For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
IAS There is no such thing as ” genetic legacy “. That’s boiling life down to a scientific bottom line, and that shit’s better left to scientists. Later generations will determine what your ” legacy ” is, and most likely you’ll be worn food long before that happens. All men aren’t ghengis khan, no matter how much they’d like to think of themselves as spreading their seed and leaving a piece of themselves around in the future. When you die, your pieces go with you for the most part. Unless you can figure out how to clone yourself, your ”… Read more »
@HABD Insightful as always.
Legacy = Spirit
How likely are people to remember you after death and for how long and why and what will they say about you? That is your legacy.
Your legacy is what you choose it to be.
Youngshagger “do any of you guys have any approach advice/advice on what to expect trying to spin plates with 17-18 yr old girls” Drama. Lots of drama. Part of the territory. There is a reason “acting like a teenage girl” is a saying, I.e. “Look ADJ’s twitter meltdown, he’s acting like a teenage girl”. So he prepared to NOT get caught up in it. “how physical should I expect them to get (hopefully very if I can display I am an alpha).” Well if you can get them isolated expect most of them to get real wild real fast. Real… Read more »
Palma
“PS It’s easy to tell if a woman likes you
Same Girl How?!
PS It’s what she does with her ankles, you just got to look at that.
Same Girl ugh??
Ps well if she puts them behind her ears she likes you.”
Lolz. Stolen.
@Palmasailor @HABD I’m trying to understand the interaction here. This is an infield on the Doctor of Orgasmology from this morning. I’ve know this woman vaguely and I can light her up like a Xmas tree at the flick if a switch so it was just testing and not really game. https://drive.google.com/file/d/119Gx8dWfGjGaBtoWM8BpUqQFFBksE911/view Because I’m an idiot I’ve deleted the second half of the audio but it was a different script.. It was the : PS It’s easy to tell if a woman likes you Same Girl How?! PS It’s what she does with her ankles, you just got to look… Read more »
@Palmasailor
What I need to do is do it again where the second script has a lower innuendo than the first and see how that works.
yes, you should try it and see… but this should probably not work better bc you are not escalating… at least on the innuendo…
good luck!
@Palma No matter how technical and tactical and scientific it can get, ULTIMATELY “game” is about forming a UNIQUE connection between the TWO of you. It’s not just about YOUR value, how cool YOU are, but ALSO about what kinda person she is, what she’s thinking, what she’s feeling. You MUST take these things into account, or else even the coolest DHV routine will fall FLAT. This is what the PUAs called “calibration.” More here: http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/In_the_Middle/DV/281.html From the same link: The MOST IMPORTANT aspect of the above two interactions is NOT the cocky/funny itself. It’s how I’m SUCKING HER INTO… Read more »
@Youngshagger “do any of you guys have any approach advice/advice on what to expect trying to spin plates with 17-18 yr old girls” To add to what Sentient says, I’m 50’s and only meet and bang girls in their 20’s. The oldest is 30. But I would disagree with Sentient in that you get “drama”. No. I get constant drama with any girl OVER 30. With younger girls you get constant shit-testing. It’s like they all have ADD and you have to keep cool and truly be the MAN because there are no “MEN” their age. Of course not ALL… Read more »
@YoungShagger
IRL so essentially I never say the word date, and I just tell them I was doing something (even if it is by myself) and ask them to join to help keep frame?
What Sentient said.
Just don’t get into a trap of constantly thinking about losing/keeping frame.
This specific aspect (talking about dating) had more to do with communicating in Cat-o-nese, girls language (not overt).
Wala
You know Youngshagger is 17 and in high school right?
HS is social circle game on steroids…
If he is going to “spin” plates there is going to be drama for sure. It’s baked in and frosted with estrogen.
All stuff that can be worked through but better to understand it up front.
IRL
Ah school… The ultimate plausibly deniable isolation arena… “Studying”.
Got get those grades up!
[Missed many many lays by actually studying… 😣]
@Sentient
Ah school… The ultimate plausibly deniable isolation arena… “Studying”.
Haha so true.
Dog logic: I said “to study” so now have to study… or “she only meant studying”… lol
Cat-o-nese 101 should be a required subject.
I told @Palma he could produce cool routines/games/challenges for fathers with sons. To make fun of girls together and understand the language of seduction early on.
SJF that model really helps. I was all confused on courtship
You know Youngshagger is 17 and in high school right? HS is social circle game on steroids… If he is going to “spin” plates there is going to be drama for sure. It’s baked in and frosted with estrogen. All stuff that can be worked through but better to understand it up front. @YoungShagger Keep in mind to pace yourself in chasing girls. Getting back to senior year of high school puts a lot on your plate. Do you have a college scholarship in hand for wrestling? Are you all set with that? Does it matter how you perform this… Read more »
I have a couple other questions. Obviously I build attraction first that helps (now I won’t shoot myself anymore or come off as needy). For my specific access to women 17+ my main source of potential would be my school correct? However, the thing about school is that I am always focused on studying and classes (as I am ranked 2 in my class of over 700 and am neck and neck vying for valedictorian) so my actual time to do approaches is really small while at school (however school is my biggest source of new chicks) That being said,… Read more »
SJF You are honestly right. Now that I am newly single I find myself way too horny and wanting to hit up too many girls, most of which I have been off putting by coming on too strong. This year is a big year for me to win my 2nd state title (I already have my scholarship and school chosen) and to become valedictorian ( I am a very close second) . I just realize now that my game is pretty atrocious objectively (I have the right mindset, but in practice it needs a lot of work. Plus I have… Read more »
However, the thing about school is that I am always focused on studying and classes (as I am ranked 2 in my class of over 700 and am neck and neck vying for valedictorian) so my actual time to do approaches is really small while at school (however school is my biggest source of new chicks) That being said, I wanted to do this plate spinning and game with minimal social media hit ups and instant messaging ie keep it mainly in person, but what I am finding is I don’t have the time to see these chicks often in… Read more »
SJF
Yes, I need to slow it down a lot. My training schedule is not too busy yet because I am healing an injury with pt and working upper body, but that is still 6 days a week. School is just a bear with 5 college classes and 1 hs honors class. Honestly I think I should just study this stuff a little when I have time, but not even focus on girls for a bit.
“You know Youngshagger is 17 and in high school right?”
But I’m already getting the feeling that this one is going to make it.
“Plus I have never known young adult single life.” Which gave you focus. “Honestly I think I should just cool off on going out of my way to talk to any girl in my time outside of school for now. And it is weird honestly I have been no fap for maybe two weeks now and I find my urges way too strong for courtship.” You don’t have to be afraid of your super powers. Be discreet. Fuck a girl on the side. You are beholden to social circles. To gossip. To things that can tip the balance in the… Read more »
kfg
Well he’s already up $500… 😆
Though this talk of “courtship” is a yellow flag.
SJF
I more mean I should not be seeking the pussy
Sentient
Courtship was in reference to that seduction stages someone linked. And the reason I was more speculative about my instincts in game compared to wrestling is because my”instincts” never got me anywhere but a subpar, unsatisfactory white knight with benefits relationship essentially lmao
Think the best advice, is for @YoungShagger to go on a date with that HB7 who he already has good chemistry with. And make her his girlfriend. That way, he’ll have access to regular sex. And will somewhat reduce that ‘need’ to want to fuck everything in site from being single. Shagger, also has self proclaimed “atrocious” game. So I don’t recommend going out of his way to practice spitting game at the chicks at his school (especially when one uncalibrated mistake on the wrong girl can get you kicked out of campus/lose your scholarship). That’s what bars/clubs are for… Read more »
@j
Thanks for your the link to Secret Society in your reply to @YoungShagger.
This is an intriguing eye-opener for me and gives me some perspective on my past dealings with women and their conduct. 😊
It took a bit of searching, but I just wanted to check back that this link to Tyler Durden’s analysis of SS is correct:
https://bristollair.com/secret-society/
TantumErgo
j
Unfortunately that HB 7 who I thought I had good chemistry with I was to overt about my intentions and she sensed it and tweaked to my other friend to try to keep me in the friend zone because she is not attracted to me like that ig? And I am probably being too critical of my own game just bottom line it is a work in progress.
Bottom line is, I got to adjust to being single, not seek out girls, and establish myself as an attractive fun guy at my school then girls will come. Bottom line is, there will never be a shortage of girls.
YoungShagger
Relax.
Get through your compulsories (academics and the wrestling season).
The pussy will come seeking you.
Don’t let the seeking throw you off your course, your purpose and mission. But don’t deny it when it swerves into your lane. You got plenty of time to figure logistics out.
Well begun is half done
Much depends on the beginning of an endeavor. Then follow through.
Don’t listen to J. YoungShagger.
His plan is clinically retarded for you. Clubs? @17? WTF? He’s domain dependent.
Make her a girlfriend? Why not just buy a sink and tie it around your neck like a millstone. Gtfoh.
Catch as catch can.
(noun 1. wrestling in which all holds are permitted.
adjective 1. using whatever methods or materials are available.)
“Clubs? @17? WTF?”
YoungShagger: “I am going out tonight with my RP friend who is also 17 to a 17+ club. Any tips for the club game?”
“Why not just buy a sink and tie it around your neck like a millstone.”
the fuck are you talking about…
anyway, y’all can continue feeding him beta provider advice (not that there’s anything wrong with that), I’ll stick to the alpha fucks part.
“plus we only just sacked the last one!”
Ah you mean the one he was with before reading TheRationalMale i.e. BluePilled?
That one failed, so he mustn’t try to have another go at it. Spin plates, shagger!
“the fuck are you talking about…” You and your retarded advice. You have no reference experience in where Y.S. is poised on a launching pad for the rest of his life. He’s got potential. Where are you going with your life J. N=200?, and beyond? Then what? What is your profession J.? This guy is 17, vying for Valedictorian, and has a scholarship to college. You can Blue Pill shame all you want. Y.S just dumped his girlfriend. He’s not going to Blue Pill any time soon. And he’s getting understanding of where to go. And where he is going… Read more »
“That wouldn’t be you getting pissed that he’s got a fucking good commercial future he’s working towards and you haven’t because you’re focusing too much in banging women would it?” lol no. I was heading toward that path @17 as a freshman at university with a track scholarship. But that was for my parents. Not me. I’m figuring it out as I go along. But kids and being married, and living on a farm with an old lady are not part of the plan. “Y.S just dumped his girlfriend.” because you told him to. He’s also changed his handle, and… Read more »
….. It’s always amazing to me when a guy is a virgin until his 20’s and suddenly ” pussy ” in his mind makes him ” alpha fucks “😂
You can’t make this shit up.
Mostly.
“A phrase to describe a woman’s mating behavior where she freely engages in sexual activities with the physically attractive, charismatic, charming, suave and confident males – in other words, the Alpha males – with no strings attached, shit-tests, favors, catches and any rules, hence Alpha Fucks. At the same time the woman denies sex to the physically unattractive and undesirable men – in other words, the Beta males – instead giving ambiguous promises that sex will be offered in return if the males treat her well, take her out to dates, buy her dinner, bring her gifts, etc, hence Beta… Read more »
“I was heading toward that path @17 as a freshman at university with a track scholarship. But that was for my parents. Not me. I’m figuring it out as I go along.” So what you are saying is that you washed out? Because your parents failed you. Parenting is purposely obsolescent, when done right. And the child turns out right, healthy and proper. “But kids and being married, and living on a farm with an old lady are not part of the plan.” So what is your plan? At least Y.S. has a springboard to a great plan, to be… Read more »
https://www.rianstone.com/blog/menarenthappy ….And what these men do seems so simple. Work out, focus on your career, practice your social skills and get confident, develop useful skills and interesting hobbies – essentially, quit wasting time. Read non-fiction instead of fiction, watch less TV, play less video games, quit jerking off to porn, spend that time doing something that makes you physically, mentally, or socially better. The Red Pill tells men that their time is valuable, and to use it well. Hand in hand with that, The Red Pill tells men that since their time is their most valuable resource, quit wasting it… Read more »
“Because your parents failed you.” True. but gotta keep it moving. “So what is your plan?” Continue to lie, cheat and steal. And I do NOT recommend my plan to anybody here. but that’s not what I’m here for. I’m here for game discussions (and occasional trolling). “At least Y.S. has a springboard to a great plan, to be determined. He’s a genius for getting a college scholarship. Which is a ticket to ride.” good for him. That’s why I said I’ll let you, providers, give him advice in that regard. Any comments wrt girls, I’ll step in if, and… Read more »
An ode to J.: https://youtu.be/AtzIWPeun7c Yep. Angry Young Man. Styx: You see the world through your cynical eyes You’re a troubled young man I can tell You’ve got it all in the palm of your hand But your hand’s wet with sweat and your head needs a rest And you’re fooling yourself if you don’t believe it You’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe it Why must you be such an angry young man When your future looks quite bright to me How can there be such a sinister plan That could hide such a lamb, such a caring young… Read more »
“That’s why I said I’ll let you, providers, give him advice in that regard. Any comments wrt girls, I’ll step in if, and only IF, he asks. Because I can offer more than Angels in the Outfield’s “If you build it they will come” ™ generic advice.” Fuck you. Life is Beautiful. And it not Blue Pill Provider Land here. You made that shit up. Plenty of Red Pill latitude in his plans. Your comments wrt to girls for Y.S. @ 17 with regard to his path are shit. And misguided. He has a good head on his shoulders. And… Read more »
“Your comments wrt to girls for Y.S. @ 17 with regard to his path are shit.” my recommendation to Y.S. was based off his present situation that he’s been so kind as to share on pages 130 and 131 summary: Planned on setting up a date with a girl he had good chemistry with. Expressed interest in having a 5+ girls on rotation. This ‘rotation’ goal of his is in direct conflict with his study habits – want to be valedictorian. Therefore doesn’t have time to go around running game on girls in school So asks about alternatives – social… Read more »
“I’ll stick to the alpha fucks part.” aka “I’ll blindly regurgitate some pick-up and TRM Rollo post and a gif and say Shit Game! and other inappplicable nonsense.” j is green with envy. he has zero original to add, only more fictions about himself. And thank him, please, for backing out. Doing nothing is the best j can do for YoungShagger. Incel and uninspired is a chosen life you gamma faggot, j. Oh and now j is a track star. Before he posted he was D-1 football scholarship…yet can’t get laid until 25. Youngshagger is the guy j wants to… Read more »
What could j say without flashy PUA verbage?
He could complain about his daddy issues and his feelings of loneliness.
He claims yeoman’s work here. He’s no more AF than he ever was.
Here is the thing. I said my game is shit provided I am going out of my way to seek girls. Like Intellect,SFJ, and PS said it is best for me to make myself the my own mental origin, and just be an attractive guy that exudes confidence and is pleasant to be around in my school, or any social scene I am in. That is where it all is on my terms and that is what I should strive for. That way girls talk and I can build my SMV in my school that way without having to seek… Read more »
@Sentient If he’s 17 and he’s asking us for advice, then he’s going to have to step it up. Where I live it’s like high school. Everyone is into everyone else’s shit.
You have to be smart and have good game and ZFG to spin plates like I’m doing at my age.
But since he’s a new and if I knew back in HS what I know now…I would have been working the pre-selection angle—something I never understood until I started exploring Game.
“Oh and now j is a track star”.
Nah. Always have been….I brought it up when blax started comparing accomplishments before 25.
Now this:
“Before he posted he was D-1 football scholarship…yet can’t get laid until 25.”
lol. Same old amog tactics.
make shit up that I never said or did or happened. Then I defend myself. Then silence. Rinse repeat.
“you gamma faggot”
…Beginning to think your gay bro.
“j suggests he finds a gf that has chemistry….wow… how novel”
Ah going with the same ole reliable amog tactic. Because once wasn’t enough apparently… lol
YoungShagger Don’t get caught up in the board battles here lol. I don’t think you will. J is trying to make up for lost time as a former incel. It’s common on game / PUA boards to run into these kinds. He’s adopted the loathsome identity of a “PUA” or “slayer”, which is not a good look. It’s certainly not an ethos. It causes you to do silly things like post pics of common 6s for validation. He also doesn’t understand how to get along in a group of guys. As the current commercial goes “he’ll figure it out”. Or… Read more »
@Sentient:
LOL at that “lost many lays to actually studying”.
A fun memory from me with a very cute girl that was in Med-school but asked to study something, and then at the end she is grabbing my hand and groping it is telling me I have “a good hand to study anatomy” (because I’m think and she can feel all the bones LOL), this just as my girlfriend (now my wife) arrives…
Wala
“Where I live it’s like high school. Everyone is into everyone else’s shit.
You have to be smart and have good game and ZFG to spin plates like I’m doing at my age.”
The difference though is your girls are spread out all over and if you blow up a haunt you can go to a new one.
He bangs two different girls in his AP Physics class after homecoming, he can’t change classes or schools… Lol.
That’s the dynamic, the forced constant interaction and all the social jostling that creates.
Palma “I’m gonna get tested hard for secret society “safety” aren’t I… That will take the form of questioning me about my girlfriend status. They’ve seen me with various women over time but I have never discussed detail..” I doubt you get tested. And not like this. They are married, they want dick not boyfriends. They’ve set the table for you because you already ping as the Alpha guy who “gets it”. Sure if they ask just say you never kiss and tell, but any test will likely be along the lines of your neediness or “not getting it” that… Read more »
Palma
Ah missed you weren’t near home.
Well fix those logistics Hoss. Hotel with a quiet discreet bar and an elevator to your room. Book after they agree.
@Sentient I’ve become much more careful about that situation as of late. But a lot of this has to do with establishing yourself as somewhat aloof and a mystery. Then you tend to attract women who are good at keeping secrets—like the one I banged and then who ran off with dude with the car—as if she’s going to blab to others about THAT! The irony is that the High School scenario NEVER ends it just morphs into a work scenario, or a special interest group scenario, or a bar scenario where you start knowing everyone who goes. I now… Read more »
“Does that plan make sense?”
Complete sense. Keep it up and I look forward to all to come.
Back in 2004, a guy named Franco wrote The Manual of Seduction. Here is and excerpt on Attraction: “Attraction You will not be able to seduce a woman unless you create attraction in her. Attraction is not a rational fact. To create attraction you just have to: Show a higher VALUE than hers. Have her emotional. Because of her strong instinct for selecting the strongest and most gifted men, a woman doesn’t feel real attraction for a man who fails to show a higher value than hers. A woman may naturally choose a man with a lower value than hers… Read more »
“Beginning to think your gay bro.”
I’ve nothing to hide. j has everything to hide. No chops.
@YoungShagger
This may come in handy too:
https://bdproducts.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/The_Unchained_Man_The_Alpha_Male_2.0.pdf
Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, and add what is specifically your own. ~Bruce Lee
@ Sentient The cities I travel are not clubbing towns. People hook up in bars and in social groups and common activities. You’re in LA. Is clubbing as popular as it has been? What changes have occurred, if any, in how dance clubs are run over the last 35-40 yrs? I ask, as clubbing…long entry ques, cover charges, dance, drinks, bass driven music, table service…seems overwrought for hook-up. The internet as a validator for women…..takes a lot of steam out that highly stylized venues, IMO. Most of the 12 or so dance clubs have closed by me. There’s one left… Read more »
Eh
I’m not in LA, but I do travel there regularly. Most of my game is in upscale lounges and hotel bars, restaurants with good bar scenes, some rooftops and the street (day and night). A few dives thrown in here and there. Not clubs like you are describing. Having put in enough time, I limit myself now to venues that I enjoy going to for the most part. LA does have a great mix of these kind of places though.
@Palmasailor @ HABD / Sentient So i went to the coffee shop again today where I road tested Doctor of Orgasmology, and followed up with ankles behind your ears line. Same Girl has been “thinking” with the other girl that works there that the three of us should go out for a few drinks “while I’m in town”. just don’t cheat them out of this opportunity for a threesome…lol… but not really kidding… when are they ever going to get a chance like this again?… Both married. So its secret society and It’s either one of them or both together… Read more »
@Palmasailor @HABD Will see them before anyway so will ping for logistics Frustrating thing – Doing a project with an old friend and crashing during the week in the guest suite on one wing of his pile but also car sitting while he’s away with GF. So have the house to myself. We’ve bought many girls back but he is very touchy about who comes back. Would be impossible to get away with it and be considered disloyal – would destroy a friendship. got it… bros before hoes… and good choice… just make the girls work it out… and if… Read more »
YoungShagger Here is the thing. I said my game is shit provided I am going out of my way to seek girls. Like Intellect,SFJ, and PS said it is best for me to make myself the my own mental origin, and just be an attractive guy that exudes confidence and is pleasant to be around in my school, or any social scene I am in. That is where it all is on my terms and that is what I should strive for. That way girls talk and I can build my SMV in my school that way without having to… Read more »
Palma What gives? / my sons voice and speed of response were not congruent with the refusal. Tree meet apple… He’s your son right? So he gives a little bit – because in his heart he does want to reconcile – then puts his back up to show strength etc. Think your offer was great, puts the ball back in his court in a non threatening way. Gives him an avenue to back down… “so the food doesn’t go to waste” or whatever. Hey if it doesn’t come off this time, stay ZFG frame and try again next time. Time… Read more »
@Palmasailor @HABD So part of this current project is the next stage in my plan. (Its all the same mate below) The last stage wiped out the bulk of my cash, but I still function just fine day to day. The structure had to change and that’s done now so I can move on with the next stage, we are more or less on track. I’m crashing at my mates pad in the week and that’s ten minutes from my son. Here’s the disconnect, after the last interaction my son told me not to contact him. I said “ok if… Read more »
@Palmasailor @HABD It didn’t actually go “bad” as such. He’d already declined the offer before we had the talk. that didn’t actually come through on your comment… I know what I’ve said about the do’s and dont’s of apologising but the thing is my gut is telling me not to. And he didn’t flare up at that, if anything the calm tone of me just saying that I’d always done what I thought was right, including fighting in court for him calmed him down. There was absolutely zero animosity, and up to now there has been a lot. that’s good…… Read more »
Sentient, SJF, and Eh That all helps a lot. Like I said, I think my best move is to study and try to implement game when I can in my free time in a way that does not interfere with my compulsory activities. But talk about total trial run playground for me this year in highschool. There are maybe 500 girls juniors and seniors that are at least 17, but the college I am going to has 7000 undergraduate students and it is a couple miles away from Chicago and it connects to their train loop. There will be no… Read more »
@Palma
Shit.. is this a fucking skateboard thing?
I sold it actually for £20. I transferred him the £20 when he asked about it.
Replace ‘skateboard’ with ‘link to that other life we had/could have’ (includes you) and read how that sounds.
The concept of ‘wanting to just get it’ doesn’t apply only to girls.
@ Palma There’s a difference between a man 1) apologizing to tactically escape servile fear or filial loss and 2) apologizing as a man feels he has done something wrong and must make amends. Your son is a clear-headed young man in a manipulative environment. He can tell the difference between the two apology types and will appreciate your extension of good will. I’ve said something to the effect to others after I’ve botched things: I’m looking to be better in many ways and appreciate your input. You’re a smart guy and I appreciate that too. If there is anything… Read more »
Hi, I decided to post because, I’m a guy going through some shit and don’t know where to turn for advice. Someone said to try this msg. board. Ok, here’s my situation: I’m 44 but look much younger most people think I’m in my late 20’s. I had horrible experiences with girls growing up. And ended up getting my first real gf in my early 20’s we have been tog. since then 8 yrs. bf/gf and 13yrs. married. I have always been attracted to other women but just thought she was my only option. Once I hit my late 30’s… Read more »
Regent,
Welcome.
First off, I’d like to get specific what you want. Your life is drifting aimlessly. You do things, have great ideas and potential, yet feel unfulfilled.
What part of your life represents your biggest disappointment and we’ll start there. It’s easy to be buried by all the little misgivings unless we relax, step back a little, and view yourself from a 3rd person perspective together.
Regent
Just go see a lawyer and get it done. There is no there there in your situation and you will be dead before you know it.
Your welcome.
Holy hell, Sentient! He won’t be in any better situation after the divorce as hell not have changed him m.o. one bit. He’ll wash rinse and repeat with the FI fueled divorce corp applause. Listen Regent. If you want some order in your life you can get it. If you want some anarchy, you can get that too. There’s little sensible meaning going on in your life ATM and a divorce will give your life meaning and diversify your portfolio and give you places to be and meet important people, yet you’ll be back where you are RIGHT NOW after… Read more »
““Wife is now overweight, spouts off typical huffpo feminist nonsense , and cant fathom why I’m not attracted to her.” If she’s asking why you’re not attracted to her you could tell her “I’m not attracted to an overweight typical huffpo feminist. That’s not whom I married. I’ll be at the tavern.” That’d re-establish your zfg and begin the reconstruction. I’m the opinion, fat shrew-like women can be dread thin and silent. RP asserts women are beholden to evo-bio natures. RP asserts women will change themselves into anything they need to become for sake of AF/BB access. If so, then… Read more »
Ah, Regent, just in case you didn’t get it, Palmasailor is being sarcastic. I can’t really help with your situation as I don’t have comparable experience but many of the married guys here will be able to help you. It seems to me though that you need to start from the beginning and really work on yourself and improve yourself and learn about the Red Pill and basically figure out what you want in life. You should read Rollo’s first book at least (or the Best Of section on this site) for the basic principles of the Red Pill. You… Read more »
long time – @J – I see nextasf has gone. Skills told me to search reddit for masf to find the temp reddit sub but nothing seems to comes up for me. Can you post a link or something Are all the same posters there? Grodmesiter, skills, bachos(sp?) (the male model dude who girls always hit on) etc?
Regent Ehintellect Palma Holy hell, Sentient! He won’t be in any better situation after the divorce as hell not have changed him m.o. one bit. Well he will be better off without her for sure. so there’s that. As to your second point, that’s afir, he does need to work on himself. But that is easily done without this kind of baggage. Look, if he had kids, if he said he loved his wife, she was a good person, he wanted to bang her… – sure he can knuckle under and try and turn this aorund. But as your story… Read more »
@ Sentient
I agree with your analysis and will wait until Regent replies.
Regent
While this is a great resource for Red Pill Theory, you can also head over to Reddit to marriedredpill. They talk A LOT about these exact issues and sometimes they give helpful advice. A word of caution, they too can be a bit rough, especially if you just post without looking at any reference material. (It’s like posting here –“I’ve never read The Rational Male, but I need someone to spoon-feed me some help.”)
You can change your life for the better, I did, but you have to put in the work.
My job is to help a person from a to b. The jouney is theirs alone.
Not a troll, have read Rational Male posts, yes getting clear on direction I agree with. Palma who cares if I’m 44? Didn’t you get divorced and start over around that age? Like I said most people think I’m 27. It’s just I can’t stop looking at other women. Especially younger women. Been propositioned etc. but once they find out you’re married. Then they freak out.
@Regent it seems super difficult to deal with women on any level. They seem to change personalities by the minute, and send mixed signals. Looks like this was written for you: https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message/ Recently in the past few years I basically got “Me Tooed” several times just for joking around and flirting,nothing that would constitute harassment. You mean you were shamed for your behavior? Or pushed through a legal process? Related reading: https://therationalmale.com/2017/11/09/the-creep-part-1/ (see also part 2 and 3) Wife is now overweight, spouts off typical huffpo feminist nonsense , and cant fathom why I’m not attracted to her. Face it:… Read more »
Regent
“Been propositioned etc. but once they find out you’re married. Then they freak out.”
Lots of women will bang married guys. I suspect you are doing something to hide the fact upfront and then surprising them with it. You doing online stuff?
MeToo comes from a guy appearing one way and then revealing himself another way… Sheep in wolf’s clothing syndrome.
Yes I mean shamed, not arrested for anything, ha, ha And yes I often would hide that I’m married while flirting. And yeah that pisses alot of girls off. Recently example was joking with some chunky girl about her tats at an event and made a funny innuendo. I felt we had a good rapport etc. So it wasn’t out of the blue. She apparently freaked out and got me banned from. the place even though I was just joking around, she also said I was following her around when I wasn’t! And I wasn’t even into this chick!!!!!, just… Read more »
Regent, I’m confused yet to your ends. Do you want to not feel bad about desiring hot women? Do you want to reify your masturbation fantasies (serious question)? Take a moment, dial back your artistic whimsical nature. You won’t arrive at your destination if you never pick one. Get specific and limit yourself to 1 major objective. If you have to think in “I just can’t stop xxxx” then realize this: you choose chaos as having options is more validating to you than actually choosing and acting on something concrete. This stuff is as easy to understand as you will… Read more »
@Palmasailor
quick thought…
@HABD
It didn’t actually go “bad” as such. He’d already declined the offer before we had the talk.
did he have a chance to accept the offer ‘after’ you had the talk… in a way that would allow him to save face and look like he wasn’t ‘caving on his principles’?…
if not, might be worth another shot in the morning before the event… (not sure what the time diff is… you might be at the dinner already…lol)
good luck!
IRL,
Wife is attracted to me, I remember you from another forum, and thought you were a little bit too harsh then.
@IAS: Your question, although it has a scientific component to it, is a matter of philosophy. It boils down to these issues: What is life. What is the value and meaning of life. These are matters that can be discussed and certainly have been, but it might be a flaw in life that we are even capable of asking the questions. One defining characteristic of life is that it reproduces itself. From a certain perspective your individuality is an illusion. Life is not a thing, it is a process. You are an instantiation of that process, something like a cell… Read more »
Ehsentient, I see what you mean, yeah it’s just like primal emotional conflict going on. And I think my persona and perception is different because of my artistic nature.
“Recently example was joking with some chunky girl about her tats at an event and made a funny innuendo. I felt we had a good rapport etc. So it wasn’t out of the blue. She apparently freaked out and got me banned from. the place even though I was just joking around, she also said I was following her around when I wasn’t!” That’s merely uncalibrated, ignorant social skills. You might have heard of Game, pickup, flirting and tactics, but…. It’s pretty well known that you don’t tease or neg girls below a certain attractiveness level. Because it’s pretty predictable… Read more »
Regent, As far as being banned that’s a combination of zero preselection, female insecurity of unverified AF/BB benefit, lack of ASD discretion by publicly sexualizing a woman too soon, WK beta orbiters willing to enforce FI decorum. See? You first were unknown quantity. Women fear not getting something for nothing. They are deeply mired in negotiation sex, AF or BB irrelavant. You point out a woman’s phony nature. That’s done by only accepted Alphas. And men who kow-tpw to women know zfg dudes are a threat to their sexual access. You are isolated and easily expelled. If you’d have a… Read more »
@Regent: “. . . once they find out you’re married. Then they freak out.”
There are women who will proposition you because you are married. You are using the wrong gauge filter.
@Palmasailor
@HABD
3pm here
This sent at 10am
https://imgur.com/a/RzkSE4x
Thanks..
probably the best you can do at this point in time… does he really know how to uber?…lol… even if he doesn’t show up, at least the seed is planted…
and if he doesn’t show, the next step is to ask him to help you with something… i’m sure there are projects around your new place, right?… bc you need his ‘help’… in ‘kid’ that translates as you need/want HIM… and even if he doesn’t agree, another seed is planted…
good luck!
Regent ” I think my persona and perception is different because of my artistic nature.” Put that coffee down! Look man, there are no special snowflakes in evo-bio/psych… These are the principles which all this advice comes from. Inside is wiring which has evolved for reasons. So it’s on these ancient circuits that your cocka is pinging for hot young women and not for your fat wife… It’s on these ancient circuits that your wife got fat and is forcing you into the arms of other women, i.e. away from her… It’s not because she is sooooo attracted to you…… Read more »
Regent,
Artistic nature without artistic focus = flaky social retard.
That works only in Portland.
Choose different and now. Get serious about your self-respect and others will respond likewise
@scars The subreddit is r/masf. You’d next to send POB a DM for access. But I wouldn’t recommend it tbh. Most posts are by sarge. Who has been banned from joining the new forum for his continued trolling. The good posters, including Bacchus, are on my Facebook group (we’ll move to the new forum once it’s up) About the male model thing. It’s funny that when guys see him mention that, they immediately think the dude must look like the black version of Francisco lachowski 😂. Keep in mind. This guy is also a ‘male model’ Tbh I’d say I’m… Read more »
Hold your artistic accomplishment and spirit against these guys. They’re all in all the time.
You? .
Listen to what they’re laying down…beware your own hype even..we’re saying the same.
https://youtu.be/Iu6gbFf7cLs
Up is down. Humiliate yourself into knowing the truth about your failing self. Then bust a move IRT being someone different.
This is getting really complicated!
Seriously just teasing some chunky chick about her tats, and flirting a bit is no cause to get banned this is snowflake silliness. Not some complex anthropological discourse. It has nothing to do with pre-selected , alpha negs etc.. It’s just these girls are sitting around reading b.s. feminist blogs. That’s turning their minds to mush. Even you guys have to admit this. I will admit I like to push boundaries a bit and am not like the typical hipster shrubs these girls are used to but like come on! Ha, ha!
@Regent Hi, I decided to post because, I’m a guy going through some shit and don’t know where to turn for advice. Someone said to try this msg. board. Ok, here’s my situation: I’m 44 but look much younger most people think I’m in my late 20’s. why does this matter to you?… serious question… I had horrible experiences with girls growing up. welcome to the club…lol… and to TRM… And ended up getting my first real gf in my early 20’s we have been tog. since then 8 yrs. bf/gf and 13yrs. married. right on schedule…lol… when she hit… Read more »
@Palmasailor @HABD He’s been on my Uber account for two years since Milan car auction, he used it to book all the taxis for us. so, at least he can get there… he might show up… I’ve asked him to come and work with me and I’ve offered him work with another friend who owns a factory manufacturing the metalwork for very high end jewellery. All NO. were all of these work offers ‘work offers’… or personal favors to you?… you know, like you needed him to help you with something personal to you… He’s being a fucking shit. maybe…… Read more »
@J OK, maybe I won’t bother joining the sub then if it’s no good – i’ll wait until the site is up With bachuss, I didn’t even know he was a model at first tbh! I just remember reading his FR’s on nextasf and seeing that in most sets, girls were running up to open him and hit on him lol (this happens with my handsome wing lots too) and also his verbals seemed cringey to me personally (although maybe it’s a US/ UK thing?) and then someone told me ‘Dudes a male model” lol. but yeah, i’m sure he… Read more »
“This is getting really complicated!”
Yes and you’re getting less laid.
Notice how fast you dismiss other’s opinions and defend yourself? Less than 24 hours. Fell free to collapse your frame a little more and call it victory.
What you don’t know doesn’t hurt you. It’s what you know that just ain’t so that is your ruin.
Insert shoulder shrug.
This isn’t about other schlubs. It’s about the schlub you see in the mirror.