For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
One more thing… looks like a post is lost…
When we got to talking about jealousy I started seeding NLP things like “well you just get swept up in the moment, you know…” “The heart wants what the heart wants” “You can’t fight attraction… it’s not a choice”… with hard lasering.
@Sentient HABD “surely you jest” soooo my take is she is turned on, but slowing herself down. likely ‘ASD/don’t burn a local hangout’ in play… if this is a neighborhood meeting spot, she doesn’t want to become the latest gossip item…lol… aaand… a secret society dude would KNOW that…lol… OR…. I work to hide my displeasure… = chasing… you don’t think girls pick up on subcomms?…lol… She is seated with her knees facing towards me and her body straight. What is interesting is she starts to turn her face forward while talking to me, but keeping her knees close to… Read more »
Thanks Habd. Clear nothing further good is going to happen in situ… need to bounce her fast next time. I think I’ll suggest she ride me over to her place to check out the progress, leave my car, so there is some PD about coming back for it etc.
hmmmm.
Sentient, HABD Hank Forge PUA gang Travel to new city (well new-ish: I used to visit as a kid, and then have gone back on work a few times in the last two years but usually go out with friends etc – not one of the cities where I regularly pull online girls). This was the first time I decided to actually go out and see how the night went. It’s quite big, lots of hotels and bars and stuff in the downtown area, reasonably busy even weekday. I had an online date flake on me at the last minute… Read more »
Sentient – just read that DT girl FR.
Started laughing when I got to the NLP stuff about being “cocky” etc. Are you actually doing NLP to try it out or just cos it’s kind of funny and self-amusing to seed innuendo? In fact, what do you guys think of NLP?
Interesting how such small things in body language can be so meaningful and worth discussing like the turning face away while keeping knees close stuff.
(also yeah, clear ASD move from her in that particular coffee shop – it’s the same one right – you’ve written a bunch of coffee shop FRs and I assume it’s always the same one so everyone there must know you..)
@Culum props on getting out the door without the online dating crutch… I had an online date flake on me at the last minute – typical early 40s HB6 from online that I seem to be banging on a conveyor belt these days. [head smack]… too lazy to find the gif…lol… Anyway, went first into fancy hotel bar..Majority of guys in suits, not that many girls but quality decent. Only about 7pm, but I was shattered from another red eye flight and a full day of work but I wanted to go out for a couple hours at least. Wearing… Read more »
Culum Fucking Struan… Jeezus man!… A scant few weeks ago what did I say ? https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-4/#comment-186237 “Culum – imagine an elevator… in your hotel… you are on it, a girl joins… what happens?” Did you think this was some random scenario? My blood pressure is up now… Holy shit… Obviously I posed the scenario so you could prepare… because this shit happens all the time… “There’s a good bar on that floor..you could have gone there” (while lasering her – I could swear her pupils were huge) and she kind of smiled and looked a bit shy and went “But… Read more »
I could swear her pupils were huge
She was probably a little drunk too… Paging GLL!!!
Get your hands on her… open your arms and watch what happens… half the time she will walk into them.
“What is interesting is she starts to turn her face forward while talking to me, but keeping her knees close to me… I assume she is trying to slow down the laser… HABD what is your take on this posture?” To add a bit of nuance to HABD/Culum, notice that there’s two signals here – how her face is and how her legs are. Which one will the most people around you notice? Which one are you the most likely to exclusively notice? She’s trying to code ‘fuck me’ to you while also coding ‘nothing of the sort is happening… Read more »
I’ll get to the FR’s later, g2g.
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Back on this…
But I DON’T understand what was going on with the guys – especially the dude in the handmade suit who came in and said hello to me etc despite it being obvious
OK I missed that the 30YO opened you, not the older guy… Not gay. same thing though, he recognized you as a potential threat and forced an interaction… slight social dominance. You are on the radar. “I see you”.
I picked up on that too. Thanks for dispelling the gay thing. Those situations can be fun as older, leadership types are used to everyone backing down as they control purse strings, everyone supplicates. Watch the confused futile aggression as you AMOG him, subtly or not so, it’s up to you. He can’t fire you. Heh. Game on. Weeks back I was in a group dinner of strangers. I’m in the aisle and pull a chair up to the guy table. The women had their own table. There was an older local politician among them, I was dropping names, from… Read more »
ehhhhhhh…..
. As her brother talked to the bartender, the HB7 turned away back to the bar and *again* locked EC with me, gave me a big smile and raised her glass to me.
Say it with me in German Culum, she said what?
As her brother talked to the bartender, the HB7 turned away back to the bar and said, “Ich möchte, dass du mich fickst!!!“
Take the cotton out of your ears..
She said what???!!!???
One more bit, if this is a real question for you… which at this point I dunno…. This is basic cold approach stuff Not sure how I could have logistically managed to make moves on the sister – clearly the IOIs were there, but not sure how I could have isolated/had more time with her, with the layout of hte bar etc. Soooo… first you GO OVER TO HER… you have to cross the rubicon… go all in on the set. Especially because some of these hotel bars are BIG and can be sparse… Like one time at a bar… Read more »
As her brother talked to the bartender, the HB7 turned away back to the bar and said, “Ich bin wahnsinnig geil. Komm’ doch, du Lieber.
Ohhh…. and to create more time… and more liminal space opportunity… Order a drink and suggest she have another… easy…
“I’ll think I’ll have one more… ” Point to her glass, eye contact… “Have another” a question but posed as a statement, command. Because you are sure she will say yes.
And her agreeing and staying especially when she said she wanted to leave tells you what again????!!!
Hahaha – just scanning through. Okay point taken guys (and thanks).
Will reply in more detail tomorrow.
HABD Culum On this motion her over… you could do this but it is a high risk high reward play… a low percentage play IMO. Most girls will instinctively know to wave back to YOU and have you come over to her… and there is the trap if you will. Yes you can overcoming it, but know you are starting on the back foot, spotting her a point. If you do go over I suggest a neg “Hey yeah I was going to tell you it looked like you had something in your teeth… [wait] Oh looks like you got… Read more »
Rollo – thoughts on sorting Field Report comments newest to oldest?
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/09/04/common-beta-male-body-language-mistakes/#comment-614458
HABD – remember these contests? LOL Culum we may need to introduce them over here…
OK Gamesters… Here is the scenario… You are on the 20th floor of a 4 star hotel… You called for a down elevator. The elevator comes down from the 28th floor and the door opens. This is what you see ^^^^. Let’s hear your best openers and your game… The clock is ticking… you have just 20 floors… about a minute or two.
Go!
@Rollo, @Sentient: ordering from new to old would be a significant improvement over the current section.
An alternative I proposed would be to have navigation buttons that take you to newest comment Right now is just
It could be
<< first/oldes comment newest comments >>
Apparently by trying to use something to make arrows I stumbled upon some code.
What I mean is that right now we have
older comments and newer comments buttons which take you one page back or forward.
It would be good to have also oldest comments (takes to first page) and especially newest comments button which takes you to whatever is currently the last page.
But reversing the ordering would also work well, so I support Sentient’s proposal.
@Sentient: If I was in suitable state and managed to open, I’d go with some situational opener based on her clothes (which stand out a bit, so she’ll probably be expecting people to notice her).That is leather on the bottom half and a see-through on the top half? “Where are you going, dressed liked that? Somewhere fancy?” If I had enough presence of mind I might manage to say something about the super obvious zipper. Then she probably just nods or whatever and I fizzle which is what typically happens to my opens with regular girls. On the subway mostly;… Read more »
“I almost wore the same thing tonight.”
Of course, it’s all in the delivery.
@Sentient What if time. 4 star 20th floor,she is coming down from the 28th,trash punk look must have cost her $600 to pull off.I know I am here in a $400 suit but still way higher value.What time is it,why is she leaving the party so early? My first move is to put her at ease,hold the door and ask if she is sure she wants to do this,the lower 19floors are a scooby doo convention,maybe we should take the stairs.If we trade shoes she can carry me what size feet? This may open her but she looks reflective and… Read more »
My spouse suggested my line would probably work better with the first picture (the black dress…”glad I didn’t wear that same black dress, would’ve been awkward” or some such). Because the girl in the elevator is obviously going for a certain look and it might come across as mocking.
@Sentient
HABD – remember these contests? LOL Culum we may need to introduce them over here…
yep… i LOVED doing those…lol… it’s great practice… and really helps tune in your RP ‘seeing what is actually in front of you’ lens…
Culum should definitely run the analysis/approach on this one… (and about 20 or so MORE elevator scenarios…lol)
good luck!
@Sentient, how about going with acting like you’ve already met in the past?
You: Oh, hey you. How have you been?
Come on guys… it’s Friday… the elevator door is closing… what do you do?
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some situational opener based on something I observe on them, brief chat where they are receptive but then I fizzle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baICtohlLGo
James Marshall has some advice for you…
Newlyaloof https://youtu.be/0cIlDtv5f48?t=799 James Marshall using the “sorry I’m so late” false familiarity gambit… One I like has two steps, the first is to lull… Me:”Hey…. [LOUD to focus her, then point] Don’t I know you?” This is the old “haven’t we met before” line… they all heard it… so they are lulled into “ehhhh another line” state… Her:”I don’t think so.” keep lulling… Me:”Yeh yeh, we met at that bar last week” [close space and start the laser… closing space is key] Her:”No not me” she is lulled… Drop Step 2 – Me:”Yup… You owe me twenty bucks!” Boom! off… Read more »
Newly 13:20 on that clip. Don’t know why the time stop didn’t paste…
@Sentient, thanks. I’ve seen that clip before. I like that style of fun role play. Honest Signalz’s Vadim is also a dude whose style I like. I’ve done one of these approaches before. The girl was confused for a bit and was the one to ask where we’ve met before. I asked her for her name, shook her hand as I gave her mine and said, “Yeah, we met about … 6 … maybe 7 seconds ago. Didn’t bang her, but still self amused. P.S. Last night, flirted with this big-titted bartender at a new place I’m establishing myself with.… Read more »
Newly? You OK man? Why would you care about her relationship status? For real. They all have some guy somewhere… I would only neg/tease them about Valentine’s Day – of them being gold diggers… Or them getting some painful stuffed bear or Sip & Go boxed candy or something… “Oh that’s sooo sweet. Your guy must be such a romantic. Does he give foot rubs?” Nice for you.” Boyfriend destroyer stuff… Agreeing that the guy is just the sweetest nicest most docile gentleman… and setting yourself up as the opposite. “this tip is your Valentine gift from me to buy… Read more »
@Sentient, I ask the question in a way where the word “boyfriend” doesn’t have to come up, and I get to see how that affects logistical concerns and convo flow. If she says she’s getting flowers, I’ll know to boyfriend destroy. if she says she’s getting nothing, negs follow. It’s a feeler. I made the comment about using the tip, which I already gave her a minute earlier, to get chocolate as a comedic tie-back to her comment earlier. I saw her last week and she was wearing glasses, which was different than the time I saw her the week… Read more »
Newly… Whew… glad you expanded on your comments… Here is a take for you and your comedic chops, you got me thinking about V day… So You:What are you getting for Valentine’s Day? Her: [whatever she says does not matter… chocolate, roses, nothing… what you want is her to ask you, which is ideal, if not you can still plow with this] You: Ok.. hmm hmm.. Her: What about you? You: Hmmm An orgasm… [deadpan…. pause] They say it’s better to give than to receive but…. [laser] I’m not tooooo sure about that…. Right? [the right is the key part…… Read more »
@Sentient, damn, man! Had me bust out laughing/coughing on that “an orgasm” line! Stealing that for sure.
@forge
do you know of any other medicine for sleep. to sleep easier, get better quality sleep.
I was looking back through the medicines and herbs you receommended a while back, but none of those will really help my issues. its less motivation, reducing anxiety, extra energy as it is just getting better quality sleep.
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Here’s a link for a description of my general Game and getting-laid problems lol: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/02/10/how-to-draw-a-woman-into-sensual-conversation/#comment-843406 Today is Day 6 of the 30 Day Challenge. I’ll do a Field Report on the past 5 days: Day 1: Approached 1 girl. This was a direct approach. We chatted for a few seconds. Then I asked if she was single, and she said she wasn’t, so then we shook hands and parted. Day 2: Approached 1 girl. This one was an indirect approach because I wasn’t actually sure how old she was lol. We chatted for a good amount of time and things… Read more »
@Palmasailor Good points. Lol what’s weird is honestly I don’t really give a shit about if she’s single or not. It’s just a question that I’ve asked in the past to a girl, which turned out to be a successful approach landing me a Day 2 (the only Day 2 i ever had through Daygame lol), so because it was a successful line then, I kind of impulsively throw it out. Although last night and the night before I forced myself to stop asking it lol because it didn’t seem to have any benefit. I actually made a note to… Read more »
I’m pretty bummed out @YaReally doesn’t post anymore though. If you ever read this YaReally, please stop by and post sometime lolol. Your RSD vids, especially the stuff on hard cases, really helped me out
Palma
Once you have a couple / three in rotation your entire demeanour will change and they’ll fall in.
Safespace is a 23YO virgin… not quite in plate spinning mode just yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLaQtMUKwo4
The Mystery seminars are back on Youtube… Here is Vol 1. There are 6 from the the same user.
@Sentient Good looks helps… it helps a lot… only spergy fools say “looks don’t matter”. Spergy fools also say that Game can’t overcome bad looks. As has been noted previously, the hottest girls have loads of good looking rich orbiters. So, if you want the hottest girls, will it be more productive to work on Game or looks, assuming you have limited time to do either? If you’re good looking, it really all boils down to simply being the guy that opens his mouth. You and all the other 100 rich good looking orbiters. Good luck with that. Good looking… Read more »
@playpen
I used to post as AverageChump by the way lol
Great job getting out there and approaching!
@palmasailor I’ve really thought about, but due to work/career related reasons a hooker just isn’t an option. I won’t get into the details, but I just fucking can’t lol. Game and pickup is literally my only choice. The pressure – the shitty feeling of being a 23YO virgin – is on my shoulders for sure big time, but my lack of options (no hookers or helpful social circle where I live) is what made me hit “rock bottom”. Like, its hard af to not come off as “needy” cause I psychologically do “need” this shit to work. In order for… Read more »
@asdgamer
thanks man
@Safespaceplayplen: Check the Mystery method videos, read YaReally archive. There is a .pdf compilation of RSDTyler early material and another one of YaReally’s stuff which is probably worth it for you. Obvious tip from your FRs: Do not ask them if they are single. I think it was on Janka’s book and it makes sense: most girls kind of consider not having a boyfriend as a failure on their part, so you are really putting them on the spot and DLV’ing yourself as showing lack of social understanding. Plus, if they do have a boyfriend you are reminding them of… Read more »
Safeplaypen After my opener I basically bombarded her with interview like questions such as – “where do you go to school?”, “what do you do?”, “where are you from?”, etc. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/why-ask-why-shun-the-stale-seven-questions/ Specifically, don’t ask them the following anticipated questions: What’s your name? What do you do? Where do you live? Where are you from? What school did you go to? Where do you work? How do you like it here? This is what every guy does… you are not alone but you can correct it. [side note – if you are radiating alpha and have good body language you can… Read more »
Safeplaypen
Some others to keep in mind.
Rule #1: Don’t get defensive.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/the-rules-of-social-savviness-rule-1/
Rule #2: Don’t Force Conversation Topics.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/the-rules-of-social-savviness-rule-2/
Rule #3: Don’t ask questions when you can make statements instead.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/the-rules-of-social-savviness-rule-3/
Field Report for today and yesterday: Day 6 (yesterday): Approached 1 girl. I spent two hours yesterday walking around. I came across I’d say 5 really good opportunities, but I ended up overthinking and psyching myself out. Later that night, feeling I had to get an approach otherwise I’d be very disappointed in myself for not fulfilling the 30 Day Challenge rule I made up, I went out again and came across a woman at a grocery store. I used an indirect line i’ve never used before: “Excuse me, are you from [insert x location]?” in hopes it would be… Read more »
@Hank Actually attending a seminar on sleep health in like 3 weeks lol. Might have more then. For now, in order of utility: -Melatonin. No-brainer. -Phenibut, which I mentioned earlier. It’s not just an anxiolytic, though it can serve as that; it works as one because it hits higher-up chemistry that basically is on the ‘alertness’ axis. It can help sleep when stress/pain/whatever thing makes you alert would otherwise prevent it or hurt its quality. -Casein Tryptic Hydrolysate. Works good but is a bit short-lived; use to get to sleep not increase quality so much. -L-Tryptophan. Don’t trust this one… Read more »
Quick scanning through the posts – more later in a couple days guys when I’m back in Big City for the next Blitz. @Safespace – welcome, this is a great place to get advice and support. Be sure to check out not just the YaReally Archive in general but the specific post where he links the key resources he recommends for beginners and gives basic beginner advice (but if you’ve watched Mystery Method in full you may have seen all that). Don’t worry about being a 23 year old virgin – I lost my virginity at 24 and I fully… Read more »
That poor girl is going to get to the lobby in silence?
@Culum Struan
lol thanks man. When you started improving your Game though, how often – and in what ways – did you go out and put time in? What were the things you were focused on? How did your focus change as you got better lol?
@safespaceplaypen
I saw three good videos from Honest Signalz last month that really clarified how and when to use indirect vs. direct approaches. Check them out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWZUyPr-igM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS0xZ9jZ2WA
@ newlyaloof
The videos are good. Less dictating what to say, but why to say it, based on experience. That’ll come across less robotic, natural, as the words are organic.
Sent to my boy. He’s at that stage now. No more spoon feeding, conceptual.
Newly Safespace Direct vs indirect are dog distinctions… without difference. In Cat-onese all attention is pretty much interpreted the same way – sexual interest [solipsism yo!]. This is why guys miss returned Cat signalz of sexual interest, i.e. A girl looking at you, a girl raising a glass to you a girl just being close to you etc. Throw out the whole “should I go direct, should I go indirect” thought process… guys that “get it” are guys that know all male female interactions are built on a degree of sexual interest. Free up your mind to just embrace the… Read more »
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@Sentient Heh, I like the elevator drill. I realized that my immediate reaction is ‘freeze up,’ and that’s no good. Time to can some lines. “Hey. So you’ve got a one-minute chance to meet me and you’re gonna spend it staring at your shoes?” Hmm. Maybe a direct open isn’t best in this case, she’s clearly pretty stifled and talking to a stranger in an elevator is a mild breach of social etiquette so she’d be prone to react defensively. Nothing that couldn’t be smoothed over but maybe not before the door opens again and she goes into ‘walk away’… Read more »
“Throw out the whole “should I go direct, should I go indirect” thought process… guys that “get it” are guys that know all male female interactions are built on a degree of sexual interest. Free up your mind to just embrace the interaction and LEAD IT somewhere…” Early on, working with my boy, who he is, talking natural, free form pickup conversation was cat talk. He flatly couldn’t understand it. He could ape it, but the legitimacy was absent. He had enough of poor PUA performance as it ultimately wan’t him. He dropped much of the prechewed lines, and now… Read more »
Good stuff Forge… I realized that my immediate reaction is ‘freeze up,’ Hit it HABD! My first instinct was I like your instinct… I don’t see that as too direct, that is the kind of ambiguous statement that you can make to take yourself out of safe beta mode up front… it isn’t chasing her… Think about it, if she thinks this conveys sexual interest in her… well she is thinking about sex with you… And if she objects to it… you always have the old “whoa there girl, cool your pants off.. Where is your mind?”… to toss back… Read more »
@culum you know of any other places besides meetup.com to find out where events are in your area? I’ve tried looking around…but there really isn’t anything ever happening. There aren’t many groups on meetup.com for where I am, and I’ve found some local sites specifically for the cities…but again, there isn’t usually much going on ever. so I’m trying to figure out if there may be other sites that are better @forge thanks *melatonin I’ve used a few times, but it never has made a difference at all. *phenibut I’ve read is more for short term use, you get accustomed… Read more »
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So I’m 32. I’m nearly a virgin. (Had sex a few times as a kid (like aged 18), and then again at the age of 30 after reading my first ever pickup book! It was just luck, though) Sex has always been something that either ‘happens to other guys’ or something that I used to think people just LIED about having! It just seemed to come too easy to some people for me to actually believe them when they told me their stories. Anyway, i’ve been approaching a few night a week for the last 9 months or so, and… Read more »
@ pitbikemike “In a bar, you see a girl, you open her (maybe you say ”I like your hat!” or whatever). Maybe you can reel of one or 2 mor sentences about hats/fashion or something. ” The PUAs here do a great job. You can do this. Push-pull is helpful when extending a conversation, and keeping her in your frame. You did it here: “me: Like you!! but with blonde hair! (this girl was brunette) This was IMO your best work. It sounded natural, that’ll ping a girl’s hindbrain… Like this: you: ”I like your hat…but they don’t match your… Read more »
Pitbikemike but nothing seems to actually help ‘in the moment’! You need more moments. Your whole report, all of those approaches could easily be one night of focused gaming. Easily. That was just 12 girls… That could be an hour in a crowded venue. DOING THE WORK means doing all the work… Not the easy stuff like reading books or buying videos – the hard work of actually approaching, getting blown out, stuttering, sputtering until you find the calibration point. You need to open way, way, way more girls. What are you doing in the daytime? Walking around not opening?… Read more »
thanks for the comments, you two. Regarding not getting enough practice, I obviously have LOTS more field reports/rejections that that! I just picked a few fairly recent ones to give you an idea, but i’ve made somewhere around 500 approaches now. But it’s only ever really been night game ( hence that number isn’t like 3000. Then again, I’m kind of glad. I think 3000 rejections would have been just accepting defeat!) I work with all men in a warehouse and we barely get a lunch break long enough to be able to leave the building – Then, after work,… Read more »
“…the girls were younger and hornier and had lower inhibitions?” Girls are girls, you spike their inhibitions at whatever age. Women are horny at any age, it’s up to you to ping that. “I don’t know where you guys live, but the UK is NOTHING like the US in terms of people being friendly and sociable with strangers in most places.” Perhaps. Sounds like a buffer…can stop you from engaging. Sentient talks a lot about mind set, in a way. I’ll let him address that. “the lovely friendly one just wasn’t my type physically so I didn’t make an attempt… Read more »
Pitbikemike i’ve made somewhere around 500 approaches now. OK that would have been helpful information… It seems like you have picked and plucked from some of the 7 sources and videos and haven’t gotten a grasp of the theory behind the actions? Correct? You didn’t answer these questions btw – me: ”You’re friends always make you the designated photo taker?” So this is better than a toothy “Hi!”, right? Understand why. Why? Why was this open better? me: Like you!! but with blonde hair! (this girl was brunette) her: HAHAHA (She seemed to find this VERY funny for some reason)… Read more »
PS – the 12 opens… yeah that should be an hour or so in a crowded place, certainly at least that many a night.
@EhIntellect ”I like your honesty, but that comment was an obvious buffer. What you’re saying essentially is “I like fugly, angry women.” No one here believes that, neither do you too, it’s just mental jiu-jitsu you’ve steeped yourself in, you pull off to excuse your lack of confidence, success.” Maybe there’s a misunderstanding here or i’ve missed something? Where did I imply: ”I like fugly, angry women”? – What i’m saying is that the really friendly, sweet one was fat, hence I didn’t try to make a move on her. Her hot friend was angry and I didn’t try to… Read more »
“sweet one was fat”
Oh. Sure.
I get it now. O.K.
Protip: Fat girls are good practice as they are more receptive, easy to gauge your skills. They might sense you’re faking it though, as no one generally hits on them.
Anytime is good time for pickup.
pitbikemike ”Why? Why was this open better?” I suppose because it takes her out of ‘auto-pilot’, and it’s different to what every other guy opens with. But I often can’t find an ‘open’ and so resort to ‘hi’ Because it is a form of a cold read and it is about HER… cold reads are interesting. ” What is the reason she found this funny?” – Just because it’s a playful kind of neg and disqualifies her. Yes…! it’s a push [neg]… and its about HER again… So just using these two insights… replay the last FR, you alone at… Read more »
pitbike mike
” What is the reason she found this funny?” – Just because it’s a playful kind of neg and disqualifies her.
Yes…! it’s a push [neg]… and its about HER again…
Also you are subcommunicating abundance, non -neediness and outcome independence [confidence] with this…
After you grasp MM you should watch this old video… you will be amazed at how much you can anticipate, pick out and understand….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC8X-btgrzk
My fav Mystery open is at 40:30 “I never bothered to ask…….. until this moment…… why….. everyone is wearing fucking white?”
That whole bit there… the roll off… the compliance test… the pre selection… the isolation… locking in… all of it… nice.
@sentient ”So just using these two insights… replay the last FR, you alone at a pub with a non receptive hot girl and a receptive fatty… how could you have used these two techniques to draw out the hot girl?” I’m not sure. Cold read the quiet girl? Tell her I think she’s a shy introvert and compare her to her more fun outgoing friend to try to make her feel insecure and try harder to be social?? I don;t know THE MYSTERY METHOD: I don’t mind reading it. Hard to believe yet another game book will help, but it… Read more »
Women are masters of the subtle tell, if you’re thinking it, they’ll sense it and adjust accordingly. Therefore, consistency in your personality is key. When treating all with the new found abundance mentality Pitbikemike, there’s zero difficulty moving, gaming, communicating from fatty to hottie. Charming with everyone. Drawing fattie in with hottie near by, is too tempting for hottie just to sit idly. She’ll be monitoring all you say, how you say it and how you look saying it. You’re not required to bang the fattie just because you chatted her up, and deescalation is a skill too. In fact,… Read more »
“You try tailoring the conversation to environment, point out curiosities about her, back and forth, keep it happy, laugh a lot, and remember…they’re just girls.”
My fav Mystery open is at 40:30 “I never bothered to ask…….. until this moment…… why….. everyone is wearing fucking white?”
@pitbikemike, height is hard to change, same with overall looks, but what is your physique like?
@newlyaloof – I’m in fairly good shape. I play football and I also work out 4-5 times per week. (boxing, freeweights, cardio). Unfortunately, it seems i’d need steroids to get truly ripped to shreds, but there is an outline of a 6-pack. I have a naturally small ‘frame’. Small wrists for example, so without steroids, i’d never look like a man-mountain! I’ve been called ‘athletic looking’ before, though
@hank will 2 nights of better sleep a night help you? Yep. You won’t acclimate to phenibut at that rate. But past all this I’m gonna have to go to lifestyle factors beyond the obvious. Diet can be huge; even if you have some unsuspected food sensitivity keeping your inflammatory levels high it can really fuck with things. But it’s hard for me to really work with ya on that without going into considerable detail. Can’t really link the best resources without potentially doxxing myself lol but this is a foray in the right direction: http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/anti-inflammatory-diet-road-to-good-health#1 @Sentient Good reminder that… Read more »
@pitbikemike, hmm.
Do what Sentient said, then after that perhaps add some youtube channels into your diet:
simplepickup
cupid schmupid (short man pickup)
honestsignalz
Fight on.
@Sentient, forgot to mention that for a dude who’s reluctant to pull the trigger on a fling, some phone sex with another woman is a lovely bady step to take.
Forge
Good reminder that sometimes my instincts to go direct are good, tx
My open… “Going down?” with strong eye contact. Causally take the back wall next to her… “I didn’t mean anything with the knee pads…. [pointing at them and playing it off] I mean… I’m not even going to go there…”
This one is good to use on all the girls with the ripped knee jeans these days “I’m not even going to ask how that happened”…
@pitbike
My best advice for you is to get used to messing with girls…teasing right off the bat…whistling at them and holding eye contact, with an impish grin…barking at them…being playful…do it with other men too, in a manly way, so it becomes second nature to you