The Lesson of Hugo

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Up until just today, other than a few tweets over the last two weeks, the heavy hitters of the manosphere seemed content to simply let Hugo Schwyzer self-immolate. Who can blame them, right? Vox had a quick hit just detailing the revelations of Hugo’s reputation / legitimacy death spiral. Advocatus Diaboli then did the manosphere the favor of highlighting Hugo’s post, post internet exit and twitter meltdown (which may still be ongoing, I’m not sure).

Needless to say Hugo endeared a lot of manosphere spite, but now, in light of all his self-righteous self-destruction and subsequent admissions of complete guilt and culpability in his career spanning, psuedo-feminist scam, we can finally dissect the corpse of Hugo’s grand production. Hugo was almost too easy a foil, too easy a mark for the manosphere. I forget who I read drop this quote, but Game recognizes Game, and for all of Hugo’s purported investment in feminist flag waving, a lot of guys in the ‘sphere saw his Game for what it was.

I’ll have to admit, when I first read the Real Porn Wiki Leaks of Hugo’s professional death throes I was ready to pile on. I need to thank Nick Krauser for talking me off the edge and killing a post I briefly published, ready to join the Hugo scrum, but as he commented, it was ‘off brand’ for me. That’s the temptation of going off half-cocked, most times there’s usually something deeper in the story than just the salacious parts. Sometimes a story needs to mature before you can grasp the significance of it, and Hugo didn’t disappoint.

There’s a lot of angles to Hugo’s destruction. In one sense he actually shared many of the experiences and frustration most men find their way to the manosphere to resolve. He was a Beta, but he was a Beta dedicated to the blue-pill – in fact he was so ego-invested  he built his entire life around the feminine Matrix to the point that his career and livelihood depended upon it. However Hugo wasn’t one of the blue-pill careerists like the Dr. Phills and Dr. Drews, he sold himself as the next stage in feminized man’s evolution – Hugo was the feminized man.

At least this was the pathology he’d convinced himself of.

Pathology

If you’ve ever known a pathological liar, the primary characteristic of their psyche is an ability to convince themselves of the veracity of their own lies. “Repeat a lie enough and it becomes true”,  Joseph Goebbels was inferring this in a social sense, but it’s also true on a personal, psychological level. Repeat the fantasy, replay the mental imaginings, review the desired, conditioned ,belief often enough, and the lie becomes the truth for you. This is the essence of pathology. The pathological personality literally creates its own reality and expects others (or coerces others) to fill the roles he defines for them to fit his narrative. Sometimes this isn’t such a bad thing; think of Steve Jobs defining his own reality, but more often it means the absolute destruction of that person’s identity when actual reality crushes their imagined reality.

Hugo repeated a lie often enough for himself to believe it, a handful of minor league academics to believe it, and broad swathes of the femosphere to believe it. Of course there’ll be the element that will say they knew it all along and he was always a charlatan, but Hugo’s reach into the mainstream, repeating his lie, was a message they could at least tolerate for their cause if not endorse wholesale. Thus, Hugo got a pass – he became the male representative of fem-culture and the happily willing tool of the feminine imperative.

I did promote others but I secretly wanted to be THE male feminist. 12:41 PM – 9 Aug 13 @hugoschwyzer

There’ll be no mercy for Hugo on this or any other manosphere blog. If there’s any consolation for Hugo it’s in his slitting his own net-persona’s throat and thus denying those in the manosphere the satisfaction of roasting him themselves. Even in his self-loathing twitter posts he still expects attention (like a woman) and consoling like a Beta child clutching at the femosphere’s apron strings.

The End Result

However, after all his singular sense of feminized purpose, Hugo got exactly what he wanted; he became, and in his personal destruction still is, the male feminist. He became the male representative of the gynosphere, the go-to guy, the man you sought out if you wanted to better identify with the feminine purpose. Hugo became, and is, the model of the man the feminine imperative would ultimately have any man become – a man so thoroughly invested in the likeness it created for him that it would grant him exclusive access to its most powerful media voice (Jezebel, BlogHer, Xojane, The Atlantic). It’s their game, and Hugo was the only man the feminine imperative was comfortable in legitimizing; he was one of the select few men to be allowed to be take seriously.

Whenever you see one of these pathetic parodies of a man self-identifying as a ‘male feminist’ and holding some hand-scribbled placard with the words, “I need feminism because,…” understand that Hugo Schwyzer is the man the feminine imperative would ultimately have them become. The man at the end of that process, after 47 years of identifying with the feminine, after an utterly destroyed career based on obsessively denigrating his own gender, the end result is what Hugo is today.

For every guy who’s convinced himself of ‘correctness’  of gender equalism, much less feminine-primacy, understand that Hugo’s example is the logical extreme of repressing your gender-purpose in favor of the feminine. For every blue-pill guy on the cusp of taking the red pill and accepting the harsh truths it demands in dispelling your blissful ignorance, understand that if you don’t, the face you’ll see in the future’s mirror will be Hugo’s.

I don’t have any sympathy for Hugo, nor do I have any pity for him. He’s only a year older than myself, so I imagine that he and I share a similar cultural upbringing and life experience. Obviously we differ in experience when it comes to waking up to the Matrix, but here’s a man who, not unlike myself, also had his run-ins with a BPD woman (if not more than one). Hugo, like most men, wanted to get laid, maybe worse than most men, so he built up a Game around identifying with them, only he took this identification to such an extreme that he became a woman, he embodied their expectations, but still retained the liabilities of being a man. Hugo is a living paradox and his destruction viscerally illustrates that even feminists won’t tolerate a perfected feminized man. They don’t want what they want.

For all of Hugo’s blue-pill, male feminism, he was still a man and prone to the desires men innately have.

How many blue-pill men have sought out the manosphere because their similar delusions simply never bore fruit with women, or they were burned by them? At some point Hugo was not all that unlike most guys seeking answers in the manosphere, but at some point he made his decision to remain firmly implanted in his blue-pill existence and cope with his maleness the best way he knew how – an extreme, life investment in what would become the identity crisis he’s experiencing today. Hugo is what is waiting for any man who thinks they can become a better fe-male – they become Gollum, corrupted parodies of their original form, but still accountable to their real nature.

88 comments

  1. Well Hugo had facial hair and everything, so was he REALLY a male feminist? 🙂

    But I do find it amazing to observe the depths to which the world today can influence him (or any man like him) to suppress his most basic physical trait and BECOME what he actually desires. Nature’s got some corrections to do!

  2. The ultimate irony would be if he does a complete reversal and aims to become THE male MRA/PUA/manospherian.

    Sort of like the reformed sinner-cum-preacher trope.

  3. That’s a humorous possibility but it’s safe to say Hugo’s persona non grata in these parts, forever.

  4. “Sort of like the reformed sinner-cum-preacher trope.”

    Hugo Schwyzer as Elmer Gantry? That seems a good analogue to Hugo. I highly recommend the book and the movie with Burt Lancaster. Perhaps a viewing of ‘Nightmare Alley’ with Tyrone Power as a conman in a traveling carnival would make more sense of Hugo Schwyzer.

    I wonder if all of these mental breakdowns by Hugo are one part attention seeking, one part sub-conscious cry for help as they seemed a deliberate act to self-sabotage his life. Perhaps the male ‘psyche’, (or what passes for a conscious) of Hugo just couldn’t stand the creepy totalitarian ideologies eg Feminism, he was promoting via Jezebel, the Atlantic, etc. and undermined the lies he was living.

    Sadly, Hugo will be back in one incarnation or another of that I’m sure. He’s like a cockroach that just won’t die, just with a PhD(in Scottish Medieval History no less) and a nicely paid teaching gig.

    I stated this on another blog, but my bet is that some Hollywood deviant scriptwriters are inspired by Hugo’s narcissism, feminism, sex-positive escapades, and self-sabotaging foibles to come up with some tv series based upon Hugo’s life-A bit like Breaking Bad/Queer as Folk meets ‘Who’s Afraid of Virgina Woolf’.

  5. They all believed him, they were deceived. Since the beginning of written communication, men have informed us about women being easily deceived. I find this an epic chain of truth. Even during her historic ascendance to power, Eve remains in her curse (the same as she ever was) deceived.

  6. Think that story is about woman choosing evil, and man foolishly following her. Could Adam betray Eve by pretending to bite the apple? Feminists can’t be deceived, since they play the dirtiest.

  7. Much better response than Roissy’s petty little touchdown dance, which demonstrated how similar Roissy and Schwyzer are — more than it showed the “victor” to be superior, like he thought he was doing.

    Though it would be illustrative to see your initial, twerpy reaction, which you wisely pulled. Krauser is a good egg. He is calibrated while the rest of you get emotionally involved in the theatrics of a cause more than its substance, like drama queens.

    Are you starting to realize that it is your job to manage and direct the instant frenzies rather than contribute to them? Riots generate spontaneously without your help. Any two-bit demagogue can join the hissing urchins and stir up their temporary passions.

    Leaders, on the other hand, play the easily-manipulated masses like a symphony conductor. They give Mark Antony funeral orations, they don’t join in the commentary snark fests beneath them.

    That is “the lesson of Hugo.”

    The rest of your analysis is off. “I don’t have any sympathy for Hugo, nor do I have any pity for him.” Put aside your emotional reaction and think pragmatically: pity reduces his former ways further; rage/celebration only demonstrates how much of a hold he had over you. Sympathy is practical, showing a former enemy (and all current enemies) that there is nothing personal about your opposition, and that anyone who renounces his foolish ways — especially as mental illnesses! — is a prodigal son welcome to enter immediately into your good graces.

    At any rate, your faulty analysis is beside today’s point. The tone alone redeems you.

    Matt

  8. Hugo is what is waiting for any man who thinks they can become a better fe-male – they become Gollum, corrupted parodies of their original form, but still accountable to their real nature.

    Brilliantly put.

  9. “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.” ~Richard Feynman

  10. “For every blue-pill guy on the cusp of taking the red pill and accepting the harsh truths it demands in dispelling your blissful ignorance”

    First of all, since I don’t read any of the tripe on those other sites, I have (or had) no idea that Hugo Schwyzer even existed – so any commentary I might have about his situation is moot.

    But the sentence that resonated with me was the one quoted above. I’ve read a few articles on the subject (here and on other sites) of how, even when the truth is provided and is believed with the logical part of our brains, there is in many instances a mental “push back” or “revolt”. We witness it whenever anyone says “yea but, it’s so unfair that…”. I almost liken it to the statement by people of faith when they say, “I’m a non-practicing Christian/Jew/[add your favorite here]”.

    There may be recognition and awareness and even a desire to embrace, but for whatever reason, the person just can’t make the final few steps. It’s the addict that wants to stop, but just can’t; the obese person that knows the facts, but won’t stop sitting around, watching TV and eating ice cream; the man that believes this time, she’ll be different than all the others.

    Harsh truths…those things that are evidenced but dismissed because “I’m different, the rules don’t apply to me”. Blissful ignorance…the personal state of mind that filters those harsh truths and shuttles them directly to the mind’s waste bin. My personal journey has in many ways been the acceptance of those harsh truths, the ones filtered by my previous blissful ignorance. Seeing, experiencing, and living a life within this world “as it really is” and attempting to successfully navigate through it.

    //side note…
    I believe this is why I personally have a problem with many of the “manosphere” openly (operative word) inviting and encouraging woman to participate in our discussions. I’m not opposed to debate or discussion, it’s just that I’m more interested in what other Men are experiencing, their views, not the views of a woman (either BP or RP, doesn’t matter). I want to experience the brotherhood and bond with other Men.

    This article was about the “feminization” of a man – but to a certain extent, there is starting to be a feminization of the manosphere – or certain elements/voices within it. This is not a bitch about someone wanting to make make money, I applaud that and believe if you have a profit motive, you will need to embrace woman as consumers – because they are much easier in releasing dollars from the pocketbooks than Men are from their wallets – but I have noticed that when women’s opinions and views are encouraged (or openly requested) the discussion devolves, the attitude changes, the tone is subversed.

    I know there will continue to be places to congregate, I’m just tired of having to move to another one because some guy decided to invite his girlfriend to the private meeting in the treehouse, because “she’s different”.

  11. This whole affair (and some of the commentary) reminds me of Steve Taylor’s song, Smug, particularly the line about being “politically Koreshed.” Seems about right. He’s toast.

  12. Hugo has become the Great Healer and Uniter; both feminists and MRAs alike despise him in equal measure. What fun!

  13. After all the write-ups on alpha vs. beta, I’m still not comfortable with how we talk about this in the manosphere as if it’s all or nothing. To simply say “[Hugo] was a Beta” oversimplifies things. He clearly had some sort of “Game” as you noted (and I think more than typical beta game). He had status and authority as a prof, which enabled him to bang students. He had his schtick which made him a semi-celebrity with fem-types. He was kind of the best at what he did (though that’s not saying much). He was an inveterate liar, a narcissistic, border-line sociopath. He was famous for cheating, and I imagine he got some fairly attractive girls (and guys?) interested in short term trysts. These are all kind of alpha traits or at least could be contextual/situational alpha. He had all kinds of beta creds as well, but I’d be unwilling to simply write him off as a beta and leave it as that. He is a complex and ultimately very screwed up guy. We can all appreciate his downfall.

  14. None of us should get too cocky over the self-immolation of Hugo. Just look at his picture, then look at the picture of all the male writers over at Salon. There will be a new Hugo to take his place soon.

    The fact that his punishment is teaching post-secondary Western Civ to young students doesn’t seem like a victory to me.

  15. Personally, I don’t appreciate any Man’s downfall, regardless of his “status” on the Greek alphabet scale. A great truth my Dad told me in my teenage years was “it’s easier to pull a Man down than it is to pull him up” – and I would say, it’s also very easy to kick someone once their down, than to just reach down and offer him the assistance to stand back up.

    We all have something, somewhere in our make-up that is our Achilles’s heel or “feet of clay” – as I told my son yesterday, we are all about two fuckups away from being at the bottom of the pile.

  16. Rollo,

    Before reading your blog, I had no idea what “Ego investment” was or why it was important or applicable to me. Thanks.

    What I am in pursuit of, and maybe we all are, is The Truth. For me personally, I seek the truth of the best way to live as a man in relation to woman, so I can live out that truth and just be happy with my life as I progress into marriage eventually (yes, marriage) and create a family and legacy.

    Hugo’s recent breakdown has shown that, at his core, his blue-pill world view conflicts with his biological reality. He instinctively was fond of the very things which internet feminists demonize, and which the manosphere lauds as masculine: hooking up with younger women, sexting, etc.

    Just pile Hugo’s story on to the list of examples of how the “red pill” is a Truer way to live. The manosphere is an exploration of the natures of men and women and how they can best relate, live, and be happy together. Unlike anything you see in the major media outlets today.

  17. “as I told my son yesterday, we are all about two fuckups away from being at the bottom of the pile.”

    I thank God for people like you: while you’re teaching your kids how close to failure they always are, I’m teaching my kids that they’re unstoppable winners.

    I predict absolutely zero competition from Team Fuck-Up Avoidance, USA. Much obliged.

  18. @ Micheal – you’re welcome.

    I want my son to live life on the edge, challenging himself, taking the fear out of failure – to embrace his human nature, not fear it. With big risks, come the possibility of big rewards (or big failures). I love watching things like the X Games – because those athletes are pushing the edge, and yes, they probably closer than 2 steps away from in many cases, death.

    Knowing your limitations, know the limitations of those around you – who and what you can truly depend on – those are the things I’m teaching my son. I’m not telling him to embrace failure – I’m telling him not to be afraid of it. The fear is limitation, not the potential outcome.

    And I’m glad you are teaching your kids about being unstoppable – there are many doors and windows that provide access to the Castle Success – don’t be so quick to believe there is only one.

    Hope you have a great day!! I cheer for all men that are involved and teaching their children – it’s our roles as fathers to provide them with both an example and lessons for the to succeed.

  19. I’m still having trouble trying to figure out whyfor all the hate when a visible mangina takes the final plunge and commits seppuku. I can only tentatively conclude that it is a form of public schadenfreude with accompanying backslapping.

    I suppose that it’s taken the heat off Mark Minter and Geisha Kate for the moment.

  20. No one can show me that Hugo is in jeopardy of

    1. losing his paycheck
    2. losing (paid) speaking engagements that he was otherwise gonna
    have (Jaclyn Friedman & Amanda Marcotte don’t share THOSE with
    guys)
    3. losing his reserved parking spot anywhere

    A guy who’s a Professor of “social science” at Pasadena Community College never really does have his feet held to the fire, job-performance-wise; in fact, all publicity is good publicity

  21. I’ve been surfing in and out of the Mano and Femo-spheres for a while and haven’t seen much by or about Hugo. Although I do recall an article I may have half read by him on Good Men Project.

    I do recall some Femosphere sites taking umbrege with him writing about “womens issues” when he attempted to murder a woman some years ago.

    I don’t think Manosphere found about that until recently. Hugo himself about the whole thing just last week or so on his blog. His story is one of several years mental illness, multiple suicide attempts, checking in and out of Psych Wards, and that one admitted murder attempt.

    Pretty clear he’s an unhinged guy and needs long term professional help which he is supposed to be getting (yet again).

    Some in the Femosphere however say he’s acting.

    Who knows?

    A curious thing though is that I went to his site and he has several videos up there. One is him on the Ricki Lake show talking about the circumcision he chose to get at the age of 36. He had developed some sort of physical or medical issue that I guess could only be remedied though a circumcision. I forget the details.

    However watch and listen to this video about circumcision.

    I have to say that what the narrator says about cut vs natural penises with regards to the quality of sexual intercourse for the female is absolutely true!

    I will never enter into an intimate relationship with a cut male.

    TRIGGER WARNING: the very first part is very disturbing as it contains graphic male infant torture.

  22. Good post. Compassion is strength.

    Mark Minter, Hugo, are all self-dramatizing sideshows: they took extreme positions to get attention.

    The rest of us, Rollo included, are just living in the world, getting things done and walking the middle path.

  23. “A guy who’s a Professor of “social science” at Pasadena Community College never really does have his feet held to the fire, job-performance-wise; in fact, all publicity is good publicity”

    Tell me about it! He’s teaching something called “Western Civ”.

    Reporter to Gandhi: What do you think of Western Civilization?

    Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.

  24. “I forget who I read drop this quote, but Game recognizes Game, and for all of Hugo’s purported investment in feminist flag waving, a lot of guys in the ‘sphere saw his Game for what it was.”

    They were at least two years late. Most Feminists had him pegged from the get-go.

  25. I grew up in the ’60’s and 70’s with a feminist psychology professor mom and her circle of butch cronies (most single), of which only a few men were “privileged” enough to enter. You got it, the few were “Hugo-ish.” Women pretending to be men, men pretending to be women – major wtf to a kid. By highschool it was obvious to me that these “guys” were getting a lot of pussy from these butch bitches.
    Hugo’s plight – no surprise here!

  26. @ Michael
    Hope you are saving a lot of $ for the menatl health treatment at least one of your children will require. A schizo/psychotic break will happen, especially if there is any genetic predisposition to any type of personality disorder.
    The 1st time one does fail, watch out! I just hope no one gets hurt. You bash “Yep . . .” for teaching failure; your kids will not be able to deal with it; bad things for them are inevitable as they hit their early 20s.
    They are also at great risk for underachieving, as they will not attempt anything unless they are sure to “win.” You are doing them a great disservice that will affect them the rest of their lives – poor kids!

    Yep – thanks for demonstrating Alphas can be compassionate and empathic, especially to Michael-ish readers!

  27. Well, as I said, I want my kids to “be all they can be”, but I’m not perfect and there is the potential (and great fear of mine) is that my kids will fail (because there is not guarantee of success, because there are always unseen circumstances) – and I will never tell another man how to raise their kids.

    But I will tell say, I believe in the concept of living life more like a “missile guidance” system. Research, Plan, Act, Correct, Adjust Course. No one is perfect (and I have found that out over and over personally), and Michael’s approach is just as valid as anyone’s. I want my kids to always look to “jump the shark” but with planning and research – understand the risks, and be prepared (not expect) for things to go wrong.

    Also my point the other day with my son was this…

    We saw a man standing at an intersection holding a sign, asking for money. And I told him how close anyone is from being that guy. And yeah, there are arguments (strategies) about how to stay away from that – but there are also a ton of “what ifs” that no one could imagine. I never expected the Internet Bubble to pop to the extent is did; I never expected that the job market would dry up to such a point that I would be unemployed/underemployed for 5 years; I never expected that a business partner/angel investor wouldn’t hold up his part of the bargain; And I never, ever expected to be separated, on the road to divorce.

    I have lived mostly in a world of expecting success. But as the saying goes “Shit Happens”. And my 18 year old son, is old enough to handle some “hard truths” he’ll face as he ventures out in the world.

  28. Most Feminists had him pegged from the get-go.

    Hmm…no, I believe that privilege was reserved for just a few, and none from the get-go.

  29. HUS is back up with comments . Looks like the comment section will be a total snooze-fest now with the delete and ban hammer being wielded already.

  30. There were a number of feminists who knew about Hugo’s past. Particularly his murder attempt, so yeah, they had him pegged (heh) from the get-go.

  31. There were a number of feminists who knew about Hugo’s past.

    Name them, and point to their writings.

    Here, I’ll name some who did not want to know anything about Hugo’s past:

    the entire editorial staff of Atlantic, the feminists who run the Good Mangina Project, A. Marcotte, and shall I go on?

    The only feminists who had Hugo pegged were in the LA basin, as his article earlier this year strongly suggests…

  32. “Name them, and point to their writings. ”

    Can’t. It was years ago I saw it.
    I just remember that when he started to write for various websites , there were always comments like “Why are you allowing a man who attempted to murder a woman to write for you” and “I will no longer read this publication.” etc.

    Sometimes I’d click on the name of the poster and it would take me to a blog ranting against Hugo.

    I seem to recall RadFemHub had quite a lot about him.

    I’m not an equalist. My travels around the world showed me that not all kids are the same/equal. I knew American youth were amongst the bottom of the barrel (they are raised in a “porn culture”, what can we expect) but I did not have them pegged at the very bottom til now;

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2013/08/15/hookinguprealities/invasion-of-the-penii/

    What Gandhi thought would be a good idea? Looks like it will never happen.

  33. So in fact, Monarch Programming, you can’t actually produce any feminists who saw Hugo for what he was. Thanks for making my point even more clear, and for supporting the larger point made in the OP.

    Hugo is the feminised man par excellence, an example of what feminism wished and still wishes to do to all men. Only now, when he’s become an obvious embarrassment to The Cause, are feminists jettisoning him. And all of his supplication, his emotional drama scenes, etc. cannot save him from the contempt of the feminists. Because, ultimately, of hypergamy…because feminism is founded upon false premises, and therefore all its conclusions are not even wrong.

    Hugo is an example to every man, demonstrating that no matter how many feminist slogans a man mouths, no matter how much self-abasement a man heaps on himself, no matter how much a man submits to the tyranny of women’s whims, in the end all he will earn is contempt. Therefore, there is nothing to be gained by submitting to feminism, or to feminists, or to other forms of gynocentric tyranny such as “traditionalism” with its “complimentarianist” (read: male chauffer) model.

    Men will go their own way, sooner or later, so choose that way with care.

    (If you are not an equalist, then you are not a feminist. Feminism’s premises include the notion that men and women are the same and interchangeable, save for the reproductive function.)

    Oh, and one more thing:

    Susan Walsh is an aging, menopausal 2nd stage feminist who now wants to have grandchildren, but who also wants younger women to be able to ride the cock carousel & nevertheless fall into the arms of a Beta when ready to do so (just as she did). She doesn’t know much of anything about anything, and is incapable of retaining any knowledge that conflicts with her feminism / gynocentrism. Not a reliable source to cite on this topic…or any other, for that matter. She does not know, and she does not wish to admit that she does not know, so she is intellectually dishonest with herself and therefore with everyone else.

  34. “Susan Walsh is an aging, menopausal 2nd stage feminist who now wants to have grandchildren, but who also wants younger women to be able to ride the cock carousel & nevertheless fall into the arms of a Beta when ready to do so (just as she did).”

    And it worked! LOL. As it usually does.

    Susan is trying to stay relevant in a culture that worships youth and ignores the elderly.

    She is also trying to relive her past vicariously through her commenters.

    “She doesn’t know much of anything about anything, and is incapable of retaining any knowledge that conflicts with her feminism / gynocentrism. Not a reliable source to cite on this topic…or any other, for that matter. She does not know, and she does not wish to admit that she does not know, so she is intellectually dishonest with herself and therefore with everyone else.”

    Well, if you read the piece she was mostly quoting others. My disgust is with the complete pornification of kids by the time they reach Junior High.

    Who’s fault is this? The kids? The parents? The porn industry? TV? The internet? American “culture”? All of the above?

    Susan’s post-grad sexcapades, which she openly wrote about on her site (sex in a library and sex on stairs somewhere on campus if I recall correctly, etc), did not commence until she was in her post-grad years, so above the age of 22.

    Til 23 or so she mostly kept herself to herself. And she was clearly a “relationship oriented” person from the start. And she’s been married almost 30 years now.

    Her number, IIRC, is not high. I’d hardly call her an ex-carousel rider.

    Unless you enter into a very strict and conservative religious community I don’t think its likely you will find a lot of female virgins in their mid-20s.

    Many unmarried adults in this country are having mutually consentual sex with someone.

    I don’t think its uncommon for a “hook-up” to turn into something longer lasting.

    If what I’m reading about 13-16 year olds is true (and that is waaaaaaaaaaay to young), boys who have crushes on girls are sending them snapshots of their penises and texting them lewd, pornographic msgs because this is how this new generation of kids (the porn generation) thinks one is supposed to approach a girl that one actually LIKES.

    So if the girl bites (and if she “likes” the boy she might), then they’ll meet somewhere, some sexual activity will commence, and then these 2 kids who like each other will begin a “teen romance”.

    And why the hell not?

    There is nothing in our “rugged individualism” and rabidly materialistic culture to stop them.

    These are the “principles” upon which this nation was founded, so we’d be fools to think what is happening now is not the intended outcome.

    The American Dream baby!

  35. Before you get too upset with 13-16 y.o. boys texting dick shots to girls, Google “self-shots”, “self shooters” or “Selfies” and tell me why they might think it’s a good idea.

    Susan is all commercial now. She killed her comments just long enough to avoid too much backlash for her past bullshit that might conflict with anything she said on her HuffPo Live appearance. She’s a site traffic whore for her advertisers.

    Why Vox still considers her a manosphere blogger now is beyond me.

  36. “Before you get too upset with 13-16 y.o. boys texting dick shots to girls, Google “self-shots”, “self shooters” or “Selfies” and tell me why they might think it’s a good idea.”

    Have you read the actual piece Rollo?

    Its about boys who are texting penis shots and “I want my d*ck in your mouth” to girls that have NOT texting them any thing of the sort, NOT to girls who have sent them “selfies”.

    If a girl sends an unsolicited “selfie” to a boy or a “I want your tongue in my c*nt” or “I want to put my finger up your *ss” text msg, then I’d expect him to be just as offended as the other way around.

    The bigger issue here is how kids are completely pornified. If that is the case, and clearly in this country it is, then we might as well legalize prostitution and allow them to at least make some money off of it since its not likely they’ll find any other sort of job in this economy.

    Rather than fight this, like good little free market capitalists, we should profit financially from it.

    Whaddaya say?

  37. Why Vox still considers her a manosphere blogger now is beyond me.

    She’s not an androsphere blogger per se. That’s neither her focus nor her target audience. But based on the number of her commenters who have subsequently moved on to sites like yours, mine, and even their own, I see her blog as serving a useful introductory purpose.

    Whether that will still be the case after her restructuring, we will have to wait and see.

    I know from experience that very few women can handle straight Game blogs, but civilization requires their participation as much as it requires that of men. Therefore, we should support bloggers like Susan even if we view their messages as incomplete or only partially true.

    It is a mistake to lump someone like Susan in with the Jezzies.

  38. ” based on the number of her commenters who have subsequently moved on to sites like yours, mine, and even their own”

    How many of her regular commenters – i.e. people who didn’t comment on other sites before showing up at HUS -, male or female, actually moved on to androsphere sites? How many thoughtful, useful commenters did HUS spawn? I cannot even name one.

    “but civilization requires their participation”

    Yes – in the form of delivering babies and then looking after them while they’re young. Women’s participation in discussions amongst men about the SMP – or any other issue for that matter – is absolutely not required for civilization to endure.

    “It is a mistake to lump someone like Susan in with the Jezzies.”

    Why exactly? What are the tangible differences between them? The main objective of Walsh, the one purpose that all her arguments and complaints boil down to, is that young, upper-class, college-educated white women should be able to follow the mating strategy that she followed in the 80s. Nothing more. How is that anti-feminist, or even non-feminist? Her main complaint is that certain long-term consequences of certain feminist tenets might potentially hinder the mating strategies of certain women. That’s hardly anti-feminism. It’s one thing that she wrote articles specifically criticizing certain arguments of certain feminists. But she basically stopped doing that a long time ago. She doesn’t actually attack the foundations of feminist dogma and never did.

  39. “The main objective of Walsh, the one purpose that all her arguments and complaints boil down to, is that young, upper-class, college-educated white women should be able to follow the mating strategy that she followed in the 80s. ”

    Who do you suggest *should* stop sovereign adult individuals from engaging in mutually consentual sex?

  40. Ruh-roh!!!

    Apparently, Hugo has tried to kill himself again on this past week;

    “Hugo Schwyzer, the controversial pornography professor who took a leave from Pasadena City College to recover from mental illness, has once again been hospitalized after attempting suicide.

    He said the attempt was “serious,” in an email to The Daily Caller News Foundation….”

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/16/porn-professor-attempts-suicide-again/#ixzz2cMcjK1zp

    Well, that’s it. Hugo has become ‘Brad’ from ‘Bachelor Party’…

    “…Adding to the confusion is Rick’s friend, Brad who has become despondent over his wife breaking up with him. At various points during the movie, he riotously botches every suicide he attempts. He even tries slitting his wrists with an electric razor to which Rick says, “Well…..at least your wrists will be smooth and kissable.”

  41. I’m empathetic toward the mentally ill and those with suicide ideation but come on, who contacts news outlets after attempting suicide?

  42. Hey, this is what I said was coming… like an out of control avalanche. Rollo, you’re not the cause of it, not by a long shot. If anything, properly taken, you are an antidote. However, you are now a leader, and so you DO play a role in the final outcome. What role will that be? Time will tell. We all must live in this world. It’s my hope, friend, that you take the constructive path, rather than the poolside. You are in a powerful positiion to affect positive change… please make use of it. Or, we can all be like the RattLife punk in southern California (YaReally). What a world to look forward to… until the dollar crashes… and then, all bets are off.

    (What about your kids, for fuck’s sake? You are creating the world THEY will have to live in. Assuming everything you write is the truth, great (with which, I largely agree). Rollo, here’s how powerful you are: you’re literally creating reality with your every post that finds its way into the minds of men (they act upon it). You’re POWERFUL. But WHAT ABOUT YOUR KIDS? Dude, pick a side, please.

    Out.

  43. “She doesn’t actually attack the foundations of feminist dogma and never did.”
    Why would she? She is largely a feminist that agrees with the basic tenets of gender equality, just like most people in American society. That’s a pointless battle to fight.
    Her role is one of expediting Thermidor and putting the Feminist Robespierres on the chopping block.
    A lot of her female commenters were hard-core Jezzies before coming to something more moderate. Even if a girl goes “blah blah blah women should be allowed to have casual sex,” it’s an improvement if she herself does not actually do it, and behaves in a way that’s respectful to men.

    Dunno if this new incarnation of HUS is going to accomplish anything. Maybe it will, maybe it won’t. For me, it’s good to have some faith. As the HUS-experiment shows, well, most women cannot handle even moderate male commentary…

  44. “But WHAT ABOUT YOUR KIDS? Dude, pick a side, please.”

    Who cares? Kids have never been the most important thing to American parents. The most important thing to American parents is their “fweeeeeeeeeedom” and “rugged indiwidualiiiiisssssm”.

    That’s why so many single parents prefer to surf the net, date strangers and get laid then spend quality time with their children.

  45. She’s not an androsphere blogger per se. That’s neither her focus nor her target audience. But based on the number of her commenters who have subsequently moved on to sites like yours, mine, and even their own, I see her blog as serving a useful introductory purpose.

    Vox, I can only assume then that you have not checked out the last 3-4 posts along with the comment sections. To whatever degree HUS once served a useful introductory purpose to Red Pill concepts (and arguably that has been a pretty weak introduction the last 12 months or so) there certainly isn’t anything left whatsoever that is supportive of or a useful intro to a different view of intergender dynamics from Blue Pill mainstream feminist views.

    Therefore, we should support bloggers like Susan even if we view their messages as incomplete or only partially true.

    It is a mistake to lump someone like Susan in with the Jezzies.

    You are correct that it is a mistake to lump Susan with the Jezzies, but really, that isn’t saying much. When you get down to brass tacks, and you examine the totality of her views and conceptual foundation she is probably closer to the Jezzies than she is to you, Rollo, or myself. I’m not a rigid ideologue that is insistent on “purity” of beliefs or litmus tests, and I see the pragmatic interest in a “big tent” philosophy. At some point though, if you make your tent to big, you simply have a circus of performers doing entirely inconsistent acts.

    I’m guessing you have a soft spot for her for whatever reason. In any case, props to Rollo. He had Susan’s real deal nailed from day 1 even when she had me fooled.

  46. A lot of her female commenters were hard-core Jezzies before coming to something more moderate.

    ADBG, not trying to call you out here in a negative way, but can you give me a name or two. I’m pondering, and I can’t think of a single female commenter who arrived at HUS a Jezzie type and after participating awhile turned more moderate. I can think of a couple Jezzie types that stayed Jezzie types. I guess I’m just skeptical that at the end of the day, HUS really had much impact in making any readers/commenters more understanding/empathetic to the male POV/perspective.

    Dunno if this new incarnation of HUS is going to accomplish anything.

    Well, I’m pretty sure the main intent now is to increase Susan’s chances of seriously monetizing the blog through increased MSM exposure and eventually some type of book. So if that happens, I think that is an accomplishment. In terms of having a long-term positive impact on male-female mating and dating, I don’t think it will accomplish shit. That would require telling women readers the straight up truth and helping them to digest it. Clearly, she made a business decision that wasn’t the way to go. In a recent post, she is basically telling women that physical appearance doesn’t matter, and you are beautiful no matter what. That is straight up blue pill pretty lies.

    As the HUS-experiment shows, well, most women cannot handle even moderate male commentary…

    That is perhaps the biggest takeaway of the experiment of the last 3-4 years. Just out of curiousity, were you one of the 78 who got an e-mail basically saying your presence there was no longer desired. Bastiat left a comment, and Susan replied basically indicating she had given 78 commenters the permanent boot. It would be interesting because to me, you really went out of your way to be diplomatic and kind of soften the delivery on some of your comments.

  47. 78 is a big number. I have to say I’m a bit surprised. I was sure she banned probably 10-20 men, but 78? And I’m pretty sure there are very few, if any, women among them.

  48. Rollo, perhaps Giggles sent your censorship notice via snail mail to the Las Vegas address…

  49. Rollo, is this where Hugo leads too?

    “You may not recall the old days when feminists explained that it took a real man to get in touch with his feminine side, or better, that only a man who was completely secure in his masculinity would walk around in dress.

    It was a dumb idea then. It’s dumb idea now. Like it or not, Bronyhood fulfills its wish.”

    You HAVE got to read the whole article – WOW!

    http://stuartschneiderman.blogspot.ca/2013/08/what-is-brony.html

  50. Believe me, I get how easy it is to become despondent about the trends we face—I get it. However, you have built up considerable cache with the public—much more than MOST MSM sources. YOU and the MS have become mega-trends in their own right (as opposed to years ago, when the MS was a backwater). A wonderful achievement—good for you. And yes, I understand why you have maintained your poolside demeanor over the years—in the face of oblivion, it can be easier to simply step away and watch it all fall down. (Matt King, grating as many of you think he is, is a good lesson for all of us on the matter of FAITH, whatever your faith may be. Look at the dude. The world stacked against his beliefs, he plugs away, day after day. This is a great lesson for one’s game, even, which I think is his larger point.)

    But now, Rollo, check this out: YOU’RE WINNING. I humbly suggest that if you are sincere about your level of care for the rest of us, that you NOW go on the offensive, with rabid intensity. We will follow you. Yes, even me. Instead of celebrating the collapse poolside and regaling in how fucked up our lives are, please rally us to the positive reconstruction on the other side. You’re capable of that. WE’RE READY FOR IT. Take everything you’ve built over these many years, and redirect it from commentary to the stark offensive. I’m quite sure that you will have an army at your back. Yes, you do in fact wield that level of power. We don’t want to lose. We want to win. Lead us to one of many victories to come, please.

    Also, please allow me to extend this urge to the rest of the MS—Chateau, Roosh, Krauser, et al.

    Gentlemen, we are NOW officially winning. It’s time to double down on that. (I’ve never said this before, because it was never the right time, before. Go right now and INVADE your respective communities. It won’t be easy. They WILL judge you. Make no mistake, there WILL be casualties. However, in the end, they will love you. Humans love truth, once it settles upon them.) INVADE the sites of our enemies and give them what for. Believe it. Own it. Dominate the enemy. Take the offensive. Ally with each other. Right now. Windows like this come around once, maybe twice, in a lifetime. Don’t fuck it up. NOW is the time. We can actually defeat this, right now. All of you, put your body against the machine, and halt it. Nihilism: pfew. Please. Nihilism = SUBMISSION TO THE ENEMEY.) No more division. No more splintering. We are either on the same team, as men who want to live in a better world, or we are selfish pricks out for our own self-interest, and nothing more. (You NEED other allied men in your life. It’s how our species is wired.) I’m telling you—the community—that RIGHT NOW is the time. Get aggressive. Whatever communities you inhabit, take it to them, with no apology (it won’t be easy at first, but in the end, they will love you for it.) Every single little bitty attack (or better, a big attack) that YOU launch on the enemy, will have an effect. Do it, pussy.

    Look, I can analyze WHY the MS is splintering. But, you know what? That analysis serves none of us. Far better that we put our egos aside and reunify. I’m telling you, NOW is the time to attack. All of you, go for the jugular, RIGHT NOW. If ALL OF YOU go for the jugular over the next 30 days, we will KILL the enemy. If you remain tepid, not so much. Much better to unleash your testosterone and attack.

    For those of you who are so despondent that you reflexively respond to this comment with negative snipes and snarks, I understand. You inhabit the world that I also happen to live in. Believe it or not, I pray for your well-being. Stick around anyway, it’s going to get very fun here, shortly. We WILL rout out these parasites.

  51. Susan was born for the lime light. She has the looks, personality, smarts and know-how to make it big. She’s a Wharton Business School grad after all who has done quite well for herself. And she regularly referred to her love for acting in local plays, which she continues to do.

    This was a woman who was destined for the mainstream spot light.

    A star is born.

  52. Yep a star is born, alright!

    I just mosied on over to HUS and here’s what Susan has to say in her latest entry entitled “What Hook Up Culture?”

    “Check out this excellent new segment at HuffPost Live:

    (Full disclosure: I’m a panelist on the show 😛 It wasn’t just one and done, they wanted to see me again 🙂 )”

  53. I want to have sympathy for Hugo just in a “be the better man” way, but I really feel like he did a lot of damage for the beta males who are already shit on by society. Women tend to belittle men’s problems because they picture the jacked alpha CEO business-bro and think “that guy has all this privilege” and ya, that guy does. But the beta male who’s completely invisible to everyone, especially women, is beat down relentlessly and Hugo’s articles helped fuel that shit.

    I’d say Hugo’s disappointing meltdown to feminists is probably the exact same feeling a lot of the Manosphere had when it turned out that Aunt Sue was full of shit too. Duped and led along by someone pretending to champion the same beliefs, then stabbed in the back by a delusional hamster.

    Also I would like to live inside avd’s head for like, 10 minutes. Lol

  54. Susan explains why the bans, why the emails. She says the “red pill” was killing her blog. Remember fellas, this was a blog created years ago by woman, for women. If woman are not participating, what is the point?

    It makes sense. Read below;

    Bastiat Blogger

    Susan, congrats on the media appearances! I also wanted to ask you how you felt about hearing from the “unrestricted male” side of the SMP petting zoo and how I could continue to comment here without causing issues. I was concerned that I had been banned!

    susanawalsh

    @BB
    You sneaky f*cker, you snuck around the ban!

    Here’s the deal – I’ve been spelling it out in emails for the last several days.

    When I turned off comments, HUS was down to 1 female commenter. (Ana, bless her heart, and she was sticking around out of loyalty.) Some women have drifted away, others have written to “resign” and say goodbye.

    I’ve got a henhouse with no hens in it. So what’s going on now is the equivalent of Ch. 11. Either I can remake HUS in a way that makes women want to participate or I close up shop.

    This required making some difficult decisions – 78 of them in fact. It’s not personal to any one commenter.

    The Red Pill is killing my blog. I have no plans to go into denial about sex differences or gender truths, but I have long said that HUS is not the place for males to digest it.

  55. “Also I would like to live inside avd’s head for like, 10 minutes. Lol”

    You ever see the movie “The Cell”?

  56. YaReally, ” Women tend to belittle men’s problems because they picture the jacked alpha CEO business-bro and think “that guy has all this privilege” and ya, that guy does. But the beta male who’s completely invisible to everyone, especially women, is beat down relentlessly and Hugo’s articles helped fuel that shit.”

    – What do you mean by “beat down relentlessly”?

    I agree that many people think of a certain stereotype, or archetype if you will, when they think of the “privileged male” in general or the “privileged white male” in particular, what may be referred to as “the patriarchy”. It may be that the stereotype is projected onto many or most males. However the Manosphere does the same in reverse. ALL women are supposedly privileged and pampered and getting all manner of endless attention from all manner of men, from top dogs to dry bones.

    What the Manosphere does is envision the women THEY find attractive and cannot attain because those women have major options and project the circumstances of those women onto all women.

    Take a look and listen at this young woman featured on Susan’s blog;

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2013/08/16/hookinguprealities/thoughts-on-beauty/

    She considers herself “ugly” but lets face it, she looks similar to MOST women in this country; ordinarly, plain, invisible.

    And these are the women that the Manosphere is projecting their corrupted fantasies of privilege, pomp and “alpha carousel” onto.

    It is far removed from reality.

  57. “Susan explains why the bans,”

    Case in point. We’re WINNING. You guys have demolished this broad’s blog! Attack right now. This is the window. I’m telling you. The enemy WILL regroup in time, if we let them. The enemy is terribly weakened at present by its multitude of scandals, of which even the mainstream beta’s have become frightfully aware. Even the beta’s in my life initiate conversation about this shit now, without my prompting.

    Ignore the cretins who want to hold you in this unhealthy place. They want to hold you there because that is the only place where they have any value. Eliminate the toxic environment that we currently live in, and those douche bags vaporize. Don’t follow them when it comes to something as important as the future of YOUR life.

    Or, hold onto your knowledge of “game,” thinking that it will somehow elevate you above what is staring ALL of us in the face. Choose to be a loser because it’s easy. Or choose to be a winner, even though it’s hard.

    Look, I’m not a leader of the MS. I’m just a man who consumes it. I will not beat this drum beyond today. It’s my sincere hope that the leaders of the MS heard my call and will begin to lead along these lines in their blog posts.

    Check this out: the MS is NOT the only spear piercing the truth. It is ONE of them.

    A punk is a punk, will ALWAYS BE a punk.

  58. “She considers herself “ugly” but lets face it, she looks similar to MOST women in this country; ordinarly, plain, invisible. ”

    Here’s my issue with the lady in the video

    She is not in shape and doesn’t even try to style herself.

    If I was a woman, I would act as I was a professional model and learn everything I can about nutrition, beauty and style and make my job in my life to this. As a man, I watch what I eat and play attention to my style and it’s no where near as important.

    This lady could be sexually attractive to many men but never to the top men and because of this she just says ‘ fuck it’ and lets herself go because if she can’t get alpha then why bother.

    Plus another problem and this applies to most American women, is that she doesn’t have any kind of femininity to her personality. They want to behave, speak and act like androgynous shims. When you destroy your innate feminine personality because it’s become unfashionable and you can’t take the hit because your are lacking natural beauty well then who’s to blame and what value does she have to opposite sex?

    This applies to men too.

    The reason most guys are convinced that it’s all about looks and material wealth is because it really is about those attributes when you behave and act like submissive beta male. You need huge passive value when you have to overcome being a pussified ‘man’.

    So the looks is everything vs the guys that say it’s not important are always arguing because they are both right. When you behave like a beta male then it definitely is true but when you behave like a self determined badass alpha then it’s not so important.

    Women though are even worse then men about going against the grain and choosing true self improvement because that would mean ‘they are going back to the 50s’ and ‘that’s an eating disorder’.

    ‘What the Manosphere does is envision the women THEY find attractive and cannot attain because those women have major options and project the circumstances of those women onto all women.’

    The plain jane in her 20s is ten times more valuable and desired than average joe in his 20s. That’s just a straight up fact and because plain jane has money, the average beta joe provides absolutely no value. That girl in the video could absolutely get sex if she went a club with a guy that is 7/10 TONIGHT. She could leave with a beta anytime she wants and get a drunk alpha when he couldn’t score with the high value women. That’s the straight truth and nothing will make it different. The only women that can’t get sex with an decently attractive man is an obese one.

  59. Look at Furious Ferret! That’s some word up, right there! See Ferret, we agree on some things. Seriously, a well articluated analysis. Good job.

  60. Hey Morpheus.
    No worries about calling or not calling out. Hell you could do it if you like :p
    Emily specifically mentioned she was a Jezzie. I believe Hope mentioned she held similar beliefs, and I think Ana said she used to troll those boards, but don’t quote me on that.
    MOST of the women that arrive to Susan’s woman site, at least the ones that comment, are not relationship worthy, not sympathetic to men, full-stop. Always exceptions.
    Since I’ve started commenting there, I haven’t seen any “transitions,” tbh. I am going by the comments of the women themselves. A lot of these girls get quickly dislluisoned by aggressive feminism. I know one in real-life that used to comment on Jezzie, friend of a boyfriend. After a while she stopped because that env is 100% toxic.

    Anyways, most of the new-coming women to that blog, really do just shit everywhere, as badly as the guys, and are classic Fembot warriors. I am thinking Apple specifically.

    My hope is that Susan can calm gals like that down. We’ll see. I’ll be watching comments to see what, if anything, changes…

    @PJ
    I was there for puberty and college and post-college. There is no comparison, at all, between “plain” girls and “Beta” guys. Plain Girls got it 1,000 times easier. Their biggest struggle is getting over their own laziness and looking good, and fighting their inner submissive and approach some guys.
    I feel for the girls, because boys don’t approach much at my age, unless they are players, but that’s mostly because this culture has broke guys into nothingness. Thus, the guys I know, cannot approach girls, who are in Costume, at Comic Con.
    Fuck, they don’t even feel comfortable around Strippers. OBJECTIFFFFFFYYYYYYY!
    The girl in that Youtube video is a great case example, cause she presents herself to the world without even taking a fucking shower. She had a breakdown and posted it on Youtube. Big whoop.
    Anyways, I know an “ugly, plain” girl. That would be my sister. She wears over-sized Silver Chair t-shirts and scowls all the time. Yes, she’s quite plain when she looks like that.
    She looks absolutely fine when she puts in some effort. I should know, I’ve known for her 26 years and was there for her wedding.

    Funny story, I know a Plain Girl who came up to my social group, randomly, entirely out of the blue. Again, not actually plain, just doesn’t dress sexy. Even so, when I took her on a camping trip, she had the attention of all the guys there.
    Which one did she choose?
    Well, one of the guys took me aside and warned me he was a player. I wonder…

    Girl problems are First World Problems. They exist, but they are so, so, SO much smaller, and so many of them are created by this nonsense culture that beats the shit out of guys.

  61. Also, regarding the recent posts.
    Men and Women think differently and Blue Pill Men and Blue Pill Women think differently from Red Pill Men and Red Pill women.
    Blue Pill Men, and I should know because I was one, will look at those recent posts and think:

    Dating as Extreme Sport: Girls are starting to make a bigger effort! That means I don’t have to do as much, and in fact shouldn’t, because if she wanted to talk to me, she would show it. *nod*

    Invasion of the Penis: Wow! Girls have to deal with so much crap. I am going to make myself look different by making sure she feels comfortable and asking her if she’s comfortable before any step 🙂

    Some thoughts on Ugliness: Wow. Girls have to deal with so much internal grief, from this society that makes them feel ugly all the time 😦
    I should make sure every girl feels beautiful and tell them all the time. That way they like me.

    What Hookup Culture: Most girls don’t even hook-up! I am going to differentiate myself by taking girls out on lots of expensive dates. She will appreciate being woo’d, because most girls are like that and not hooking up!

    SWEET IMMA HAVE A GIRL BY THE END OF THE WEEK :DDDDDDD

    Blue Pill guys do not think Blue Pill girls. The ideal message that Blue Pill GIRLS should be receveing is:

    Dating as Extreme Sport: Most of you are playing it too safe and missing out on a lot of guys. This is creating a scarcity mentality in your mind, which is going to lead to BAD THINGS when you DO find a guy you like and that likes you. Just take a chance.

    Invasion of the Penis: There will be a lot of guys that are extremely sexually aggressive. This is an EXTREME red-flag. Lots of girls fall for this. Don’t be one of them.

    Ugliness: We all feel ugly sometimes. It’s okay. There’s nothing wrong with being ugly. Don’t use that as an excuse, go out and enjoy this beautiful world God gave us.

    What Hookup Culture: Most girls most of the time do not hook up, period. They do it, on occasion, to try to get a guy, and it usually fails. If you do not hook up, you aren’t missing out on anything.

    Now, do you see the difference? The goal is to get Blue-Pill girls to take some chances, to reject players, to not hook up, and to feel pretty and project confidence. If Susan succeeds in getting a girl to do that, that girl is. Fucking. Set. For. Life.
    It’s a tough message to push, and it is easier for it to be phrased THAT way, than have a bunch of old guys like her father yelling at her.
    I have no idea if it WILL work, but that’s how I am reading it.

    To a Blue Pill guy? Yeah, the new format is suicide. He will process that shit totally differently. And us Red-Pill guys will process it differently, because we aren’t whiny blue-pill girls, as evidenced by the fact that we aren’t talking about make-up.

    But HUS is for girls, not for guys.

    I wouldn’t put her in the fully red-pill side, but I would say, have some faith. Even if it fails, well, we are right back where we started, so what’s the harm?

  62. “Ugliness: We all feel ugly sometimes. It’s okay. There’s nothing wrong with being ugly. Don’t use that as an excuse, go out and enjoy this beautiful world God gave us”

    “to feel pretty and project confidence”

    This is plain flat out wrong. Almost all the ugly women are fat and don’t do a damn thing to improve their appearance.

    If she can’t adequately get the women to go off the SAD diet and get them to adjust their style to femininity then it’s all moot.

    All you have to do to be attractive in the US is run faster than the other fatties when ‘obesity bear’ is chasing them and adopt some feminine style to their overall look. For whatever reason, probably because their diet information is all wrong, women refuse to do this despite the information being out there.

    There is everything wrong with being an ugly girl if in almost all cases they can do something about it that’s not even that hard. A paleo diet six days a week is very fulfilling and doable. Plus if the weight epidemic was over then the SMP would even out with more viable chicks in the market.

    We see the same thing with beta males. In the past a beta male wasn’t the end of the world to settle with because he was encouraged to at least try to attempt masculine behavior. Now that behavior is outright demonized so they create a dichotomy of the only males that are even remotely attractive at the primal level are alpha males. So feminism has created more unattractive males for them to marry. Fucking idiots. Well not really since the ringleaders were lesbians that didn’t give a shit and just wanted resources that ugly women couldn’t get back then.

  63. I agree with you, she needs to get them of the SAD and get them off the negative feels.

    That is the point of that post. Again, don’t know if it will work or not. However, that was the point of THAT post. Susan acknowledges SMV and HUS 2.0 will likely have some sort of make-up primer or some girly stuff like that at some point.

    Just look at her in the video, she’s definitely not going to tell girls that they SHOULDN’T put effort into their appearance.

  64. Props to you guys (esp Ferret). I was going to respond to that comment but you guys explained it great.

    This is why I call betas invisible to feminists railing about privilege. Unless a girl is literally disfigured, she just has to eat healthy, do some extremely minor exercise, learn to dress herself up, and she can land a BILLIONAIRE. Without doing a day of work in her life, she can earn billions just because she ate a chicken breast instead of a McChicken.

    When a woman says she can’t get laid, that usually means “I can’t get laid by a high-value guy I’m super attracted to when I don’t bother to take care of myself or try to impress him in any way. Sure I get attention, a construction site guy will shout “nice tits” but I don’t want HIM, I want a better guy and don’t register that “I could get laid but only by lame guys” is not the same as “I literally cannot get laid except by prostitutes”.”

    Beta male? Shit man, good luck. You can work your ass off, but you still have to work out and eat right constantly to get big (much harder than just losing weight), then you gotta have a nice car, lasting career, be able to provide, etc etc. then on top of that you have to learn to be social and attractive. And even when you land her, you have to stay at the top of your game constantly and keep growing and not rest on your heels or she can bail and take your kids/money and basically ruin you.

    And on top of all that you have women, who don’t want to do a few sit-ups or put down their chocolate cake, yelling at you about how you’re a man-child fuckup but also how privileged you are lol. And thru all that, you probably won’t even get laid by ugly girls who have done nothing with their life except demand more from the men around them. It’s surreal lol

    When a beta male says he can’t get laid, he means “literally no woman will touch me, not even ugly ones, I have never felt a female human being want me in ANY capacity, for ANY reason…there’s no women-I-COULD-fuck-but-don’t-want-to cat-calling me from construction sites, there’s literally no woman who has any interest in me at all, I am invisible”

    Being a beta male blows in ways that women and naturally alpha men can’t comprehend.

    Now an alpha can break a ton of those rules and still cash in. But those guys aren’t invisible so they don’t have to have a 6-pack or Ferrari to get laid. That’s why we focus on turnin men into alphas from the inside mentally as well as the outside, instead of just telling them to earn more money or work out more…it’s a much shorter route to success with women.

  65. avd,
    “Case in point. We’re WINNING. You guys have demolished this broad’s blog! Attack right now. This is the window. I’m telling you.”

    – No. Simply no. Her blog has not been “demolished” but rather quite the opposite. It is now receiving the mainstream attention Susan always hoped for it. She created the blog years ago as a satellite to her “focus groups” that she was holding in her home with young women in her daughter’s social circle. At some point, and I don’t know how, a few extreme and vocal “Manospherians” found it and starting screaming like banshees all over the comments section about “Americunts” and “Feminazis” as well as peddling 1-way “open” relationships and ex-patting to foreign countries because again, “Americunts” and “Feminazis”.

    Dullcock even tried to pimp his concept of “Biblical marriage” there despite the fact that it is not a religious, much less a Christian, blog.

    So you tell me, why should American women who are looking for (sane) American men to LTR with and marry hang around a blog that is filled with such rabid lunacy?

    Susan has done the right thing in getting rid of these radical elements and you can bet your bottom dollar that after her exposure on Huff Po, she will attract a ton more site traffic than she ever did being the pit stop exit on the highway to Destination Manosphere.

    avp,
    “The enemy WILL regroup in time, if we let them.”

    – See what I mean by the lunatic fringe? The “enemy”? Come on now. Susan’s blog was not created to engage in a war, not even a gender war. With rhetoric like that, you won’t get anywhere, and that is why even Roosh says the Manosphere is dead.
    ____________________________________

    Furious Ferret and Definite Beta Guy,

    I don’t think either of you paid attention to what that young woman in the “ugly” video was saying. She isn’t looking for advice on how to look better or looking for sympathy or looking for anyone to tell her, “no, you’re not really ugly”.

    She was offering up a different way to think about life and looks.

    In fact, what Rbrtolson wrote was basically the approach she was coming from;

    “Ugliness: We all feel ugly sometimes. It’s okay. There’s nothing wrong with being ugly. Don’t use that as an excuse, go out and enjoy this beautiful world God gave us.”

    …. that only serves to prove he didn’t grok it either since he thinks its different than what she was saying.

    FF,
    “If I was a woman, I would act as I was a professional model and learn everything I can about nutrition, beauty and style and make my job in my life to this.”

    – Well, that would be your individual choice. It is by no means an obligation of anyone to make their “job” acting as a professional model. If you have the interest in that, fine. Most people do not.

    And while nutrition and health are important, much of what is considered “beauty and style” in this culture is in fact bad for health.

    “As a man, I watch what I eat and play attention to my style and it’s no where near as important. ”

    – Good for you. Nutrition is important. I’ve nothing to say about “style”.

    But the bigger picture which you missed is that this girl is not looking for sympathy or advice. She accepts her looks and is happy with them. She was, again, talking about a different perspective on life and beauty. I think she’s a philosophy major and I wouldn’t expect a philosophy major to be posting makeup tutorials on Youtube. What she spoke about was something I’d expect from a philosophy major.

    Nevertheless, she did not say she did not have a boyfriend, so all of your assumptions about her state of singledom because of her looks may not be accurate.

    In fact, like I said, MOST Americans look about as plain as she does, both males and females, and if you’re taken a walk through any major public space these days, you’ll see plenty of them coupled with a more or less equally plain looking partner.

    So NO, nobody has to get into great shape or wear makeup to get a boyfriend/girlfriend.

  66. @Monarch Programming

    “I don’t think either of you paid attention to what that young woman in the “ugly” video was saying. She isn’t looking for advice on how to look better or looking for sympathy or looking for anyone to tell her, “no, you’re not really ugly”.

    She was offering up a different way to think about life and looks.

    I did pay attention to the video. She said “I think ugliness only becomes a problem when you let it get in the way of your life … I can’t say that I have never let that happen but it’s something that I’m dealing with”

    This a video of a girl trying to comes to terms with her being not attractive to the men she wants. She is ugly and it’s due to her own choosing. She obviously cares about this a great deal or else why the fuck would she be making a whole meltdown video about this?

    She is behaving on the female equivalent of MGTOW. She basically sucks at the basic biological prime directive of be a decently attractive female in order to attract a worthy man to have kids with. Because she is so fucked up right now, she wants to opt out just like the fat fucks of MGTOW movement. Both are saying ‘ Fuck sex, I don’t need that’ and both would drop that shtick in a New York minute if a moderately attractive person would agree to be with them.

    “What the Manosphere does is envision the women THEY find attractive and cannot attain because those women have major options and project the circumstances of those women onto all women.”

    It is true that I won’t even try for this woman because she gave up. Plain and simple. She opted out because she doesn’t want to put in the light work. I assure you she isn’t at all happy with her situation and just trying her best to make lemons out of lemonade.

    And the sad fact is even with being chunky and the queen of frump she can still get a pretty decent beta guy.

    Also, an HB5 and HB8 will most likely have the same herd feminist mentality. In fact the cute girls actually have more pleasant personalities than the average ones and all have the same entitled attitude. Have you not seen OK Cupid? Unless you are legit ugly, your inbox is overflowing with messages.

    If you’re going to the difficultly of deprograming yourself and I was/am already physically attractive enough to initially get with cute girls, then you shoot for the moon.

    Also, the women that are hot in their 20s that don’t want their Marriage Market counterparts will want those same men when they age. Those guys should have the knowledge to actually get with their own opposites instead of wait until she is used up and hates them for not being as hot as the guys that fucked her during her prime.

    “In fact, like I said, MOST Americans look about as plain as she does, both males and females, and if you’re taken a walk through any major public space these days, you’ll see plenty of them coupled with a more or less equally plain looking partner.

    So NO, nobody has to get into great shape or wear makeup to get a boyfriend/girlfriend.

    It doesn’t work like that. The quality of men and women has fallen drastically. Both suffer from androgyny and obesity. So women are hit hardest by obesity while men are taking their main damage from being feminized. One of these factors would be bad enough for either sex but both create the perfect storm for both sexes not wanting anything to do with each other especially when women can at least get fucked and reproduce by suitable men while men whack it to porn.

    I walk around every day and I tell you the truth I become misanthropic. The vast majority of people sicken me. They have no pride in themselves. They think they should be able to piss on the graves our ancestors and behave in completely unnatural ways. If a person doesn’t actively look out they become shims and not only do they become shims they want everyone else to become a shim.

    Also at the end of the day, it’s useless arguing with you because you identify yourself as ‘Plain Jane’ and you’re probably fat which makes you ugly. Why don’t you do yourself a favor and go on the Paleo Diet tomorrow and stick with it for 3 months. Then you won’t be ugly anymore and your new life can begin. There I just gave advice that is the equivalent for females that whole blogs/programs/industries with massive amounts of information is for men.

  67. Once again, from the top, Aunt Giggles has been, and continues to be a site traffic whore. Her concern is for the new commercialization of her blog.

    She knew damn well her HuffPo fluff interview was going to mean more traffic from the uninitiated so she conveniently killed her commenting, and then just as conveniently reinstated them (with full echo-chamber control) a week after the HuffPo Live video went up. She couldn’t afford to have her new advertisers catch wind of anything even resembling dissent and she couldn’t afford to have any of that new traffic go fishing around on her blog to see just how full of shit she’s been from the beginning.

    And do you know why you’re just as full of shit Monarch? Because you know that the only venue you could even be making these points on is here on my blog. The validity of an idea or an assertion is only as valid as the scrutiny it can stand to take. You will NEVER be able to scrutinize anything Susan asserts because she simply wont allow that scrutiny to take place on HUS. So what does that say about her “ideas”?

    You can only discuss them here, because I don’t moderate comments – even the comments of my most ardent detractors. So what does that say about your hero?

    I have half a mind to start a new blog dedicated to discussing Susan’s bullshit posts in an open, unmoderated comment forum. If I cared enough to do it I’m sure the traffic would outpace HUS.

  68. Hey, YaReally, I don’t like you, not at all. And I’m sure that you don’t like me. But I must say that I’ve grown a certain affection for you, truly. I fall for your schtick, I really do. I think you’re worthless, but goddamned if I don’t love your schitck. Yes, really, I DON’T like you, but, at the same time, I do like you. Quite the conubrum, I simultaneously like and dislike you at the same time. It’s difficult, to say the least. But look, I WANT to like you. You crack me up, dog. You really are a funny person—I give you that. Peace, dog. But don’t think for one second that we’re friends—we’re not. Bitch, yes, we can love each other, anyway. I’m down with that, pussy. No, I don’t like you. Fuck off. (Can I now have a complementary lol pat on the ass? Thanks.)

  69. FF, you and others, not only here but on Susan’s blog as well, are saying that girl is not “ugly” just “lazy” and if she put in some effort she could look attractive. I disagree. The raw material that she is working with, her eyes, nose and lips, are not attractive and putting makeup on them is not going to make them so.

    I’m an artist and I have a keen eye for natural beauty and this girl simply does not have it.

    Could she look better? Sure. We all could. But she is not going to look attractive.

    And so what? We are more than our looks. There are plenty of unattractive people who are happily coupled and forming loving families right now as we speak.

    “And the sad fact is even with being chunky and the queen of frump she can still get a pretty decent beta guy. ”

    Of course she can get a decent guy because she is a decent girl!

    Decent attracts decent.

    Will that decent guy be physically attractive? I doubt it. He will be more or less her looks equal because if you haven’t noticed by now, humans tend to mate assortively on the looks scale.

    Just take a walk outside and you’ll see what I mean.

  70. “FF, you and others, not only here but on Susan’s blog as well, are saying that girl is not “ugly” just “lazy” and if she put in some effort she could look attractive. I disagree. The raw material that she is working with, her eyes, nose and lips, are not attractive and putting makeup on them is not going to make them so.

    I’m an artist and I have a keen eye for natural beauty and this girl simply does not have it.

    Guys don’t judge girls like that. If you puts just a little bit of effort she very attractive to a large number of men just not alpha male material. Only men with options and chicks harshly judge like that.

    Most men want from chick:

    1) Isn’t fat
    2) Isn’t a bitch
    3) Actively puts in effort in making herself hot

    The vast majority of ugly women are capable of this but don’t because the incentive isn’t there. Why make yourself as good looking as possible if you still can’t lock down an alpha is what they are saying with giving up. Combine that with their feminist conditioning and you I give you your unattractive woman that is there by her own making.

    “Could she look better? Sure. We all could. But she is not going to look attractive.

    And so what? We are more than our looks. There are plenty of unattractive people who are happily coupled and forming loving families right now as we speak.”

    Yeah. Why gives a shit about what would make their beta male husbands happy right? I mean looking as good as possible while being thin would make the husband extremely happy but who gives a fuck because they are betas. Kids are what fucking women want you dumb twat, at least initially. They are a by product of fucking for men.

    “Will that decent guy be physically attractive? I doubt it. He will be more or less her looks equal because if you haven’t noticed by now, humans tend to mate assortively on the looks scale.

    Just take a walk outside and you’ll see what I mean.

    Most men throughout history have not looked like pretty boys. Looking good is a woman thing. That’s what they do at least for a period. They aren’t supposed to fizzle out in their 20s or never look good. So of course in an era in the US where people are sick with obesity will you find tons of unattractive couples you fucking idiot.

    It’s untrue that people assort based on the looks scale. Plenty of smoking hot women are with average looking guys. I know a lot of objectively good looking guys with chunky chicks and guess what it’s because their personalities were totally beta. I also know average looking men with smoking hot women and these guys had an alpha personality. I will give you the ugly man/ hot woman combo is not one that I have witnessed in real life.

    Listen you are a fattie. I know you are fat ugly chick who doesn’t want to take responsibility. You are female MGTOW. I’m going to give you golden advice. Research paleo diet. Go on such diet and lift weights for three months. Don’t worry about obtaining model looks because 80 percent won’t even give a fuck. There enjoy your new life instead of whining about it.

    You simply want the world to conform to you. Your biological programming wants you be healthy so a man will commit to you and fuck you and give you kids. Unless you have some type of deformity you are attractive if you put in the work. I’m not lying. Just not to the top men.

    Just as men have to get it through their skulls that hyper focusing on their looks is not going to give them the results they want, women have to understand that their looks are their most important attribute but if you take care of it, they will be plenty good enough for most guys. They don’t seem to understand this.

  71. “Most men want from chick:

    1) Isn’t fat
    2) Isn’t a bitch
    3) Actively puts in effort in making herself hot”

    She may not be fat and she certainly doesn’t come across as bitchy, but she cannot make herself “hot”. The raw material just isn’t there. And so it is for many women. Though I will agree with you that they can put in effort to look their relative best.

    “Most men throughout history have not looked like pretty boys”

    It has nothing to do with pretty boys. There are a few core universals of attractiveness and some people just don’t have that. Symmetrical face, full lips, large eyes, height, hair. Raw materials. There are countries where a large percentage of the men in the population have those raw materials. The US isn’t one of them. Same goes for the women here, though the women do seem to be a tad bit more attractive.

    “Research paleo diet.”

    LOL! Its interesting for me to see mainstream American fanboys rattle off catch phrases like SAD about 20 years too late.

    I was raised growing my own food, fermenting, sprouting, juicing, dehydrating, etc.

    In the evenings my family surfed the ocean waves, not the internet.

  72. FF: ” The only women that can’t get sex with an decently attractive man is an obese one.”

    Heh. My friend’s sister in law is obese, 45, and recent posted a secretly-taken snapshot of a young college boy who was a ski-jet instructor online, with creepy remarks like “I would destroy this hot, hot kid in bed”. Maybe she can’t, but she can sure get away with publicly creepy behavior.

    She does this all the time.

    She is also the same person who cornered me for an hour or two and described to me how she is sexually harassed in video games, and how this is important to fix. I suppose secretly taking pervy pics of kids young enough to be her son, doesn’t count.

    Women for sure have some levels of privilege. The problem isn’t having some, everyone does – it’s insisting that women have zero and men have it all.

  73. Ouch. I don’t really get where you’re coming from on the commenter “Monarch Programming”. It’s clearly a “she” and she makes valid points. I don’t understand your hate, on this particular issue. Wish I did.

  74. “Monarch Programming” is Plain Jane, a notorious and rabid feminist troll in the Manosphere and a former regular at HUS, unsurprisingly.

  75. From Checked Out at FX’s blog (he’s a Manospherian no-fault divorce lawyer by the way who himself does not get to be with his kids as much as he wants and even he is saying this);

    “As I have said from time to time, all of my bitching about women really applies only to HB8s and above who are bimbos or selfish or evil. They have the easiest life of any mammal on the history of the world at this moment, but are unappreciative of it. I would *not* want to be a short, fat, ugly, average woman in this world. Invisible, just as lacking in sex and affection as beta men are, and not as able to earn an income to support themselves either. The bitching done by bitter men is really directed at HB8s……and there are 40 decent men for every HB8, so it makes sense that 39 out of 40 men are frustrated.”

    Yep, that sounds about right.

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