For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
We used to take note of how these 10s and 6s run in pairs,almost if they plan it that way.
What is more likely is they get along better and don’t compete with each other as a more equal team would.
It helps to have a wing man in these situs to take the heat of the 6.
What phase is the 10 in?Build comfort and rapport,then see what happens when she comes in heat.
@YaReally, Scray, Hank, PUA. I guess I might as well copy paste my recent FR here. This was in a non-English country where I know only 3 sentences of native language. I got to the venue early (free entry before midnight – I got there at 22:30 and it was essentially empty. I warm up by greeting some other guy that was also there, then went to look around, asked a 2-set dressed in similar clothes “I got here too early?” “Yes” “What about you?” “What about us” “You also are here early” “We *work* here…” I shrug and eject.… Read more »
nice post. im testing this
@IAS Hard to say how much is the language barrier but In between I chat up one of the bouncers, asking him what he does to not get bored while waiting for the place to fill up – “I just got used to it” – then if he has any stories, he replies he worked for 14 years as bouncer, I go “You must have seen everything then” but he doesn’t start telling me any fun stories (professional ethic?). You want to get off work talk as soon as you can, or not bring it up at all. You want… Read more »
Heheh, I really like this Black Pill commenter. And wish him the best of luck. To convert. IDK, but it is probably about 1:00 AM in South Africa right now. It’ll probably be a couple hours before he has some rem dreams of his last field report. I really like the mix-up of advice to have better strategy. As a red pill and married man game enthusiast, I think this new Field Report section can also be used for red pill theory. In light of Black Pill’s recent field report, which was by all means a positive for him, needing… Read more »
The subservient frame and the PNP- mechanism The PNP mechanism is a behavioral psychological and biological mechanism creating addiction. To be able to have a man connected to her for a time long enough for procreation and for her children to reach independence a woman subconsciously uses the PNP mechanism and puts the man – without his noticing it – in a mental state called the subservient mental state. Nature has predisposed the man to fall into woman’s PNP mechanism giving him a strong instinct of protection toward the woman along with a formidable sexual instinct. This instinct for protection… Read more »
Heh, this is a chapter in Franco’s book that is similar to the latest Julien fast rate meetup stuff. Fast rate PNP technique The concept of “teasing” or “flirting” means “causing sudden feelings in her”, “moving her emotionally”, “exciting her”, “shaking her”, in practice it means “sexually possessing her mind.” The majority of men believe that to possess a woman means bringing her to bed and having sex with her. To possess a woman means, first of all, “shaking her mind and her feelings, to bring to bed the mind before the body.” Sex is a natural consequence of the… Read more »
Cool! I was one of the ones who was skeptical about dividing these out, as my personal experience was that I was needlessly distrustful of PUA before seeing how it actually worked demonstrated in the main comment stream. But I can see the advantages to this system too. For example, I wanted to break down that FR IAS just posted but had like 5 other things in the thread to reply to as well and so may well have not gotten to it. We’ll see how it goes. @IAS This set opens pretty strong, you just don’t seem to know… Read more »
Heh, bad form fucking up the italics tags so badly on my first post in this section….
@forge Cool! I was one of the ones who was skeptical about dividing these out, as my personal experience was that I was needlessly distrustful of PUA before seeing how it actually worked demonstrated in the main comment stream. But I can see the advantages to this system too. For example, I wanted to break down that FR IAS just posted but had like 5 other things in the thread to reply to as well and so may well have not gotten to it. sure, I originally was for a FR section months ago, and it still may work out,… Read more »
@forge @yareally @culum Not much new. Girl I # closed at work… https://therationalmale.com/2016/11/26/the-unbearable-rightness-of-being-female/comment-page-8/#comment-181189 (its after the video) … exchanged the item when I was at work, but didn’t come to see me then. She texted me later to say she got a new number and to text her. I waited a day, and texted her “so what was that about?” she texted back “sorry, about what?” and I called her to get her on voice. She didn’t answer. So I texted her again “lol about the number.” and she said “lol, oh yeah the number.” and that was it. Was… Read more »
@IAS “I warm up by … ” (pauragraph) Probably a good idea to prepare a stack of routines for this situation (since there are often bored bartenders around), see MM. “Also I imagine it is pretty hard to pull in that context as girls don’t want to get pulled in front of coworkers” Get group approval and try and get the number/make plans secretly. Also logistics of what the group is doing is v important (ask them). Note HB-V’s temporary situation. “I also kind of wonder in hindsight if the best play there was to get HB-A and HB-P dancing,… Read more »
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Ok.Just to be clear, I got this monotone, non emotional vibe. Something that is a cutltivated thiing bordering on autism with me. It is a cultivated thing for me. I like the hell out of my rationalism. You guys have seen it and have been frightened by it. Now that we have a field report section, I’m going to call IAS out for something. A big something. And may the PUA gods forgive me, and may IAS himself forgive me for divulging somerthing he has never. Ok, Sigh. IAS has autism spectrum disorder. And as thus he is limited in… Read more »
“Is anyone interested in having the option for Markdown code in the comments? (Reddit style formatting)”
I’m not so non-ignorant as to know what the question is.
Can you rephrase it?
I don’t know what Markdown code is and reddit fomatting scares the shit out of me.
@SJF, if you’re not familiar with how Reddit does its formatting you probably wont care, but it’s a more simplified way of formatting text (bolding, italics, block quotes, etc.)
Rock and Intergration
Like I said, we’ll see, but I’d be keeping an eye out for another place to do FRs.
Stop putting up buffers for your buffers… There are entire sites solely for PUA with zero other content. Join Sedfast and post there to your hearts content
But you will not get the sweet sugar coating all the time…
“When picking a girl up, is it better to just grab their waist and twirl (so they are mostly vertical), or like I’ve seen Owen in some vids grabbing them up behind knees and back so they are somewhat horizontal? two considerations. First, the vertical way has full frontal body contact, so you usually need to do this with a girl who’s used to touching you. The horizontal way you can open with. Second, the horizontal way isn’t good for a crowded area, you need some space for it. You can do this to girls you just meet easily… just… Read more »
Rollo – need a male lion chasing something for this post…
My fingers do get tired trying to format shit. But never to the extent that it Trumped my enthusiasm. This shit is great.
I think Roused gave you some WordPress suggestions for plug-in-formatting. Count my vote as I don’t know. (Ignorant)
I find markdown to be a lot more intuitive than HTML.
If you decide to use it for this thread, it’d probably be a good idea to put a link in the OP to an article about how to use it.
Heh, fair enough. I have seen that done. Suppose the trick there is to see if she reciprocates with her body language when you open your arms. But that’s a great compliance hoop.
I should try that one. Don’t know why I haven’t.
Yeah do it on any girl who will hug you… especially if you have said nothing to her at all, just open your arms and see what she does…
Regardless of whether you’re crossing a line here, it makes it difficult for a guy to confide in you if he’s not sure whether or not you’ll decide it’s for his better good to divulge it.
Ya I think it’s likely to be a great exercise for newer guys (who have at least passable subcoms). You can just hug, spin, and bail if you don’t have the chops to stay in-set, and you get reference experiences for how much you can do with a girl at hello.
Hunting vs being hunted
Meant this one Blast
As a reference…
To make some replies: @SJF is correct, I am a bit spergy (but apparently Owen from RSD is even more so than me, so it is a question of learning). Also married and long distance. @N1: because of personal circumstances, I’m not wanting to F close at this stage (I didn’t even have condoms on me on this trip), but I really want to know how to do it or lacking that, be able to open strangers and DHV etc. Other than not actually wanting to F, all the girls of the 3-set were hot enough for me. I found… Read more »
For the OMG’S who don’t want to close; doesn’t matter. Don’t close if that is your choice but leans to flirt and Game strange chicks. It will pay off in more ways then I can countil. Lestwise with my boots on. If nothing else it will get you better service with women. At a restaurant or at the post office. Won’t matter
#2 & much more important, your status among men will improve.
Ain’t no place perfect. Ain’t no man right all the time.
Don’t know why we have to harp on each other so. It’s some dogmatic shit. Like madonna/whore complex applied to other men.
Meant that for the main comment thread, sorry.
@SFCTon: ” For the OMG’S who don’t want to close; doesn’t matter. Don’t close if that is your choice but leans to flirt and Game strange chicks.” Word. Friday: Sat with wife at bar. Next to me HB 7+ 24 y.o. with dude friend, both on phones. Me: “Hi. I’m here to make your night more interesting.” and ask her who’s the dude friend. (After work drinks) To her: “Oh, nice Warby-Parkers, yeah…your glasses.” (Thanks) “There called trouble glasses for a reason, ya know.” and tease her about hipness being so 2015. I pry where she’s from (Connecticut) and back… Read more »
And that was the last I heard of me straying. Just like that. Ain’t it weird?
Yeah they just love to wind themselves up… ^_^_^ emotional spikes…. Guys like ———- .
and so cats are not dogs…
Been procrastinating on typing up a FR for Friday night (let alone Saturday and Thursday night) – I have a lot I want to write down and I let it overwhelm me instead of just sitting down and writing something. So I’m committing to writing down at least the first major interaction tonight. In the meantime, I had a thought this morning that I wanted commit to a post. There were a few women I hesitated to open this morning. The social energy I’d built up all last week kinda died off (probably from just doing chores and watching TV… Read more »
Try sticking your tongue out at them when you catch her eyes. Baits the same response (wtih faux indignation) or smiles from them and works well in public transport or noisy environment in general and you can do it even if you cant close the distance immediately.
I’ll experiment with that. Thanks
@YaReally, Scray, et all FR Clubby Goodness THE WARM-UP CLUB Started the night at a club I’d never been to before. As it turned out, I got there right as they were opening, so I ended up getting in for free. It was pretty dead when I got there, but I immediately started chatting up one of the bouncers and got a good 5-10 min convo. I chatted up a lot of people to get warmed up, then opened the first two set of girls that walked in the door. I wasn’t particularly attracted but figured it would be good… Read more »
Sorry for the double post, I wanted to make sure I have something on record that I can refer to later. I have a buddy who thinks RSD is complete crap and insists that he didn’t know anyone who gets laid using RSD, and yells at anyone who posts that they’re trying to learn using RSD. So I’m experimenting with RSD without letting him know, and posting my field reports on our lair, but editing out all references to RSD and their vocabulary. My theory is, that as long as he doesn’t know I’m trying out RSD techniques, he’s going… Read more »
Pellaeon Some thoughts for you… Overall – did you have attraction? Seems not strong A2. Also where you being authentic? Seems like some permission seeking mentality. And overgaming, a little too much focus on winning frame battles. I ejected though when a couple of my wings showed up– I panicked that it was going TOO well and I wanted to focus my attention on hotter girls. Did you bring your wings in and then look to merge? Her and target looked taken aback, so much so that part of me wonders if it was supposed to be an invite. How… Read more »
In the field
He he That Kangaroo video… Mid 30’s 7.5 opened me last night… I was at the bar with a friend, catching up. There was an empty seat next to us… she came up behind me and scratched her nails up and down my back a few times with both hands… to ask if anyone was sitting there… I told her no and she can keep scratching my back if she sits there and went back to talking to my buddy. After he left about 15 minutes later, I turned to her and we chatted. I asked her about seeing this… Read more »
@Sentient Thanks for the feedback, it seems pretty solid to me. Did you bring your wings in and then look to merge? I did bring in my wings, but they bailed on the interaction.The one guy seemed to be a beginner (first time meeting him) and the other guy is not very good – I’ve gone out with him a few times and I’ve yet to see him hold his own in set. As for merging, they were the only non-staff girls in the club at that point (except for one woman who came in with a guy). The birthday… Read more »
You really think they would have followed? Well they wanted to go upstairs based on their comment… just a matter of leading… movement is momentum. If they didn’t follow, OK, you go up like you said… and when they got up there you can now introduce them to your new friend the manager of the place… and if it is a birthday girl… well maybe he does something etc…
What kind of bet would you have made? Buy you a drink is easy, sets the pace for going with them someplace. etc.
So on the bet…
She says Rock Paper Scissor = her frame
You agreeing but with a bet she buys you a drink = moves back to your frame…
Improv…. say yes to everything and then add something… also agree and amplify…
@pellaeon Props going out there again. As it turned out, I got there right as they were opening, so I ended up getting in for free. See what happens when you get there early? See what me and yareally were saying? I ejected though when a couple of my wings showed up– I panicked that it was going TOO well and I wanted to focus my attention on hotter girls. Why specifically did you panic? Having a couple of girls on your arm is THE way to approach hotties…show’s you’re already preselected. If they are giggling and groping you and… Read more »
@Hank Why specifically did you panic? Specifically, I don’t fully know. I have some surface level ideas that come to mind, but I think they’re just rationalisations. I think ultimately it’s ego protection of some kind, and probably linked to why I didn’t forget about trying to meet up with my wings and stick with the two set on the street. Statements, not questions. Make it a habit not to ask about thing, but just to state what you think they are doing. Thanks, I’ll practice this consciously next time. This is common. I’ve had spanish guys do this, they… Read more »
Context open source sexuality in 2016
Rollo finds compelling scenes for his posts, but I can’t get past this one with the female lion chasing down the male (made that up) prey animal. This is a formal request for a male lion closing the deal. This documentary: “Eternal Enemies, Lions and Hyenas” by National Geographic, is the kind of thing that I submit aligns more with the spirit of TRM. Short version – hyenas are matriarchal and feminists of the animal kingdom. Lions are patriarchal and will ignore the hyena efforts to dominate up to a point. When the point is reached, the male lion reminds… Read more »
here you go Lost Patrol… we are animals as well…
She held up pretty well for awhile. Combination of head gear, 22 oz. gloves, slightly pudgy opponent not in top fighting trim?
My favorite in this category, which I can’t find (I think Rollo once posted it on another forum), is male vs. female pugil sticks. It is over faster than lion on hyena. But you know, “equality”, and gender is a social construct, etc.
Found it. Ah, good old pugil sticks. Just one more reason for men to be confident when dealing with women.
Well I’ll be dipped in shit… a marine can beat up a girl.
Color me surprised
Smartass! Maybe only if the girl is a marine too. He might not do as well against some of those butch 200lbs females I’ve seen wearing navy uniforms. Stretch cloth.
@culum @forge @pellaeon @IAS @scray @yareally –FR– Had a decent pickup of a girl who was at work, but for one small little thing and had to abort lol. So waiter is there. She’s constantly checking in on me, and others. I hear her ask another employee about how to do something. I figure she’s new. Next time she stops by “When’d you start here?” “Last week. Do I seem that new?” and she got very self conscious. I told her how people who’ve been at work for a while get more chill. They don’t check in all the time… Read more »
@Pellaeon – Great field report, you’re doing really well. Just a matter of keeping it up and continuing the interactions – and posting here regularly for FRs. Sentient’s given you some great advice – you’ll note that however much he and Scray/YaReally et al argue on broader issues, they pretty much say the same thing in terms of actionable Game advice – there’s a reason for that. @hank – not much to add except again it’s great to see the progress in the last few months – see how consistently you are sexualizing and getting attraction now and moving towards… Read more »
@Pellaeon: with the disclaimer that I’m about your level or probably below, I think you did well on your FRs. Keep improving. @Hank: about the underage thing, I have the same issue. Not too long ago, I opened a 2-set at an airport and it turns out they are school girls (they were away from the group so I didn’t realize). Fortunately my open had lots of plausible deniability (asking for directions) and I don’t think I got visibly embarrassed. I ended up chatting up the teacher for a while asking her for directions instead. In the case of your… Read more »
Age of Consent is actually 16 in more places than 18…
That is the FI pushing on you…
In any event… play to win not to play… Logistics always up front… In addition to things like “who you here with”, “Where do you live”, “Do you have a roomate” etc. you can add “how old are you”…
and no matter what she answer you can play off of that with a neg or disqualify/qualify.
Backward plan FROM the bang (Sex location, logistics, birth control etc.) else you are just walking about…
>Looks at ‘Age of consent in Europe’ map
God damn it.
FR oldest son 16y.o. Friday he’s at hockey game, flirts with a few girls. The physics bumping girl too. He says “Anytime you’d like to bump into me, feel free.” Was upbeat Friday night. He’s been lurking some at SoSuave and at SoSauve teen. Saturday morning. He’s still pumped and I prompt him to call some of the girls he talked to the night before. He tells me his opening, sounds good, to the phone. The mother answers and he immediately tells her his intention, end up qualifying to the mom, entering the mom’s frame and flames out big time.… Read more »
Oh, he watched this before he left to get happy and laugh, predate:
Married and romance
Unilateral Shit Storm Laughing, kissing deeply over the kitchen island over a beer, see a bruise on her shoulder, I make a light-hearted joke I branded her during sex. She was receptive… At dinner, I joke re: daughter to the effect vagina=disability. Wife’s offended, ramps up to nuclear at the table in front of the kids, all the boys are assholes, I’m an asshole, older boys are sitting there watching TRM play out in front of them. One stands up when she starts to get physical. She backs off and insults rain down. I’m chill, let her dump, tell her… Read more »
After the vagina joke she says: “Well this vagina’s closed for a long time!”
My boys burst out laughing at the dinner table. That really stoked the fire. Little stinkers.
Tear it up, fellas. In-f’ing-credible.
Nothing to tear up hoss… The Cap weathered the shit storm in amused frame. At no time did he enter hers… and she came right around. It is OK to let the pressure blow the relief valve off while you drink beer…
Also note we are just a couple days off Full Moon… check her cycle… LOL
One day off of the full moon…
@EhIntellect Laughing, kissing deeply over the kitchen island over a beer, see a bruise on her shoulder, I make a light-hearted joke I branded her during sex. She was receptive… this is good… but given the rest of this FR, i’m betting there is something you are missing here…lol… and it’s likely some type of beta provider/orbiter behavior… did you buy her something expensive just bc she’s SO AWESOME?… or just bc you ‘love her sooo much’?… (and after reading the rest of the FR, i think i know…lol… did she bitch about having to get up early to take… Read more »
A lot to digest. Thanks. This I can work with. If I left early on all this would have been moot. True, True. I told her to knock it off at the table, but she was baiting me to get physical. She’s pleading with me now to come home, and is on an apology tour, with me, the kids. I’m not taking the bait. Trying to stem my losses, if you will. The parents. Fuck, I just took ’em. Then went to work after in their car. What a missed opportunity. “what you really SHOULD do is give one of… Read more »
@EhIntellect I told her to knock it off at the table, but she was baiting me to get physical. sooo, you saw this building up in real time… aaand… addressed it by letting it continue with your blessing…lol… are you ‘afraid of her’?… serious question… (not physically… you could probably take her…lol… but emotionally (and not just ‘ignore as silly’…) can you actually stare her down in a dominant primate way?… She’s pleading with me now to come home, and is on an apology tour, with me, the kids. I’m not taking the bait. Trying to stem my losses, if… Read more »
The parents. Fuck, I just took ’em.
without her even having to ask?…’extra shiny’ it is…lol
can you see how you are still in her frame here?…
EhIntellect: At dinner, I joke re: daughter to the effect vagina=disability. Habd: this must have been incongruent with how she was seeing you in this moment (ie that you were not alpha enough to ‘get away with’ this statement)… but hard to analyze without more detail… EhIntellect: Wife’s offended, ramps up to nuclear at the table in front of the kids, all the boys are assholes, I’m an asshole, older boys are sitting there watching TRM play out in front of them. You gotta be careful about using masculine logic in front of the women at the dinner table. You… Read more »
Thank you much. I ruminated at the bar before going home last night. She was texting me a couple times, supplicating, enticing me. Apologizing for her bad behaviors. That’s a start. Full disclosure: I had dominant sex (with her) hours before and it’s been qd/bid for months now. No humblebrag, just trying to get the variables out there. When I arrived she was full seductress. Boozy cocktail, salmon (!) nightie and robe. I take a few sips, she offers food, I grab her an kiss her. She goes down on me in the kitchen again. To the bedroom for more… Read more »
@EhIntellect You are doing a lot right. Good job. The good: She has desire to fuck you is not indifferent to you. You are sending her on an emotional roller coaster. (The bad emotions are not a bad thing in general) You have desire to master red pill awareness and game and think its fun (these components are key ingredients to eventual mastery of learned game). Despite what anyone else may say, your religious affiliations are a plus (to some extent they are driving background fear and dread of not being out of compliance with the community). The bad: Too… Read more »
@EhIntellect Thank you much. I ruminated at the bar before going home last night. She was texting me a couple times, supplicating, enticing me. Apologizing for her bad behaviors. That’s a start. might be better if you looked at it like it’s the ‘end’ of the guard dog situ spin-up cycle (bc that’s what it is…lol)… where she has to ‘make nice’ so her hindbrain can try to solidify her position/frame control… (and keep her BB gravy train…lol) and the next time the ‘violence cycle’ might ‘go hot’… so make sure you are not in the kitchen (where all the… Read more »
…. DAMN GOOD.
Having A Bad Day and Sentient Is the right forum now to post this? Not the main post comments? Married guy here with kids, mid 30s, working on turning his marriage around and I post from time to time and you guys helped before. Had an interesting experience last night even though it ended badly and input is appreciated. Watching TV with wife with her cuddled up to me. Wife having several glasses of wine. I comment about how I can tell from just her voice she is getting a little tipsy. No reply but she knows I don’t like… Read more »
I thought this might be helpful based on your field report:
Having A Bad Day and Sentient One more thing I just remembered. I don’t know how relevant it is, but about a year or so ago I gave my wife my old laptop and she stumbled on a bunch of old pickup material I downloaded years ago. Nothing about my extramarital Tinder exploits and nothing about Red Pill or MMSL stuff (which are more recent) but just a random set of PDFs of all kinds of pickup material from all kinds of places most of which I never even got around to reading and don’t know what it contains. Nothing’s… Read more »
After my comment albeit before reading SJF Mrs. comes to kitchen. I can tell she’s nervous. Kids are here too. I walk to her and bring her ro laundry room away from kids. Tell her to hug me. She does but is tense. I stare in her eyes. “Honey, couples having this much sex are doing something very, very right. We’re changing and change can be uncomfortable. A metamorphosis. Our marriage is getting better, we know this. It may not feel so at times.” I hug her close and she slumps into me. “Now lets have breakfast.” Kids gone, read… Read more »
FR Number closed a latina that is a good reference, since I didn’t like her that much and had somewhere to go later. So I was very outcome independent. Also did very well on tonality, not just in deep voice but in speaking very slowly and…this part is hard to describe, but almost like having a bedroom voice. It was very suggestive, but it worked on the girl and as with all tonality stuff it doesn’t really ping too heavily as hitting on her so you can use it easy in daygame. “Were you at the costume party?” open. She’s… Read more »
Many thanks to HABD.
Later in day at thrift store, in the middle of the store, with people everywhere, she walks up to me and we make out, she even grabs my groin.
It’s a life.