Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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Ok I’m in field right now but still on autopilot

https://imgur.com/gallery/rxoHszd

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I’ll re post tomorrow with sound in the meantime the bucket of fish prize goes to anyone that can work out whar she is saying

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@IRL

I seem to remember we discussed this at one point in quite some detail.

Do you really mean you’ve been zeroed out totally or just that opportunity didn’t pan out?

There must be other opportunities over there?

In terms of finding an opportunity you need something scaleable, what are you trying to achieve? Do you want to earn a good living or do you want to be rich?

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Plus .. I’ve just caught up on this thread. You actually have to step out of your comfort zone and bloody well do something. Absolutely no on one a actually takes the first step. But in principle you need something with a large market (like half the population) where you can get other people doing the work and take a margin from that. Ideally you have a moat around your business to stop it getting raided by the fuckers and this is in the format of some type of IP or process someone else doesn’t have and can’t work out… Read more »

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While I’m on a roll, a business is something that happens without you being there. Other people do the work. If you have to do the work you’re self employed -it will be almost impossible to scale and very difficult to get rich.

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Do you have any job for me to offer?

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Thanks for the comments. @Sentient Not sure if I grasp what you mean by vehicle… I’m assuming it’s basically the service or product you want to offer? or are you talking about structure/organization? A mix of both. For various reasons, my next step is to work for someone (hence the organisation factor). I’ll stack up some cash, go through the motions of how this market works, hone my skills and build more connections. The service/product is a factor in the sense that it fits the niche (and so the market size) and requires me to put in work to understand… Read more »

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IRL If you need a paycheck and to learn the business from the inside before you can do it then consulting is the way to go. If you can get hired on with a firm that focuses on the b2b or tech fields you are interested in you can get paid to be trained and run scout missions. You have some flexibility on salary with your cash buffer to make up the difference. You can take a lower paying position that provides you the learning amd access opportunities you need. Be the guy who wants to do the field work,… Read more »

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@Sentient Ok so I’ve neark finished Mystery Method but I haven’t yet actually analysed my weaknesses. In the meantime I was out Friday night with my friend and his 16 year old son who has approach anxiety so I hit on three sets of two in the same bar and dragged him in to prove women don’t bite. One set I didn’t video, the second set I put on a video call with Playdontpay via WhatsApp because they had claimed to be posh and living in an upmarket area and I’d questioned this. Since he lives in their area I… Read more »

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The tkzLq1y clip is only the girl saying you look stressed. Not sure if you meant to post a different clip. From this clip it’s obvious you have good verbals and are glib. Which is good, but not sufficient right? Good game is about being ruthless. Ruthlessness requires doing what is required in the moment to get the bang. It might be push it might be pull it might be leading it might be kino it might be backing off. It’s ALWAYS calibrated to the feedback loops you’re getting and knowing where you are in the process. So That clip… Read more »

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I’ll re post later, I edited it badly.

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@Sentient I’ve looked at the footage and in don’t think that I can expand it here really but it is the right clip. I had been trying to drag my mates son into each set but he was sat there with his arse super glued to the stool clutching his drink petrified… we’d been bantering him all day and he’d been fighting back well. It was a boys night. The interaction had gone something like this : After open of set PS sits down immediately next to girls and a bit of small talk. PS friend and his son are… Read more »

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Palma After open of set PS sits down immediately next to girls and a bit of small talk. Good. The other girls around will see you. girl asking what I’ve been doing that day.. Good. IOI no wonder I’m stressed (DLV I know but delivery was in humour) … self deprecation is usually bad… might have got away with it Self deprecation is fine when it is patently ironic… The problem with chodes is it’s not ironic. Same thing with ‘gay” humor. It’s fine if it’s obvi you’e not gay. when it’s in question is the rub. The “wet baby… Read more »

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A lot of guys here can’t open. Opening is good but is not sufficient. It is what follows that makes or breaks things. That is why I say don’t stress the open. The open is just a gambit to bring everything else. Sure you CAN blow things open with a spectacular “brute force” open… But it is not consistent. [see apocalypse open] and you must still lead the interaction to sex. Actually a powerful open can bite you in the ass if you can’t follow it up. Venus Flytrap Game has generally been better. Lure them in slowly and build… Read more »

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@Sentient Ok – ‘comfort is where the game is won or lost.’ I was out earlier in the week on my own and I had another one literally in hysterics for a large part of the evening. She was coming back to the well time after time in a group environment and each time it escalated. She was all over me, IOI and touching me etc… walking down the street linking arm etc.. I moved on without doing a traditional number close because I had her on the app anyway and then I got this: https://imgur.com/gallery/t8jJkeo I thought ‘are you… Read more »

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@Palma: some girls (due to personality or circumstances) need very little comfort (they still need some – they at least need to think you’re not going to harm them).

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You can pull with very little comfort, You need to lead the interaction quickly though. and the worse your logistics the harder. Good luck trying to get her back after the bang – ASD/Buyer’s Remorse, or on a day 2 if you didn’t bang. I don’t even want to count how many I’ve blown it over the years by not consciously doing the comfort stage. A little comfort will lead to more consistency. Page 53 SEQUENCING MISTAKE #3: TO START AT THE BEGINNING BUT SKIP THE MIDDLE AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE END Every beginning and ending has a middle,… Read more »

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Boys – you got me I’m missing the comfort stage. That’s why I have been backing off from FNL’s because they’re not returning. I thought it was buyers remorse from ASD and I thought the answer was to string it out over 3 dates and not hit too hard. However theres also buyers remorse from zero comfort. And Failure to close from zero comfort Where I have been giving comfort it’s been by accident for various reasons. IAS – you need a script and a process which increases your odds across the board. It’s weak sales to avoid objection handling… Read more »

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Pay close attention on how you transition into Comfort… There is a lot of qualifying and push taking place in A3 that you need to get through before you get into too much comfort…

“She must be baited to invest herself
in this interaction. ”

Page 126…

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@sentient

I’m not blowing smoke but I think I do have an awful lot of it covered because I’ve had enough practice to gauge real time attraction including making them qualify and invest.

The really difficult bit is dissecting what I’m already doing and getting comfort in the right place and making it flow.

I’m gonna take apart the memories of a standard venue bounce script I have and try to work it forward from there.

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@Sentient Ok so comfort. I’m gonna practice on that one that said she was uncomfortable. I sent her this a week after she kicked me out.. not so subtle she’s in the 99.99% and not ‘special’ she replied within 10 minutes. https://imgur.com/gallery/t8jJkeo She’s at a group event in a few days and I’m going to hit her again, piss take about her being a prude / become a nun / not my type / blah blah blah But this time I’m going to build comfort and get her to a date or a FNL.. I might even record it if… Read more »

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@IRL So I’ve thought through your position which if I am correct is that you moved half way round the world with your family to pursue an opportunity and it flunked and you are now there with a limit on resources and considering starting in business. A bit of background – firstly I only ever started one business by consciously going into it. That was when I was 28 and it was property. I did it while I had another job which gave me freedom and a funded car and covered my living expenses. It took several years before it… Read more »

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One last thing

Don’t get emotionally invested in a business – it’s not your baby. While persistence is important, if it’s a dud then give it bullet and move on.

Oh, and in case I forgot to mention it:

Banker is Wanker.

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Some solid gold tips there Palma… Let me add something about OPM. “Other People’s Money”. You can use it very advantageously if your work out the details right (no guarantees, you control operations and revenue acquisition etc.). Keep in mind that less than 100% of something valuable is more than 100% of something worthless. Yes – YOU WILL get “fucked” in the end if you do not have effective control. However you can hive off stacks on the way… My first business I put in exactly $0 in equity for 50%. I had the idea and had all the knowledge.… Read more »

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Hello guys, First off, bear with me on my spelling and grammar, since I’m not a native English speaker. This post will be rather long, so I’ll add a Too Long Didn’t Read (TLDR) at the end. An introduction to myself: I’m in my early 40s, married for nearly 9 years, have a single son who is almost 7 yo. I’m fit, have all my finances in order, stable job, and currently consider myself a 7 or 8 on the “post 40 yo male” SMV. My wife has the same age as I have (she is only a couple of… Read more »

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welcome.

I’m a classic needy Alpha

Yeah – where was the Alpha again?

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Hairy

You seem like a Blue Pill pussy. That is why nothing is working for you.

Have you read Rollo?

The very next day, she starts with shit testing again

And you go back to failing them. Fix that, and things will change…

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@Sentient 7:00am:

Thanks for the warm welcome!

Yes, I’ve read Rollo! Hence, I’m here at his page looking for advice on how to pass the fucking shit tests!

I’ve tried the amused mastery, didn’t work.

I’ve tried the “not giving a fuck approach”, and also doesn’t seem to work.

Sentient, are you married? Or divorced? If you haven’t been married, any advice from you will be worthless, because, as Rollo himself said: marriage is Red Pill on hard mode! And if you, Mr. Sentient, haven’t been in a marriage of almost a decade, then you’re not even close to knowing what “hard mode” is.

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Well I’m looking at my third decade cupcake.

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@Navel.. I didn’t say it would be easy.. but stick with it. You retain enough IOI’s from your wife to turn this on my opinion and if you don’t youll be in exactly the same position in two years with your next woman but you will have lost your son. Start with passing the shit tests and running dread game. Plus read the books.

Forget identifying yourself as Alpha or Beta. You’re not in control of your marriage. Fix that first.

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Hey navel calm down.. if the medicine doesn’t hurt it doesn’t work…

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HairyNavel You’re not in control of your marriage. Palma – worse than that – he’s not in control of himself. That’s why he has all this anger… He…. Just. Wants. It. To. Happen. Dammit! Even his decision on divorce… He’s in between. When you are in the middle of the road you get run over. And nothing is his fault. Anger is rarely sexy. Anger communicates you don’t have agency over a situation. You need to own up to your shortcomings Hairy, and go reread the books. You know desire can’t be negotiated? You even do evo-bio/psych brah? Loading...

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@ Sentient: 30 years married? Any kids? Tell me that not even once in those 30 years you thought of giving your little cupcake the boot? Not once got tired of all shit testing? Good for you! You are holier than me! Shit testing daily leads to mental and physical exhaustion, which leads to frustration, which leads to anger, which will eventually lead to jadedness. No need to reread any of these books, which are all one and the same; just different words regarding the same male drama! I guess I came here impulsively, and I regret doing so. Anyways,… Read more »

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Where’s @J at?

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Hairy

That’s the kind of pussy shit I was talking about.

There is plenty of help here for you, from me and many others.

But you don’t get what you want right when you want it and you throw a bossy and split.

How will you ever pass a shit test?

Do you know what happens when you pass?

Lol.

You pass… Passing changes things.

Go if you want to. If you want to learn stay.

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Dodging shit tests?

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@Navel

He hasn’t dodged them he’s handled them.

And you haven’t plus your wife is still interested which is why you’re still getting them hard and fast.

I suggested you come here for a reason but it’s up to you.

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@Harry, ANYBODY here who bothers to comment to you is using their time they could have spent elsewhere. Start there knowing that they care enough to do that. Once you admit that, know that some people here come at you directly to HELP YOU bust down your own buffers faster. Call that method a shit test if you will, but you failed Sentient’s approach and go all “I’m done with this shit.” He knows what he’s saying. You calling yourself “alpha 1.0” or whatever is a buffer, dude! How you handled the simplest ribbing here proves you are nothing near… Read more »

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Hairy see if you can see yourself in this… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkjfZctGMq8 Blake: Let me have your attention for a moment! So you’re talking about what? You’re talking about…(puts out his cigarette)…bitching about that sale you shot, some son of a bitch that doesn’t want to buy, somebody that doesn’t want what you’re selling, some broad you’re trying to screw and so forth. Let’s talk about something important. Are they all here? Williamson: All but one. Blake: Well, I’m going anyway. Let’s talk about something important! (to Levene) Put that coffee down!! Coffee’s for closers only. (Levene scoffs) Do you think I’m… Read more »

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Hey a sit..

Old school. Always be closing.. but you forgot consolidation.. or .. err .. comfort 😬

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Why would anyone use the avatar screen name HarryNavel? I sometimes forget to understand what the concept of navel gazing is. So I have to look it up. navel-gazing: Engaging in self-absorbed behavior, often to the point of being narcissistic. na·vel-gaz·ing: noun self-indulgent or excessive contemplation of oneself or a single issue, at the expense of a wider view. navel-gazing noun [ U ] UK ​ /ˈneɪ.vəlˌɡeɪ.zɪŋ/ US ​ /ˈneɪ.vəlˌɡeɪ.zɪŋ/ humorous disapproving ​the activity of spending too much time considering your own thoughts, feelings, or problems It seems to me it should be labeled a verb. That escalated quickly before… Read more »

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@SJF

He’s a decent enough bloke, he’s South American. He has a nice looking wife and he’s just struggling to unplug like a lot have.

Remind me where I said that everyone I give the book to never speaks to me again !

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@PalmaSailor Is this someone you know and trust? to make it through triage? (two separate questions.) I get that english as a second language is a problem. South American is probably a cultural problem too. Too willing to call himself some sort of Alpha when there is no evidence of that either. I get that men not having release from constraint (and not getting blow jobs everyday from their wife is a problem). I get that there is a burden of performance. For the record, I’d like Gazing Navel to stay and get a participation award here. Maybe even learn… Read more »

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Oh, and PalmaSailor: Kudos for not dying from a melanoma (or two) you neglected to find in time. Life is short make the best of it.

Have to have your wits about you.

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@Everyone: HairyNavel reminds me a bit of where I was a few years ago. Except he has a kid and a great deal more of ego getting in his own way. I’m probably spending too much of my time on this, but thinking about this will help me progress as well. @HairyNavel I’m a bit younger than you, I’ve been married for over 10 years. My N=1 (wife) until early this year. Now my N=2, which is probably lower than your own lifetime N-count. I discovered the Red Pill more or less when you did. Make of that what you… Read more »

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@Everyone,
@HairyNavel

BTW, lest I also get all ego in my way, this was quite recent. Sex with wife, shit tests after, I fail. Read it, HairyNavel.

https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-70/#comment-239106

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@ All Thanks – He’s not a personal friend but he is one of the guys that encouraged me to publish my book. It’s not a literary masterpiece but it did do me a look of good to go through that so I am grateful to him and a few others for that. I’d rather see most men come through this and with two minor tweaks in his actions he will but these will be major changes in his mindset so they’re going to be a difficult pill for him to swallow. I’ll let him cam down and pick the… Read more »

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IAS – nice breakdown.

Palma – I’m lolling this is a guy you know… haha. Tell him to get his ass in gear.

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@Sentient So the thing is I’ve NEVER gone after another mans wife. In fact the opposite. However things change and I’m at the stage in my life and in terms of women where I don’t want to own it, or rent it, but just joy ride it. Then return it to its owner for repair and maintenance so I can joy ride it again next week / month. I need 9-10 of these I think then I could reduce activity to just replacing dropped / broken plates. For some time now I’ve thought that what I want is the wife… Read more »

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Palma Well if that’s what you want… I thought you wanted younger girls like Scribb… Doesn’t matter Two words – Secret Society “They hang out together in clumps in several bars and I am adept at opening the sets of them using Palma Sailor shotgun / bat to the fence game. ” Yeah I know these clumps. There is one place by me I can go by a table of them most nights and they are just gagging for it. One time one of them turned to the table while I was chatting and said “you see what I mean!”… Read more »

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@Sentient

I want to be able to consistently pick up whatever is there if I decide I want it without resorting to ‘boyfriend game’.

Younger is better but I want a rotation and my life exposes me to totally different sets at different times at totally different locations.

My buddy knows that’s what he’s doing and it gets him what he wants so I leave him alone with it.

Secret society – noted – thanks.

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@Sentient

by the way

“My being married is a good prop to dissuade them of any monkey branching notions.”

I have a very good Rich Alpha but blue pill friend in an outwardly happy marriage.

Women at the tennis club are often overheard asking ‘whats his marriage like?’

I’m sure you know that.

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(lol I just typed that in and reloaded comments before sending to notice Sentient has covered most of it) @Palma Your friend triggers the Provider (BB) algorithm in their hindbrain. Maybe at the beginning he pings off as a Lover (AF), especially if they’re bored at home and he has an adventurous/edgy aura to it. But over time, their hindbrain collects more intel about his behavioral patterns, core beliefs, moral code, fears, needs, lifestyle, resources etc. He doesn’t disqualify himself as a Provider… it’s still on the table… and they want it ALL (incl. fried ice). More fitness tests, more… Read more »

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BTW @Sentient @Palma, great feedback upthread, much appreciated. Exactly the pointers I needed, thanks!

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You know you want the 18 year old girls really, Palma! smile
PS – You in the UK I take it?

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Correct, I do. But as a larger agenda I want to reliably get what I want consistently.

If all that’s available is a milf because I have travelled wherever and I want it on the rotation for a bit then I want to be able to get in on my terms.

I am in the UK. You?

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Yeah, I live near Gatwick airport.

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Ohhhhh well we could hit town VERY easily if you’re up for it?

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Scars

If you want mail me and we’ll sort something – a critical wing would be interesting

PalmaSailor@outlook dot com

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you won’t get much ‘critiquing’ from me! haha. I’m a relatively unsuccessful newbie and it sounds like you’ve banged more girls than most of us here combined so you should probably be the one giving the tips!

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We’ll hit me up and we’ll do town.. it’ll be fun

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@Palma

all that’s available is a milf

Come on now!

@scars, go meet him… and slap him!

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@All

Hairy Navel has gone, I’ll spare you the details but you know what happened.

Thank you all for your efforts.

I have probably given out 7-8 copies of Rational Male and none on the men have spoken to me since.

That gentlemen is the scale of the societal programming and the challenge we face.

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Hairy Navel has gone, I’ll spare you the details but you know what happened.

His eyes hurt too much?

His tl;dr was like old times. Like a comment too big for the box that turned into a series of comments on MMSL back when Athol still ran it. Or something off of a subthread at Spearhead back before Welmer zeroed it. Or…or….or…or. Any of several places, and the story isn’t new.

Well, as long as he holds onto the book(s) you sent him, there’s a chance.

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@AR I think that the major problem we have is that we are teaching people to look externally for solutions and to lay blame. One way or another I’ve always had the mindset that the solutions, blame (and credit) for your circumstances are found in the mirror. Difficult sometimes, but that’s where it is. Without internalising that your life just doesn’t improve and what we are seeing is a spiral of external blame as people’s lives get worse and worse because they refuse to take responsibility. They’re hung up on entitlement and virtue signalling rather than getting on with shit… Read more »

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@Palmasailor,

“Hairy Navel has gone, I’ll spare you the details but you know what happened.”

Nah, man, don’t spare us the details. Field reports are for details. How exactly did it go down? Please describe the words, mannerisms, etc. Do you know if he even read the comments after his initial “I’m done with this shit” comment?

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@Newlyaloof Well he says he didn’t go back after his comment. I called him and left a voice message asking him to take the weekend off Han out with the boys, clear his head and come back on Monday because the commenters had been through what he has and though it was going to be tough he could still get through it. For the record he has a hot wife who falls into submission the moment he even gets it half right so I am convinced “HE” can turn it. Probably 3 months work. I then got another epic TLDR… Read more »

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He did however thank me and wish me well. That’s more than anyone else has done after I give them the book though!

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It’s really a form of therapy. They have to be ready to want to do it.

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^^ exactly. He’s in his cave licking his wounds. When he comes out I’ll go again if he’s ready. @ Sentirent – in other news I’ve just got home from walking into the town centre and I walked past the woman who messaged me saying she just wasn’t comfortable etc.. This time I’m properly dressed, shirt shoes jacket pocket square & haircut. So I smiled and said “hi” – kiss on cheek Her “did you go last night” (to the other social) Me “yep – the usual social rejects – I didn’t stay long” her: Touched my arm – “look… Read more »

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Palma No doubt. Calibration too. Like your FR on the other post after the “sucked off” (I lolled) and she got up a good skill to have is to walk a comment back. Just a smile, a touch in the arm, something like “I’m just messing with you” and shift into a story or something like ” so tell me what are up to tonight” etc. It’s a game. Back and forth, finding balance. A lot of the time an over the top comment, they like it but they are “required” to act offended etc. When you roll back a… Read more »

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Game is deep when you want to get good at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDTw2ZZ540k

Old school strategy session – with baby Tyler – for RSD fanbois who think RSD isn’t rooted in MM…

Classic clip Mystery turning a girls barrage of shit tests around

https://www.gotpickup.com/mystery-uses-a-routine-stack-and-deals-with-shit-tests/

Deeeeeep

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@PalmaSailor “For the record he has a hot wife who falls into submission the moment he even gets it half right so I am convinced “HE” can turn it. Probably 3 months work.” That’s the shame there. Harry Navel does have lots of potential from what he described. And he’s not going to get where he wants to with the Red Pill Awareness but retain Blue Pill ideals, Athol Kay style of game. Every single time he doesn’t respond properly to a shit test, he is letting his wife down. He probably can’t spot a shit test for what it… Read more »

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@Sentient / IRL So IRL sent me this link on secret society. https://bristollair.com/2008/inner-game/nature-reality/secret-society/ Just as a first observation my plate no.1 that comes to fuck when her bf is away doesn’t insist on a condom. That’s mad right? Especially when she used to in the early days we were dating. But the entire interaction with her is congruent with secret society rules. So moving on to the “I’m not comfortable girl” that I over cooked without enough comfort and has now come back suggesting she should give me a chance. I pulled and spiked on the night but blew it… Read more »

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The thing is he’s in his cave with a boulder over the door.

He has to left there until he comes out in his own time and confront himself.

Yes it’s a shame. But he isn’t out of time until the shit tests stop. Counting down 10,9,8…….

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Palma I think you should examine your mental models… via conventional means and get the lay which would fast lead her into BF GF territory I’m not interested in. What are “conventional means”? And why would a lay have to move into BF/GF territory? “Secret Society” is a mental model, a mindset and ultimately a display of “just getting it”… Nothing more. “Secret society” game is just really good game. “Just getting it” is really good game. If you “just got it” all the time it would move smoothly to the lay, because you are speaking Cat-o-nese… when we don’t… Read more »

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palma I then got another epic TLDR email thanking me but blaming women / society / the Russians / Elon musk / the moon landings / Everything else for the “problem with women”. He’s still in anger phase. Someone somewhere somehow done gone and messed up his woman so someone else gotta pay. Immature and counterproductive, but there it is. Many men have gone through that, he’s nothing special or unique. One thing he could do with that anger is put on The Glasses and intensely pour over red pill materials, starting with Rollo’s book you gave him. Plus that… Read more »

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But he isn’t out of time until the shit tests stop.

Not necessarily, remember HABD’s “guard dog spinup”? Navel could be heading for that.

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I summon the spirit of HABD…. ohhhhmmmmm

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Yup well I could have just closed it there and then but I’m playing with it at the moment. We were 50 yards from my front door, its Friday pm here, I could have bought her back for coffee, escalated as normal and banged her. N=N+1. No problem. But I don’t want N+1, I want another plate thats on the rotation. I’m not ‘just doing’ what I normally do because I’ve established that I am not running the comfort part of the script properly so I’m questioning everything, and the whole point of this process is to improve the consistency… Read more »

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@Palma Just as a first observation my plate no.1 that comes to fuck when her bf is away doesn’t insist on a condom. That’s mad right? Especially when she used to in the early days we were dating. Consistent with AF/BB and Rollo, no? Condoms are quite a recent invention. Evo-bio über alles. Is there a script for that beyond saying something like “I was going to hang out with a girlfriend tonight but her boyfriend came home early and blew it so I decided not to waste the shower” And “I just can’t be micromanaged by women in my… Read more »

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“OK I’ve answered my own question. Should have just fucked her and then put her in rotation.”

She can’t be a plate until she’s been fucked, right?

And “secret society” just getting it, part of that is understanding they may come and go. But you are cool. All good feelings. You’re the sex guy, not the rom-com guy.

Trouble is when you want to rom-com… lol But that’s down the road.

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“She can’t be a plate until she’s been fucked, right?”

I find that the real sex starts on the 3rd fuck.

You can’t escalate to the sort of sex it needs to be, or I want before that.

Hence I’ve stopped bothering with FNL’s.

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“You can’t escalate to the sort of sex it needs to be, or I want before that.” This is the comfort thing again… You should read The Thin Man and PureEvil on sedfast. Thin Man has a system for building comfort over day2-3 and geared towards Over 30’s women… https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/13706-the-over-33-technique-thread?p=202087#post202087 PureEvil hates LMR and does a day 2-3 to get the kind of immersive sex he wants… can’t find the thread atm. I mean Mystery was the same, he wanted women really really into him. In love… Hence the 7 hour thing. so much comfort and trust being built up.… Read more »

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Yes ref FNL sex – exactly – they go berserk and do everything. But they feel like total sluts in the morning and they blow out..

Thats why I work up over 3 lays. Build enough comfort that they can be totally filthy and still come back for more.

They’re not REALLY like that, JUST when they’re in the bedroom with ME.

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“But they feel like total sluts in the morning and they blow out..” comfort… a little aftercare. yareally’s egg mcMuffin… Here is the link to PureEvil https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/hall-of-fame/14327-3-day-game-how-to-get-best-first-time-sex-with-no-lmr-and-how-to-fuck-that-particular-girl You need to register to view. You might want to it’s free. If not here are some excerpts from an old post: And – I hesitate to point this out because it is opposite of “Be Ruthless” mind training, but I am trusting you are astute enough to not make it a buffer – there is NOTHING wrong with Day 2 etc. set up… Just keep in mind that this is not anymore… Read more »

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Takes me about 6-7 lays to get them in this state

https://imgur.com/gallery/W9PScRT

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@Sentient I summon the spirit of HABD…. ohhhhmmmmm lol…got a tingle in the force…lol… you and IRL and AR and SJF have been giving palmasailor great advice… and while i disagree with his characterization, i’m pretty sure we all know that it was me he doesn’t want weighing in on his situ… and bc he asked, i’m respecting that request… bc even if he doesn’t understand it, i really do want him to be ((more)) successful with girls… as far as Hairy Navel… he has to hit enough of a bottom to realize that his current approach to his life… Read more »

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ps… @IAS…

great breakdown on Hairy Navel’s FR…

good luck!

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Wow, I missed IAS’ breakdown earlier. That was awesome and on target I AS. Also missed Palma’s comment on Hairy baby encouraging him to write his book. That’s telling. I’ll tell you why. From reading Palma’s red pill and red pill parenting a son book: PalmaSailor has a great, self-taught masculine talent stack. A natural by his own hand along with admirable business mentors (for his profession). Palma’s a poor role model for the blue pill pussy that Hairy Navel is. I mean, he should look to Palma’s Alpha masculine virtues, but he can’t read Palma’s book and replicate his… Read more »

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Little teaser from Thin Man’s link Opportunistic Meet: I Sat next to a woman on the Acela late afternoon… Typical NY-8 conservative well-dressed vaguely Middle Eastern features (turned out she was half Lebanese.) I smiled light eye flirted and proceeded to read the Times. I noticed she was off and on with OKC on her phone most of the ride. As we neared NY I asked if she was trying to get a date on OKC and if it worked for her… Instant speech, “guys suck, they are all animals, dick for brains morons etc…” Perfect! I listened patiently to… Read more »

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“Deeeeeep” approach neg dhv qualify vulnerability bang and there it is. “you traverse the stairs with such great poise” lol. i bet this guy has been to a renaissance fair. maybe even in some kind of costume. excellent timeless work though. how fame can work against a man in this series: approach: she know of you and approaches. backwards. bad start. neg: skipped. your value is already higher. this is bad. dog must know owner will strike dhv: already done. she already has formed idea of who you are. you already lost narrative control but gained access to much larger… Read more »

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Fuck it. The post is too good. If it is too long for you. Oh well! https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/13706-the-over-33-technique-thread?p=202087#post202087 “The Thin Man’s Over 38 Seduction Before I get to what works for me I have a few observations that I think put the bullet points below in appropriate context. I have linked some key posts at various points, read the links they are helpful in making the points I am trying to make here. This thread started when I commented on a filed report (Linked here) where Tech was put off by a wave of qualification shit testing that I think is… Read more »

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Ok I’m out now in the field again solo

But it takes me 6-7 lays to get them in this state and I’m ok with that element of my game.

https://imgur.com/gallery/HKNlw0G

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Ohhhhh – apparently I’ve breached Imgur community rules so my post has been blocked.

I’ll work out a solution tomorrow..

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“I took her to dinner straight from Penn Station. I asked if she liked beef, “Great I know a place.” And then just took her to a quiet private side street restaurant (with great logistics) without further explanation. “Do you mind if I order…” I order both dinners…(Important to gently question while you do this… I’d like to start with the oysters… Then the fillet for you and the rib eye for me?)” with drinks = $300 “During dinner I get the emotional life story…” she should be paying you $300/hr to listen to her shit. that’s another $300 in… Read more »

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There are many ways to skin the pussy fleez… Guys need to find what they enjoy doing and works for them.

[btw – Thin Man is pretty well off, has his own company and writes off a lot of this stuff. But he enjoys a bit of “flamboyance”]

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“Guys need to find what they enjoy doing and works for them.” absolutely. ” Thin Man is pretty well off, has his own company and writes off a lot of this stuff.” his bids are out of control, but I guess that’s the point. the thirstiest men set the pussy price it’s then up to guys with game to undercut that price overheard in gym: yoga teacher late 30s: “and on his way out he stole my truck” beta herb: “that’s horrible. how long were you with him?” teacher: “5 years. I paid the rent, paid for his stuff, everything”… Read more »

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