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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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  1. “a pair of 6’s. Nothing wrong With that. They’re just girls.

    These are everywhere”

    does it even count as pick-up if you’re running it on girls like this?

    seriously.

    “What would those girls say about these girls?”

    i don’t care what they would say.

    i’d:

    get a pair of chopsticks from a waitress

    and drum on the girl w/choker’s chest (because i want to fuck tall one)

    me: “sound is a bit off. you’re probably ovulating. yeah, that’s why you wore the choker”

    hope she hits me.

    me: “no thanks. i’m here to have fun. not become a baby daddy”

    that tall one is fucking hot. how much shit she’s taken from exes, lol

    to the short one:

    me: “you’d make a great outdoor accessory. way better than bear spray”

    her: “wtf does that mean?”

    me: “imagine it’s a perfect summer evening. birthday suit weather. we’re alone in the back country watching the sun go down. and just then, a big fucking angry grizzly attacks”

    her: “you’d fight it”

    me: “no. I’d run. but I don’t have to outrun the bear. I just have to outrun you. yeah, your new nickname is bear food”

    getting her immediately into story mode and hoping she’ll want to qualify why she’s more valuable alive than bear food

    threesome and anal is the goal so i’d pivot to target and insist that she would also leave her friend to be eaten alive in that scenario

    then drop hints about a race later to determine who in fact lives

  2. “Lol those Instagram chicks look funny.”

    Those Instagram chicks look serious….

    adjective
    1.
    (of a subject, state, or activity) demanding careful consideration or application.

    And on display.

    1.
    make a prominent exhibition of (something) in a place where it can be easily seen.

  3. @sentient

    As I’ve said multiple times, I dont like blondes. I guess they’re “hot” according to guys who like blondes like you, but personally I would not bang the chick on the left (I legit have no desire to bang her). The right maybe.

    Just cause a chicks a model (swimsuit models included) don’t automatically make her an HB10 (I find the Hadid sisters mad overrated tbh. Cassel’s wife is meh).

    models I like are prime-Adriana, prime-Alsessandra, Taylor Hill, and Emily ratajkowski

  4. I also don’t like the face / hair on the two blondes, but they are quite hot and definitely not ugly.

    @J and @Scars: what do you think of prime Katy Perry (i.e. a few years back)?

  5. Setting standards for all.😁

    I only like blondes if there’s something likable about them. There a no automatic.

    I don’t find the Instagram chicks hot. I ain’t impressed by pics or model status. That shit is overdone. Went to have a look at the chicks posting, and meh. A chick whose calves and thighs are the same circumference looks funny to me. Shapeless. I work with guys distraught like chicks built like 12 year-old boys. A bunch of t them over the years. And what they say makes perfect sense to them.

    Good for them.

  6. IAS: Katie Perry 2010? Pretty hot. Like an 8? But I honestly see so many hotter girls every night I go out! It’s kind of torture lol
    Yeah, i’m also not a huge fan of them 2 insta blondes. Not close to the pic I posted above (at least to my tastes)

  7. No matter what they look like, models are a pain in the ass to deal with on any extended basis (like for more than 10 minutes).

    Katy Perry and Rose McGowan have Superman Jaw Syndrome. Not my thing.

  8. @kfg: true that chin irks me too. Very nice rack though.
    Zooey Deschanel (who looks quite similar) had a generally prettier face (I don’t like those bangs though)… But has almost no boobs.

    @Sentient: I know you are not a fan (I don’t like her look now BTW), but around 2010 I think she was holding very well against the VicSec models, to me she looks prettier than the majority of those in the picture. Not sure how she felt but she never seemed particularly stable mentally.

    @Blax: when she was younger I consider her very pretty even without make-up (not nearly as much now). If you bring up other celebs against make up they also don’t look as pretty as they usually do.

  9. “Zooey Deschanel”

    If I close my eyes she’s gorgeous. That touch of husk in her voice gets to me. You can have the rest, especially the awful bangs.

    “If you bring up other celebs against make up they also don’t look as pretty as they usually do.”

    In their prime:

    Audrey Hepburn without makeup and her hair down was a real cutey. The Hollywood “glamour” artists actually made her look worse.

    Leslie Caron, although a bit distinctly Gallic looking for my taste was another, so it’s a real shame she rarely allowed herself enough hair to let down. The Hollywood glamour people would have helped in her case, if she would have let them.

    I don’t remember who it was, but I remember some behind the camera man remarking that Linda Evans was the only woman he knew who was beautiful without makeup and he’d seen all starlets both ways.

    For a wild card, Tara Reid. The down side is that she had a hip to waist ratio of about 1:1. That, and she was, ya know, Tara Reid. Pity.

  10. “what do you think of prime Katy Perry”

    6.5 tbh

    “Yeah, i’m also not a huge fan of them 2 insta blondes. Not close to the pic I posted above (at least to my tastes)”

    +1. good taste.

    for reference, here’s prime Adriana and Alessandra, respectively:

    https://cdn.cliqueinc.com/cache/posts/210410/from-1999-to-2016-see-adriana-limas-incredible-victorias-secret-evolution-2004712-1480982367.700x0c.jpg

    https://i2.wp.com/www.supermodel.pictures/wp-content/gallery/vsfs/2000//Runway/AlessandraAmbrosio/supermodel.pictures-vsfs2000-035.jpg

  11. Adriana is constantly hot.

    Allessandra not as hot.

    Idk, I swear I.see you chicks all the time, especially at the shore in.summer, that are just as hot. I’m a sticker for makeup trickery. I immediately start ‘ looking through ‘ makeup in photographs, as well as hair dying and extentions, and I start subtracting. Some guys only care about skinny/weighs 100 pounds, but there’s more to what I consider a ‘ nice ‘ body, and it doesn’t look anything like a prepubescent boy.

    Having had 2 pageant contesting sisters, I have been fascinated by how boys/men react visually to certain cues for decades. There’s an entire industry or two devoted to faking those cues, and.Men are constantly bombarded with ‘ visions ‘. This works against you.

    I know.quite a few women that absolutely will not leave the house without putting on warpaint and appendages. It’s instructive for men to take a few genders at this phenomenon in 2018, because it’s getting off the chain. If one isn’t discerning, he will.swear a 6 is a 9. Savy women know this. All that selfie shit is a tutorial for them. They experience the abundance of thirst from guys that think way more of them than they think of themselves actually, and they learn….like.a.cyborg/terminator.

  12. @j
    ”+1. good taste”

    I literally have like tonnes of my idea of really hot girls so close to where i live! Already been rejected by most of them lol

    Tried my luck for a second time with the girl on the right the other night:

    https://imgur.com/a/Ubsgapo

    Hard ‘no girl’, though unfortunately. Literally could have had TylerRSD in my ear feeding me lines through an earpiece and it still wasn’t gonna happen with her!

    Ran some game on the new bar girl in a bar I drink at last night and even though it’s always hard to know how to take IOI’s from girls who are working, she was throwing my a fair few IOI’s compared to other people so i’ll see if that goes anywhere. Also, Czech girl is doing all of the chasing for us to meet up which is a good sign

  13. ” Literally could have had TylerRSD in my ear feeding me lines through an earpiece and it still wasn’t gonna happen with her! ”

    Not with that attitude

  14. scars, without the nonverbal signals, even with the greatest lines, your game will be shit…do you even have a clue what nonverbal signals are?

    you sound very spergy with this focus on lines

  15. it’s always hard to know how to take IOI’s from girls who are working

    If she comps you drinks, she likes you. Run some compliance tests on her beyond just getting you food and drinks.

  16. My game appears to have worked on the bar girl! Just got a friend request and a flirty message on facebook (my brother goes out with a girl who she knows so guess she got all my details from her?) – so looking very positive that I could have the Polish girl and this bar girl on the go soon. Year started slow compared to last year, but with a strong finish, I might keep up lay count! lol.

  17. with a girl who she knows so guess she got all my details from her?

    You catching on to the whole “social proof” thing Scars?

  18. I might keep up lay count!

    Bet I get laid more than you do. lol Yeah, there’s a point to this. “Quality” will only take you so far. Would you rather fuck a pretty girl who gives you clap or a merely attractive girl who is clean. There’s a lot of pretty skanks out there.

    Button up before you dip your wick.

    “She let me rawdog her.” Says so much about a young man’s low opinion of himself.

  19. IAS

    You still banging ESG? What’s going on with that?

    Culum

    You still out there bro?

    Palma

    You sailing?

  20. i’ve only ever seen dance reports from you, although maybe you were a slayer in your younger days? What’s your n-count out of interest?
    Yeah, I didn’t write that about rawdogging. I tend to use a condom lol (usually)

  21. @scars

    I was never crazy about Mila. No homo but I only watched That 70’s show for Kelso, Hyde, and Eric. Hilarious show

    Hmm actresses I like that I can think of:

    -Jessica Alba in idle hands
    – Eliza Dushku in Bring It On
    – Nathalie Kelley in Tokyo Drift (banged a girl that looked just like her)

    @Sentient

    Culum said he wasn’t gonna comment here again till he got laid from cold approach

  22. I’m not interested in banging the same girl again and again personally, lol.
    17 or 18 when I lost my V-card.

  23. @J – I neverr watched that 70’s show, but i’ve seen pics and Mila was a stunner in it, for my tastes! (i’ll have to google them other girls)

  24. @SJF

    “The game never ends but your “Game” mentality actually does.”

    No one with game actually has a “game mentality” kid….

    also not responding to your copy pasta quotes

  25. “The game never ends but your “Game” mentality actually does.”

    No one with game actually has a “game mentality” kid….”

    No wonder your girls call you lazy.

    If you understood what was trying to be said. Both those sentences are describing the same concept.

    I could have been more clear and used the term Pick-up Game Mentality. Men change their outlook every 4, 8, 12 years.

  26. “I could have been more clear and used the term Pick-up Game Mentality. Men change their outlook every 4, 8, 12 years.”

    Most men never change their outlook……..

  27. @Sentient: still FWB with ESG. I’m pretty sure she is in love with me actually. Which is flattering but I don’t particularly want her to suffer as I like her.

  28. “I’m pretty sure she is in love with me actually. Which is flattering but I don’t particularly want her to suffer as I like her.”

    Women rarely experience true suffering….

  29. “Women rarely experience true suffering….”

    So what? They invent emotional suffering. Which is real and true suffering, for them.

    Good luck with the Dog language, Mersonia.

    Not the dialect language of women.

    Once again, you are being lazy, man.

    Don’t even read this copy and paste from Franco, Manual of Seduction, Mersonia. Cause you are: lazy

    Quote:

    Woman’s Language and Seduction

    Of course, seduction is not only connected with genetics and the instinct to procreate. Seduction has much to do with psychology as well.

    Neuropsychology is a science studying the way in which our neurological structure expresses itself on a psychological level. Surprise, surprise! It helps us to understand the differences between man and woman.

    Also a branch of psychology called NLP (Neurolinguistic programming) helps us to understand what happens in the field of seduction. NLP is a very broad psychological science: one of its branches is the study of non-verbal communication and another branch is the study of mental frames. For example, the subservient mental frame is a concept of NLP.

    The news is that men and women are different on the neuropsychological level and they don’t even speak the same language. Are you surprised? Again this is something so different from what your parents and teachers taught you.

    The truth is that the male and female brains are different and for this reason man and woman are different:
    A. Speak different languages.
    B. Behave in a different way.

    If you are having difficulties in seducing women almost probably this is because you talk to women using masculine language and women do not understand it.

    Neuropsychological differences between men and woman are very, very subtle.

    A superficial examination would have us believe that a man and a woman, who speak English or Italian or Spanish, speak the same language. In reality men and women do not speak the same language.

    To become an expert seducer you need to learn to recognize the differences between male and female language.

    You need to become “interpreters of the female language.” What is new is that to become a successful seducer you need to learn to talk to a woman in her own language and to recognize a woman’s behavioral models and react with appropriate behavior.

    One of the most important reasons most men are able to seduce only one woman in their life – sometimes not even one woman – is that they talk with the woman using male language and automatically assume that the woman feels and behaves like a man.

    You can learn woman’s language and woman’s behavioral models with the help of this book. Once you have learned this, no woman will be able to resist you. You will be able to speak to her in a way she feels is absolutely irresistible.

    Magnetic resonance and isotopic studies of the brain have shown that men react to language using only the logical part of the brain and women use both the logical and emotional parts of the brain.

    A woman’s language is different in the following essential points:

    a. Emotions have a larger greater importance for the woman than for the man. Men are able to communicate to each other for long and indefinite periods only at the logical level.

    Women communicate both at the logical and at the emotional levels. The percentage of emotionality in the feminine way of feeling and expressing things is much greater than in the masculine way of doing so.

    So to effectively communicate with a woman you need to forget logic and communicate with her emotions.

    If you are not able to communicate with her emotions you will not able to seduce her. By using logic you will, of course, succeed in bringing “some woman” into bed, but you will never succeed in really seducing her.

    This will lead to problems in the relationship later on.

    b. Logic does not have such a great importance for a woman than for a man. The woman can, of course, use logic do to things but the bridge to communicating with her in seduction is through her emotions.

    A woman rarely does something if “she does not feel like it” or if “she does not feel feelings.” Even if she does it but without the right emotions then you can be deadly sure that she is lying.

    This rule is especially true for very beautiful women who are used to being adored by men and worshipped by society. As we want to seduce the most beautiful women, then we need to learn how to talk on the emotional level if we want to succeed.

    The same woman who is able to work as a jet pilot or as an engineer will feel in a total illogical way – from the point of view of a man – in love and social relationships.

    Don’t let yourself to be fooled: even if she is an engineer, don’t expect her to behave with you in a logical way. With you she will behave in a totally illogical and immoral way.

    She will follow in the field of love relationships the law of the jungle even if she tries in any given moment to get you to believe the contrary.

    You need to remember in particular that at the precise moment a woman is in contact with a very masculine man, her mental state changes and she starts to feel much more emotional than in other cases.

    For this reason if you want to seduce a woman who is a jet pilot or works as an engineer, remember that she will apply logic at her workplace like a man, but when she is in your presence and senses the presence of a very masculine man, her mental state will change.

    Then the percentage of emotionality in her speech and behavior will reach maximum levels.

    One of the purposes of her emotionality is to get your logic messed up and get you to make “irrational choices” such as making her pregnant and protecting her in the long term as a provider to her.

    You need also to remember that a woman who is very careful in other interactions about not causing problems to other individuals such as her parents and friends will, in the presence of your masculine hormone, become an extremely immoral creature on the emotional level.

    Some women will, in the presence of your masculine hormone, also become immoral and wild on the behavioral level and not only the emotional one.

    Practically speaking she will behave with you as though she has the right to feel all the emotions she wants and has the right to discharge them on you, without the slightest worry as to how this will affect you and your life.

    Many women, though not all, will also behave with you as though they have the right to do anything to you, without the slightest worry as to how this will affect you and your life.

    In other words the law of the jungle will start to rule your interaction and from that moment she will behave with you in a totally immoral way.

    If you want to seduce many women, it is better for you to keep this in mind and be prepared for it because this is what you will face.

    From the moment she enters into this emotional and “immoral” mental state her sensations will guide her in most situations – and particularly in her interactions with you – so that she will be prone to changing her behavior from one moment to another with the “rationale” for this change possibly being based on only one word, situation or thought.

    In a few minutes or an hour her mental state will vary from one feeling to another trough a feelings chain where the elements connect to each other in a totally illogical way. Like this:

    Feeling a > b > c > d > e > f

    Here the elements of the chain are not in logical connection between each other but depend only on how the environment, you and her inner feelings influence her at any given moment.

    To become an expert seducer you need to learn to put logic aside and enter a new world where emotions – no matter how illogical – have a predominant meaning on all that happens in the course of the seduction.

    You need to learn to confront yourself with a reality where the emotion of a moment has a much more important meaning than the logical chain of thought you are used to as a man.

    When you are in touch with this feminine mental state, don’t worry anymore about why she behaves in such an illogical way. Focus instead on seducing her basing what you do only on the emotions she feels at that particular moment.

    Do not even minimally worry about whether she will be behaving in a logical way a minute, a day or a week later. Most women in fact will not switch to behaving in a logical way later either, but will instead simply follow the chain of emotions I just told about.

    By trying to force her into a logical interaction you only cause stress to yourself and to her, especially if you are in an emotional and erotic relationship with her.

    She will simply not follow logic, but emotions.

    c. Words have a much more important meaning in woman’s world than in man’s world.

    If you want to become an expert seducer you need to learn to use words in the right way. I will teach you how. Let’s learn now on practical level at how we can speak to a woman in her own language.

    Let’s first learn the difference between a logical phrase and an emotional phrase:

    A logical phrase: “Mary, I’m single and I’ve been living alone for a year. You are also single. We are both free. I think we could be happy together.”

    An emotional phrase:” Mary I woke up this morning and I felt a strange sense of predestination. Not even the colors of my room felt the same. What a strange sensation! Suddenly I saw that there is a tremendous connection between us. I imagined the sensation of a cup of coffee between us put there on the table, the intensity of a deep, extraordinary talk.”

    Do you see the difference? The first phrase is a logical deduction. True, if you use the logical way to say something, you will surely have your message reach the woman. But that will take you nowhere in terms of seduction.

    In fact, she does not give a shit about you two being singles and about how “logically” you could be a couple: with that phrase you gave her absolutely no emotions to feel.

    Try to imagine you tell a male friend the second phrase: the first thing coming to his mind will be for sure that you have become gay.

    Well: the second phrase is the effective one in the field of seduction with a woman! The second phrase expresses the same thing but in a completely different way.

    There are words like “predestination”, “the colors of the room”, “a tremendous connection.” Those words tell about feelings and deep sensations.

    Let’s now imagine that she asks: “What’s your job?”

    A logical phrase: “My name is Mark. I work as a banker in bank.”

    An emotional phrase: “My name is Bond, James Bond. I just landed at a military airport. What work? For me this is a mission. I’m defending my country’s interests. Anyway my cover here is that I work in a bank, I’m a banker. What I really do is another story. Can you keep a secret, Baby?”

    Could you even imagine a male friend talking to you in that way? You would consider him crazy or gay. Well. It is only your male reaction.

    I can swear that at this moment I have in the set of my MLTRs (see please the chapter about MLTRs) a few women, who still call me “James” in spite of the fact that I have been going with them for months already.

    For them I am James Bond. No kidding.

    Just for fun, buy some romance novel from a library and read it. You will find a lot of phrases that are really vague, complicated, unbelievable and tortuous and most of all emotional. Women love everything that men hate the most in this area.

    They love everything influencing their mental state and provoking emotions. Women love exactly what most men hate: emotional over-involvement.

    One interesting thing: most men generally have no clue at all that women love both positive and negative emotions. They can enjoy the emotions caused by a beautiful flower as well as the emotions caused by a bill not being paid in time.

    To become an expert seducer you need to learn to put oil on fire. The more drama you cause her, the more you have her feeling emotions – both positive and negative – and the more she will love you.

    Observe her: she is able to feel an interminable chain of emotions about a bill not being paid on time and then forgets the whole thing in a few hours.

    Do an experiment: try to talk with a woman after one day about the wonderful and dramatic feelings she felt the day before and watch her answer. The answer will be:” What? Yesterday? What are you talking about?” You will notice that she does not remember the emotions of the day before.

    If you talk to women in the emotional way explained above, they will consider you attractive and interesting. They will consider you attractive because you will cause strong emotions in them.”

  30. Next chapter from Franco, Manual of Seduction:

    Woman’s Emotional States

    Let’s now learn a new concept: the concept of mental state.

    Contrary to what we might like to believe, our mental states are not constant: they change all the time.

    We can be happy in the morning, sad in the afternoon, angry in the evening, a minute before in love and a minute later we may hate the one we loved.

    Men tend to use logic to repress emotions for the purpose of keeping their mental state as constant as possible.

    Women let themselves go and give themselves the permission to slip from one emotional state to another.

    Men-lead society has conditioned women so that they have learned to hide these traits of theirs very well, so well indeed that men rarely notice it.

    Women in reality live all the time in a really intense emotional world, functioning like a chain of emotions, where every emotion leads to the following one, in a neverending chain. As we said above:

    Emotion a leads to an emotion b > c > d > e > f and so on.

    She may wake up in the morning and be happy because the birds are singing. She may become sad looking at her red dress as soon as she remembers that a girlfriend told her she does not like it. And maybe, after having changed the dress, she can feel full of life and joy while walking to work.

    She may receive a telephone call from her boyfriend who interrupts her while she talks, and she may feel he does not understand her and for this reason she might not feel like buying a newspaper and reading the news and so on.

    She can let herself go with the flow of the emotions and not even feel the presence of any conflict in spite of the fact that her emotions are irrational and not logically connected to each other.

    In spite of the bullshit she may tell to you, while seducing a woman keep in mind this principle:

    A woman never feels guilty about her emotions and is not worried at all about the integrity of her emotions and behavior as a man would be.

    If she sees a red dress and remembers how her girlfriend told her it does not look good on her, she will displace this feeling on the environment – i.e. on you if you happen to be there at that moment – and she will not give a shit about how this affects you and others.

    Of course, she can say:” Sorry. I am being very nervous and agitated.”

    But in female language what she really means is:” I don’t give a shit about how this affects you. I am nervous and agitated and that’s all! Live with it!”

    So don’t take her seriously. To seduce a woman put even more oil on the fire. Don’t try to understand her “logic.” That would simply drive you crazy and could also ruin the relationship. For example:

    She: “This red dress is shit! It does not look good on me at all!”

    He: “Don’t worry dear! We buy a new one!” Wrong! Male logic! You assume that buying a new dress will calm her down. Things only get worse in that way. Correct approach:

    She: “This red dress is shit! It does not look good on me at all!”

    He: “You’re right Sweetie! Imagine if you were a Spanish bull-fighter, you could stop the bull wearing that dress.”

    Of course she will get pissed off. And you – calmly – put even more oil on the fire.

    He:” Now you remind me even more the bull than the bull-fighter with those angry eyes!” She:” You are a fucking bastard!”

    But, she now calms down.

    He: “Yes I am. Here, come to your bull!”

    He lets her feel all the emotions connected with the dress, without worrying – not even for a second – about solving her problem. That is what the deeper primordial part of her really wants: a man who does not loose his head over her emotions.

    She does not want a man who buys her a new dress any time she feels strange emotions.

    For this reason the road for bringing the most beautiful women to bed is:

    1. Learn to “read” a woman’s emotions. Read her emotional state at the precise moment she feels it and realize that there is no guarantee of constancy in her emotions.

    2. Learn to express yourself in her emotional language and communicate with her emotional STATE as we described above, without worrying about logic at all.

    3. Learn to influence her emotional state to make her feel certain emotions. And that can be done through language.

    NLP psychology (Neurolinguistic programming) has demonstrated that words and detailed descriptions cause emotions in others and influence the mental state of others. This point is extremely important when it comes to seduction.

    A general rule is this: using words, descriptions and language you can influence her mental state.

    When you want to seduce a woman, imagine you are an orchestra director and imagine that she is the orchestra and her emotions are the music.

    Your dash is to learn to direct her emotions and lead them in a romantic and sexual direction or better, in any emotional direction which helps you in your seduction.

    And influence her to feel these emotions exactly with you! The best of seductions has in principle two steps:

    1. Influencing a woman’s emotional state using words, descriptions and language, with the purpose of having her feel romantic and engaged in sexual emotions – or better – any emotional state which helps you in your seduction.

    2. Influencing her emotional state using words, description and language to have her direct those emotions towards you.

    Here are two examples of conversations between a man and a woman. In the first case the man is not an expert in seduction. In the second case the man has read my book, has done the field practice and really knows how to direct the “orchestra.”

    Let’s say she is a healthy lifestyle freak and wants to keep herself in shape by going on diets and doing sports.

    Example 1 (wrong approach)

    He:” Hi, how do you do?”

    She:” Hi. I’m okay.” He:” Would you like some coffee?”

    She:” No, no I hate coffee! How can you drink a poison like that?” (She puts her emotions on him, in a typical feminine way)

    He: “Don’t be silly. You know very well coffee doesn’t damage anyone!”

    She: “Anyway I worry about my health. Thank you very much, but I don’t want any coffee.” (Irritated.)

    He:” A Coca Cola?” She:” Even worse! What world are you living in? Don’t you know that there is caffeine in Coca Cola, too?” (She laughs, in a non-respectful way.)

    He:” What’s your problem, Lady? After all I only want to have a little chat with you to get to know you better. Come on! Let’s go to a bar!” (Irritated, confused, already going into the subservient frame, uses logic.)

    She: “No, no bars are so noisy! Maybe some other time. Bye!”

    Of course at this point 98% of men (non-players) will think:” What a fucking bitch!” Well let’s see how an expert player would handle this approach.

    He:” Hi. How are you?”

    She:” I am okay. Thanks.”

    He:” Would you like some coffee?”

    She:” No, no I hate coffee! How can you drink a poison like that?”

    He: “Yes. It is a tremendous poison. It enters your stomach. It bores holes in it. Slowly a strange pallor comes to your face and you loose consciousness…” (He does not take her seriously. He tells her that smiling in a slightly sarcastic but funny way.)

    She:” Don’t play games please. You should know that health matters have to be taken seriously.” (She smiles too. She is challenged and is interested in knowing more. Who is this guy who passes her tests, does not take her emotions seriously and has the guts to make fun of her?)

    He:” Interesting. You are interested in health matters? Tell me more…”

    She:” Yes. I am a homeopath and I have a healthy lifestyle. I really don’t understand how people can damage their body drinking coffee!” (She smiles and is relieved. This guy really knows how to communicate!)

    He:” True, true. People do not respect enough their bodies. Why did you choose homeopathy?” (Genuinely interested.)

    She:” Boring! Are you always so serious?”

    (She tests him again. She tests him to see if he looses his control over such a personal comment. Women do this to men all the time.

    See the chapter on women’s tests for this.)

    He:” Only when I talk to spoiled, little ladies and to protect the bartender from an emotional breakdown.” (Sarcastic, without loosing is cool, making fun of her)

    She:” Don’t make fun of me! Health is such an important thing! (Surprised and interested: he really must be a self-confident guy! 90% of men would not have passed these tests!)

    He: ”Very, very seriously! I know a vegetarian restaurant here in town.”

    She: ”Which one?” He:” The Little Green Lady.”

    She:” Bastard! Don’t make fun of serious things!” (Laughing like hell. He is a hell of a guy! He does not take her seriously!)

    He:” So let’s go there and have a bite and you can explain how I can get serious.”

    She:” Really? Come to think of it, I haven’t eaten yet. Now what’s that restaurant really called?”

    And in a short while they are together in the vegetarian restaurant.

    The Little Green Lady is touching the hand of her new Hero. She is telling him how good he is at understanding her.

    And only because she feels coffee is bad for your health! This happened because he is so good in influencing a woman’s emotional state.

    In the first example the man took her emotions seriously, used logic, got scared by her emotional reaction, did not pass her tests and thus went rapidly into conflict. That’s the way women can rule men with weaker personalities out of their lives with only a few words.

    In the second example the man did not take her emotions seriously, passed all her tests, succeeded in influencing her mental state and in attaching her emotions to himself and got her to go with him to the vegetarian restaurant. Ironically she felt understood and accepted just because he did not take her seriously, not even for a second.

    She remained particularly impressed by the fact he was so masculine in talking about her emotions while at the same time he didn’t really give a shit about what she said.

    This is the secret dream of every woman because a woman does not want to take responsibility for her emotions. She remained impressed by his self-confidence and proceeded to go to the restaurant with him. He succeeded in seducing her by showing to her that he is a leader.

    In fact the meaning of the woman’s tests in the second example is:” If he does not give a shit about my emotional states and at the same time is able to interpret them and have me going where he wants, that means he is a leader.” All the tests come from her primordial, instinctual part, looking around for the best genes.

    In a man women look for extremely feminine qualities:

    – The ability to interpret and influence their emotional states.

    And at the same time for extremely masculine qualities:

    – The ability to not give a shit about their emotional states and lead them as a leader.

    For these reasons many men complain that they do not understand women. To understand a woman to a larger extent, a man should have the leadership abilities of an Alpha male and at the same time the sensibility of a lesbian.

    Effective players have both these qualities.

    After you have read and put in practice the knowledge and the techniques of this book you will be able to use both these qualities at the same time, in the right proportions and at the right moment. That will turn you into an irresistible seducer.

    In the second example, there is something very important from the point of view of seduction. The guy in the second example was leading the woman.

    In fact an expert seducer must be able to understand and influence a woman’s mental states.

    Even more, he knows that every woman is endlessly testing a man for a certain trait: dominance, the ability to be a leader.

    In fact every woman dreams at a primordial level of meeting and being impregnated by the: Alpha dominant male. “

  31. “Women rarely experience true suffering….”

    Well my wife did ask me to fuck her good at bed-time. (No silly, not overtly), via sub-comms She suffered over the weekend with a bad menstrual period. She figured she was over that suffering.

    I told her to wait till morning. She refused.

    So I did. And she magically turned happy. How the fuck did that happen?

    And then I rolled over and listened to music in ear-buds. Then Amy Winehouse came on “PopRocks” singing Rebab.

    This song is autobiographical. Many successful musicians are haunted by their own personal demons of drink and drugs, and Winehouse is no exception.

    Shit, time flies Amy W. drunk herself to death, Died 23 July 2011 (aged 27). Go Figure.

    May not be true suffering. But even if it’s fake, it still plays out in the field.

    Depends on your definition of truth. Emotions. Free energy. Release from constraint.

    Oh, and now Delores O’Riorden is singing….

    Ridiculous Thoughts
    The Cranberries

    Twister, oh, does anyone see though you?
    You’re a twister, oh, na na na na
    But you’re so happy, oh
    I didn’t go along with
    You’re so happy, oh, da na na na
    But you’re gonna have to hold on
    You’re gonna have to hold on
    But you’re gonna have to hold on, hold on, hold on
    Or we’re gonna have to move on
    Oh, we’re gonna have to move on
    Or we’re gonna have to move on, move on, move on
    I feel alive and I cried so hard
    The ridiculous thoughts
    Ah, I feel alive, alive, alive, alive
    Twister, oh, I shouldn’t have trusted in you
    Twister, oh, na na na
    It’s not going to happen, no
    You’re not going to make fun of me
    Happen no, na na na
    But you’re gonna have to hold on
    You’re gonna have to hold on
    But you’re gonna have to hold on, hold on, hold on
    Or we’re gonna have to move on
    We’re gonna have to move on
    Or we’re gonna have to move on, move on, move on
    I feel alive and I cried so hard
    The ridiculous thoughts, ah
    I feel alive, alive, alive, alive
    Ah, I should have lied but I cried so hard
    The ridiculous thoughts, ah
    I should have lied, lied, lied, lied
    You’re gonna have to hold on
    You’re gonna have to hold on
    You’re gonna have to hold on
    You’re gonna have to hold on
    You’re gonna have to hold on
    You’re gonna have to hold on
    You’re gonna have to hold on
    You’re gonna have to hold on
    You’re gonna have to hold on
    You’re gonna have to hold on
    To hold on, to hold on, to hold on

    Delores drowned in a bathtub from too much alcohol…..

    The No True Suffering? Lol.

    Hypergamous suffering is real on their part….

  32. And the songs just keep rolling:

    What Brooks claims to be in this song: bitch, lover, child, mother, sinner, saint.

    Bitch
    Meredith Brooks

    I hate the world today
    You’re so good to me
    I know but I can’t change
    Tried to tell you
    But you look at me like maybe
    I’m an angel underneath
    Innocent and sweet
    Yesterday I cried
    Must have been relieved to see
    The softer side
    I can understand how you’d be so confused
    I don’t envy you
    I’m a little bit of everything
    All rolled into one
    I’m a bitch, I’m a lover
    I’m a child, I’m a mother
    I’m a sinner, I’m a saint
    I do not feel ashamed
    I’m your hell, I’m your dream
    I’m nothing in between
    You know you wouldn’t want it any other way
    So take me as I am
    This may mean
    You’ll have to be a stronger man
    Rest assured that
    When I start to make you nervous
    And I’m going to extremes
    Tomorrow I will change
    And today won’t mean a thing
    I’m a bitch, I’m a lover
    I’m a child, I’m a mother
    I’m a sinner, I’m a saint
    I do not feel ashamed
    I’m your hell, I’m your dream
    I’m nothing in between
    You know you wouldn’t want it any other way
    Just when you think, you got me figured out
    The season’s already changing
    I think it’s cool, you do what you do
    And don’t try to save me
    I’m a bitch, I’m a lover
    I’m a child, I’m a mother
    I’m a sinner, I’m a saint
    I do not feel ashamed
    I’m your hell, I’m your dream
    I’m nothing in between
    You know you wouldn’t want it any other way
    I’m a bitch, I’m a tease
    I’m a goddess on my knees
    When you hurt, when you suffer
    I’m your angel undercover
    I’ve been numb, I’m revived
    Can’t say I’m not alive
    You know I wouldn’t want it any other way

  33. And then we can come upon a song that can be appreciated in the masculine. Always be running or lifting. Rather than be Layne Staley’s bid to be overcome heroin addiction, it can be a rallying cry for masculine self-improvement, esp. the lyric of no more hiding blind spots, disguising truths:

    No Excuses
    Alice In Chains

    It’s alright
    There comes a time
    Got no patience to search
    For peace of mind
    Layin’ low
    Want to take it slow
    No more hiding or
    Disguising truths I’ve sold
    Everyday it’s something
    Hits me all so cold
    Find me sittin’ by myself
    No excuses, then I know
    It’s okay
    Had a bad day
    Hands are bruised from
    Breaking rocks all day
    Drained and blue
    I bleed for you
    You think it’s funny, well
    You’re drowning in it too
    Everyday it’s something
    Hits me all so cold
    Find me sittin’ by myself
    No excuses, then I know
    Yeah, it’s fine
    We’ll walk down the line
    Leave our rain, a cold
    Trade for warm sunshine
    You my friend
    I will defend
    And if we change, well I
    Love you anyway
    Everyday it’s something
    Hits me all so cold
    Find me sittin’ by myself
    No excuses, then I know

    Interesting fact: I’ve moved through red pill buddies over time, other buddies over time and realized the facts underlying the move.

    Captured in this idea:

    “You my friend
    I will defend
    And if we change, well I
    Love you anyway”

    Some of the greatest guys ever, self improve via red pill and move on. They might even ghost you for a while or forever. So be it I’ve had that happen over the last 10 years. It’s a natural thing to happen. It’s a welcome thing for those beloved tribal guys that broke through to recognize their own personalized mission. Some times they were just passing through your territory.

    The more important thing is they are self improved.

    You, the man have other options. But you seek to advance red pill and buddy and tribal stuff.

    Same here. On TRM.

    Advance your help for other Red Pill buddies. For their sake. While you you know you are in a good place because the help of the others over the past years of someone swapping notes among males in the manosphere.

  34. Re: beautiful actresses

    Forgot about these two Spanish beauties:

    – Aracely Arámbula in Abrázame muy fuerte
    – Barbara Mori in La Mujer De Mi Hermano

    Aight that about it lol

  35. @SJF

    ………..like I said not reading your copy pasta …….when you develop some form of original thought… or semi original thought get back to me.

    “Women rarely experience true suffering….”

    So what? They invent emotional suffering. Which is real and true suffering, for them.

    ………………………………………………….You have no real experience ….

  36. “To become an expert seducer you need to learn to put logic aside…”

    To be a expert at anything, logic, reason, knowledge hobbles.

    Understanding>Knowledge

  37. @scars

    paused at 14:28….”hot” lol

    I skipped around a bit, but it looks to me like he’s just winging it, really. Giving a more [gay] friend to friend vibe than man to woman. And then the cringe self-invite to her apartment at 31 minutes. 100% she’s gonna flake on him.

    There’s not a lot of good infields on youtube, but this one’s my favorite at the moment (the chick isn’t a 10/10 hot either but he’s game is rock solid):

    https://youtu.be/FgDXFSHU7rA?t=119

  38. @ j

    solid game? lol

    high pitched, whiny voice -1 (you can fix this)

    apologizes in his open -1 (shows lack of inner frame…low value)

    only occasionally faces the girl +1

    he doesn’t even realize that he doesn’t need to apologize -1 (never overtly apologize unless you are caught red-handed in a serious gaffe and the girl asks for an apology and even then use it to extract compliance…”I understand how you feel and I hate it that I’m such an asshole…please forgive me”)

    the dude understands that he can leverage previous connections…this really only works if the girl is into you already…and windows close so fast so she may be wondering why you remembered her and why you care…probably the dude unwittingly built some value and obtained some attraction because he ignored her…the value of his mission was higher than the girl…the girl perceived this message…

    the dude says be social and fun wherever you go… +2 Gamer Maxim: Bring the party wherever you go.

    the dude explains about girls feeling that they know you already…as if this is somehow like one of Mystery’s three dates to make a girl feel comfortable about banging you… -1 …It’s a toenail of social proof…lasts a split second…

    …listening to this guy’s whiny voice is painful…the girl is LSE with small tits…

  39. @Theasdgamer

    “solid game? lol”

    Rock solid. Watch past the first 5 minutes and see for yourself. Or do you also have ADHD in addition to ASD?

    “high pitched, whiny voice -1”

    yet Aaron voices is deep and manly and he gets nowhere with his girl. Focus on the big picture.

    “apologizes in his open -1 (shows lack of inner frame…low value)”

    There is a difference between a social “sorry”. and a legit “sorry”. Like how guys open with “excuse me (“WHAT??? ALPHA MEN NEVER SAY EXCUSE ME, THEY JUST TAKE WHAT THEY WANT!!!”) , do you guys have a cigarette?”

    “the value of his mission was higher than the girl…the girl perceived this message…”

    +1

  40. I wonder what the average age of these guys that post these infield videos online is.

    This stuff is mostly targeted at young ( teens through early twenties) yes? It seems like infield vids are usually posted by guys in their 30’s or older, that have been into pua for a fairly long time, but by that age they should be better than their posting shows. All they are doing is talking to chicks and saying they got a same night lay. But there’s not much in the interaction related to take as far as I can see.

    What’s being proven is that if you don’t talk to girls in.social settings, you will not get laid.

    I’ve said that a lot of women make up their minds in the morning that they want to have sex that night, much like men do, in this current atmosphere. They head out with intent and get disappointed a lot of times because guys don’t approach and can’t hold enough of a conversation. This includes many ” hot ” chicks as well. I

    So a guy heads to a club or similar environment to pull a chick in a place where a lot of them are already looking to get pulled in the first place, and records it like he’s breaking New ground and doing something skillful and unheard of.

    Always interesting though. Like going into a bakery and talking about the fresh rolls you just scored.

  41. yet Aaron voices is deep and manly and he gets nowhere with his girl. Focus on the big picture.

    You don’t get it. A man’s voice should be musical, not merely deep. Varying tones. Musical. Not whiny. Not monotonously deep tones. Musical. The same is true of a woman’s voice, although it will be an octave or two higher.

    A man’s voice should not be whiny. But obviously the dude’s voice wasn’t a turn off for the girl. The girl was likely DTF from the get go because he ignored her previously and she’s so insecure. Her perceived relative SMV was like -4, so he was a catch for her.

    Women whine and whiny voices are perceived as feminine.

    Whiny voices in men grate on me and I can’t listen to them for long. We autists are particular about our sensations.

    tl;dr The girl was DTF from the get go and the dude’s whiny voice didn’t put her off, but a higher SMV girl would have ignored him.

  42. Asd

    Guys speak differently than they have in the past. It’s a function of feminized society. Like wearing tight skinny pants and shit.😁

  43. ” . . . tight skinny pants . . .”

    . . . which are more often than not hip huggers, which are more overtly feminine than skinny (and even skirts) is.

    Skinny, tight, hip hugging capris makes a man look like he’s been stealing clothes from his kid sister, and this isn’t merely an matter of fashion, but of anatomy and biology. Men and women are built differently and display different sexual cues.

    When women first started wearing shitkicker pants they were only made for men and the fit on women was horrible, so they demanded and got pants cut for women. Now they fit properly, but didn’t look particularly flattering, so the waistband was lowered and everyone was happy. When the legs were then tapered and cut short to show off a bit of ankle, everyone was even happier and the world moved on.

    At least until men started stealing pants from their kid sisters.

  44. “It seems like infield vids are usually posted by guys in their 30’s or older, that have been into pua for a fairly long time, but by that age they should be better than their posting shows”

    Agreed. Most puas on youtube suck. All my wingmen (all of them under 7 years experience), would have recorded a far better infield than the one Aaron just posted. The best would have fucked her that same day (if she was his type).

    “All they are doing is talking to chicks and saying they got a same night lay. But there’s not much in the interaction related to take as far as I can see.”

    https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/10388-5-big-differences-between-naturals-and-puas/page2

    “A reasonable definition of a “natural” is somebody who gets laid with consistency without having studied PU. Those guys exist and most of them succeed due to one or more of the following: good looks, social status, social skills, grooming, balls and a basic knowledge about escalation. Also, they have usually had some reasonably alpha father or other men men of high sexual market value to model. And they have not been exposed to, or been too smart, or too chauvinistic or too stupid to internalize artificial social conditionings like Feminism, “respect” for women and social conservative white knighting. They usually managed to get laid rather early in adolescence.

    Most naturals are in my experience rather clueless about WHY they succeed and why other men dont, making them usually rather useless as mentors.

    “I’ve said that a lot of women make up their minds in the morning that they want to have sex that night, much like men do, in this current atmosphere.”

    hmmm….

    “They head out with intent and get disappointed a lot of times because guys don’t approach and can’t hold enough of a conversation.”

    Are you stupid? of course guys approach them. If the guy’s good looking or her ideal type, all he has to do is not fuck it up and he’ll score. If the guy is ugly/not her type, she’ll reject him before he gets a chance to game her. One fuckup and it’s over. Their game needs to be extremely tight just to have a chance at scoring with a high SMV girl (girl that has her choice between thousands of options)

    “and records it like he’s breaking New ground and doing something skillful and unheard of”

    Nothing ground breaking. He’s just demonstrating what he did right and why he did it. What not to do. and sharing other nuanced points. The only guys that go crazy for this shit are pickup fanbois in the comments sections with their “wooooah oh my god amazzzing”, “Legend”, “goat” lol.

  45. “It’s a function of feminized society. Like wearing tight skinny pants and shit”

    haha yeah look at these feminine skinny pants wearing virgins:

  46. @ j

    that video is a perfect example of what I was talking about. These guys are fairly femine in their actions and dress, but it’s fairly accepted now and most young people don’t know anything but this ” style “. this has been a victory for feminism because those motherfuckers play a very long game.

  47. [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0KXQ9UknPQ&w=854&h=480%5D

    Marc Anthony is not particularly handsome, he’s not overly groomed, and he doesn’t do anything ” skinny ” besides the fact that he is extremely skinny himself.

    Every concert I’ve been to of his in the past 20 years, he has a real, full band that blows the roof off the building, and chicks scream until they lose their voices.

    A few years back I went to see Pitbull, with Enrique Iglesias as the opening act. I enjoyed Enrique because he can actually sing a little, but the contrast in masculinity between him and Pitbull was blinding….to me.

    because I remember what it was like before.

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmM0653YvXU&w=854&h=480%5D

    I’m not a hater of Reggaeton at all, but some of the artists make my head hurt with their higher pitches and feminine overly groomed appearance.

  48. @blax

    Young guys dress this way (fuckboi style) and style their hair a certain way because young hot girls like it. And it’s far more aesthetically pleasing to the eyes than the baggy clothes of the 90s (I don’t wear skinny jeans FYI. Slim it due to my thunder thighs).

    When this style goes out of fashion, the next generation of young guys will dress whatever is the new style. And then the old generation will predictable shit on the new generation. That’s how it’s always has been.

  49. ” When this style goes out of fashion, the next generation of young guys will dress whatever is the new style. And then the old generation will predictable shit on the new generation. That’s how it’s always has been”

    Lol. I agree.

    I am not as masculine as my father, and he is not as masculine as his father, nor his grandfather or great grandfather.

    Each generation seems to be ” less “. It takes a long time living to actually see this in action ( hence the ‘ shitting on ” ) and by then it’s too late to do anything about it. Slowly, men become more like women in dress and action, trying to attract and please women. That’s one way to do it I guess, but it’s not biologically the best way.

  50. Interesting with Marc Anthony. He’s ugly according to several of my female family members but he was married to Jennifer Lopez while she was still in her prime. Now he’s dating some 21 year old, while 49 year old Lopez is with ARod (who notoriously dates older women…and was caught fucking escorts) who is far more handsome and masculine looking than Anthony.

  51. I call Marc Anthony ” Skeletor “. I too have heard many women say that he’s not handsome, but it doesn’t matter.

    But it’s a good study. A-Rod is a super beta chump that has zero personality ( and never has ). Even with a quarter billion bucks, his lack of masculinity still shines through.

  52. J

    I forgot, Marc was also married to a Miss Universe winner.

    Ugly, skinny motherfucker…..lmao.

  53. @j – Girl on the right your type or nah?
    https://imgur.com/a/DjhgJvy
    I approached her last night but I wasn’t remotely her type lol. (done the usual ignore then backturn thing). Living in a small town, I can find the facebook of every girl I try it on with really easily! Got a date tonight with a girl whose number I got a while back so fingers crossed

  54. @scars

    beautiful face, but it’s difficult without seeing her ass and body.

    does it look like this?

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/46/33/654633eee506b171f13dc4d2e6836421.jpg

    or more like THIS?

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BnSK4T4jfAd/?taken-by=christina_belanger

    Also, don’t like her hairstyle.

    Here’s a chick my buddy insta-dated a couple days ago with two different hairstyles:

    shit hair: https://www.instagram.com/p/BnSXQy4FO4k/?taken-by=honeyandhotstuff

    sexy hair: https://www.instagram.com/p/BVnLuocFzs8/?taken-by=honeyandhotstuff

  55. J, I ran into one of those yes girls…she was quite drunk and hit me with a shit test about being old right away, then her hands were all over me and she was telling men who surrounded her that I was her date. Later, as I was leaving and she was less drunk, she was next to me at a light and waved enthusiastically at me and shone her flashlight at me.

    A hot girl I’ve danced with before asked me to dance after midnight and didn’t expect me to know her name.

    I noticed a redhead’s hair color (it looked brown in the dark bar) and she thanked me for noticing. She’s hot.

    I chatted with a friend while dancing and we discussed men who stare all night but are too afraid to approach. “Creepy and disgusting” is what she called them. “Man up.” “Young men lack balls.” I chatted about it with another friend and she said similar things.

    This was an off night. Only three women asked me to dance. All fairly hot 30-somethings. I had fun anyway, telling jokes that people didn’t get because they were too drunk. lol

  56. @theasdgamer

    “we discussed men who stare all night but are too afraid to approach”.

    There was actually an interesting discussion on NextASF a couple days ago, of actually NOT approaching girls and just kind of standing next to them while ignoring them….looking aloof and unimpressed…which is what hot girls tend to do in clubs:

    https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/night-game/329009-the-strategy-of-purposely-ignoring-girls-in-nightclubs?p=329055#post329055

    Whenever I’ve been in the same venue as a famous pickup artist, this is actually what I see them doing. It’s their bootcamp students, the ones who are actually going around mass approaching girls lol.

    It’s not my preferred strategy, but it’s worked for me in the past. I’ve had DTF girls (6-7s) approach me while I’m leaning back against the bar saying, “hi”, “I like your shirt”, “my friend thinks your cute”, etc., and I respond by acting aloof and make them qualify themselves to me.

  57. “actually NOT approaching girls and just kind of standing next to them while ignoring them….”

    See my posts on “forced opens”

  58. Men ” hit the wall” @50 doe.😁

    There are lots of guys that don’t take care of themselves regardless of age. I see 20 somethings that look like warmed over shit sometimes. I also see plenty of older guys holding up just fine.

    Watching young cats trying to figure it out is entertaining. Steroid talk and all that. Work out even semi regularly for 40 years and don’t eat shit good and see how you can look in your 50’s-60’s and even 70’s. It’s not hard nor is it magic nor does it cost money.

    You just have to love yourself.

    That’s pretty much it.

    Guys don’t love themselves correctly anymore. Narcissism doesn’t come close to counting.

  59. Scars
    I approached her last night but I wasn’t remotely her type lol.

    You were Not In Her League, eh?

    Buffering. It’s not useful.

  60. @j

    “Lookism.net” is “The Forefront of the Coping movement“.

    What is the “coping movement”? Words matter. “Coping” is a passive, rather feminine word.

    Should men be coping, or should they be doing something else?

    @Blaximus
    I know some middle aged fat men. They started out as young fat men. Wonder what they’ll be 20 years from now?

  61. @Anon
    ”You were Not In Her League, eh?”
    Unfortunately not lol. She’s into handsome dudes! Very much my type, though.

  62. That’s not a league, that’s a preference. Most women think they have solid unwavering preferences until someone shows them that they don’t really. The overriding preference is for masculinity.

    If you can’t challenge them…

    That ” back turning ” thing is harsh though. You get to choose whether to try and smash that ( sometimes not worth it because she’s telegraphing that she’s a hitch for whatever reason ) or to just keep it moving..

    No harm, no foul, no loss.

  63. That ” back turning ” thing is harsh though. You get to choose whether to try and smash that ( sometimes not worth it because she’s telegraphing that she’s a hitch for whatever reason ) or to just keep it moving..

    …a teasing backturn isn’t harsh…and who’s to say that women don’t like a little harshness in a man?…on Stargate SG1, Amanda was saying goodbye to the geeky scientist and hugged him and he noticed that she liked him…and she responded that she actually was more attracted to him when she didn’t like him….a Red Pill nugget in a sitcom….

  64. Yeah but these guys are on the clock. They’re trying to condense and compress interactions to score a lay.

    More generally though, the back turn isn’t a huge deal, if you are trying to meet and get to know chicks. But under time constraints it might be a different story depending on social skills level ( …. Damn, now I’m thinking like ‘ them ‘ ).

    You can.hang bang a chick that night, but you can also bang half the town or more over the long haul.

  65. scars

    @Anon
    ”You were Not In Her League, eh?”
    Unfortunately not lol.

    Whoosh!

    There’s part of your problem.

    She’s into handsome dudes!

    She’s “into” pinging for Alpha.

    Paging Having A Bad Day. Paging HABD. Helpling call…

    Very much my type, though.

    Well, then…what?

  66. Very much my type, though.

    Well, then…what?

    Very much up on a pedestal then, you place her. Good luck with that.

    Not that you can get everything you want.

    You can’t always get what you want…
    But if you try sometimes you just might find…
    You just might find….
    You get what you need, oh yeah….–Rolling Stones

    Don’t you know how thirst works in someone with a fever? It is nothing like the thirst of a man in good health. He drinks and is no longer thirsty. The sick man is happy only for a moment, then is nauseous; he converts the drink into bile, he vomits, his stomach hurts, and then he is thirstier still. It is just like this to crave riches and have riches, to crave power and have power, to crave a beautiful woman and sleep with her.

    Epictetus, Discourses 4.9.4–5

    Which is not to say, don’t be ambitious. And certainly don’t settle for less than the best you can get.

  67. Couple of solid posts by @realrob (lookism’s top slayer) confirming my post-lay texting advice I discussed a couple OPs ago (https://therationalmale.com/2018/09/26/body-language/#comment-263108):

    https://lookism.net/Thread-Interesting-statistics-from-my-lays-these-14-months
    https://lookism.net/Thread-How-much-depression-in-males-due-to-females-breaking-their-heart-do-u-think-exist?pid=3645542#pid3645542

    some quotes from the threads:

    “Rule: After sex, do not, ever, under and circumstances, be the one initiating contact after u have fucked her.

    I never put in work after the initial meet up, never. If we exchange number, I NEVER text first, I let them do it, and when they do, I know for 100% they are interested and after that they are super easy to get out.

    Dont pursue, attract.

    Look at it like this: You already have shit to do, other girls to fuck, activities to pursue, Its HER job to get you interested enough in her so you take her out/invite her over.

    The moment you start pursuing her, thats the moment the power dynamics change and she will start playing hard to get.

    Looks only get u to stage 1, from there, its all about the frame of the interaction. The very moment she knows she got you 100%, her attraction levels for you will fall to the ground, no matter how good looking or cool you are.”

    […]

    “It’s crazy how that works…My conclusion is you have to be GENUINELY uninterested or at least sell it really well…And then she’ll cling on more…

    Because when I became super interested in one of my other girls…She was the one who started to pull away..

    It’s fucked up how that works. The one I wanted…She ended up not wanting me back…The one I didn’t like as a person..Became closer attached to me..”

  68. Wild Night Is Calling
    Van Morrison

    As you brush your shoes, stand before the mirror
    And you comb your hair, grab your coat and hat
    And you walk the streets trying to remember
    All the wild nights breezes in your memory ever
    And every thing looks so complete
    When you’re walking out on the streets
    And the wind, it catches your feet
    Sets you flying, crying
    Ooh wee, a wild night, is calling, alright
    Ooh wee, wild night, is calling
    All the girls walk by, dressed up for each other
    And the boys, do the boogie woogie
    On the corner of the street
    And the people passing by, stare in wild wonder
    And inside the jukebox roars just like thunder
    And every thing looks so complete
    When you’re walking out on the streets
    And the wind, it catches your feet
    Sets you flying, crying
    Ooh ooh ooh wee, wild night, is calling, alright
    Ooh ooh ooh wee, wild night, is calling, alright
    Wild night, is calling
    The wild night is calling
    C’mon out and dance, c’mon out and make romance
    C’mon out and dance, c’mon out make romance
    Wild night, is calling
    The wild night is calling
    C’mon out and dance, c’mon out and make romance
    C’mon out and dance, c’mon out make romance

    Ok.

    Let’s just say that yesterday was “fucking” Sweetest Day. And let’s just just say that I had no idea that it was, except when my wife mentioned it at dinner at a son’s, buddies parent’s Korean restaurant with the most excellent food. It was sweetest. Shrimp tempura, fried squid, Kalbi beef and a million accompanying sides with low carbs. Sweetest.Ever.

    The Strange_Testes, most-sweetest-thing was that I fucked my wife four times that day. And she overtly voiced that she liked the new me. How the fuck did that happen? Sweetest Day. Go Figure. I vaguely having her voice something like: “do you have another girl one” while we were going at it. Go figure. Let her emotions run wild…. I kinda decided to get my weekly quota in in one day.

    Just a Random Red Pill walk in the Park. Geez, release from constraint. I love the smell of release from constraint in the morning or late at night….

    Smells like victory. And it benefits her. Most justifiably.

    https://youtu.be/k26hmRbDQFw

    There is a thing going on here in the Red Pill Community. Pay it forward.

    We do. It works.

    Jesus. It works.

    Praxelology.

    https://youtu.be/xNRBajLM8_4

    AND so it goes.

  69. @scars

    @j – Girl on the right your type or nah?
    https://imgur.com/a/DjhgJvy
    I approached her last night but I wasn’t remotely her type lol. (done the usual ignore then backturn thing). Living in a small town, I can find the facebook of every girl I try it on with really easily!

    do you ever actually SEE what’s right in front of you?…lol…

    that^^^ girl is REALLY insecure…lol… (and i’m assuming the ‘butterflies’ were photoshopped in…lol… otherwise, even MORE insecure…lol… think about how long it takes her to get ready…)

    did YOU even notice the 2 zits on her chin that she troweled on the makeup to try to hide?… or that big zit on her left cheek?… also looks like she’s got a rash on her right cheek…lol… but that could just be the lighting…lol… although always wearing heavy makeup like she has on really messes with girls’ skin…

    how did you approach her?… like this?

    https://media.giphy.com/media/mkiWxPS0VznG0/giphy.gif

    that^^^ is not an attractive look tbh…lol…

    if your subcomms were anywhere even close to that^^^ she would be able to tell… and given your focus on ‘leagues’ i’m betting they were…

    girls try to tell you shit that’s NOT true all the time…lol… THAT includes with her body language too…like a ‘back turn’…lol… as well as her makeup/hair/clothing choices…

    but YOU have to be able to. see through that sh*t and LEAD the interaction…

    see that ‘perfect little curl’ on her face?…as well as the other 2 curls?… how much effort does that take her to get it ‘just right’?… see how they’re ‘curled’?… how did she get that into THAT little chunk of hair?… WHY did she make THOSE hair choices?… (hint – the 2 curls on her right side are likely to draw your eye away from that huge zit on her left cheek…lol… unless the rash on her right cheek is worse…lol)

    did you notice her ‘lazy eye’?… it’s just barely noticeable in the photo… was it worse in person?…

    she does have a nice smile though…lol… her choice of lipstick (you DID notice THAT artificial enhancement, right?…lol) is pretty good – it looks ‘natural’…lol… like she’s a ‘natural beauty’, right?…lol

    the next time you go to approach a girl, try to find 3 things that you would/could change to make her ‘better’…

    Got a date tonight with a girl whose number I got a while back so fingers crossed

    whose frame is this in?… (hint – NOT your’s…lol)

    good luck!

    @j

    couple quick points…

    some quotes from the threads:

    “Rule: After sex, do not, ever, under and circumstances, be the one initiating contact after u have fucked her.

    I never put in work after the initial meet up, never. If we exchange number, I NEVER text first, I let them do it, and when they do, I know for 100% they are interested and after that they are super easy to get out.

    Dont pursue, attract.

    Look at it like this: You already have shit to do, other girls to fuck, activities to pursue, Its HER job to get you interested enough in her so you take her out/invite her over.

    this is using a structural ‘rule’ to ‘cope’ with a lack of understanding…. the actual texting first isn’t what turns her off, it’s the content of that text…

    here’s an extreme example…

    you text first: hey bitch!… don’t ever f*king contact me again!…

    lol… (i was going to use that^^^ as the example of blowing her off, which should result in her NOT contacting you again (even though you texted first…)… but now that i typed it out, that^^^ might actually work better than:

    you text first: Hi Honey! [emoticon heart!] I had a really great time just talking to you!!! I can’t wait to see how our new relationship will progress towards our having babies!…

    lol… it’s not who texts ‘first’, it’s the frame of the text… even if you text that second example AFTER she texts first, i’m betting she ghosts you ASAP…lol

    but ‘never texting first’ will tend to work better than texting first when you don’t understand the dynamics in play… but you will also tend to lose girls that you could have converted on… especially if she is a popular girl (high HB#, yo!…lol), with the ‘new/shiny’ being thrown at her all the time…lol…

    The moment you start pursuing her, thats the moment the power dynamics change and she will start playing hard to get.

    you know ‘playing hard to get’ is a shit test, right?…lol

    Looks only get u to stage 1, from there, its all about the frame of the interaction. The very moment she knows she got you 100%, you turn into a beta stooge her attraction levels for you will fall to the ground, no matter how good looking or cool you are.”

    fify…lol

    […]

    “It’s crazy how that works…My conclusion is you have to be GENUINELY uninterested or at least sell it really well…And then she’ll cling on more…

    orrrr, you could have a solid frame, which is actually what she WANTS…lol…

    Because when I became super interested in beta ‘needy’ to one of my other girls…She was the one who started to pull away..

    fify… again… i can smell beta through the computer screen…lol…

    It’s fucked up how that works. The one I wanted…She ended up not wanting me back…The one I didn’t like as a person..Became closer attached to me..”

    = structural misunderstanding… you should send those guys over to TRM, so they can actually learn this sh*t…lol… all the knowledge is right up top on the links on the masthead…

    good luck!

  70. @habd

    I know she’s not your type, but I thought she was hot, personally. (Lots of the guys ’10’s’ on rooshvforum are my 6’s and I guess it goes both ways lol).
    But yeah, she’s not amazing. I just posted it because it’s funny how i can easily find the pics of most girls that i approach due to living in a small town.

    I approached her with good sub coms and stuff but lots of young girls are just as superficial as us guys tbh. Was an opinion opener, and then a a tease when she basically said she wasn’t interested, and then she just bolted lol. What Mark Manson would call a ‘no girl’

    ”Got a date tonight”

    ”good luck!”

    Thanks! It went well. She landed back from Czech in the evening so I just went straight to her place instead of going for drinks with her, so it worked out nice!

  71. @HABD

    Thank you for your comment allowing me to clarify a bit more. On what exactly I do with regards to texting girls after fucking them.

    @newly feel free to archive this, post-lay texting shit.

    “even if you text that second example AFTER she texts first, i’m betting she ghosts you ASAP…”

    “you will also tend to lose girls that you could have converted on… especially if she is a popular girl (high HB#, yo!…lol)”

    I thought that was obvious. I don’t (and I’m pretty sure @realrob doesn’t) send girls anything remotely close to your second example. That’s advice for AFC noobs.

    “you will also tend to lose girls that you could have converted on… especially if she is a popular girl (high HB#, yo!…lol)”

    If you looked at the link in the body language thread, where I explained my post lay texting advice, and response I made to @Stoic Trader a few comments above, what I’m essentially doing is a variation of @ijjji’s Hall of fame post, “100% Method for Meeting up with Girls”.

    https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/hall-of-fame/11662-100-method-for-meeting-up-with-girls

    “Effortless way:
    -Avoid communicating entirely, until next friday/saturday night. [So basically don’t initiate contact after sex, which is @realrob’s rule]
    -Then text something like “Hi Im at bar X! You?” [I personally don’t text this. As I pretty much always just meet girls at their place with a plausible deniability excuse, instead of meeting them out in public]

    So this “effortless way” is if she doesn’t initiate texts within a couple days which I stated in the link, translates to you sucked in bed. Most girls I number close following a lay (that’s also key. Number close AFTER fucking a girl not before. Because doing so beforehand makes her feel like you already intend on seeing her again the lay regardless of her performance in bed. So me asking for her number after fucking her is essentially her reward for doing a solid job) do initiate contact first within a couple of hours or the following day. It’s either a comment about the night itself or something silly about our interaction. To which I normally respond with a “;)” that’s it. Then I follow ijjis “fast way”:

    Fast way:
    -Converse (text or phone-call) with girl WITHOUT hinting for a meet. Just flirt! No asking about what she doing or what her plans are. -The moment SHE HINTS for a meet, suggest meeting up ‘right now

    Here I just joke around (call back humor/funny meme I just saw on twitter) then but I won’t mention meeting up again until after they hint at a meet. That would be a comment such as “when am I going to see you again” “what are you doing tonight”

    So it’s a combo of not initiating contact first AND not hinting for a meet that gets me repeat business.

    “The moment you start pursuing her, thats the moment the power dynamics change and she will start playing hard to get.
    you know ‘playing hard to get’ is a shit test, right?…lol”

    “The very moment she knows she got you 100%, you turn into a beta stooge her attraction levels for you will fall to the ground”

    “The Cardinal Rule of Relationships In any relationship, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.” – Rollo Tomassi.

    So after fucking girls, that all important second time which helps solidify the Fuckbuddy status, this is pretty much how I go about my relationship with my FBs thereafter (the following is comment I saved a while back from the r/TheRedPill subreddit):

    “When my best results come from treating them like replaceable, temporary sources of amusement I see the reality that chasing after, investing and having one-itis for a woman is truly the saddest, most pathetic and depressing state a man can ever be in. I have 2 plates i don’t contact. I literally do not contact them, they call me every 2-3 weeks and we meet up. I essentially forget about them. I give them NOTHING, just turn up to their houses, bring wine, am always in a fun and carefree mood and I allow them to forget about their shitty lives while being with me for the evening. I feel like a fucking escort. I fuck them then leave in the morning. Recently one of them was showing me her facebook message inbox which was the saddest thing i’ve seen in a long time. Message after message of thirsty, pathetic betas complimenting and asking her out. One guy hadn’t even received a response from her AT ALL and was STILL sending messages every 2 or 3 days for months. Of course she replied to none of them. She showed me after we fucked and were lying in bed naked and we had a good laugh.

    Women would rather be with a guy who gives zero commitment, zero material or financial support, zero security, but who can make them laugh, make them feel sexy and desirable while fucking their brains out and who basically shows them they ultimately are just another replaceable pussy and that their pussy has no bearing on me or my life in any way. They need to feel like I have the balls and ability to vanish off the face of the planet with no notice and never contact them again if I felt like it. Never chase, ever. That cute little artsy brunette in one of my classes? The one you are sure is not like all the rest? You can put in months of groundwork, helping her with work, talking on the phone and pursuing her. She will still gush over Chad who winks at her at a party. She will suck his cock in minutes and won’t think about you for a second while she does it. He’ll contact her randomly when he’s horny, once a week maybe, while you talk for hours on FB”

  72. @scars

    @habd

    I know she’s not your type,

    who said THAT!?…not me!…lol…

    but I thought she was hot, personally. (Lots of the guys ’10’s’ on rooshvforum are my 6’s and I guess it goes both ways lol).

    i thought she was really cute…lol…my point was that YOU need to actually SEE what is right in front of you…lol… in spite of the FI propaganda to the contrary, girls are not some mystical creatures…lol… and none of my pointing out her flaws was denigrating her ‘hotness’…lol… just trying to give YOU some perspective…lol

    But yeah, she’s not amazing.

    don’t run down your future FB…lol… but not kidding… (unless it’s to gain some ‘in game’ tactical advantage…lol…but generally you don’t even need to do THAT, you just have to assert your ‘frame’…)

    I just posted it because it’s funny how i can easily find the pics of most girls that i approach due to living in a small town.

    I approached her with good sub coms and stuff but lots of young girls are just as superficial as us guys tbh. Was an opinion opener, and then a a tease when she basically said she wasn’t interested, and then she just bolted lol. What Mark Manson would call a ‘no girl’

    did you bust her on her ‘presumption’ (of you ‘chasing her’?…)…lol… that’s the play in that situ (as opposed to a ‘tease’… which is you tacitly agreeing that you ARE chasing her…lol … and this situ WILL happen again, so to learn to recognize it and have some responses in your pocket ready to go…

    sooo, you live in a small town…hmmm… that means that you will probably run into her again, right?… OR you have friends in common (3 degrees of separation, right?)…

    sooo, Blaximus’ ‘over time, you can bang half the town…’ rule is in play, right?…

    here’s a tip… it’s possible/probable that she might have liked you and didn’t know how to deal with it…lol… girls today can actually be socially retarded… what with their phones and all…lol

    sooo, find a thread and work out your path to daylight…

    ”Got a date tonight”

    ”good luck!”

    Thanks! It went well. She landed back from Czech in the evening so I just went straight to her place instead of going for drinks with her, so it worked out nice!

    props!… now figure out your path to daylight for ‘zit girl’…lol

    good luck!

  73. @j

    So it’s a combo of not initiating contact first AND not hinting for a meet that gets me repeat business.

    sooo, you’re saying that not hinting around at meeting her (not chasing/your frame) when you text her AND invoking leprechauns are effective at getting repeat bidness?… got it!…lol

    good luck!

  74. @Blax drops another jewel.

    “Most women think they have solid unwavering preferences until someone shows them that they don’t really. ”

    I hope y’all are taking notes even though the discussion seems to go to the typical places

  75. It’s kinda typical for young girls to basically blank you if they don’t think you’re hot. You can try negging her or whatever, but they’ll tend to just walk away. I saw an article on the Guardian online talking about ‘how to beat a PUA’ or something, and it basically tells girls to just turn their back/walk away if some guy who they aren’t into approaches them. I think they’ve all read the article! lol

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