For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
Rollo, kindly have a look at some additional stats from Gallup polls
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1364226590423490561/photo/1
“62 percent of women without children under the age of 18 prefer to work outside the home.
“23 percent of men surveyed preferred to don the homemaker role in marriages”.
Also have a look at this study from the American compass
https://americancompass.org/essays/home-building-survey-part-1/
https://americancompass.org/essays/home-building-survey-part-2/
Just some food for thought, I guess. Make your own decisions from this stuff.
One additional gem about relationships.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181015100505.htm
Hey guys, I am rookie in this whole red pill awareness and like everyone one else I wished I knew about this 20 years ago. I started my MAP in November 2020 and although I did sensed a good response at the beginning (sex improved, quantity and quality) I have obviously lost my frame along the way. Her kryptonite? she responded to my actions exactly the same way I was behaving. I started working out, she did the same thing. I removed my attention because I was setting boundaries, she did the same way; I started putting myself first, and… Read more »
MAP… Male Action Plan from Athol Kay. The old rubric on that forum was one year of MAP for each year of relationship, so uou are still a year off. You are at the phase where you shouldn’t be thinking about her at all. Focus on you and doing things hiu want. How do you get a cat to chase a string? You pull it away. So go engage in your hobbies/pursuits/me time OUTSIDE the house, preferably where there are hotter younger women around and continue to work on your frame and leadership when inside the house. You have a… Read more »
Right now you are in the middle of a massive frame battle
IF she is even noticing you at all that is.
Pump the brakes sparky.
The old rubric on that forum was one year of MAP for each year of relationship, so uou are still a year off. Typo that matters: one month of MAP per year of relationship. Remember that actions speak louder than words, her hindbrain is “speaking” to you through her words, talking to her is just so much noise in a lot of cases. She flops onto a bed or couch on her phone? You go with the kids, take then out of the house to do something. Just walk, or do something in a park. Ignore noise from her, do… Read more »
Also weigh in on your background
How many women prior to her
Any relationships
Kids
How old is she, her background
Finances, work issues?
Health hygiene issues?
Sex issues?
How autistic are uou 1 to 10?
AK had a whole triage thingy
Ok so I have to step in and ask opinions of the boys. I’ve worked for the last 3-4 years with the sole purpose of understanding game and getting with younger women. The intention was to gain access and just spin plates, buy a bigger boat, and party. In the current context, that’s a bit hollow. The RD has arrived on the scene; and I have to differentiate oneitis against a pragmatic appraisal of what’s on offer, whether In fact it is on offer, and whether I want what’s on offer. She arrives again on Friday for almost a week… Read more »
Quick answer – keep her around but go get three more.
You’ve spent how much time together? A month? Six weeks total?
Waaaaay too short.
And don’t let the false scarcity of COVID world influence your decision making.
Her girl game is 💪 💪 this is how it happens!
More tomorrow
Palma “Thoughts please” Mrs Box and I celebrate 40th aniversary this year. She was 23 when we hooked up , I veted her for ride or die tendencies. First there is the trditional weding deal , then the split personality -insecurity of a pregers woman next post partum depression and ways to raise a child discussions. At this point she will have frame , you will need to work to shift it back and keep it , frame that is. When she hits menopause you will be 78 , her running around in pigtails fucking up carrot cakes will become… Read more »
Epic description Stuff…
…insecurity of a pregers woman next post partum depression and ways to raise a child discussions When a woman “plans”, I become wary. Women as a gender do not have capacity for long term planning, but women mimic they can though to achieve goals like getting married (at late 20’s “Where is this going?”), getting commitment. So, it means you do not have frame. If I get out of this alive I am headed down to daytona florida , moving in next door to my old drinking buddy Big Al , we are going to sit on the beach and… Read more »
@Stuffinbox I said keep her around – not marry her! we are going to sit on the beach and figure out how to bang 20 yo hotties I’ve literally spent the last 3 years doing that – what you gonna do when you manage to bang one – be careful what you wish for – there’s no going back to coach after you’ve travelled first class dontyaknow.. lol.. When I moved to where I live now for the first time after my divorce ten years ago I was still seeing my son regularly. We walked to my local park and… Read more »
Palma Just remember you are dealing with New Relationship Energy on top of everything else. Everything is wine and roses and everyone is playing their part. In love with love and in lust with lust… All good and all fun. Enjoy. However… there will come more familiarity and you know what happens. Now you’re in a place where you can manage things and handle things and steer the ship. So all good. But you may find yourself tiring of this. It could take 2 years now, but keep it in mind. A business partner used to say “pressurize a situation… Read more »
Palma , who’s to say I am not riding first class now?
The food here is good yet they don’t want me mingling with the other cpasengers.
Disgruntled has a great comment for you +100.
If you decide to have more children here is a pro tip Don’t drink an IPA ‘to take the edge off’ before parent teacher confrence.
The new thing is to have the kid breast feed till 18 to save on groceries.
Tap it light.
@stuffinbox
If you decide to have more children here is a pro tip Don’t drink an IPA ‘to take the edge off’ before parent teacher confrence.
i lol’d… +1… been there, done that…lol
good luck!
I agree Palma, he handled the situation very good – although that’s generally the way how you teach a child to behave and – more importantly: how to interact. On StuffInBox’s response: I’m a bloody noob on game, but I have experience with “overage” parents. At my birth my dad must have been like early/ mid 50s (and my mom ’bout mid 40s) – it is pretty clear they did not plan on conceiving me. Now this is gonna become a slightly longer story. I was born in Munich, where my father worked as an IT-Systems engineer and my mother… Read more »
@Palma So what do I really want? Or want do you still think society wants you to want? Be careful about acquiring more children, regardless of the method. Think of how that affects your plans and also your new relationship with your son. It’s so easy to fall for a nubile young woman. Been there done that. Regret parts of it but it was the best time I’ve ever had. One thing I did notice was at that age when they’re serious they really, really don’t want other women in your bed. Mine collapsed mostly because there was too much… Read more »
@Palma: I’m arriving late to the party and much of what I’d like to say has been written by more experienced people. Don’t go exclusive. Vet for longer. Even if you don’t marry her, having a kid with her eventually lets her extract resources from you. You know this because even now I’d say your ex (your son’s mother) still extracts some time out of you, directly or indirectly. Also consider you may be overestimating your capacity to keep it under control given that you’ve kept it under control in very specific circumstances, where she is coming over to have… Read more »
@PalmaSailor
you’re gettin’ great advice…
just one question from me…
what’s her name?…
good luck!
@stuffinbox I am writing this mostly for myself as I still have the same urge to “knowing what I know now take another shot at the happy familly life”. What a timeline, solid and funny. Thanks for the heads up… lol @Sentient A business partner used to say “pressurize a situation and see where the fissures develop”… After some stress testing THEN you’ll have a better idea of ride or die status. This^^ @Palma, you haven’t seen her in other contexts, interacting with other people, long-term. Only in this artificial 2-person 3D picture frame over a short honeymoon “rabbits f*ing”… Read more »
Great post of Blax’s criteria IRL.
Blax is missed. Wish he would check in.
Thanks for all your feedback which I’ll mediate on for a bit.
Even as we speak and I’m thinking it through, my opinion is changing.
Being locked down has skewed everything – practically speaking it put a huge multiplier on what was already a good outcome. It’s created a disproportionate and skewed view.
If I hadn’t been locked down, then by now, having crossed the rubicon – which was the difficult but – I would have another two in the kitty – which would give a very different outlook.
So thanks again.
I went to a particular pizza joint for the first time. It was a smorgasbord and a hostess asked me if there was any particular kind of pizza I would like. Later, she came back to my table and asked me if I wanted a refill…I said no…then another, younger, hotter waitress came over and asked me if I wanted a refill…no…then the first came over again and asked me if I wanted a refill…I said Ok so that she would quit bothering me, lol…she wanted to do something for me…if people do something for you, they tend to like… Read more »
Looks like my alter ego is posting as me again.
The alter ego posted on Mar. 2
For sport I’ll answer Blax‘s survey. She’s been on the scene since late November (so 4 months+)and believe it or not we haven’t talked about much so there’s stuff I can’t answer. There’s not been a lot said because there was nothing really needing saying. It’s easy to spend time with her in almost total silence for days on end. How does she treat others? Well from what I’ve seen. On the two occasions we went to a restaurant she was polite to the waiting staff. What does she say about other people to you? Does she ” hate ”… Read more »
@Palma
I’ve not seen her angry
The question isn’t if you’ve seen her angry but if you know HOW she functions under pressure, when things aren’t as planned, when problems arise etc. Not only in the moment but also afterwards (fixing? preventing? improving?).
Circle back to this:
“pressurize a situation and see where the fissures develop”
You ‘stress test’ (or ‘vaccinate’… lol) a relationship to accelerate the “getting to know each other” stage and also test/build resilience and trust (taking her on a journey through rollercoasters and handling them does that).
My lack of being out much the last year is showing… 😒 It’s the second story. Thurs. night I went to my neighborhood bar and saw a couple of guys who are casual acquaintances and one was very drunk and I figured out that I needed to avoid him without him getting wise. My buddies had dates. This bar doesn’t have a dance floor, but I did a line dance anyway to live music. Later, my sober buddy was dancing with the date of the other one. I asked the sober buddy’s date, “So you don’t dance?” Then she asked… Read more »
Interesting observation : Daughter Gamer brought an interesting colleague in the house. A charming young fellow won’t be more than 26, good looking, easily 9/10, has amuse mastery. My granddaughter kept looking at him all the time, wanting him to look back. Girls have a separate space in their brain for Alphas, visually observed.
Keep your day job.
The return of dick twitch girl… Last saw her four months ago, she was with her kid. At a new place sitting in the back but facing the door see a long haired girl with a mask on, waving to me as she goes to the counter. I wave back, have no idea who it is. She talks at the counter a minute then comes back in with a heavy set guy. Little older. They order. She looks over at me, I look back. She comes all the way I to the back, now with mask off and guy in… Read more »
@Sentient Last saw her four months ago, she was with her kid. Is this the one that was moving house and wanted ‘help’ either moving her new bed or something? I don’t remember precisely, but something to do with moving? At a new place sitting in the back but facing the door see a long haired girl with a mask on, waving to me as she goes to the counter. I wave back, have no idea who it is. She talks at the counter a minute then comes back in with a heavy set guy. Little older. They order. She… Read more »
Palma
Yeah same one. I think guy was wantingg. To sit outside and she brought him inside was the deal.
The center isn’t holding, the summer is going to be a fuckfest. 🎩 🍸 🧉 🥳 🎊 🎉
@Sentient the summer is going to be a fuckfest. Despite the odds work is beginning to pick up, and with some women, the minute I walk through the door I know I’ve got the job, regardless of price, and some are just OBV.. DTF. They’re at home climbing the walls. The RD has gone back for a few weeks so I’ve been catching up on my inner circle and this is just the last 24 hours worth of women that have hit me up. https://imgur.com/a/KElr8vb Unprecedented pro activity. Next month the restaurants open, and that will be the start. If… Read more »
My deep respect Palma, online on my part works like nothing, which still wonders me, as the profile is heavily visited. Anyway, it probably is because at 19 years you’re a biddy (in contrast to school lol). So I’ve met a few people recently and literally all women I met had a boyfriend and most of them found him on Tinder – one to two years older of course. (you see, I appreciate “age apropriacy” here lol) I bet beer gardens (and outdoor restaurants) will be reopened after easter here, yet meeting people will be bound to (slightly illegal, but… Read more »
@NNN1
“because at 19 years you’re a biddy (in contrast to school lol).”
So lie about your age. Be what they want you to be. My profile shows me as 6’9” and I’m 5’6” on a good day.
🤷♂️
@NNN1
Got any pre selection in your pictures?
https://imgur.com/a/RDyTsDC
The link does not work lol. “Preselection in your pictures?” – Not really actually. Regarding desperate women: Do you think men just handle slight isolation / reduced contacts better? In my – admittetly – small social circle at the shut down university, the one girl who admitts to not have a boyfriend is the one who really pushes for meetups. So she is the only one of three girls without a boyfriend (at least she claims that) – french, pretty small but OK. – And I’m the one guy of three without a girlfriend lol Anyway, last weekend she wanted… Read more »
Secrecy? The first girl I banged asked if I hit on our other friends in our social circle. I said “sure.” It was one of two sht tests before we banged. (Her other sht test was whether I knew she was engaged. “Sure.”) Rule breaking signifies alpha. If you bang a girl in your social circle, you get preselection, but the anti-slut defense will also pick up and you have to know how to handle it. That’s where you do secrecy and you never talk specifics when you say you’ve banged other girls. When girls ask, you say, “Classified.” Girls… Read more »
Rollo, the imposter is posting as me again.
nice try
@NNN1
Don’t play the social circle game, I mean it. In my early pickup days, I used to Game women using social connection, who fucked with multiple guys as well. You’ll lose your social status for fucking women in a social circle even if the girl you banged was a hoe. Instead try to interact with women in an isolated manner, in that way you’ll be able to see what she really is, and she can’t get to you using social laundry after you’ve messed up with her.
imposter troll
@NNN1 The only objective is I cannot party all night Then don’t. Decide what you want: party with friends or isolate and spend time with the girl? Then do that. Do you have any routines / ideas / links for that? Simple: lead. Buuut… you need to understand social dynamics, sub-comms etc. BTW, a good sperg-o-meter was this set of calibration activities from YaReally. This is to help newbs to develop social skills and practice on strangers, so not really for your situ, but have a look at what’s meant by reading social cues, sub-comms, leading etc. How well you… Read more »
Great reminder. Wax on. Wax off style.
Right, I’ll follow YaReally’s advice as soon as venues are open. On Monday I’ll probably try isolation in increasing steps – like changing the room together, going outside, going for a one-minute walk, etc. Parallel escalation: Hugging on first meet, caressing her hair, touching her earring, then her cheek. In isolation: coming closer to her (while avoiding a big move lol) touching her hair… … And now my imagination really just stops; … Maybe holding her side head, like below her ear and pulling her in just a little and watching her response and in doubt changing the topic. Then… Read more »
@NNN1 The link does not work lol. It did work but I didn’t leave it live for long. Try this https://imgur.com/a/g3V8LJW “Preselection in your pictures?” – Not really actually. You know you need it, why aren’t you taking it seriously? The above pics got the RD, and anything else I got online. Regarding desperate women: Do you think men just handle slight isolation / reduced contacts better? In general yes. Women are struggling badly at the moment. In my – admittetly – small social circle at the shut down university, the one girl who admitts to not have a boyfriend… Read more »
@NNN1
find a copy of the Vin dicarlo kino escalation ladder…
then learn it… love it… live it…
good luck!
@NNN1
Don’t overanalyse the kino escalation ladder. It’s not to dance around kissing a girl. It’s to be smooth/calibrated while actually going for it.
What’s the lowest number of steps to get to your destination?
I got the ladder (and had it before lol), but probably hoped for it to “just happen” and since Christmas there wasn’t a lot going on. Yet this version https://de.scribd.com/doc/202670438/Kino-Escalation-Ladder-2nd-Edition-Vin-DiCarlo appears logic at first. Anyway @Palma: it’s not really my buffering YaReally’s advice, but lockdown making it definitely more difficult. Besides that my first priority is the last exam tomorrow, then the internship as part of applying for a scholarship. The french girl is just one thing running next to it – yet a pretty sweet one. Additionally, she wrote (in a group chat) she failed two exams in which… Read more »
@NNNI: you know that is the wrong approach, so don’t stick to it. Don’t volunteer to teach her. That is literally telling her your time is less valuable than her just being there. You don’t want to position yourself as an orbiter or provider, that is a DLV. It isn’t that it 100% won’t work, if it does work and you get what you want (to fuck her) from this gambit, that is only because you managed to get it there from a starting disadvantage. You do want to get more contact, but don’t “buy” it in this kind of… Read more »
Just checking in – it’s been a while. Hope everyone is well. Since my last post I’ve been traveling the country looking for a better place to live and spent the better part of 4 months spending a week or two in different cities. For the next 6 months I’ll be in the mountains as it’s a friendly area that’s growing fast. When I first stopped in, it seemed like most available women were looking to build a family which was a breath of fresh air as compared to the armpit hair, radical feminism and impulsiveness that was pervasive throughout… Read more »
One little tidbit from an online dating app exchange that I had recently. This particular woman had posted a photo of herself in a one piece that was cut to show side-boob. Instead of falling for the thirst trap I messaged her and commented on the photo of the waterfall to the left of her on the shelf “Is that waterfall near X? I was just exploring that area and spent a bunch of hiking the backcountry there.” A couple of weeks go by and she messages back “Yes! It’s x waterfall in x city!” and proceeds to offer to… Read more »
Working on a customers house in the roof. At this stage it’s filthy work, and my young lad labourer and I are literally covered in shit and dust and wearing proper masks / respiratory gear. Customer has a daughter – early 20’s, slightly older than my labourer and she’s in the house bc da’pocalypse and not working because is a swimming coach and that’s verboten at the moment. My labourer is a good looking Chad but struggling with girls at the moment bc he just wants to bang them. I’m struggling to get through to him. Anyway, he doesn’t fancy… Read more »
@Catchers When I first stopped in, it seemed like most available women were looking to build a family which was a breath of fresh air as compared to the armpit hair, radical feminism and impulsiveness that was pervasive throughout the last city I lived in. I get what you mean. There’s something totally toxic about the rad fem stuff that just leaves me not even wanting to be there. It was rabid where I’ve been living for the last 3 years, and having stepped back to “normality” it would be easy to “over reach” and assume that they all want… Read more »
Another 25 Y/O
I couldn’t sleep and she happened to be online – she ignored my opened a month ago but I hit her again.
Right through to s switch to what’s app then a date agreed for Saturday lunchtime.
https://imgur.com/a/77eqh9y
@palma Thanks for the feedback and I appreciate the comments. That’s one thing that I tend to forget in my interactions is making it fun / building tension. I honestly believe that many people online are there for the attention / validation and are not actually there to meet anyone. Texting is certainly the death zone and I need to remember to escalate to avoid being another one of the matches in her inbox and make myself stand out. Just read through the text convo you shared and already feeling inspired. Good luck on Saturday, she seems eager for approval… Read more »
Catchers
How ya been?
Your interaction was fine. Don’t sweat it, she will probably open you gain when she gets bored.
I honestly believe that many people online are there for the attention / validation and are not actually there to meet anyone.
well the hind brain knows what it is doing, even online. Putting it “out there” is still putting it out there. The rest is up to you…
Attention, Interest, Decision, Action!
“We make hydrogen cars” – lol.
Political freakout in the UK. Probably just political theater. But after the endless Coof panic, who knows?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1409084/Curfew-for-men-Will-UK-have-6pm-curfew-for-men-women-safety-evg
Palma
Looks like she invited herself over… nice.
On the daughter of client. Just isolate her, ask her what she does at night, what she would do if no Rona, where she would hang out then you can slide in a “I may go there sometime” and ” you should hit me up when you go” and use that to get her number kind of thing. All while lasering and subcomming you are raw dogging her…
Seems that daughter of client is 34 and married.
Really have no idea how I got that so far off base.
She hasn’t been back since
34… my my
👓
Absolutely astonished – astonished I tell you.
Even my labourer is gobsmacked. Just goes to show what being a swimming coach does for you.
Nothing from Saturdays lunch date – the WhatsApp ticks are grey not blue. I’ll do something else now anyway. All I need is proximity and she’ll be in the bag.
It’s all about not getting butthurt that she’s gone dark. I reckon she goes dark on men all the time and they lose their shit but I’ll just shrug it – I want to sort out the boat for racing season anyway.
Found the to be interesting https://psyarxiv dot com/xbdtj/ “Playing of dating: Adult playful individuals have more long- and short-term relationships” Abstract Number of romantic/sexual relationships is suggested as a proxy of potential reproductive success. Cross-culturally, both sexes desire playful long-term mates and playfulness predicts relationship quality. It is yet to be tested, however, if playfulness is associated with number of long-term and short-term relationships. We hypothesized that specific playfulness dimensions would correlate with the number of lifetime short- and long-term relationships. Specifically, we expected that Lighthearted playfulness would be associated with more short-term relationships, while Other-directed playfulness would be associated… Read more »
Fun night last night singing karaoke at my local pub. I met some fun people and chatted them up and they sang, too. There was a unicorn present–a 23 y.o. nine. She wasn’t mingling any and barely chatting with anyone when I looked, including her friend who came in with her. Late in the evening, she sang a duet with another girl and did a passably fair job. Afterwards, I yelled in her direction, asking her if she had been in choir. Four years, she said. So I asked her if she wanted to sing a duet with me and… Read more »
So, i realized that I didn’t unpack what was going on at the karaoke. (I didn’t plan any of it–it’s how I roll.) Now to unpack it… First, I established social rapport with men in the bar and I am on friendly terms with the owner. Social value established. Second, I yelled to the unicorn. There’s a rule against yelling at unicorns. I broke a rule. That’s a signal. (Alphas are rule breakers.) Treating a unicorn very casually–like a kid sister. That’s a way of establishing value. Third, I did a cold read at the same time. Value signal. Bonus… Read more »
So a few things have happened lately and it’s my sons 18th on Monday, and he doesn’t want to see me.
I can’t explain why, but for some time I’ve fancied rowing the Atlantic solo.
I’m almost decided to do it solo, and I want to raise funds for charity, but it’s gotta be a men’s charity, so I’m thinking something like prostate cancer.
You guys vote on it, and I’ll go with that charity,
.
Let me know.
Look into these guys:
https://www.mankind.org.uk/
Ok. Looks like a good cause. I’ll go with that.
I’ve approached Talisker for 2021
https://www.taliskerwhiskyatlanticchallenge.com/2021-race-entrants/
@NNN1 ”Preselection in your pictures?” – Not really actually. I have got hold of another woman by using the same pictures I used to get the last one. Again, she’s via a forum as opposed to a dating site and again, she’s younger and remarkably good looking, however there were no pictures on the forum, it was just a “girl seeks boy who’s not scared of the big bad wolf” situation. She’s quite a lot younger again and I have t even mentioned my age. But I just sent her the pictures and she came back instantly. Five pictures –… Read more »
Ate at a restaurant yesterday and recognized the server–she’s been at my neighborhood pub. She wanted to know if I was gonna go there tonight. The girl is mid-20s and a little chunky (nhb 5-6).
Field report So I’m still working at the house with the customers daughter who I though was early 20’s but is actually mid 30’s and married and lives locally. She does look 20’s, and has no kids. Because of da’pocalypse daughter isn’t working much and is around at the house a lot seeing her mum and dad. I’m working on my own bc my labourer can’t seem to get his thumb out of his arse. These are nice people and every day I get a cup of tea in the morning, tea and biscuits mid morning, a sandwich at lunch… Read more »
The husband probably doesn’t matter, so don’t talk about it as long as you don’t want to rund a “boyfriend destryoer routine” (the german PU-forum is full of that). And it seems reasonable to ask her to WhattsApp the pictures, or go straight for the number as of “Was nice talking to you, so hand me your number (or hand her yours’) to stay in contact.
Most people are eager to establish any form of social contact.
Work the Instagram angle… make sure she posts the pics she took. Then have her come round to your place to take some pics of your work there and show you how to post them to your account or whatever (which is very easy).
Don’t mention lunch just do something while she is there, if she comes.
The insta angle is plausibly deniable and establishes comms.
Her comment about her husband is a positive.
She has beta sorted. If she’s looking for anything its an alpha fuck. And you after 15 years an IT guy isn’t hitting those notes too often. No need to mention him anymore.
What you need to demonstrate is the secret part of secret society. Discretion. Her family can’t find out.
It has to happen in that liminal space.
So your pitch has to be spot on. She has to know but not know what’s up. Laser and a touch of kino are your friend.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Chiycyz14GE
I’ve been puzzling over figuring out a woman’s message: “I’m drinking Patron tonight.” She was buzzed, but not tipsy. Did that mean “I’m gonna fakk tonight” or “Buy me a drink” or “Make a move on me” or “I’m ready to spend money on a hotel”? Background The bar where the woman said this doesn’t carry Patron. I’ve known this woman for many years and danced with her many times. She goes out weekly without her husband and is early forties and shows a lot of leg, generally. Very nice body. Face is a 6, but she is extraordinarily nice… Read more »
Does YaReally’s “Mr. Miyagi” drills translate over to day game well? For some reason I feel more comfortable approaching in the day vs. at night for, so perhaps that’s something I should improve on as well? Asking as a long time lurker of game blogs whose finally getting real skin in the game, so I’m basically a noob for lack of a better word.
P.S. Thanks for the recommendation Sentient, much appreciated.
Hit it HABD!
400 drill incoming…
Hit it HABD! 400 drill incoming… lol… @Lumenwood props on making the choice to put in the effort to improve your life… you’re not the first man that has approach anxiety… and you won’t be the last… Culum Struan was a good case study… (and i hope ‘the PUA formerly known as Culum Struan’ is doing well…) https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-89/#comment-256319 https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-138/#comment-285005 these^^^ are some followup comments by @Culum… i couldn’t find the comment where i laid out the challenge for him, but… basically, the 400 Challenge is to approach 400 girls (or anybody… if you are really struggling socially… and if that’s… Read more »
and here is the followup reply
https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-89/#comment-256329
good luck!
I always read HABD’s 400 drill comments in Vin Diesel’s voice 😀
Hi HABD! I’ve been getting back out socially since October and have started back dancing beginning February and am getting my social legs going again. I dance with friends first, then unattractive girls, then attractive girls. In between I nurse a drink and chat up (male) friends and couples I know and meet. I don’t need a number, but a path and a strategy. I get invited to private parties in bars where there is no dance floor and I am doing karaoke now, which is new to me. And now I’m friends with a DJ and get drinks free… Read more »
Gentlemen your thoughts on this?
https://ifstudies.org/blog/number-3-in-2018-male-sexlessness-is-rising-but-not-for-the-reasons-incels-claim
Gay
What is your actual question? What are you trying to find out?
You may be doing this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumination_(psychology)
It’s not good for you.
Shit test and guard dog spin up So the RD has been here 48 hours She arrived Saturday night and it’s now Monday night. She is in quarantine until she leaves so she can’t leave the house. All good so far and all fun. I’ve been cooking as usual. I’m more or less having the week off but I worked half day today and I’m working all day tomorrow so she has been / will be in my place alone. For what it’s worth I bought a truffle and some wild mushrooms to mess around with when she arrived and… Read more »
Nice. They always always always push…
And it’s soooo easy just to give in that little bit to “get along”…
Sounds like a plan HABD. I’ll be doing the challenge everyday until I hit 400. As far as the lockdown situation is concerned, I live in Blue State Shit-libtopia, so bending the rules is gonna be even extra fun lmao. DO you recommend I keep a log of any particular interesting things I notice during my approaches?
P.S. I think I’ll keep the name to Lumen from now on, it sounds a bit better tbh.
Good luck Lumen.
@Lumen
I want to say good luck, but it’s not about luck.
It’s about optimism and doing the work.
I’m not going to interfere in this except to say it’s a 400 challenge. That means 400. don’t stop at 399, if in doubt do 401.
No one else out there is doing the work, you do it – and you’ll clean up and get what you want.
Good start. Don’t stop. By the way, if you interact with someone who is full of negativity, just continue on and brush that negativity right off of you.
Agree with Palma on “399 vs. 400 vs. 401”.
@Lumen
DO you recommend I keep a log of any particular interesting things I notice during my approaches?
anything that will help you see patterns and develop insight is good… journals/logs tend to do that… but don’t use them as a buffer…lol… only think about it/write AFTER you have made ALL your approaches for the day and are back at home…
good luck!
Looking to buy a house. Swamped with work so not spending too much time on it, delegated browsing to wife. She hits me up with opportunities and I just act on them or ignore. Residential market is bullish and good offers disappear quickly, within a week or so. We go to see a house that’s above what I intended to spend. Ok-ish, not maxed but not a fixer either, could move in on day one. Some rework potential inside and expansion potential outside. Looking to live there for a while, so not that bothered. This is one of few houses… Read more »
^^ just for reference an offer isn’t binding over here. People put in offers all the time and get it to D day and then chip a bit off.
Some sectors of society go through three purchases at the same time and chip them all at the end and just complete on the seller that folds.
That’s right. Wondering what my play is to either go lower on the property price or walk away without burning too many bridges.
Two other options:
nuke it and keep the girl focused on what’s ahead… lol
or just buy as is and keep lol-ing…
The cat has learned her lesson regardless… lol
“It sounds interesting, but I’d like to see some more options.”
I’d look at the opportunity cost of having to go do the dance with a bunch of others.
People get too emotionally involved with houses and most home buyers and sellers think they are Donald Trump all of a sudden and burn opportunities over inconsequential monthly 💵…
If you plan on living there more than 3 or 4 years I’d just roll with it and move on with the real things in life. If you are planning on living there less I’d just rent.
PS – many markets in the US are 3 to 4 HOURS on the market…
Between £1,500 and £2,000 to get to what you guys would call close, for us that’s exchange, and we “complete” usually a month later – though it can be done same day.
We have lawyers involved and they’re usually shit so there’s that complication.
@Sentient
the real things in life
Thanks, exactly what I needed to read.
@IRL
It sounds very ghey and woo woo for me to say this but which of the spaces to you actually like, and which can you see yourself living in comfortably.
Having moved back from the PRG and living in a space i didn’t like into a space I do now like and everything about my life has changed.
Other circumstances count as well, but the space is a big part.
@PalmaSailor IRL
that’s not woo… it’s basic hierarchy of needs sh*t…
good luck!
The masking bs doesn’t bother me as I go unmasked wherever I want. If I get stopped, I just claim a health condition.
The problem is the vaxx passports that look to be coming. For some, it will be an opportunity.
Any ideas on how to deal with vaxx passports?
nvm, I was talking to myself.
oh, look, the impersonator is back
@gamer
Any ideas on how to deal with vaxx passports?
Get with a nurse in a local hospital and when it’s you and her in the room, she can sign off that you’ve had your vaxx but it went down the sink.
It’s happening everywhere. Money may or may not be changing hands. Or you might be banging her.
Just a nurse? I think I’ll be dealing with several people.
Why? How many people are in the room where you are while it’s being done?
That was the imposter. Verify on my blog.
The nurse would be jeopardizing her license and livelihood by committing fraud.
At present I’ve read that a good portion of nursing staff will not take the vaccine themselves.
Wouldn’t it be more expedient for them to just say they took it if it were so easy?
I like your solution…two bangs for the buck or something
@Rollo: Happy birthday, Rollo.
I’m very thankful for the knowledge I received from you.
Also thanks for continuing to host the comments section, I really appreciate it.
My sense returned at full strength today. Evidence I had vivid.
covid, not vivid
Sense of smell
Quick synopsis; I’ve been reading game and this site in particular for years and it’s helped me beyond more than I could imagine. I’m an escort and I’ve slept with many beautiful women so far in my life; fell in love many times as well as had my heart broken many times; I’m aware of the many rules and conventions of the game but I’ve never been in this situation before so I was hoping you guys could shed some perspective and wisdom and please be brutally honest. I recently got out of prison 7 months ago. I started working… Read more »
So I have no experience in this situation, but maybe my questions help a bit: – Maybe she just wanted to have more options, or – Maybe she just used you to make him (the other one) jealous – she might have been very invested in her future with him, while he might not have been interested. So you were an easy way to “show her value” Maybe she really saw you as a possible boyfriend candidate, but the other one had something she felt better – which could be a lot actually, or her social circle preferred him. Maybe… Read more »
@Noe “So my questions are: do you guys think she genuinely has feelings for me?” She had feelings for the mystery man you, the vibe of your confidence with women and attitude of abundance stemming from viewing her as 6-7 smv. X con could have helped to ,don’t know what she knew. , “did she see me as a real option to be a boyfriend?”, There is Mr right and Mr right now. She had a sense of urgency for you as Mr right now. Not so bad a deal “and especially, if she said she didn’t want to hook… Read more »
Update: She finally hit me up to hook up; you could tell it’s been a while, she was squirting all over me..she told me.that her boyfriend was trying to control her and she was not having that; she was supposed to meet up with him the night night before she met up with me; we fucked non stop; she rode me nonstop, squirting on my dick nonstop; she told me she doesn’t give me the same attitude; I stayed the night and I fucked her all day the next day, and she met with him that afternoon; but she sti… Read more »
Is this the Marquis?
Whoever it is he’s playing games, which isn’t the optimum approach.
@Noe Reminds me of a story my late father used to tell me – he couldn’t reconcile it. Post Korean War, so 1950’s he had a friend that used to meet this girl once a week at such and such a place and time and they’d bang. Never met her or saw her apart from that. This had been going on for ages. There were very few land phones, no internet and no mobile phones. So no communication like there is today. One week she wasn’t there and he thought “muh..” but just in case he turned up the following… Read more »
Holy shit man you were right on target, those were the same notions I had but it feels better now that someone who’s being brutally honest is saying the same things. To add: Would that make me the AF?; she paid for everything, I stayed at her place, never helped with trash/dishes/cooking; she bought me whatever I wanted and needed, she would just say, “I just want you to fuck me and make me cum, I’ll take care of the rest”. Wanted and loved when I treated her like a whore in bed; even in public(with her own family) she… Read more »
What was the cause to prison mind if I ask?
Rollo, another im-post-er.
Are you saying I’m an imposter? Lol
no, the other theasdgamer
Residential Burglary
To be quite frank with you : I am laughing out loud.
Update: She finally hit me up to hook up; you could tell it’s been a while, she was squirting all over me..she told me.that her boyfriend was trying to control her and she was not having that; she was supposed to meet up with him the night night before she met up with me; we fucked non stop; she rode me nonstop, squirting on my dick nonstop; she told me she doesn’t give me the same attitude; I stayed the night and I fucked her all day the next day, and she met with him that afternoon; but she sti… Read more »
Last night, a girl was talking about a project where she created a fake pu$$y with a $hit eating grin–talking to another guy, she said vaj. I thought it Beta bait. She was at the bar with her bf.
I don’t know why anyone would want a replica of prince Harry but, to each her own.
Markle married one, didn’t she? Different strokes…
@VEGA Would that make me the AF?; she paid for everything, I stayed at her place, never helped with trash/dishes/cooking; she bought me whatever I wanted and needed, she would just say, “I just want you to fuck me and make me cum, I’ll take care of the rest”. Wanted and loved when I treated her like a whore in bed; even in public(with her own family) she would act slutty( bouncing on my dick during a party and letting me pull on her hair, it seemed like she didn’t give a fuck. In her mind you were the AF,… Read more »
Something is definitely going on with “dating”
Theees an enormous uptick in activity from women.
These are the likes I’ve received since Friday night, and it’s completely unprecedented.
https://imgur.com/a/LdtkT5a
This is apparently going to open up over here in a month and I think it’s going to be a free for all when it does. Women starved of male contact are desperate I think.
That Charlotte is the winner here… Yeah the pinging is really amping up. I was at a place getting to go food. The bar was full so I was standing off the corner a few feet away started to deal with a waitress. Bartendress knows me, comes over to tell me a seat just opened up. I head over and this 40s blond hottie and her fat friend are looming at me as I walk to the seat next to her. As I’m doing so the bartender plonks my drink down right in time. Blondie says Wow she saw you… Read more »
That Charlotte is the winner here… This has happened since then https://imgur.com/a/DwUcO0j But in the meantime this keeps delivering itself to my door 🤷♂️ https://imgur.com/a/Cs5P6fH Yeah the pinging is really amping up. I was at a place getting to go food. The bar was full so I was standing off the corner a few feet away started to deal with a waitress. Bartenders knows me, comes over to tell me a seat just opened up. I head over and this 40s blond hottie and her fat friend are looming at me as I walk to the seat next to her.… Read more »
Here you go Palma
https://qr.ae/pGTQzc
Goes with that top choice cut.
An old Cheech and Chong routine has a Russian officer and soldier coming on a piece of “dog chit”, but they aren’t sure it’s “dog chit”. So, the officer, in turn, orders the soldier to smell, touch and taste, to confirm it’s “dog chit”. Once it’s been 100% confirmed to be “dog chit” they congratulate each other on not having stepped in it. I have a family member (only by genetics), who wants to be safe from COVID-19. Drove halfway across the state to take the J&J with no ill effects. His spouse, got the “Moderna vaccine” –had chills and… Read more »
It’s at least pretty unlikely to get serious damage from CoViD-vaccines, I have many good friends here who got it and who have had no problems.
But I also have several friends who got CoViD and had serious side effects.
Everything you do can just possibly kill you. Be it racing a motorcycle or just climbing the stairs at home, death lingers behind every corner, possibly.
The thing is: you need to see the reality of statistics, which is CoViD is not the smallpox or anthrax, yet modern vaccines are an even better option.
Just my few cents 🙂
You’ve just got to own your own existence one day at anytime. That’s what I’m doing. And I’m not taking the experimental drug.
@If
The ones pushing me to get the shot own stock in drug companys or are just plain uneducated and following the media. In either case it’s about agendas.
Medical protocols -SOP’s are getting to be more about the $ and less about health , on a downhill progression.
There are no guarantees cept death and taxes.
Heading: Story about Billionaire and “OnlyFans” model messy and litigious Breakup. Subheading: Real life example of Beta bucks and female solipsism. Hi Guys. Sometimes we need real world examples of how these “Rational Male” philosophies work out in real life. If you’ve been a reader of this website and know the principles given by Rollo Tomassi, this article (which you must read) is THE textbook case. The guy in the scenario is, colloquilial speaking, a whiny needy beta who bitch onflates his wealth (excessive) with his biological sexual value (zilch). The girl is someone who is clearly trading sex for… Read more »
@Sentient I was at a place getting to go food. The bar was full so I was standing off the corner a few feet away started to deal with a waitress. Bartendress knows me, comes over to tell me a seat just opened up. I head over and this 40s blond hottie and her fat friend are looming at me as I walk to the seat next to her. As I’m doing so the bartender plonks my drink down right in time. Blondie says Wow she saw you coming! I lean in real close as I get I to my… Read more »
IRL well the IOIs were way more up front with this one, so it was practically a green light vs the snarknado of the other. She also had a habit of sticking out her tongue, pink and pointy to lick her lip or her teeth, not when looking head on at her, but when her head was turned to the side, like in paud before she was saying something. Never saw that but some sort of sexy play. Her older BF sounds like a classic richer olde guy, she was caring for a recent shoulder injury he is suffering for… Read more »
@If-I-Fell Does everyone want to get shot on purpose? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7913136/ A fun fact from the article: Another interesting, more recent case are the effects of an episode of the Portuguese TV show Strawberries with Sugar [37]. In the show, the characters got infected with a life-threatening virus. After the episode had been broadcasted, more than three hundred Portuguese students fell ill. They reported symptoms similar to the ones that the TV show characters had experienced. Among these symptoms were rashes and difficulties to breathe. As a result of these symptoms, several schools in Portugal actually closed. However, an investigation of… Read more »
” . . . the symptoms were caused by mass hysteria.”
There’s a paper out there that is tagging “long COVID” as the first disease spread by Twitter.
This might seem like a slightly obscure enquiry but what do you guys think in the following scenario: A woman chooses you and allows you into her house to work there, and you may be working for 2 or 3 days So far, working in these houses the woman has been quite happy to leave me alone in the house – with total access to the whole property and all it’s contents – sometimes for prolonged periods while she leaves and does other stuff – goes to work – walk the dog, kids to and from school etc. There has… Read more »
@Palma Getting down to brass tacks, “is her hindbrain making the SAME decision it makes about who she lets into her knickers?” Definitely , Same as game, first impression, attraction, comfort, lead, isolate and close the deal. She will even let you into her panties but then getting paid gets complicated, I don’t mix business with pleasure. “So if we finally get to what I’m suspecting, and that is where a woman has the CHOICE who she lets in to work in her (territory) house (so not a cable engineer or something where you get the guy you’re given and… Read more »
Athol Kay used to say, any woman that will be alone with you for more than three days is open to being banged by you. Said in the context of a visitor, friend staying over etc.
Similar dynamic I imagine. I’ve seen a couple of divorces due to the “handy man”
@stuffinbox That’s exact what I thought. Until now I’ve never mixed it with business, because primarily I’ve wanted to get paid. However I’m now doing lots of volume of Lower value work, or the gubbermint are Paying anyway so I’m thinking – why not? Right now my clients are a bit older, but now I’ve got the theory, the practice can wait until I get the correct target. @Sentient Yeah, you mentioned that when I was working in old friends house with EEGF. I couldn’t act on that at the time, but today I’ve finished a job, I’ve been in… Read more »
@Palma
“the gubbermint are
Paying anyway so I’m thinking – why not?”
Keep looking for the next opp
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/03/29/uk-government-scraps-green-homes-grant-after-six-months/
“People who have had their applications for vouchers under the scheme accepted will receive any money owed, but no new applications will be accepted after the end of this month.”
My guess is the laws against rent and selling low r value fossil fuel heated are still in place.
@Stuffinbox Yeah I’m on that. I didn’t give you the full rundown bc I’m thinking more about banging the women. I still have one other plate I’m spinning that’s turning up today, but I’m determined to crack secret society, and roll out the acquisition of younger. It’s obv. That younger needs proximity and in person game as opposed to online. It went bonkers getting quotes in prior to the deadline. I’ve been doing nothing but issue quotes on that stuff since I told old friend to stick it in November. I have a lot in the system to be installed… Read more »
Ps My guess is the laws against rent and selling low r value fossil fuel heated are still in place. Yeah, and they’re tightening that noose. The next click is in 2025. Everything has to be MOAR EFFICIENT! The last point is that they are ratcheting up the compliance faster than they are thinking it through so there are only about 270 people who are qualified to oversee and sign off ECO funding in the country. From the end of June it all stops unless you have one of those qualified guys. And In a minute it’s going to be… Read more »
@Palma “I didn’t give you the full rundown bc I’m thinking more about banging the women. I still have one other plate I’m spinning that’s turning up today, but I’m determined to crack secret society, and roll out the acquisition of younger. It’s obv. That younger needs proximity and in person game as opposed to online.” Sounds like you have your priorities in order.LOL Not sure if secret society is for younger snatch as much as it is for older with more at stake. For the younger nonchalance is as good as secret because nobody cares. IMO. Also you could… Read more »
@Stuffinbox Eco Warrior That really isn’t me. And I can’t even fake it to be honest. But the whole gig is good because it does legitimately reduce energy costs by a long way. So there is a return on the investment – it’s a strong sale. I’m quite near to starting to turn the handle on this thing bringing in customers via telesales, and they will be younger. The nurse that is a plate and is spending a few days here right now came in via telemarking. 😂😂 we cold called her to sell her something else and she ended… Read more »
So, bars have opened up for outside seating only. Yesterday evening I walked from my flat to a bar i used to go to and sat myself outside for waitress service. Very hot young (early 20’s) thing comes to serve and I want beer and a bit of lime juice to go in it. She gets a bit flustered with this but mages it and we chit chat about loads of stuff. She has nothing else to do bc there’s only about 4 outside seats and I’m the only customer. Lockdown is doing her head in, she lives just up… Read more »
Ask her if she can cook, she probably can’t, and use that to invite her over.
If she says she can, use it to invite her over and show her how much better you are.
“Lockdown is doing her head in,” There is no lockdown on a sailboat, rowing across the atlantic or just up the street at my place. “she lives just up the road in a quiet village (it will be with parents though I didn’t ask)” We all have to live someplace the key here is she is dying to get out for excitement even helping an exciting man , someting new different & cool anything she has already seen the male selection in her proximity. “and nothing is going on etc.” sounds like an invite to show her a good time.… Read more »
@Sentient & Stuffinbox Thanks. I don’t thing I’m going to be able to engage until Saturday now but watch this space. Then “come over and I’ll cook” thing seems a bit overt, will need some toying with. And possibly end of a shift for her so she hasn’t got time to “discuss” it with any influencers. When there is nobody around you don’t need it, what you need is social proof and to be seen as dangerous to other men, women this age can sense when you intimidate the boys. I’d always thought that they needed their own plausible deniability,… Read more »
“come over and I’ll cook”
Not that, more can YOU cook, expecting a no and then a story about your DHV 999 and then something like come by and ill show you how to do it… pace it into the interaction while subcomming strongly
Thanks. For some reason sometimes I don’t see what’s right in front of me.
If she were age appropriate That^^ would just happen on autopilot and I’m not even sure I’d know what I’d actually say.
@PalmaSailor
If she were age appropriate
how’s that FI treatin’ ya?…lol
she IS age appropriate… for evo/bio purposes…
the FI is cunning and pervasive…
even for RP dudes (including me…) it sneaks in around the edges…
+1 on @Sentient’s advice…
good luck!
@HABD
how’s that FI treatin’ ya?…lol
Keeps catching me when I’m not looking lol..
I keep hitting my head on the extractor in the kitchen as well, lol, similar thing.
“Damn, not again, I why can’t I remember that’s there?”
I met my GF in a coffee shop. She’s15 years my junior and she started chatting me up. I’ve always been a big believer that if her (or whomevers) desire is high enough she’ll make the opportunity happen if your SMV level meets that desire. I’ve always been more surprised in life by this, staying in my lane, and sex always came easy. Just go back and do your thing. I think given enough opportunities, if she’s interested, you’ll get the invite. If not, you don’t waste your time. It’s the one thing I’ve learned from rational male is that… Read more »
Lately I’ve been catching episodes of the show Sex and the City on cable. When it was a live series on HBO 20+ years ago I saw bits and pieces on travel, and it often left me pissed off for no reason I could explain, it was just…what bitches! Argh! I have not really seen much of the show since then. Some of the scripts were written in part by a gay man, and that shows when one or the other of the four women is acting….wrong. Yet the series is based on the 1997 book by Candace Bushnell who… Read more »
@Emill Kim Well thanks for your support, but I think you might be new here and I don’t think you’ve quite got the concept of GAME. You might be in the “just be yourself” camp – which is a dangerous place to be. Just go back and do your thing. I think given enough opportunities, if she’s interested, you’ll get the invite. If not, you don’t waste your time. It’s the one thing I’ve learned from rational male is that the shift in attitude changes everything. Looking for it and chasing it, never works for me. The age gap (30… Read more »
Univ. of Michigan professor gets #MeToo’d. At least his approach wasn’t quite as brain dead as Harvey Weinstein, but that is not saying much.
I like the part where he brings in the Illuminati…and the quotes from Pablo Naruda.
https://distincttoday.net/2021/04/23/past-students-say-professor-of-rock-n-roll-sexually-harassed-them/
“I played with Dylan” doesn’t work as well as it did in the previous century.
Ms. Brown told the coordinator that, at first, she believed it was consensual. She acknowledged having feelings for Mr. Conforth but told the coordinator that she quickly became anxious and conflicted after their sexual encounter. She soon recognized, she said, that she had been manipulated, especially after learning from a friend — another student in his class at the time — that Mr. Conforth had left a note for her saying that he found her attractive.
Classic.
PS – if you say you’re Illuminati, you better be illuminati 😆 🤣 😂
5s… look at these grown ass women, mid 20s… look and act like kids.
If he had chosen 8s things would be different.
Epic frame battle with this woman from inner circle. Out the gate she wanted me to qualify myself with the first comment. She reached out to me after we matched. Then that stopped 12 days ago, she didn’t reach out to my number, instead today, she sent me her number and I hit her up. She’s shit testing hard throughout, I think she’s a high end banker or something living in an expensive part of London, hence she got the IRR comment. I’m bored with it tonight and going to bed so I didn’t respond to her picture of her… Read more »
So many evo-bio-psych-soc / redpill red flags lol:
https://fournine.net/pregnancy-discrimination-nearly-killed-baby-boss
https://fournine.net/onlyfans-saved-me-covid
Two years ago:
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-melinda-gates-marriage-wash-dishes-relationship-secret-2019-4
Today:
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-melinda-gates-announce-divorce-end-marriage-2021-5
Divorces don’t just happen… For the newbies/lurkers, worth reminding (credit @HABD): guard dog situ… how do you train a guard dog?… you push it a little, and when it ‘fights back’ (pushes back against your frame) you let it ‘win’… next time you push it a little harder, and when it fights back, you resist a little bit, but then you let it win… rinse and repeat until you can break baseball bat over its head and it will still rip your arm off… same thing with girls…lol… you push against her frame, but when she pushes back (with her… Read more »
@IRL
hmmm… it’s almost as if ‘choreplay’ didn’t work…lol
https://therationalmale.com/2013/01/30/choreplay/
good luck!
Put a little field in the field reports… Went out with WK bud. Place kinda empty. One Hattie, late 20s blonde blue eyes 5,7 125… close to an 8. She’s at a table talking with an old guy and a dog. We getbour drinks and I seat us at the table next to theirs so she is looking at me. [Get proximity and eye line] We have our drinks and condo and I observe her and old guy and it’s clear they know each other but aren’t together. Interestingly no eye coding from her. She remains in convo. Everyone in… Read more »
@Sentient
On way home WK bud says man you were really harsh on that girl…
lol…
good luck!
Nicely played – I don’t know how other newbys and lurkers here feel, but I always feel like I gain enormous amounts of knowledge through your reports.
It’s probably primarily seeing the game through the eyes of a game-aware dude.
Now – how do you do your “laser eye contact”? Is it just about looking into someone’s eyes for longer than usual – or also about your facial expressions along the way?
Anyway – great to hear a story of an open bar around one gamer.
on the laser… Think of it as holding direct eye contact while your mind is saying “yeah girl, you know you want me to take those pants off you. and I know you know i know it…” Like literally have that going through your mind… with some real hunger. Then triangulate your vision – go from her eyes to her lips, back to her eyes, back to her lips, maybe down to her chest, back to her eyes… while you are nodding and going along with blah blah blah coming out of her mouth. When done right you should be… Read more »
Ya really goes deep on this here
https://www.reddit.com/r/yareally/comments/64e8ma/a1_body_language_eye_contact/
La Ruina at 32M
I always feel like I gain enormous amounts of knowledge through your reports.
That is mutual. that’s the whole point of posting FR’s there is always something to learn from all of them.
where oh where is the playa formerly known as Culum Struan? At least check in and let us know you are alive…
@NNN1 Eye contact, preening, and courtship gestures was covered in Body Language by Allan Pease in 1984. Not quite in the same way as @Sentient points out below. I’ve had a copy since 1985/1986. My dad bought it for me to help in my sales career and it did but I studied the bit about courtship more than the sales bit. The thing about eye contact to remember is that if two men lock eye contact and neither breaks away they fight, but if a man and a woman make eye contact and neither breaks away they fuck. So remember… Read more »
Palma, I read the first passages (’cause I need to go study now) and I believe you. Thank you for the ressource.
Gonna read on during the day.
Also Thank you @Sentient for the ressources and the ongoing support – even after nearly a year of mentoring you all are going on to help me and other young men here.
// I just realised how long you help me already, so sorry if taht reads a little cheesy.
Palma
Great find! Wow 1984… deserve a place in the Game pantheon and merits further investigation.
Not quite in the same way as @Sentient points out below.
Actually his description of the “intimate gaze” and triangulation is identical. Fascinating.
Now I see why you’re seized on the hair flip…
Question – by focusing on one form of IOI, and that being reinforced by experience, might you have done even better by observing multiple IOIs, i.e. IT’S that were not hair flips?
Interesting
Wow 1984
Yes, more confirmation is always useful. Can’t help but wonder if some other sales-oriented books from the last 50+ years are also still out there.
Thanks, Palma.
@Sentient / Anonymous Reader Question – by focusing on one form of IOI, and that being reinforced by experience, might you have done even better by observing multiple IOIs, i.e. IT’S that were not hair flips? Well I didn’t know it was an IOI per se. I’d only read the book, and that was the first on the list. The other IOI’s did happen, but the hair flick was the one I acted upon and so that became the de facto standard. Possibly in my head more than anything else. In 1985/86 I was 18/19. My N was 32 at… Read more »
I am tempted to think there’s a Rolodex and they just go through the IOI’s until one works IMO there is not, and there is. A lot of these IOI’s are not necessarily conscious. Or at least, not at first. Hair twirling/ grooming / tucking behind the ear can go on while they are distracted by other things. It’s a clue where their hindbrain is wandering. Ditto some of the other IOI’s. They do this stuff with zero conscious thought, it just happens. The girl just happens to be standing allllmost touching arms while next to you, looking out the… Read more »
Palma In 1985/86 I was 18/19. My N was 32 at the 21st January 1991 when I went for an HIV test. I was 23 at the time Lol, similar here. I remember taking an AIDS test, being scared a bit. People were dying all around for real. Almost all queers but the hype was Covidian… Put to music… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fD6Qr3O29vM But yeah one a week was just going out… wasn’t even a thought, just happening. And yeah the other guys that were really killing it! One guy was famous for banging different two chicks in the same night. One before… Read more »
Actual field report – I failed but I’ve been thinking it over for a bit. 28yo widowed black girl who texted me 6 months after after we initially met in my car during a cold winter’s night during lockdown. I chased her over the span of 2 weeks and she eventually told me she wasn’t interested/not ready to get into a relationship yadda yadda. Texts me out of the blue saying she’s changed her mind and I was pretty nice to her and could hold a convo so she’s interested again. So I sense she’s fragile and undecided due to… Read more »
Disgruntled-
You white knighted yourself on behalf of her dead lover… BP runs deep and pops up in odd places.
So your analysis is correct.
Onward.
It took me a few days to realize what I did to myself. Any chance of recovery or is it done? I suspect I’m doa in this situ
Just to add to the previous post – I feel that due to me not attempting to jump her bones on the supper date she now views me as a pussy and not worth further consideration.
“Reply” doesn’t seem to work…
Sure you can try and recover. Worth a shot to learn.
Start over. Reset. Back to square one, build some attraction, escalate etc. As per normal. She reacts to the feelz in the moment not what you did two weeks ago.
@Disgrunteled The only thing worse than lousing up is lousing up and not owning it – so Well done for owning it. The BP runs deep and unless you are looking at every single interaction you drop back into the preinstalled routines. I still do it all the time. To put it into context I heard a tale a few years back where the widow of the deceased was banging a fellow mourner at the post funeral drinks event in the former matrimonial bed. So keep that in mind. I’ll bet you volunteered the “no strings” thing anyway, I doubt… Read more »
Thanks Palma/Sentinent – that’s the feedback I was looking for With all the above said there is so much thirst for alpha out there, That’s the thought I was getting when analyzing my fuckup. I need to be on alpha mode full-time. (I used to call it Hunter Mode in my teens before the BP wrapped itself around me tight). I agree she may have been pissed at not getting busted a move on. I actually did volunteered the “no strings” thing – it’s worked before but I’m giving up on that line. It does the situation no good. In… Read more »
@DisgruntlledEarthling you are getting great advice… and learning a great lesson… just a couple thoughts from me… I’ll throw out a supper invite and see what happens at this point you are behind the curve… sooo, drinks ONLY til after you convert… ‘supper’ is provisioning (=BB)… and it wouldn’t hurt you to have her bring the wine/drinks over (if meeting at your place… tell her what you like…)… or you can pitch a meet ‘out’ then bounce back to your place… for another drink… make her pay for her own when you meet… then be ready for the provisioning sh*t… Read more »
@Disgruntled I’ve been busy here so didn’t read the full thread properly. My take on the tight dress and the “brat” comment was she was DTF. I actually did volunteered the “no strings” thing – it’s worked before but I’m giving up on that line. It does the situation no good. Honestly I’ve done this myself in the past and I saw her face drop in real time. You’re disqualifying yourself as a candidate, and she knows that’s because you don’t feel you could be a candidate. So it’s a DLV. The kicker here is that she was only talking… Read more »
That was my take on it yesterday. I wish my big head would catch up to my little head a bit more.
I’m seriously kicking myself, but whatever…
Launched another text so I’ll just wait
No strings thing…
Totally agree with Palma. The only way this works is a) you turn around a BB vibe in situ, or b) you’re subcomming so hard that it’s all just a pretext and you BOTH know it…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e77-dDzcVgM
I’m seriously kicking myself, but whatever…
It is a problem when you’re fundamentally a decent bloke.
It’s totally counterintuitive that being a [slight] arsehole is a DHV and actually turns them on.
Exactly!
I read the words and watch the vids on this but I still don’t always operate on this level by default. Sometimes I do and things work out (and that still surprises me). I need to be continuously more aware of how I operate and the default choices I make.
I used to be such a teaser when younger. But then 28 years of BP marriage left it’s mark
There was a great comment at The Chateau, something like
“I feel bad for girls. Imagine only getting turned on when someone is mean to you.”
I don’t think it’s interpreted as mean.
Remember it’s coming from a guy with options, they don’t get turned on by butthurt betas being MEAN, I think the whole thing is based on the “playfulness” of the “meanness”.
Ie not really mean, just enough to indicate that the man in question DGAF and isn’t taking her seriously.
I think that’s the key – overtly not taking her seriously
Palma
Well the perspective of “mean” is from a guy.
But yes it doesn’t literally mean simply calling her a fat slag… like a sperg.
It’s teasing, not taking her seriously, and establishing boundaries.
“Jabbing her with the sharp stick of No” as kfg brilliantly puts it.
Which of course is the polar opposite attraction building behaviors guys want.
Micro text game report: The french girl is back from France and we (as a group) arranged the next group-meetup on Monday. As I’m not on Campus all the time but will be there next week I figured I could arrange a date with her this Sunday. Now I’ve tried this already. Back then I pinged her excessively, when she mostly responded positively and after two or three times she asked if I wanted to continue the same motive all the time. Now I felt invited to go on by “Actually I wanted to propose a date now [emoji]” –… Read more »
@NNN1
Is this the same girl that was on your balcony last time in the rain and I said that was your escalation moment?
@HABD / NNN1 I’ve been thinking about what @HABD has said about cooking for a few days now because you can’t avoid the fact that on a first pass it’s beta provisioning. It just is. End of story. So why in my case has it worked every time. I’ll have to break it down because there are subtleties, and not so subtleties. First look at how a chump would approach “inviting a girl over for dinner”. Firstly, he’d tell her he’s cooking for her, and he’d ask her what she wants to eat. She will hate being asked because she… Read more »
As @HABD has pointed out, I’m not cooking for them.
Micro example of a couple of the commands of poon:
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority
IV. Don’t play by her rules
Your mission: creating one or more tasty things to eat. She can come along or not. Good food worth eating is the priority, not her entertainment.
Your kitchen, your rules. Of course, any kitchen can be “your kitchen”, but that’s for later.
@Palma and @Anonymous Reader: Great advice, thanks for that. Now luckily I did not invite her over “for dinner” (and I don’t invite them in this beta school boy way, ’cause when they disclaim it makes you look like the ultimate helpless beta). I think shortly before she arrived back here she hit me up on WA as for a (imho) bingo-type question on a subject. But clearly that was not because she was interested in that but wnated to reestablish contact. Either you, Palma or Sentient have proposed to (i.e.) go for a walk and then back home just… Read more »
@NNN1 Either you, Palma or Sentient have proposed to (i.e.) go for a walk and then back home just naturally start to prepare a meal and go on with that. Good Because of logistics I’m gonna go with the omelette. Ok I don’t want to diss the omelette, but omelette for a french girl who has recently lived in France is not the same as omelette for a girl that lives in downtown America. They make chefs cook an omelette during the interview for Michelin restaurants bc it’s so difficult to get them to the standard they expect. And the… Read more »
@PalmaSailor i KNEW you were a great example for a case study!…lol everybody playing along on the home addition, pay attention… bc ‘inviting a girl over for ‘food’ ‘ (hint – it’s not about the food…lol) is a great way to ‘isolate at the sex location’ (with plausible deniability to give her hindbrain/hamster something to work with…)… sooo, at some point, (provided you are putting in the work…) you WILL be in this situ… @HABD / NNN1 I’ve been thinking about what @HABD has said about cooking for a few days now because you can’t avoid the fact that on… Read more »
going through your life eating sh*tty food bc you don’t/can’t cook for yourself is really letting yourself down… This brings up a whole ‘nother world of “your mission”, by the way. The feminist health book of the 70’s called “Our Bodies, Our Selves” did have a point or two. Too much junk in our food supply, including stuff like bisphenols, junk that mimics estrogen. Those takeout boxes? The lining is a plastic that you don’t need to eat. Really, we need to avoid eating that stuff. It’s all part of the self-improvement / self development, just like a pile of… Read more »
Whilst we’re on the subject it’s reminded me that some women shit tested me very hard whilst cooking. And the following have cropped up regularly whilst doing pizza: Her – Are you sure you know what you’re doing? You – No I’m blagging it Her – do you really know how to make dough from scratch You – no, but it’s a good way to hide the Rohypnol and you won’t notice the difference 😉 Her – How can you mix pizza dough in a saucepan, don’t you need a proper mixing bowl for that? You – No. Her –… Read more »
@NNN1 So the trick with the flambé (of anything) from a seduction (emotional spike) point of view is decent flames that happen quickly without warning. Danger – that you control. You don’t tell her you’re going to do it, and there’s no clue beforehand, so it looks like the shit has just caught light and the kitchens gonna go up in flames. The first shot is all you need in terms of ingredients (unless you fancy a bit of vanilla ice cream on the end product) https://imgur.com/a/uJlfO1j The second shot is mid cook with the flames dying down The third… Read more »
Danger – that you control.
You don’t tell her you’re going to do it, and there’s no clue beforehand, so it looks like the shit has just caught light and the kitchens gonna go up in flames.
It’s an “instant roller coaster” effect. Girls like the perception of some kind of danger, and that’s why many of them like roller coaster – when the coaster reaches the op of the curve and juuuust starts down is when some screams begin, and more are heard on the way down.
Instant, unxpected, roller “Danger that you control”. Good stuff.
Thanks – I’d love some feedback if a few of you try it…
Somewhere in Alabama a guy says “Palma, hold my beer…”
https://i.insider.com/50ad1e49eab8eaa13b00000c
So for those of you who have been following along the RD has now been her for nearly 3 weeks and it’s been totally cool. Curved ball, I called my son who answered the phone and we agreed to go out for dinner. He turned 18 during lockdown and so I did t get to see him. I’ve actually seen him about twice in three years. So this really is a curved ball, and last minute I agree to meet him at [favourite local restaurant] which has only just reopened. He has now finished exams and he always rejected my… Read more »
Awesome Palma. So happy for you. Raising a glass 🥂 🍻
@PalmaSailor
He volunteers he’d like to go out again but can’t for some time bc he’s hanging with friends. And I’m thinking it’s gonna be 6 months, but he volunteers a date in 9 days time, and I’m stunned by this but agree.
see, things are gonna work out with him…
sooo, congratulations!…lol…
ps. don’t forget to offer him that summer job…
good luck!
@Sentient / HABD Interesting, the whole thing about not committing to a date, followed by him confirming the very next day I had available – but doing it at the last minute. That was either her “getting it out of the way” because of course while she was running interference she couldn’t make any plans either, or him nagging her. That whole event could (would formerly) have been played for a lot more nuisance value than it was. For the first time in what’s coming up to a decade I could actually feel her power slipping away. I could still… Read more »
@NNN1 PalmaSailor @Palma Nice report from the app. Actually (formerly serious) news magazines here promote such POVs and life choices all the time. I think the last coloumn I saw adviced a cheating housewife with “you go girl” and “It’s perfectly ok to cheat on your partner” – nothing special. this is the final push for the commie insurgency/elite slapdown… = to break the trad family structure and to minimize the beta production surplus that allows a middle class/western civ… it’s the natural result of Hypergamy Gone Wild(tm) lol… On evolution: Even Peterson acknowledged this several times, selection is a… Read more »
In the situation I just responded with “that was my plan”.
can you see how this is a logical (beta) response to her comment?…
10 better responses now. Go!
For real.
@NNN1 I’m glad @HABD has chipped in so I’ll just show you this bc you were “getting bored with it”. It was my text exchange with a friend on the night I first met the RD: https://imgur.com/a/6yV9oyi 30th November 2019 – 20:19 I was about to get her a cab and ship her out because it was tedious. But I didn’t. By 20:04 she was chilling Then on the morning of the 1st December her jeans still on my sofa. Now this happens regularly: https://imgur.com/a/D4Gu7O1 The game is going down with or without you. You’re in it, you might as… Read more »
Palma
That’s epic… the texts and the jeans…
NNN1 if she goes back to your place she is definitdtf. You need to then figure out the process. May be speeding up, may be slowing down…
But better a slap in the face and she storms off than a limp handshake goodbye…