For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
Thanks j!
Concepts, Body Language, Lines, and Misc.
Not the neatest of schemes, but not bad
On the looks thing, I’d say the bar is – Down Syndrome – Wheelchair bound – Missing limbs Something along those levels. Good looking guys get good attention, maybe some raw attraction – but they have their own set of problems. For us regular guys, our only concern is knowing how to AMOG them if the off chance they try to steal a girl, or you need to steal one. Everything else visual is doable. I will say the upside to focusing on your appearance in a healthy way, is that diet, exercise, grooming, and style – does more than… Read more »
@Sentient
Searched his archive, as of 2014 he was 5′ 9″ 210 lbs. Still very impressive considering the fact that girls say they would NEVER fuck a guy under 6 ft tall lol
http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/7/#comment-heartiste-585554
@Sentient I’m glad you replied because we can deal with some weak points of your game, which we saw in your interaction with the married hottie. If physical looks (as opposed to behavioral looks!) were all that important, then the girl HB8-9 wouldn’t have done the attention-whoring. What got her all worked up was the fact that I wasn’t at all focused on her looks (Poon Commandment X). My behavioral looks were congruent with my frame of ignoring the hottie’s beauty. I was standing tall with feet spread. I was conveying status. I had given a strong push with my… Read more »
J
Well I’m 5’10 and never heard either of those statements…
Lol at status. Game, real game, destroys status. Don’t be fat. That’s controllable. If you aren’t an elite level playa, don’t dress like a homeless person, wash your ass daily and stay groomed. Do it because you should, and especially if you are actively trying to attract females. Don’t buy into the ” women dig short fat poorly dressed smelly balding men ” stuff. Balding isn’t really very controllable, but there are short hair cuts that make it more viable, and if you have the head for it, shave it and keep it moving. Women have a much more highly… Read more »
@WIA
Inner Game: Identity as male…proud of being male…glad to be male…enjoy doing physical and difficult stuff…enjoy men as men…enjoy using my muscles…enjoy being with, talking with, and touching feminine women…don’t mind risk if the reward is good enough…confident in my ability to do stuff…confident that women like me…feel entitled to women’s attention
Outer Game: being social…not imposing my obsessive interests on others by talking about them…dancing…chatting…playing…having fun…being obnoxious…telling jokes…playing pranks…being fun…bringing value…being the life of the party…making other people’s days shine a little brighter for having you in them…flirting with girls
@Sentient
Exactly cause its bullshit lol
“A woman may say she likes tall, handsome men with thick blond bird and blue eyes. And maybe she does, to the extent she’ll fawn over the image of one on a magazine cover. But if she’s looking for alpha sex, she will fuck a short, ugly, slightly overweight guy, as long as he satisfies the three conditions above.”
https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/14753-women-sexually-and-emotionally
ASD Again I must ask – what are you going through? I mean that FR – I saw Guy went into Dr. Office with wife. PA spoke to Wife and husband. PA stood up to leave. PA left. PA drove someplace, having to pass you to do so. Like… what even is this? Really a stretch to turn this into she was hot for you because you look odd. I’m sure that the PA would be doing this at her place of work–a doctor’s office Reminds me of the time I was stung by a bee… went to the nurse’s… Read more »
lol @ Blax Women have a much more highly developed sense of smell. They like some funk at certain times, but not on random dudes out in the streets. Soap and water and a scent applied sensibly goes a long way. Oh yeah, stand upright. +1 Redheads seem to have a keener sense of smell than other people. I don’t think that most men are taught to hold their shoulders back and pull their belly in. I see a lot of men slouching. If you seem like a very sexy guy, a little funk won’t hurt…it may get you action… Read more »
J
Those statements are not mutually exclusive. This is the rabbit hole “game” guys like to go down. Just because a woman could fuck an alpha or game proficient less attractive guy, doesn’t mean she also wouldn’t fuck a less alpha or game proficient more attractive guy. I submit Wednesday night “Date Night” at every restaurant you go to at 7:30PM as an example… You will see tons of good looking beta guys with no game with their good looking girlfriends.
@Sentient
Yes, you are confused and trending into KJ territory. For what reason I still wonder?
You’re distracting now as part of your buffering…I wonder why? Really, I’m not saying anything that HABD didn’t say…you never accused him of being a KJ.
Your trivialization of the interaction at the PA’s office is really pathetic. It’s like you think that calibration is unimportant. I wonder why?
Oh, I just had a thought…higher SMV girls are more subtle and your calibration needs to be better with them…and your examples are all about girls not being subtle…
ASD
HABD is HABD, so there is that… and while I appreciate all he says and offers, it doesn’t mean we are 100% on the same page. Real field work is required to plumb some of these depths in the meantime.
your examples are all about girls not being subtle…
OK? So? Get’s back to the “different reality”…
Those good looking girls you see, are the girls us secret society alphas fuck. You will never see us out in public with them. (Ask me how I know)
J
Those good looking girls you see, are the girls us secret society alphas fuck. You will never see us out in public with them. (Ask me how I know)
Same thing though broski… It doesn’t mean the beta guys aren’t also fucking them… and I know you know that as well.
You will see tons of good looking beta guys with no game with their good looking girlfriends.
And you won’t see those betas fucking the girls much, either. Girls will throw a beta a fuck every now and then in order to get provision.
I AMOGed a jacked, handsome, 30ish guy quite easily once. He thought that you never get sex on the first date. Very Blue Pill and believed FI horseshit.
Looks won’t protect you against good game. AMOG trumps looks.
But J… tell us how you look? Average? Above average, good looking? height weight.. For science!
@j You will never see us out in public with them. (Ask me how I know) Oh, wow, my first girl was engaged and she would never be seen in public with me. Her dorm was empty except for her so I stayed with her, but she would never exit the dorm with me or go on a date with me…five days of fucking like rabbits. This was after a weekend where the girl flew home to see her fiancé and she was on the rag. Then she flew home for the summer the following weekend after our fling. No… Read more »
@Sentient
Above avg, 6 ft. Not fat or swole….same as I was pre-game circa 2014. Got some looks from girls in school..but then they realized i was beta and didn’t just get it. All that changed once I learned and applied game. All credit goes to Heartiste, YaReally, and RSD
J
Tall, above average looks, trim and game. A killer combo.
Enjoy!
Good shit theasdgamer
I’m not a big proponent of ” amog “.
But what I do know for a natural fact is that with enough of the right game, status will evaporate.
Rich and famous dudes are not a measure. Bill Clinton is in a bubble. Henry Kissinger ( lol ) can’t be everywhere nor fuck everybody they practically don’t even count. The Who never beat me out for a piece of ass.
lol @ Blax cherry picking
I’m below average looks and short! *cries* But in seriousness, i’m partly ‘over’ all of that now. I used to feel very hopeless about it all but I don’t think about looks a great deal any more Looks ARE important, though. I’m not some sluthate/lookism moron who thinks you need to look like a male model in order to get laid, but i’ve got enough experience from going out for so long (for many of them years, not approaching, but certainly observing) to know that good looking guys have it a hell of a lot easier. I used to hang… Read more »
So, Blax, please tell us what you mean by “status” and give us some examples where game beats status. I’m being serious here.
But, on the lighter side, I’m sure that when The Who was playing in your area, it was a sausage fest because all the girls were hanging out on your lawn.
@scars
Even in my most recent FR, I don’t see the ‘problem’ being that I showed my intent in one of the interactions. Or that I failed to flirt with the hot girls friend in a different interaction.
Keep on trying…you’ll figure it out. Do you know what it looks like when a girl is “lit up?” If you can get a cockblocker lit up, then she probably won’t cockblock you.
@j
for me. average height, below average looks, fat, and game…a killer combo!
(I was 5’7″ 125# when I got my first lay. She was hot with D cup boobs in a C cup bra. 5’6″ and I guess 145#. About 10# overweight, but no fat rolls when she stood up.)
@mersonia Its confidence ,self-value ,self empowerment vs entitlement . I might post on it later cause its racking my brain now but someone like blax would prob be better to explain since hes a better example of self empowerment etc. Gotta figure out how to put it into words this whole comment is some great insight… please follow up… — @walawala @HABD/Sentient Would you change if you did it over? Would you recognize the same signal and push it further or back off again? neither… you need to move the interaction sideways… you know, into the ‘liminal space’… — @Sentient… Read more »
HABD those hb SOOO HOOOT!!!! girls will just become, you know… girls Yeah this is one of those things I think perhaps we are missing each other on due to th enature of written communication. Don’t think that a description in a FR necessitates the same in field reaction to the girl. I equate the FR after action more like a drink with your bros… Business is business on the other hand. You might then say well you are subconsciously displaying some tell, theoretically possible true. But I play poker for a living and have been deemed inscrutable. But we… Read more »
@HABD ”my general rule for learning game… and which applies to ANY situ…or skill level… If in doubt about what to do now… escalate…” I just wanted to mention this and clarify something. Is that tip just a way to help your brain learn things and internalise concepts and help you better understand each interaction or is it actually something that is actually useful in terms of getting results and game in general? In some of my FR’s, i’ve sometimes thought ”Shit. I wish I’d have just done some big escalating as a bit of a hail mary move, just… Read more »
Newbs my general rule for learning game… and which applies to ANY situ…or skill level… If in doubt about what to do now… escalate… lol… that’s it… if you’re talking… and you haven’t touched her yet… and you get stuck… touch her… (socially congruently, etc…follow the escalation ladder…) if you’ve touched her already… and you get stuck… touch her again (move up/over on the escalation ladder…) if you’ve kissed her/made out… bounce her… etc… just move to the next step in the process… rinse and repeat… til you get your dick wet…lol Having A Bad Day Put on a business… Read more »
@scars “maybe she’s asked me one or 2 things like my name and stuff” This and her standing with you (she doesn’t have to be standing there. She is free to move wherever she wants) are IOIs. Thats A2. Next step in MM model is qualifying her. Ask her about things you like and see if she has those qualities or shares the same values. Reward her to reach A3 (hug her) Disqualify her/backturn (push/pull) if she doesn’t have those qualtities playfully. “Ok that’s it. Get out of here. You’re done (while physically turning her around (if you have enough… Read more »
@HABD
you need to move the interaction sideways… you know, into the ‘liminal space’…
What is this liminal space? Could you explain and provide examples of what you recommend?
@scars
Escalation
https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/hlmra/dicarlo_escalation_ladder_concise_and_emphasized/?st=iuk3w7jq&sh=c3d02372
@theasdgamer
http://www.girlschase.com/content/how-use-liminal-space-advance-your-dates-girls
Status /ˈstādəs,ˈstadəs/ noun: status; plural noun: statuses 1. the relative social, professional, or other standing of someone or something. “an improvement in the status of women” synonyms: standing, rank, ranking, position, social position, level, place, estimation; datedstation “the status of women” •high rank or social standing. “those who enjoy wealth and status” synonyms: prestige, kudos, cachet, standing, stature, regard, fame, note, renown, honor, esteem, image, importance, prominence, consequence, distinction, influence, authority, eminence “wealth and status” •the official classification given to a person, country, or organization, determining their rights or responsibilities. “the duchy had been elevated to the status of a… Read more »
@scars
https://youtu.be/a6Ggnk3-kbw
Max: “Oh its fine it was nice to meet you” *stops escalating/lazering and turns away from her* for refusing to say “please daddy” and just stands there while she pretends to walk away then predictably comes back because she’s very attracted (high A2)
@scars http://vincent.mucchielli.free.fr/PUA/PUA/Escalation%20Ladder.pdf learn it, live it, love it… @HABD ”my general rule for learning game… and which applies to ANY situ…or skill level… If in doubt about what to do now… escalate…” I just wanted to mention this and clarify something. Is that tip just a way to help your brain learn things and internalise concepts and help you better understand each interaction or is it actually something that is actually useful in terms of getting results and game in general? how’s that FI treating you?…lol (sorry, dr zipper…lol) bc that^^^^^ idea is just the FI pushing on you to… Read more »
@Sentient
Yeah. That is what I thought – frankly I thought the open was pretty boss and that had nothing to do with looks lol.
ya, that open was GREAT!!!!… it’s all the other shit that happened after that that killed you…lol… like all the VALUE that you put on her for ‘being stylish’…lol… A3 is A3…lol…
Come back to thinking it was too easy.
it should be that easy… just read any FR from Blaximus…lol…
good luck!
@theasdgamer
@HABD
you need to move the interaction sideways… you know, into the ‘liminal space’…
What is this liminal space? Could you explain and provide examples of what you recommend
you could also call it the ‘bubble of non-judgmental, non-consequential, non-reality, sexual safe-space’…lol…
good luck!
I like this definition of status:
https://improwiki.com/en/wiki/improv/status
“Keith Johnstone understands status as something one does, independent of the social status one has. Social status represents one’s rank in a social order.”
https://youtu.be/7r726cP0Trw
@theasdgamer
re liminal space…
j put up a good link…
good luck!
@ j
Hence my point somewhat, status is fluid and not really static.
It’s possible to snatch status from others, if need be.
I think looks do matter but only up to a degree. Based on looks alone, I should have had more sexual experience.
I am 6 feet tall, which in a place like Spain is still quite above average. For the shorter guys, let me tell you that I was always blissfully unaware of my height and did not make me more successful at all.
lots of the ‘rules’ aren’t really rules. Lots of direct PUA’s show intent straight away and end up getting the girl so there isn’t a rule that you can’t show intent before she has, for example. They might also fail to qualify the girl at all and still get her. I think pickup has moved along from the mysterymethod days One of the things is the idea that we can build attraction by showing intent. Yareally spoke about this. I think too much mysterymethod talk can do more harm than good for some of these guys trying to get feedback… Read more »
@Blax I agree that status is fluid. Status may be dependent on performance. The Who had high status, but with the decline in their popularity, their status declined as well. The status of upper class folks is trained into them and their status is pretty stable. That status is conveyed by their nonverbal communication. My status in a country venue depends in part on my ability to dance. We men can go into a bar and obtain social proof simply by approaching and chatting up the staff, thereby raising our status. In a different context, we may show status simply… Read more »
I really am guilty of spending way too much time going over and analysing prior interactions! lol Still, I guess it’s better than trying to do it in the moment! I now think that with the girl who I opened direct with, my mistake was maybe that I didn’t ‘own it’. I went in with an evolutionDaily vibe and told her she was gorgeous and I had to talk to her like her does. But after that, I maybe spent too long talking, DHV’ing, asking her questions etc, instead of getting physical. In the future I will try to experiment… Read more »
@phil
Lots of direct PUA’s show intent straight away and end up getting the girl
And what are their names and percentages? Krauser uses MM and publishes his percentages every year. He’s probably the most ethical of all PUA businessmen.
You can spam approach and have a 2% success rate. I think that MM in competent hands has a higher success rate than that.
But after that, I maybe spent too long talking, DHV’ing, asking her questions etc, instead of getting physical. Overgaming is always a potential problem…this is why you need to be constantly listening to what the girl is telling you with her nonverbal communication…if she’s saying, “let’s move this along,” then it’s time to get physical…if she’s saying, “I’m not sure,” then continue gaming. Are you familiar with the idea of “getting in her grid?” Basically, just moving into her personal space near her face…the kiss zone…you want to do that with cockblockers first…build their attraction one on one Two sets… Read more »
@phil “Lots of direct PUA’s show intent straight away and end up getting the girl so there isn’t a rule that you can’t show intent before she has” What you don’t see is that those usually are warm approaches. Girls giving them A2 (eye contact, smiling at them, standing near them, tossing their hair or talking louder so the PUA notices them) based on the PUAs looks (yes good looking guys get lots of easy invites but they fuck it up so often its not even funny lol) or she observed him demonstrating high value in the room building social… Read more »
Last Saturday i was fingering a girl in a bar near her friends (i turned her body away from them for mini isolation) while she sucked on my neck. Her friends eventually took her away so i walked around the bar with a smile on my face when i noticed this girl that another guy had been gaming (terribly) looked at me all sexually. “I saw that” she said. Right there i could have escalated immediately gotten up to her face, smiled and gone “yeah… you like what you saw huh? You want me to play with your pussy right… Read more »
The ‘looks’ thing… Why argue? Lol… TL;DR looks matter only if there’s nothing else that spikes her RAS stronger… Don’t make them matter. It’s exactly like verbals and all sort of subcomms… Like everything coming to the brain from the environment… Some of it won’t register, some will spike/excite a well localized tangible thought or emotion, and some will induce a hardly noticeable background state that shifts the mood ever so slightly… Positive, negative or neutral association… or just ‘nothing’ below a threshold… Lasting only a fraction of a second or decaying slowly… Ahhh women… The stimulus/trigger is just a… Read more »
HABD ya, that open was GREAT!!!!… it’s all the other shit that happened after that that killed you…lol… like all the VALUE that you put on her for ‘being stylish’…lol… A3 is A3…lol… Yeah this was one of the areas I think you misunderstood and wasn’t well articulated. The “you have a leeetle bit” of style was a neg… like despite her display I wasn’t buying it… and it hit like a neg. And the talk about the pants was from her to me… “what kind of pants do you wear” ‘what do you like” etc. Investment from her on… Read more »
IRL
nd then we’re back to “are you actually running game”?
and the question of “does it matter?”… If you are choosing – and succeeding – doesn’t matter.
https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/749tje/ive_been_told_and_rated_that_im_good_looking_and/
@having a bad day, @WestIndianArchie
https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-40/#comment-215006
j – can you give a breakdown of your own transformation, background, etc.? if I got your drift, your current success with pua/game was not as a natural but from focused effort; how has RP permeated thru other aspects of your life?
when you can, any more info is anticipated, thx
@dr zipper
lol got some work to do right now. maybe another time.
@Sentient
and the question of “does it matter?”… If you are choosing – and succeeding – doesn’t matter.
Correct, do just enough to get to the level that satisfies your needs and focus on your next goals and what matters to YOU.
Although you and I… we both do it for the challenge, to test (keep testing) ourselves… lol
Soooo…
@WestIndianArchie
Just pulled together maybe 80% of my writings from various places (thanks Python!), and i’m trying to come up with a way to organize everything. But I’m not really seeing anything obvious.
What’s your book(s) goal?
Who’s your target audience (as in ‘client profiles’… even if you’re not doing it for $$$)?
j – no pressure, whenever if ever
thx
Thanks all for giving me some insight and lists @IRL – Goals of this? Totally gonna Frank Kern you guys. Landing page, free e-book that says nothing, get all my pua bro’s to big me up, collect emails, newsletter with nuggets, finally drop a series of e-books and an audio course. Complete with photos of me with paid for models and a BMW I-8. Boot camps, immersion months, and personally branded lube! But seriously I want to be able to get a hold of everything I think on the subject and iron out the contradictions and conceptual difficulties. Like it… Read more »
@ Blaximus Check out this article on the signal and the noise conundrum we were talking about in newbies learning game. I know there was a tremendous amount of noise when I started learning red pill and game. And now most of the noise gets filtered out and there is mostly signals and they are really strong. This was brought to mind when I was talking to Roused IRL tonight and how ASD posting Roissy’s 8th to a newbie might be uncalibrated. Baby stepping is not to be confused with having courage to go out and perform actions with red… Read more »
ASD posting Roissy’s 8th to a newbie
No, I told newbies to study ALL of Roissy’s Commandments of Poon. Obviously, you didn’t click the link provided. And Sentient referenced XIII, not VIII.
Overloading with info is a time-honored method of teaching used by the military. I was overloaded with info when I started taking dance lessons as well and found it very confusing, but I still learned quickly. Overloading forces the brain to work harder and you learn faster when overloaded with info, despite the confusion.
Obviously, you didn’t click the link provided. I’ve only clicked on it about 25 times and read and comprehended it many, may times over. You obviously didn’t understand the link I provided about noise. Lot’s of noise is out there in the manosphere. Until a neophyte can hone in on the signal they have a lot of background noise. There is a strata of new, middle and older guys that parallels the Mastery levels of competence, whether conscious or unconscious. Same thing applies to married red pill: can’t go Rambo all at once. For newbies in single man PUA can’t… Read more »
@Blax, HABD, Sentient: I want your opinion on this, although I think I know what Blax and Sentient will say. In some weeks time there is going to be an opportunity to bring e-mail saga girl to my place with enough plausible deniability (for a meal) and I’m convinced she would accept. I want to try it, but also think it is stupid to try, and I’m extremely confused. For sure if I pull to my place and she comes that is a strong IOI particularly now that she is single. I consistently do double entendres (it just comes naturally… Read more »
“You are missing the point: of calibrating to the audience. You were speaking to a newbie. Whoever that was when you cited Roissy’s Commandments.”
Yeah, Sentient is such a newbie. What’s up with you?
@Blaximus
It’s possible to snatch status from others, if need be.
“that’s a GREAT comment!… i really agree with that idea… and thank you for saying that…
and just let me say that i LOVE that shirt you’re wearing… i love the cut… it really helps to make your shoulders look bigger… not a lot of guys know how to dress around their weakness… and, you know, i don’t usually like those really popular colors, but that color really looks good on you…”
lol…
good luck!
“It’s possible to snatch status from others, if need be.”
we have a term for that,,,”AMOGing”
@HABD
My reply to stuff like that would be, “Bro, you talk like a girl. Stop that shit.”
@Sentient Yeah this was one of the areas I think you misunderstood and wasn’t well articulated. The “you have a leeetle bit” of style was a neg… like despite her display I wasn’t buying it… and it hit like a neg. And the talk about the pants was from her to me… “what kind of pants do you wear” ‘what do you like” etc. Investment from her on my topic. ya, none of this came through the FR properly…bc what i saw was the opposite of this…lol… but that’s^^^^ exactly how to start off the open… sooo… riddle me this…… Read more »
@IAS
I want to try it, but also think it is stupid to try, and I’m extremely confused.
you need to get your head straight about what YOU want… BEFORE you invite her over…
good luck!
@Rollo
still got one stuck in mod… if you would be so kind…
ah… that brings back the memories…of CH…lol
good luck!
@ IAS
You’re straddling. It reads to me like you’re trying to get a new girlfriend or something. Too much investment.
HABD is right, first and foremost get your head right.
Personally I Woulda dropped email girl from boning consideration a long time ago. I’m not even confident that she can successfully be converted to a fwb. Too complicated.
Avoid mental entanglements with this chick.
@IAS We men tend to want to focus on a single target, but it’s more in our interest to have multiple options. Didn’t Rollo post something somewhere about Plate Theory? Oh, yeah, here it is: https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/19/plate-theory-2/ Please be sure and read all six of Rollo’s posts on Plate Theory. It would be easy for me as an autist to become obsessed with one girl, but that’s against my interests. One girl = 0 other options = no preselection = I’m unattractive to girls = I don’t get laid much Multiple options = preselection = I’m attractive to girls = I… Read more »
“that’s right, the man with the frame that is so SOLID he won’t even let her ‘get away with’ taking the quarter…lol… and see how THAT frame pings as ‘mean’ per the FI?… dark triad, yo!…lol” Yeah its those little things. You reminded me of 3 brief alpha stud moments with 2 separate HB9s. The first one i was at the jungle gym with this Bulgarian chick because i mentioned how i missed being a kid. After we we’re leaving i noticed a small gate door, so i pushed her and closed the gate behind me and started walking away.… Read more »
@HABD: I’d like to bone her in her hotel, without consequences and without getting more feels for her, but that isn’t how the world works (it could be, if I was better).
@Blax: I did drop her from boning consideration after the K close attempt, but then she dropped the info that her bf broke up with her, and that messed with my resolution.
@ASD: yes, I know. I’ve been opening randoms in some day game circumstances but haven’t actually been out to clubs. Doing more with randoms would definitely help.
@IAS
Yes, not only approaching, but also writing FRs about your randoms would also help you. Even just people you chatted with and had fun with. Do you have a social circle? What’s going on there?
IAS I’m extremely confused. Why? What do you want to do? Not what you would like to have happen, or what you think you can pull of. What do you really want to do? Platinum Rule, act on it. See where you end up then. Worst case you acted on what you wanted to do. And then I remember I’m still married, my wife used to live here, I keep pictures of her around, and it just makes me think of that FR of the guy that brought a girl from work home, had her sleep over (on his bed… Read more »
HABD it’s when the stakes are LOWER (ie which side of her you walk on) that you need to have a MORE solid frame… bc THAT is where the margin of error (frame battle) is going to be maintained/increased Thanks. This is helpful. This analysis feels more on target. On the way to the bar she mentions the outside and I told her I was too pretty she should protect me, and did not move. On the way back she mentioned it again and after a little teasing I did move, in my mind this was giving a little comfort.… Read more »
@Sentient: your 50/50 guess on me cracking was with the K close on a random when I had that herp scare, I don’t think you wrote it again when I went for the “dates” with email girl. I wouldn’t say I’m afraid of cutting her loose. I don’t mind being married any more as I have our finances legally separated already and offered her the divorce when I did that and she didn’t want to. I’m now getting quality sex more frequently whenever we are together. But staying married I do feel a bit responsible for the wife so I… Read more »
IAS
“your 50/50 guess on me cracking was with the K close on a random when I had that herp scare”
Yeah that was it…
So answer the important question – what do you want to do here?
@Rollo, it’s your blog. If you think it fits better here. I post it here: “Ok you guys want a field report here is one. That ‘accepting my physical form’ I used that whilst applying for female only scholarships. In their regulations it stated that it said you can only not apply if you are male. And since I identify as a women I said I am of neutral gender and appealed that they shouldn’t discriminate against me like all these other poor women (my passport supposedly said I am neutral gender) I was send the paperwork. However they wanted… Read more »
Albert
“So what now?”
Go fuck yourself…
OK. Went out last night and made 3 approaches trying to implement my understanding of MM. I wrote a massive FR, clicked the submit button, and then got some sort of error saying something like ‘unable to post message’ and lost it all. D’oh Haven’t got time to post it all again, but long story short, most of the sets were indirect open, FTC, DHV stories (they listened, but didn’t really seem impressed or ask me anything) – I took these as IOD’s and returned with my own IOD (turn away from them as if something else caught my attention)… Read more »
I started on a new thing in the last couple of days, and that is when I’m out and about (between doing things, for example when out for a walk in my lunch hour, at the supermarket, in the swimming pool between sets, or going to and from the changing rooms, etc), if i see a woman, just approach and start up a conversation. I’ve approached 12 random women in the last couple of days, not much to report, apart from this observation, that despite myself being relaxed, I noticed the women were quite nervous. I’m trying to work out… Read more »
p.s. It’s the nervousness from the woman that mucks with me, it makes my mind go completely blank.
tober 5, 2017 at 11:25 am Roll if you’re available help! So I’m having a dilemma… I’m brand new to this concept, however; I’ve used some of the principles you speak of. I’m not the best at executing though. Here is my situation, a girl I’ve known for 6 months has shown some interest in me recently. Specifically she accepted me request on Facebook after I added her a few months ago. I messaged her and within a few messages I asked her to go out for coffeee. She replied “yeeeeesss!!wheeeeennnn???” I said a day and asked when she’s available.… Read more »
@mackay “OK. Went out last night and made 3 approaches trying to implement my understanding of MM.” Props man. Keep at it and you’ll see gains pretty soon. “DHV stories” You mentioned stories several times. But what are DHVs? They are cues that convey your value. They don’t have to be stories. They don’t even have to be verbal. It can be anything that flips the right switches in her brain, shifts her perception of you in the desired direction. Savoy in his Magic Bullets lists different levels of DHVs (from most to least effective): 1. She observes it. 2.… Read more »
Chunky Monkey
“It’s the nervousness from the woman that mucks with me,”
Consider it an IOI… You are massivly higher value than these girls. They are not afraid, they are unworthy. That is what you see.
Have fun with them. Slow down… Also hit on hotter women.
IRL
“Re “showing my intent”. If you don’t ping off as a ‘sexual threat’, any further direct ‘statement of intent’ will not help you. It will just force her to reject you if she’s not interested in you ‘this way’ yet”
Tight!
@ Chunky ” I started on a new thing in the last couple of days, and that is when I’m out and about (between doing things, for example when out for a walk in my lunch hour, at the supermarket, in the swimming pool between sets, or going to and from the changing rooms, etc), if i see a woman, just approach and start up a conversation. ” Now THAT’S what I’m talking about man!!!!! I cosign every word Sentient responded with – ” Consider it an IOI… You are massively higher value than these girls. They are not afraid,… Read more »
Savoy in his Magic Bullets lists different levels of DHVs (from most to least effective): 1. She observes it. 2. She learns of it from a trusted personal source, like a friend. 3. She learns of it from a neutral source. 4. She learns of it from a source that is biased to me, like my friend. 5. I tell her. Aha! This is why Dance Game works so well…the girls observe high quality dancing. The girls observe me leading other girls. (Dominance Display) The girls observe Preselection. And they see other girls laughing and having a good time. (More… Read more »
Oh shit, I forgot to add –
You will see that some of the random chicks you strike up a convo with will actually try to become more engaging, sexy, flirtatious after the initial shock wears off in a few seconds. It’s their biggest weapon ( for most of them anyway ), so now they are doing some work to present themselves to you in a positive light.
Ohhhhhh…. this shit is just too good!!!!
@ChunkyMonkey Great approach to approaching man! That’s the guy who does it the right way. Now that you open everyone, think of the next step… or two. I usually role play a bit. Like this girl with a bottle you had there… this is quite frequent. I tell them that I still expect a full candlelight dinner and I’m not cheap. Or that they seem interesting and all, but I need more comfort and connection before I let them take me to their place and get me drunk. Smirk, calibrate after the fact if needed… but they just open laughing.… Read more »
@Scott Red Flag Count 1) a girl I’ve known for 6 months has shown some interest in me recently. RF = 1 2) Specifically she accepted me request on Facebook after I added her a few months ago. – accepting Facebook request != interest – just doing it now – != interes RF = 3 3) I messaged her and within a few messages I asked her to go out for coffeee. Online approach +1 Boring date + 1 Date + 1 RF = 6 4) She replied “yeeeeesss!!wheeeeennnn???” I said a day and asked when she’s available. No reply…… Read more »
@IAS In some weeks time there is going to be an opportunity to bring e-mail saga girl to my place with enough plausible deniability (for a meal) and I’m convinced she would accept. I want to try it, but also think it is stupid to try, and I’m extremely confused. For sure if I pull to my place and she comes that is a strong IOI particularly now that she is single. I consistently do double entendres (it just comes naturally to me as I find it funny) and she has been playing along with that considerably more than before.… Read more »
@theasdgamer IAS @HABD My reply to stuff like that would be, “Bro, you talk like a girl. Stop that shit.” you’ll notice that Blaximus didn’t respond (react) to that comment at all… (not even an ‘lol’…(insert frowny face…lol))… he just changed the subject (addressing someone else) to… (@IAS note – Blaximus’ comment is right on target too… and not just bc he says i’m right…lol) @ IAS You’re straddling. It reads to me like you’re trying to get a new girlfriend or something. Too much investment. HABD is right, first and foremost get your head right. Personally I Woulda dropped… Read more »