For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
“They are fucking with your head. They’ve always done this if they interacted with a man that would allow them to do so the problem is that a majority of men but into and play along with their dumb shit because pussy ( or hopes there of ).” You mean you can pull Virginia’s hair and she can live in your life, or she can pull her own hair and scream she doesn’t want to live this/her life? Meet Virginia Train She doesn’t own a dress, her hair is always a mess If you catch her stealin’, she won’t confess… Read more »
99% of women that think all kinds of silly shit because social media DO NOT MATTER because they don’t have the access that they believe/fool themselves into believing they do. A few women have a lot of power because of pedestalizing men, but not most. Those few women are especially clever at using their looks/charm on men to get what they want…attention and resources. Most women can’t do that even with looks. Girls making loads of money on chaturbate have great sales skills and that’s why they make a lot of money. It’s not just because they’re pretty girls. So,… Read more »
One of my best lays last night.
Air hostess. Blonde. 22. I’d say an 8!
She was floating around the outskirts of the dancefloor.
I Super annoying that I can’t remember much about the approach, but I *think* I opened direct, dolt her she was hot, aske her some stuff. Could sense attraction and started getting physical. Makeout. She’s with 2 friends and I basically sneak her away from them and get her to invite me back to her place. We get a cab. Have sex.
might be a FR later
actual FR I was also out on Friday when I got laid, but she was nothing to write home about at all. Border line embarrassing, in fact! (beer goggles !!) so I was keen to try to make amends and get a hotter girl. Happened much soon than i’d have thought! I’m feeling rather relaxed, albeit slightly tired. I don’t usually go out 2 nights in a row. First set is a hot girl who stands next to me at the bar to get served. She’s got on this crazy jacket. Looks like a yeti! I open her on it,… Read more »
@Scars: good FR. Your analysis at the end is a bit of downer!
You are putting in the work and getting better results. You jumped from the success on Friday into more success and kept building DHVs through the second night. You had friends of potential targets helping you out and the girl you pulled had already noticed you etc.
And then you think there are “Yes/No/Maybe” girls? You just made several of the “No”s into “Maybe”s and two of the “Maybe”s into a couple of lays!
” Day game ” will make ” night game ” easier imo. More opportunity during the day for practice. Just remember this during the holiday shopping season, lots of women will be out and about doing shopping for friends and family… and themselves ( always themselves ), so expect more aloofness and outright rejection from some of them. Don’t take this to heart or feel any kind of way, it’s because they are distracted thinking about what they’re doing – shopping for friends and family.. and themselves. They leave the house on a mission. Most aren’t looking for dates or… Read more »
Pretty sure YaReally was dead right about Hypergamy and the Internet and the new normal. If you guys can rail on about these young boys being pussified – which you seem to do all the time – then you’re purposefully ignoring these young chicks being far more narcissistic and hypergamic because of the current culture. You fucks can’t have it both ways. If the boys are affected, so are the girls. Everything else is intellectual dishonesty. I can’t tolerate that shit. An 18 year old in 1997 is very different than an 18 year old in 2017. And the social… Read more »
@ WIA ya wasn’t 100% wrong, it’s more that he overstated and hyped up what’s actually going on out there for the majority, and most guys fall into that majority. Women have been affected by current culture, but even that is not new. There will always be something because dogs are not cats. The issue is what do men think about it and then what are they going to do in response? It’s not helpful, at all, to paint the world as being full of boogey men ( or women ) that are all better, stronger and faster than you… Read more »
I admit I’m not entirely sure what this argument is about. We seem to be putting emphasis on different things, agree on the rest and get triggered by “always”, “never”, “everything”, “nothing”… lol… Come on now… I haven’t seen much of a disagreement at the level of particular advice given to individuals here… For me what stands out as a bigger issue is that men don’t know what they want, what their life purpose is. That they don’t challenge themselves to find out what it might be. That they don’t go after it. That they get stopped by their fears.… Read more »
Gabrielle Reece on her relationship with Laird Hamilton (from https://www.today.com/popculture/my-foot-too-big-glass-slipper-gabby-reece-unriddles-marriage-1C9310691): ”We didn’t even make it to our fifth anniversary before our sexy fairy tale turned into one of those unwatchable Swedish domestic dramas that makes the audience want to throw themselves off the nearest bridge. […] I was becoming bitter and resentful. And if there’s one thing that trashes a love story, it’s resentment. By Christmas of 2000 I was done. The marriage had broken down, and I didn’t feel like fixing it. So I filed for divorce. For a while, Laird tried to talk me out of it, but… Read more »
FR Went out last two nights in a row and aside from spiking attraction via dance there’s a couple of anecdotes to share. – Leading a dance confidently so that the follower (woman) feels beautiful and safe, is up there in the top 5 for emotional spikes for women. (at least that’s what their eyes tell me). – On my way out of the bar two nights ago I came across a couple that looked lost so I opened them. Turns out they were feeling good but not sure where to go next and were new in town. I told… Read more »
Gabby says “women set the tone” and she means “frame.” 🙂
WIA “How smartphones are affecting the young generations (and the old) is a constant trending topic at Salon, The Atlantic, Wired, Scientific America, and in the press generally. ” Yes the boys are affected… Add Hufpo and all the other gynocentric MS media propagandizers as well… See a theme? Sure the girls buy it too… But so what. Rollo is so dangerous to the New Order because he is taking the blinders off… No regular TRM reader buys what’s being hard sold in the MSM. And from there they have the power to push back. Every day in their male… Read more »
Catchers… Well improvement in spotting windows. Now you need to start acting in the moment… This “Didn’t get a chance to go any further as she opened me with a time constraint talking about how tired she was so she left shortly thereafter.” Her false time constraint is just a test. DO NOT LOGICALLY process ever… Your brain should merely process “ok. Girl is into me. She is saying some words. Now I need to run my game and escalate and isolate”. End of. Remember game was backward engineered by watching how highly socialized hot girls acted. The Mystery era… Read more »
thanks @IAS for your reply to my FR.
But yeah, it was definitely one of my better nights. There is one thing that took a little bit of the shine off in a way but I won’t go into that yet. Kind of a separate issue.
But still flying high today. She definitely had the look of a girl who was about to 100% tell me to go away when I approached, so i’ll try to remember that for when I approach other hotties.
@scars
I think it’s important to understand that we are operating (or learning to operate) on a different level especially as we socially calibrate. Often times I’ve engaged women that look like they want nothing to do with me but they light up as soon as I open them. They have no idea they have resting-bitch-face on, don’t understand the concept of inner / outer state – etc. They just “are”.
Nice job on your pulls this weekend!
IRL “I’m just not explicit and logical about it (“from now on…” lol). I communicate it in Cat-o-nese: flirt in front of her, have girls react to me and give me IOIs, sexualize with her friends, show our son how to talk to strangers, always own what I do, apply Agree & Amplify, Amused Mastery etc.” Was at an event recently with the wife and as we are getting out of our car notice a woman about 10 years younger that I’ve been flirting with a bit at a coffe place getting out of hers to go to the same… Read more »
@IRL November 26, 2017 at 1:03 pm Great comments, right there. I admit I’m not entirely sure what this argument is about. We seem to be putting emphasis on different things, agree on the rest and get triggered by “always”, “never”, “everything”, “nothing”… lol… Come on now… I haven’t seen much of a disagreement at the level of particular advice given to individuals here… I’m pretty sure what the argument is about. It’s about Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs and it has to do with self actualization. There’s lots of struggle out there. There’s lots of guys in the manosphere who… Read more »
@Catchers ”Gabby says “women set the tone” and she means “frame.” 🙂” But of course. That’s why you need to wear your Red Pill glasses at all times. Frame battles, shit tests, pushing on the walls of the box you’ve put her in – this never stops. Happily ever after? Wrong department. As SFC Ton once said (paraphrasing): they are not wired to be satisfied, you can try to make them happy and end up frustrated or you can have them unhappy but wet. Up to you really… lol… Also, take note that she knows she’s speaking in public in… Read more »
@Catchers… good field report. – Last weekend one of the followers I’ve established good rapport with forced her number on me saying she wanted me to let her know next time I go dancing on x day. I responded indifferently to her assertion so at the end of the dance she goes, “seriously – you should take my number and let me know” Unless these girls are 6’s or below, and they’re forcing their numbers on you, act on it…suggest drinks. I also do social dance. Boldness is key otherwise you become their dance partner. Since there tends to be… Read more »
@Blaximus November 25, 2017 at 5:47 pm’ Technology and Television and social media has been influencing young girls since the 70’s. Sure the technology of social media has escalated the divorcement of young women from engaging with men. Yes it makes a man’s strategy harder. But what does that even mean for an individual man? It means your work is harder. Nothing less. It means you have Quality interactions in real life because that is what is missing with Technology. https://therationalmale.com/2016/02/08/outrage-brokers/comment-page-4/#comment-140064 Written in the early 70’s: Technology is blamed for a lot of this loneliness, since the loneliness is certainly… Read more »
@SJF I cosign your post – especially “quality interactions”. Pays off in spades when taking a girl on a date that you’ve orchestrated that allows the girl to just float through the finely crafted interaction. Leaves an imprint on their minds of the stark difference between and afternoon with me and the rest of the guys she’s dated; doubly so for when in bed and capturing both her body and her mind. Yes, social media and mainstream media can present hurdles – but they have 100M and 300M hurdles in the olympics in order to see who can overcome obstacles… Read more »
@scars
“She definitely had the look of a girl who was about to 100% tell me to go away when I approached, so i’ll try to remember that for when I approach other hotties.”
powerful reference experience
@CatchersIndifference “Yes, social media and mainstream media can present hurdles – but they have 100M and 300M hurdles in the olympics in order to see who can overcome obstacles set before them.” And that is part of the “argument” of the YaReally, PUA’s, and YSG’s. You do recognize the narrative of the OMG’s being: Your hurdles are not as high as you think they are…..You are creating hurdles in your own mind…. Hurdles. What it is they mean for gaining one’s Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. I learned from organic experience in buying a farm 11 years ago. I didn’t ask… Read more »
@ sjf Hurdles indeed. I always caution young men to mind their minds. One can’t afford to be snookered into inaction in life by any false narratives, because there is an abundance of real shit to deal with if you are trying to live a full and satisfying life, and figure stuff out to your benefit. I was born in 1961, in the Jim Crow south. I’ve seen some outrageous shit in my lifetime, but simultaneously I’ve watched people, especially men, just say ” fuck it ” and decide not to just accept cultural and/or societal bullshit any longer. I’m… Read more »
lol Ya wasn’t afraid of women as some of you are suggesting. He was just telling it the way it is: “@Yollo “Are they actually getting harder to game? Is it really necessary to get in shape to bang them like some people think? Or is it more a frame battle?” Frame battle. They are BOMBARDED with nothing but attention and compliments and rewards from every angle 24/7 by all of society for every little thing they think say and do. That’s why so many of them think they’re hilarious or should be famous singers or have YouTube channels where… Read more »
Technology ( btw, as someone working in a the field, social media is insulting ), there’s nothing that any man can ever do about it except accept whatever they believe it is, and just try to get some poosy. That’s awful. Not the poosy part, but the defeatism. Its amazing and sad anytime I see a man just throw in the towel over some shit females are doing in great numbers ( but still, not all to the exaggerated extent puas and manospherians love to ramble on about ). They’re women right? OK, just checking. I am old enough to… Read more »
“But the most Important lesson I learned from observing life during Jim Crow in the south, is that if you only know what’s happening in a very small area at any given time,not can and will seem as if the entire world has gone stark raving mad, when in reality that’s not the case at all.”
Normalization of girls abandoning the traditional strategy of marrying young and having children, in favor of the ‘get a career/ride the cock carousal and settle down later’ strategy has already begun spreading outside America:
Latin America:
http://www.mylatinlife.com/blog/2016/10/13/the-death-of-the-white-god-factor-in-latin-america-and-what-to-do-about-it
Eastern Europe:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-58283.html
Ya’s comment is an example of a guy caught in a females frame. No one could see it then, so of course no one can see it now. Reading comprehension is a wonderful tool. I also used to ask him what ” he ” thought. Not what Tyler or Julian or todd or Luke or schlomo thought. I asked him that multiple times over multiple years. But, y’all can’t see that.no asked him who the ” we ” was that he always spoke of, like royal ” we ” or something. If anyone thinks ya was correct about all ”… Read more »
@ j
What are you trying to say with the link?
I don’t follow your train of thought. Who gives a shit about whether tourist can get laid?
Has no connection to the Jim Crow quote at all. At least not in reality.
… And men play zero role in ” women abandoning ” traditional norms or whatever?
Traditional?
Like the hordes of traditional men out there?
Cause and effect and effect and more effect.
“who the ” we ” was that he always spoke of”
…uh maybe the guys that actually out there banging these <25 8+ girls and having LTRs with them instead of guys that just flirt with them and spew keyboard jockey shit how nothing has changed?
Lol. As you wish.
I went through this already with scray quite enough.
The struggle is real, huh?
Been a while since trm had any yareally dick riding. It’s almost refreshing.
Watch more Rsd and worry about getting hour n count up. Eventually you might ” get it “.
What do you think Ya?
Oh, right.😕
my bad should have left the jim crow part out of the quote lol. “if you only know what’s happening in a very small area at any given time,not can and will seem as if the entire world has gone stark raving mad, when in reality that’s not the case at all.” the effects social media has had on female behavior started in America right? Well that same behavior has started become observed by guys in other countries once the girls get a hold of the power of social media has given gives them. and it changes what their strategies… Read more »
I’m just posting what I’m seeing man that’s all. No hate intended.
@ j I’m not gonna fight with you because you seem like a very cool dude, and you are out there doing your thing. But try to see this from a different perspective for a second. My problem is in guy ” accepting ” behaviors from chicks. They’re fucking chicks for crying out loud. In the absence ofnreal masculinity, chicks misbehave. Instead of blanket acceptance of what little girls do, I think it’s better to trigger their ” instincts “. That’s a viable tactic. Without masculinity and that knowledge, a man is a complete fool to try to have a… Read more »
Also, while I’m out ” flirting “, I see something a lot different than guys report from the club field.
Clubs say nothing real about ‘ life ‘
The plot thickens … Girl I fumbled last night just pinged me… Her: Didn’t see you at x today! Me: Missing me already? Her: Ha! Was hoping to see you Me: I’ll be (in her area) Tue – let’s grab a drink Her: I might have plans! If those fall through then, let’s. Headed to (same dance venue as last night) in a bit. The band playing is great. Me: early workout tomorrow, have fun I’m 30 mins away from said venue and although the invite to see her tonight was extremely tempting I thought it would be the very… Read more »
@j “we (again the guys who want to have long term relationships with these girls) need to adapt to these changing world. First step is accepting that shits different now” Can you continue from here and elaborate more beyond this step? I’m genuinely curious what you’re trying to address and up to this point I think I understand. Where are you taking it though? What’s your goal, what are you trying to achieve or what’s bothering you? I thought you didn’t want anything beyond ONSs, FBs and spinning plates? You also seem pretty happy with your pulls and lays. Beyond… Read more »
@SFJ “And that is part of the “argument” of the YaReally, PUA’s, and YSG’s. You do recognize the narrative of the OMG’s being: Your hurdles are not as high as you think they are…..You are creating hurdles in your own mind….” The biggest issue here is that some of you guys like to ignore objective reality and astute observations and try to reframe it as fear. Yes just like anything theres thing you have to deal with ,but its almost as if you can’t understand that identifying changes and realizing that things are different is part of it. lol Dont… Read more »
@mersonia You are so full of shit, lol. I go out to bars and I see. I am on facebook and the hotties I know aren’t getting all that much validation. Maybe they have 1200 friends and get 100 likes on a Thanksgiving pic, with most of the likes being from girls. Maybe one comment from a man on a post and 3 from girls. Otoh, a local rocker I know gets 10 comments average per post, from 10 different people, about half girls. On Tinder, sure, men spam girls and girls know that…no validation from spam. I don’t see… Read more »
@IRL “You also seem pretty happy with your pulls and lays. Beyond that you managed all this in the current climate.” Because I actually listened to what Ya/RSD/Heartiste said about the effects social media has had on girls.and tailored my game to the insights they shared. Tried it out trial and error style in clubs/bars and in a very short amount of time I became successful in picking up chicks I never thought I would ever sleep with pre-TRP. I’m not a “yareally dick rider” as blax suggests lol. I’m just very thankful to him and others for teaching me… Read more »
“I don’t see offers of trips and shit on fb”
it all goes down in the dms
Not to belabor the point, or come off like I’m down talking my fellow commenters in a field reports section ( yes, I see the irony and will cease commenting soon as this discussion is not what this section of trm is for ), but I understand much much more that some of y’all give me credit for, but you wouldn’t known this, and I sound to you like I’m just ttalking out of my ass. Yet, I am not. I believe one of the major sticking points in conversations such as this, is perspective. If you are forming you… Read more »
Lol, what a clusterfuck of spelling errors.
@j
I get A2 so fucking easily in person that I see no impact of social media on my game. But I use a lot of push and not much pull, so maybe my game is just naturally tailored for girls who get lots of validation. If I text I usually get a reply within 5 min. If I use fb, it’s a couple of hours–around lunchtime. (I recently asked a girl about a restaurant.) The girl’s at work, lol, and could have problems if she’s caught using fb on company time.
Blax, ride that keyboard, cowboy. Don’t let it buck you off!
“If you are forming you opinions based solely on interactions when trying to ” pick up ” women in ” the field “, your experiences will be very different from guys that deal with am dozen chicks in the very age groups you’re talking about sans the pickup aspect. References differ greatly.” Correct. You’re opinions formed when trying to fuck women will be different from just talking with chicks in various age groups. But at some point we stop caring about our opinions and just look at the truth ” The old saw about ” not understanding ” is weak… Read more »
“You are so full of shit, lol. I go out to bars and I see. I am on facebook and the hotties I know aren’t getting all that much validation. “
I don’t care bro. You haven’t tried to fuck a new girl in like 20 years. We have different experiences….What they show me and show you will be completely different. The advice I could give to others and advice you could give are completely different.
@everyone: I don’t even understand how this is contentious. Pretty much everyone here agrees that the pill (science/technology) changed the social scene and particularly the SMP drastically. Why is it so hard to agree that the (dis)connectedness of society through the internet/smartphones (science/technology) also changed the SMP drastically? These are things that cause massive change in society as a whole, why are you pretending it didn’t affect the SMP is beyond me. The manosphere where we are commenting is even part of the changes (although a minor one relatively to the changes from the female side). Nobody is saying the… Read more »
Pretty much everyone here agrees that the pill (science/technology) changed the social scene and particularly the SMP drastically. Lol, has fb made it harder to get to A2? All the tech change effects only apply to betas because beta game is weaker due to tech. What have I been writing about girls pawing me in the club and outside? Both night and day? (I expect that Blax and other OMGs have similar reference experiences.) Has tech changed that? What they show me and show you will be completely different. Lol, like the girl who told me she got drunk and… Read more »
J
Post wall carousel riding slut to become real life princess… DM’s not included…
36YO Meghan Markle
http://blog.libero.it/wp/wp-content/uploads/sites/1751/2016/11/meghan-markle-hot-scene-pornhub.jpg
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4989154/prince-harry-meghan-markle-engaged-wedding-married/
She has five years on Rita Hayworth, so there is that…
So I’m to understand that because of technology so that “a” girl can theoretically get either a fawning proclamation of devotion [aka “ur so hawt!!!!”] or straight up monetary offers that Beta and Beta Bux is more attractive than Alpha “in da field” in real life?
OK then…
Proponents of this thinking – outline how many girls you’ve lost on Saturday night to Arabian princes. Hell I’ll take a few real life examples of a girl you even know in real life who’s actually gone to Dubai.
IAS @everyone: I don’t even understand how this is contentious. Pretty much everyone here agrees that the pill (science/technology) changed the social scene and particularly the SMP drastically. It’s contentious because of ahistorical comments like yours. Sure the Pill changed the “social scene”… But go deeper. The Pill came about, like much of the other things that changed the “social scene” such as EEOC, No Fault Divorce, Child Support laws etc etc… from much earlier FI actions… Women’s Suffrage came about in 1920 throughout nearly all the West for example. And that change came on the back of hundreds of… Read more »
Well, I’m coming out with an Arabian Prince app soon, soooo……
So i’m still riding high from that lay report from yesterday, but I want some thoughts on something that happened. About 2 months back I wrote an FR which was at that point one of my best in terms of game. Opened some girl at the bar. We’ll call her dancergirl. Got her emotions going with teasing and stuff off the open. Befriended her sister. Lead her. Improvised some little questions games for when we were isolation and used it to sexualise the convo. She was very into me although at the time I chose not to kiss her as… Read more »
Scars
It seemed almost painfully obvious that she was trying to make me a bit jealous!
Yes she was…
I dunno. Maybe i’m reading too much into it.
Yes you are…
scars
The real question for you is – Why are you reading too much into it?
Probably a mixture of jealousy, confusion and anger on my part, I guess!!
@ scars
She’s not ” your girl ” , and that night with your brother, it wasn’t ” your turn “.
Don’t give her space in your head.
Scars
Probably a mixture of jealousy, confusion and anger on my part, I guess!!
Reads to me from this, and your other FR’s, you are not comfortable believing that a girl would try and make you jealous. That you are the prize.
Pretty much everyone here agrees that the pill (science/technology) changed the social scene and particularly the SMP drastically. Why is it so hard to agree that the (dis)connectedness of society through the internet/smartphones (science/technology) also changed the SMP drastically? IAS — Because it isn’t a “real” change. It’s a slight change in context, sure, but girls are girls, cats are cats. The underlying metanarrative is exactly the same: girls want alpha, all the time, every time, no exceptions. The pill and the smartphone change the parameters a bit and make things harder on the pussy boys, but really who cares… Read more »
Probably true, but it’s also one of confusion. I mean, why would she want to make me jealous? If she wanted me, She could have had me pretty damn easily at any point before I approached the hot girl I ended up getting! She didn’t need to play games, lol And why fuck my bro? Presumably she realised that i’d now no longer be interested every again. Which then makes me think it was nothing to do with me at all or making me jealous. She simply fell for my brother? Maybe he ran some epic game from somewhere for… Read more »
@CatchersIndifference props on getting out the door… I should have been seducing her from the moment we first danced (looking back) but got some kino in via compliance tests after leading the conversation a bit asking about her “indulgences”. Didn’t get a chance to go any further as she opened me with a time constraint talking about how tired she was so she left shortly thereafter. tooo lazy to find a face palm pic…lol… now, tell me why i want one… (hint – the FI was/is pushing on you…) Felt shitty after and my internal state suffered a bit as… Read more »
@ scars
Most ” 5’s ” believe that they can always get ” a man “. Always been true because of male thirst. So what else can they do for kicks? A little mental manipulation perhaps?
Regardless to what they might say out of their mouths, most women are just thrilled when they can make a man jealous or get a reaction out of them while saying nothing or as little as possible.
@CatchersIndifference [i]tooo lazy to find a face palm pic…lol… now, tell me why i want one… (hint – the FI was/is pushing on you…)[/i] You want to face palm because I should have been acting like the prize instead of thinking about how I could “win” her over in the moment. Her approach was an indicator of interest but the bigger picture is she wants me to chase her now that she’s shown interest. [i]another face palm wanted…lol… tell me why this time…[/i] So not only am I not regarding myself as the prize – I am also letting women… Read more »
@Scars “Probably true, but it’s also one of confusion. I mean, why would she want to make me jealous? If she wanted me, She could have had me pretty damn easily at any point before I approached the hot girl I ended up getting! She didn’t need to play games” Women do actually need to play games it is embedded in their firmware. 70,000 years of evolution with a big brain. She was Testing You! For Alpha. You failed or at least you didn’t use the shit test to your advantage enough and then she made Her Choice. Review your… Read more »
Catchers
Following on HABD’s post, these things
Girl I fumbled last night just pinged me…
Her: I might have plans! If those fall through then, let’s…
Not enough attraction, yet…
are all related. Failure to escalate leads to her sorting you into her orbit vs vice versa.
Just avoid texting her, wait till you see her out again, then continue to DHV in person and start over from scratch, but this time, when you read the signs, lead and escalate.
@CatchersIndifference great self-analysis!… also… embedded in your overall FR is the idea that once a girl leaves the venue (or you fail to follow through) that it’s all OVER…lol… like you can’t ever use game to turn things around… which is just NOT true… you might start in more of a beta hole than before, but you can STILL turn it around… just bc you didn’t WANT to last time, doesn’t mean you don’t WANT to this time… see how that is YOUR frame?… you’ll just have to handle more shit tests and bring your higher level game is all…lol… Read more »
@CatchersIndifference
also…
Didn’t get a chance to go any further as she opened me with a time constraint talking about how tired she was so she left shortly thereafter.
did you spot this as a ‘take me home and f*k me!’ IOI in real time (but didn’t act on it…)?, or only later?…
good luck!
@Sentient “post wall carousel riding slut to become real life princess” Well…. “He’s 33 a fucking prince! And although a ginger his SMV is astronomical” “She’s post-wall, already divorced … Harry just doesn’t seem to be leveraging his princely advantages her” “His bride is 36, divorced and although still attractive she is obviously sub optimal fertility wise and probably only a few years from hitting her wall and losing the remaining petals of her femininity!” Great comments on the royal wedding in on main OP. Markle isn’t just your ordinary post wall chick (check her Wikipedia) but think about how… Read more »
J ome will legitimately believe “hey if she can get a prince to marry her at 36 I can do that too!!! Of course… Rita did it, also post divorce (plus another), in 1949… The story of Cinderella was of an obscure, unworthy girl rising to the top of the female social pyramid… Her age and N count are not a factor to how women have viewed the story. You’ve heard “Some Day My Prince Will Come”? [written in 1939] Once there was a Princess Was the Princess, you? And she fell in love Was it hard to do? Well,… Read more »
J off to the cock carousel they go…only to be left disappointed when reality doesn’t meet expectations: I wouldn’t be so sure. actually I’m sure they don’t register disappointment at all. They just become girls “who aren’t like that anymore” and look for “something deeper”, someone who can be their “best friend”… Susan Sandberg wrote: “Girls… Wake UP!!! You only have so much time left… don’t waste your eggs on the bad boys and the cock carousel. Trust me on this!!” Oh wait… she actually wrote this: “When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all… Read more »
@CatchersIndifference
ok, just one more… bc the FI is cunning and pervasive…
No, thinking back I was definitely aware of what was going down but thought I struck out earlier.
really feeel that FI hand on your shoulder…lol
and again… props… you really ARE doing great!…
good luck!
@Sentient are all related. Failure to escalate leads to her sorting you into her orbit vs vice versa. Just avoid texting her, wait till you see her out again, then continue to DHV in person and start over from scratch, but this time, when you read the signs, lead and escalate. I see this now and you’ve been pointing out symptoms of my larger problem which is a failure to commit. In my head, I’m still shaking off the “if you have sex with her, it’s forever” and being too choosy. Although I don’t want to burn down the social… Read more »
Catchers
Although I don’t want to burn down the social dance scene here by having sex with everyone
Just have great sex with them and this wont be a problem. 😉 You will be “that guy” they all want to try.
I think the text exchange was fine, she was still trying to sort you. at least that was a stalemate.
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@CatchersIndifference the text exchange was the best you could do in that situ… she is still trying to sort you as Sentient points out… sooo, until you bang her, ALWAYS have your logistics sorted before you go out… (you should be doing this anyway…lol)… then, pull her the next time you interact… “See the opportunity for what it was, work on getting better and next time the opportunity presents itself – take it.” ? now you’re getting it!… just be ready for a bit more ‘uncertainty’ in her shit testing protocol when you meet up again… she is going to… Read more »
Catchers
What is the proper frame of reference to view my fumble from this weekend?
It’s a rep. Doing the Work ™ involves lots and lots of reps…
@Catchers “In my head, I’m still shaking off the “if you have sex with her, it’s forever” and being too choosy.” https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GFTOW “Although I don’t want to burn down the social dance scene here by having sex with everyone which plays at least somewhat a role in my thought process.” Lol… why not? Start from the bee queen though… RSD Jeffy had to put in much more work than necessary for starting from the bottom… lol (see his Nine Ball): It seems the Chess Club hipsters have begun waging a full-scale campaign against me via email, and it would further… Read more »
@IRL Good read, thanks for the insight. The social dance scene is my main source of social interaction and seduction which is why I’d like to avoid being outcast. I’m socially adept so it won’t happen but it’s something I consider when escalating. If I’m gaming a girl near my place I have the bounce back to the house locked & loaded. I was just looking at renting a place and dramatically improving my logistics for the venue I typically visit on the weekends. I get stuck when I have to bounce them to their place out of necessity. For… Read more »
@scars
Why was she trying to make you jealous? Same reason dogs lick their balls: because they can.
It’s always in a girl’s best biological Interests to line up as many men as possible: so she can choose the best one….
The more men who she makes jealous the more likely she can be to choose the alpha of the pack.
Flipping the script by expressing just enough interest to establish a presence but then withdrawing it strategically to get her working for that attention is the essence of game.
@CatchersIndifference The social dance scene is my main source of social interaction and seduction which is why I’d like to avoid being outcast. how’s that FI treatin’ ya?…lol hint… I’m socially adept so it won’t happen but it’s something I consider when escalating. really feeel that hand on your shoulder… I get stuck when I have to bounce them to their place out of necessity. why?… serious question… I have several interesting things at my place and if I rented a place I would seed the pull early on in the interaction with a story about how I’m renting a… Read more »
@scars “I mean, why would she want to make me jealous?” You answered yourself: “I ended up with a hotter girl (dancer girl is a 6. Mine was an easy 8) so I wouldn’t have changed how the night went, but i’m not gonna lie, the whole thing is bugging me! lol” It worked out well for her, didn’t it? I mean, a 6 made you think about her more than an 8. Cat string theory… a small part of Cat-o-nese. That’s the language of Nature (and it works!), not some artificial rigid logic we men are used to… lol… Read more »
I think i’m annoyed that the 6 didn’t get to see my pull the 8 🙂 lol
But whatever. I can feel the anger has subsided mostly. 6 is basically off of my radar completely now. (i live in a small town so i’ll likely ‘see’ her again soonish)
But I don’t want her anymore, and i’m not entirely sure she actually wanted me either, so it’s all good
@scars
“I can’t believe you fell for that.” lol
Now this 6 knows she has power over you and can manipulate your emotions because you gave her that power.
What would a man with a thousand mistresses do in that situation? Wouldn’t. Give. One. Fuck.
”What would a man with a thousand mistresses do in that situation? Wouldn’t. Give. One. Fuck.”
No shit, lol
@habd
why?… serious question…
I’m trying to work on “just getting it” and enabling the lay seamlessly so as not to engage their ASD or run into LMR later in the interaction somewhere between the bar and their bed.
not interesting enough on your own, eh?…lol… really feeel that hand pushing on you… and then tell it to f*k off!…
Same as above. I’m willing to field test being more direct and see where it gets me so we’ll see how it turns out.
Catchers
I’m willing to field test being more direct
A big part of Just Getting It ™ is not stating It… It is assumed, unspoken, of course she is going to come back to your place and [fill in the pretense]. It is NOT to actually engage in anything “interesting” you have. The shift is in your mindset. YOU are enough, you know it, she knows it and you know she knows it and she knows you know she knows it. That is IT.
@scars
From reading your FR’s/LR’s, I’ve noticed that most of your better interactions and your lays come from being super direct. As someone still using MM, this obviously confuses me. (although I remember yareally talking about how ‘game has moved on and new things have been discovered’ or whatever)
But Why do you think you seem to do better with direct game?
And do you only go direct when you are receiving IOI’s of some sort?
Robert Williams, Bayard Rustin, Myles Horton, W. E. B. DuBois, Jack O’Dell…the list of communists/socialists/Progressives/whateverthefuckyouwannacallthem intimately associated with MLK is long.
shit, wrong thread
http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/In_the_Middle/storytell/393.html “In general try to avoid searching for good material. Anything can be a good story. You need to develop your ability to relate and express a story. Once you get good at this, you can create interest out of thin air. Anybody can get attention by telling a story which is in it’s own nature entertaining. That type of ‘good’ material WILL keep attention, but in the end it is the story which is interesting and not you. That is bad. I can not express this strongly enough. AVOID INTERESTING STORIES. They can be a mirage which will lead… Read more »
@Mckay I don’t know, but I have some ‘theories’ based on nothing but my own thoughts. I feel as though going direct allows me to take the pressure off in a way. I also kind of feel less ‘sneaky’? lol. It allows me to kind of easier self amuse too an extent too which is maybe kind of ‘attractive’ by itself according to RSD. There’s also the idea that showing intent can build attraction on some level? With the girl from the other night, I didn’t have any IOI’s. I just thought she was hot. I was feeling ballsy, and… Read more »
@scars
that ‘sneaky’ feeling is the precursor to ‘surprise! I have a penis!…”
really try to understand that you REALLY are ‘enough’… for the hottest chick in da club…
good luck!
@Catchers
“why?… serious question…
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I was asking about you not wanting to go to her place… you think going to her place will trigger her ASD more than going to yours?…if so, why?…
good luck!
@habd I was asking about you not wanting to go to her place… you think going to her place will trigger her ASD more than going to yours?…if so, why?… No, from my experience ASD isn’t dependent upon the location – I just have more control over the factors that could keep me from getting what I want if it’s at my place. If a girl wants to have sex with you she will make it happen – I know this to be true. Thinking on it now, I just need to continue getting reps while being open to not… Read more »
@Catchers
expound on that control idea… bc I really don’t understand… duct tape and sound proof rooms?…lol
that’s the opposite of seduction…
the flip side of girls making it happen when they want it is girls making it not happen when they don’t… where doesn’t matter…
good luck!