For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
@philconnors
the fact that you believe in and give advice in avoiding “no” girls ….tells more than enough scrub
@Phil I guess it just depends which ‘school of thought’ you are from in regards to PUA. Mystery method or Mark Manson or one of the other ones. Maybe the ‘No girls’ term that Manson coined rubs people up the wrong way. I guess Manson doesn’t believe that ‘game’ can get you every single girl you want though which maybe some guys here do? I don’t know. Whatever. She wasn’t into me and that’s that. I might be out on Tuesday night to try it all over again 🙂
She sees herself as more important, more valuable, and more entitled than any man – in general. Put her in high heels and a mini-skirt, and everyone fawning over her and pumping her state – She becomes very full of herself. The bitch is a nothing when she can’t start her car cause she left the lights on. Lol, brilliant, Archie. Evidence of the western devaluation of masculinity. About value… You have to have more value than most men in the venue to get a girl’s attention…if a girl has self-esteem issues, she will automatically disqualify herself with respect to… Read more »
Generate value?
http://popsych.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/dennis.png
” Her attraction wasn’t about looks as men see looks. I wasn’t dressed especially well. I’m not especially good looking…kind of like Liam Neeson according to Mrs. Gamer. My head is shaved. I’m fat.
I’m not young, chiseled, handsome, with spiked hair.”
Lol. Damn asd, don’t be fat.
@Asd
well your autistic so I don’t engage you anymore on stuff like this……
but
“I was in Panera and a HB9 blonde came in. I was in good posture with a slight elevation of my nose. I barely looked at the blonde and was joking with the staff about fucking up toasting my bagel…I sensed that the blonde was watching me, but it wasn’t obvious…finally, she sneaked a quick look at me when she thought I wasn’t looking…”
No one cares
There are some misunderstandings about the Mark Manson “no girl” thing in the community. He’s absolutely right that you want your girls to be *enthusiastic* about you instead of being lukewarm to the prospect of you and going on a date with you or sleeping with you or whatever. But most guys seem to interpret that to mean “if she isn’t willing to jump on my cock as soon as I say hello, I just next the bitch and go on to the next”, which is WRONG (I mean, I don’t know if Manson meant it in that sense or… Read more »
”and of course some girls cannot be converted no matter what you do – it’s an aspirational goal”
this
@Culum – I could be wrong, but that Max vid you reference, i’m pretty sure he actually doesn’t get any of the girls who ignored him, but he gets some random girl who had seen him talking to them girls (watched that infield like 2 months ago so memory might not be perfect!)
Cousin Blax, all picky and shit about words…kind of…spergy…lol
I backslid into a bowl of ice cream, lol. I don’t look too fat and my belly shows the muscle outline thru the blubber. I did the BMI thing at the local Wally World and it says I’m fat.
…still at Wally World, I took my BP and it was 184 diastolic…probably from drinking booze the night before…time to stop spending money on booze…
Mersonia, I sincerely apologize for not putting the cookies on the lower shelf.
But the game has never been able to deliver on the “any girl, any time.” promise.
promises, promises…(just to be clear, I don’t think that Mystery promised “any girl, any time.”)
Phil, I haven’t read any PUA books or taken any seminars…nor do I play a PUA on TV.
Well, I’m thinking about a nice brisket myself.
Idk, you can get a new tasty QuarterPounderWithCheese every weekend at Mac’s Lounge if you tire of home cooking.
” I took my BP and it was 184 diastolic…”
asd, do better man. Take your health more seriously.
Couple of days ago my bp was 121/81. 184 diastolic is getting into heart attack/stroke territory.
Do what you gotta do to set that shit right.
@scars – we may be thinking of different clips. The one I’m thinking of, it’s definitely the same girl (the girl who first cracks a smile at him and lets him into the conversation). If I recall correctly, they are in a bar somewhere in Europe and the girls are sitting right by the bar and he goes up and opens them and they give him nothing – not even monosyllabic answers – just *look* at him and he rambles on in free-association talking about random crap for about 2 minutes (it’s longer than it sounds when someone isn’t even… Read more »
“i’m pretty sure he actually doesn’t get any of the girls who ignored him” ya the full infield is in the Natural. Basically one of his students had previously talked to the girl Max was after. The student makes a direct beeline to the girl, puts his arm around her, without even noticing Max talking to her. When he does notice Max, he apologizes and asks Max’s permission to game her. Max not wanting to amog one of his students lets him have her and then turns around and opens a girl that was standing there watching the whole thing… Read more »
Scars
“She wasn’t into me and that’s that.”
Well she went from ignoring you completely to engaging her friend about you. In two minutes.
What do tou think 3 minutes would have looked like? Or 5?
Is it the mark now that unless she she shows direct interest within 2 minutes – eject?
The way to make progress is to push every set to either the girl physically removing herself or SNL. Stick in to see how far you can get.
” Idk, you can get a new tasty QuarterPounderWithCheese every weekend at Mac’s Lounge if you tire of home cooking ”
Lol, I haven’t gone near a McDonalds in about 5-6 years. I like Whoppers, but I take ’em out of the bun most times.
I spent quite a bit of money on kitchen appliances, especially the 6 burner stove and convection oven. I plan on using them profusely, and wearing them completely out. Last year I got a propane fired Wok, so soon the Chinese restaurants can kiss my ass too.
@culum, that sound like the same clip. I have ‘the natural’ so will check, but i’m almost certain that some random girl he bumped into after the girls who had ignored him moved on, is the one he pulled.
I’ve never seen someone pull a ‘no girl’ in fact. Closest RSD have shown is that Julien clip I mentioned. He gets her to smile, but that’s about it lol.
@Culum
no it’s the same clip. it’s the 3rd infield in the Natural titled, “Girls Ignoring + Million Dollar Mouth Piece.”
“The way to make progress is to push every set to either the girl physically removing herself or SNL. Stick in to see how far you can get.”
+1
Strange. I could have sworn it was the same girl but my memory is clearly playing tricks on me although I only saw it on Youtube and never saw the full clip (Max is clearly very good but I never resonated with his style and haven’t followed him much).
My broader point is still valid though – he got through to that girl after two minutes of getting nothing from her, and he may well have taken her home if he hadn’t let his student take a crack at her.
interaction with the girl at 3.30 lol
@Sentient/j – what about girls who explicitly tell you to leave (and not in a jokey way – it’s a judgment call)? I would put that in the same category as the girls leaving themselves..
@Culum if she tells you to leave “not in a jokey way” – then get the fuck out and approach another set. you don’t want negative social proof man. If they leave cool. let them leave. You can always re-approach. to be honest, I don’t think I’ve ever laid a girl that was like “NO” off the open. only girls that I’ve laid were either instantly receptive or kind of neutral. BUT (and I’ll never know for sure) those same girls might have been instant NO girls, had i approached them directly. instead of running short set method first on… Read more »
”to be honest, I don’t think I’ve ever laid a girl that was like “NO” off the open. only girls that I’ve laid were either instantly receptive or kind of neutral”
Yep. Mark Manson agrees
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/10/10/a-test-of-your-game-judging-your-responses-to-no-girl/
@Blax
asd, do better man. Take your health more seriously.
Of course I did. It was a wakeup call. A couple of hours later the systole was around 150 (I think I said diastole for the 184, but it was the systole). I’m totally cutting out the booze…lol, even though I drink moderately…three drinks last Fri. night…I don’t think that I even finished the last one. Old age…can’t even drink moderately.
Sounds like you are getting ready for a threesome between you, the burners, and the wok.
Not exactly though. Manson’s definition is that any girl who isn’t immediately enthusiastic about you (a “yes girl”) should be considered a “no girl” and abandoned. That is the point I was addressing in my previous post.
By that standard, a number of @j’s lays – the ones he calls “neutral” upon opening – would be “no girls” according to Manson, and j has clearly laid them. What @j means by “no girls” is girls who were actively negative (not neutral) from the start – which is quite different from the Manson definition.
Culum
“@Sentient/j – what about girls who explicitly tell you to leave (and not in a jokey way – it’s a judgment call)? I would put that in the same category as the girls leaving themselves..”
You can still work with this… Typical example a two set, you approach and one of the girls is bitchy ” we’re having a conversation” etc. Try turning that around. Now sadly this site is full of autists so this will get all out of context… it’s doable. Thing is if you don’t try you wont develop the skill.
“Typical example a two set, you approach and one of the girls is bitchy ” we’re having a conversation” etc. Try turning that around.” that’s a shit test. of course you can turn that around lol. I’m talking about “CAN YOU LIKE FUCK THE FUCK OFF” type of reaction. Like YaReally’s closed pizza place analogy in the CH above: “You’re basically trying to call the pizza place to put in an order after the place has closed for the night. Even if you have a really convincing reason why you should be delivered a pizza, there’s no one there to… Read more »
J
Oh this ” I’m talking about “CAN YOU LIKE FUCK THE FUCK OFF” type of reaction”
Isn’t a shit test…
Where is HABD? The board needs you HABD!
@Sentient
do you have reference experience of getting that type of reaction off the open, turning that set around, and then leading it to sex? No hypothetical shit. if not then please don’t KJ
Mrs. Gamer was a no girl when I first approached her…very cold and backturned without saying a word. It turned around because I got invited to her friends’ parties where we chatted and one of her friends was very keen on me…the friend got Mrs. Gamer to ask me out on a double date with Mrs. Gamer and the friend and some guy I would have to produce. Those things can be turned around with enough social proof and preselection. But value doesn’t matter, lol. But don’t listen to me, I’m autistic and I’m just kj’ing and have no reference… Read more »
@theasdgamer
Cool story bro but that shit is irrelevant. We’re talking about cold approach SNL pickup here.
“Those things can be turned around with enough social proof and preselection.”
No shit. see comment at April 22, 2018 at 2:30 pm
J Let’s be clear what we are talking about … My point was to stay in the set, and try and turn around difficult sets and yes I do have that experience, and yes a few have led to sex. Not every set will turn around, not all turned sets will lead to sex, you can lose a variety of ways. Now if you are going to say it had to be with that exact sentence you proscribe, well… I did have an autism disclaimer for a reason. Typically the “supra shit tester” is a 5 cockblocking and not the… Read more »
Also the CH post was responses to my No girl question
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/a-test-of-your-game-the-no-girl/
A No girl who doesn’t engage at all and leaves…
@Sentient “Now if you are going to say it had to be with that exact sentence you proscribe, well… I did have an autism disclaimer for a reason.” Not that exact sentence. The reaction. Try to visualize a girl giving you that reaction to you while you “try to persist” (you’ll have to deal with her friends/bar staff trying to make you leave that girl alone as well). Have you ever turned that set around? To me THAT is a NO girl. A girl shit testing me off the open is not a NO girl. She is saying, “are you… Read more »
@j yeah, you’re right, not the same situation…big diff in time factor and context…still, my situ is worth analyzing… Context from my cold approach to Mrs. Gamer…just providing data for analysis… I approached Mrs. Gamer at work, in the hospital…several other young nurses were flirting with me in the unit…tagging me on the shoulder, then running away, lots of giggling…I had lots of social proof and preselection, but Mrs. Gamer thought that we were being unprofessional, which we were…Mrs. Gamer needed to see me in a different light…I needed to generate, er, demonstrate more value…show maturity…show some conversational ability…I was… Read more »
No turning that around.
same night, maybe not, but I know that given time you can get a girl to re-calibrate your value
…I was depressed for five years and Mrs. Gamer saw me as beta and cut off sex…I got DPA and went out and shit turned around…Mrs. Gamer re-calibrated my value after I said that I wanted a divorce…back to desire sex…
…so the trick is to somehow get the “no” girl to re-calibrate…I think that that requires a massive DHV…of course, have never turned a “no” girl around SNL, but it seems reasonable…
Imo, for what it’s worth, sometimes a chick is just not worth trying to ” turn around ” if she is definitely being cunty. Even ” can you like fuck the fuck off!!??!!”, is dependent on the way she says it – context/content. But there’s a vibe that once you get it, cut your loses and don’t waste your time. Seems like it’d be a real time sink. I’ve had chicks say some very colorful shit to dissuade me from even talking to them, but any combination of ” You -Fuck-Off ” , I’m out unless I feel like playing… Read more »
asd
I don’t think most ” no ” girls are actually ” no ” girls for reelz. Maybe we should call them the ” Get The Fuck Out Of My Face ” girls?
In my general experience the “no girl” or GTFOOMF girl have all been the same as Blax’s pharmatech girl. She has been gamed or deeply converted by some guy she is sweet on and sees any male attention as a threat in some way. The pharma chick for instance her fiancee has gamed her to believe that any other male attention besides his is assault, as this feeds into her own self aprisal and previous experience she is buying into his game and amusing herself with it. It takes all kinds,the last time I got the cold shoulder was from… Read more »
Okay, let me dismount my keyboard. I had you 2nd in the trifecta in the 3rd race. Maybe we should call them the ” Get The Fuck Out Of My Face ” girls? GTFO girls. I like it. Btw, the girl who kicked of the flirting had a bf, to whom she was loyal…married him eventually. Flirted with me frequently but wouldn’t go out with me. Of course, I lost interest pretty quickly. But she still has had a thing for me all these years. I totally lost interest in Mrs. Gamer until she asked me out for her friend.… Read more »
“Imo, for what it’s worth, sometimes a chick is just not worth trying to ” turn around ” if she is definitely being cunty. Even ” can you like fuck the fuck off!!??!!”, is dependent on the way she says it – context/content. But there’s a vibe that once you get it, ”
I like these girls the most….and they really love guys who can get past this shit….because weak dudes give up asap
Not sure if this link worked, but the girl at 3.30. Neutral or No girl?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzUa2cB61hU&index=8&list=LLKMgbcu5bCspbXERXhCdeYQ&t=268s
If link doesn’t work, search youtube ”How to Take Home a Latina MILF (+Daygame Infield)”
@scars
Girl in video: She’d be a ‘no girl’. Even though she’s not outright saying ”Please leave me alone!” she’s not engaging at all with the pickup coach.
As was said, Julien made a no girl smile but couldn’t get further than that.
Same with Max
Don’t believe guys on the internet who tell you they can turn these girls lol.
The girl in the video was curious about the guy at first…legs crossed is an IOI…not leaving is an IOI…not turning away…maybe distracted…maybe shit testing the guy…may be waiting for a taxi/bus/ride…she’s standing near the street and might be Uber-izing on her cell…can’t see her face to check for facial nonverbal clues, but her body language seen from behind shows some interest verbal engagement isn’t necessary…silence can be a shit test…”what will he do if I say nothing?”…definitely no flame…more like a miniscule ember that can be fanned by showing more value…e.g., by rolling off/teasing/saying a double entendre…she acts like… Read more »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5vDHF1mQizA
Here. Cajun at 6:00
Approaches… Girl is cursing with her friends. He opens with a neg. She gets in his face “that’s not very nice. You should leave now!” with hand gestures…
Are the semantics here so different? If she said “fuck off you should leave now” or “fuck you that was rude, get lost” that it would change HIS reaction?
How many would leave? How many would recalibrate?
Re: blax’s fr Not convinced she was deeply converted. Her immediate response was clear: Acting indignant to create a scene all about her then prompting her bf to play “you two fight over me”. I assume Blax didn’t open with “nice tits, bitch”. Therefore it wasn’t an overreaction but expert female manipulation and was crafted to make her man, all the men in her immediate circle at work to protect her, chase her, work for her. Any dude reacting such hasn’t deep converted her. Deep conversion is freedom from mate guarding, IMO. She’s well practiced at toying with BP meatheads.… Read more »
The video @ 6:00
Maybe I define a ” no , ” girl differently, but imo, those chicks/that girl wasn’t a gtfomf girl. In that example, any man with game should be able to disarm that kind of mild take resistance.
…. Mild fake resistance.
“Mild fake resistance”
yup
Blax’s autocorrect strikes again I looked at scar’s vid some more… The guy qualifies the girl with “Do you speak English?” This was also a compliance test…”Will you even talk to me?”…asking for more investment…I was surprised at how rapid her response was and how friendly the tone was…a major IOI…then she complied with his handshake request and request for her name…she passed three compliance tests…three IOIs…he could have teased her with a kiss fake at that point if he had a tease to go along with it…”OMG the dam has burst!” What was the girl’s level of investment? Let’s… Read more »
That Cajun vid seems different to what @scars described or that Austen/HonestSignals vid that was linked where the girl is just super ‘off’ and not wanting to talk. The cajun vid; Her reaction seems like mock offended, not to mention that considering his open, that kind of reaction isn’t that unexpected I think it’s when you open and smile and say ‘hi’ and ask how their night is going or whatever and then they barely engage or ignore you and open and attempts to get a conversation going / backturn you etc is when it’s a ‘no girl’ @scars –… Read more »
@j If I do anything to disprove her belief that I’m alpha, then she’ll quickly turn into a NO girl (or neutral and shit test me again – and if I fail again then -> NO girl) because she’s concluded I’m beta. This. And speaking of cunty girls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdGkikdD_ZA Ignore Franks’ babbling to the camera and his autistic analysis, just watch the infield and how he acts (not how he labels it). He’s uncalibrated (rewarding bad behavior?) and it escalates quickly. A girl runs a quick scan of subcomms and boom… she knows… relevant hindbrain algorithm executed. Was she having… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzcjL-uLpwY
No girl?
[Note – Chris is not calibrating on purpose and spinning her up…]
IRL
A girl runs a quick scan of subcomms and boom… she knows… relevant hindbrain algorithm executed.
Exactly… If Cajun slunk off… no cookie.. But he didn’t. If you slink off right away – no matter what she says – you won’t ever know…
Player douchebag.😂
Your mom’s a douchebag…
Frank, lol. What can we learn here? Frank was legit scared… she smelled it… he tried to appease, tried to negotiate… Culum’s bathroom shakedown version 2.0.
Sorry Sentient I’m not interested in turning HB5s around. I don’t give a shit how they respond. and no. Chris isn’t “not calibrating on purpose” he legitimately thinks behaving like an unapologetic player (cause thats what alphas do, yo!) will turn this HB5 feminist around – (“haha guys I was just fucking around i didn’t really care. seriously haha”)
Game is psychological dominance J. Always things to learn.
”@scars – were they ever properly engaged? Ask you anything back? etc” Nah It was weird because we were kind of on the dancefloor so it was fairly loud. Not so loud that she couldn’t hear me because it was a bar rather than a ‘club’, but still felt like I needed to keep my sentences short and sharp? And we were all kind of on the outskirts when people sometimes talk and bob to the music it was something along the lines of Opened and made a comment about her dancing or something She just looked at me and… Read more »
@IRL Ignore the girl, focus on the guy (in the Key to VIP and Pickup Decoded clips too). What does she see? Does he pique her interest? Is he engaging? Does he react to her more than she reacts to him? At first the guy has to demonstrate value, so you expect him to talk more. Austen isn’t very smooth and seems insecure…he’s talking his calibration out loud to the girl and she does take a step back from him (IOD), although she giggles later, which is an IOI…she also plays with her hair, which is an IOI…Austen seems needy,… Read more »
Scars –
I couldn’t think of any more statements or questions at that point.
This has nothing to do with the girl.
Me: hey, how you doing today? Her: fine. Me: pull up chair and take a seat. ” good, great to hear… ” Her: Uhhhh, I didn’t invite you to sit here. Me: you didn’t? Really? Her: no, I did not. Me: well, would it be awful if I say and talked to you? Her: maybe it would be nice if you asked first. Me: hmmmmm. What is your position on ‘ permission ‘ and ‘ authority ‘ ? Do you always ask permission of others whenever you do anything, or can you just be spontaneous? Her: depends. Me: depends. That’s… Read more »
I’m not gonna learn anything from gaming girls below 7. Young Blaze via NextASF: “While we know the framework is the same for any girl, the devil is in the details in this matter. To calibrate your game to a true advanced level, the sets need to be hard. Anything above an 8 is usually very unforgiving of any mistake and you will be destroyed if you dont adapt quickly. This necessity for high calibration just generally doesnt exist with 7s and below. Its like training wheels vs a *motorcycle*. No amount of practice on a training wheels will prepare… Read more »
But why not develop the ability to ” overwhelm ” all women, including ” 8-10’s”? I think guys getting started, like scars, need to practice talking to chicks until they are comfortable and they learn how to express their personality ( or ‘ a ‘ personality). Walk before you run.a.marathon. It’s detrimental to dudes starting out, imo, to think that they need to learn to speak ” hb9 ” specifically. They need to learn to have a measure of confident domination over everybody in a.sense. 8, 9, 10…. Same firmware at the core. Lame guys can have lots of success… Read more »
notice the pattern here tho: Theasdgamer (first time he met his wife), Max, Julien, Austen, Scars, Blax (pharmacy girl and the one above (good set but didn’t close*), me, Cajun (good set but didn’t close), Chris, Frank (Lmao)….nobody closed that instant “NO” girl.
Close – P in V the same day/night they met.
…. I totally could’ve banged her….😁
@ j
Point taken.
I’d wagerr that 60% , maybe more, of the girls I’ve banged weren’t snl’s, so we’re talking different possible strategies.
J (ee) – “Cajun’s girl wasn’t a NO girl. That was fake mild resistance ” It’s almost as if there was some sort of sliding scale, based on differing experiences? Surely Scars would bail at Cajun’s girl… If your position is going to be it’s impossible to turn around your perception of a NO girl, then it will be true. I’m not gonna learn anything from gaming girls below 7. Lessons are everywhere… if you look for them. Anything above an 8 is usually very unforgiving of any mistake and you will be destroyed if you dont adapt quickly. Yet…… Read more »
“then the guy comes up and interrupts her…a DHV” I’ve been here and question at what specific point does my opening set become too much value and then DHV turns south and fast. I’m not surprised how little it takes to open but if she’s waits for me to entertain or show DHV….her hindbrain starts wanting me to qualify. My wife’s the same but I’m at a much higher burden there as she knows all my moves and openings. THOT I can open with whatever and when they’re resistant….I’m not sure why…I start negging personal until they STFU. I don’t… Read more »
The pudgy coffee-store, ciggy-smoking 5 in the video uses a word…who in the modern world has even seen a literal douchebag? Or know what it is for? Do they even get manufactured anymore? Outside of some funky museum where would anyone even find one? The douchebag is obsolete, has been for years, yet that word…that word….it just keeps on rolling. I think people like the word because it feels naughty in the mouth as they say it. “Douchnozzle” would work better in term of “actual function”, but not that much better. Somewhere a feminist probably has already written a thesis… Read more »
@sentient ”This has nothing to do with the girl” – I know mate. Like, i’m always honest with myself. It was my fault that it ended where it did. Even though (from my own experiences, infields i’ve seen, and the confessions regarding ‘no girls’ here by blax/J etc) I know I couldn’t have got her no matter what I said, although I admit one could have at least made the interaction last longer. But in the moment, I did my best in terms of thinking of things to say, making statements, asking questions etc (my mate bailed on his one… Read more »
“notice the pattern here tho: .nobody closed that instant “NO” girl.”
As I said yesterday. Hence why you don’t waste time on ‘no girls’
You get a feel for a ‘no girl’ after a while, adn evene though I wasn’t there, scars girl
sounds a lot like one. Sounds like she was simply too polite to outright say ‘Fuck off!!!”
and nothing he would have said(game) would have ended up with a lay.
She might simply be into tall black guys, and scars might be a little white dude
Lol. Define ” tall “.😅
Looks matter, height matters, dress matters, voice matters.
Game: the great equalizer. Her brain doesn’t have sufficient defenses.
@Eh ASD: “then the guy comes up and interrupts her…a DHV” I’ve been here and question at what specific point does my opening set become too much value and then DHV turns south and fast. When do you stop demonstrating value? After the hook is set. Until the hook is set, you need to do a variety of things including demonstrating value (including sexualizing and spiking the girl’s emotions when needed) and providing comfort. If you continue to DHV after the hook is set, that is overgaming and the girl will wonder why you are doing that and your value… Read more »
providing comfort…
Does not compute….lol.
Approach another set:
https://twitter.com/ConquerorVlad/status/988146575930281984
approach another set = get more preselection
I agree with enforcing your boundaries, but it adds value to you if you can do it while amusing yourself. No need to get angry or spiteful. That’s boyish behavior.
“we could do a 3-some I guess…”
Scars
better ‘material/things to say in them conversations in order to ‘engage’ her would have likely helped make it last 5 mins instead of 2.
Open to suggestions about what sort of things I should have said though.
And this is how Routine Stacks got going…
“approach another set = get more preselection”
yup
”in order to ‘engage’ her would have likely helped make it last 5 mins instead of 2.
Open to suggestions about what sort of things I should have said though. (be it canned cold reads or Field tested statements or whatever)”
I don’t think game is about that sort of stuff anymore? Trying to memorise a script or forcing the use of cold reads and negs etc
Watch some RSD or modern PUA stuff.
It’s just normal conversation in most infields.
“why couldn’t she come up with something else”
She can’t, at least on her own, as she hasn’t emotionally evolved past high school thus she stuck at that reference point.
She has a pussy and all her power is there, she subconsciously knows it and doesn’t feel a need to be better emotionally, psychicly. She might know more processes to benefit her autoprovisioning but where it counts she’s just a kid. Hence game is gold.
@jejckel
lol
https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/311593-intro-to-verbal-game
jejckel
It’s just normal conversation in most infields.
Which he ran out of.
https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/320244-best-way-to-actionize-a-verbal-stack-for-field-usage
https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/321180-my-dream-verbal-stack
“It’s just normal conversation in most infields.”
LOL! These guys are modern day PT Barnum. Selling normal conversations as recondite skill.
They’ve reached the point of limiting returns on algorithms (with limited customer success) now product sift to normal conversations. I swear these RSD type guys are rooting for the FI fueled society to keep their customers gullible and broke.
”Which he ran out of”
Because she wasn’t into him.
If she was into him, she’d have been talking back and contributing making it hard to run out of things to say since she’s giving you constant ‘hooks’
The stack is like training wheels until you get enough convo skill to ad lib.
jejckel
If she was into him, she’d have been talking back and contributing making it hard to run out of things to say since she’s giving you constant ‘hooks’
Well, you know if you gave her more conversation she has more opportunity to “hook”…
“so check this out…” and you are off…
Please don’t be a retard.
jejckel
Some girls have less convo skills than normal or are shy or are reserved, so they won’t necessarily be talkative.
@jejckel lol ignore Sentient. He has no reference experience of banging a ‘NO’ girl (once again a girl throwing me a verbal shit test is a neutral girl and can therefore be turned around. shit like: “why are you talking to us?” “we’re lesbians” “umm we’re having a conversation” just spike her emotions. assume attraction and start talking. you’re vibe is “haha it’s ok guys I’m actually alpha don’t worry. I’m going to make your night better. and if you play your cards right I’ll give you what you went through all that effort for (showering up, pre-gaming, putting on… Read more »
”“so check this out…” and you are off…
”
lol – That particular girl didn’t wanna hear it.
He’d have been talking to thin air after about 20 seconds of his DHV story lol
That’s really old school game style
How old are you guys out of interest?
J – keep up with the thread… this is about routine stacks… And Scars girl did not tell him to “fuck off”… he just left… Jejjeckl The Nice Guy Many men understand and appreciate that seduction first makes women feel uncomfortable. What these men do instead is focus on comfort first. What these men don’t realize is that women of beauty get bombarded by these nice guys every day and it can grow quite tiresome. While not as offensive as the seducer, the nice guy is no less a bother. There are simply too many nice guys approaching them in… Read more »
“How old are you guys out of interest?”
Theasdgamer and Sentient are in their 50s-60s. Old school guys
me, Bacchus and Teevester (from the NextASF links I just shared) are in our early 20s
@Sentient Where is HABD? The board needs you HABD! lol… been busy… buuut, just skimming it seems like i should weigh in on the ‘no girl’ situ…lol i already did the analysis on that link to CH that j put up… https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/10/10/a-test-of-your-game-judging-your-responses-to-no-girl/#comment-622716 buut… just to generalize the concept.. (and do see YaReally’s analysis on both those threads at CH… which is spot on…) @mersonia I like these girls the most….and they really love guys who can get past this shit….because weak dudes give up asap +1… bigger shit tests mean greater rewards at the end of the interaction… either by… Read more »