your gut say? was the “omg” a good response? OMG = cool! or was it OMG = fuck this guy? I like to read these things with the best intentions, assuming attraction because it is easier to work from that frame. I fyou overstep easier to dial back vs assuming no attraction and killing it off. Take the frame back here. You: enough text, let’s get a… Read more »
ASAP On the freeze. Well welcome welcome… Lol. The process is the outcome. Rewire that brain through repetition and drill… Until you see it as fun. This is what online won’t prepare you for you just have to go through it. The ugly Dudebro that was a slam dunk, you just over revved it. Calibration She resisted quite strongly This is where you pay attention and roll off a bit… That’s what a guy who “just gets it does” and a guy who doubles down scares the shit out of her. Roll off… Pour some drinks. Sit away from her… Read more »
Morpheus I was like “Yeah, I think you are hot” or something like that, just flat out direct and it was either on right away or in hindsight I just needed to establish a bit more comfort before she would fuck (thinking about a spring break bang I had in grad school). So I guess my question/concern is distinguishing between the scenarios where this is “bait” or more bullshit and you’ve got more work to do vs the woman is basically saying “Hey, I am DTF right now, take me and fuck me” and instead of simply doing that, you… Read more »
Morpheus *Me – Do you like your pickles thick and crunchy or soft and sliced? J – Hahaha Thick and crunchy Me –* Spike again! Me: Damn! I thought you were going to say gherkins..😒 You really want to work on this one get her to drive to you… *There are two others, both previous bangs, * Well girls send ping texts too🙃 They are probably ovulating and the married one for sure has a short window to operate in so jump on that text right away. No alpha waiting for two hours. Same old same old run that game… Read more »
@PalmaSailor thanks for feedback “…@asa thinking he’s from a “shit place” is on his own head and nowhere else, they hadn’t meant that when he said it…” Been thinking about this, what is going on underneath that. I think it is my blue pill mindset coming to the fore i.e I’ve always lived in cool, trendy areas (until the ex skinned me alive anyway lol) and put a lot of stock into that in terms of me being a good ‘betabux’ catch. therefore I feel insecurity around it in the company of women still. “…“You know, something cropped up at… Read more »
@Asapplease Rollo associate Rich Cooper had a good Youtube 1:07 hour long video with a divorced dad who got switched from old blue pill identity to red pill realism by plunging into salt dating on a sugar baby site: https://www.sugarplayer.com/salt-dating-beginners-guide/ What struck me by watching the video conversation was the Frame the Australian guy developed by his experienced with women after a long blue pill existence and then breakup with his dignity intact. You might want to hook up some ear buds and listen to it. It is an example of the interviewee breaking his habits and coming out the… Read more »
Asap
ps some of those app interactions… ‘always wanted to fuck a cat’ fucking lol man
Once you finish MM and really start to learn it you will see it’s mostly about frames. Who is in who’s? Who reacts? How?
They ALL want to fuck. It’s just a matter of understandimg the catonese.
@Morpheus you are still doing great… and getting great advice… just keep playing and you’ll get there… quick point… “Her: Don’t you just want to fuck my brains out?? (this felt incongruent and therefore beta bait?? or i may just have missed the trick. i don’t think so due to what followed, but i don’t know). Me: I just want to go with the flow (or something non-commital) Her: So you don’t want to fuck my brains out Me: Something non-committal” Question I have here is when do you just go with a cigar is just a cigar when you’ve… Read more »
Alright fellas, so it looks like it is on with the Nordic. Text string as follows, any thoughts / tips on how to proceed appreciated: Me Tues 17:36 – Enough text. Lets meet over x on Saturday at 5pm Her Wed 20:51 – All right Her Wed 21:56 – All right? Me Wed 21:56 – Yes, see you there Her Wed 21:56 – Alright. Be kind. Be the person that I actually met with last time For a short string there is quite a bit going on there I think, but I’m interested in the objective perspective before I deliberate… Read more »
Asap Good stuff man. You brought her around. See how a firm frame and a change of topic changed her up? She’s looking for boundaries and you provided it. Just go out and see her and be you. If you want it, take it. She’s just saving face with the “be nice_ stuff. Ignore it. In person If she brings up any of the menstruation B’s just laugh it off. If she presses tell her that she’s not being attractive and then dhv and change the topic. Just do the in person by the numbers – attraction, comfort and seduction.… Read more »
ASAP
You attitude is:
“You’re lucky I’m still talking to you little girl. Don’t fuck it up.”
If she does fuck it up just roll off of her and start flirting with other girls.
@asappleeze Yup, all good. Her last line to push you into an apologetic nice guy role is just a filter for an alpha stud. She’s responsive and willing to meet. Go for this open window, don’t step into any other token walls she may put up and make it happen. It’s given she’ll play the “I expect apologies/explanations” card in person. That’s a fitness test to see how you react. If she can control you with feelz. But she’s just a little ginger squirrel trying to make this solid oak tree bend to her little squeaking. No need for apologies… Read more »
IRL
yeah I’ve been told I’m handful”
Lol. I see what you did there…
Response:. Two handfuls actually…
Wait…
One to hold the microscope one to gold a tweezer…
@Sentient
You: I’m going to fuck you listening to this song
Her: wtf!!! Bla blah blah
You: (wait a bit). I’m sorry. I made a mistake. My bad.
Her: whatever she says doesn’t matter
You: Meant to link to the live version
And then after that last bit you can soften and be like “ah c’mon lighten up, you know I’m kidding” show a little comfort and set a get together.
What can I say, always fun to ride that wave… with a flip… lol
@IRL @Sentient
Great feedback fellas, appreciate it. Now to continue to putting it into practice.
@asa
Well done.
Is it abooooout a month since the first time?
That errrr time of the month the starts to find cocky arseholes more attractive for some reason she really doesn’t understand?
Hey Rollo, thanks for sharing your precious knowledge with us. But I had a question regarding game. How can we improve game? Is cold approach the only way, or if there is an alternative then please share.
Ugh damn no paragraph spacing…
@kshitij
That’s a very basic question and indicates you’ve done nowhere near enough reading.
Direct openers are the most difficult because you’re giving her and unearned IOI usually.
Indirect is a much better way to go.
Start by reading Mystery Method.
Then read it again. And then again.
Feel free to come back with questions.
Ok. Does it still work? In 2020?
If your cock still works then Mystery Method will.
Funny, but thank you.
You could give us a bit of info about yourself which might help a bit
Ok.
Kshitij Let me tell you a bit about what goes on in a blog. That you entered asking questions. First of all, how good is your English as a second language? A blog is a difficult way to get information. More so than a forum. It is less directed and more free form tangents. The way a blog works is that the blog master controls the flow of original essays. Then people comment about his ideas. They riff off of it–have a same or different take, interpretation or perspective. The older a blog gets and the more the ideas have… Read more »
Thank you. To be honest, I just wanted to know the best way of approach. I do not have approach anxiety. The only thing I wanted to know was what is the best way to approach girls, that’s it.
And if you click on Read More and the comment doesn’t expand–keep clicking on it more times and it will open.
There is not such as a general answer. It depends. What are you trying to accomplish? You are tending to be totally reductive–tending to present a subject or problem in a simplified form, especially one viewed as crude. It’s not a simple answer. There are a myriad of variables. And there is you rather than everybody else. Anyone that says there is a simple answer is going to try to sell you a simple answer for a buck to a complex problem. Sorry, but you are asking for cheat codes. As opposed to looking to build yourself into a better… Read more »
So according to you how can a person build a masculine personality?
First of all, tell me what you did to hit a reply to button. That is a cool new feature. How does that show up in your comment? The blog format changed over the weekend… “So according to you how can a person build a masculine personality?” First of all, I’ve been commenting here for a lot of years. Second of all I had a good organic building foundation of growth. The answer is you take stock of who you are now. And you understand who you are now and you dedicate yourself to enhance your strengths and minimize your… Read more »
I do think it is a “Natural Law”. It was quite interesting.
@kshitij
Make more effort in here and answer the questions that have been asked
They’ve been asked for a reason
If you’re too lazy to do that get lost
Ran into a girl from a year or more ago. FR is somewhere in the pages. I was out at lunch catching a game and she came and sat next to me at the bar with a friend, knew her a little from a restaurant. Anyhow game progressed and we bounced to another bar and made out and then I had to get home. Saw her the other day, relocated to a new restaurant due to Corona. Was funny. I stopped going to the other place after the make out, too close to home so I just left it. Food… Read more »
lots of lols… https://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2018/05/through-the-looking-glass-the-x-factor Most of us have an ex — a significant other, a hookup or even a friend. But not every college student has experienced “the X.” At Dartmouth, masked behind a laughable meme, there is a stereotyped system we call the X. Girls “peak” as freshmen and become less desirable as they age. Boys inversely rise in desirability to finally “peak” as seniors. While the idea of older guys going for younger girls is not novel, the construct of “the X,” with its official title and explanation, gives the whole trend an odd sense of legitimacy. …… Read more »
Lockdown lay report So I’ve been chatting to a customer and dealing with her remotely via WhatsApp bc lockdown. Seen her picture on WhatsApp and she’s cute. She’s seen my picture. We’re chatting, she’s working – a nurse.. but bored etc… So I say: the beach is open and so are a few of the bars for take away. A few of us are going down if you fancy. Her: what time and where? Me: X o’clock at Y bar Her: good see you then Suns shining and it’s warm so I walk down in shirt sleeves but by the… Read more »
@Palma (upselling much? lol) Nice one. Girl expects a cool experienced guy and gets exactly what it says on the tin. She’s like “no way I’m taking these off tonight” Lol I know the line. It’s the 30+ age group. “No sex on the first date”, “I’m not like that” etc. Even funnier when they do all the pornstar stuff but still “these are not coming off”… lol They want the D and yet they want to preserve the self-image and see how you handle the wall they put up at the same time. I suspect they may even cockblock… Read more »
Great story Palma. What strikes me is the Pacing and Frame you held, naturally. Good to hear. It also seems you were in a better wheel-house for you at the beach and in your apartment better than in a busy bar because of the corona conditions. Once again, it goes to the pacing of the interaction. Thanks for calling me on the telephone earlier that day, too. I appreciated the conversation. As an aside, I chuckle out loud watching an interview with Perry Farrell in 1991. It sounds like the interviewer is Kurt Loder. It is a good example of… Read more »
Palma
Love in the time of Corona. Touches the heart…
IRL
Pure Evil uses this model on purpose, with him throttling down at any LMR because he doesn’t want anything other than full experience. Same demo. Flip side is after date two with nothing most are scratched off the list pronto. Makes sense. There is too much focus on SNL although I will agree it’s the best learning.
Question – Palma how would you have handled the situation if she gave you The Heisman and said “slow down big boy I need dinner first”?
“No sex on the first date”
Damn straight girl, and don’t you forget it.
https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-153/#comment-290385 Hickory dickory dock, the new feature ran up the clock.
Annnnnnnnnd edit.
Still need to buy a clue for Reply To.
One thing I noticed in Palma’s field report was a even-flow of Mystery method. Attraction-Comfort-Seduction. Despite Palma’s former self acknowledged non-recognition of the middle stage–comfort, he aced that stage in this situation. Well done. -“Hang out on beech in a sheltered position in howling gale until I say: this is no fun, come back and I’ll cook.” -“…and I install her in kitchen at breakfast bar which I cook the other side of. I’m preparing dough etc.. and chopping up stuff and we eat pizza laughing and joking.”- -“I know there’s a thing about LMR but I never usually get… Read more »
@IRL “I was thinking that maybe this could be disarmed by fractionation, time compression and multiple venues (making it feel like more than one date and that you’ve been through more together), but I’ve never come around to testing it.” It can and I usually do this which has resulted in FNL’s without any problem but there was nowhere to go on date 1 bc it’s all shut. @SJF “It also seems you were in a better wheel-house for you at the beach and in your apartment better than in a busy bar because of the corona conditions.” Busy bar?… Read more »
Palma: Lol, My intent was describing your FR as you having: “A Bird in the Hand is Worth Two in the Bush”
Palma Not sure how the reply to and edits function now? Had to google Heisman.. you mean she pushed me away hard right? Well what you’re talking about is her giving a condition for the sex and I wouldn’t play that game so in the first instance I’d have tickled her and ignored it and continued as usual. If that didn’t result in the sex and she’d pushed away even harder then I wouldn’t have pushed it physically. If I didn’t think I could turn it then I’d actually have cooked dinner but I wouldn’t have escalated. I’d have pulled… Read more »
@Sentient No idea how you get paragraphs either… I’ll just try more line spaces … So if she’d pushed me away and I ended up cooking then I wouldn’t have banged her on the same night. I’d have refused her. We’d have to have gone round again and she’d have to put out without me doing something for it. I wouldn’t do “cook to play” in that scenario. I would do “cook to play” when I’m cooking as a straight escalation having bought her back under my terms. It’s a subtle difference, but one is her putting a condition on… Read more »
The Thin Man and PureEvil 2-3 date model link
https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-92/#comment-260714
https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-92/#comment-260717
@Sentient “But they feel like total sluts in the morning and they blow out..” So on the above escalation she got put to the mattress after walking through the door and then we hit the kitchen and I cooked again. Then we went to chill and Netflix which didn’t last long bc she was groping. So I picked her up and carried her back to the bedroom. Round 2 was when the “proper sex” started. Me coaxing it out of her and giving her what she really wanted. After she said “I can’t believe the language I was using” I… Read more »
Errrr would somebody tell me what I’m missing with this Twitter / Trump spat?
Surely the bearded gimp doesn’t really live in an echo chamber that big that he thinks he can beat the ole cofvefee fuelled street fighter does he?
Surely the FBI or something are just gonna walk in and arrest the bearded one on restricting free speech is something? That’s one of the amendments right?
@HABD
Listening to this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VnPS0qx_Iuo
He’s laying out a war footing isn’t he..
@PalmaSailor props on the FR… @HABD Listening to this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VnPS0qx_Iuo He’s laying out a war footing isn’t he.. yep… but it’s just another step in the process… we’ve actually been at war since before the election in 2016… (it’s china ccp/dnc/obama cabal/liberal useful idiots against the forces for good…lol) it just takes some folks a bit longer to catch on…lol… but all this sh*t plays out according to the universal playbook… just like it has to… nothing new under the sun… this is just the next step up the escalation ladder… and not the good one by dicarlo…lol i think… Read more »
“Surely the bearded gimp doesn’t really live in an echo chamber that big that he thinks he can beat the ole cofvefee fuelled street fighter does he?”
Yes.
And the line he stepped over this time wasn’t merely restriction of speech, or promoting an opposing view:
He embedded a “fact checking” link in, that is to say he altered, Trump’s original tweet.
PalmaSailor
Errrr would somebody tell me what I’m missing with this Twitter / Trump spat?
Sure:
Section 230(c) of the Communications Decency Act also known as 47 U.S.C. 230(c)
Obvious!
Saber rattling rattling louder Palma. Just wait till September… Unfortunately if Trump wins I think he doesn’t get sworn in. Going to be crazy second half of the year.
@HABD I’m gonna have to check up on US news. But I only get it via zero hedge – and I don’t even believe them most of the time. I am just astonished that anyone can change the statement of a sitting president without getting A visit from the men in Black. I wonder if he’s just totally deranged. I only follow a handful of news outlets and our best political one is this one (mainly because of the unmoderated comments) https://order-order.com The media here is publishing almost nothing unless it involves trying to derail BREXIT. They’re at the point… Read more »
@kfg
“Yes.
And the line he stepped over this time wasn’t merely restriction of speech, or promoting an opposing view:
He embedded a “fact checking” link in, that is to say he altered, Trump’s original tweet.”
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This has just gotta play into the Donald’s hands… what with the rioting I’m sure he’s gonna have to intervene in Twatter quicksharp in the interests of national security..
@Anonymous Reader
“Sure:
Section 230(c) of the Communications Decency Act also known as 47 U.S.C. 230(c)
Obvious!”
I’ll put that on the list for bed time reading..
“This has just gotta play into the Donald’s hands… ” Once Twitter is stripped of common carrier immunity, all he has to do is sit back and watch as every prosecutor and civil lawyer in the known universe picks them apart. Wherever Dorsey can be shown to have been part of the decision chain he can be targeted personally as well. Twitter can only exist as such because they only provide infrastructure. They are not the publisher of what appears on Twitter, each individual poster is, because Twitter is not part of the decision chain. But when they exert editorial… Read more »
@kfg
You really would have thought the bearded one would have had better lawyers wouldn’t you.
Time to short twatter stock perhaps
Palma
I am just astonished that anyone can change the statement of a sitting president without getting A visit from the men in Black.
You do need to catch up on US politics. The men in black have been working the other side for some time now. And going to get busier…
@Sentient
There’s only so much shit you consume and I’ve got my plate full over here..
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After a point there’s more to life.
@Sentient Interesting in the aftermath of last weeks session, nurse said “god I smell of sex, and the room smells of sex” . Now while it did, it wasn’t something I would have commented on, and it wouldn’t have registered with me. But to her it was overt. . I wonder to what extent that would change the subconscious behaviour of another woman bought into that environment. The chemical proof of pre selection if you will. . If I get the chance over the weekend I’ll try and get another woman back before I swap out the bed clothes and… Read more »
Reposting all of Thin Man’s Guide for posterity, some NextASF links down… Worth a read. Lot of great tacticts and a lot of chess not checkers thinking. Long post… The Thin Man’s Over 38 Seduction Before I get to what works for me I have a few observations that I think put the bullet points below in appropriate context. I have linked some key posts at various points, read the links they are helpful in making the points I am trying to make here. This thread started when I commented on a filed report (Linked here) where Tech was put… Read more »
Rollo what’s up with the markup?
“The chemical proof of pre selection if you will. . If I get the chance over the weekend I’ll try and get another woman back before I swap out the bed clothes . . . ” Reminds me of a comment I once posted on another forum. It went something like this: If a woman starts leaving things around your place, put your foot down and enforce your boundaries. Tell her she can’t do that, but what she can do is leave a small overnight bag on the closet shelf. Just make sure there are two others already there when… Read more »
@Sentient . Firstly 40+ women for me are more or less on demand. I rarely drop one if I can get her in conversation for any period of time. I think it’s called “deep dive”. And I think that means having a proper intellectual conversation about a proper topic. Of course you have to take the piss and flirt etc.. . I did read thin man and this bit stood out to me: . “Full grown mature woman are complicated creatures most man can’t handle them… The women know this and hate it… and come to lose respect/attraction for men… Read more »
I’ve got a bit to add to thin man . “Full grown mature woman are complicated creatures most man can’t handle them…” . True. But. . The only thing I’d expand upon here is they’re not necessarily complicated, it’s the men that are allowing that. . The degree of complication will expand to fit the boundaries allowed for it. Ie your frame. . If you don’t impose your frame, hers will run wild and the complication will have no boundaries. . If you do impose your frame then the degree of her “complication” will be restricted to what you allow… Read more »