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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

10,395 comments

  1. “Look.at some of the earliest playboy playmates and assign a ” hb ” to them.”

    Playboy’s schtick was “the cute girl from the neighborhood, only naked.” Mostly 7 and 8s. They actively avoided girls who could make it as models except for the occasional publicity gimmick to boost sales.

    ” . . . advertising is like the tail wagging the dog. That’s how we wound up with those anorexic models in.the late 70’s – early 80 ‘s.”

    High fashion models have never been particularly attractive. False cues of attractiveness are added to them by various artists. This has had a deleterious effect on how many men perceive attractiveness.

    To a certain extent that applies to Vegas show girls as well. They’re mostly chosen for having exceptionally long legs. Makeup, costuming and distance make up for the failures of the rest.

    Cheesecake/swimsuit models have always been the most attractive and the Tootsie-Pops are not found there. It’s where the Christie Brinkley’s and Kathy Irelands come from.

    Note that in the world of modeling this is considered the low class neighborhood. Many models refuse to acknowledge that these girls are even models.

  2. ” . . . how 1,000 dollar smartphones exist . . .”

    I can almost understand that, if I squint a bit, and don’t pay attention to the fact that they’re actually popular and not just niche items for rich people. And I’ll take into account that for many of their owners it is their only computer and that they kick the ass of full towers from only 20 years ago that cost three time that much.

    But the fact that these 1,000 dollar (and UP) “phones” are all, without exception, disposable items baffles me.

  3. Planned obsolescence I understand. The fact that people are accepting this particular flavor of planned failure for no good reason I don’t. One more sign that we are doomed.

    Right now I’m wrestling with ex post facto obsolescence. AMD is releasing a new desktop CPU in just a few days that I’m absolutely itching to buy, because it’s the perfect piece for the HTPC I want to build . . . five years ago.

  4. High fashion models have never been particularly attractive. False cues of attractiveness are added to them by various artists. This has had a deleterious effect on how many men perceive attractiveness.

    I’ve been exposed to more advertising than most men because of age. So have you. Why then aren’t we taken with high fashion models like Twiggy?

    Advertising bullshit can’t fool the male eye.

    Cheesecake/swimsuit models have always been the most attractive and the Tootsie-Pops are not found there. It’s where the Christie Brinkley’s and Kathy Irelands come from.

    +1

  5. Those interested in comfort…

    Interesting infield here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJyAPQTDFYA

    Can you spot how much more efficient an intra venue bounce would be, some comfort then bouncing outside? Very odd from Todd, a former Project Hollywood guy IIRC. And those cankles???

    Good distinction in the first half on “objections” vs “conditions” for those with ears to hear.

  6. Blaximus
    The Manosphere will never be a concise arbiter of ” universal ” anything, because the Manosphere isn’t universal itself.

    The androsphere / manosphere is part clearing house, part agora, part public square, part library, part beerhall…it’s a lot of things at once, so no way it’s ever going to be just one of them. I’d rather have this run down dive bar of a ‘sphere where a man can see some path to daylight out of despair than a turbocharged version of MMSL or some such.

    The truth exists, men can find it. It is good to help them that is looking for truth, too.

  7. Holy Zeus J

    Please tell me you don’t hang out on those sites. would explain much though…

    Not cool to pirate material in any event.

  8. kfg
    Planned obsolescence I understand. The fact that people are accepting this particular flavor of planned failure for no good reason I don’t.

    $1,000 is just ten $100 dinners. It’s easy to drop a Benjamin on dinner for 4 at midrange eateries. When the min wage gets jacked up to $15 / hr we can all look back 50 or so years and notice the 10x shift in numbers. Then we can tell those boys with the lawnmowers to get off our lawns because that grass isn’t real anyway…

    Plus we’ve gone from handheld radio cell telephones being telephones that are expected to last for years, to infotainment handsets that get swapped for the newest and bestest on a 1 to 3 year cycle. If you don’t expect to use your handset for a full Presidential election cycle, it’s not that big a deal if it craps out after 2.5 years.

    AMD is releasing a new desktop CPU in just a few days that I’m absolutely itching to buy, because it’s the perfect piece for the HTPC I want to build . . . five years ago.

    You not the only fan.

    https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=amd&ty=c&ta=1&p=d

    The more things change, the more things change.

  9. Troll site i know. But it’s educational if you follow the right guys (this is where news broke, JMULV was indeed paying girls. I mean we all kinda suspected it but the text screenshots confirmed it). For instance the guy @realrob is describing here was literally me (above average looking guy with helicopter parents) before stumbling upon Heartiste’s site 4 years ago:

    https://lookism.net/Thread-New-good-looking-guy-on-campus-just-brutal

    @AR

    “Just say no”

    lol. Chill broski. Its an updated MM for 2018 (Yes Todd was one of Mysterys early students).

  10. What kind of fucking morons…….?

    Is.jmulv talking about his.wife or.long time girlfriend or.something?

    Ohhhhh the bitching. Line.upon line.of feminine bitching.

    But
    It was good for a chuckle.

    …. Google traffic😂😂😂😂😂

  11. @All

    So Italy’s first sex doll brothel gets shut down because of ‘hygiene’ reasons.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-14/italys-first-sex-doll-brothel-shuttered-amid-fears-over-improper-cleaning-after

    Years ago I had a property that was being used as a brothel. A woman with a straight job fronted it and she passed all references etc.. when I tried to get them out I got a visit from the police.

    So what I think has happened here is that this place has been so successful it’s interrupted trade for the other working girls and so they’ve knobbled it.

    If it wasn’t a huge success no one would bother.

  12. Everyone thinks everyone else has autism here!! lol
    Appears to be the same on lookism, so we have that in common with them! 🙂

  13. “So what I think has happened here is that this place has been so successful it’s interrupted trade for the other working girls and so they’ve knobbled it.”

    Women in general and not only prostitutes know that if they lose vagina monopoly they are fucked as apart from childbearing sex is the only asset they bring on the table for a man.
    I think the FI will push for laws against sex dolls/sex robots with some bullshit pretence like “sexual objectification”. They will do it to prevent vagina depreciation and secondly to punish men for having a blast fucking the shit out of some customisable HB10 doll/robot. Resenting the enjoyment men derive from sexual objectification which is indicative of the spiteful envy of losers.

  14. @Orson

    I think it’ll go the same way as Uber.

    By the time they realise they’re a serious threat there will be too many men using them to get the laws passed.

  15. Echo

    Not necessarily autism, but there is an inordinate amount of social/mental issues that probably don’t reach a level of severity to warrant medications or institutionalization.

    A lot of it is anger and hurt that’s unresolved and not addressed properly. Some of it is the result of being raised with lies and falsehoods that have become deeply internalized. Reality catches up with most people at some.point between the cradle and the grave.

    Some.Will learn.and.adapt, some.Will wither and die.

    Before coming to the sphere, I’d not ever heard so much ” autism ” talk before. It’s foreign to me. But what I do know is that society for the longest time taught it’s strict adherents to eschew ” emotion ” and remain stiff and unyeilding, lol. So naturally this means there is never a coping mechanism developed to deal with.emotion and feelings. Reality won’t be denied forever.

    So suicide and mass.killings can result. Over and over and over and over…..

    But society is.still.slow.as.fuck to understand and change. Now there’s the isolation and loneliness and general fuckery of social media added to the mix.

    Society, as currently constituted, is absolutely doomed to fail, and fail horribly. The question is, will people learn from the failure?

  16. @Orson

    My female neighbour was commenting on my apparently single status last week. She said she knows a lot of women that are 50, they’re all online dating apparently but can’t seem to get a date.

    She had one specific one in mind, very nice, very intelligent, a journalist even! For the guardian…

    Errrrrr…

    Amazing the astonishment when I just said ‘no way’.

    I mean who apart from a totally feminised gimp could ever even contemplate dating a guardian journalist? The readers are bad enough.

  17. @PUA lurkers

    In a good mood cause I gotten laid the last 3 times I’ve gone out. Including a model last night. Don’t feel sharing a FR is gonna do much good, so instead I’m gonna share the best things that have personally helped improve my game over the past couple of months:

    game material:

    – Watch both of JP’s infield clips in The System. and take notes. In my opinion his game is better than Todd.

    – Read Speed Seduction Technical Manual by Dave Rikers (you should be able to find it online). I’d can’t recommend his second course (language and conversation) only because I haven’t read it yet, but I’m sure it’s excellent as well.

    – Follow Bacchus on NextASF

    general helpful tips:

    – Don’t drink a lot (i.e more than 3 drinks). I know when you get nervous it’s really tempting to go up to the bar and get another vodka tonic, but the problem with this is that 1) you won’t be able to implement the tactics you learn from the resources I listed above because you’re too fucked up 2) you won’t be able to properly assess your night which is important for growth 3) you will not react quickly enough/be able to pull off the right move at the right time when the situation presents itself.

    So instead, just go open a guy by himself or open an unattractive girl, then another. then ask someone where’s the bathroom. Go get a glass of water at the bar, then notice something about that kind of cute girl standing alone. go up to her and make her laugh. just a couple of seconds of some chit chat, doesn’t matter if the set goes well or not, and bam. out of your head.

    – whenever I’m in a really good state I say things that I wouldn’t be able to come up with had I not been in a good mood. Write those down (I use Google Keep for this) to remember them. tweak them a little bit and reuse them in future. This is the strategy I’ve used to developed my own routines.

    – study the body language/facial expression of sexy male characters and replicate them – for me, the most helpful were: Marlon Brando (streetcar), Alain Delon (La Piscine), and James Franco (Freaks and geeks)

    – make a separate text file for “isolating, seeding and pulling lines” (I use Evernote for this) and memorize them. If you go out enough, you will instinctively know when its safe (face no resistance) to isolate the girl away from her friends to the bar/couch. Write down common objections you get from girls when you attempt to pull and lines to deal with them.

    – and last, do cool shit. These past 4 years have been honestly the best years of my life. And I have SO many interesting stories at my disposal I can tell girls. If I didn’t do any crazy shit, I’d be bored telling every girl that ONE time I did something really daring. and i wouldn’t sound very enthusiastic/passionate talking about it. Girls love hearing stories. Especially those about the life of an interesting sexy man.

  18. So instead, just go open a guy by himself or open an unattractive girl, then another. then ask someone where’s the bathroom. Go get a glass of water at the bar, then notice something about that kind of cute girl standing alone. go up to her and make her laugh. just a couple of seconds of some chit chat, doesn’t matter if the set goes well or not, and bam. out of your head.

    Yep. I always start this way. Small talk with bouncers and friends and random people who are having a good time and sometimes people who are standing by themselves. And I try to mess with people just to amuse myself.

    – and last, do cool shit. These past 4 years have been honestly the best years of my life. And I have SO many interesting stories at my disposal I can tell girls. If I didn’t do any crazy shit,

    Crazy shit like messing with people? While you’re chatting with a girl, say loudly, “$500 for a blowjob?” Better be ready to run/fight after that prank. But you should do it at least once. Gotta take risks…the best stories come after bad decisions….

    When I’m in state, I can do all kinds of crazy shit and come out smelling like a rose because I’m very focused on my own amusement and I know when someone might take offense and I can tease them about taking offense and offer a lame apology if needed. Very rarely do people become very put out and then it’s good to know whom to avoid–you don’t want to spend time around those people.

  19. ”In a good mood cause I gotten laid the last 3 times I’ve gone out. Including a model last night”

    Good man!

  20. Must be something in the air. Pretty sure my wing got a threesome with 2 beauties on Saturday! (They were both all over him the second they saw him and they were doing a 3-way make-out and they all disappeared at one point and i’ve not spoke to him yet lol)

  21. Hi guys,

    I have been reading about seduction and the Red Pill since about 10 months and implementing it into my life. It has brought me a lot of success but I am yet to internalize all the mindsets and succumb to my old ways of thinking and acting occasionally. This might be a little long, I just needed some input from you guys about this situation I am in right now. So here goes:

    I used to be a blue pilled nice guy who sucked with women but after coming across TRP and other dating and attraction material, I was thrilled with the idea of being able to get one night stands or Same Night Lays. I concentrated all my efforts to achieve this and as of today, I have had 10 SNLs and pulling women on the first night after a date (I meet girls through internet dating) now seems to come fairly easily to me. However, I have problems keeping the girls I pull in my life. Previously, I used to be so fascinated with having pulled a girl on the first night, that I would then pursue them hard right from the very next day and end up doing needy things and lose them eventually. I also lost a few girls because of pulling them the first night as they felt slutty for having slept with me the very first night and did not want to talk to me again.

    Therefore, recently I have been trying to not escalate and pull girls that I really like after just the first date and I have been trying to go slow and steady. However, recently I met a girl online that seemed really fun and she is really cute. I suggested we meet up and she was ready to do so during the weekend. As I was not going to be in town on the weekend, she agreed to meet me after work on a weeknight.

    We had a great date and we were having great fun and the vibe was very flirty but I consciously made an effort not to sexualize the conversation too much. Finally after having a few drinks and something to eat, it was already around midnight and I suggested we grab an ice cream at another place as I wanted to venue change and continue the date for a while longer. I did not however intend to pull her. We started walking to the next venue, but after a few steps she said, she doesn’t want to walk because she was wearing heels and suggested that her house was close by and that she might have some ice cream in her house and that we could have that.

    Though I had no intention of pulling her, I thought I would have come across as a wuss if I turned down her invitation to go back to hers and that she might think I wasn’t interested so I went back with her. However, it turned out that she hardly had any ice cream left and we ended up ordering some more. In the meanwhile, she had invited me into her bedroom and we were sitting on her bed. She was being very playful and touching me a lot and I went for the kiss and she enthusiastically returned my kiss and we made out for a while. The kissing then turned into some heavy petting and she told me how she would have loved to go all the way and that if we had met on the weekend, we could have done that because tonight was the last day of her period. However, me made out some more and finally had ice cream.

    It was very late by this time and she had to work tomorrow. She seemed torn between having me there and telling me to leave as it was very late. She would say that she needed to get to bed and that I needed to leave now and when I made an attempt to get my jacket and call a cab she would suddenly start making out with me again and pull me into bed and lay beside me resting her head on my chest. It was almost approaching dawn now, and finally I decided to take a cab and she changed into her nightclothes. When my cab arrived she kissed me passionately again and I left her place.

    The next day I decided to just check in with her as it seemed rude to say nothing but at the same time I did not want to get into a long drawn text conversation and sound needy as I have done that in the past and lost girls. So I just texted her asking if she made it to work and joked about me keeping her up all night and how she probably hates me for doing that. She replied saying she made it to work an hour late and that she did not hate me and she jokingly said she was a little angry with herself for having stayed up so late. I ended the conversation with “Take care. Let’s talk soon 🙂 And in the meanwhile, if you do come this side of town, do let me know”

    She did not reply to this and that is where this situation stands now. I really like this girl and want to see her again. I am going to a beach party town this weekend with my buddies and will be having fun and meeting a lot of women there. I plan to go have fun and shoot her a text after I am back asking her to catch up again. Is this the best course of action? I know I have had problems in the past,with giving girls space after the first date having gone very well. But do I not text her for a week after making out with her and all the heavy petting or do I need to shoot a text in between?

    I have this urge to let her know that I don’t view her as just an ONS and would like to see her again, but at the same time feel that it might come across as needy and push her away. She really opened up to me when we were back at her place and told me about the weird ways guys have acted before and also that all her previous boyfriends were insecure and needy and how I just seemed normal and chilled out and that is what led her to bring me back home with her and that she doesn’t do this with every guy she meets.

    I have ****ed up situations like this many a time with girls I really like and I am in the same situation now and don’t want to do the same. Would love to hear your feedback and tips guys!!!

    Thanks in advance.

  22. @Student

    You are correct that buyers remorse sets in after a lot of FNL’s and it’s almost impossible to overturn. The ASD deletes you from their memory – you don’t exist therefore it didn’t happen therefore they’re not a slut.

    There is a woman I sometimes see that I had an FNL with 25 years ago. She still avoids me now. She hates to be reminded of it. She had a boyfriend at the time and drove us back to her place after I met her in a bar.

    Others may have ways to counter this but I go over 2 dates now if I want to see them again.

    You’re looking like you have oneitis for the ice cream girl.

    If you wanted to keep her on the matrix you should have got to comfort stage then got out of the interaction prior to the make out.

    By the time you got her back she was hot and DTF big time..

    You blew it I’m afraid.. the last day of her period thing may have been true but she was looking for you to say ‘ah don’t worry about that’ or similar..

    I’ve never managed to reverse a situation where I have gone that far on a first date and not sealed it.

    Others may have methods but I’d move on.

  23. @Palmasailor

    I told her I have had sex with a girl on her period many times, but she said she just couldn’t do it. She even pushed my hands away when it once got near her vag saying don’t go there today.

    But you are right, I might have blown it. But in the options I have now, do I contact her over the weekend or just hit her up next week? I know neither might salvage it. But what is the better option?

  24. I didn’t ask how old she is – if under 25 she may have almost no ASD in which case you may just be able to go round and bang her.

    Otherwise

    If you really want to hit her up I’d send her birthday cat in about 3 days and close instantly on a meet but give a false time constraint..

    “We could get coffee tomorrow, but I can only stay for an hour”

    That way she’s protected from thinking you’re just gonna start from where you left off – ie you want to get to know the real her.. and you’re not just gonna try to fuck her.

    Might not be the right article but it’s a hamster reset technique

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/02/23/random-cat-game/amp/

    Don’t be too hard on yourself, you got her back and 80% of men can’t do that.

  25. @Palmasailor

    Hey! She is 25! Thanks for the link. We actually had this joke going about her nose being funnily shaped. I can use the cat picture and link it to that maybe.

    She was also joking about going to the mall with me to show me glasses that she thought would better suit me.It was all fun banter. You think it’s a good idea to use a little bit of call back humor and maybe lead with the cat meme and her funny nose thing and say something like

    “When are you giving me your tips on me getting a new pair spectacles btw?”

    And try to set up a meeting at the mall or something instead of at a bar for drinks, where she might feel obligated to put out since we almost went all the way last time.

    The problem with me now isn’t getting girls back to mine or hers, now I am aiming at having steady girlfriends. I am aiming at looking to keep girls around which I haven’t been able to.

    Should have ejected without going back to hers like you said, but since she explicitly invited me, I thought refusing would kill it.

    Anyways I want to use this as a learning experience. At this exact stage I have acted needy and lost chicks now I want to try a different approach and see where it goes. In the end, I am still going to learn something to remember next time.

  26. @Student

    Laughing about her nose was good

    I inadvertently called a girl ‘nosey’ and she totally lost her shit because she was self conscious about a slightly odd nose .. it was all in her head – I hadn’t even. Priced it..but she was late 30’s

    I’d do something like call her out on still owing you ice cream… she can make it up to you at the mall while advising you on eyewear

    Hit her with birthday cat first to re open her..

    I saw this and thought of you type thing..

    Her Awwwww…

    You – anyway you still owe me I’ve cream rubber nose..

    Etc..

  27. Student

    “. At this exact stage I have acted needy and lost chicks now I want to try a different approach and see where it goes. ”

    Well you’re acting needy now too… Kill it. Act like the chill guy she thinks you are. What would that guy do?

    So go hang at your party with your friends and when you are back and want to see her again just hit her up and go meet and do what you want.

    In the future know that if she is inviting you back… It’s not about the ice cream lol. It’s about escalating. So you need to look into last minute resistance and breaking through that. Basically you make out then you pull back then start up again and keep chipping away. She wants you to break through so listen for clues.

    Like when she said it was getting late but kept jumping on you just say yeah let’s crash and move her to the bedroom like you are going to sleep. “Just sleep though don’t get any ideas” etc. Then cuddle and escalate in bed from there.

    PS – If she was really on her period why didn’t you take your cock out or put her hands on it or something?

  28. Several of you are gonna spit out your morning Cofvefe about this idea

    But has anyone ever gone on the pull with a gay wingman…

    I don’t mean a bit of a puff here, I mean an absolute howler..

    Lately I’ve been doing very well indeed in the local gay bar and struck up a few unlikely acquaintances.

    They’re incredibly good at opening sets which is something I’ve always had to do and it gives me a different approach and a whole different load of content for the game.

    Used to hang out with two lesbians I worked with (and lived with temporarily) and that was good as well.

  29. Palma

    Gays have massively strong frames, especially the flaming ones, and a deep understanding of the feminine mindset. They can also get away with tons of kino and outrageous behavior because “gay” doesn’t count.

    Could easily work as wings.

  30. @Sentient

    They’re also ALL members of the secret society apparently..

    I’m doing it..

    I’ll report back

  31. @ Sentient

    I did not whip out my dick since I did not have a condom on me. And also because I have had sex with girls on the first night and then lost them. I wanted to hold out a bit longer. I know it is the women who try to do that generally.

    Thanks. I will just be the cool guy and text her when I am back in town. I was just wondering whether that is the right way to go or if I needed to send her a message sooner because how the night went down.

  32. @ Sentient

    Wow! Thanks for that link from Todd. Can we please breakdown my situation brutally? I seemed to have missed a lot of what she was trying to say to me during the night. I was too caught up with my own previous experiences with other woman to I guess read what this one was communicating.

    Do you think she was looking all along for me to really push it so that she could have just rationalized that it kind of happened in the moment? Was I too hesitant and not man enough to really take the responsibility off of her shoulders and just fucked her? Now that I think of it, she kept on making out with me though she had verbally said she did not want to have sex since it was the last day of her period.

    It was only when I told her that I did not have a condom on that she finally went into her bathroom and changed into her nightclothes and finally allowed me to book a cab and leave.

    Damn! I thought I had a got a hang of this, now it seems there were so many things I misread with this girl!!!!

  33. @Student

    “We started walking to the next venue, but after a few steps she said, she doesn’t want to walk because she was wearing heels and suggested that her house was close by and that she might have some ice cream in her house and that we could have that.”

    She wanted to be fucked and she wanted you to make it happen.

    She wanted you to push / seduce her through the time of the month thing..

    I would suggest you handled that wrong by verbalising you’d done it lots of times

    Instead I’d have gone along the lines of ‘don’t worry about that’ and escalate on an assumptive basis..

  34. @Palmasailor

    Damn! She mentioned the last day of period thing only after I told her I did not want to go all the way with her because I wanted this to be not just another one night stand. Now I am kicking myself!!!

    So please let me know one thing. If you want to keep a girl around, do you at all times exit the date with a kiss on the cheek or at maximum at kiss on the lips at the venue itself and not make it back to either her or my place at all??

    What if she comes up with the idea of going back herself without you having any intention of closing that night??? How could I have gotten away without her feeling I was a wuss or that I wasn’t attracted to her??

  35. Student

    My take

    If she invited you back you have to go and hit it and take your chances she wants seconds..

    Sentient may have another approach, so may others..

    But if she invites you back she’s DTF

  36. It is a problem.. some dates just go so brilliantly well that you just end up doing it.

    I’m only just getting the grips of mystery and I don’t know if you can, or even should, throttle those dates back or take what’s on offer and to hell with it.

  37. @Palmasailor

    Man! I used to struggle with getting women into bed and now I am trying to find ways to not do that. This is crazy!!!

    And for me, I have never had a “normal” date. Either there is no spark at all and neither of us is interested and we just politely part ways or it goes really well.

    I now sexualize my conversations a lot and do good kino so the ones that go well, go amazingly well and the chick ends up wanting more. So I either end up at hers or mine.

    I don’t know how to solve this peculiar problem. Do you maybe think I should just concentrate on my bedroom skills so that I bang the ones that I pull really well, so that they just have to come back for more?

    Because I do feel I am not very good in bed and tend to become a little less assertive while I am in bed whereas I would have had great frame and dominance before the clothes come off.

  38. @Sentient

    Eagerly awaiting your feedback. I just feel I am stuck at this peculiar stage in my journey which is preventing my growth. Want to really get to the bottom of this as this has happened to me multiple times.

  39. @Student

    I’m half way through a long Mediterranean lunch and this needs proper thought which I think sentient will provide tomorrow.

    In the meantime

    “I do feel I am not very good in bed”

    This will be coming through in your sub comms.

    I have a plate I see every time she gets bored with her BF.. it’s about every 4 months.

    By the time we meet (usually the afternoon) she’s been wanking off all morning and she gets off without me even touching her. When I do touch her she blows.

    It’s all in her head.. but I create that.. I don’t know exactly how to be honest but if I had to guess it would be down to my lack of availability, lack of compliance, slight assholery, and the momentum from previous encounters.

    Check your mindset on the sex thing.

  40. Heh

    Low sexual competence was in the list to unpack. And I’ll explain what was the tell.

    Basically Student your problem is the “faux Alpha” problem. You are a sheep in Wolfe’s clothes.

  41. @Palmasailor

    Wow!

    I used to have huge sexual hangups and watched a lot of porn. It is only recently after coming across Game and the TRP, that I have started having sex with women. So I am still not as confident in bed.

    I have cut out fapping to porn from my life, started lifting, though I was generally always fit and I am eating healthy and also got into MMA. But I still am not the real deal in bed or don’t feel like it. Any tips to improve??

  42. @Sentient

    I certainly do fee like a Faux Alpha. Since I am not very confident that I can rock a woman’s world in bed. Please let me know the tell and how you think the girl perceived it. And now I am pretty sure she did.

    Also any tips on improving in bed would be much appreciated. Thanks

  43. @Student

    “Any tips to improve??”

    Be cautious of accepting too easily prescriptions by other men, either red or purple pill dating coaches. Usually the men here will give you solid advice but ultimately it is up to you how to filter all this information via your own experience with women by trial and error! Use this information to carve your own path because by becoming a self-made man you build your inner confidence.

  44. @student

    I wasn’t trying to be the boy showing that.

    I’m trying to make the point that I’m not doing anything much physical to get her in that state.

    Yes she gets pinned to the bed and dominated but it’s not pornstar 7 hour performance… her brain however has already done most of the work.

    Orson has a point, you’re hardly in incel hell, you have got them in the bedroom with their panties round their ankles and lots of men go their whole lives without achieving that.

    It’s a question of trimming the wings of the aircraft, not ditching it at sea and building a whole new one.

  45. “her brain however has already done most of the work.”

    Her biggest sex organ. Fuck her mind and her body will follow.

    Student, google Sex God Method for starters.

  46. @Orson

    Yes of course. Have been going through the process of trial and error with everything I have been learning in the TRP and Game.

    @Palmasailor @Sentient

    Yes, I get that a lot of it is mental. But I think what has been happening is that I have done a lot of pickup, dating etc and have gotten really comfortable with it. Whereas I haven’t had sex that many times and some of the times it hasn’t been good so, my sexual confidence is a little low in comparison to my confidence during the date and the interaction.

    Due to this as Sentient points out even I have sometimes gotten the feeling that a girl perceives me as really alpha and dominant but as I become less confident when it comes to the bedroom, it is a kind of a let down for her since she expected me to be as confident and dominant till the close.

  47. @studentofseduction92

    “Also any tips on improving in bed would be much appreciated”.

    Best way I improved my skills in the bedroom (besides reading Sex God Method) was by watching examples of what the top sex performers actually looks like (you can tell by the comments left by chicks (yeah chicks watch lots of porn too if ya didn’t know) on their videos. So those guys would be: Owen Gray and James Deen.

    Bonus:

    Here’s Deen’s 5 secret for lasting longer in bed:

    Stamina Trick #1: Distract Yourself.

    Focus on anything your not sexually aroused by. It could be as simple as looking around the room and thinking to yourself, “Wow, that’s a really nice painting,” or “Wow, that’s some real ugly paint.” Find something that is distracting enough that it pulls you away from the edge of coming, but not so distracting that you lose your boner completely.

    Stamina Trick #2: Mix Pain With Pleasure.

    Give yourself another kind of sensation, other than the feeling of your penis inside her. For example, tell your girl to slap you in the face, pinch you, or bite you. Sometimes in the middle of a scene you’ll see me grab my arm and shove it in the girl’s mouth and say “Bite me, bite me hard!” because I’m incredibly turned-on and want to come. I know that if I do that, I’m going to focus on the fact that someone is going to be biting me. Interestingly, it’s the same sort of thing as distraction with Stamina Trick #1, except that it actually adds to the sexuality of love making. It’s something I find arousing, but in a completely different way. It’s a little less of a turn off – it’s more of a way to stay connected, to stay present with the girl you’re with… but at the same time takes the focus off your penis.

    Stamina Trick #3: Don’t Over Rely On Mr. Johnson

    Sex isn’t just about putting your penis in a girl and moving it in and out. You need to do a hell of a lot more than that. Use your tongue, your fingers, and your mouth on her pussy, her legs, her thighs, her feet… EVERYWHERE. There’s a lot of erogenous zones on a woman – find them all. Touch a woman all over, because every woman likes to be touched in different places and in different ways. Experiment and find out what she likes – what gets her off. Plus, this gives you a break. So you’re pounding away at your girl, then pull out and use other parts of your body to make her feel good. Then put it back in and go at it some more. This way you can have sex for hours – you could potentially last for as long as the girl wants and as long as you want. You don’t need to just be pounding the entire time. Stop and do other things that make her feel great and that give your Johnson a break.

    Stamina Trick #4: Get Fit

    The fourth stamina trick is to be in good health. Good health has a big effects on every type of physical performance, including sexual stamina. Exercise regularly, drink water instead of soda, etc. You know the drill. And if you run on a treadmill, you’re going to have the stamina to be able to have sex for a long time without getting as winded as other guys. So get fit.

    Stamina Trick #5: Get Out Of Your Head

    If you are having sex with a woman – if she let you put your penis inside their vagina – it means she likes you. Guys talk to me about small dicks, big dicks, stamina, etc. Most girls don’t care. Some girls like big dicks, some girls like small dicks. The majority of girls, if they’re going to fuck you, they want to fuck you. And they’re not going to kick you out of bed just because you have a small dick or something like that. Again, if a girl is going to bang you, she probably likes you, so you can stop fucking worrying about it if you cum in thirty seconds. If you cum in thirty seconds she’ll still probably like you. As long as you like her and want to be with her and you want to get her off, you’ll be fine. Stop worrying about it so much. Plus, as you stop worrying about it and put less pressure on yourself to “perform,” you’ll start to last longer too”

  48. “If you cum in thirty seconds she’ll still probably like you. ”

    But may stop fucking you.

    “And they’re not going to kick you out of bed just because you have a small dick ”

    I defer to your experience in this regard.

    ” if she let you put your penis inside their vagina”

    Holy Mindset!!! Let??? smh

    The issue here goes beyond “don’t worry”. If you are not getting repeat business there are reasons and those reasons understood.

  49. @ j thanks for that.

    @sentient @j

    I have never had a problem of cumming early. It is getting it up that has caused me problems sometimes. Happened for the first time when I tried to fuck a chick I wasn’t attracted to. I was practising my Game and didn’t much care for the quality of the girls back then. Wanted to just get more reference experience and ended up not being able to get it up.

    That left a scar on me and I still think about it whenever I take a new girl to bed. I researched a bit and realized too much fapping to porn may be the cause of it and hence have cut out both porn and masturbation from my life now.

  50. @sentient

    Also just got the book Sex God Method that you suggested and I am reading it now.

  51. Funny I didnt want to include tip 5 only because I knew I was gonna get this exact reaction lol.

    Ya if you follow the first 4 steps From Deen, you’re not gonna last 30 seconds. Chicks only text me for one reason. And it’s not because of how good looking i am or how much money I have. Or because of how good my “game” is (good game + shit sex skills = no texts back…field tested lol)

  52. I have never had a problem of cumming early.

    It happened to me my first time. If you do orgasm quickly, just wait a few minutes to reset, then start again. The girl will be more aroused because of anticipation and will orgasm quickly herself. I expected a single fuck my first time, but the girl wanted a five day fuck fest. So, you can recover.

    And don’t be afraid to pull out and start kissing, nibbling, biting, tickling, spanking, finger-fucking, etc. for a while.

  53. @Sentient

    Would love to know more aspects of Faux Alphaism. Awaiting your breakdown of my situation.

  54. @student

    “it turned out that she hardly had any ice cream left and we ended up ordering some more”.

    faux alpha: what no ice cream??? why did she invite me over if she doesn’t have ice cream?..sigh I’ll order some more.

    alpha: aight she wants dick tonight.

    “The next day I decided to just check in with her as it seemed rude to say nothing”

    faux alpha: well I mean I HAVE to say something. girls don’t like rude boys.

    alpha: mentally next her for leaving me blue balls. but if she texts me back, I’ll text her back assuring her it’s no big deal.

    “she doesn’t do this with every guy she meets.”

    faux alpha: believing her

    alpha: lol

    “Do you think she was looking all along for me to really push it so that she could have just rationalized that it kind of happened in the moment?”

    https://youtu.be/b-CRjM05y3g?t=10m35s

    10:35 – 13:15

  55. @Student

    “it turned out that she hardly had any ice cream left and we ended up ordering some more.”

    Faux Alpha: thinking she wants ice cream
    Alpha: thinking she wants dick

    “The next day I decided to just check in with her as it seemed rude to say nothing”

    FA: checking in because its rude not to do so
    A: mentally nexting her for leaving you with blue balls. Approach other girls IRL (online game does not improve your self-confidence).

    “and that she doesn’t do this with every guy she meets”.

    FA: believing her
    A: lol

  56. @J

    “(online game does not improve your self-confidence)”

    True.. I don’t see it said often, but Online doesn’t do you any good.

    Almost any kind of real world game is better.

  57. @j @palmasailor

    I do Daygame as well. For the last 3 months however I had been extremely busy so have been relying on online Game.

  58. @Student

    I think of it more as talking to people in real life rather than day or night game.

    I’m sure some jo is gonna stand up and correct me but if you’re 50 like me and you want significantly younger women online is almost impossible.

    Some of the dating sites even block your access to women much over 10 years younger.

  59. studentofseduction92

    The problem of The Faux Alpha.

    The Faux Alpha is generally developed by PUA… it’s the fact that Game works, leading to long lost success with women, which is the yardstick the Faux Alpha uses most, not realizing that using a yardstick is of itself Faux Alpha and will always render Faux Alpha results…

    He has some game, but game is a facsimile, a simulacrum, a millimeter thin veneer. And the TRUTH always outs. It may out between your leaving a venue and her bedroom, it may out the next morning or the folllowing weekend or a month down the line.

    But it always comes out. Always leaves the Faux Alpha with no ability to establish any kind of real relationship with a girl. Shuffling through…

    #1 sign – can’t get repeat business. Girls not coming back, girls not trying to lock him down… Girls not bringing their best.

    I mean I look around and I am sad. Most guys I see 25-35 or interchangeable drones… They are rule following, boring betas. The trudge through BS jobs, have a small circle of like situated friends, all share similar interests, generally based on popular culture [binging, gaming, sportball, craft beer etc.]. Have sad little apartments… doing their own laundry…

    Generally proving to the world their testicles have not descended. They are followers and crave validation.

    A Faux Alpha always has the frame that HE alone is not ENOUGH. Mr. Nice Guys trying to solve equations. Faux Alphas always put their interests second. Faux Alphas always think about consequences.

    The Faux Alpha is just a BETA who has some success with women.

    There is nothing wrong with being a Faux Alpha, except deluding yourself that you aren’t. That’s the rub.

    Here are some thoughts on “What is Alpha?” for you to mull over…

    https://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/sentients-dynamic-passionate-authentic-framework/

    I encourage you to give this some serious thought, to look at examples of guys you know IRL and how the Alpha Triad traits are on display… and see where you stand by comparison.

    The shortcut to developing real Alpha is to follow The Platinum Rule – do whatever you want to do, whenever you want to do it. Note the contrast with The Golden Rule – Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    It’s scary, confusing even to start taking steps being guided by The Platinum Rule… You may legitimately not KNOW what you want to do, because you are a follower and never really had to think about it…

    I have been reading about seduction and the Red Pill since about 10 months and implementing it into my life.

    10 months is nothing… 10 SNLS is nothing really. Yes you are having some success, but realize you are on a many years journey. because that is what it will take to develop your mindset, your inner game.

    Though I had no intention of pulling her, I thought I would have come across as a wuss if I turned down her invitation to go back to hers and that she might think I wasn’t interested so I went back with her.

    Mindset. You had the ability to say NO. You had a plan, you couldn’t follow it because of the yardstick… You end up in a situation “in between”… You don’t bang her and you don’t prevent ASD (under your theory).

    Here is the tell

    The kissing then turned into some heavy petting and she told me how she would have loved to go all the way and that if we had met on the weekend, we could have done that because tonight was the last day of her period.

    You believe she is the prize, that for “sex” to happen she must be pleasured, that your desires don’t matter. You are NOT about “Teh Sex”, you are about “Teh Validation”… A focus on Validation brings weird unfulfilling sex…

    Another way to handle this… “period. well good thing I’m not on mine… Now this dick isn’t going to suck itself [takes out dick]”

    and finally had ice cream

    I have to lol at the persistence to score ice cream… Dog logic on full tilt.

    I have ****ed up situations like this

    Here is another tell… You mean to write fucked? write fucked…

    Was I too hesitant and not man enough to really take the responsibility off of her shoulders and just fucked her? Now that I think of it, she kept on making out with me though she had verbally said she did not want to have sex since it was the last day of her period.

    Yup. Faux Alpha… If an Alpha wanted sex, he would push through the LMR… If an Alpha didn’t want sex, he would have left before getting in this situation. Authenticity.

    Because I do feel I am not very good in bed and tend to become a little less assertive while I am in bed whereas I would have had great frame and dominance before the clothes come off.

    Yeah a follower is a follower… You can do almost anything with a woman and if it from your frame and for your pleasure they will find themselves liking it and wanting to please you… Why do you think girls show up at your work and blow you and split?

    The best way to get better at sex is to get better at sex. have a lot of sex, but have the sex that YOU want. You have an N of 10+ but how MANY times have you had sex?

    Get a girl, and fuck her 100 times… [Autist disclaimer – this doesn’t mean you have to limit yourself to her during this time] Fuck her every way you want to… Put in the time and effort to figure yourself out… then in the future ACT on what YOU want to do…

    J

    Faux Alpha: thinking she wants ice cream
    Alpha: thinking she wants dick

    True Alpha – doing what YOU want.

    FA: checking in because its rude not to do so
    A: mentally nexting her for leaving you with blue balls. Approach other girls IRL (online game does not improve your self-confidence).

    True Alpha – doing what YOU want

    FA: believing her
    A: lol

    True Alpha – not caring either way…

  60. “I have to lol at the persistence to score ice cream…”

    Give the girl behind the counter two bucks, she gives you ice cream. Works every time.

  61. @Sentient

    “You may legitimately not KNOW what you want to do, because you are a follower and never really had to think about it…”

    He does know what he wants. Steady girlfriends. The course of action he took (after only 10 months of study), was what he felt was the best strategy to go about that (due to negative reference experience of previously fucking girls the first night – which leads to “Therefore, recently I have been trying to not escalate and pull girls that I really like after just the first date and I have been trying to go slow and steady”). He doesn’t know (maybe now he does) that you CAN in fact, fuck a girl the first night and still keep her around (pending he starts fucking these girls well and give them enough post sex comfort to where they don’t feel like a slut and want to see you again). That’s what lead to his hesitation.

  62. J

    Reread

    “Though I had no intention of pulling her, I thought I would have come across as a wuss if I turned down her invitation to go back to hers and that she might think I wasn’t interested so I went back with her.”

    Mindset. You had the ability to say NO. You had a plan, you couldn’t follow it because of the yardstick… You end up in a situation “in between”… You don’t bang her and you don’t prevent ASD (under your theory).

    Following… Following led to “hesitation” … Though it’s not really hesitation lol. He would have fucked her if she let him. Thereby violating his own plan…

  63. “Robot brothel is “Rapist training ground””

    So much unreality compressed into that statement, that news story, that protest…a container shipload of blue pills.

    Sentient
    I believe the Robot!!!

    You must do so. It is required, because #RobotsToo!!!

  64. J we know you have trouble with context… You don’t have to keep pointing it out.

    Let’s fast forward on where all this PUA yardstickism is going though… Student is the beginner, you are approaching the middle and Yareally is the end. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

  65. #RobotsToo ..lol
    I wonder what will happen in the near future when sex robots will become too realistic and sex is a completely devalued asset to be utilised for achieving hypergamous goals.

  66. Sex is more than the physical act. If it weren’t, guys would be satisfied with jerking off.

    Sex ” robots ” are/will be a huge buffer ushering in the end of men.

    Weakness is not what’s meant by ” the meek shall inherit the earth ” btw.

    The weak shall inherit shit.

  67. It might be so! But robots have some advantages too… no period, no STDs, no shit tests and rationing of sex. Also consider that male libido is linear and not cyclical like the female one which means that only nymphos can cope adequately with the continuous flow of male sexual energy!
    Also you would not have so damn many thirsty men and incels out there!

  68. Most men.don’t get how to bend their libidos to the best advantage. Lackluster sex leads to the thinking that quantity is the answer. Contrary to popular belief, a majority of males are not insatiable sex dynamos. That’s a myth.

    Guys that use sex because they are in search of something will not find it all that satisfying. It’s like he addicted – like the mouse pressing the lever for food pellets.

    Properly stimulated and motivated women will give you all the sex you want, the way you want. It’s also a myth that women have lesser sex drives because when they are prompted via correct stimulus, they respond. Men in the other hand, don’t require very much stimulus at all.

    This is why dog logic won’t help to get you laid.

    Anything artificial will only exacerbate the problems men face. There is no utopia outside of your own mind. Attempting to escape the make burden will always end ultimately in failure.

    Busting nuts will not change this.

  69. If the meek shall inherit the earth
    And not the weak
    Let me inherit the street, fuck it
    You know what I mean?

    — Some guys from Strong Island

  70. “Attempting to escape the make burden will always end ultimately in failure.”

    I mean I love life man, you know what I mean
    Life is beautiful, it’s just the shit in it that’s fucked up
    It’s rough but it’s fair
    People gotta go out there and bust they, bust they ass for a job
    I mean, my dad’s got five kids, man and I mean yo
    He hates drivin’ a bus but he loves five kids
    You feel me?

  71. @Sentient

    I owe you big time for taking the time out and giving me such brutal feedback. Though I am not proud of it, I deep down know that most of what you said about is true.

    However, I do have a few questions. I do know I am just a beginner in Game and applying the TRP, but in your article you linked me to, you say Game is like learning a language. But our mindset must be in accordance with the Platinum Rule. But what I tend to get carried away with is trying to measure how well I am learning the language of Game. I measure that by using a yardstick namely my success with women.

    How do I learn and improve my Game without using any yardstick to measure my progress?

  72. @ Sentient

    Yes, I have been guilty big time of making sex all about the pleasure of the woman. I have even pulled girls I haven’t been attracted to, just to get the validation that there are women out there who want to be fucked by me.

    I come from a very conservative background and I was taught all my life that my desires and interests weren’t important and that I had to always sublimate them.

    Growing up almost exclusively with female teachers and caretakers didn’t help, as I have always been seeking the approval of the feminine since that age. I was never given any masculine approval. My father used to brush aside all my achievements perfunctorily and highlight my flaws growing up.

    Anyways I am trying to unfuck myself from all this and like you say I am sure it’s a many year journey.

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