For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
I wrote this in the middle of last night after some great porn star quality sex with my life. I didn’t go back and review it this morning, so it might be off: j September 26, 2018 at 6:59 pm @SJF I don’t think this is what you had in mind (and probably has nothing to do with red pill lol)…but this is what I’d tell guys my age and younger: – Listen to music you can’t help, but enjoy listening to. – Watch lots and lots of movies. From all genres. And make a list of which ones made… Read more »
” . . . ‘initial/pre minute attraction’. You need to look ‘acceptable’ to her . . . ”
She’s a woman. She’s interested in what women are interested in. She looks there first.
So . . . shine your shoes.
”So . . . shine your shoes”
hehe
“@orson with only 20% coming from your own effort”. That 20% is what separates the elite from the good players. @blax “It doesn’t really take ” skill ” for the most part. A guy just needs to be fairly social and attract attention.” lol. “But, guys get laid. They’re not really sure why it happened, but dick wet = mission accomplished” YaReally: Aimless Alphas. these guys are cool, fun, out-going, social, flirty, can talk to girls, can get attraction. BUT, they’re kind of “winging it” and letting what happens happen…so they sabotage themselves accidentally, or they don’t escalate when a… Read more »
What?
😂😂😂😂😂
I like you j, but boy are you confused .
Pua’s ( my boy ya included ) make shit up to explain what they think is going on. None of what you pasted above makes any sense at all to me.
Difference between Game and endless pua guesswork.
Remember, I’m talking about dudes with some game and full fledged players that were never intimidated or afraid oor confused or any of the stuff pua is supposed to address.
2 different worlds.
“None of what you pasted above makes any sense at all to me”
Idk man, maybe you’re just dumb 😉
“full fledged players that were never intimidated or afraid oor confused or any of the stuff pua is supposed to address.”
Ahh yes. more vague old guy shit. I Nevvver get tired of reading it haha
Blaximus @j What? Aimless Alphas. That excerpt from yaReallly matches some observed reality. I saw it on travel in a couple of East Coast cities back in the summer, mostly 20-something men. Maybe West Indian Archie could explain it to you? By the way…Aimless Alphas. are the sort of men who can get really divorce raped, too, because they don’t actually have a pair of The Glasses, so they don’t really understand women. They never see frivorce coming until it runs over them. Then they wind up post-frivorce wondering why they can’t pick up women in the current world, because… Read more »
I see plenty outside of my social ( gigantic ) ” world”. Ever see how many times I asked ya where he was? Ever wonder why I asked him? ( Rollo asked him as well ). Because he spoke in.absolutes often, and he’d stumble into my wheelhouse saying stuff that I knew from long term experience that was patently untrue. Taking a short term stint doing biased observation and using it to back a theory/agenda. Last meeting I attended garnered 4,500 ” aimless men “. It’s not solopsism. My point to I stands, he needs to get around more and… Read more »
Fuck WordPress eating my comments again.
“Aye whatever makes your fake nigger ass feel better”
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL when you hit them with the truth and the “former” incel (idk if its really former) comes out……..
lol @J who hurt you
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
anyways to help some of you out tho
RED PILL is basically seeing things for they actually are not how you want them to be , or were told they were supposed to be.
Game…. Basically redefining because wants ( to fit w/e use you have).
Game…. Basically redefining peoples* wants ( to fit w/e use you have).
@palma
You are never gonna fuck an HB9 (unless you pay for it) ever again. Shut the fuck up with your mission shit and go fuck ur HB6 25 yr old like a good boy.
@mers
Lay off the antidepressants, b. You smart as fuck. ur contributions are powerful shit. @Newlys gotta archive ur alpha shit for other guys to see. Don’t know why he hasn’t…
@Blaximus: I think you are making several mistakes this time. Maybe you are trying to help others develop their inner game but not only I don’t think it will work, you are stating some stuff that is incorrect. Here is my take (caveat that I obviously don’t have nearly as much experience, but I’d be interested in what e.g. Sentient or HABD think about these). You can solve every problem if you know the solution. Some of us don’t quite know the solution and are here to learn. You have some nice stories but you aren’t necessarily a good teacher,… Read more »
@IAS
Excellent comment. wish you wouldn’t have included the “caveat” at the beginning, cause that shits weak.
“Lay off the antidepressants, b. You smart as fuck. ur contributions are powerful shit. @Newlys gotta archive ur alpha shit for other guys to see. Don’t know why he hasn’t…”
Idk why he hasn’t either……. shit if I he did I would actually be able to find it cuz im not going back through theese pages
@mersonia, @j
If mersonia can compile some of his best game advice comments, he can email me the text at my handle AT gmail DOT com. Same goes for the other guys that I’ve created pages for. I just don’t have time to go back, but if they do, all they have to do is email me the additions and I’ll add them to their pages (fleezer, blax, sentient thus far). Dudes should have their own master file anyway in case this site goes down.
@having a bad day,
You can eventually find the Book of YaReally for free. I did. IT’s massive though. 953 pages worth of goodness. I think it’s cool that the first comment he answered in the book, he mentions the Juggler Method (which I just created a summary page for).
@IAS:
It’s the other way around, Game(R) and True Game. What’s being sold vs. what is.
@Palma Sailor:
Empty boxes are useful. I pay money for them.
The issue with J J presented here not that long ago… a recent incel who was developing better game. Initially he denied looks, it was teased out of him in a defense “above average” description. As is the pattern in this arc, as he got some more success in puling he became ego invested in a “PUA” identity… The telltale “we” crept into his descriptions, ingroup signalling. same as Yareally. Ego/status payoffs emerged, less about the girls, other than HB rating [which as Mersonia noted – was sadly deficient], more about competition. “He” had the goods, and thus “you” did… Read more »
“Game” is the Art of Seduction.
“True Game” is 1) understanding other people, especially what they are trying to accomplish and how they are trying to accomplish it (their game) and 2) applying psychological and social skills to advance your game.
For some simple, hapless people, their game is simply trying to be liked. For others, it’s sexual seduction. For Wall Street types, it’s how to skim the system with low risk. For serial killers, it’s finding the next victim and gaining power over the victim.
On so called “Aimless” alphas… This was more of Yareally failing to understand alpha and his hatred of masculinity on display… ‘Aimless” only when viewed through the P U A lens of having to escalate always on the “hottest” chciks… of defining ALL success and worth through chicks… Hollow. so guys like this… these guys are cool, fun, out-going, social, flirty, can talk to girls, can get attraction. … they get into fights because to them Alphas aren’t afraid of fighting. … These guys get laid a lot… Become losers… preserving PUA self worth. whereas in reality those where the… Read more »
Deep Strength found an interesting post about incels. About 22% of men aged 25-35 did not have sex in the past year. If we limit this sample to the never married (likely these are incels), this falls to 13%. Men tend to overreport sexual frequency, so the 13% figure is likely low–I’d guess the number around 17%. Around 15% of women didn’t have sex in the past year. The fuglies. But the incel number among men is rising because men are becoming less attractive (not handsome–more like sexy and charming). And probably the 22% figure underreports the frequency of incels… Read more »
Palma Let me expand a bit. The problem is that a yardstick is used to measure self worth, it is not the kind of yardstick. At the core of the issue it’s how you get an ego/status payback. First it’s being a part of a dominance hierarchy – the group – and then figuring a way to be at the top of that hierarchy. On a sufficiently large group it could work – Trump perhaps, but the Js of the world figure out smaller and smaller and smaller groups to achieve this. If he were to be successful in business,… Read more »
+100
Real quick IAS because I’m out. If people start calling ramen noodles with a squirt of ketchup ” spaghetti “, the people that know better will object. It doesn’t matter if a million people call ramen noodles with a squirt of ketchup ” spaghetti “, it still doesn’t change the truth/fact. Once all of the people that actually know what spaghetti is die off, then the new description will take the place of the actual thing. And the new will be lesser. But hey, ramen noodles are quick and easy, taking only a few minutes. Who wouldn’t love that?😁 Never… Read more »
@Blax: your example (noodles and spaghetti) is apt, but current usage already, by pretty much everyone, including OMGs, including Rollo, for better or worse, already is “Game = PUA Game” instead of “Game = TRUE GAME”. Another apt example: (some) Italians are or would be horrified at some of the things people call “pizza” already, and yet here we are. @KFG, I don’t ever recall you using otherwise, I only recall Blaximus on this. But that was the less important point for me, because while I obviously also care about semantics (as you do as well). Game is a very… Read more »
We will just agree to disagree. I don’t really care how or who in the manosphere uses the term. I’ve heard it all my life – 57 years of it. It’s used inappropriately in the sphere ( and elsewhere ). There is a ” true game ” and it’s a disservice and disrespectful as all fuck to equate it with pua game(s). Did you know about ” Game ” all your life? Is it fairly new to you? Whatevs. When I hear a guy repeatedly, over and over and over and over again, refer to Game as only being about… Read more »
” And that’s one of the advantages of being Black/Latino/Minority/Real Game Aware White Guy. We realize that our bosses, politicians, cops, anyone with actual power over our lives – their value is illusory.”
Game via Archie.
Just a smidgen.
Blax, meanings get added to words. You don’t get to determine what words mean. Deal with it.
“Nobody thinks we are talking about “Game = Kid’s game” or “Game = Computer Game”, so what is the big deal, really?”
Because game is frame. That includes frame in relation to women, but is by no means exclusive, nor even most important, to it.
Game, as the word is used today, including its meaning of being good at seducing women, had its origin in blood sports, which has nothing to do with women, but a shit ton to do with frame.
The cock is game.
And a cock that is game is almost certainly also the cock of the walk.
“A couple of months ago I was at the Copa in NYC doing my asdgamer imitation. I went with a bunch of people, and one happened to be an ex-husband of one of my wife’s cousins. He is white, skinny, and had a large nose, big ears and a prominent adam’s apple. But he has Game. Lots of it. He had a good night. No one ” laughed ” at him, or did any other stupid shit like that. He danced and danced, and when he’d sit down, other chicks came over and asked to dance with him. Around 1… Read more »
“You don’t get to determine what words mean. Deal with it.”
+1
” . . . meanings get added to words.” But in this case it was the (R) that got added. The additional meaning is commercial propaganda, not natural evolution of language. Outside of the realm of that propaganda game still means what it did in the 20s when the word found urban popularity. I don’t typically make a big deal out of it, but I understand what Blaximus is talking about, and he is right. What the PUA coaches teach as “game” is like the martial art taught at your local stip mall Taekwando McDojo. And understanding that is a… Read more »
Well, what the hell is “it”?
I give @J one vote as a game cat.
Alley cat Tom.
@J Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh Black and orange stray cat sittin’ on a fence I ain’t got enough dough to pay the rent I’m flat broke but I don’t care I strut right by with my tail in the air Stray cat strut, I’m a ladies cat I’m a feline Casanova, hey man that’s that Get a shoe thrown at me from a mean old man Get my dinner from a garbage can Don’t go crossing my path I don’t bother chasing mice around I slink down the… Read more »
” if a PUA wrote a field report of doing the exact same thing, @blax would say he wasn’t using True Game. That’s why this whole shit is silly. ” Sigh. When I say my boy has Game, I’m not strictly speaking about the pua version of it. You don’t know him, but he has had Game for decades. We talk about 2 different things son. ” I’ve gamed there several times. I know what the talent is like there. Majority of girls are old and out of shape. Downstairs is mostly dance couples dancing salsa/bachata. Upstairs there’s younger spanish… Read more »
I always liked that stray cat strut. F it here is my OMG FR.Most of you know I lost track of my N count a long time ago. At 57 this July I got a deer out of season on my scooter doing 65mph. This put me in the ICU and hospitalized for 4weeks on morphine 24|7s + oxys as needed. As soon as i was released I got off that shit,My good wife of 37 years visited me regular in the hospital and drove me everywhere on getting released as all my trucks except one are stick shift and… Read more »
asd
” Blax, meanings get added to words. You don’t get to determine what words mean. Deal with it.”
I’m not determining anything. You can add shit to a word all you want, but doesn’t make it correct. You can call ” Fire ” , ” Ice ” but it will still burn your ass because facts matter.
Lol.
J, just cuz I pushed back on Blax’s attempt to control language doesn’t mean that I disagree with his insights about a more important version of game than PUA shit.
Boulder, sorry to hear your lame-ass excuse of missing the gym for several months just cuz you had a akseedent, lol. Good story. Bad decision to take on the buck in a car. lol Glad to hear you are recovering and props on keeping on keeping on.
We talk about 2 different things son.
Exactly my point. Just cuz your def is valid for your experience doesn’t mean that the same word can’t have other related meanings.
“Bad decision to take on the buck in a car. lol”
Thanks ASD Even worse hitting a doe on a motorcycle,that is what I did,had to leave it.
The buck was filling my tag for muzzleloader season. Got with a 54 cal. rifle
Palma Lol. Most guys studying/applying pua methodology are cool, down to earth people trying to learn some skills and apply them to get what they want. Then there’s j. We had a few of them over the years here in the comment section, talking , like everyone else was stupid or lacking. It’s fascinating up to a point, and Sentient ( who has seen more of this than I have ) fucking nailed it. When you start to see stuff like ” I don’t care about your ” X “, it starts becoming clear what’s going on here ( as… Read more »
asd
” Exactly my point. Just cuz your def is valid for your experience doesn’t mean that the same word can’t have other related meanings.”
Definitions matter. A Linebacker isn’t an offensive back. The name denotes a position and the qualities therein.
I’ve been hearing and learning about Game since the 60’s. I mean, you can call a car an airplane, but historically you’d be incorrect. When cars do fly ( I see you Volvo ) they will be called flying cars or something other than ” airplane “. That definition is taken.
It is scarce as hens teeth to find a young man with initiative in this feminine primary social order.
when I do find one,I let them do things their way as long as the end result is the desired one.
When they get better there are rewards.
Blax, quit cherry picking examples.
“Pussy” has a myriad of meanings, you pussy. 😉 And J is all about getting pussy. And, as I told Raquel Welch, when she asked me if I wanted to pet her pussy, I told her to get the damn cat out of the way.
@blax “When you start to see stuff like ” I don’t care about your ” X “ “More ego/status payoffs…More “I” have the goods and “you” do not…” yeah….I don’t care about Palma flaunting (“How bigs your cock now?”) his conspicuous consumption lifestyle here (look at my Ferrari, look at my yacht, check out this fine red wine yo estoy bebiendo en España….enjoying the good life. Bet ya’ll are pretty jealous huh 😉 ) I’m like ok bro, whatever makes YOU happy lol. Main reason I like rich people, is because through them, I can get access to places (with… Read more »
You could be more like me if you tried harder.
@boulder
immediately watched this clip after I read your ‘game cat’ comment above lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UFsMMFjmVs
always puts a smile on my face haha
@J
Ya thats what I mean by game cat,old Tom has the moves.
Nobody’s jealous. I.don’t read palma’s comments the same way you do. And I’ve always told you, do what you want. I support that. But you might be wrong about a few things. You will.either figure it out, or you won’t. I know a few guys that never figured life out. It happens. But you can never say ” waaahhh, nobody told me…. “.d At my age and with the life I’ve lived, I have zero reason to be jealous of any man living or dead ( Game rule ). That shit is a waste. I learned in my teens to… Read more »
@ASD
@BLAXXY
“t. But you might be wrong about a few things. You will.either figure it out, or you won’t. I know a few guys that never figured life out. It happens. But you can never say ” waaahhh, nobody told me…. “.d”
Well everyone is wrong and right about everything when you think about it…… and no one ever figured life out. lol
lol there’s only what you do
and what you don’t do (lolol but what you don’t do doesn’t matter)
Palma I.agree. Jealous people are missing the most important point. People that ” have ” and ” do ” are examples of the possibilities available to every man that’s willing to learn and ask. I’ve told a story here years ago, about some friends of mine that had a hand that became very popular back in the late 80’s early 90’s. They made a record but couldn’t get airplay on radio, and the record company wouldn’t spring the cash for a video to go into rotation on MTV. The band was on the verge of calling it quits. One member… Read more »
@newlyaloof
The book of Yareally can not be found fore free on the web. Do u care sending a copy to my email. thanks
Man pussying out on an approach today with either of two stunning teens (My idea of 9’s!) on the bus hurts almost as much as a legit rejection from some ‘7’ last night who gave me a rude rejection and then started hitting on the handsome barman telling him how hot he was lol.
I think i’d need to micro dose MDMA if i’m to start doing day game on barely legal stunners half my age!
@echo @havingabadday – so pua/game DOES work!…lol… it’s it a skill or not?… What i’m saying is that it works WHEN (and only when) you meet a certain threshold of what Roosh calls ‘initial/pre minute attraction’. You need to look ‘acceptable’ to her, and some hot girls are very superficial and the barrier to entry can be high. notice this for what it is… an excuse for why he can’t get those hot girls over there… ie those grapes were really sour…lol In other words, I agree again with people like Mark Manson (and most modern PUA’s) in that, game… Read more »
@j “YaReally always pushed the idea (which i agree with btw…) that ANY dude can get good with girls…” that’s the feel good shit I’m talking about (I used to believe it to). But seeing is believing. and by directly observing my PUA wings (former incels and former RSD inner circle members), naturals (their lay counts are less than mine, but they escalate on any girl that gives them a warm approach – which is what Ya said is how naturals get laid) I changed my mind. There was too much evidence to keep believing Ya. occasionally I turn to… Read more »
@Lappis @all
If you want to get your hands on the Book of YaReally, a dude named Jimmeh originally commented here about how he created it. Check out the original comment and get it before it’s gone. All these online resources will probably soon disappear, so you have to offline them now.
https://therationalmale.com/2016/08/07/trust-issues/comment-page-3/#comment-166054
Thank me very much.
@Newly “If mersonia can compile some of his best game advice comments, he can email me the text at my handle AT gmail DOT com.Same goes for the other guys that I’ve created pages for. I just don’t have time to go back, but if they do, all they have to do is email me the additions and I’ll add them to their pages (fleezer, blax, sentient thus far). Dudes should have their own master file anyway in case this site goes down.” Not gonna look back through these pages bruh bruh………. =( I had a word document …… on… Read more »
having a bad day
that dude with the n=6000 is a classic example… did you believe that article?…
Oh, but he was in a tourist zone banging tourist girls, like fishing in a goldfish bowl and hairy chest with some muscles, so proves nothing about Game or mindset or stuff because lookzism or something.
I mean, it’s not like he had his own secret society orf girls returning year after year. Nah. Some women even brought their adult-aged daughters to meet him. No secret society there, nossir.
Blaximus Last meeting I attended garnered 4,500 ” aimless men “. It’s not solopsism. My point to I stands, he needs to get around more and just pay attention. What are you babbling about? What does any of this have to do with the little point I made about the “aimless Alpha”; if that term annoys you because it’s associated with YaReally then call them “accidental Alphas” or some other term. Men who have enough Game to sometimes succeed and sometimes flame out, but who don’t know why or how they succeed / fail. Are you denying those men exist?… Read more »
@Palma Then her parting shot “I have to tell you I’m Seeing someone” As HABD wrote just above, what if you could have read her mind and known everything about her? You would have addressed her ‘risk/responsibility point’ much earlier. If you think about it, the whole seduction process for women is about flowing through the path of least emotional resistance. Upside with no downside. Assume the game is on, they want dick, the only thing left to do is to reduce barriers to entry. So we make it more socially acceptable and lead them to daylight. Pepper in masculine… Read more »
@newlyaloof @HABD
YaReally Archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20170708104513/http://www.yareallyarchive.com:80/
or
https://www.reddit.com/r/yareally/comments/99dvo7/yareally_is_gonedamn/e6j3pge/
@IRL,thanks man.
Hey guys! Need advice…
I have read the Rational male, the Sub reddit sidebar and now reading positive masculinity. But the information is just too Meta for me to understand and apply, for me who have zero approaches and experience with women. So my question is – what have you gone through to understand the red pill so profoundly? And what you suggest for me to experience to understand it like you?
And on another note. Where or from who I learn game and frame? How did you started?
Thanks in advance
@Van Gosen Too much reading. Time to act. Learn by doing, there’s no other way. have zero approaches and experience with women Then ‘400 approaches’ are for you: 1) [approach… with smile/smirk and eye contact…] 2) ‘can you tell me how to get to [the pet store/or whereever…]?’ 3) [wait for the response] 4) ‘thank you’/’thank you anyway’ (depending on response)… that’s a really nice [neckless/purse/dress/etc]. i like it. it really suits you/makes your outfit/compliments your eyes/etc. have a great day! 5) [then you LEAVE the interaction…on that high note of giving value… in a socially congruent way…] don’t stay… Read more »
” . . . for me who have zero approaches and experience with women.” You’ve never bought something from a checkout girl? “– what have you gone through to understand the red pill so profoundly?” I observed people and tried to make sense out of them. That led me to trying to make sense out of the fact that they (including myself) make no damned sense. That turned out to be the right meta level to start getting a grip on things and start making sense. So, you’re going to have to come to an understanding of the meta, but… Read more »
@Palma
Have you read the full Yareally comment on comfort/trust I linked for you?
Some people can get so involved in building a box that they forget what it’s for.
Palma I know it seems I bag on yareally ( not my full intention as I had some great interactions with him) but I thought he was a very cool guy. It’s just that he was uber guarded and feared being doxxed. I even joked that I was gonna dox him and he freaked out. He never responded to questions about where he was, not even what General region. Rollo and I asked him a few times while trying to get a handle on why he said what he was seeing so consistently. He has said that he didn’t live… Read more »
@blax
why would he come back
….like everyone good at this shit……unless they’re doing it for money ( and the best ones don’t(like me)) they always leave
Whenever possible, go out on your own terms without butthurt.
Or
Never let them see you sweat.
Lol. Not a pic mantra.
Pua…. Not pic.
@Palma “Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless and add what is specifically your own” (Bruce Lee) Useful = whenever Mystery, Ya and PUAs are aligned with the laws of evo-bio-psych-physics. Useless = each mental model is just that, a model, and has its limitations, so don’t get ego invested when pressed against a flat Earth’s edge. BTW, keep close to your heart the current lesson of how difficult it is to spot and change mental habits = pons asinorum of manning up. It will (should!) repeat again and again. In other news hot off the press she’s just… Read more »
@Palmasailor
you only talk to ugly bitches bro……………………………..we’ve seen the pics.
its okay somebodys gotta keep em happy
Van Gosen English is your second language, right? Random ramblings: I disagree with the too much reading time, time to act. Zero approaches and experience with women places you squarely on the left side of unconscious incompetence along a spectrum of competence. You could waste a lot of time if thrown in the water without knowing how to swim. You could drown in doing it wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stages_of_competence You don’t know what you don’t know. (You need to read selectively, and judiciously. Reading is an efficient way to assimilate knowledge from others, but you should be efficient at reading. Of course… Read more »
Palma
Yas game stuff is solid. He was an old school MM guy at heart.
IRLs repost was good because I think it hit the question I had on your interaction – did you sexualize at all?
Also note that MM part of comfort is kissing. Not heavy make outs, but kissing.
Good luck
“I know it seems I bag on YaReally ( not my full intention as I had some great interactions with him) but I thought he was a very cool guy.” I thought he was a very cool guy too. I also think he was a dick here in this domain. https://therationalmale.com/2014/12/23/domain-dependence/ Couldn’t even carry on a conversation in the manosphere Venn Diagram bridging Red Pill and PUA in a tribe of guys that included red pill. Couldn’t even be “nice” to Rollo. Not that he needed to be. Every unhappy guy is unhappy in his own way. Happy self-actualized guys… Read more »
On the power of brief moments So six months ago I had a short but powerful interaction with an 8 booth babe, at the elevator where we chatted and she was showing me her new pants and I slipped my hand into the waist at the front and wiggled the waistband and some comment on it being a little loose. It didn’t go anywhere, she was off to dinner with clients and the next day her husband came in. Saw her yesterday again. Nothing more than a glance, but I knew she was here. This morning I went over to… Read more »
IRL to Palma BTW, keep close to your heart the current lesson of how difficult it is to spot and change mental habits = pons asinorum of manning up. It will (should!) repeat again and again. Neuroplasticity tells me that changing habits is a multilayer process. We establish some equilibrium point and it’s not easy to move off of it permanently. Example: $usan Wal$h, die hard 2nd stage feminist who got worried about her daughter and other girls of the age cohort. “Hooking Up Smart” was her web effort to help them. For a time she was actually willing to… Read more »
“Even after a 2 hour meet tonight it will only be 4 hours face time, not 7”
Lmao
Palma, the key thing is to bounce twice…the total length of time is irrelevant. Seven hours is an estimate of the time needed at three venues–if you can shorten the time, that works fine. Bounce to loc 2 (for food) and right when you get the order, complain about the food and suggest bouncing to loc 3 (another food place) immediately. Probably will take you less than three hours total.
Sounds like you have a self-control issue that causes you to aim for S prematurely. Autopilot habit thing.
Palma While the overall A C S process is correct, there is a lot of frenetic cycling underneath. Refer again to the IOI and IOD chart. That feedback loop never stops. Modren PUA gloss over this dynamic with the catch all “calibration”. Also there is no cliff vesting of stages. You don’t automatically keep Attraction just because you had it. Same with Comfort etc. There is no “set and forget” You need to keep sprinkling in everything as you move towards sex. Reread IRLs Yareally post above. Where he is sexualizing and DHVing in the comfort stories. And think about… Read more »
@Palma Even after a 2 hour meet tonight it will only be 4 hours face time, not 7. Ahh man, too much dog logic… Don’t go Blackdragon/’PUA box’ on us now… with perfectly delineated rules that solve your calibration problem for you… until they don’t… The issue with the MM book is that a lot is expressed in terms of specific routines that matched Mystery’s style (in places it’s just a copy paste of various in-field notes). It can cloud the WHY behind the HOW if you read it literally. But I suppose it would be too dry and academic… Read more »
@IRL,
I never saw that comment of yours, but it was bad ass enough for me to create a page for it so I can save it. Thanks.
https://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2018/10/03/irl-goes-deeper-with-the-mystery-method/
@Palma I know: going through the motions, gaining new reference experiences, noticing nuances and shifting mental habits. I’m going through that right now, just outside of PUA (and needed “7 hours” suggestions/steps too). The point is to not stop at training wheels. The experimenting bit is even better (finding the truth of the situation = no bad outcomes). BTW, your PPP reminded me of this (to bring it back to FRs): http://archive.is/IkhP1 Look at how Thinman sexualized Day 2 with the Submission Fantasy girl (there’s an LR there… but why did he go down on her… I share fleezer’s sentiment)… Read more »
“Just had the “I’m not feeling well I have to cancel” lie” Yeah I was gonna say upthread “confirmations” don’t mean shit, dude but I didn’t wanna be a dick You don’t know how many times I’ve heard/read “I got two dates line up this week 😎” or “yeah got a date with this chick tomorrow but I’ll hit u up after its done” or whatever and the girls end up flaking/ Ghosting them on the day of the meet. Even if the girl was super attracted to them in the moment. SNL or bust. Move fast. Welcome to 2018… Read more »
@j I didn’t wanna be a dick Oh, I thought the sole purpose of this section was to be dicks to each other and have your FI conditioning shaken off before it goes for the throath irl… lol Welcome to 2018 Let’s don’t get carried away. This just pushes it behind the horizon of what can be controlled. Not quite there yet. Palma knows he could have done things differently (and not just SNL). Sooo many social/emotional tweaks still possible. Why the 2018 card? I bet that if we dissected his post-FR interaction, we could find other nuances that led… Read more »
@IRL “I have to tell you I’m Seeing someone” YaReally: “A lot of times it’s easier to bang them than to get contact info out of them, because a random fuck is a secret fun adventure that probably won’t have any repercussions for her life/relationship, whereas she doesn’t know if giving you her # might result in you phoning her all the time or calling when she’s with her boyfriend and could get her in trouble and/or ruin her shit. It sounds from the up-for-an-adventure “so what next?” (VS a dismissive “well it was nice meeting you”) and the eyes-lighting-up… Read more »
So does this mean that the ” 2016 ” cards are no longer valid?
“Plus she was up for the make out, it would have been easy” would have destroyed the sexual tension. She’d be validated…. “every time I’ve longed it out over 3 dates they’ve fallen hard for me and they still come back” because there was still sexual tension in place. There is still that whole “there’s a chance, but it’s not certain” feeling. Todd describes it here starting at 9:25 when discussing “obviousness of outcome” (Heartiste also touched on the subject with his article, “The Girl Notch”): https://youtu.be/xzuEmYkgDxE?t=9m25s and the thing is, you can actually create that same feeling in a… Read more »
Palma
“sometimes I think they don’t even like us for us, i.e. not even our looks or status, but they like the chase, seeing us as better than them, trying to get us, and when they succeed they feel validated”
Well…yeah…and?
Something about “another notch in my lipstick case…” from the 1980’s.